Wrc+

[306 Cosworth]

Looks quite good for such a cheap price.

Although if you live in the UK and France you can't subscribe. What a load of sh1t

https://plus.wrc.com

[Andre Oliveira]

Portugal works. Works fine on my iPhone browser (double onboard inclued)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks quite good for such a cheap price.

Although if you live in the UK you can't subscribe. What a load of sh1t



Presume this is because BT Sport already has the rights for the live stages.

Even more glad I got it free with BT Broadband now... :)

[Andre Oliveira]

Sporttv (Portugal) have it too and works here.

[EightGear]

This looks very promising, will check it out. Good job.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn HTC One met Tapatalk

[makinen_fan]

Thats a pity that it does not work here (UK). I will have to stick to the low quality streams :(

Btw Andre, are the WRC highlights in Portugal in free TV. Maybe the problem in UK is with ITV4 and not BT sport

[Andre Oliveira]

RTP (public broadcast) show only rally Portugal but very later on the night, firstbable on premium channel Sporttv (5 channels with all football (- premier league), WRC, F1, NASCAR, Moto GP, WRX, ....).

Btw, if you choose another country on WRC+ can see?

[Andre Oliveira]

On my PC

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[miniwintz]

It looks very promising. It's a shame that it isn't available in France and in UK (WRC's two biggest fanbases...).

Apparently you can work around the restriction by using Hola unblocker extension on Chrome. Best solution though is to have access to a secure/fast VPN in a foreign country (i.e. Germany). I'll probably set one up if anyone's interested.

[Andre Oliveira]

On my iPhone

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[Andre Oliveira]

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[Andre Oliveira]

HD on the iPhone :)

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[Andre Oliveira]

It looks very promising. It's a shame that it isn't available in France and in UK (WRC's two biggest fanbases...).

Apparently you can work around the restriction by using Hola unblocker extension on Chrome. Best solution though is to have access to a secure/fast VPN in a foreign country (i.e. Germany). I'll probably set one up if anyone's interested.

And if you select another country? He continues assuming the localization?

[miniwintz]

He assumes localization based on the client IP address, and you get a message telling you it isn't available. You can't go any further. With Hola unblocker it works (and you select whatever country you want on the registration page) but onboards do not work.
I am setting up a VPN server, hopefully all the features will work then.

[miniwintz]

Works like a charm with a German VPN, and the service is truly great. I did not expect such thorough features, the onboard "app" is a treat!
I'm eager to see the "live" part, hopefully we'll see what it is about tomorrow.

[makinen_fan]

What VPN server are you using?
Is it Private/free/paid?

[JTGANG]

i registered too....strange that works in Greece and not in Uk and France....Hope it is good

[miniwintz]

What VPN server are you using?
Is it Private/free/paid?

I signed up for a VPS at host1plus ($3 USD per month) and installed openvpn on it. Do you want an access?

[litifeta]

Has anyone joined this? Is it legitimate?

https://plus.wrc.com/index.php

[KiwiWRCfan]

Has anyone joined this? Is it legitimate?

https://plus.wrc.com/index.php

Yes I have joined and know at least a dozen others who have joined. I have already watched Rally Finland preview show in HD several hours before it screened on TV in New Zealand, I have also watched one of the live TV stages from Poland which I had not seen before. Very impressed so far. Really looking forward to choosing which drivers I want to ride on board with.

IMHO this is an absolutely huge positive step forward for WRC and puts us into a new level and era of following the sport we love. I can understand the frustration of those who cannot currently access this service, it will be how I felt when power stages and some other stages were being televised live in many countries but not my own country. I still cannot get live televised stages.

I needed to remind myself it was part of the sports media coverage growing globally. Eventually the growth in services will benefit all fans including those currently feeling aggrieved. The future of digital media coverage is arriving, I look forward to embracing it and seeing how it develops over time.

[rage82]

I'm also already a proud member of WRC+ :)). Looks decent for the moment with all that stuff and the live stages in hd quality. The live maps feature is also great in my opinion as you can follow the drivers through the stages and you can see their speed and if anyone has stopped immediately. It's a great start for WRC promotion let's hope we can see more live stages now on.

[latek]

Will live onboards be available on this platform? Can't find any info on that. It's clear that live stages will be there to watch as well as onboards, but nothing whether or not the onboards will be live...

[miniwintz]

No live onboards at the moment. Apparently they seem to have the onboards released on a tight schedule though.

[KKS]

What really new bring WRC+ at this moment?
Live map with driver "dots"?

No live onboards
No live extra coverage
jep?

[FUNKYXXXXX]

Any impressions so far ?????

Is it realistic ????????

[Andre Oliveira]

On Rally Germany WRC+ will start working on iOS and Android app :)

[Micke_VOC]

I need to get me a VPN too, countries that WRC+ are restricted..

"Due to legal obligations we are not allowed to offer WRC+ in the following countries: UK, Ireland, France, Sweden, Norway, Denmark."1

[Munkvy]

I have signed up, haven't really used it yet. I wanted to install it on my iphone, but apparently that isn't available yet? Ipad apparently is, but haven't had time to install it yet.

[Andre Oliveira]

WRC Official app will have WRC+ section, but not now. Only works on Safari browser.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Do the live stages shown through WRC+ have the TV commentary or pure sound / co-driver ?

Would love it if it was the latter and you could hear the cars rather then a bloody commentator !

[hari]

Do the live stages shown through WRC+ have the TV commentary or pure sound / co-driver ?

Would love it if it was the latter and you could hear the cars rather then a bloody commentator !

The live stage has the tv commentatory.
SS4 was a good show.

Its a big step forward.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Live IN CAR? on Live stages?

[hari]

Live IN CAR? on Live stages?

Yes. In car, stationary cameras and helicopter footage.

[litifeta]

how long does it take them to set up your account so you can access the rallies?

[Andre Oliveira]

You can use it after payment.

[hari]

how long does it take them to set up your account so you can access the rallies?
The account was available immediately

[GigiGalliNo1]

Is 4 pound 99 really expensive for you european/brits? It's peanuts!

[wwbroe]

I became a member of WRC+ also just now, and i must say that it looks quite promising. Alltough there are no on-boards for the moment there are some other features that are quite good, for example live maps, you have the time for each driver faster than they appear on any other application. I also had a look into highlights and looks good also. Waiting for live stages to see how that appears. But for this action i am willing easily to pay 5 Euro's a month.

[miniwintz]

I need to get me a VPN too, countries that WRC+ are restricted..

"Due to legal obligations we are not allowed to offer WRC+ in the following countries: UK, Ireland, France, Sweden, Norway, Denmark."1

If I am not mistaken, VPN is only required for subscription, afterwards you don't need it anymore. Send me a PM if you want access to my german vpn.

[6789]

Signed up for the WRC+, I have enjoyed it so far. The replays of the live stages means that I can watch them without having to wake up at 3am in the morning.

Has anyone heard how many member they have in 2 days?

[miniwintz]

A bit too many it seems, as the site is very much slowing down...

[Andre Oliveira]

Really enjoy this :) Kubica and Neuville at service park. Prokop in the hoods :)

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[stefanvv]

The service is great, but seems there is work to do:

[litifeta]

onboard section is annoying. wish you could have a full page of just one driver without the maps

[miniwintz]

agreed. In the feature list it is written that you can watch either one or two onboard simultaneously but actually it does not seem possible to only have one. Only solution is to put both POV and cockpit cameras for the same driver.

Anyway I think the onboard section is good, it is very interesting to be able to compare two drivers like that. I watched Mikko vs Meeke on SS5 and it is impressive how being a few tenths too late on the gas on corner exit can cost 1 - 1.5 secs at the end of the following straight... Also you can very much notice the differences in driving style -- I wouldn't be surprised if Meeke would go off the road at some point in the rally, as he seems to unsettle the car a lot with very brutal driving style, sometimes landing his jumps with one wheel out the track already.

[olavr]

onboard section is annoying. wish you could have a full page of just one driver without the maps
Dobbel click on video to get full page. Missing codrivers voice, but finally a cool product from wrc.

[litifeta]

Got this back from WRC Plus regarding seeing only one driver:

Dear WRC+ user,

thank you for your inquiry.

This feature is currently not availible. We believe that it is a good idea though, therefore we have forwarded your suggestions to the product developement departement.

Best regards,
your WRC+ team

[EightGear]

Got this back from WRC Plus regarding seeing only one driver:

Dear WRC+ user,

thank you for your inquiry.

This feature is currently not availible. We believe that it is a good idea though, therefore we have forwarded your suggestions to the product developement departement.

Best regards,
your WRC+ team
You can get a full screen of just 1 driver by double clicking on the onboard images of the driver you want to be onboard with.

[stefanvv]

We believe that it is a good idea though

Obviously, isn't it already advertised on launch?

[miniwintz]

Anyone else got an error when launching live video?

[miniwintz]

OK problem with my VPN, all sorted out now.

[Munkvy]

Well in NZ it was a little late on a Sunday night, but I stayed up and watched wrc+ for the live powerstage. I have to say I thought it was quite good, definitely worth the small cost, rather than having to sign up for a TV channel I wouldn't watch anything else on, or having to worry about something like darts or tennis running over time and delaying the WRC!

I liked the added touch of having Lappi commentating, although he was quiet and didn't say much, when he did he often made some worthwhile additions.

[Evian]

If I am not mistaken, VPN is only required for subscription, afterwards you don't need it anymore. Send me a PM if you want access to my german vpn.

Are you sure about that? I live in Sweden so no access to WRC+, but it would be perfect if I can create an account via VPN and then use it normally on my phone without a VPN.

[Juha_Koo]

Very positively surprised by WRC+!

I subscribed during Rally Finland, but I had the time to familiarize myself with it after the rally. The onboard section is pretty much the thing I've been waiting for the last ten years... Okay, it could still be developed more (e.g. the map section could be selected on/off, more selections in quality, and from the "hardware-side" camera angles and volume levels could be more varied). Single driver viewing is okay, and the excellent feature is that 90% of the onboards have intercom audio in them. For me, onboard without pacenotes is pretty much like Finland without jumps. It also seems that the uploading of the onboard videos is super-fast, they are available quite rapidly after the leg, something a bit like what we saw around 2007-2008 in wrc.com with some shorter onboards (often crashes, spins, short segment of the leader on some stage).

It can also be used to bring whole new level of excitement to onboards – just think of this: lets say that you are a hardcore fan and maybe have some other duties during a rally day, so you decide to (or must) be in complete news/results blackout. Then in the evening, you can jump onboard your preferred driver and have a blast through the stages with them without knowing at all what is going to happen! It's like being in the car with them, I'm guessing moments/close calls might rise your own heartbeat too :) (Though, the problem with this is that names are listed in stage result order (I believe), so you have to ask someone else to select the onboard for you if possible.)

Based on Finland videos, daily highlights are good. They aren't anything special but IMHO provide a good overview of the events and that's what I'm looking for. I would appreciate some more in-depth features inserts, e.g. some technical, event organisation, timing, etc. explanations. Also maybe some more driver interviews could be in place, stage-ends are good but they are often very short.

Waiting to check out the map service during Rally Germany...

[SubaruNorway]

How many stages are uploaded and how long?

They managed to fuck it up in Norway so now we have no live coverage or WRC +
Guess it's cos SVT broadcasted Sweden live and some people got the channel in Norway.
Could always cheat with proxy server though.

[wildboar]

And another question: can you only follow the WRC drivers or any driver, also of the other classes?

[EightGear]

All stages are uploaded and you van only choose the WRC drivers so no support classes.

[N.O.T]

Are the onboards available at WRC+ in HD/60fps format or it is the crappy versions ? also will previous rallies be available ? for example if i subscribe for GB will i be able to see the ones from the previous rallies ?

[SubaruNorway]

All stages are uploaded and you van only choose the WRC drivers so no support classes.

All stages with all drivers?

[EightGear]

All stages with all drivers?
Pretty much yeah. At the time it was launched the onboards from Poland were available so I think everything will still be available from Poland onwards during the season.

The quality isn't better than WRC's onboards from YouTube unfortunately.

[N.O.T]

is the frame rate and quilty like this one for example or worse ? and can you download them ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFU3CP73xWE&list=PLODyu6T9_emzh4-u2OMZbi8m_p5TLxhYC

[EightGear]

is the frame rate and quilty like this one for example or worse ? and can you download them ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFU3CP73xWE&list=PLODyu6T9_emzh4-u2OMZbi8m_p5TLxhYC
No I'm afraid to say it's worse than on that video (which is of surprisingly good quality TBH). I don't think you can download them, at least I haven't found an option to do so.

[N.O.T]

Too much money at steak with the F1 team to leave the promotion of the sport to proper people...

[Muchonen]

Well, I subscribed yesterday and i have to say that this platform has huge potential. Despite some little problems ( not able to see only one driver at a time (yeah, doubleclick on onboard - but that is not what we were hoping for, right?), for me fullscreen button not working at all in onboard section) its amazing and worth every penny (or cent). Also like possibility to use same acc on 2 devices at the same time. Cant wait for live stages from Germany.


Edit: Quick update. Fullscreen mode finally started working.

I was just thinking that it would be incredible great to see some kind of live "telemetry". Just something like in F1 transmission, showing us usage of gas and brake pedals, what will help us seeing where is the "difference" between two drivers.

[KiwiWRCfan]

the half hour preview "magazine" show for ADAC Rallye Deutschland is already available on plus.WRC.com in the highlights section. I have been able to watch it 5 days before it airs on TV here in NZ.

[Evian]

A little tip, in the new WRC-app for Android you could pay in a restricted country without any problems... But I did create the account via an VPN a few days ago so there might still be some check there.

When using my login on the PC atleast the incar-section and review-section works just fine! But on my Nexus 5 no video playback works, just black...

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

[makinen_fan]

So if I am able to do an account via a VPN, can I use it on the PC normally without the need for VPN later on?

[Evian]

That worked for me, when I logged in with my VPN-created account this morning I could pay for the subscription.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/20/abu4u5ud.jpg

But try to do everything in the app, that might work aswell.

Edit: And atleast for now everything seems to work on my PC. But no video on my mobile. Bug or limitations because I'm in Sweden?

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

[miniwintz]

I think I was mistaken, VPN seems to be required at all times for everything to work properly.

5 eur + 3 eur vpn every month is too much for me, I am going to cancel my subscription. I was positively surprised at first but in the end the service is rather poor compared to the price asked. I'll stick to the radio and the one-off onboards on youtube...

@Evian, give me some time, I give you access to my VPN which will still be good for germany

[Franky]

Live maps is only WRCars?

[Eli]

Live maps is only WRCars?

apperantly

[Evian]

I'm running WRC+ today from Sweden without VPN.

Status on the features:
Live stages - Will have to wait for SS18 on sunday to try it out
Live Maps - Working fine, using it all day on my second screen to keep track off the action
Onboard Action - Working fine, just watched SS1
Full highlight - Working fine

So no problems for me.

But still no video via the app on Android. But the videos on regular wrc.com-section doesn't work either so i think the problem is because they are using some kind om Flash-based codec.

@miniwintz, thanks for your help but right now I don't have to use any VPN. Might change in the future however...

[EightGear]

It's now possible to choose 'Single driver mode' at the onboards section. :)

[arko5]

Enybody has a problem with wrc+? The site stopped refreshing...

[Eli]

Enybody has a problem with wrc+? The site stopped refreshing...
yep and the maps stopped working properly

[GigiGalliNo1]

Some reason any driver videos don't load for me... nothing... it just sits there "loading"

Re-Live works and Live stages work fine.

Actually, how many stages are live this weekend in Germany? One on Sunday and thats it?

[stefanvv]

Some reason any driver videos don't load for me... nothing... it just sits there "loading"

Re-Live works and Live stages work fine.

Actually, how many stages are live this weekend in Germany? One on Sunday and thats it?

Same for me unfortunatelly, but my i-net connection is not blistering speed, probably that's the reason. Yes for the live stage, only PS tomorrow.

[EightGear]

Anybody else who can't play day 2 highlights? The video won't load for me.

[stefanvv]

I just watched it

[Eli]

Anybody else who can't play day 2 highlights? The video won't load for me.

yes it's stuck on the 0:05 for some reason...

[miniwintz]

How's the live stream for you? Mine seems to be frozen on Hyundai service park

edit: all good now :)

[Co-driven]

Is it possible to have split times on Wrc+?
I just couldn't find them...

[Eli]

for some reason it won't show me the magazine preview of Rally Australia and instead there is Rally Argentina.

[wildboar]

Not sure, if anybody has already mentioned it here: wrc+ now has all the hightlights shows and even live stages from all rallies of the season, thus all the way back to Monte Carlo (with SS13 as live stage)

[dupanton]

Now just the previous season untill 1973 and we can be totally happy :D

[dupanton]

Anyone else having troubles logging on?

[wwbroe]

Anyone else having troubles logging on?
Well, i could login but had problems starting up live maps or anything else. I reopened WRC+ from WRC.com website and then the problem was solved. You can also try to delete history and then try again.

[dupanton]

Well, i could login but had problems starting up live maps or anything else. I reopened WRC+ from WRC.com website and then the problem was solved. You can also try to delete history and then try again.

Still the same problem: Invalid Username and/or Password.

[wwbroe]

Still the same problem: Invalid Username and/or Password.

That's another problem, you can send an inquiry to their support team, i got an answer back quite quickly.

[Co-driven]

I'm having problems to access any video (highlights, live stages or onboards) on a web browser on my desktop. It keeps asking to log in again and again.

Only on the Android app I'm able to see those right now.

[stefanvv]

I'm having problems to access any video (highlights, live stages or onboards) on a web browser on my desktop. It keeps asking to log in again and again.

Only on the Android app I'm able to see those right now.

Go to the main page and login from there. I was having the same problem when logged in from any other page.

[nafpaktos]

I just subscribed to wrcplus.i did it because i want to see some onboard.SURPRISE the videos cant be loaded!bullshit product.

[rallyfiend]

I just subscribed to wrcplus.i did it because i want to see some onboard.SURPRISE the videos cant be loaded!bullshit product.

It's working fine for me.

[nafpaktos]

The onboards,work only on <comparison mode>,not on <single driver mode>.when you pay you demand a high quality product.this is a beta product,shame on them.

[EightGear]

I have just sent them an email about the onboard camera position. I find the onboards to be less and less interesting with the current position.

[stefanvv]

I have just sent them an email about the onboard camera position. I find the onboards to be less and less interesting with the current position.

Great. Imagine the onboards from GB with muddy windscreen:P

[EightGear]

I've got a response, nothing special:

Thanks for your request and your interest in WRC+.

We are very much interested in steadily improving our product. However, the suggested feature is not planned yet. We will forward your suggestion to the responsible persons and discuss your suggestion internally.

Best regards,
your WRC+ Team

[N.O.T]

I've got a response, nothing special:

Thanks for your request and your interest in WRC+.

We are very much interested in steadily improving our product. However, the suggested feature is not planned yet. We will forward your suggestion to the responsible persons and discuss your suggestion internally.

Best regards,
your WRC+ Team

automated responses... i love them.... i have a nice collection.

[nafpaktos]

+100000 eight gear and NOT

[nafpaktos]

yes the cam position sucks,luckily there is erc where they know the job.

[SubaruNorway]

A guy in Filmworks told me they can't put them between or on the seat ear flap because of safety reasons given by the FIA...

When did you last hear of someone getting injured by a gopro inside a car...?

[Franky]

A guy in Filmworks told me they can't put them between or on the seat ear flap because of safety reasons given by the FIA...

When did you last hear of someone getting injured by a gopro inside a car...?

About the seat ear flap position. Even if GoPro is too large, then there are several cylinder type camera. Heck, Panasonic even came out with a 4K action camera (HX-A500), where the lens/sensor and the processing unit are connected by a cable. Nothing really would be in the way.

[EightGear]

A guy in Filmworks told me they can't put them between or on the seat ear flap because of safety reasons given by the FIA...

When did you last hear of someone getting injured by a gopro inside a car...?
That's quite idiotic. But why are the positions in ERC so good while it's a FIA championship too? And there are lots of onboards from competitors lower down the starting list in WRC events who put onboards on YouTube which are very good as well..

[N.O.T]

A guy in Filmworks told me they can't put them between or on the seat ear flap because of safety reasons given by the FIA...

When did you last hear of someone getting injured by a gopro inside a car...?

well... there are many positions apart from the seat where a camera can give proper onboard footage... and when you can produce a car that can go through a forest road at 120 mph i am sure the guys at the FIA or Red Bull can create a mount for a camera that can be both safe and fit anywhere...

But when you have autistic imbeciles and overweight midgets running the sport you cannot expect much.. can you ?

[stefanvv]

A guy in Filmworks told me they can't put them between or on the seat ear flap because of safety reasons given by the FIA...

When did you last hear of someone getting injured by a gopro inside a car...?

Who said it must be between the seats (though I don't find it dangerous at all). At least a left windscreen position would give much better view than the worst ever right windscreen position.

[Franky]

Does someone know why the roof top cameras have also disappeared over the years?

[makinen_fan]

Anything else other than centrally placed camera behind the crew is almost useless and does not give a good perceptive, especially those roof-top cameras.

[Franky]

Anything else other than centrally placed camera behind the crew is almost useless and does not give a good perceptive, especially those roof-top cameras.

For me the roof-top wins over the windscreen one.

[N.O.T]

The roof-top camera at 4:32 of the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ccr9Mze-Fw is quite nice...

[Franky]

About WRC+. Have to say that my first thoughts about the thing were proved wrong a bit, but when looking back it's more to do with the comfort - no need to search for streams, onboards and reviews quickly available, etc. But as quite a few have said, the whole thing still feels incomplete or shouldn't be a subscription feature.

I think majority of the onboards should be on the free site (with a better video directory than the thing they have at the moment). I personally hate the free site video section because of bad directory and the non stop WRC+ 30 second (think it was 30) ad running before every bloody video. Also the inability to share links to direct videos is idiotic.

Live tracking is cool but the feature is too simplistic at the moment. You need to have open several tabs to get all the info you could wish for. Why aren't the splits integrated to the tracking section? Another cool thing would be a small live stream window on the tracking page, could be the ultimate rally page. Also the list of tracked crews should increase.

Also they should have not sold the internet showing rights to countries, if they wanted to come out with the live stream feature.

At the moment WRC+ is all about comfort, nothing really premium is there.

But to be completely honest, they should had fixed the main site before jumping into subscription site. I don't understand how they haven't got the main site structured and working normally over all the years.

[makinen_fan]

Compare between the two
Onboard ideal position (but we will never see it again IMO): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sAbQ5wRr0o
Roof camera (at least most of it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKdKH1mhfX8

I hope you dont really prefer the second one...

[dodge33cymru]

Not a fan of that one, but I'm fine with the ones in front of the windscreen to be honest.

Admittedly, I'm a fairly new (re-)convert to rallying, my usual haunt is endurance racing, so I struggle to see what's wrong with the WRC+ product. Sure, it's new and still needs some usability tweaks and bugs ironing out (or so I read, I can't access it being in the UK) but I compare it to the ACO's pathetic equivalent that they rolled out (with much more fanfare the WRC have done) for WEC.

At a similar price structure, there is no archive or on demand ability, no choice of who to follow or what to watch, you literally just receive the TV feed. Plus, you need one subscription per device, should you wish to watch on your screen and follow timing on your phone or tablet.

These are two products which are at similar stages in their life cycle and, to me, the WRC offering seems miles ahead. Admittedly, I think both should be free, as the number of eyeballs the 'product' would be seen by would increase manyfold, for what is only a small token amount for the promoters, but they seem determined to restrict the services as much as possible instead, sadly...

[Franky]

Compare between the two
Onboard ideal position (but we will never see it again IMO): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sAbQ5wRr0o
Roof camera (at least most of it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKdKH1mhfX8

I hope you dont really prefer the second one...

Because they say the between seats camera is safety concern, then it's more of a question windscreen vs rooftop, which isn't a safety concern (unless you rule out a possible camera loss in case of a heavy crash).

A better sample of roof camera - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8p_AiDh7FQ

But I guess all this camera stuff is heavily off topic.

[stefanvv]

Onboards of the Czech promoter are really nice for me.

[N.O.T]

there are dozens of camera angles that can produce great footage... the fact that they use those generic "russian dash cams" lookalike postions for the WRC just shows the guys are either totally incompetent and useless at their jobs or they have orders from the top not to promote the sport as they should...

[stefanvv]

But I guess all this camera stuff is heavily off topic.

No it's not. That's exactly what is the biggest problem with promoting right now (and the bitstream quality of the onboards, it is awfull).

[Franky]

No it's not. That's exactly what is the biggest problem with promoting right now (and the bitstream quality of the onboards, it is awfull).

Onboard camera position really isn't connected to WRC+ as such. But have to agree that the resolution of the onboard videos is very poor, bitrate isn't the best either.

[miniwintz]

No it's not. That's exactly what is the biggest problem with promoting right now (and the bitstream quality of the onboards, it is awfull).

+1, video quality is one of the main reasons I canceled my subscription. IT would be passable for a free service but at 5 euro per month it is an utter joke. The service could benefit so much from 1080p 60 fps footage in place of the garbage that we have now.

[EightGear]

You guys probably won't believe me, but on Meeke's car the camera is placed behind the driver!

[Sch17]

You guys probably won't believe me, but on Meeke's car the camera is placed behind the driver!

You are right, new position is very good

[mousti]

They listened to me it seems :D

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[EightGear]

Or to both of us, I sent them this a few weeks ago:

Dear WRC+ Team,

I really enjoy your work on WRC+ and regularly use it. There is still room for improvement in the 'Live Maps' area, but generally I appreciate your work.

One of the main reason to sign up for me is the possibility to see almost all onboards on all stages from the top runners. I think onboards, when correctly presented, can give a very good impression of the skills involved in driving a WRC car. However, I don't really like the position of the POV camera. Me, and I believe a lot of other people, would really like to see the onboard camera's placed behind the drivers, in between the driver and the co-driver, so you can see the driver turning the steering wheel and all of their input. Your colleagues in the ERC are doing exactly so, and those onboards are a lot more enjoyable if I'm honest.

See these examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTxvpEk3zxo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxqlPTYY0LQ

Almost all onboards from the Czech site mediasport.cz are filmed like this as well: http://www.mediasport.cz/rally/onboardy.html

I stongly believe adjusting the camera positions will improve the quality of your product and it will, in the end, improve the popularity of the sport. After all, I suppose that's one of the reasons WRC+ has been created.

I wish you good luck in maintaning and improving this service.

Kind regards,

[stefanvv]

Onboard camera position really isn't connected to WRC+ as such. But have to agree that the resolution of the onboard videos is very poor, bitrate isn't the best either.

so the camera position is depending on wrc+ after all...

[Franky]

so the camera position is depending on wrc+ after all...

That's like saying uploaded content depends on Youtube

[stefanvv]

That's like saying uploaded content depends on Youtube

Oh, dear. Obviously the thread between producer and consumer has vanished somewhere.
So You can publish anything on youtube You say:D

EDIT: But You're right youtube is free service and can be seen all kind of videos there, good comparison nevertheless;)

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Which one is best..?? WRC+ onboards or official Youtube onboards..??

[Franky]

Which one is best..?? WRC+ onboards or official Youtube onboards..??

You mean quality wise? I ended my WRC+ subscription a month ago, but Youtube's quality seems a bit better. But the original footage is still "soft" (compare graphical texts with stage start sponsor banners, e.g.)

[KiwiWRCfan]

2014 WRC season review is now on WRC+
It is 52 minutes long and the final 90 seconds has some sensational editing

[christy but]

I see there is a 20% reduced price for wrc+ at the moment for Christmas...is it still not available in uk and Ireland..???

[Allyc85]

Is there any chance of legally getting WRC+ in the UK in 2015.

I know there are ways around the location restrictions, but it seems to crash my laptop when I try it.

[stefanvv]

I know there are ways around the location restrictions, but it seems to crash my laptop when I try it.

What did You try when crashed? VPN or just browser/system proxy. There shouldn't be a problem with proxy I believe.

[rallyfiend]

Is there any chance of legally getting WRC+ in the UK in 2015.

I know there are ways around the location restrictions, but it seems to crash my laptop when I try it.

I guess it depends what broadcaster deals they have in place. Have they confirmed BT Sport again? ITV?

[Sulland]

I sent them an email asking for the reasons for why I could not subscribe from Norway.

it took them a long time to answer, and a BS asnwer came back. i asked them for more details, no answer yet.
Not a very peofessional way to treat customers!

Will use tunnelbear in 2015!

[SubaruNorway]

I sent them an email asking for the reasons for why I could not subscribe from Norway.

it took them a long time to answer, and a BS asnwer came back. i asked them for more details, no answer yet.
Not a very peofessional way to treat customers!

Will use tunnelbear in 2015!

It's because SVT broadcasted Swedish Rally and some more live stages through Canal Digital in Norway.
I use Hola, works great.

Guess they think the Broadcaster wouldn't bother paying for the live stages if people could get it on WRC + instead.

[Mariusz]

A few days ago I got an email from WRC+ team and they will display split times on their live maps this season. If they can manage to show them as fast as stage times it will be a great feature.

[AL14]

A few days ago I got an email from WRC+ team and they will display split times on their live maps this season. If they can manage to show them as fast as stage times it will be a great feature.
Totally agree. That is what they missed the most last year imho. Very happy to hear that. Hope there will be a better track system as well

[EightGear]

Would be good. I also hope they change the camera position of all cars to the one used in Meeke's car at Rally GB.

[mousti]

Would be good. I also hope they change the camera position of all cars to the one used in Meeke's car at Rally GB.

Like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZmp7fOSDhY

[EightGear]

Like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZmp7fOSDhY

Yes, like the video you uploaded. ;)

[dimviii]

i d like a bit wider,want to watch drivers legs,and whole steering with both hands.

[mousti]

i d like a bit wider,want to watch drivers legs,and whole steering with both hands.

208 R5 is ideal

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[makinen_fan]

i d like a bit wider,want to watch drivers legs,and whole steering with both hands.

me too, you must be able to look at drivers hands to really appreciate what's going on
anyway we will never see such a camera position in the wrc with those amateurs...

[Franky]

me too, you must be able to look at drivers hands to really appreciate what's going on
anyway we will never see such a camera position in the wrc with those amateurs...

Correction, with those seats. Super wide angle like GoPros can give you the look of what's happening between the seats and dash, but it comes at the cost of overall image distortion. It makes everything seem so far away. Okay, the movement looks greater due to the wide angle distortion, but it feels wrong.

[SubaruNorway]

Would be good. I also hope they change the camera position of all cars to the one used in Meeke's car at Rally GB.

I told Østberg the other day that he should ask the TV crew to give him the same inboard as Meeke, so hopefully there's another one at least ;)

Problem with going wide is that you have a really small margin to hit or else the road will get too white like i did here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O3EvHB0bwA

Could maybe do it better if adjusted with the APP and a with a proper mount and not on top of the seat though.

[dodge33cymru]

I must be the only one that prefers the dashboard cameras! I know it's crazy inside the car, but I prefer the road view and comparing them where possible.

Still, seeing as they are still not allowing WRC+ in the UK and hiding away the coverage on obscure channels, like it makes any difference to me anyway!

[dimviii]

Super wide angle .

no super wide(like some that you can see even through side windows),just a bit wider so you dont have the total image distortion,isn t it possible?
Subaru Norway?

[N.O.T]

I must be the only one that prefers the dashboard cameras! I know it's crazy inside the car, but I prefer the road view and comparing them where possible.

Still, seeing as they are still not allowing WRC+ in the UK and hiding away the coverage on obscure channels, like it makes any difference to me anyway!

yes you are... and you should not be proud of it.

[SubaruNorway]

I must be the only one that prefers the dashboard cameras! I know it's crazy inside the car, but I prefer the road view and comparing them where possible.

Still, seeing as they are still not allowing WRC+ in the UK and hiding away the coverage on obscure channels, like it makes any difference to me anyway!

Use hola.org, takes you 10min and invite a friend and you will get free GB limit for a month :)

[SubaruNorway]

no super wide(like some that you can see even through side windows),just a bit wider so you dont have the total image distortion,isn t it possible?
Subaru Norway?

This is medium wide angel on the GoPro, you get quite a bit less speed sensation though. You could get an aftermarket lense to get something in-between, not that hard to do either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYeYtYSN960

[dimviii]

This is medium wide angel on the GoPro, you get quite a bit less speed sensation though. You could get an aftermarket lense to get something in-between, not that hard to do either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYeYtYSN960

thats a lot wide,i mean less wide than this.But as you said its possible with aftermarket lense.

[Franky]

thats a lot wide,i mean less wide than this.But as you said its possible with aftermarket lense.

Changing the lens to a less wider one means that you also have to move the camera more toward the rear of the car to capture the same area. And there's where the seats start to obstruct the view

[makinen_fan]

The point dimvii wants to make it that it doesn't need to cover all that, you can get away with a bit less wide angle lens, and keeping the lens position equal.
Definitely it is a delicate selection of lens used and positioning of the camera. But if someone with limited resources as SubaruNorway can do it, for sure RedBullMedia can do that too!

[dimviii]

exactly as makinen fan said..

[Franky]

To see how the image changes when decreasing the field of view - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KItJRr9Hlo

You can't keep the same position for Wide and Narrow. Well you can, but you'll see a lot less.

SubaruNorway, the video of Grondal is with the medium FOV?

[SubaruNorway]

To see how the image changes when decreasing the field of view - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KItJRr9Hlo

You can't keep the same position for Wide and Narrow. Well you can, but you'll see a lot less.

SubaruNorway, the video of Grondal is with the medium FOV?

Yeah it's medium mounted to the front edge of the co drivers seat in both. You have a narrow setting on the GoPro too but i never tried it for inboard, you would then probably have the edge of the frame just at the A pillars and not much speed sensation but of course better details of the road.

This is medium with a manfrotto super clamp and 25cm extension arm mounted to the cage 10cm back from the front edge of the seat. As you can see some vibration so welding my own heavy duty extension arm :p
Low light that day so i think that's why the quality is not that good.

http://youtu.be/C2i1FBh6emg?t=1m36s

[sindroms]

WRC+ available in UK - http://www.irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00007837&10

[Allyc85]

WRC+ available in UK - http://www.irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00007837&10

Great news :D

[dodge33cymru]

Halle-sodding-lujah, at last.

I'm not in on Thursday evening; do any regular users know how long after a live stage it's usually made available to watch for subscribers?

[sindroms]

Halle-sodding-lujah, at last.

I'm not in on Thursday evening; do any regular users know how long after a live stage it's usually made available to watch for subscribers?

All year long. Check out wrc+ content - does 2014 year live stages and on-boards available for UK users too :)

[dodge33cymru]

All year long. Check out wrc+ content - does 2014 year live stages and on-boards available for UK users too :)
Much better than the WEC equivalent, where you watch live or nothing.

Sorry, I meant to ask how quickly it becomes available after broadcast?

[stefanvv]

Sorry, I meant to ask how quickly it becomes available after broadcast?

Live stages I think are available very soon after end.

[N.O.T]

Do not waste your money on a service with no respect to the customer...

[dodge33cymru]

I'm loathe to ask this, but why does it have no respect for the customer? It looks infinitely better value than the WEC's equivalent offering to me and it's much more logical to spend £30 for a year of recorded content (that I'll download) than on a BT Sport subscription that would cost me literally 30x more?

If the live stages are on demand and at least 480p, then that's all I need to know.

[N.O.T]

it really depends on your standards, if you are one of those special people who wastes his sad life on mediocre stuff and people then go for it...

but in an era where 4k is soon going to be the main thing and in all sport events 60fps is a standard on tv... if you are willing to pay for some 20fps 420p videos that you cannot even download go ahead and knock yourself out... i find it a farce that they cannot provide at least 720p at 60fps....

I do not care about the price... i would pay 3-5 times the amount if i could get proper footage from cameras mounted on proper spots and if i could download them...

[makinen_fan]

4k and 60fps are the least of the problems of wrc coverage IMHO

wrc+ is a very good way to follow the TV coverage if you want to access it legally. It would be better to be on free TV, but no one is willing to show it for free...

[tommeke_B]

In Belgium RTBF (national TV for French-speaking part of Belgium) will broadcast all powerstages on La Une or La Deux. I don't know if these channels are available in any other countries.

[AndyRAC]

I'm loathe to ask this, but why does it have no respect for the customer? It looks infinitely better value than the WEC's equivalent offering to me and it's much more logical to spend £30 for a year of recorded content (that I'll download) than on a BT Sport subscription that would cost me literally 30x more?

If the live stages are on demand and at least 480p, then that's all I need to know.

I'd say that both the WRC and WEC are niche - and as such should be trying to get as much coverage as possible. Putting it behind a paywall isn't the most sensible way to go. If you must charge, then make sure you're offering value for money, and the software can handle it.
At the moment, I'll wait.

[Franky]

it really depends on your standards, if you are one of those special people who wastes his sad life on mediocre stuff and people then go for it...

but in an era where 4k is soon going to be the main thing and in all sport events 60fps is a standard on tv... if you are willing to pay for some 20fps 420p videos that you cannot even download go ahead and knock yourself out... i find it a farce that they cannot provide at least 720p at 60fps....

I do not care about the price... i would pay 3-5 times the amount if i could get proper footage from cameras mounted on proper spots and if i could download them...

I suspect this isn't the usual "spice" post by you. Just to educate you. 30, 60, 120 and so on frames per second is NTSC standard. You're still in the PAL zone. And technically all FullHD broadcast footage is 50fps, it's just interlaced.

4K won't be mainstream any time soon, considering that majority of TV channels on this planet are still in SD. Quite a large number of stations are still broadcast in 4:3 aspect ratio. And besides TV cameras cost a fortune (one high-end FullHD TV camera costs $80k, 4K ones start from $100k), so only the filthy rich will upgrade their equipment to 4K. But who will they show the almighty 4K? A minority.

Even when WRC+ is far from perfect, it's a comfortable way to consume the broadcasted material legally and without extra hassle.

[rage82]

Halle-sodding-lujah, at last.

I'm not in on Thursday evening; do any regular users know how long after a live stage it's usually made available to watch for subscribers?
If I remember correctly it's available almost immediately after the live broadcasting.

[EightGear]

The onboard video quality on the WRC Youtube page is better (in 1080p) than all onboards on WRC+, which is quite strange since it's from the same cameras.
Surely it must be the video player they are using?

[N.O.T]

I suspect this isn't the usual "spice" post by you. Just to educate you. 30, 60, 120 and so on frames per second is NTSC standard. You're still in the PAL zone. And technically all FullHD broadcast footage is 50fps, it's just interlaced.

4K won't be mainstream any time soon, considering that majority of TV channels on this planet are still in SD. Quite a large number of stations are still broadcast in 4:3 aspect ratio. And besides TV cameras cost a fortune (one high-end FullHD TV camera costs $80k, 4K ones start from $100k), so only the filthy rich will upgrade their equipment to 4K. But who will they show the almighty 4K? A minority.

Even when WRC+ is far from perfect, it's a comfortable way to consume the broadcasted material legally and without extra hassle.

apart from the technical blah blah that we do not care..

WRC+ is crap as it is... its good for bottom feeders and i am sure there are plenty but when you broadcast at crap resolution and crap Fps you do not deserve a penny from proper humans.

i never said that they should broadcast at 4k i said 720p and 60fps or at least as high as those girly nobodies enjoy the F1. In motorsport and sports in general fast frames per second counts, it is not a noire movie of the 50s.

[Franky]

i never said that they should broadcast at 4k i said 720p and 60fps or at least as high as those girly nobodies enjoy the F1. In motorsport and sports in general fast frames per second counts, it is not a noire movie of the 50s.

You want everything in slooooo-moooo? Or what's with the damn 50/60 fps. For proper slowmotion you need to be at 100 or 200 fps.

Okay, the image quality isn't the best. Your other option is either some shitty pirate stream or TV.

[stefanvv]

I suspect this isn't the usual "spice" post by you. Just to educate you. 30, 60, 120 and so on frames per second is NTSC standard. You're still in the PAL zone. And technically all FullHD broadcast footage is 50fps, it's just interlaced.

4K won't be mainstream any time soon, considering that majority of TV channels on this planet are still in SD. Quite a large number of stations are still broadcast in 4:3 aspect ratio. And besides TV cameras cost a fortune (one high-end FullHD TV camera costs $80k, 4K ones start from $100k), so only the filthy rich will upgrade their equipment to 4K. But who will they show the almighty 4K? A minority.

Even when WRC+ is far from perfect, it's a comfortable way to consume the broadcasted material legally and without extra hassle.

The live stages & daily reviews are good enough with HD quality. The same should be with the onboards, I don't really care about the timing synchronization, than the quality of the videos, that includes the camera position as well. Otherwise the service is good for the money.

[dodge33cymru]

The onboard video quality on the WRC Youtube page is better (in 1080p) than all onboards on WRC+, which is quite strange since it's from the same cameras.
Surely it must be the video player they are using?
Streaming live is a whole different board game to what can be recorded locally with a camera, must rely on a lot of other factors which can be very costly.

For what it's worth, I think that this service should be available for free; not to save me a few pennies, but to open it up to the viewers that the manufacturers are in this to attract.

As far as I can see, the benefit free coverage could provide would vastly outweigh the relative pittance they will make through WRC+. WEC (another niche series) seems to have made the same decision, much to their detriment.

[Franky]

Streaming live is a whole different board game to what can be recorded locally with a camera, must rely on a lot of other factors which can be very costly.

For what it's worth, I think that this service should be available for free; not to save me a few pennies, but to open it up to the viewers that the manufacturers are in this to attract.

As far as I can see, the benefit free coverage could provide would vastly outweigh the relative pittance they will make through WRC+. WEC (another niche series) seems to have made the same decision, much to their detriment.

Then what's the point of TV channels buying the rights, if the same thing is available for free ;)

WRC+ is just a bonus to the TV rights deal

[rage82]

I'm loathe to ask this, but why does it have no respect for the customer? It looks infinitely better value than the WEC's equivalent offering to me and it's much more logical to spend £30 for a year of recorded content (that I'll download) than on a BT Sport subscription that would cost me literally 30x more?

If the live stages are on demand and at least 480p, then that's all I need to know.
Actually the live streamed stages are available in HD format and also the daily highlights are also in HD if you have enough fast internet connection. Only the onboards are in poor quality.

[N.O.T]

You want everything in slooooo-moooo? Or what's with the damn 50/60 fps. For proper slowmotion you need to be at 100 or 200 fps.

Okay, the image quality isn't the best. Your other option is either some shitty pirate stream or TV.

you have some kind of disability to understand simple sentences ??? who talked about slow motion ???

[EightGear]

Actually the live streamed stages are available in HD format and also the daily highlights are also in HD if you have enough fast internet connection. Only the onboards are in poor quality.

Exactly, while the exact same onboard videos on Youtube are much better.

[Franky]

you have some kind of disability to understand simple sentences ??? who talked about slow motion ???

Then stop talking about high frame rates since that's only useful for slow motion. You get sharp images/frames with a high shutter value. You are talking about minimal motion blur for the action shots.

[N.O.T]

Then stop talking about high frame rates since that's only useful for slow motion. You get sharp images/frames with a high shutter value. You are talking about minimal motion blur for the action shots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nU2_ERC_oE

as you can see these two correlate....

[Rallyper]

One can easily understand N.O.T. hasn´t seen latest develop on WRC+. Quality is very high and offers so much more than we´ve ever seen in short clips on regular WRC.com site. Well worth money.

[Franky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nU2_ERC_oE

as you can see these two correlate....

A 400 Euro camera with full automatic settings is your benchmark?

Please stop

[rage82]

Exactly, while the exact same onboard videos on Youtube are much better.
It's very strange because when you are watching the live stream or the daily highlights the onboards are in HD and after that when you compare the same onboards between drivers the quality is bad. Somebody mention the player they are using but that can't be the problem because it's the same player for the other stuff.

[Franky]

The onboard quality is most likely result of heavy compression (low bitrate)

[N.O.T]

My benchmark is what i see on WRC+ and i do not like it...

I just showed you the video not to pay attention to the camera but that fps counts when it comes to blurring between frames... but i asked too much it seems camera boy.

[N.O.T]

One can easily understand N.O.T. hasn´t seen latest develop on WRC+. Quality is very high and offers so much more than we´ve ever seen in short clips on regular WRC.com site. Well worth money.

did they improve on their LIVE onboard camera positons and footage ??? can you download anything ???? that is the only feature that is worth paying...

because if i want to see highlights then i can watch them on TV...

[EightGear]

did they improve on their LIVE onboard camera positons and footage ??? can you download anything ???? that is the only feature that is worth paying...

because if i want to see highlights then i can watch them on TV...

Only Meeke's camera was nice at Wales Rally GB, no idea if they changed the rest for 2015 as well or it's all still the same.

[Franky]

My benchmark is what i see on WRC+ and i do not like it...

I just showed you the video not to pay attention to the camera but that fps counts when it comes to blurring between frames... but i asked too much it seems camera boy.

With higher frame rates the camera by default has a higher shutter count. That's the only connection.

[stefanvv]

The onboard quality is most likely result of heavy compression (low bitrate)

I can understand somewhat low bit-rate on some level on 2 drivers side by side comparison with time synchronization and so on, but with sole driver mode it is unacceptable. IMO this is what the real Rally fans want - quality onboards.

[christy but]

not sure if this was asked yet but can wrc+ be got in Ireland ?

[AL14]

I can understand somewhat low bit-rate on some level on 2 drivers side by side comparison with time synchronization and so on, but with sole driver mode it is unacceptable. IMO this is what the real Rally fans want - quality onboards.

I'm pretty sure they're compressing videos to save space on server, otherwise they should spend a fortune to keep all these videos up there.

I don't care about fps, my eyes are happy with 30 fps that is how much they could get (if I remember well) and I don't mind if I can't catch the sight of specks of dust. I have no pay TV and want to enjoy some rally looking at live stages, onboards, highlights and interactive maps. wrc+ give me this for 30€/yr and as long as it works it makes me happy.

[stefanvv]

I'm pretty sure they're compressing videos to save space on server, otherwise they should spend a fortune to keep all these videos up there.

Oh please, storage servers are not that expensive. Convince someone who doesn't know about computers;)

[AL14]

Oh please, storage servers are not that expensive. Convince someone who doesn't know about computers;)

It was just an assumption as I'm not an expert, I couldn't find any other reason.

[stefanvv]

It was just an assumption as I'm not an expert, I couldn't find any other reason.

Well yeah, we should just leave it and enjoy whatever comes anyway:)

[GigiGalliNo1]

NOT, who downloads things? Don't you know about the CLOUD?????

[N.O.T]

NOT, who downloads things? Don't you know about the CLOUD?????

don't you have other sports to bother with in Oz ? kangaroo racing or something ? are you that clueless in everything you do ?

Cloud servers have limited storage and then you have to pay... if you want to store event highlights in HD quality that might be a problem.

Plus you need to have internet to access them...

[Mariusz]

Local storage costs as well. I've seen plenty of wrc+ onboards on YouTube so downloading is not impossible. Maybe not the original quality, but if someone doesn't have Internet access why would that person care about quality. He probably has some low end laptop that can barely play 480p anyway...

[AL14]

don't you have other sports to bother with in Oz ? kangaroo racing or something ? are you that clueless in everything you do ?

Cloud servers have limited storage and then you have to pay... if you want to store event highlights in HD quality that might be a problem.

Plus you need to have internet to access them...

Flash Video Downloader: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fvd-downloader/lfmhcpmkbdkbgbmkjoiopeeegenkdikp :)

[N.O.T]

Local storage costs as well. I've seen plenty of wrc+ onboards on YouTube so downloading is not impossible. Maybe not the original quality, but if someone doesn't have Internet access why would that person care about quality. He probably has some low end laptop that can barely play 480p anyway...

or maybe he is traveling with a high end laptop...

[GigiGalliNo1]

NOT

You take things so seriously! I don't follow any other sports in Australia... Only WRC.

[Allyc85]

All signed up and ready to go for Monte.

Agreed about the Meeke camera angle on Rally GB, it is far superior to the other POV angle they give!

[Evian]

After some arguing with the support I can tell you that you can't use WRC+ in Sweden (for live stages and highlights. Maps and incar seams to be working).
No matter if you're registered in another country and in Sweden for just a visit (like Rally Sweden doh).

After some emailing they forward me to the responsible department so lets see what happens.

Last year it worked just fine!

[Franky]

I suspect they will receive quite a few complaints after today

[Allyc85]

The broadcast was spot on for me, but the live map kept on freezing or not loading at all.

When will the onboards from tonight be uploaded?

[SubaruNorway]

After some arguing with the support I can tell you that you can't use WRC+ in Sweden (for live stages and highlights. Maps and incar seams to be working).
No matter if you're registered in another country and in Sweden for just a visit (like Rally Sweden doh).

After some emailing they forward me to the responsible department so lets see what happens.

Last year it worked just fine!

Strange that you had it last year and Norway didn't since we both had live through SVT.

[306 Cosworth]

I suspect they will receive quite a few complaints after today

Why? Live stream was brilliant for me. Not bothered about the maps, wish the single person onboard would work on the app though.

[Franky]

Why? Live stream was brilliant for me. Not bothered about the maps, wish the single person onboard would work on the app though.

But the service is not only about live stream ;)

[kubiczech]

question for subscribers: are there any onboards from yesterday yet?

[Franky]

No

[EightGear]

Stage 1 is online now, finally.

[Eli]

when will they show today's higlights?

[stefanvv]

Strangely it says 23.01.2015 15:24 CET

[Eli]

very strange indeed

[Mariusz]

"Day 1 highlights" is available now, but these are not Monte Carlo rally highlights. It is just a sponsored video. They haven't even mentioned who won half of today's stages :(

[mousti]

"Day 1 highlights" is available now, but these are not Monte Carlo rally highlights. It is just a sponsored video. They haven't even mentioned who won half of today's stages :(

Is always like that, Eurosport ERC and IRC highlights are way better IMO.

[smsgrafica]

Someone else having terrible sound on onboard videos?

[RAS007]

I can't even get the onboards at all. When I try, I get a map of the world coming up, with a chequered flag in the middle of Africa! Apart from the live stages on day one, this has been a total waste of money so far...

[EightGear]

Did you click the green box saying 'Stages' at the top right corner?

[RAS007]

Did you click the green box saying 'Stages' at the top right corner?

Ok, I did that, thanks. But, once I have chosen a stage and driver, all I get is a spinninggreen circle in the middle of the screen..

[EightGear]

Ok, I did that, thanks. But, once I have chosen a stage and driver, all I get is a spinninggreen circle in the middle of the screen..
Maybe I'm playing Captain Obvious, but did you select a 'view' as well?

[RAS007]

Maybe I'm playing Captain Obvious, but did you select a 'view' as well?p

Yeah, its after I select facecam or POV that I get the spinning green circle....

[christy but]

Someone else having terrible sound on onboard videos? yes I have bad noise aswell

[EightGear]

p

Yeah, its after I select facecam or POV that I get the spinning green circle....

Ok well that's strange. Maybe try another browser.

[denkimi]

Is always like that, Eurosport ERC and IRC highlights are way better IMO.

no, remember mini in the irc. they didn't payed eurosport so they didn't shown them.

[Rallyper]

WRC+ working good. But boring live-stage SS13 I think.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Boring? But at least they show a bit of WRC2!!!

[Rallyper]

Not the competition itself. Only the stage. And a minus for just showing the end. Should have been more incar from midstage with some blind crests and snow on the road after. A glimse of that was from Kubicas incar.

[Franky]

It seems that 10km is too short for TV

[Eli]

instead of talking at the end they should have shown us more from the WRC 2 category...how do they want new fans to understand the different categories if they don't show the lower ones...

[arko5]

Splits times are working finally onw wrc+ :)

[EstWRC]

Splits times are working finally onw wrc+ :)

yeah, great to watch! splits sooner than Becs has!

[dodge33cymru]

Good coverage this morning, better than the opening stage where they spent 20 minutes showing them muck around in Monte Carlo, glad to see them get the top 5 WRC2. Hopefully more of the same later.

[KKS]

yeah, great to watch! splits sooner than Becs has!

any screens?


and did wrc+ upload WRC2 onboards?

[dodge33cymru]

Nope, I don't even know if they have them; if they do I've never seen one.

[christy but]

Wrc+ is good but wrc2 and wrc3 should be included

[markf8691]

Yea the single on board videos are not loading for me either just green spinning circle - this is on my iPhone through the wrc app :(

[stefanvv]

One of the onboards I wanted to watch is Ogier on SS08 and it is full of noise, very annoying. Otherwise the service seem to get better with on-time stage times (and probably splits, didn't check that).

[makinen_fan]

I tried for the first time wrc+ and I quite happy about the whole thing. The last two days I was not home to watch the live stages on my laptop, but the wrc app worked perfectly and I watched the power stage live. I never imagine to do such a thing without expensive TV channel packages costing 10-20 times more.
Also the coverage in terms of cameras and commentary is much improved compared to last year IMO for the live program.

[christy but]

the live map tracker is showing kubica is still at end of stage 14.has he been recovered yet ??

[AL14]

WRC+ now available in Denmark, Norway and Sweden as well.

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/february-2015/wrc+-scandinavia/page/2156--12-12-.html

[pino]

WRC+ now available in Denmark, Norway and Sweden as well.

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/february-2015/wrc+-scandinavia/page/2156--12-12-.html

Great news ! :up:

[AL14]

They say "Scandinavia" but don't mention Finland...Is it because it was already available?

[tommeke_B]

They say "Scandinavia" but don't mention Finland...Is it because it was already available?

Finland is not Scandinavia.

[pino]

Finland is not Scandinavia.

What ???

[mrakili]

Yes pino, in fact Finland is not Scandinavia. The scandinavian nations are Danmark, Norway, Sweden, all those countries are bonded wit the scandinavian mountains.

[AL14]

You're right guys, sorry for the mistake, I'm a mediterranean guy ;)

[focus206]

Finland is a "Nordic" country :p

[pino]

I always thought Finland was part of Scandinavia. Shame on me, considering that I am half Danish ;)

[lewalcindor]

Also doesn't help that the maneuver made famous by the Flying Finns is called the "Scandinavian Flick".* :)


*Also made famous by actual Scandinavian drivers

[dupanton]

I have no splits on the tracking map. Is it only here or has everyone the same problem?