Wrc+

[AnttiL]

Strange…no onboards (even old ones) available on WRC+.

I was watching some Finland onboards in the afternoon and at one point it just stopped working. Maybe I jammed the servers? :D

[dupanton]

Strange…no onboards (even old ones) available on WRC+.

Btw, the new girl seems nice, but Kiri was a much better presenter. Bring her back!

I didn't like her at all

[EstWRC]

i agree...she just doesnt fit at all. Kiri is the best choice

[AnttiL]

I think all the presenters have been doing their job well enough :)

[ESTR]

I think all the presenters have been doing their job well enough :)

It's the time provider who needs to be replaced or guys behind it...

[sonnybobiche]

Thoughts on Rally Sardinia coverage:

1. Abi Stephens is the one to keep as main presenter. I was really big on Kiri Bloore, because she was just so much more capable than almost everyone else, especially in those first days in Monte. In fact Abi probably had a much easier job than she would otherwise have had because Kiri had sort of whipped all the complacent WRC regulars into shape, showing them what it takes to run a proper motorsports broadcast.

But for whatever reason Stephens doesn't get tripped up by the producer talking in her ear like Kiri did. And there's a sense of ease there that was maybe a little lacking in Kiri. Kiri would regularly just cut people off and move on to the next thing, as if she was worried that the viewers were growing bored. (To be fair, it was usually with Julian when he would start rambling, almost asking to be cut off.) Abi is more effortless. She's happy to let the conversation go where it will, but it never seems to go off the rails.

On the other hand, Kiri seems to understand better than anyone else how important it is to keep the fans actually interested. It's more important than your stupid engineering debrief. More important than your team being able to sit in front of their laptops undisturbed. When Kiri entered the Toyota control room uninvited to show how the team work behind the scenes, it was actually exciting. It was voyeuristic.

WRC needs a person like Kiri pushing the coverage in that direction, because if you leave it to the rest of them, they will quickly go back to doing bland, dishonest PR for the teams and promoter. You can see it every time Becs, Colin, or Julian interview someone alone. They start feeding the person PR answers with a question mark at the end of the sentence. "Elfyn, of course not the start you wanted to the rally, but there's still a long way to go and hopefully you'll be able to make up some places?" "Craig, how happy are you to be back in the car? Are you looking forward to the stages?"

2. Surprisingly, WRC now actually has too many capable presenters. Or maybe not too many, but there are too many people playing too many different parts. People swap in and out of particular roles way too much. Heck, in the studio segment after the rally, we had Emyr Penlan take over the lead presenter role from Abi without explanation! (By the way, Penlan is surprisingly decent at it.) We have to have some stability. Paul King should ALWAYS be the voice of the highlights. Julian should ALWAYS be the co-host. Becs should ALWAYS be the play-by-play commentator on the live stage coverage, and Desborough should always be the color man, except when they bring in a special guest commentator like Gus Greensmith. Molly Pettit and Colin Clark should ALWAYS be doing the stage end and service park interviews. It's confusing and frustrating when people keep switching around seemingly at random.

3. OK, here's the big one: on screen graphics. They are really, really, poor. They look ugly and they are more confusing than informative. My absolute biggest complaint is that despite watching every stage live, I feel like I have less of a sense of the situation at any given moment than I do when watching the highlights. This is primarily because the left-hand timing screen is so, so useless. What is the point of constantly displaying the total competitive stage time of the lead driver? That is information that literally nobody cares about, not even the lead driver. We care about the intervals between drivers at any given moment. These get displayed for a few seconds after a driver finishes a stage, and then, incomprehensibly, they are hidden again. SHOW THE INTERVAL. ALWAYS.
Also, there is no reason to ever list the road order while a stage is running. They already highlight the 3-letter driver name as he starts the stage. That tells us all we need to know. What we need is a table showing everyone's place in the rally and interval between them. And when a driver comes to the end of a stage and it turns out he's lost or gained a position, you make a beeping sound and show the driver's name moving up or down the order, just like in MotoGP.

4. Overall, the video quality needs to seriously improve. Bandwidth is not expensive, guys. Heavily compressed 720p 25fps with more artifacts than detail just doesn't cut it these days. It looks fine on my TV from 10 feet away, but on my 4k monitor at my desk, it is nearly unwatchable in fullscreen.

5. All Live does not work at all in Chrome. I have to use Microsoft Edge on my PC. That sucks. Also, it does not work on my Amazon FireTV, except for true 'live' playback, i.e., there is no way to click on segments and watch them after they air, like you can on the computer. In fact the FireTV app is generally pretty broken. And speaking of clicking on segments and watching them after they air, that Electronic Programming Guide interface sucks ass. If you're watching the rally on your own schedule, maybe an hour or even a day behind the true live schedule, you have to use the EPG. But the start and end times of each segment in the EPG have little correlation to the true start and end times of segments in the broadcast. The "Studio" segment abruptly stops, and then you click the next segment, e.g. "Stage 10", and you get the remaining 5 minutes of studio segment before the actual stage starts.
Also, the EPG start/end times are not exactly contiguous, so a handful of seconds of the broadcast is just gone forever between the end of one segment and the start of the next. Most annoyingly, it doesn't automatically start playing the next segment. You have to manually click it, and it's impossible to tell what segment is currently playing and what segment you have to play next. You have to remember which segment you just watched and what it was called on the EPG, which is surprisingly hard to do.

6. The really should show classic rallies during the 1hr+ breaks. The one time they did it (during Argentina), it was great. But maybe that was a freebie from Motorsport.com, who now own the entire Duke Archive. Regardless, you can't just have supercut footage and two bars of music on loop for an hour.


That may seem like a whole lot of complaints and not much praise, but actually I think All Live is a good product. They just need to iron out a few minor wrinkles and it will be great.

Your thoughts? I'm especially interested to hear who people like more as lead presenter and why.

[Franky]

Presenters. I have to admit that I wasn't really liking Abi at her first event but that might had been mostly due to the fact I only managed to check All Live very briefly. But after following the entire Italian round, I think she's the best option. Second would be Kiri and third the brunette, who felt really lost. Even the Mexican sun didn't help. The reason why I prefer Abi over Kiri is the more laid back approach. Kiri is very active and at time feels too much. But I think they need a makeup artist or someone who keeps an eye on people's faces.

I agree that they should fix the roles of presenters. It would also make the transitions from studio to stage a bit smoother. No moving from studio to the commenting desk.

WRC All Live. Sadly after half a season I still think the product is not ready. And when remembering their initial advertising for it, I think they said "all the action, all the drama". Yet they have a wonderful tendency to miss all the action and drama. Yes, the repeater plane is a limiting factor. But you need to work on your limiting factors.

The whole WRC.com website is awful and the WRC Plus one is no better. And with All Live I've got quite often the feeling that they've really got no idea what they are really doing. It's television, a channel that works on 13 weekends a year. And with every channel you need to keep the eye balls and not let them switch to something else. On Saturday they had one of the highlights on repeat. As we just had All Live running in the living room and everyone minding their own business, I got fed up when I heard the damn thing start for the third time.

But I'll start with negative and finish with some ideas.

Graphics. I've got no idea what they are thinking. They've been doing it for years and how can they f.. it up like that. It's not like circuit racing where the overall standings are the most important thing and lap times quite trivial.

Stage times and split times are the kings, yet we get very little of them.

The left side graphics (overall standings) should be replaced with stage results and only show finished drivers and driver in stage. So the list gets longer as the stage progresses.

Right side should be reserved for splits and create a rolling lower third graphics bar for overall standings and gaps.

I suspect the commentators see the clean feed without onscreen graphics. That should change because in Italy commentators were talking about one split and onscreen the next split was displayed.

Or if they don't want to have splits onscreen, then the commentators must give the information. As yeah, at the moment watching All Live has you more in the dark than just following splits/stage times and radio before.

Action. I understand that it's impossible to get all the action from the stage at the same time but why didn't they go live where Latvala was trying to resurrect the car on the side of the road.

The breaks. The flow of All Live is stop and go. I also liked it when they used archive to fill the gap a few events ago. Was it Argentina?

This idea would require more production time/resources but it would be a good filler. Stage description/analysis. It should be more than just asking drivers. They've got plenty of people with knowledge who could go through the stage. Explain the challenges and dangers, sections to focus on, etc. And then the drivers' soundbites. And for the rerun they could use the same thing again, maybe a shorter recut version and show the fastest onboard from the first run before the stage start, if there's time.

So that could fill the shorter breaks. And for the longer ones they can use in depth analysis of the loop (studio) and archive.

Conclusion for the moment. I hope that's all that's been on my mind. If they'd improve the product, it can become a great thing. But at the moment we must make do what we get. My initial idea was to send the ideas to them, using both WRC Plus and production company e-mail addresses. But now is the first time I've got all of it in writing.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Re WRC+ All Live on Chrome - it works fine on my PC and I'm also able to cast it perfectly to my TV via Chromecast.

This is great and I can have it running all day like a WRCTV channel and dont have to be tied to my PC any more.

Re Presenters - the live rally coverage is all that matters to me and not the studio girls. I would love to get rid of Dereborough from all commentating and always use the excellent Julian Porter as the co-comms.

Re Graphics - Franky is spot on. They are awful and no substitute for watching the splits and stage times on a website as we did previously. It's like this info isnt that important when in fact its vital. A real shame and needs fixing asap.

[Rally Power]

You guys said it all: there’s still some work to do, especially regarding the signal quality (too much cuts).

Two more cents on the main presenter: with due respect, Abi is too calm; come on, she’s presenting the most exciting motorsport series of the world, not the afternoon show for housewives and pensioners. Besides, her diction is far from perfect and sometimes it’s hard to understand what she’s saying. Kiri was the opposite: always sharp, proactive and with no speech issues. Please, bring her back!

Btw, if they can get a driver with Welsh accent to help in the comments (nice job from Greensmith on this one) why can’t they also take a French, a Finn or an Italian (etc.) fluently speaking English? It would be interesting to have people from other countries and break this irritating exclusive Brit line up (with Molly’s exception).

Anyway, it’s great to have All Live available and I really hope they’ll manage to improve it.

PS: onboards are on again; Neuville PS is really something!

[mknight]

It's confusing and frustrating when people keep switching around seemingly at random.

It might have to do something with the logistics. Sometimes people just have to change locations. Also some changes can be nice as it offers different "view" on same situations.




4. Overall, the video quality needs to seriously improve. Bandwidth is not expensive, guys. Heavily compressed 720p 25fps with more artifacts than detail just doesn't cut it these days. It looks fine on my TV from 10 feet away, but on my 4k monitor at my desk, it is nearly unwatchable in fullscreen.


If you mean video from stages then actually "bandwidth" is a serious problem. Just to name a few points:

1. Coverage vs quality
Sure you could get better quality basically immediately at the expense of more gaps and cuts in coverage. Dunno how it is now but just a few years ago F1 onboards would cut below bridges on the circuit... and that's a single "open" circuit with few kms length. Not like a rally stage with trees, hills and houses all around.

2. Onboard equipment
The transmission equipment onboard each car has very small footprint/antennas and low transmission power. Better quality might need bigger size/power supply.

3. Available spectrum
Again I dunno what they use but generally large frequency BW available all over the world to transmit from more cars at once is a problem. There are special short term spectral approvals for "sports events", but even for those the BW is quite limited and subject to fees.
Also here the coverage vs quality comes into play. Lower frequencies give better coverage, but most often lower bandwidth (quality), higher frequencies have more issues with trees/buildings.

Given a limited budget what is more important?

- more cuts vs better quality when it works
- more stages covered vs less with very good coverage (like we had before Alllive)
- different places and following cars on each stage or just same sections (they can pick sections with good coverage)
- less or more roadside cameras? (might be that a given number of road-side cameras is mandated for highlights/tv reports)
- ability to switch between cars when something important happens (to do that "live" they need to stream from all cars in stage which again takes BW)

[the sniper]

Btw, if they can get a driver with Welsh accent to help in the comments (nice job from Greensmith on this one) why can’t they also take a French, a Finn or an Italian (etc.) fluently speaking English? It would be interesting to have people from other countries and break this irritating exclusive Brit line up (with Molly’s exception).

I appreciate it's not clear to a foreign ear, but Greensmith actually has a Northern English accent, specifically Manchester area. You still make a good point though, as they have Emyr Penlan on their own team who does have a very strong Welsh accent and prior to All Live had primarily (at least) been a Welsh language broadcaster. I don't know that he'd even consider English to be his first language.

[AnttiL]

PS: onboards are on again; Neuville PS is really something!

Or the Cala Flumini stages on the narrow road between the walls

I agree the timing on screen is not working. Oftentimes when the car goes to finish the clock doesn't stop. And the overall time is usually not helping. We should see the stage results instead and a flash of overall order when a driver finishes. And similarly, splits should be available all the time when showing a car amid a stage.

[sonnybobiche]

Perhaps stage times (I'd prefer current stage leader time + deltas) on the left, split times on the right, and current rally leader time + deltas in a scrolling marquee along the bottom, as they do in WEC. Although to be fair, I find it absolutely intolerable in WEC, but I think that's mainly down to there being 50+ entries, only 3 or 4 of which I actually care about.

But I think it's critical to be able to turn on the TV at any moment during a rally, turn on the live stream, and be able to tell within 5-10 seconds what the overall situation is. Currently you have to wait until the end of a stage and wait till they bring up the overall times, then pause the video and digest the numbers for a while. Unacceptable for anything less than a hardcore fan.

[AnttiL]

At least people on twitter seem to agree with this https://twitter.com/AnttiL_WRC/status/1006772965017636864

[Franky]

Map of subscribers and TOP10 countries - https://g3.nh.ee/images/pix/file82761779_wrc.png

So Estonian media outlet Delfi contacted the promoter to ask about WRC+/ All Live. The image is explains itself, but a very brief summary of the interview. The production crew size has not increased significantly. From the key roles there's a new host and producer on the production. On technical side, a line cut unit.

They also say that All Live has received lots of positive feedback (direct translation would be 'fantastic' but lets be realistic). And that they'll keep improving it and there aren't plans for new big developments before they are satisfied with the product.

Of course all that was said by their press officer.

And the link - http://sport.delfi.ee/news/auto/wrc/wrc-kanali-tellijate-statistika-paljastab-eestlastest-suuremaid-rallifanne-maailmas-ei-leidu?id=82761773

[the sniper]

Map of subscribers and TOP10 countries - https://g3.nh.ee/images/pix/file82761779_wrc.png

Incredible that the UK and US are the top 2! Probably it being presented in English helps that and hinders take up in some other countries, but it makes me think the subscriber number overall must be quite low...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The number of WRC+ subscribers would be quite revealing...

At least they sound happy with the feedback so that should encourage them to continue.

Just a thought - I wonder how many more viewers would watch if it was free (but sponsored) ?

[Essaj]

Incredible that the UK and US are the top 2! Probably it being presented in English helps that and hinders take up in some other countries, but it makes me think the subscriber number overall must be quite low...

How is it so incredible? UK is 10 times larger than Finland and yet they are still 4th*.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

How is it so incredible? UK is 10 times larger than Finland and yet they are still 4th*.

Massive sport in Finland though isnt it ? Tiny popularity in the UK...

[Essaj]

Well yeah it is as the chart shows, btw Estonia is 5th with a population just a bit over 1.3million.
For me it's surprising that there is no countries in top 10 outside of Europe expect USA. Language could be the reason for many asian countries but there must be something else going on aswell?

[the sniper]

How is it so incredible? UK is 10 times larger than Finland and yet they are still 4th*.

Well yeah it is as the chart shows, btw Estonia is 5th with a population just a bit over 1.3million.
For me it's surprising that there is no countries in top 10 outside of Europe expect USA. Language could be the reason for many asian countries but there must be something else going on aswell?

Finland and Estonia don't surprise me as they're countries as a whole that show great interest, knowledge and respect for rallying. Rallying is completely out of the mainstream spotlight in the UK and I've always thought rallying was very much a niche interest in the USA, though obviously with a population that large even something considered niche can still attract a decent audience.

From a UK perspective though, I think because everything is dwarfed by the media interest/focus on F1 here, us UK fans lose perspective. The WRC TV highlights here on Channel 5 get around 400k to 500k viewers I believe, which relatively isn't a great figure here on terrestrial TV, but as Essaj points out, is equivalent to not far off half the population of Estonia! I also think the UK has a potentially larger audience for the WRC that just isn't being served or recognised by the media. As such, Essaj is probably right, we shouldn't be surprised by All Live's apparent popularity in the UK, particularly when you figure in what I believe is rallying's proportionally higher continued popularity outside of England.

[AnttiL]

Finnish online service/tv channel Ruutu+ shows the live stages and highlights. Many pay for that for other sports and probably consider that enough of rallying coverage. Something similar in other countries?

[Tarmop]

Probably. I also don`t have all-live, because I would be too addicted to it and lose atleast 2.5 days.:D
Michelin splits, occasional all-live (radio) feed and a stage or two per day from a regional TV channel is enough.

[stefanvv]

Probably. I also don`t have all-live, because I would be too addicted to it and lose atleast 2.5 days.:D

It acquires taste. I can work at the same time all live is running at the background monitor. But of course sometimes is also useful to watch the split times and not working.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I still think there is a bigger audience but they wont pay for it.

I bet plenty watched when it was free with Promo codes...

[Tarmop]

It acquires taste. I can work at the same time all live is running at the background monitor. But of course sometimes is also useful to watch the split times and not working.

Depends what you do and where you do it.

Free watchers are definitely a big percentage. One account could handle 2 users simultaneously a few months back.

[stefanvv]

Depends what you do and where you do it.

Most of the time nothing happens, so it just runs as normal TV program. Of course You hear the commentary and that's enough most of the time.

[stefanvv]

I bet plenty watched when it was free with Promo codes...

Promo codes are not that You can watch it for free forever. They just attract new subscribers.

But I guess there are people like that, despite their passion for the sport they try to show, are too cheap to pay some money on the service.

I guess an year subscription can be earned in less than a work day for most of the people, at least it is for me.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

But I guess there are people like that, despite their passion for the sport they try to show, are too cheap to pay some money on the service.

I guess an year subscription can be earned in less than a work day for most of the people, at least it is for me.

Yeah, I bet those that watched for free on promo but stopped when it stopped didnt do so because they disliked WRC+...

[stefanvv]

Yeah, I bet those that watched for free on promo but stopped when it stopped didnt do so because they disliked WRC+...

If someone doesn't like it, it's his own business, doesn't need to repeat it 100 times on a forum, people stop reading after the second repeat anyway.

I like it enough for the money.

Somehow it doesn't fit to beat Your chest that You actually watched for free, but now You have to pay and don't like this service, but still watched when it was "for free".

[Gregor-y]

Incredible that the UK and US are the top 2! Probably it being presented in English helps that and hinders take up in some other countries, but it makes me think the subscriber number overall must be quite low...

What's really offensive is that the flags don't line up in the graphic. Some flags' stripes don't even line up with one another.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

There are things I dont like about WRC+ but the cost isnt one of them. Especially when you can pay for a month and get live coverage of two rallies...

[Franky]

I just started thinking of numbers. If Estonia has 8% share of the subscribers, then the total number can't be too high. The biggest Estonian rally forum has 3166 registered users at the moment. Now,even if we'd give it a nice number of non forum members, say 8000 Estonians who are subscribed. Then that would mean there's about 100 000 subscribers all together.

Of course, if they also included the accounts that were created to use the free promo codes, then god knows what's the true user count of WRC+

[Andre Oliveira]

We should be able to follow non stop an onboard of what driver we want for example.

[stefanvv]

I have a request as well - a drone for every 2 corners of the rally, otherwise want my money back, triple.

EDIT: and if possible, but only if possible Ogier to win 1/3 of the rallies left, The other 2/3 to be between Evans, Tanak & Suninen. Neuville preferably out of top 8.

[pantealex]

We should be able to follow non stop an onboard of what driver we want for example.

Can you do that in F1/WEC which are going circles all the time?

Some things are just too difficult/expensive to produce.

[Franky]

Can you do that in F1/WEC which are going circles all the time?

I think the F1 TV on f1.com is supposed to have that feature. Not sure, if it works or not but it was advertised. But that service is blocked for lots of countries.

[AnttiL]

The director of All Live probably often has to choose the signal that is working the best. The onboards seem to cut quite often. And I think the onboards are working by an aeroplane flying over the stage, acting as a receiver to the transmitters in the cars. If the plane is too far or the terrain is blocking, the signal does not work. This is probably the reason why the Saturday Ittiri stage wasn't shown on All Live in Sardegna, the plane wasn't there. In F1 this is a lot easier because the cars never go that far from the receivers, whose positions can be optimized and tested beforehand.

Another current sport which allows multi camera viewing is soccer, but again, it's not like you can choose which player to focus on, you have like the main view and then a couple of special angles.

[ESTR]

The director of All Live probably often has to choose the signal that is working the best. The onboards seem to cut quite often. And I think the onboards are working by an aeroplane flying over the stage, acting as a receiver to the transmitters in the cars. If the plane is too far or the terrain is blocking, the signal does not work. This is probably the reason why the Saturday Ittiri stage wasn't shown on All Live in Sardegna, the plane wasn't there. In F1 this is a lot easier because the cars never go that far from the receivers, whose positions can be optimized and tested beforehand.

Another current sport which allows multi camera viewing is soccer, but again, it's not like you can choose which player to focus on, you have like the main view and then a couple of special angles.

Yes the main player here is then Qassimi. Shown for about 1 hour and then rest of the field for minute and some others cutted.

[SubaruNorway]

The director of All Live probably often has to choose the signal that is working the best. The onboards seem to cut quite often. And I think the onboards are working by an aeroplane flying over the stage, acting as a receiver to the transmitters in the cars. If the plane is too far or the terrain is blocking, the signal does not work. This is probably the reason why the Saturday Ittiri stage wasn't shown on All Live in Sardegna, the plane wasn't there. In F1 this is a lot easier because the cars never go that far from the receivers, whose positions can be optimized and tested beforehand.

Another current sport which allows multi camera viewing is soccer, but again, it's not like you can choose which player to focus on, you have like the main view and then a couple of special angles.

Correct, the plane has a footprint of around 10km so with 2min intervall you would have usually 2-3 cars within that i guess. I can't think another live broadcasted sport that has competitors spread out like in rallying, Tour De France probably has a spread of around 5km max....?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

An option I want is 'pure sound' with no commentary, just the car noise or OB co-drivers notes. Surely that wouldn't cost anything or be difficult to do ?

(You get this on Sky F1 when you watch a driver OB).

[stefanvv]

I wish I could tell You that somebody cares about this, but....

You can watch all onboards with pure sounds as much as You like, until Your head falls off.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

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[sonnybobiche]

Pretty good Preview Magazine this time around. It was actually enjoyable to spend a few minutes recapping the previous rally.

One issue, however: the deaf guy is back in charge of the sound mix again. The commentator's audio track is way quieter than the rest of the video.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I wish I could tell You that somebody cares about this, but....

You can watch all onboards with pure sounds as much as You like, until Your head falls off.

I thought it was obvious I was talking about All Live eg. the LIVE stream, where the bloody commentators talk non-stop over everything... :rolleyes:

[Rally Power]

Great to see Kiri back; she’s brilliant.

[KKS]

Great to see Kiri back; she’s brilliant.
but she not rally person. Like Jon aswelll. And now two non-rally person talking about rally and this is terrible :(

[Doon]

Anyone having trouble to get the livestream to work? It’s useless on an iPhone, only ever worked a couple of times with chromecast, and now it won’t even stream on my PC. I regularly chromecast ice hockey in HD from the NHL with no problems, but WRC+ very rarely works

[stefanvv]

Anyone having trouble to get the livestream to work?

It works all the time today

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I tell you something that bugs me is when the driver comes to the end of the stage for interviews, the cameraman always going straight to focus on their name on the side window. I mean, as if we dont know who it is already !!

Why dont they focus on the car, looking for any damage, or the condition of the tyres...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The perfect onboard camera position in Paddon's car:

https://i.imgur.com/ZsmerB6.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

I tell you something that bugs me is when the driver comes to the end of the stage for interviews, the cameraman always going straight to focus on their name on the side window. I mean, as if we dont know who it is already !!

Why dont they focus on the car, looking for any damage, or the condition of the tyres...

Logistically, you carry a camera around stage end, stand still and film. It's all about timing and being LIVE. But a good thought - image the camera man going around the car every time and finding noting, tripping on a cable or a dumwit walking into the camera man... waste of time

[mknight]

The perfect onboard camera position in Paddon's car:


The problem with onboard cameras is that there is a very thin line between perfect and useless.

Breen this weekend was shaking on full throttle so much it was like watching under water.

Lappi "slightly" from side, meant that it always looked he was massively sideways on every left corner.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Logistically, you carry a camera around stage end, stand still and film. It's all about timing and being LIVE. But a good thought - image the camera man going around the car every time and finding noting, tripping on a cable or a dumwit walking into the camera man... waste of time

I noticed they did go around the cars at one or two stage end to show the Michelin guy checking tyre temps... no problem at all.

[Franky]

If you want to know why they show the rear side window with the names, then it's the smoothest way to move from the front of the car past the driver's door, which would be opened behind the cameraman, while he is showing the names.

By going around the car from left to right you'd most likely end up having quite many of the photographers, reporters and whoever else in the shot once they get to the driver's side.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Quote from commentator Desborough during Finland power stage... "Just listen to that engine, sounds fantastic !"... then proceeds to continue to talk all over it... :(

[sonnybobiche]

This Pierre Budar interview is TV magic.

[er88]

Missed it, what was said?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dads2PpVMAEFznk.jpg

[MentalParadox]

Image quality during the live power stage was really awful.

1626

[sindroms]

Image quality during the live power stage was really awful.

1626

I haven't seen good quality onboard picture when shadows are playing like this.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Sat transmission in trees might not be as strong as out in the open... You've got to comprimise with either a digital signal, an analogue (576i/p or less) or none what so ever.

[rallye-vid]

Get a life dude

[pantealex]

Get a life dude

I have thingt it´s She not dude :(

[sonnybobiche]

For those who missed it:

https://streamable.com/tdr91

At times like this, I love Julian Porter.

[Eli]

For those who missed it:

https://streamable.com/tdr91

At times like this, I love Julian Porter.

Thanks for that!

[sonnybobiche]

What a bunch of muppets.

[Sulland]

When can we expect them to show all splits they have on the website on AllLive?
With countdown for both the car we see, and others on other splits, cant be that hard!

And good drivers as expert commentators, that knows what is going on woild be nice.

And an alternative stram showing live timing, and stats, or mayne split screen as an option.

Why not use info that is awailable to make it exiting?

[sonnybobiche]

Right now I would be happy if the stream even worked. Was anyone in the world actually able to see the coverage of first stage?

[er88]

Bought a months subscription for this rally as I'm off work and able to watch it all weekend and find this...., stream not working. What is wrong with these people?! You'd think they'd have solved issues like this by now. It's the last time I'll pay for AllLive until I hear for sure that they've got it working properly and consistently

[rallyfiend]

I am having no problems - well, since the stage started.

[er88]

I am having no problems - well, since the stage started.Yeah it's better now. Fingers crossed it stays like this

[Myrvold]

For Turkey, with everything happening, I feel like they missed out with the breaks, they could also have shown more cars while doing interviews i a smaller window on-screen.
Most people are interested in the driving, then the actual servicing of the cars. Interviews are nice to hear, but doesn't need to take the whole screen.

[mknight]

Just re-watched coverage from SS11 where all kinds of things were happening and sadly alllive wasn't really able to follow, sticking to the rigid programme they set up.

50% of the stage coverage is watching inside of Breen's cockpit with smoke (while he was in 6th place), well it's good cause that was deviation from the "preplanned" programme. But then first Mikkelsen (from first split) and then Ogier (half way trough) get into trouble and they just keep the same schedule of following every car trough last few kms instead of switching to the rally leader or the 5time world champion.

Bit more flexibility would be nice.

[AnttiL]

It's a technical limitation that they cannot show absolutely everything they want. They have the transmitter receiver aeroplane flying above the cars, but on a 34 km stage in the mountains they have to choose the portion of the stage they're showing. If they had known that Ogier is going to crash at a certain corner, I bet they would have chosen that portion of the stage to show live. But they were expecting everything to go well and show the seaside corners at the end of the stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

My issue in Turkey was too much of the onboards and nowhere near enough stage-side camera's or heli shots.

Watching so much of the driver's or the road ahead was quite boring. The cars look great so let's see them in action !

[N.O.T]

My issue in Turkey was too much of the onboards and nowhere near enough stage-side camera's or heli shots.

Watching so much of the driver's or the road ahead was quite boring. The cars look great so let's see them in action !

make a wild guess why that is the case...

[AL14]

My personal problem is the cancelation of rally radio.
I know they were not perfect but for those like me who work in office with the computer it was very comfortable to work with the radio on the earphones and stay up to date on what was happening.
The same on saturday-sunday, if you were at home doing other stuff you could swith on the radio and follow everything.

I don't want to buy all live, the product is not good for me and I don't have the time to watch all the stages.
Any other on the same situation?

[Oliverk]

My personal problem is the cancelation of rally radio.
I know they were not perfect but for those like me who work in office with the computer it was very comfortable to work with the radio on the earphones and stay up to date on what was happening.
The same on saturday-sunday, if you were at home doing other stuff you could swith on the radio and follow everything.

I don't want to buy all live, the product is not good for me and I don't have the time to watch all the stages.
Any other on the same situation?

There i still radio link on website. You don't have to buy all live.
https://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_radio.html

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It's no longer 'radio' as such, just an audio feed of the All Live video stream.

But they really need more stage cameras and/or drones to give a better show on the live stream to make it watchable for hours.

[AL14]

There i still radio link on website. You don't have to buy all live.
https://www.wrc.com/live-ticker/live_popup_radio.html

As Eddie said that's just audio from all live. I better enjoy silence or my workmate's imprecations to clients than Desbourough telling me where the drivers are from.

[Oliverk]

As Eddie said that's just audio from all live. I better enjoy silence or my workmate's imprecations to clients than Desbourough telling me where the drivers are from.

90 procent it is Becs and Julian in all live. But you can moan anyway about free product.

[AnttiL]

Becs is always there during stages, then Desborough, Porter and King alternate as second commentator and as studio co-host

[Oliverk]

Becs is always there during stages, then Desborough, Porter and King alternate as second commentator and as studio co-host

I may be wrong, but isn't Des only in Live TV stages part?

[AnttiL]

I’m pretty sure he has also been there with Becs and with the studio hosts

[AL14]

90 procent it is Becs and Julian in all live. But you can moan anyway about free product.

I'm not moaning. I'm politely stating that I miss the time when rally radio was a radio and not the audio of a live video.
I didn't know it require too much intellect to understand that a commentary of a visual product can not keep you up to date on what happens on the rally like a radio commentary.

[AnttiL]

I'm not moaning. I'm politely stating that I miss the time when rally radio was a radio and not the audio of a live video.
I didn't know it require too much intellect to understand that a commentary of a visual product can not keep you up to date on what happens on the rally like a radio commentary.

I remember rally radio having Colin Clark describing the scenery at the location where he was interviewing the drivers or telling about his hotel breakfast, through a phone line sound quality, while waiting for cars to arrive. Sometimes there was even music played while the cars reached the finish. If someone had gone off, the only thing they could say is that he's not moving on the map or the split is missing. Now we can see what has happened, sometimes we're lucky to see it live, sometimes we can get an instant replay, sometimes we get the visual from the next car or helicopter a bit later. Even on the Audio Only, they say what's happened. Often we can even get a quick interview of the team boss after someone has retired. I think All Live Audio Only is a lot better, although I admit it's not tailored for pure listening experience, but it's a lot more informative and there's no more phone line sound quality.

[dnb]

I miss them calling split times instantly, now the commentators are enjoying the video themselves and splits are rarely mentioned.

[AL14]

I remember rally radio having Colin Clark describing the scenery at the location where he was interviewing the drivers or telling about his hotel breakfast, through a phone line sound quality, while waiting for cars to arrive. Sometimes there was even music played while the cars reached the finish. If someone had gone off, the only thing they could say is that he's not moving on the map or the split is missing. Now we can see what has happened, sometimes we're lucky to see it live, sometimes we can get an instant replay, sometimes we get the visual from the next car or helicopter a bit later. Even on the Audio Only, they say what's happened. Often we can even get a quick interview of the team boss after someone has retired. I think All Live Audio Only is a lot better, although I admit it's not tailored for pure listening experience, but it's a lot more informative and there's no more phone line sound quality.

Why you guys don't understand a very simple reasoning?

Before All live, we could listen to radio and be updated on what was happening in the stage because the commentators, being in an only audio media had to update their spectators on splits and give comment on what was happening.
The audio of a visual product do not do that because it would be stupid to update on all the split while they are showed on the screen. They just comment something that people are already watching and some information are not given.

Colin clark described the scenery before the event started and on break times... No reason to bring that to the discussion.

I'm not saying that just to say it. I actually tried to listen to the radio while working as I did for 4 years straight and it is not possible. You heard car noise, and some unclear comment and become annoying after 30 seconds.

As for the fact that you can see what happen. I'm happy for you but my statement was not against all live, but about the fact that personally I found the real radio a comfortable way to follow the rally and now I can't listen to it anymore. I hope now it's more clear.

[AnttiL]

Why you guys don't understand a very simple reasoning?

Before All live, we could listen to radio and be updated on what was happening in the stage because the commentators, being in an only audio media had to update their spectators on splits and give comment on what was happening.
The audio of a visual product do not do that because it would be stupid to update on all the split while they are showed on the screen. They just comment something that people are already watching and some information are not given.

In the radio times, most of the time we did not know what happened in the stage until the driver reached the finish or a spectator or team member sent a message from the retired/crashed/punctured car. It's true that now they cannot look at the split board all the time like in the past because it was all they had. But they still announce the split times quite often. And I think it's better to know what's happening in the stage than to know every single split.


As for the fact that you can see what happen. I'm happy for you but my statement was not against all live, but about the fact that personally I found the real radio a comfortable way to follow the rally and now I can't listen to it anymore. I hope now it's more clear.

Every now and then I have to resort to just listening to the All Live stream and to me it still works just like the radio. It's different, but it's still informative.

[sonnybobiche]

I always felt Rally Radio was 90% grating, banal (i.e. Becs Williams) banter followed by noise as we tried to hear what the driver was saying at stage end. "Oh, I think we lost Colin there, apologies." You can't keep apologizing for the same problem for ten years, you halfwits!

Most of the things I really dislike about All Live are the ones that remind me of Rally Radio.

[denkimi]

The thing is, that rally radio and television are two very different media's. You can't just stream the audio of a video and claim it to be radio.

Yes, its easier to follow the rally on a video screen, but for those of us who can only listen to it for some reason, rally radio has now become useless.

[Tarmop]

Umh, expet for that small chit-chat, music, it is better and more accurate. Like mentioned, you get to hear, when someone has an off or has stopped for some reason right away, not after 5 minutes, then wait for a reason etc. Times, also splits and comments are also there like before.

[AnttiL]

rally radio has now become useless.

I refuse to believe this. It's different, but definitely not useless.

Maybe a sensation of the rally radio – the mutual feeling of not knowing what's happening in the stage – is now gone and replaced with the emptiness of being left out of something that others have – the visual effect.

[AL14]

I refuse to believe this. It's different, but definitely not useless.

Maybe a sensation of the rally radio – the mutual feeling of not knowing what's happening in the stage – is now gone and replaced with the emptiness of being left out of something that others have – the visual effect.

What can we say. we are happy for you if you still enjoy the audio of a television without being able to see it. We don't.

[giu canbera]

Rally Turkey on Friday was my first time listening to the wrc live radio, cuz I wasnt at home to watch. I really ejoyed tbh.. But seeing you guys saying it was better before cuz now its only "someone saying whats on the wrc+ screen" ...idk.. I just got a little sad about it haha

[AnttiL]

What can we say. we are happy for you if you still enjoy the audio of a television without being able to see it. We don't.

who we?

[AL14]

who we?

Nevermind

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I always felt Rally Radio was 90% grating, banal (i.e. Becs Williams) banter followed by noise as we tried to hear what the driver was saying at stage end. "Oh, I think we lost Colin there, apologies." You can't keep apologizing for the same problem for ten years, you halfwits!

Most of the things I really dislike about All Live are the ones that remind me of Rally Radio.

Agree with this. The carry over of Becs & Co. to All Live also carries on the amateurish feel and their need for 'banter'.

It would be great to have a proper serious commentary like other sports get...

[dnb]

what i find annoying:
*every now and then starting a sentence with "if you're just joining us..." omg, we can rewind or look back from the start
*constantly praising the All Live "look how fantastic we are, this is so awsome, etc" - we bought the product, so no need to try selling us the product again
*some bimbo replying to every sentence Porter tells "yap, yeah, wow"
I don't think there should be a main presenter in the studio who does not know much about the sport.

[Franky]

what i find annoying:
*every now and then starting a sentence with "if you're just joining us..." omg, we can rewind or look back from the start

They actually do have to do recaps. It might sound stupid to most, but it's literally a wise thing to do. Only thing is how exactly.



*constantly praising the All Live "look how fantastic we are, this is so awsome, etc" - we bought the product, so no need to try selling us the product again

Agree with it. But they've got that stupid audio feed that they've titled 'radio' where they have some people not interested in the video.


*some bimbo replying to every sentence Porter tells "yap, yeah, wow"
I don't think there should be a main presenter in the studio who does not know much about the sport.

Would you be okay, if they'd do a yoga segment with her in the morning before the start of first loop?


The thing that annoys me the most is when they start apologising, if someone swore. Yes, emphasis it even more by giving it more attention than just gliding over it.

[AnttiL]

The thing that annoys me the most is when they start apologising, if someone swore. Yes, emphasis it even more by giving it more attention than just gliding over it.

Is that a legal thing?

[Franky]

Is that a legal thing?

I suspect it's more to do with them being British.

There are some limitations when it comes to TV channels (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1738_respect/page9.shtml). But AllLive is not a TV channel.

[pantealex]

Is that a legal thing?

Probably in some countries, there could be day time limitations (USA? or like in Finland you can only show violence after 9PM)

[T16]

I suspect it's more to do with them being British.

There are some limitations when it comes to TV channels (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1738_respect/page9.shtml). But AllLive is not a TV channel.

Could be they are just being polite. Maybe because kids are possibly listening.

[Rally Power]

I suspect it's more to do with them being British.


Btw, why do they only have Brits (Molly being the exception)? With half of the world speaking English, how hard is to get experienced commentaters from other countries? Speaking of Molly, she’s quite nice and has a good knowledge of the sport; why not give her a try as main host and let her have the post on a permanent basis?

As many said, overall the service can still be improved, but it’s fantastic to follow a rally through All Live; it’s probably one of the best WRC upgrades ever. I just regret RB/MH took so long to do it.

[Franky]

Could be they are just being polite. Maybe because kids are possibly listening.

In my experience at least 25% of the time that politeness is not being honest and not saying how things really are.

Children know more than you think.

[Andre Oliveira]

Today i sent this email to WRC+ support. What you think about it?

“Hi, my name is André Oliveira and i am WRC+ All Live user. I have one idea to WRC+ All Live exclusive chat between users (who real paid for it) and WRC+ comentators. Something like a quick and exclusive line of communication. Thanks for the attention.”

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Anyone else unable to un-subscribe ? I dont see any such option on my Profile page ?

[EstWRC]

Just did it yesterday

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I've done it before no problem but now I cant get it to work. What do I click on ?

https://i.imgur.com/NDVnPA2.jpg

[EstWRC]

there must be cancel subscription button just under this windows that you posted...in the right corner below

[AL14]

Just did it yesterday

Don't give up so early, it's not over yet :D

[EstWRC]

haha you :D ...man i really miss your jokes and humour here, you used to be here more often in the old days.

and dont worry, I have not given up, I just have my own system how to pay to them...I will activate it again before Spain ;)

[AL14]

haha you :D ...man i really miss your jokes and humour here, you used to be here more often in the old days.

and dont worry, I have not given up, I just have my own system how to pay to them...I will activate it again before Spain ;)

Haha thanks! It will soon be like in the past though. :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sorted it. :)

When I last subscribed I was on holiday and had to do it via the App. So I had to go into Google Play and cancel it from there.

Like EstWRC I'll pay from Spain and this will cover Australia too.

[the sniper]

First part of an in depth look at All Live and the wider WRC TV operation: https://f1broadcasting.co/2018/10/17/how-all-live-is-changing-the-face-of-rallying-foundations/

[Japé]

It might be now an unique opportunity for wrc+ team to do a funny group interview in a wrc+ studio with a Loeb, Solberg brothers, Block and Al Qassimi.

[racerx1979]

Are they doing full shakedown coverage now?? Great news if this is going to happen at every rally!!

[Essaj]

What is wrong with WRC+ in Catalunya? Where is the coverage over WRC2? For the first time this season WRC2 battle is actually super interesting with the WRC2 champion battling against "future world champion", 2 brand new Polo R5's and which one is driven by WRC legend Petter Solberg, super fast local etc. but instead we're watching Al Qassimi cruising through the next stage in a WRC3 speed, some pointless interview or a rotating GPS maps. Please there is a lot of people who want to see WRC2, now all we get is a 1min "highlight" video on youtube at the end of the day.

[tommeke_B]

When you see Colin Clark annoying spectators in the service park for some reactions, rather than showing the WRC2 cars going through the final stage, you know it's time to shut it off...

[MentalParadox]

Why is Petter Solberg not in view more often? I mean, come on. We got Loeb, Solberg in a brand new car and even Block driving around. They didn't even show Block's crash on day 1, and there's no trace of Solberg (or any WRC2 car for that matter) on re-live. Why not? What were they thinking?

[AL14]

Why that camera pointing to the wheel of Suninen? What's the point? lol

[sonnybobiche]

Why the hell are we seeing a rotating map and not analysis from the studio, a prerecorded interview, WRC2 coverage, highlights from earlier in the rally, older editions of rally Spain, live stream from the service park, or even video of kittens playing with yarn?

The FIA bans a lot of things. They should ban that freaking map.

[dodge33cymru]

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All three main categories were separated by under 10 seconds at the end of this rally and they were changing throughout.

Not to mention, it's hard enough for young drivers to get backing and sponsors these days, at least let them have some screen time. Solans v Franceschi in R2 not mentioned once and hardly any mention today of the other Solans' efforts to topple the Skodas.

Get these guys some screen time if you want to enhance the value of your championship to them, to the manufacturers involved and to your audience; take a look at how it's done in endurance racing.

[N.O.T]

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so you want coverage of a dead category where competition is crap because we had some wildcards on one event...

welsh people... it cannot get any worse.

[macebig]

Why is Petter Solberg not in view more often? I mean, come on. We got Loeb, Solberg in a brand new car and even Block driving around. They didn't even show Block's crash on day 1, and there's no trace of Solberg (or any WRC2 car for that matter) on re-live. Why not? What were they thinking?

Well,WRC is run by Red Bull. They aren't going to give much air time to people sponsored by a competitor(Monster Energy)...

[sonnybobiche]

On a positive note about the coverage, Abi Stephens is a gem of a lead presenter. Molly is great alongside her. Julian too.


Come to think of it, is there any other sport with two female presenters who are this good? I'm a male chauvinist pig and even I'm impressed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I quite enjoyed the coverage apart from the usual stages with Desborough.

Becs and Julian are decent and at least have some pauses let us hear the cars, and co-drivers during on-boards.

[AL14]

Yeah coverage is good. Maybe it could be better when they try to go technical. Sometimes they overreact to facts or understimate others. But overall it's nice. Me too I like the ladies and Julian Porter especially.

[Rally Power]

On a positive note about the coverage, Abi Stephens is a gem of a lead presenter.

Hard to agree; still missing the initial blond and still thinking Molly would be great for the job. Btw, nice effort to get non Brits stage commenters (Ostberg and Guerra this time); hope it’ll be continued. Chopper and fixed cameras kept providing state of the art footage; it’s just a pitty having so little WRC2 time, like most have already mentioned. Overall, first year valuation seems quite positive.

[dupanton]

On a positive note about the coverage, Abi Stephens is a gem of a lead presenter. Molly is great alongside her. Julian too.




But I hate her voice so much...

Other than that, I like it a lot. Yes there are a few improvements possible, but still happy to be subscribed :)

[Essaj]

Yeah coverage is good. Maybe it could be better when they try to go technical. Sometimes they overreact to facts or understimate others. But overall it's nice. Me too I like the ladies and Julian Porter especially.

Porter is worst for me - His "Know-it-all" comments pisses me off when most of the time he is talking absolute shit.
Also Colin Clark is horrible at stage end interviews he just seems to push negative things onto drivers "You're 2 secs slower than X driver what's the problem?" "That stage time is not good, what's wrong?" What does he think the drivers will answer to that - Just ask "how was the stage".

Like with when Ott had his puncture I think it was Molly who asked him "How do you feel now after losing 2minutes?" does she actually wait for the driver to answer something analytic? Of course they will either answer something sarcastic like "I'm very happy" or just drive away.

how to make AllLive better: Show more WRC2 and even Jwrc/WRC3 (even highlights if not live) Now all we have is 1min highlight per day which "covers" the top-3, skip the fking GPS map and show highlights instead from the previous stage/day/rally/year, stop with the negative stage end interviews and if the driver faces problems it's even better to just let them sit there quietly if they don't feel like speaking than just asking "you must be dissapointed?", Times on the screen should be stage times not overall results - commentators can then speak how the stage time of driver x might change the standings in overall classification. Have more guest commentators - both Mads and Benito did a great job with that.

[mknight]

Like with when Ott had his puncture I think it was Molly who asked him "How do you feel now after losing 2minutes?" does she actually wait for the driver to answer something analytic? Of course they will either answer something sarcastic like "I'm very happy" or just drive away.


Obviously that extra question (he already said a bit) was completely unnecessary.

Basically for whole 2018 it seems to me like there is some bad chemistry between Molly and Tanak. He sounds even more annoyed than usual when talking to her and she often asks him "trigger/stupid" questions that she doesn't ask other drivers

[AnttiL]

Basically for whole 2018 it seems to me like there is some bad chemistry between Molly and Tanak. He sounds even more annoyed than usual when talking to her and she often asks him "trigger/stupid" questions that she doesn't ask other drivers

True. Remember Wales with "where did you get the puncture?" "In the stage!"

It also seems Ott has been more frustrated-sarcastic in his stage end interviews this year. Usually he looks at the interviewer in a way which says "why do you keep asking these stupid things".



Also Colin Clark is horrible at stage end interviews he just seems to push negative things onto drivers "You're 2 secs slower than X driver what's the problem?" "That stage time is not good, what's wrong?" What does he think the drivers will answer to that - Just ask "how was the stage".


I think the point here is that the drivers don't know the times yet when they arrive at the interview point. Clark also often praises drivers when they have made a great time. He's quite emotional and enthusiastic. It's his persona and role.

[mknight]

True. Remember Wales with "where did you get the puncture?" "In the stage!"



Not sure it was wales, but I do remember at least 2 moments like this and also that it was Molly and Tanak. Something there isn't working.

[Essaj]

I think the point here is that the drivers don't know the times yet when they arrive at the interview point. Clark also often praises drivers when they have made a great time. He's quite emotional and enthusiastic. It's his persona and role.

Still wont change the fact that it's negative. He always seems to assume that time loss, even a small one is a bad thing. Some drivers might have been happy with their run, given their all on the stage and still the first thing they hear after crossing the finish line is "OOOH You seem to lose a lot of time to driver X here, what happened?" even thought the gap might have been just few seconds.

And as you mentioned drivers don't even know how they compare to others at that point, still they hear that kind of negativity even they might have only lost a sec or a two.

[AL14]

Still wont change the fact that it's negative. He always seems to assume that time loss, even a small one is a bad thing. Some drivers might have been happy with their run, given their all on the stage and still the first thing they hear after crossing the finish line is "OOOH You seem to lose a lot of time to driver X here, what happened?" even thought the gap might have been just few seconds.

And as you mentioned drivers don't even know how they compare to others at that point, still they hear that kind of negativity even they might have only lost a sec or a two.

Well, only asking "how was the stage" everytime sounds quite boring and you will expect normal answer. He is a journalist and tries to make the driver say something interesting with that. I don't blame him for that behaviour.
As for Molly and Tanak I agree though, asking "how disappointed are you" in the stage where he lost his championship is not the smartest question possible.

[stefanvv]

Still wont change the fact that it's negative. He always seems to assume that time loss, even a small one is a bad thing.Some drivers might have been happy with their run, given their all on the stage and still the first thing they hear after crossing the finish line is "OOOH You seem to lose a lot of time to driver X here, what happened?" even thought the gap might have been just few seconds.

Why is negative/bad thing. Every driver responds what has happened in the stage, more or less, how he feels the car, etc, things that might be interesting for the spectators. Even they're happy with their driving, something still might not be quite right with the car.

[Essaj]

Well, only asking "how was the stage" everytime sounds quite boring and you will expect normal answer. He is a journalist and tries to make the driver say something interesting with that. I don't blame him for that behaviour.
As for Molly and Tanak I agree though, asking "how disappointed are you" in the stage where he lost his championship is not the smartest question possible.

It does but there could be some variables with their questions. It's either "WOW AMAZING TIME" or "YOU LOST TIME IS EVERYTHING OKAY?!?" dno if that's really that much more interesting. For me it's annoying.
I don't know how to do it but those stage end questions could be a big improvement to whole WRC All Live concept.


Why is negative/bad thing. Every driver responds what has happened in the stage, more or less, how he feels the car, etc, things that might be interesting for the spectators. Even they're happy with their driving, something still might be quite right with the car.

Because how I see it, it's almost always the same thing when Colin is at the stage end. He lives and breaths WRC but making those negative and akward questions which always end up to drivers blunt answer and many times it's for nothing.

[er88]

Had picked up on ( as others have throughout the season) that Tanak is getting moodier in a sarky way. Didn't realise it was just with Molly though, or if that's wide of the mark.

Maybe just a result of being up at the front regularly and having more at stake, which can = more frustration at times and a lot more tension. Or maybe it is a genuine problem he has with her.

[PLuto]

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All three main categories were separated by under 10 seconds at the end of this rally and they were changing throughout.

Not to mention, it's hard enough for young drivers to get backing and sponsors these days, at least let them have some screen time. Solans v Franceschi in R2 not mentioned once and hardly any mention today of the other Solans' efforts to topple the Skodas.

Get these guys some screen time if you want to enhance the value of your championship to them, to the manufacturers involved and to your audience; take a look at how it's done in endurance racing.

Solans and Franceschi were not registered to WRC3. Who is not registered, doesnt exist for promoter so no sense to any promotion for them (to say the truth, also lot of registered drivers almost doesnt exist for promoter).

All in all, crews in supporting championships in WRC are "second league" in terms of interest and media coverage.

[AnttiL]

Who is not registered, doesnt exist for promoter so no sense to any promotion for them (to say the truth, also lot of registered drivers almost doesnt exist for promoter)

Except for Rovanperä in Monte Carlo and Henning Solberg in Turkey. They made the TV broadcasts, probably for the lack of competitive cars to show and their popularity value.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I've listened to Julian Porter for years from the ERC rally radio. But he is getting a bit OTT on All Live trying to call every possible incident. Like a being sure its a puncture just from seeing a bit of understeer. He needs to chill out.

[AL14]

I've listened to Julian Porter for years from the ERC rally radio. But he is getting a bit OTT on All Live trying to call every possible incident. Like a being sure its a puncture just from seeing a bit of understeer. He needs to chill out.

At Loeb's power stage he totally fucked up lol
But I must admit that it seemed to me too that he had some kind of puncture or similar.

[Japé]

As written here before, one of the biggest issues with WRC+ crew (as with the whole motorsport media industry) is that they are mainly British. In itself it is not bad (uncounting exceptions like Colin Clark being too British), but like WRC+ crew they most of the time give comments either with deliberate or unintentional tone of voice and act the way that hypes and favours Meeke, Evans, Breen, Greensmith, etc and disfavours the non-English drivers. This is very annoying. Since Esperanto was not success, I assume English will dominate media also the next decades before Chinese, but yet Motorsport media should re-teach themselves to behave more objective towards drivers from different nationalities (and also remember that not everyone in the sport is fluent in English). This continuous favouring of English drivers is quite big issue, since effecting strongly to media, results will be seen in all media monitoring e.g. in companies that sponsor drivers and this favours then drivers only from UK, eventually reducing the chances from others and not giving them what they would deserve. The more WRC drivers we would have from multiple countries / continents the better it would be for the future of the WRC.

[AndyRAC]

What English drivers?? Meeke is from Ulster, Evans is Welsh, Breen is from Eire......

Whether you like it or not, English is the universal language; I think people are over reacting to supposed pro-British comments. A lot of motorsport series have UK commentators/ analysts, and I don't think there is much favouritism, in some cases, it's quite the opposite.

[Essaj]

What English drivers?? Meeke is from Ulster, Evans is Welsh, Breen is from Eire......

Whether you like it or not, English is the universal language; I think people are over reacting to supposed pro-British comments. A lot of motorsport series have UK commentators/ analysts, and I don't think there is much favouritism, in some cases, it's quite the opposite.

Japé prob ment UK drivers but you haven't been on the same the same WRC AllLive broadcast if you think that there is no favouritism :D

[dupanton]

How many times they have mentioned Meeke returning with Toyota next year, while other drivers were on the stages... It was getting a bit ridiculous...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC+ struggled to interview Ogier & Loeb at the media zones and there were other tv crews all over the service park in Spain. There is clearly good coverage from other non-English language sources.

[dnb]

What English drivers?? Meeke is from Ulster, Evans is Welsh, Breen is from Eire......

Whether you like it or not, English is the universal language; I think people are over reacting to supposed pro-British comments. A lot of motorsport series have UK commentators/ analysts, and I don't think there is much favouritism, in some cases, it's quite the opposite.

European F3 commentator for example was constantly cheering for the 'UK driver', even more than @wrc. For any of the global products, there shouldn't be favouritism. Guest commentators are a good choice, bring in more people.

[traxx]

Live shakedown in Australia ?

[PLuto]

Live shakedown in Australia ?

It is time. Shakedown starts at 8:00 of local time, so we still have more than one hour and half to go...

[traxx]

Will it be broadcated on WRC+ as we can saw Spain shakedown ?

[EstWRC]

WATCH the Rally Australia shakedown stage LIVE on the WRC Facebook page from 8.30am AEDST

[traxx]

Oh, yes, right, it was a Facebook live, thanks

[er88]

Why would they not put the live shakedown on AllLive/WRC+ as well? OR will they? Those are the paying customers after all.

And if they're promoting it free by putting it on Facebook, then stream it on other sites too like YouTube etc.

[the sniper]

They did put it on You Tube retrospectively for Spain.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Remember I had trouble cancelling WRC+ after Rally GB, then I realised I had to do it through Google Play as that's how I'd last subscribed ? So I cancelled it there.

Well since then I've still had an active subscription without paying again (for Rally Spain) on https://plus.wrc.com/en/ , and it's still working now. :)

[drive]

studio shots: MRF tyre 'table' instead of Michelin?? wtf... :)

[AnttiL]

https://twitter.com/Becsywecsy/status/1063210525495099392

Becs saying the harsh language apologizing is a legal thing

[Franky]

https://twitter.com/Becsywecsy/status/1063210525495099392

Becs saying the harsh language apologizing is a legal thing

Broadcast law for (subscription) web stream?

[Päss1928]

https://twitter.com/Becsywecsy/status/1063210525495099392

Becs saying the harsh language apologizing is a legal thing

The apologising drives me nuts. What kind of people live in UK that get offended when somebody else says "shit"? But whatever, atleast they are still allowed to say it.

[sonnybobiche]

The media zone segments were SO much better earlier in the season. Molly and Julian running around all those people, pushing other journos out of the way to get a LIVE comment from a driver, it was actually engaging to watch. It felt real! Now it's all back to just being pre-recorded interviews with drivers giving their pre-packaged answers. They should stop showing that (LIVE) watermark during the media zone interviews. It's false advertising.

And it's also ruining the studio segments! Instead of the interesting, lively discussion we used to get, now we get the following:

Bloore: "OK that was Molly with a boring interview of Hayden Paddon. What do you think of Hayden's day today, Julian?"

Porter: "Well, it's like that saying, you know? It's all just kinda--"

Bloore: "Indeed, indeed. OK, now here's a boring interview of Teemu Suninen, he's with Molly."

Repeat 12x.

Why are they dealing with the enormous complexity and cost of putting together a live broadcast if all they're doing is this lame pre-recorded stuff that should be part of the daily highlights video? There's no spontaneity, no joy in this show lately. It feels like they're all just doing math homework and their teacher is a dull German man.


You know, the Red Bull TV coverage is actually a highlights program, but it feels raw, and way more energetic and immediate than All Live does lately. Whoever produces that show should be brought in as a consultant for this one. This year was okay, but next year needs to be good, or I'm gonna stop paying.

[AnttiL]

We had Becs reaching for drivers in Media Zone in Catalunya. Haven’t watched them in Australia though

[KKS]

Now they take care about polite and good stuff around a brand, and in LIVE commentary could be anything that can hurt them. That's why they start to put pre-recorded, edited, without any truth that can hurt comments.

[Rally Power]

All live worths every cent it costs, but they should provide a ‘no comment’ option. With all the onboard, heli and even fixed cameras we now can get a perfect sense of the drivers speed flow but sadly we never fully enjoy it because Becs & Company simply can’t be quiet for more than 15s!

It’d be great if somehow they realize that pure sound images also work on a sports TV show and there’s no need to be talking all the time, like as in the Radio.

[KKS]

All live worths every cent it costs, but they should provide a ‘no comment’ option. With all the onboard, heli and even fixed cameras we now can get a perfect sense of the drivers speed flow but sadly we never fully enjoy it because Becs & Company simply can’t be quiet for more than 15s!

It’d be great if somehow they realize that pure sound images also work on a sports TV show and there’s no need to be talking all the time, like as in the Radio.
They simply can't do that. That germans who make a web player didn't do that.
And all action shoot in 50fps and we watch only in 25fps with a poorest bitrate of 2000kbps. It would be perfect in 2010, but not in 2018

[Fast Eddie WRC]

All live worths every cent it costs, but they should provide a ‘no comment’ option. With all the onboard, heli and even fixed cameras we now can get a perfect sense of the drivers speed flow but sadly we never fully enjoy it because Becs & Company simply can’t be quiet for more than 15s!

It’d be great if somehow they realize that pure sound images also work on a sports TV show and there’s no need to be talking all the time, like as in the Radio.

Couldn't agree more !

Tell them in the survey.
http://news.wrcplus.com/r/jiyjxQi1390ms198.html

[sonnybobiche]

I must say the last day of coverage was much improved. Just the right mix of insightful commentary and off-the-cuff badinage. The Media Zone interviews were clearly live, which was great to see. The Becs interview of Ogier and then Malcolm was TV magic.

Why do you guys think that onboards without any kind of commentary would be interesting? I'm a pretty hardcore fan and even I can't see myself watching that for more than five minutes before tuning out.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

For one thing, with the OBs you could hear the pacenotes properly.

You could also hear the car, especially on the TV live stages with more stage cameras.

I'd happily follow the screen graphics for the info and splits... and better without someone telling you stuff you already know.

But its only an option we want... not to be made compulsory.

[Franky]

When watching the stages during the last round, I started thinking that Becs does not fit the TV commentator role at all. There's a big difference between a radio and TV commentator. The latter does not have to describe you what you already see.

With onboards, I think if they'd do like 30 second breaks from time to time, it would be enough. If it is longer, then you might start to think that they've gone out for lunch or sth.

[Japé]

I could watch "Onboard action" section in WRC+ for hours, but unfortunately the video quality in all uploaded material is so poor that sometimes you can't separate road from woods. Also the differences in engine sound vs. co-driver volume are changing based to rally, car, etc and there is no possibility to balance those separately. Luckily there is sometimes some onboards with ok quality that you can use to compare pacenotes between drivers.

Other nice feature is the Specials sub-section under "Highlights" section that includes some documents and older material but could be more, e.g. old yearly reviews starting from 80's. Now waiting for End of season gala 2018 video - always nice to see drivers and other important rally persons on more relaxed party feeling!

[Andre Oliveira]

Anyone saw the promocode of Black Friday?

Valid till when?
If used, will be one year starting now or after the current one ends?

[KKS]

what a promocode?

[EstWRC]

BLACK FRIDAY SALE!
20% OFF ON THE WRC+ ALL LIVE ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION

LIMITED TIME ONLY. You can save 20% off on the WRC+ ALL LIVE annual subscription and enjoy all 2019 events LIVE & on-demand, expert analysis, behind the scenes, all highlights & all driver's onboard videos of every stage @ wrcplus.com.


Use promo code:
BLACKFRIDAY18

[Andre Oliveira]

I can’t use it to renew :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mine is still running for free anyway... I'll see how long it lasts. ;)

[the sniper]

BLACK FRIDAY SALE!
20% OFF ON THE WRC+ ALL LIVE ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION

Use promo code:
BLACKFRIDAY18

Thanks for the heads up on this! Luckily my monthly subscription expired Tuesday just gone, I didn't renew, awaiting a free month promo code before Monte from the Autosport Show. Don't have to rely on that now, this is the same cost as the 8 months I'd have paid otherwise, plus you get the off season for free. I somewhat regret ploughing through most of the 'specials' documentaries on Tuesday now though!

I wonder whether they'll upload more stuff on WRC+ over the off season? Going by what BT Sport broadcast in the UK a couple of years ago, I'm sure they've got some more shows in their archives. There's at least a 'Greatest Rallies: Rally GB' 1 hour documentary and season review shows for every season from 2001 onwards ('01 & '02 are 30 minutes, the rest 1 hour iirc). It's a big shame that Motorsport Network got the rights to the Duke Video archive, as they'd got a lot of WRC stuff that'd be ideal for WRC+...

[KiwiWRCfan]

Julian Porter provides a lot of detail on what is involved to produce WRC+ All Live coverage in the latest Absolute Rally Podcast. The logistics and number of people involved are staggering https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-89dpi-9ffa3c

[Andre Oliveira]

Dear WRC+ user,

Thanks for your request and your interest in WRC+.

Please kindly be informed that unfortunately you can only use this promo if you don’t have an
active subscription.

Apologies for any inconveniences caused.

[Isokello]

Dear WRC+ user,

Thanks for your request and your interest in WRC+.

Please kindly be informed that unfortunately you can only use this promo if you don’t have an
active subscription.

Apologies for any inconveniences caused.

Yep, I received same message from support. I'm pretty frustrated. We've sent few messages with the support. They didn't mention anywhere at promo email that it can't be used with active subscription.

This is from latest message:

"It is thanks to your honest feedback and opinions that we can ensure the best possible service is provided.

We have forwarded your email to the necessary departments and the issue will be discussed"

[doubled1978]

Julian Porter provides a lot of detail on what is involved to produce WRC+ All Live coverage in the latest Absolute Rally Podcast. The logistics and number of people involved are staggering https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-89dpi-9ffa3c

Just goes to show what an immense undertaking it is to provide the All Live service. Personally I think it has been fantastic, and I have found it an absolute bargain really, ok there have been a couple of frustrations along the way, but overall brilliant.

[tommeke_B]

Dear WRC+ user,

Thanks for your request and your interest in WRC+.

Please kindly be informed that unfortunately you can only use this promo if you don’t have an
active subscription.

Apologies for any inconveniences caused.

I canceled my subscription to WRC+ all live. Will probably take one again just before Monte Carlo. It's been the same every year, no promos for people who were already subscribed.

[spiderem]

Dear WRC+ user,

Thanks for your request and your interest in WRC+.

Please kindly be informed that unfortunately you can only use this promo if you don’t have an
active subscription.

Apologies for any inconveniences caused.

Just use another email address!

[GGMU]

Can at least two persons watch wrc+ at same time in the same account?

[SubaruNorway]

The time and effort to bring us All Live is insane so you should be a bit more appreciative for the product and price we're getting and not be so proud about dodging payments and things like that because it can suddenly be gone again if not supported properly by us.
The hours they put into it makes my 15-20 hours of planning for an event look tiny.

Lots of info at 6min in the podcast.
What other sport gets close to 325 hours of live broadcast, over 30 hours of highlights and about 580 hours of onboard in a year?
I can't think of any.

15 onboard camera kits at over a 100.000 pounds for one kit...

[Duvel]

The time and effort to bring us All Live is insane so you should be a bit more appreciative for the product and price we're getting and not be so proud about dodging payments and things like that because it can suddenly be gone again if not supported properly by us.
The hours they put into it makes my 15-20 hours of planning for an event look tiny.

Lots of info at 6min in the podcast.
What other sport gets close to 325 hours of live broadcast, over 30 hours of highlights and about 580 hours of onboard in a year?
I can't think of any.

15 onboard camera kits at over a 100.000 pounds for one onboard unit...

Totaly agree, i payed my subscribtion an was satisfied from what i got in return.

Seeying al stages live is such a revolution, also what rally needs to survive and grow in my opinion.

Value for money is more than right if you ask me!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The time and effort to bring us All Live is insane so you should be a bit more appreciative for the product and price we're getting and not be so proud about dodging payments and things like that because it can suddenly be gone again if not supported properly by us.
The hours they put into it makes my 15-20 hours of planning for an event look tiny.

Lots of info at 6min in the podcast.
What other sport gets close to 325 hours of live broadcast, over 30 hours of highlights and about 580 hours of onboard in a year?
I can't think of any.

15 onboard camera kits at over a 100.000 pounds for one onboard unit...

I've paid in monthly sections and got two rallies for each subscription which is good value.

And I cancelled after Rally GB to wait for the next two-rally period but found I could still watch. Not dodging payment, just their incompetence.

[Googol]

Rallying is a rather small sport, and much more difficult to broadcast than events that happen in a fixed place. With that in mind, I find the price rather cheap. Of course there are plenty of sports that have more coverage, but most of them are more popular too.

Having an option to get every rally cheaper than the year subscription is pretty dumb from them though.

[stefanvv]

I've paid in monthly sections and got two rallies for each subscription which is good value.

And I cancelled after Rally GB to wait for the next two-rally period but found I could still watch. Not dodging payment, just their incompetence.

Did You wrote to them about this problem?

[gheeD]

Not much of a discount anyway when paying per month is 10 euros cheaper.

[AnttiL]

Not much of a discount anyway when paying per month is 10 euros cheaper.

You unsubscribe in the winter and in the summer when there's no rallies?

[the sniper]

Having an option to get every rally cheaper than the year subscription is pretty dumb from them though.

While I was happy to take them up on the offer, I'm not sure why they offer 20% off the full year in the first place, particularly just for Black Friday! I get the first month free code, as that draws people in, but this was just a gift. If they're happy with €71 though, I'm certainly happy with the amazing value offered at €71/£64.

[T16]

I've paid in monthly sections and got two rallies for each subscription which is good value.

And I cancelled after Rally GB to wait for the next two-rally period but found I could still watch. Not dodging payment, just their incompetence.

You brag about here all the time and you have the option to contact them and put it right.
It’s your dishonesty.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You brag about here all the time and you have the option to contact them and put it right.
It’s your dishonesty.

Not bragging just stating a fact. And I did contact them to ask to cancel so where am I dishonest ?

They told me to do it via google play. I cancelled through google play. That's all I need to do. They knew I was cancelling so its their fault its not been cancelled on the website.


WRC+ <support@service-plus.wrc.com>
Wed, 10 Oct, 19:35
to me

Dear WRC+ user,

Thanks for your request and your interest in WRC+.

If you have subscribed to WRC+ via Google Play Store, we are not able to cancel your subscription. For doing so, please do the following:

Open the Google Play Store app.
Tap Menu Menu and then Account and then Subscriptions.
Find the WRC+ subscription.
Tap Cancel.

[gheeD]

Yeah. If you only pay for months when there are rallies (most months would have 2 rallies per) it would be 7 months of subscription. Thats 10 euros cheaper than the black friday deal.

[AnttiL]

I'm such a geek that I often watch old onboards and highlights just for fun, so I wouldn't like to constantly cut the subscription, but I'm completely happy to pay this price for the service they offer.

[Revman]

I happily pay the price for WRC+. In the States, rally coverage is nil, so this is my lifeline. I love this service, and I believe that the WRC is on the leading edge of motorsports coverage with this. Love it, and I will pay whatever they charge. With no racing in the offseason, I love spending time watching inboard footage of the various stages to continue my learning process of this awesome sport.

[T16]

Not bragging just stating a fact. And I did contact them to ask to cancel so where am I dishonest ?

They told me to do it via google play. I cancelled through google play. That's all I need to do. They knew I was cancelling so its their fault its not been cancelled on the website.


WRC+ <support@service-plus.wrc.com>
Wed, 10 Oct, 19:35
to me

Dear WRC+ user,

Thanks for your request and your interest in WRC+.

If you have subscribed to WRC+ via Google Play Store, we are not able to cancel your subscription. For doing so, please do the following:

Open the Google Play Store app.
Tap Menu Menu and then Account and then Subscriptions.
Find the WRC+ subscription.
Tap Cancel.


Bragging when you’re doing you little ‘wink’ that you have done when going in about it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

T16, your determination to mis-interpret everything I say never ceases to amaze. Get a life and stop trolling me.

[T16]

T16, your determination to mis-interpret everything I say never ceases to amaze. Get a life and stop trolling me.

I thought this wa a discussion forum Edward. Not trolling at all, but you do seem to be gleeful about getting free WRC+ and like a few have mentioned, they need every penny they can get because of the huge infrastructure.

[stefanvv]

So much fuss about few tens Euros. I'm completely happy with my annual subscription and would pay next year if it's twice the price.

Eddie, when You don't pay(support) a shit about this service, You have no right to criticize, I'm little tired of Your ramblings every time someone writes something on this thread.

[tommeke_B]

Having subscribed as probably one of the first, after Finland 2014, and when WRC ALL LIVE came out I immediately took my credit card to do the upgrade. Even while I've seen maybe only 5 stages on all live, it's been worth every cent. I cancelled my subscription. I don't really care about 10 or 20 euros, but it's somehow unpleasant to see discounts to the "new" people all the time, while as a loyal customer they automatically renew your subscription at the maximum price. So next year, with Monte Carlo, I'll probably take a subscription again, hopefully with some benefits that come for the "new" subscribers. :)

[stefanvv]

Having subscribed as probably one of the first, after Finland 2014, and when WRC ALL LIVE came out I immediately took my credit card to do the upgrade. Even while I've seen maybe only 5 stages on all live, it's been worth every cent. I cancelled my subscription. I don't really care about 10 or 20 euros, but it's somehow unpleasant to see discounts to the "new" people all the time, while as a loyal customer they automatically renew your subscription at the maximum price. So next year, with Monte Carlo, I'll probably take a subscription again, hopefully with some benefits that come for the "new" subscribers. :)

May be they should allow promo codes only for new subscribers. Less stupid posts on the forum.

[rallyfiend]

The idea that anyone who takes the time to post on a WRC-specific forum on the internet is truly trying to save a paltry 10 euros is ridiculous.

If you're here, you're a huge, tragic fan already, and should not be scrimping over 10 euros.

you're just making yourself look stupid.

[dodge33cymru]

Has All Live been confirmed for next year? I've been doing the same 'paying for a little at a time' this year but would like to sign up for the full year now I know how good it is.

[T16]

The idea that anyone who takes the time to post on a WRC-specific forum on the internet is truly trying to save a paltry 10 euros is ridiculous.

If you're here, you're a huge, tragic fan already, and should not be scrimping over 10 euros.

you're just making yourself look stupid.

Well said, I bet he wouldn't dream of piping up at one of the M-Sport fan events and telling everyone he saves a few pence here and there because he's not paying for WRC+ subscription.

[Andre Oliveira]

Let be honest. I will renew the subscription offcourse... but why i can’t use one promocode like others? I payed this year. If someone that will be on year 2019 for the first time, why i can’t? Unfair.

[Franky]

Let be honest. I will renew the subscription offcourse... but why i can’t use one promocode like others? I payed this year. If someone that will be on year 2019 for the first time, why i can’t? Unfair.

It's less unfair than it was in 2017, when you could basically use WRC+ for free with promo codes the entire season.

[sonnybobiche]

The idea that 85 euros per year from MAYBE 5-10,000 subscribers worldwide makes an actual difference to the WRC Promoter's budget...

I'm sure many of you work or have worked for a medium-sized business at some point. What the Promoter makes on subscriptions is chicken feed.

[Tarmop]

We are talking about way more subscribers than that, all in all TV audience (and there are many stages broadcasted in TV also, i think this season more than before?) of 848.86 million, and 9+ million fans online (social media, WRC+ etc) in 2017.

[AL14]

Guys promotions only for newcomers are normal. Every pay-tv or even phone provider do the same.
At the end is also fair because everyone got one promotion when they came the first time.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49938623_2481119141917498_5692726353367924736_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo3-2.fna&oh=c203594a14fed38e70ee9ba6376f1a5b&oe=5CC73AF6

[Googol]

Just for curiosity, does anyone have a month fee of 10,99 in the WRC app? In the webpage it's 8,99.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC+ ALL LIVE will have a Spanish language commentary choice in 2019.

[sonnybobiche]

WRC+ ALL LIVE will have a Spanish language commentary choice in 2019.

I'm very curious who Ciesla will allow to do the Spanish commentary. The current Spanish-language commentary on movistar+ is exceptionally good (i.e., not a bunch of press office bullshit). It's insightful, informative, entertaining, and HONEST.

Is it too much to ask that the official Spanish-language coverage live up to that?

[er88]

Still no word of a non commentary option though?

[the sniper]

It'll be interesting to see how that works and who is involved. You'd have to think it'll lead to more localised versions in future.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The Promoter said Canal+ will also show All Live (as will BT Sport) and will have their own French commentary.

I guess this (French comms) might end up available to all on WRC+ eventually.

[dodge33cymru]

Still no word of a non commentary option though?

Good point, sign me up for this option.

Thanks Andre, I'll take advantage of that if I can.

[AnttiL]

https://www.mollypettit.com/articles/new-year-more-writing

Molly on his blog


It´s also important for me to be 110% sharp - because I will get sharp comments from the drivers ( Ott Tanak? ;) ) hehe...

:D

[EstWRC]

well, dont ask stupid questions then.

[AnttiL]

well, dont ask stupid questions then.

"where did you get the puncture?" is a stupid question? :P

[EstWRC]

no, when she asked "how he is feeling?" after that puncture.

[AnttiL]

no, when she asked "how he is feeling?" after that puncture.

We are talking a different puncture. The one I mentioned was in Wales, and Ott still won that stage despite the puncture and was a happy chap leading the rally. Molly asked "where did you get the puncture" and the reply was "what do you mean? in the stage!"

Then, in Spain after he lost the title chances Molly asked "how disappointed are you" and Ott replied "I am very happy" and that frustration is understandable.

[cali]

Well it's all in a heat of the moment so maybe the questions is not that stupid but the interviewer must realise when to ask certain questions. But I do not blame neither of them, that's life and it adds colour. Moments which are remembered for a long time like Kimi and Mika Häkkinen's answers.

[dupanton]

Well it's all in a heat of the moment so maybe the questions is not that stupid but the interviewer must realise when to ask certain questions. But I do not blame neither of them, that's life and it adds colour. Moments which are remembered for a long time like Kimi and Mika Häkkinen's answers.

Or Kankkunen his "black round Pirelli" :p

[AnttiL]

Or Kankkunen his "black round Pirelli" :p

Kankkunen didn't like the idea of power stage which they were trying for the second time ever back then in 1999 (and it didn't go further than those two attempts that year until 2011). He said it's stupid to award points for a single stage and he didn't understand why he had to speak English to a Finnish interviewer.

[Yugo_para_siempre]

Could you please provide your input about the below?

If I will subscribe and pay for 1 month at 23/1/2019, will I be able to watch Rally Sweden that ends at 17/02/2019?

Or regardless of when you pay you are able to watch only until the end of this month?

[nafpaktos]

Its for one month for 30 days

[Yugo_para_siempre]

Thank you very much mate.

I am not sure if i should commit for the whole season, the first two rounds will provide me a good indication.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'm very curious who Ciesla will allow to do the Spanish commentary. The current Spanish-language commentary on movistar+ is exceptionally good (i.e., not a bunch of press office bullshit). It's insightful, informative, entertaining, and HONEST.

Is it too much to ask that the official Spanish-language coverage live up to that?

https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/january-2019/all-live/page/6012--12-12-.html

[Andre Oliveira]

So, M-Sport doesn’t exists :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxIJasBUYAA1M8s?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

Millener sayin on twitter that they didnt have the overalls for the autosport show, so couldnt take the pictures.

[Franky]

So, M-Sport doesn’t exists :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxIJasBUYAA1M8s?format=jpg&name=large

So many former Citroen drivers

[T16]

Millener sayin on twitter that they didnt have the overalls for the autosport show, so couldnt take the pictures.

I hope this isn't an example of how they intend to 'operate at the same level of professionalism' as last year...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I hope this isn't an example of how they intend to 'operate at the same level of professionalism' as last year...

Possibly waiting until the last minute for any more sponsors.

Like this just yesterday:
"We're proud to announce Audes Group as our new M-Sport Ford World Rally Team Clothing Partner for 2019 and 2020."

[EstWRC]

finnish guys...did i understand correctly that either YLE1 or YLE2 will show all the live stages?

at the moment when im looking at their schedule from estonian site i dont see it, they only show the highlight shows.

[Japé]

In my opinion Monte-Carlo preview Magazine was not that good quality and living up to WRC hype we are currently having. In the end screen it shows that Preview Magazine was produced by Redspider networks - is this some new company selected to produce the WRC+ for this year?

[AnttiL]

finnish guys...did i understand correctly that either YLE1 or YLE2 will show all the live stages?

at the moment when im looking at their schedule from estonian site i dont see it, they only show the highlight shows.

They will show the WRC+ live stages, meaning SS1, Saturday afternoon stage and power stage. Here you can see the schedule https://www.iltapulu.fi/search.php?q=monte+carlo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

BT Sport's tv schedule confirms they are showing WRC All Live on BT Sport Extra.

On Thursday they are even showing Shakedown live & the opening ceremony of Rally Monte-Carlo.

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[Norm75]

Let's hope they do Eddie, lost count last season the amount of times I settled in bed with the TV on, waiting for the wrc highlights that were scheduled on the bt planner, only for it not to be shown at all as they preferred to put baseball on, or some other nonsense.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Let's hope they do Eddie, lost count last season the amount of times I settled in bed with the TV on, waiting for the wrc highlights that were scheduled on the bt planner, only for it not to be shown at all as they preferred to put baseball on, or some other nonsense.

WRC All Live will be on the red button so there wont be any scheduling issues. They cant be recorded though except on BTTV.

Cant guarantee the highlight show timings. And its a pity Motors TV is no longer around for them.

[EightGear]

Can anybody tell me the best way to use WRC live with a Chromecast? The usual 'cast' button seems missing?

[dodge33cymru]

Can anybody tell me the best way to use WRC live with a Chromecast? The usual 'cast' button seems missing?

Yeah, it's annoying - if you have Google's 'Home' app, you can cast the entire screen of your device, but you will need it to play on your phone/tablet to keep it on the TV screen

[EightGear]

Yeah, it's annoying - if you have Google's 'Home' app, you can cast the entire screen of your device, but you will need it to play on your phone/tablet to keep it on the TV screenThanks.

I was hoping that would not be the only option, as I like to follow this forum while watching.

Oh well - I'm not even susprised..

[dodge33cymru]

Thanks.

I was hoping that would not be the only option, as I like to follow this forum while watching.

Oh well - I'm not even susprised..

I usually just cast a window from a computer instead. Any computer with Google Chrome can cast to a Chromecast.

[MartijnS]

Can anybody tell me the best way to use WRC live with a Chromecast? The usual 'cast' button seems missing?

Next to the timebar, there is an icon of a screen with an arrow ^. If you click it, there is the cast button.

[Entertainer]

I usually just cast a window from a computer instead. Any computer with Google Chrome can cast to a Chromecast.

Exactly! That will let you have forums open, including ewrc for timing and still cast to your television through Chromecast.