2014 British GP Thread

[steveaki13]

So its already time for Round 9 of this F1 season. I cannot honestly believe it and how quick this season is going.

I always enjoy the British GP, but I have to say in recent years I havent found the racing as good, this season also marks the 50th British GP at Silverstone.

I remember 1994 or 1995?, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2008 as real stand out races for me.

Drivers Championship after 8 Rounds



1
Nico Rosberg
Mercedes
165


2
Lewis Hamilton
Mercedes
136


3
Daniel Ricciardo
Red Bull
83


4
Fernando Alonso
Ferrari
79


5
Sebastian Vettel
Red Bull
60


6
Nico Hulkenberg
Force India
59


7
Valterri Bottas
Williams
55


8
Jenson Button
Mclaren
43


9
Felipe Massa
Williams
30


10
Kevin Magnussen
Mclaren
29


11
Sergio Perez
Force India
28


12
Kimi Raikkonen
Ferrari
19


13
Romain Grosjean
Lotus
8


14
Jean Eric Vergne
Toro Rosso
8


15
Danii Kyvat
Toro Rosso
4


16
Jules Bianchi
Marussia
2


17
Adrian Sutil
Sauber
0


18
Marcus Ericcson
Caterham
0


19
Pastor Maldonado
Lotus
0


20
Esteban Gutierrez
Sauber
0


21
Max Chilton
Marussia
0


22
Kamui Kobayashi
Caterham
0









Constructors Championship after 8 Rounds




1
Mercedes
301


2
Red Bull
143


3
Ferrari
98


4
Force India
87


5
Williams
85


6
Mclaren
72


7
Toro Rosso
12


8
Lotus
8


9
Marussia
2


10
Sauber
0


11
Caterham
0








2014 British Grand Prix

Silverstone
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Silverstone_Circuit_2010_version.png/800px-Silverstone_Circuit_2010_version.png
52 Laps

Lap Record: 1:30:874 - Fernando Alonso - Ferrari - 2010

Session Times
FP1 - 4/7/2014 - 10:00-11:30am
FP2 - 4/7/2014 - 14:00-15:30pm

FP3 - 5/7/2014 - 10:00-11:00am
Quali- 5/7/2014 - 13:00pm

Race: 6/7/2014 - 13:00pm

Previous Winners since 1990

1990: Alain Prost - Ferrari
1991: Nigel Mansell - Williams
1992: Nigel Mansell - Williams
1993: Alain Prost - Williams
1994: Damon Hill - Williams
1995: Johnny Herbert - Benetton
1996: Jacques Villeneuve - Williams
1997: Jacques Villeneuve - Williams
1998: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
1999: David Coulthard - Mclaren
2000: David Coulthard - Mclaren
2001: Mika Hakkinen - Mclaren
2002: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2003: Rubens Barrichello - Ferrari
2004: Michael Schumacher - Ferrari
2005: Juan Montoya - Mclaren
2006: Fernando Alonso - Renault
2007: Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari
2008: Lewis Hamilton - Mclaren
2009: Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull
2010: Mark Webber - Red Bull
2011: Fernando Alonso - Ferrari
2012: Mark Webber - Red Bull
2013: Nico Rosberg - Mercedes

Multiple Winners + current drivers

Jim Clark - 5 wins
Alain Prost - 5 wins
Nigel Mansell - 4 wins
Jack Brabham - 3 wins
Niki Lauda - 3 wins
Michael Schumacher - 3 wins
Alberto Ascari -2 wins
Jose Gonzalez -2 wins
Stirling Moss - 2 wins
Jackie Stewart -2 wins
Emerson Fittipaldi - 2 wins
Jacques Villeneuve - 2 wins
David Coulthard - 2 wins
Fernando Alonso - 2 wins
Mark Webber - 2 wins
Kimi Raikkonen - 1 win
Lewis Hamilton - 1 win
Sebastian Vettel - 1 win
Nico Rosberg - 1 win

Multiple Winning Teams

Ferrari - 15 wins
Mclaren - 14 wins
Williams -10 wins
Lotus - 8 wins
Red Bull - 3 wins
Mercedes - 2 wins
Renault - 2 wins
Tyrell - 2 wins
Cooper - 2 wins
Maserati - 2 wins (pre F1)
Delage - 2 wins (Pre F1)

* So its unlikely anyone other than Mercedes or maybe Red Bull will add to their list of wins.


Thats my preview of the 2014 British GP this weekend. Hope you enjoyed it. :)

[rjbetty]

Thanks Steve, I think we all appreciate your effort.


I will add some memories here...

1997 - Only my 3rd real race as an F1 fan. I remember Katayama spinning at the startline, supersub Wurz leading briefly, and Damon finishing 6th for Arrows.
1998 - M.Schumacher winning in the pitlane, even though on Grand Prix 2, I know if you pit on the last lap you go a lap down. R.Schumacher scoring a precious point finally for Jordan from 22nd, making my Hill and Jordan fan brother celebrate, on his birthday too!

1999 - A very memorable one as Michael broke his leg, Hakkinen's wheel fell off, Irvine narrowly lost to Coulthard, and Hill led for a while in his terrible final season.
2000 - Disastrous wet catastrophe for the public. Barrichello on pole in wet 0.003 ahead of Frentzen. Verstappen racing with Michael and rookie Jenson coming 5th.

2001 - Hakkinen won by miles, happy to see Saubers come 5th and 6th.
2002 - Could Arrows have reached the podium? BARs come 4th and 5th to make a nice change in the wet.
2003 - A classic. Freak on the track. Rubens wins. Jenson 8th from the back on bad Bridgestones.
2004 - Didn't really watch, but Kimi took pole, Fisi came 6th from the back in a Sauber almost beating Montoya.

2005 - Montoya's first McLaren win, but (amazingly) could Fisi have even taken it if the pitstops had worked out?! Ferrari really nowhere.
2006 - Standard race, but Heidfeld did well for BMW Sauber, almost beating Montoya to 6th.
2007 - Another standard race. Sadly Hamilton couldn't convert pole into win in his amazing debut season.
2010 - A good one. Webber winning, comeuppance for Vettel though he barged Sutil out of the way late on. Nice 5th and 6th for Barrichello and Kobayashi.
2011 - Great win for Alonso. My greatest memory is Michael having the pace to come 4th(!!) but just clipping a car (Kobayashi?) and having to pit twice, once for a wing and once as penalty. Still finished 9th in a bad car after all that, while Rosberg struggled to hold off rookie Perez in a Sauber.
2012 - Schumacher starting 3rd and coming 7th while Nico struggles out of the points with Toro Rossos - Was Michael really that bad?

2013 - Rosberg inherits a win from Hamilton's misfortune. Vettel suffered only retirement to create a different result.

[Tazio]

This one has Kimi's name written all over it, easy!

[henners88]

This is another race I'll miss due to being away for a friends birthday. Hope the weather is nice and hope Hamilton can break his Silverstone drought. Hopefully I will be back for the highlights on Sunday night.

[Tazio]

https://twitter.com/fergieweather/status/484250118745751553

http://www.bbc.com/weather/2637827

If the rain forecasted for Sat, and Sun. materializes, itshould bode well for Fred, and The Boss (as well as a few of the other usual suspects) But not so good for the likes of Felipe Baby, and Skimi!

[airshifter]

Vettel seems to do very well in the rain as well. Ask Lewis and Felipe!

It seems the dominance in rain races has changed greatly in recent years. I don't know if this is due to tires limiting drivers more, or if some of the others have caught up some to Fred in skill level. He used to be the rain master.

[Doc Austin]

Vettel has had such a horrid season that it simply can't go on forever. I expect him to have a big weekend, provided, of course, the car doesn't crap out in every session.

[steveaki13]

So FP1 is underway. Normally Red Bull have been good around here because of their downforce and general high speed potential.

I wonder if they can get close to Mercedes? I guess Williams may not be as fast around here as A1 ring.


Interesting too to see Susie Wolff in the Williams. Always nice to see a new driver get some car time. I hope she does OK.

I hope also Max Chilton does OK. He has had an up and down season. Fingers crossed for a good weekend.

[steveaki13]

And as I posted that, Susie's Friday is cut short with a Car Problem.

Shame.

Still a chance of rain on Saturday and Sunday, so this could be an interesting weekend.

[Tazio]

Hi Steve I'm having issues getting a decent stream :mad: 0:200 here but no wories about staying up to watch F1, tomorow is no work. It's the 4th of July they day we Yanks celebrate...Oh never mind 3 day weekend :angel:

[Tazio]

what happened to Felipe?

[steveaki13]

Hi Steve I'm having issues getting a decent stream :mad: 0:200 here but no wories about staying up to watch F1, tomorow is no work. It's the 4th of July they day we Yanks celebrate...Oh never mind 3 day weekend :angel:

Hi Taz, happy Independence Day.

Quick off topic: Having never been to the US, I often wondered what ya'll do for Independence Day? Is it a family celebration or just a day out?

Anyway back to the F1. Massa's had a huge shunt to compound Williams day. I dont know what it is about Felipe he seems to struggle around here.

I remember 2002 he spun 3 times in the first 20 laps, then when I went to the 2008 British GP in the rain, he spun 4 or 5 times in the race.

I will never forget that. I didnt agree with it, but each time Felipe spun a cheer louder than the engines was let out.

[steveaki13]

what happened to Felipe?

He came out of Stowe corner and ran wide onto the kerb heading towards vale and the pit entry, that running wide spun him off across the track and hard into the barriers at the pit entrance.

Sessions back under way and Wolff is able to get the car back to the garage, but it has an engine failure so I guess Felipe, Susie and Pastor are all out of the session. Maldonado's car broke down on the way out of the pits.

[steveaki13]

30 minutes to go and we are down to 17 cars.

Maldonado - ERS problem?
Wolff - Engine failure
Massa - Eating barrier
Frijns - Car stuck in Garage all session
Ericcson - Spun off and stuck in Gravel.

Not a good session for Caterham and Williams.

[Tazio]

Hi Taz, happy Independence Day.

Quick off topic: Having never been to the US, I often wondered what ya'll do for Independence Day? Is it a family celebration or just a day out?

Anyway back to the F1. Massa's had a huge shunt to compound Williams day. I dont know what it is about Felipe he seems to struggle around here.

I remember 2002 he spun 3 times in the first 20 laps, then when I went to the 2008 British GP in the rain, he spun 4 or 5 times in the race.

I will never forget that. I didnt agree with it, but each time Felipe spun a cheer louder than the engines was let out.

Yes I remember 2008 that was the low point in a seasonthat ended up being a very good one for Felipe. As for Independence Day itsbarbeque, beer, fireworks, and some people take a short holiday trip.
Me, I'm going to try to get in a couple good mountain bike rfides and watch soccer!
Allez Les Bleus!! :dork:

[journeyman racer]

A little disappointed this year's race isn't held on the same day as the WC final, like it was 4 years ago, and in 98. I just am.

[Tazio]

morning dawgs! :dog:

[driveace]

At 2.50pm Hamilton is 2.3 tenths of a second faster than Rosberg And the Mercedes are 5 tenths faster than Alonso

[steveaki13]

Lotus looks a nightmare round here. Grosjean losing his back end all day it seems

[steveaki13]

Ricciardo and Rosberg under investigation for overtaking this morning under the Red Flag for Massa's accident.

[steveaki13]

Lewis Hamilton breaking down was not exactly positive for the British Crowd either. Lets hope it was nothing serious. I have wanted someone else to win many races this season, but for this one race I would like Lewis to win. For the British GP and fans but more so to keep this Championship exciting.

[Tazio]

LewisHamilton breaking down was not exactly positive for the British Crowd either. Let’shope it was nothing serious. I have wanted someone else to win many races thisseason, but for this one race I would like Lewis to win. For the British GP andfans but more so to keep this Championship exciting. That is no bigdeal at Mercedes, they have the\e budget to resolve small things like that expeditiously.I kind of love it, because they make the Ferrari investment of the Mike'ish eralook like pocket change. I just can't wait to see how some of the teammatebattles progress. Of all of them I find the Skimmi, ‘zo battle intriguing,because I don't think that Kimi has suddenly forgotten how to push a very reliablecar to the max. I'm starting to suspect that Fred is in a league of just 1 or 2maybe three pilots that can go fast even in a POS. Kubica was like that!

[Tazio]

Slash :p:

[Tazio]

Stopped raining, good time for Mecedes and Fred to at least record a time wth 5 min's left ...or......?

[Tazio]

These guys should have been running full wets unless some guys don't feel like they need them to go their fastest (too much). They have 3 qualifying sessions of going fast on a green wet track, plus guys like Fred,and the Boss like to push limits and were probably smart not to risk a shunt! :confused:

[zako85]

If Hamilton isn't the number two at Mercedes, then why do they keep sabotaging his car?

[steveaki13]

Wow we are on, for Bianchi & Chilton into Q2.

[steveaki13]

Williams 17th and 18th:eek:

Ferrari 19th and 20th :rolleyes:

Caterhams as usual at the bottom. :hmph:


but Marussia 4th & 6th. :cool:

[steveaki13]

What is Hamilton playing at?

Talk about chucking Pole away and screwing his title chances.

Pretty Idiotic planning by Lewis.

[Robinho]

What happened in that final sector, everyone was down an d then suddenly a couple of seconds up. Crazy

[dj_bytedisaster]

Hamilton putting in a strong bid for donkey of the race already. He'll have to claw it all back tomorrow. And he can't even blame anyone else as he decided himself to break off the lap. Way to fight for the championship...

[steveaki13]

Lewis eased off in Sector 2 and said it was too wet, no one can go quicker.

Lewis gave up while the others kept pushing and Sector 3 was almost bone dry and drivers gained 3+ seconds.

Silly Silly Lewis. Another crack appears.

[journeyman racer]

I would still back Hamilton to finish at least in 2nd place tomorrow (to Rosberg). Even though he'd be conceding a further 7 points to Rosberg, it'll only mean being 36 pts behind with a mammoth 10 races still to go! Just got to avoid losing focus tomorrow.

[steveaki13]

I would still back Hamilton to finish at least in 2nd place tomorrow (to Rosberg). Even though he'd be conceding a further 7 points to Rosberg, it'll only mean being 36 pts behind with a mammoth 10 races still to go! Just got to avoid losing focus tomorrow.

Yer he should finish 2nd easily really, but truely he is screwing up his season in a big way. So many errors creeping in. You do wonder if he will ever even win a second championship.

I mean I thought after 2008 he would be a 3 or 4 time champion, but he is clearly lacking some kind of mental strength.

[journeyman racer]

On another note. As a tv viewer, one of the best parts about the GP at Silverstone, is the camera shot at Copse, looking back at the old front straight. It's one of the best camera views/placements in motorsport. Love it!

[steveaki13]

I agree about the camera a copse. It shows the turn in speed.

I have stood there and seen them pass by and its just incredible how much grip they have as they turn in.

[Zico]

What is Hamilton playing at?

Talk about chucking Pole away and screwing his title chances.

Pretty Idiotic planning by Lewis.



Yep, schoolboy error, I'm confused too.

I'm wondering if/why nobody told him the 3rd sector was bone dry... or maybe he had already backed off and it was too late for that?

[steveaki13]

Yep, schoolboy error, I'm confused too.

I'm wondering if/why nobody told him the 3rd sector was bone dry... or maybe he had already backed off and it was too late for that?

He just said he basically chose to back off early on his lap cause he thought it was too wet. Sadly a mistake. And a very costly one potentially

[journeyman racer]

Yer he should finish 2nd easily really, but truely he is screwing up his season in a big way. So many errors creeping in. I liken it to a game of football, particularly one where you have to win it, like in a knockout stage. In the first half, your defence may be disorganised, shoddy. You offer many chances for the opposition, before they finally do in added time. In the second half, you re-organise . Your defence steadies. You take control of the game. Then you score the equaliser somewhere in the 70s. Your opposition doesn't have a plan B. Doesn't know what to do. Then, in the 89th minute, you bang in the winner!


You do wonder if he will ever even win a second championship.

I mean I thought after 2008 he would be a 3 or 4 time champion, but he is clearly lacking some kind of mental strength.
This is the angle of criticism for his initial presence of his career (including from me, not that I was a member of this site. He had it too easy early on. It's not necessarily his fault. But it's a weakness of having the best funding/resources at your disposal, in all the junior classes, on the way up.

[Tazio]

Missed quali for the first time in 16 years, so I don't know what the Boss did wrong, and what if anything that Kimi or Fred did right. :beer: :arrows: :bigcry: :monkeedan

[Zico]

Lewis gave up while Nico persevered, got lucky and took the spoils. There is a saying that on the whole you make your own luck and I can relate that to situations like Q3 today. Yes there are still ten races to go but its certainly looking very good for Nico at this stage in terms of having both a points lead and a psychological edge over Lewis.

Nico is certainly looking the more hungry of the two to me and after Lewis being hit with a huge psychological blow like that on home turf which will put even more pressure on him. Will he be able to handle it? Right now I'm doubting that.

[rjbetty]

Just got in and saw the result having had to go out before Q3.

Wow that was some error from Hamilton. He does look quite despondent. A real shame as I would even say there are shades of Fisichella here i.e. not seeming that strong mentally.

Superb effort from Marussia though. What a shame Chilton has a gearbox penalty on his highest ever finishing position. Hopefully Bianchi might be able to capitalise and get an important top 13 result to help consolidate those 2pts a bit.

But congrats to Rosberg who got this fair and square this time. I feel Silverstone has been a weaker track for him historically (see my memories in post #2) so to win this one would be a big deal. This championship is seeming a little like 1984 (rather than 1988). To be fair to Nico, Zico, ;) I wouldn't say he was lucky today, though I hear he escaped another penalty yesterday. 9 lives or what?

Seb should get a podium tomorrow all going well. He needs to do well against Dan this time, and it's looking good today.

Shocked to see Ferrari and Williams out as I didn't think we'd get another Malaysia 2010, the teams having learned and become more professional.

[Somebody]

And he can't even blame anyone else as he decided himself to break off the lap. Way to fight for the championship...

Don't you understand? He's hungrier than Rosberg. HUNGRIER!

[rjbetty]

I noted with interest there is some debate as to whether Lewis deliberately aborted his lap to stop Nico getting one in, a la Monaco!

Was wondering how I´d react if the shoe was ever on the other foot.

But the key difference is Lewis didn´t benefit at all from the mistake, Nico did.

[Zico]

To be fair to Nico, Zico, ;) I wouldn't say he was lucky today....


Yeah you're right.. that is a bit unfair on Nico as he fully deserves it.

[Doc Austin]

Maybe Vettel is starting to turn his season around. He certainly hasn't given up.

It also looks like Button is "trying harder," doesn't it?

[dj_bytedisaster]

Don't you understand? He's hungrier than Rosberg. HUNGRIER!

If today's display is anything to go by, I'd say he's dumb as a brick.

There's a good chance that he might win tomorrow. The Merc can finish 2nd on its own and Rosberg is overdue for a mechanical, but that quali does not leave Lewis unscathed. The - as per himself - not-so-hungry Rosberg outfoxed him by just not being a blithering idiot. Say what you want - Lewis is fast and brave, but he definitely isn't smart.

[airshifter]

Wow we are on, for Bianchi & Chilton into Q2.


Fred, Kimi, and the might of Ferrari punked by Bianchi, Chilton, and the mouse of Marussia! :laugh: I would cry if it wan't so pathetic on the part of a big team. Yet they pushed the drivers? Hero to zero for Williams, once again on strategy. In all fairness it was a short window for dry tires, but still..... that has to hurt!


As for Lewis, I see all the critics are out in force. In hindsight a bad move, but in his case he has the preserve the car due to Nico having better luck with reliability through the season. Being in front, Nico has much less to lose by pushing it some. Lewis is only starting 6th, and it's certainly not the end of the world.


Good lap by Seb, and wet weather could play to the RBs. Jenson also seems to do well with changing conditions. Fred and Kimi have little to lose regardless of conditions and both Bottas and Massa have to save face as well. If we get any wet and changing conditions I can see the race really shaking up. If it stays dry hard to tell, but I think with his tire preservation Perez might have a shot at a podium. He's due.

[steveaki13]

I personally am hoping for some rain and Bianchi to enjoy his 12th placed start.

[Tazio]

Just watch 'zo tomorrow :mad:

[steveaki13]

Zo will leave Kimi behind and lap him. :stareup:

[Jag_Warrior]

Don't you understand? He's hungrier than Rosberg. HUNGRIER!

Lewis is my favorite current driver. But he really does need to stop talking the talk and start walking the walk. He keeps doing and saying the stupidest things. I don't know what the heck happened to his brain today, but it was certainly switched to the off position. He looked more like someone who should be in the IRL rather than F1. And it's not the first time this season. Like when Ricciardo was catching him up in Monaco and he shot back to his team that he didn't want to know about Daniel, he wanted to know where Rosberg was. I'm guessing Paddy Lowe was tempted to fire back at the fast, but petulant child: "Fine then, Lewis... the fellow that you're not going to catch for 1st is still pulling away from you and the fellow who is going to take 2nd from you is catching you by a similar rate. But do as you please. And if you lose 2nd place, go ahead and pull back into the McLaren pits as you did last year, only this time you can stay there! We'll pick the car up ourselves."

[TheFamousEccles]

Don't you understand? He's hungrier than Rosberg. HUNGRIER!

I'm hungry, too.

[zako85]

German Bros dominate the British GP qualifying.

Personally, I was really surprised to see that Vettel was having a +2 second deficit in his final hot lap, and then suddenly he shot to the top. Amazing. At first I thought something was wrong with the data on TV. Only later I found out that the final part of track was so dry that one could easily make up for those lost seconds. Not only Hamilton threw away a likely pole position. He also lent Rosberg some nice draft on the last straight when Rosberg was still following.

[steveaki13]

I am not sure I have ever seen a qualifying session where all the drivers were 2-3 seconds slow after two sectors and then make it all back and some in the final sector.

Maybe Spa or somewhere when one end of the circuit is wet and one is dry.

[Zico]

Lewis is my favorite current driver. But he really does need to stop talking the talk and start walking the walk. He keeps doing and saying the stupidest things. I don't know what the heck happened to his brain today, but it was certainly switched to the off position. He looked more like someone who should be in the IRL rather than F1. And it's not the first time this season. Like when Ricciardo was catching him up in Monaco and he shot back to his team that he didn't want to know about Daniel, he wanted to know where Rosberg was. I'm guessing Paddy Lowe was tempted to fire back at the fast, but petulant child: "Fine then, Lewis... the fellow that you're not going to catch for 1st is still pulling away from you and the fellow who is going to take 2nd from you is catching you by a similar rate. But do as you please. And if you lose 2nd place, go ahead and pull back into the McLaren pits as you did last year, only this time you can stay there! We'll pick the car up ourselves."


I'm the same, I wish he'd just give his mouth a rest and let his driving do the talking. Saying he is hungrier then doing that does make him look a bit silly and to see arguably the quickest guy on the grid throw pole away like that is frustrating.... but as steveaki13 says maybe its not as huge a mistake as it seems when you consider he had dropped so much time through the first sector alone?


Should make for a very interesting race. :)

[donKey jote]

hay gurlz :kiss: :sailor:

[steveaki13]

Hey Donkey :wave:

You're here early today

[donKey jote]

setting up the monitors... got to take the daughter to a friends house at two :-s

[steveaki13]

setting up the monitors... got to take the daughter to a friends house at two :-s

ah OK.

By then Mercedes will have made the race a dull 1-2 ;)

[steveaki13]

Lewis has troubles with the right rear brake.

That doesn't look good. I guess he won't finish again.

They are saying its fine, but if it overheats on his way to the grid, Can it really last a whole race?

It maybe a dominant Mercedes 1 after all.

[tfp]

Does anyone know if Murray is commentating today? Bbc or sky?

[donKey jote]

hehe dropped her off at the bus stop instead :andrea:

[donKey jote]

earwiggooooo :D

[donKey jote]

bejayzus :dozey:

[donKey jote]

he's OK

[Koz]

Kimi looks hurt!!

[donKey jote]

SC restart

[veeten]

butt hurt, that is...

[steveaki13]

SC restart

Is that normal procedure now?

I mean in the past a race stopped in the first 2 laps was normally a full restart.

It was races stopped after Lap 2 that used to be SC restarted.

[donKey jote]

15 min+ delay :dozey:

[steveaki13]

Race is off for the time being. A barrier is going to be repaired

30 minutes I would reckon at best

[steveaki13]

Have to say Kamui done a great job to miss that crash and miss the wall over bumpy grass.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Race is off for the time being. A barrier is going to be repaired

30 minutes I would reckon at best

Not even the traffic wombles on the German Autobahn take that long to repair a bit of armco...

[tfp]

Not even the traffic wombles on the German Autobahn take that long to repair a bit of armco...

Hahaha��

[Koz]

Still no news about Kimi?

[donKey jote]

reminds me of the old joke: "how many English handymen do you need to change a ..." :andrea: :sailor:

[steveaki13]

Not even the traffic wombles on the German Autobahn take that long to repair a bit of armco...

It does seem a while but the FIA announce update in 15 minutes, plus the time it then takes to get stuff done. It always amazes me actually that they can't get it done quicker.

You would think someone would be starting repairs as soon as its safe and be able to replace a section at once, rather than individual sections one at a time.

[steveaki13]

Shame for Chilton. He will start in the pits after damage. When he was due to start 10th.

Bianchi will start 10th instead.

[steveaki13]

reminds me of the old joke: "how many English handymen do you need to change a ..." :andrea: :sailor:

They will stand around for 10 minutes breathing in through their teeth, saying "Ooo this will cost you" :p

[donKey jote]

actually they seem to be doing pretty good :)

[veeten]

Massa's start just goes to show that it's never good to get your auto parts from the pic-a-part bin.

Don't be cheap, Frank. ;)

[N4D13]

It seems that the stewards are investigating Chilton for going back to the pits during the red flag period. Could he be DQ'd for this? :-/

[Langdale Forest]

Could the race continue if the barrier was only slightly damaged?

[donKey jote]

it's the typical H&S conundrum... on the one hand very low risk of it happening again, on the other if it were to happen again the consequences would be too hefty :dozey:

[Tazio]

Just woke up what happened dawgs?

[donKey jote]

kimi lost it big time rejoining from offroad :dozey:

[veeten]

well, if that's not a good sign, then I don't know what is. :)

[steveaki13]

Just woke up what happened dawgs?

Kimi ran wide and lost control spun and smashed into barrier, damaging it. (its now being replaced hence delay), Kimi then spun back onto track and took out Massa, and Kamui just avoided it.

Chilton has a Pen for coming into the pits under a Red Flag

[Tazio]

Who drove him off the track, Fred OR Igor?

[donKey jote]

Kimi himself.
And he can thank the gawds for squiggy's lightning reactions, or they both could have been very seriously hurt...

[N4D13]

Who drove him off the track, Fred OR Igor?
It looked to me that he was parallel to Fred at the time. However, he went so wide that there's also the possibility that he was just driving too fast in that corner and ran out of tarmac.

[donKey jote]

They showed Fred's onboard of Kimi driving himself off ...
he was definitely behind kimi at that point :)

[steveaki13]

Who drove him off the track, Fred OR Igor?

Kimi was on the outside and lost the back end as far as I could see. He controlled it and was way off track.

[N4D13]

They showed Fred's onboard of Kimi driving himself off ...
he was definitely behind kimi at that point :)
OK, I missed that one. Thanks for pointing that out! :)

[Langdale Forest]

Would the race be delayed if the barrier only had minor damage. ?

[donKey jote]

OK, I missed that one. Thanks for pointing that out! :)

can't you get Antena3 in Karlsruhe? :p

[veeten]

aarmco fixed. Let's go racing. :D

[N4D13]

can't you get Antena3 in Karlsruhe? :p
I have a really nice VPN here but I can't get any Spanish IPs so I have to do with good ol' RTL. I can't understand a word they're saying but even so, it's an improvement. :p

[veeten]

hmmmm... a bit of on-track Chiro for Alonso. Pull the back into place.

[donKey jote]

you can get english without VPN, allegedly :andrea:

[donKey jote]

Susie Wolff speaks great German, and the Scottish accent makes it even cooler :D

[donKey jote]

Mag got punked :dozey:

[donKey jote]

Alo punks Ric :D :D

[steveaki13]

Ricciardo got punked :p

[donKey jote]

:dozey: Alo going to get screwed for the original start :dozey:

[N4D13]

Alonso is quite probably going to get a nice drive-through penalty for starting out of position, with his front wheels out of his grid slot.

[veeten]

penalty for Alonso? Oh, c'mon! :(

[veeten]

wherever there's incident, you'll find Pastor... :p:

[Mark]

penalty for Alonso? Oh, c'mon! :(


Saw the replay. He was well out of position at the start!

[donKey jote]

yep... ban him for 3 races ! :devil: :p

[donKey jote]

5 sec stop/go :(

[donKey jote]

P5 (-5sec)

[donKey jote]

balls poor rosberg :dozey: :p

[steveaki13]

Rosbergs issues mean he is only 0.5 seconds faster than Hamilton. :p

[donKey jote]

stoopid Butt... rolls over for everyone except Alo :devil: :sailor: :andrea: :p

[steveaki13]

Oh look Hamilton lost over a second in the pit stops. ;)

[donKey jote]

Ham moaning :dozey:

[dj_bytedisaster]

Lewis 'motivates' his crew...

[donKey jote]

Alo takes Hulk again

[donKey jote]

bye Nico :dozey:

[dj_bytedisaster]

British fans being gentlemen by celebrating a mechanical, now didn't we have that before?

[veeten]

and the crowd goes wild!!! :D:D

[Whyzars]

ctrl-alt-del

[donKey jote]

Alt-F4

[pino]

Poor Nico :(

[N4D13]

I'm gutted for Nico but I'm also glad that a podium could be on the cards for Alonso. Not bad considering that he started from 17th.

Edit: oh, just ignore that. There's no way he's getting in front of the Bulls, whom I had conveniently left out. :p

[veeten]

button is pressed in the paddock, which causes lead car to "failure". While trying to restart, Nico presses buttons on wheel, which causes whirring sound, accompanied with "God save the Queen" in the background... ;) :p:

[pino]

Bottas ! :up:

[longisland]

Mercedes power! Bottas just blast passed in the straight

[donKey jote]

ALo punks Vet :D

[pino]

Grande Alonso !!!

[donKey jote]

Alo had the bigger balls there :laugh:

[donKey jote]

Vet 15kmh faster :eek:

[donKey jote]

Perez stop moaning and get back to the kitchen :dozey:

[longisland]

Great fight back from Seb. He's sizing Fred up

[donKey jote]

Vet moaning now :dozey:

[steveaki13]

Amazing move by Alonso and amazing defence by Alonso.

[pino]

Shut up Vettel and drive !!!

[steveaki13]

Sebs on new tyres.

Seb being a baby. What did Alonso do?

[dj_bytedisaster]

Amazing move by Alonso and amazing defence by Alonso.

That's what's called selective recognition. If Gutierrez does it, it's reckless. If Lewis or Alonso do it, it's amazing ;)

[donKey jote]

Come on Bottas, 40 seconds in 13 laps, you can do it ! :D

[donKey jote]

That's what's called selective recognition. If Gutierrez does it, it's reckless. If Lewis or Alonso do it, it's amazing ;)

Or, if your Niki, it's hard but fair ;)

[veeten]

Sebs on new tyres.

Seb being a baby. What did Alonso do?

pass him, and quite well. ;)

[dj_bytedisaster]

pass him, and quite well. ;)

wrong, Vettel complained about the chop into the corner. a lap later Alonso wept about seb being off track. Bit of a housewife quarrel going on there

[donKey jote]

come on Vet, you can do it :D

[donKey jote]

handbags time :laugh:

[steveaki13]

That's what's called selective recognition. If Gutierrez does it, it's reckless. If Lewis or Alonso do it, it's amazing ;)

What are you talking about. :confused: I never mind drivers defending like that. You're think about someone else. :)

[dj_bytedisaster]

Ferrari seem to look for alternative measures to make 'nando's life easier...

[steveaki13]

Ferrari and Red Bull moaning..... :confused:

Get on and race you Donkeys

[donKey jote]

and another one :laugh:

[pino]

Vettel frustrated due to Ricciardo ahead of him, once again ! ;)

[dj_bytedisaster]

It must be frustrating to have a car that simply has no top speed. That RB is massively faster in the corners, but the Fezza just zips off into the distance on the straight. No wonder they are fed up with that dyson in the back of their car

[dj_bytedisaster]

Vettel frustrated due to Ricciardo ahead of him, once again ! ;)

Not much of a miracle when stuck behind a Ferrari and on the worse strategy on top of it.

[Zico]

What a battle between Alonso and Vettel... great stuff!

[donKey jote]

and Vettel does another one :laugh:

[donKey jote]

PHEW !!!
well done Vet !!!

[longisland]

Seb, you made the pass. Stop whining

[steveaki13]

It must be frustrating to have a car that simply has no top speed. That RB is massively faster in the corners, but the Fezza just zips off into the distance on the straight. No wonder they are fed up with that dyson in the back of their car

Can't understand why they don't tweek the straight line speed.

Anyway great side by side battle and a lovely pass by Seb.

They were so close..... It reminds me of Senna v Mansell down the straight in Spain

[donKey jote]

although he did go off after the pass :andrea: :laugh:

[steveaki13]

Fred stop Moaning

[dj_bytedisaster]

Seb, you made the pass. Stop whining

Well Alonso's chopping was definitely borderline.

[donKey jote]

now it's alo's turn to moan :laugh:

[dj_bytedisaster]

Can't understand why they don't tweek the straight line speed.


They can't. The Renault is just too weak, so they had to use a gear ratio to optimize for cornering speed to keep up at all. And they can't change gear ratios during the season

[longisland]

Fred, stop whining. Seb's pass was good

[veeten]

sorry Jense, don't see it happening.

[veeten]

and Maldo goes Boom!...

[N4D13]

Fred, stop whining. Seb's pass was good
According to the wording in the regs, it wasn't. Seb went with all wheels outside of the white line, which was a reason to get one's time disallowed in qualifying and might cause a penalty since he overtook like that. But I agree that it would be an extremely harsh penalty.

Now, if he actually used DRS outside of the right zones, that needs a penalty. But I think that Alonso was just chasing ghosts there because that sounds way too unlikely.

[donKey jote]

oh well, well done + lucky ham, excellent bottas, alo nice apart from the moaning

[donKey jote]

"Ingerland" wtf ? :rolleyes: :laugh:

[dj_bytedisaster]

According to the wording in the regs, it wasn't. Seb went with all wheels outside of the white line, which was a reason to get one's time disallowed in qualifying and might cause a penalty since he overtook like that. But I agree that it would be an extremely harsh penalty.

Alo was of the track at least twice, too, so I don't think any of them will be penalized. But then it was ferrari lodging a protest - they even got an inquiry for the phantom yellow in Brazil 2012, so you never know.

[donKey jote]

Alo quite happy on Antena3 :)
Apparently two laps before the shenanigans with Vet he even asked pits if he should retire...

[journeyman racer]

According to the wording in the regs, it wasn't. Seb went with all wheels outside of the white line, which was a reason to get one's time disallowed in qualifying and might cause a penalty since he overtook like that. But I agree that it would be an extremely harsh penalty.

Now, if he actually used DRS outside of the right zones, that needs a penalty. But I think that Alonso was just chasing ghosts there because that sounds way too unlikely.

It may appear harsh. But with the generous amount of run-off there is, it would have to be strictly applied (if they're serious). You wouldn't have gotten away with that before. It condones a lower standard of driving.

[N4D13]

It may appear harsh. But with the generous amount of run-off there is, it would have to be strictly applied (if they're serious). You wouldn't have gotten away with that before. It condones a lower standard of driving.
Oh, well, that would only be consistent with what we saw in qualifying. But I'm fairly sure that they don't have the cahunas to do that.

[Ranger]

That was a great duel. Easily one of the best F1 duels I've seen in a long time.

[Hawkmoon]

This track limits thing is getting rather old. If they don't want them driving over the lines don't put tarmac on the other side. They won't cross the line then.

[steveaki13]

Lewis has a point.

Where is the lovely BRDC throphy
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/06/article-0-01DDE4AE00000578-3_468x286.jpg

Instead we get the cheap and nasty sponsor throphy.

[steveaki13]

That was a great duel. Easily one of the best F1 duels I've seen in a long time.

Rather than track limits, we should be celebrating a great battle. Alonso pass was so ballsy and his defence was great and Sebastians pass was epic.

Two great drivers racing hard and close, and yet when it happens people moan.

Well done Seb & Fernando.

[rjbetty]

Just got in and saw the result having had to go out before Q3.

Wow that was some error from Hamilton. He does look quite despondent. A real shame as I would even say there are shades of Fisichella here i.e. not seeming that strong mentally.

Superb effort from Marussia though. What a shame Chilton has a gearbox penalty on his highest ever finishing position. Hopefully Bianchi might be able to capitalise and get an important top 13 result to help consolidate those 2pts a bit.

But congrats to Rosberg who got this fair and square this time. I feel Silverstone has been a weaker track for him historically (see my memories in post #2) so to win this one would be a big deal. This championship is seeming a little like 1984 (rather than 1988). To be fair to Nico, Zico, ;) I wouldn't say he was lucky today, though I hear he escaped another penalty yesterday. 9 lives or what?

Seb should get a podium tomorrow all going well. He needs to do well against Dan this time, and it's looking good today.

Shocked to see Ferrari and Williams out as I didn't think we'd get another Malaysia 2010, the teams having learned and become more professional.

Just got in and saw the result having had to go out after the red flag.

Wow that was some result from Hamilton given what happened yesterday. Winning didn't look that likely, but more so than Austria here he was within 2sec of Rosberg having started 9th.

Bit of a disappointment from Marussia, who may have been hoped to beat Sutil, having started ahead.

I don't want to have any feelings of schadenfreude, but regarding Rosberg, it's more of a feeling that he and Lewis are now more on a level playing field now, and I think that's all that Lewis and I want.

Seb didn't get a podium today, in fact Daniel did, having started 6 places down. Any reasons for this such as being in traffic need to retrospectively be applied to all Mark Webber's races, in the interests of fairness.

Shocked to see Williams and Bottas 2nd. 2 podiums in a row just like in my Grand Prix 2 season. :p With K-Mag 7th, this should bag me a decent result in FGP.

I don't know if Perez had any issues but it was important Hulk was 3 places ahead today, reversing a recent trend.

[donKey jote]

The UK coverage is bollox... "Alonso is steaming mad" ?
He obviously hasn't spoken with him :rolleyes:

Horner doesn't fall for it :laugh:

[steveaki13]

Bit of a disappointment from Marussia, who may have been hoped to beat Sutil, having started ahead.



I agree. Marussia and Bianchi were in the field for 5-6 laps after the restart but dropped quite quickly after that.

I suspect the high downforce & high-speed circuit at Silverstone will not suit their lower downforce car.

[steveaki13]

The UK coverage is bollox... "Alonso is steaming mad" ?
He obviously hasn't spoken with him :rolleyes:

Horner doesn't fall for it :laugh:

I know. Anything to get a "Big Story" or start a war of words. :rolleyes:

[dj_bytedisaster]

Wow that was some result from Hamilton given what happened yesterday. Winning didn't look that likely, but more so than Austria here he was within 2sec of Rosberg having started 9th.


Seriously, that sounds like Vettels 'we worked hard' bullshit last season. Rosberg and Hamilton are guaranteed to finish 2nd at worst if nothing breaks on the car regardless of where they start.

[N4D13]

The UK coverage is bollox... "Alonso is steaming mad" ?
He obviously hasn't spoken with him :rolleyes:

Horner doesn't fall for it :laugh:
Well, judging by the tone of his complaint on Vettel's DRS, I can't judge them over that. That sounded mad all right!

[donKey jote]

That was in the heat of the race... afterwards he was quite OK with it all.

You really need to get Antena3 :laugh:

[Bagwan]

Great race .

Fred could have been mistaken about Vettel's DRS , but he sounded pretty sure about it .
The thing that bolsters that idea for me is that his rival , who he had been complaining about going too wide , went wide on the very lap Fred was passed , and he , himself , kept it nicely inside the boundaries .

And , quite apart from the possible DRS deployment , that much is enough of an issue to investigate and consider punishment .
Stewards had warned them all that this infringement would be closely scrutinized .

[steveaki13]

Seriously, that sounds like Vettels 'we worked hard' bullshit last season. Rosberg and Hamilton are guaranteed to finish 2nd at worst if nothing breaks on the car regardless of where they start.

and Mansell in 1992. Lapping most of the field and saying "Jeez that was so tough, much harder than it looked" :p

[steveaki13]

Alonso looks steaming mad on Sky, he's only smiled 6 times and made 3 jokes. :eek:

[donKey jote]

On UK TV he also seems just as happy as he was on A3 :)

[donKey jote]

Alonso looks steaming mad on Sky, he's only smiled 6 times and made 3 jokes. :eek:

told you :laugh:

[N4D13]

Great race .

Fred could have been mistaken about Vettel's DRS , but he sounded pretty sure about it .
The thing that bolsters that idea for me is that his rival , who he had been complaining about going too wide , went wide on the very lap Fred was passed , and he , himself , kept it nicely inside the boundaries .

And , quite apart from the possible DRS deployment , that much is enough of an issue to investigate and consider punishment .
Stewards had warned them all that this infringement would be closely scrutinized .
I wouldn't be surprised now if they gave Vet a 5-second penalty now. That would allow them to save face ("he broke the rules, so we're penalizing him") whilst not altering the final positions at all.

[Bagwan]

I wouldn't be surprised now if they gave Vet a 5-second penalty now. That would allow them to save face ("he broke the rules, so we're penalizing him") whilst not altering the final positions at all.

Except that , if it's an enfringement as it seems to be , and it seems to have enabled the pass , what precedent does it set ?
Should one be allowed to clearly break the rules during a pass ?
It seems kind of clear to me .

As to those who have mentioned how calm Fred was in interviews afterwards(I haven't seen ), I would think he would have spoken to his team about it , and may have been calmed by knowing they would look into a protest .
That would certainly be plausible as a reason he would be relaxed about it .


I should mention here , that I thoroughly enjoyed the battle , so kudos to both drivers .

[airshifter]

Except that , if it's an enfringement as it seems to be , and it seems to have enabled the pass , what precedent does it set ?
Should one be allowed to clearly break the rules during a pass ?
It seems kind of clear to me .

As to those who have mentioned how calm Fred was in interviews afterwards(I haven't seen ), I would think he would have spoken to his team about it , and may have been calmed by knowing they would look into a protest .
That would certainly be plausible as a reason he would be relaxed about it .


I should mention here , that I thoroughly enjoyed the battle , so kudos to both drivers .


Personally I think the track limits rule is being poorly handled all around. They make a big deal out of it during qualification, and then consistently let it slide over and over during the races. Both Alonso and Vettel were clearly four wheels off numerous times, before and after the battle. Others were as well including Hulkenberg several times and blatantly. I counted at least 6 drivers that were clearly off at some point, and well enough off that the coverage I watched allowed clearing freezing a frame where there was no doubt at all.

Indy Car does a great job with this rule. Regardless of battles, track position, etc they look at telemetry and if a driver gained an advantage they have to give it back. Though it may seem tough to enforce, it really isn't and Indy Car proves that.

It shouldn't matter what your position is relative to another car. If you go 4 wheels off you are altering the allowed racing line and have potential to gain advantage. Even if not near another car it either saves tires, or increases speed through a corner.



Overall not a bad race, but not a great one either IMO. The best battle on track was obviously Alonso and Vettel, and both should have just shut up and driven IMO. Some very good drives by drivers hardly noticed, but consistent and staying out of trouble the entire race. Seb and Fred should have shared tissues after all that whining!

As for Button and Mag, both good drives in comparison to what I was expecting. I never thought there was a chance Button could do anything with Daniel, but I think the home track thing gave some that hope. Strong drive by Bottas yet again, and really all in the top 10 worked for those positions.


After being obviously upset at his decision yesterday, Lewis calmed down and raced. He didn't even let the slower stop bother him and rather than his usual said something positive to the team about it. Shame Nico broke, because I think Lewis had the better of him today, but I guess we'll never know. At least now the title fight is closer again.

[henners88]

Just caught the highlights of a good race. Nice to see the championship evened out a little and hopefully a fully motivated Hamilton going forward. He needs to iron out these mistakes in qualifying as he's been the better race driver of the two this year with the pace. Some great wheel to wheel action between Vettel and Alonso even if they cried a bit afterwards lol. Nice to see Ricciardo continue his form out performing his multiple world champion team mate too! Over all a decent race to watch, thumbs up. :)

[The Black Knight]

Just caught the highlights of a good race. Nice to see the championship evened out a little and hopefully a fully motivated Hamilton going forward. He needs to iron out these mistakes in qualifying as he's been the better race driver of the two this year with the pace. Some great wheel to wheel action between Vettel and Alonso even if they cried a bit afterwards lol. Nice to see Ricciardo continue his form out performing his multiple world champion team mate too! Over all a decent race to watch, thumbs up. :)

My thoughts exactly. Now all we need is another DNF for Rosberg and win for Hammy and a 1-2 with Hammy winning to truly even things out. That'll even out the 25 for Canada he lost and 7 points he lost with Rosberg's cheating in Monaco.

I felt Hammy would have taken the race win today regardless of what happened anyway. He was definitely the quicker of the two drivers today. I can't say I feel sorry for Rosberg after his Monaco antics.

Good race today and some great drives by the top 6.

[dj_bytedisaster]

and 7 points he lost with Rosberg's cheating in Monaco.


The stewards looked into it, had all the telemetry data and said that there was nothing to prove it was deliberate. What do you know that the stewards at the time didn't?

[rjbetty]

The stewards looked into it, had all the telemetry data and said that there was nothing to prove it was deliberate. What do you know that the stewards at the time didn't?

The stewards also disqualified (for crying out loud!) Hamilton in Spa 2008, and penalised Bourdais in Japan that year for a crash widely considered Massa's fault, and also Hamilton as well in that race, while not penalising Massa for a stupid crash with David Coulthard in Australia.

Perhaps the stewards don't always get it right, or certainly in the case of 2008 seem politically motivated, and it's not too nutty to consider that possibility, given they also penalised Alonso at Monza in 2006.

Whether Nico parked it deliberately or on purpose, his error worked out extremely well for him.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Whether Nico parked it deliberately or on purpose, his error worked out extremely well for him.

Only because it worked out for him doesn't mean he did it deliberately. Hamilton had every chance to go out before nico. Nobody seems to scream bloody murder that Hamiltons error at Austria denied Nico a second attempt and handed Pole to the Williamses. Lately the Hamilton brigade has been worse than the tifosi...

I'm seriously starting to wonder what this is all about. Vettel and Rosberg seem to get a lot of stick from people lately.

[rjbetty]

Nobody seems to scream bloody murder that Hamiltons error at Austria denied Nico a second attempt and handed Pole to the Williamses.

Well that might be because Hamilton didn´t benefit from his error (and then act like he beat everyone by being so much better), he was punished for it, which seems more pure and right.


EDIT: I meant to say deliberately or by accident.

[Jag_Warrior]

My, my, my... for some reason the sun shone particularly bright this afternoon. And uh, how are all of you fine folks doing this wonderful day? All is well, I trust. Nothing special going on. Just, ya know, the average/normal stuff. My boy hauled in a boatload of points... an amazing drive really, while his closest competitor parked his broken car and watched from the pits. And all across the field, there was just all kinds of crazy racin' goin' on. And I do mean craaazy!

We need to have more Sunday's like this. The Sundays where Lewis' car breaks... I don't like those Sundays.

[henners88]

My thoughts exactly. Now all we need is another DNF for Rosberg and win for Hammy and a 1-2 with Hammy winning to truly even things out. That'll even out the 25 for Canada he lost and 7 points he lost with Rosberg's cheating in Monaco.

I felt Hammy would have taken the race win today regardless of what happened anyway. He was definitely the quicker of the two drivers today. I can't say I feel sorry for Rosberg after his Monaco antics.

Good race today and some great drives by the top 6.
I'd be happy with a straight fight from now on with good reliability for both drivers. I know Lewis has had more DNF's than Nico, but seeing as he's hit worse luck, he's only 4 points behind in the championship and that's a credit to Lewis and the performances he has put in. It was an important win for Lewis as it came at a point where many are questioning his qualifying performances and it was also the teams home race as well as Hamilton's. The next race will be important because it is the brands home race and also Nico's so he will be gunning for a victory. Hopefully Hamilton carries the high of winning at Silverstone and we have a straight fight. The season is getting interesting again and its good to see Ferrari and Red Bull with a bit more pace. Hockenheim although it has fast straights it also has some low speed corners so I expect qualifying to be close after the first two grid slots.

I was gutted Jenson didn't pick up 3rd place yesterday. It was an emotional weekend for him all round and with just about every journalist trying to make him cry by reminding him his Dad is dead, I thought a podium might give him a boost as I thought he drove well all weekend. Good result for Daniel though and he seemed pleased they had made the best of the situation. He is on a run this season and I don't think many expected him to have the upper hand over Vettel. I hoped it would be close but he's driving his back side off and its paying dividends.

[journeyman racer]

My thoughts exactly. Now all we need is another DNF for Rosberg and win for Hammy and a 1-2 with Hammy winning to truly even things out. That'll even out the 25 for Canada he lost and 7 points he lost with Rosberg's cheating in Monaco.
.
This is some of the dumbest logic applied, since I've started reading these forums. This is the second time your Hamilton fanboyism have given me the ****s. Absolutely no understanding of the nature of motorsport. Next time Rosberg is leading the qualifying late, do you want him to pull into the pits before what would be his last attempt, to give Hamilton a "fair" shot at pole?

What we need is for Hamilton to have a clear lead, only for the car to break down and have Rosberg inherit the wins, for the next four races. Just to make me/neutrals smile that a lot of Hamilton fanboys are suffering a severe case of a sore bot bot.

It 's poor reflection on others. That when Rosberg did finally retire, my first thought was that hopefully that'll shut up the Hamilton nuffies. But clearly, it hasn't. Go and take an interest in another sport/competition.

[Jag_Warrior]

I was gutted Jenson didn't pick up 3rd place yesterday. It was an emotional weekend for him all round and with just about every journalist trying to make him cry by reminding him his Dad is dead, I thought a podium might give him a boost as I thought he drove well all weekend. Good result for Daniel though and he seemed pleased they had made the best of the situation. He is on a run this season and I don't think many expected him to have the upper hand over Vettel. I hoped it would be close but he's driving his back side off and its paying dividends.

Although I've been really happy to see Daniel "the Smiling Assassin" Ricciardo put Vettel in his place this year (though I rather like Vettel too), yes, with his dad being such a presence in his life, I could have stood to see Button get that podium at Ricciardo's expense.

I admit, I was expecting Daniel to be destroyed by Vettel this year. I certainly didn't expect Vettel to implode and/or get back all the bad luck that he's avoided the past 4 years all in the first half of this season! Man, Karma has a vicious right hook, eh?

[The Black Knight]

The stewards looked into it, had all the telemetry data and said that there was nothing to prove it was deliberate. What do you know that the stewards at the time didn't?

The stewards have had telemetry for lots of accidents that they have ruled the wrong way against. If you can explain to me why Nico locked up a lot harder in the race, on more than one occasion, and made Mirabeau each time, then I'll accept he isn't a cheat. I also need an explanation why he was sawing the steering wheel before his rears locked up. I've yet to hear a clearly logical explanation for either one.

[The Black Knight]

This is some of the dumbest logic applied, since I've started reading these forums. This is the second time your Hamilton fanboyism have given me the ****s. Absolutely no understanding of the nature of motorsport. Next time Rosberg is leading the qualifying late, do you want him to pull into the pits before what would be his last attempt, to give Hamilton a "fair" shot at pole?

What we need is for Hamilton to have a clear lead, only for the car to break down and have Rosberg inherit the wins, for the next four races. Just to make me/neutrals smile that a lot of Hamilton fanboys are suffering a severe case of a sore bot bot.

It 's poor reflection on others. That when Rosberg did finally retire, my first thought was that hopefully that'll shut up the Hamilton nuffies. But clearly, it hasn't. Go and take an interest in another sport/competition.

It's pretty straight forward logic I've used hear. Sorry if you're not smart enough to follow it.

[The Black Knight]

I'd be happy with a straight fight from now on with good reliability for both drivers. I know Lewis has had more DNF's than Nico, but seeing as he's hit worse luck, he's only 4 points behind in the championship and that's a credit to Lewis and the performances he has put in. It was an important win for Lewis as it came at a point where many are questioning his qualifying performances and it was also the teams home race as well as Hamilton's. The next race will be important because it is the brands home race and also Nico's so he will be gunning for a victory. Hopefully Hamilton carries the high of winning at Silverstone and we have a straight fight. The season is getting interesting again and its good to see Ferrari and Red Bull with a bit more pace. Hockenheim although it has fast straights it also has some low speed corners so I expect qualifying to be close after the first two grid slots.

I was gutted Jenson didn't pick up 3rd place yesterday. It was an emotional weekend for him all round and with just about every journalist trying to make him cry by reminding him his Dad is dead, I thought a podium might give him a boost as I thought he drove well all weekend. Good result for Daniel though and he seemed pleased they had made the best of the situation. He is on a run this season and I don't think many expected him to have the upper hand over Vettel. I hoped it would be close but he's driving his back side off and its paying dividends.

I agree with Hammy, he should really be 29 points in the lead of the championship now but at least he is almost back on level terms. The fact that he is only 4 points behind with 5 race wins to Rosberg's 3 and he did it without cheating is indeed a credit to him.

I am not a big Jenson fan but I was gunning for him to get 3rd today as well. It would have felt like a race victory to him but regardless he did his Dad proud either way by the sterling drive that he put in. Agreed in Ricciardo. He's turning out to be a fine driver and while I think Vettel will get closer to him as the year progresses, Ricciardo has surprised everyone so far. Good on him!

[Zico]

Only because it worked out for him doesn't mean he did it deliberately.

You must be one of the tiny few who actually believes he (Rosberg) didn't do it on purpose. Personally I have no doubts and so I've dug 321Go's Gifs out for you. Let's compare Rosberg's driving during his pole lap, to his aborted lap.

Pole lap below.

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-24-2014/EU3_7m.gif


Note how Rosberg calmly and smoothly drives around the bump on approach to Mirabeau, and how close he gets to the fence on entry, just a few inches away, like he would have done a million times before.


Aborted lap below.

http://giant.gfycat.com/SnappyEquatorialBabirusa.gif


Open both links and place them side by side.

Note how Rosberg goes around the bump in exactly the same manner, but then stays much straighter, goes no where near as close to the fence as his pole lap, and then he starts sawing at the wheel which upsets the balance and induces the tiniest of brake lock up. The outside shot shows how wide he was from the fence, and the back end of the car is planted until he saws at the wheel then hits the brakes which makes the back end slide around under brakes, and front right lock up. It's almost as if he was trying for a Scandinavian flick!



Still believe it wasn't on purpose?

[odykas]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br9mdReIMAA6dRo.png

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[Zico]

:laugh:

[Tazio]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br9mdReIMAA6dRo.png

...............................87 WDC points............................................ .......19 WDC points :laugh:


http://www.aperfectworld.org/cartoons/2002/bitchslap.gif


:laugh:

[jens]

I personally support Rosberg in the title fight. I think he is one of the most intelligent F1 drivers, likable calm bloke, who has been waiting for his opportunities for many years and thus been underrated. But he has been a very good driver ever since 2007, when I noticed him doing a very impressive season in the Williams, while Hamilton got all the attention at McLaren.

I suspect Hamilton is a slightly bigger favourite for the title though. But it still remains to be seen, how they perform in the final races of the season, when the pressure is truly on, which can also have a significant influence on the outcome.

British GP. First two well clear (until Nico's retirement), then an interesting race behind them. Disappointing that Force India seems to be losing ground. Hülkenberg must be wondering, when will he finally get his first podium, while he is seeing all his peers getting at least some (Bottas now on 2 podiums as well).

[journeyman racer]

It's pretty straight forward logic I've used hear. Sorry if you're not smart enough to follow it.
I made a mistake before. I said "dumbest logic", implying there was logic applied at all. I'm telling you now. If you're going to piss and moan about mechanical problems in motorsport, then motorsport is not for you. Breakdowns are a natural part of motorsport, particularly the higher the level you go. You, or anyone else who thinks otherwise, and that there should be some type of retribution or evening out, is deluded. Rosberg has driven pretty well this year. If the season had ended now, I wouldn't begrudge him the title. I would acknowledge the troubles Hamilton has had. But I wouldn't piss and moan about it like all his followers do. Mechanical breakdowns happen in motorsport. It's unfortunate for some, but there no "injustice".

And fair dinkum crying over that incident at Monaco. Even if it was deliberately done (I don't care). If Hamilton cannot overcome that in a 19 race season, then he's a soft**** and is not tough enough (good enough?) to be champion anyway.

FMD. Too many theatregoers parading as motorsport fans nowadays.

[The Black Knight]

I made a mistake before. I said "dumbest logic", implying there was logic applied at all. I'm telling you now. If you're going to piss and moan about mechanical problems in motorsport, then motorsport is not for you. Breakdowns are a natural part of motorsport, particularly the higher the level you go. You, or anyone else who thinks otherwise, and that there should be some type of retribution or evening out, is deluded. Rosberg has driven pretty well this year. If the season had ended now, I wouldn't begrudge him the title. I would acknowledge the troubles Hamilton has had. But I wouldn't piss and moan about it like all his followers do. Mechanical breakdowns happen in motorsport. It's unfortunate for some, but there no "injustice".

And fair dinkum crying over that incident at Monaco. Even if it was deliberately done (I don't care). If Hamilton cannot overcome that in a 19 race season, then he's a soft**** and is not tough enough (good enough?) to be champion anyway.

FMD. Too many theatregoers parading as motorsport fans nowadays.

I love the way this is getting you so riled up but, hey, if you want to support a cheat, be my guest. It says more about you then I need to know really :)