Rally D'Italia Sardegna 2014

[stefanvv]

Mikkelsen 13:29.0: "We have a broken damper"

Pitty, was great fight

EDIT. let's hope he finish

[papar007]

Paddon on top 8, great performance.

[Ucci]

What excuse will R.Kubica give this time ?'He has thrown away a perfect opportunity to grab extra points for championship....

[dimviii]

Guys now is the good dog fight.
I made a cold frappe coffee with nice big ice cubes,i am on my balcony with sunny weather.
http://thegroundbean.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/coffee-frappe.png

[dimviii]

seems that now is more abrassive than morning

Evans 13:36.4: "was OK, quite abrasive in there, lot more tyre work...have to be careful on the next stage"

[dimviii]

Latvala 13:17.6: "We stalled the engine, we don't know the reason, my mistake, technical...now it's a matter of saving the tyres"

[papar007]

Σκέτο γάλα παρακαλώ!

[FUNKYXXXXX]

I wish Latvala the best.

[dimviii]

Paddon has stopped in the stage but is reported moving again

[Eli]

they didn't say that on the world rally radio.

[dimviii]

before 3 minutes
Paddon showing stopped at the moment

[Rallyper]

Frappe. I remember the cafe Freddo as well from the journey in Loutraki. right name?

[Rallyper]

What about Henning and Neuville?

Edit: Aah, saw Neuvilles times back again.

[stefanvv]

Paddon on top 8, great performance.

You shouldn't say that

[papar007]

You shouldn't say that

I'll look at my pickems and then i will speak!

[dimviii]

Frappe. I remember the cafe Freddo as well from the journey in Loutraki. right name?

yep freddo is this one
http://www.nline.gr/s032/freddo_cappuccino.jpg

[dimviii]

Latvala started.

[stefanvv]

I'll look at my pickems and then i will speak!

Yeah, ok, but Hyundai.....

[papar007]

Frappe. I remember the cafe Freddo as well from the journey in Loutraki. right name?
Frappe is something else,not a freddo not just a coffe, i can't specify it!

[papar007]

Sorry no Hyundai for me at pickems, sorry!
Latvala stop?

[Eli]

Latvala stopped for a second...heart-raising moment....if a VW retires it needs to be Ogier,if Latvala wants a chance at the title

[dimviii]

Latvala stopped.

[dimviii]

Latvala +2 minutes at 2nd split game over

[dimviii]

with just 2 minutes is 5th overall,lets see if its only 2minutes

[Eli]

Latvala stopped for a second...heart-stopping moment....if a VW retires it needs to be Ogier,if Latvala wants a chance at the title

[stefanvv]

Moving slowly, it's over I think

[dimviii]

Latvala was late already at 1st split watch this

No first split for Ogier, but at second split he's 8.5 faster than Østberg, who was 2.6 faster than Latvala at first split

[Tom206wrc]

No more split for Östberg :confused:

[Rallyper]

Game over!

[dimviii]

Nasser 10 sec slower from 1st pass at 2nd split.Behind Jaris dust?

[dimviii]

Paddon moving again

[Eli]

Game over!
unless Ogier Retires in Poland, and Latvala finnishes all the rallies in top postion maybe, maybe...but it looks decreasingly likely..

[dimviii]

@citroen racing Latvalas 2nd splitis 2,02min vs wrc official 1,43 min

[stefanvv]

tough Rally, who hadn't problems? Ogier & Ostberg?

[Tom206wrc]

Ogier is far too fast :eek:

[bluuford]

http://rally-base.com/2014/rally-italia-sardegna-2014/?ssId=2384&cupId=161
Look at these notional times for SS11...crazy... some drivers were faster under the yellow flag..

[dimviii]

citroen racing has different splits at Nasser,Ostberg and Latvala vs wrc site

[dimviii]

at citroen racing there are 4 splits for Latvala,at 2 minutes,seems tyre change

http://www.citroenracing.com/live-results/?id=7284&idEpr=SS13&typf=split&car=1

[stefanvv]

splits showed at wrc.com now, looks like a puncture

[papar007]

At least we have a great fight for 2nd place.

[stefanvv]

Looks like 2nd is still in sight for Latvala

EDIT: if wrc.com splits are the correct ones

[Eli]

At least we have a great fight for 2nd place.
you mean we will have 2mmorow?

[papar007]

Yes

[dimviii]

Protasov stopped

[bluuford]

moving.. +3 minutes

[Eli]

Yes

sounds correct with 20 seconds between the 2

[makinen_fan]

Nasser reported stopped

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala is trying to reduce gap he lost to Meeke ;)

[dimviii]

WRC2 leader Al-Attiyah stopped on the stage

[A FONDO]

dimvi stopped :laugh:

[dimviii]

Hyundai Motorsport @HyundaiWRC · 2 λεπ.
Team has decided to stop @HaydenPaddon mid-stage to prevent any further damage to the engine. Issue will be investigated fully later.

[dimviii]

dimvi stopped :laugh:

no Slowson i am here 2 days.Not like you that writes something when Ogier is safe leader.Go back to your cave now,and take your pills.

[dimviii]

Latvala : "My mistake... we touched a rock, we damaged the wheel and had to change it...also I am losing the brakes. Very disappointing"

[A FONDO]

You have a short memory. It is only this time I was not available to follow closely. And I am leaving soon so no more from me.

[Eli]

it's not worthwhile for Ostberg to push tommorow, he'll be on the podium anways so...he needs to keep his place whether it's 2nd or 3rd...

[Tom206wrc]

Chardonnet soon new leader WRC2 ???? :)
We have to wait how much Sousa will lose before ;)

[makinen_fan]

Shame for Latvala. At least there is a three way fight for 2-3-4 places tomorrow, but I bet Latvala to take 2nd easily.

btw do we know what happened to Kubica? rolled it again?

[Allyc85]

Kubica ripped a wheel off on SS12.

Shame for Latvala, I said Ogier would win though..

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpiyy9xCAAAaOVL.jpg:large

[papar007]

0,5 per Km and JM will be second

[dimviii]

You have a short memory. It is only this time I was not available to follow closely. And I am leaving soon so no more from me.

your pills dont forget.Good bye

[stefanvv]

I bet Latvala to take 2nd easily.
Perhaps won't be easy, if we consider his advantage over Ostberg prior to this stage, it is ~ 0.3 secs/km

[dimviii]

Bertelli new wrc2 leader

The Qatari has gone off the road at the same point as Yazeed Al Rajhi crashed this morning. Both Nasser and co-driver Gioovanni Bernacchini are OK.

[dimviii]

Al-Attiyah off, so Bertelli leads WRC2 at his home event, Sousa +1:24.3, Chardonnet +1:28.9, Al-Kuwari +3:04.4, Protasov +4:48.4

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6dpcapm6Y

[Tom206wrc]

Al-Attiyah off, so Bertelli leads WRC2 at his home event, Sousa +1:24.3, Chardonnet +1:28.9, Al-Kuwari +3:04.4, Protasov +4:48.4


On EWRC-Results Chardonnet is leading WRC2 ahead of Sousa for 7"6 :confused:

[stefanvv]

Lucky photographer @0:38, Ogier stoned him:
http://www.laola1.tv/en-int/video/stages-7-11-rally-italia-sardegna-2014/191316.html

[nafpaktos]

Why monte lerno 1 & 2 was interrupted?this is why i read something about yellow flags?and is it confirmed that jml and sebastian were playing games with the tracking control system without any consequences?i couldn't follow all the stages of the rally.

[bluuford]

http://rally-base.com/2014/rally-italia-sardegna-2014/?ssId=2384&cupId=161
can anyone explain how these times were calculated? I do not see any logic here! Some drivers lost more time here than they lost during the first 10 stages (Bertelli and Sousa) and others lost almost as much as they lost druing first 10 stages (Protasov, Chardonnet etc.). Or is it still wrong? It is changed compared to the initial table but does not sound realistic

[A FONDO]

your pills dont forget.Good bye

Not very fair to edit your post like that! You are even pitier than I thought!
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Strong performance from Ostberg today. Especially the last stage when he eventually cleared Mikkelsen.

Paddon is a total shame though.

[Ucci]

Kubica re-start tomorrow??

[stefanvv]

and is it confirmed that jml and sebastian were playing games with the tracking control system without any consequences?

The only game I know of, is driver can choose not to see other's splits on the stage, but I didn't hear anything about such

[Lord_Shaitan]

Car is still not in the service. By 0:10 am all cars have to be in the parc ferme so they might run out of time.

[Lord_Shaitan]

Kubica re-start tomorrow??
Car is still not in the service. By 0:10 am all cars have to be in the parc ferme so they might run out of time.

[satnav]

M-Sport have just reported that Kubica will restart tomorrow under Rally 2.

[Bartek]

What a bad luck for Robert...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=4sTiG6Ud9RA&app=desktop

[dimviii]

Not very fair to edit your post like that! You are even pitier than I thought!
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i havent edited something.
Take your pills please.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpjCxicCQAADbgp.png:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpi33UKIUAAwCxv.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpjLUnRCQAAUtGd.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpjKGa8CEAAS6iu.jpg:large

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpjhe4QIUAAkq89.jpg:large

Mikkelsen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpXfi8cIcAEV4Vo.jpg:large
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/62/206208_539332693.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/62/206230_5393326b5.jpg

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBBdgaZ0Ws

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2014/tan_ta_2014_8285.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2014/tan_ta_2014_8268.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2014/tan_ta_2014_8358.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2014/tan_ta_2014_8832.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13896&fotograf=79

[Jafry]

Photos from DAY2 HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1269

[Criterium]

Street View option is available for SS16 on RallyVista.
http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/15/38/23/21/srdstr10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1090&u=15382321)

http://www.interactiveinfluence.com/techali/rallyvista/

[dimviii]

http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/public/2014/pdf/Commissari_sportivi/stewards_decision_no.8.pdf

[Tom206wrc]

Al-Attiyah off, so Bertelli leads WRC2 at his home event, Sousa +1:24.3, Chardonnet +1:28.9, Al-Kuwari +3:04.4, Protasov +4:48.4


In fact now Chardonnet is 2nd WRC2 and Sousa quite far behind... :confused:

[GigiGalliNo1]

Everyone is asleep yeh?

[Tom206wrc]

Östberg shows Latvala he wants to keep his 2nd position :p

[Tom206wrc]

Huge time by Ott Tänak :eek:

[makinen_fan]

Good morning friends!
Mads showing that he will make it hard for Lavtala! with 38km and 24s between is almost impossible by driving

[Tom206wrc]

SS15 now running ;)

[dimviii]

good morning guys!

TYRE NEWS from Michelin
Paddon 3 softs, 2 hards
Neuville/Østberg 2 soft, 4 hard
Rest with 5 hards
@michelin_sport

[Tom206wrc]

So Mads hasn't the same tyre strategy as the VW guys...let's see ;)

[litifeta]

Puzzled by Paddon. He must have paid for that car. Atkinson and Bouffier miss out. Bouffier wins rallies, and Atkinson can at least get 5th or 6th

[MikeD]

@dimviii & Slowson,

Is there any way you can stop your personal battle in every thread. You have done this for a year and a half and it's childish and annoying that you ruin every thread with this behavior. It's one of the reasons I don't come in here more and this forum used to be a place where you could enjoy the sport and the knowledge from other members, and it's especially the two of you ruining it. I ask you in the most nice way ... please stop it.

[Tom206wrc]

Nice pace from Protasov on SS16 ;)

[litifeta]

is the power stage streamed anywhere? WRC radio said it was televised?

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala really fast on split 1 SS16...let's see what strategy Östberg will adopt for this penultimate stage ;)

Edit: Mads 0"3 faster on split 1 :p
He finally get 16" advantage over Jari-Mati before the 8km power stage...good :)

[makinen_fan]

is the power stage streamed anywhere? WRC radio said it was televised?

yes BT Sports 1 will show it 1100 UK time

[litifeta]

Latvala really fast on split 1 SS16...let's see what strategy Östberg will adopt for this penultimate stage ;)



Play with Latvala's head. Give him back 5 or 10 seconds and make him overdrive on the final stage

[Tom206wrc]

Chardonnet is about to offer the Citroën DS3 R5 a really nice result in WRC2 for its first international outing :cool:

But winner of the category will be without doubt local Bertelli ;)

[litifeta]

Chardonnet is about to offer the Citroën DS3 R5 a really nice result in WRC2 for its first international outing :cool:

But winner of the category will be without doubt local Bertelli ;)

Love the livery

[Tom206wrc]

Protasov better time than Meeke in SS16 ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Kruuda :confused:

Edit: OK I was worrying for another mechanical problem but it was only one split missing ;)

[FUNKYXXXXX]

Good morning everybody.
Does anybody know if they will broadcast the power stage anywhere ?

[litifeta]

Good morning everybody.
Does anybody know if they will broadcast the power stage anywhere ?

bt apparently in about an hour

http://www.wiz1.net/bt2

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpmBJ2uCIAAvJWS.jpg

[dimviii]

nice photo
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/65/206514_53941a009.jpg

[Eli]

anyone has live streaming which actually works?

[miniwintz]

Here -> http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/bt-sport-1-live-stream

[dimviii]

@dimviii & Slowson,

Is there any way you can stop your personal battle in every thread. You have done this for a year and a half and it's childish and annoying that you ruin every thread with this behavior. It's one of the reasons I don't come in here more and this forum used to be a place where you could enjoy the sport and the knowledge from other members, and it's especially the two of you ruining it. I ask you in the most nice way ... please stop it.

report to the mods .They will decide if i ruin this forum.

[Eli]

Here -> http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/bt-sport-1-live-stream
thankx very much

[Eli]

is it on BT sport 1 cause i see a diffrerent race started just now.

[Eli]

http://www.stream2watch.me/motor/world-rally-championship-2014-live-stream same site but better stream if anyone needs one.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Lorenzo started:

pic.twitter.com/y0poXmecHV

[dimviii]

Dettori
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpjfHo5CMAA7MrA.jpg:large

[litifeta]

JML needs to have a good talk to a sports psychologist

[Rallyper]

The new seb killing the WRC, no matter what they will try to do.

[Muchonen]

The new seb killing the WRC, no matter what they will try to do.
I'd rather say that VW's killing WRC. You have to admire that JML showed great pace and if not that flat tire, that would be close one between JML and Ogier.

[vasgko2]

I'd rather say that VW's killing WRC. You have to admire that JML showed great pace and if not that flat tire, that would be close one between JML and Ogier.

Somehow I agree. They've spend a lot of money and the other teams (especially M-Sport and Citroen) are not that eager to follow...

[Motorsportfun]

Ok, Rally Italy is over now. But I only would say thank you Sardinia, for the last decade. It was a great pleasure to see a top-class fight in top-class stages, once again, amongst the most challenging and fascinating in Europe.

But, as far as what I've seen this weekend, I feel that's a goodbye and in September, when WMSC will issue the 2015 calendar, I think we'll not see Italy anymore.

Thank you for everything, it was a great pleasure. We'll see, out there, in some other WRC event. Even also for a beer over a big rock, while screaming for some spectacular action.

[Eli]

Ok, Rally Italy is over now. But I only would say thank you Sardinia, for the last decade. It was a great pleasure to see a top-class fight in top-class stages, once again, amongst the most challenging and fascinating in Europe.

But, as far as what I've seen this weekend, I feel that's a goodbye and in September, when WMSC will issue the 2015 calendar, I think we'll not see Italy anymore.

Thank you for everything, it was a great pleasure. We'll see, out there, in some other WRC event. Even also for a beer over a big rock, while screaming for some spectacular action.

who knows and maybe they won't take it off the calander, time will tell

[Ucci]

My summary : Ogier, another victory, deserved, BUT he clearly has a decent rival; which will hopefully make this championship more interesting.
Mads Ostberg : second place in an astonishing result, he showed his maturity, made no mistake whatsoever and the ''bonus'' came in the 2.place. Well done, Mads!
Jari M.latvala : pity for that flat tyre, but if in the future he will not make mistakes, he is able to challenge Seb.....
Mikkelsen : 4.place is maximum in this period what we can expect from him. Thanks god that Polo is like a tank and all three drivers have no worries with the reliability.
Evans : very mature driving, the best Ford at the end, good for his self confidence.
Prokop : for a privateer good result, thanks to some retirements he can be very very happy.
Henning Solberg : I admire that guy, always very positive, it seems that he is enjoying every stage in the WRC car. He can still bring a surprise.
Robert Kubica : as he said on the last interview: 90% of the whole event was very positive for him, except that stupid mistake on M.Lerno...it is clearly showing that he has some experience from last year (although with another co-driver) and for this reason he will become on the next events the fastest Fiesta. Especially on tarmac where he will fight for the overall victory. He is also less hindered when driving on tarmac just with one hand. Remember my words...
Finally : Lorenzo Bertelli-the best way to end an event on home soil is to win the event. Ofcourse in his class. He showed that on so demanding rally in the WRC2 class pure speed is just a small part of succes. You have to be careful, taking care for the car, tyres, engine....it is (unfortunately) the only way to win an event closer to Paris Dakar than a normal rally. I think there will be a huge party in his camp....

[GigiGalliNo1]

Seriously Rally Italy fans?????

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/08/qazumesa.jpg

[Motorsportfun]

who knows and maybe they won't take it off the calander, time will tell

Many behind-the-scenes made me think that. Almost nothing was shown on the Media, but FIA Delegates saw it all.

[dimviii]

Seriously Rally Italy fans?????


wtf?http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/yikes.gif


Unofficial Points:
Ogier 138
Latvala 105
Østberg 66
Mikkelsen 63

VW 227
Citroën 109
M-Sport 78
VW II 64
Hyundai 57

[wrc45]

Sousa got a 5 minuta time penalty for using too many tyres. Protasov now third and Kruuda fourth.

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhTao1Tjomc

[stefanvv]

Great Rally, good duels, JML seems to grow in stability which is positive development, there is no one else who can challenge Ogier this year. Another positive is Kubica, he seems to realise how it should work and pedal to the metal is not the way to win WRC Rally. He still must learn an important lesson - don't cut too much corners if You don't drive Polo. i20 is total disappointment for me.

[Kalm]

:)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10247251_10152511166878641_7608616856462667709_n.j pg?oh=a11764ff47f0908a55f711837d30ae0f&oe=53E960DC&__gda__=1407472547_fd71dff4ede63ef87104ee6aee6e4ed b

[dimviii]

congrats to Ogier-Ingrassia,a VERY well deserved win.
positive surprise that Latvala can challenge him,will make championship not so boring.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/q80/s720x720/10325506_10152540928224973_9016929912108196642_n.j pg

[stefanvv]

Congrats to Ogier of course, difficult win, and to VW for 10th consecutive victory;)

[Allyc85]

Seriously Rally Italy fans?????

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/08/qazumesa.jpg

After recent events that is just unreal. How can his mate evern stand there and let him do that!

[N.O.T]

After recent events that is just unreal. How can his mate evern stand there and let him do that!

You cannot have such high standards for retarded lowlife scum... you just wait for natural selection to take over.

[Andre Oliveira]

Sousa got a 5 minuta time penalty for using too many tyres. Protasov now third and Kruuda fourth.

Bernardo Sousa get 5min penalty because use of more 2 tyres that allowed. It is a strange situation, because, he asks the use of other 2 tyres (different compound) not used + 2. :(

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2014/tan_ta_2014_8983.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2014/tan_ta_2014_8488.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13896&fotograf=79

[dimviii]

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[makinen_fan]

Maybe the closed call with the photographers Seb was talking about

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpnE9UkIgAA3psR.jpg:large

[Langdale Forest]

Those photographers were pushing it a bit to far.....

[dimviii]

radiator stories vol 9
http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/public/2014/pdf/Commissari_sportivi/stewards_decision_no.14.pdf

[Mirek]

radiator stories vol 9
http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/public/2014/pdf/Commissari_sportivi/stewards_decision_no.14.pdf

It's getting ridiculous.

[bassist]

After recent events that is just unreal. How can his mate evern stand there and let him do that!

This is all we need under current circumstances! Bloody `twats`

[bluuford]

Steward of the event were busy.. they recalculated stage times for ss11 and ss13 several times..this the best. Read the contentt:
http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/public/2014/pdf/Commissari_sportivi/stewards_decision_no.11.pdf

[bluuford]

Looking at the final leaderboard in WRC2 I can see that only one R5 car made it to the finish without superally. Chardonnet with DsS3 R5.
Three cars from the top four were so called RRC if I am not mistaken. So, the choice for the rally was definitely RRC (for those who had bigger budget). Tough rally.

[devil's land]

Sousa got a 5 minuta time penalty for using too many tyres. Protasov now third and Kruuda fourth.

The name for that is "italian job".
Firstly, he doesn't use 2 more tires. He swappes 2 tires for another compound. For this situation he mustn't have any penalization, he should be disqualified.
Secondly, why did he start after Gianluca Linari?? He drives about a hundred km in the dust and goes out of the road because of it.
Third, why at dawn did the organization steal his position and put him in the 4th behind Abdulaziz Al-Kuwari (who never wins a stage to Sousa during the rally!!)???
Fourth, the organization put into control card a wrong hour (50 minutes of difference) and the guy of the organization doesn't want to correct his mistake!

This organization was very bad. Unbelievable.

[dimviii]

Firstly, he doesn't use 2 more tires. He swappes 2 tires for another compound. For this situation he mustn't have any penalization, he should be disqualified.
.
http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/public/2014/pdf/Commissari_sportivi/stewards_decision_no.10.pdf

[makinen_fan]

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3890/14367426244_c8a57fc370_o.jpg

[PLuto]

I see that decisions by stewards (and also by Clerk of the Course) were sometimes really crazy...

[306 Cosworth]

Maybe the closed call with the photographers Seb was talking about

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpnE9UkIgAA3psR.jpg:large

That is my photo/screen grab. They were very lucky. A couple more cars were quite far over to their left too but the media idiots have moved a bit further back by then.

[wrc45]

The name for that is "italian job".
Firstly, he doesn't use 2 more tires. He swappes 2 tires for another compound. For this situation he mustn't have any penalization, he should be disqualified.
Secondly, why did he start after Gianluca Linari?? He drives about a hundred km in the dust and goes out of the road because of it.
Third, why at dawn did the organization steal his position and put him in the 4th behind Abdulaziz Al-Kuwari (who never wins a stage to Sousa during the rally!!)???
Fourth, the organization put into control card a wrong hour (50 minutes of difference) and the guy of the organization doesn't want to correct his mistake!

This organization was very bad. Unbelievable.
http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/p...sion_no.10.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A

Why you have to be mad.

[306 Cosworth]

Here's my highlights video from an amazing trip the beautiful island of Sardinia (Click the pic)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3837/14381758792_726d911e9e_o.jpg (http://youtu.be/SITPDjStglM)

[Bartek]

How this is possible that M-Sport didn't had insurance for a car? How it looks on normal roads between stages?

[Fly_Half]

Had an amazing time out in Sardinia, the stages are absolutely spectacular and the island itself is gloriously beautiful...however some of the organisation was pretty shocking and the Italian fans are a bit of a nightmare. The second run through Coiluna at the big jump was bordering on insanity.

Anyway here's a small selection of the shots I've worked through so far:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3916/14197031407_b6f3f72fc2_z.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3840/14196869418_371866a51e_z.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3879/14382049972_a83079e155_z.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3916/14403646493_40afb05a3a_z.jpg

Cheers,

Rhod

[wrc45]

How this is possible that M-Sport didn't had insurance for a car? How it looks on normal roads between stages?
The insurance costs alot (because well its a rally car ) and most of the time you dont need it. In this case it was just bad luck for Malcolm. Its always a risk not taking the insurance but if you dont burn the car down it saves you alot of money.

[Bartek]

The insurance costs alot (because well its a rally car ) and most of the time you dont need it. In this case it was just bad luck for Malcolm. Its always a risk not taking the insurance but if you dont burn the car down it saves you alot of money.

Ok, but they have insurance from normal things like a crash with a normal car between stages?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ok, but they have insurance from normal things like a crash with a normal car between stages?

Yes he probably has insurance for that... But he did not tick box that said "insurance for fire" ;)

[306 Cosworth]

Here's my highlights video from an amazing trip the beautiful island of Sardinia (Click the pic)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3837/14381758792_726d911e9e_o.jpg (http://youtu.be/SITPDjStglM)

Does anyone know how far Neuville and Ogier jumped at Crastazza in the picture above?

[JoostSchouten]

My full video of Rally Italia Sardegna 2014 is online!
An awesome event with a lot of dust, jumps and great powerslides.

Enjoy the video and share it if you like it!

http://i59.tinypic.com/2sb8xl4.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYj1rhJ7cgY

[Langdale Forest]

Yes he probably has insurance for that... But he did not tick box that said "insurance for fire" ;)


So Hirvonen's car was only 3rd party insurance cover on the road sections?

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_2VEaTPMR9yw/SpAagJsrbgI/AAAAAAAAAXg/blEFiqY_d6s/cat_bird_fail%5B2%5D.jpg?imgmax=800

[306 Cosworth]

So Hirvonen's car was only 3rd party insurance cover on the road sections?

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_2VEaTPMR9yw/SpAagJsrbgI/AAAAAAAAAXg/blEFiqY_d6s/cat_bird_fail%5B2%5D.jpg?imgmax=800

Like most rally cars then.

[br21]

There is no rally insurance which covers fire damage without accident happening prior to the fire. Simply people were cheating too often...

[dimviii]

nice videos Joost and 306 cosworth thanks mates!

[Simorally86]

Always a great event in Sardegna, nice stages, nice places and lovely food!
The Castrazza's jump this year was Amazing, Ogier probably junped almost 50 metres....i think that only in Finland you can see something like that!
Here some pics of the rally, enjoy
http://csrallyphotos.weebly.com/wrc-rally-italia-sardegna-2014.html

or on facebook https://www.facebook.com/csrallyphotos

[hanjob11]

Hi,

great event as the years before!

Pictures at http://www.rally3.de or on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.818760768136421.1073741836.100000075150295&type=1&l=50304432b9

Karsten

[PLuto]

The name for that is "italian job".
Firstly, he doesn't use 2 more tires. He swappes 2 tires for another compound. For this situation he mustn't have any penalization, he should be disqualified.
Secondly, why did he start after Gianluca Linari?? He drives about a hundred km in the dust and goes out of the road because of it.
Third, why at dawn did the organization steal his position and put him in the 4th behind Abdulaziz Al-Kuwari (who never wins a stage to Sousa during the rally!!)???
Fourth, the organization put into control card a wrong hour (50 minutes of difference) and the guy of the organization doesn't want to correct his mistake!

This organization was very bad. Unbelievable.

It is simple. Starting order to first leg is according to actual order in WRC2 championship. Bernardo with only 10 points from Portugal didnt have chance for better starting position...

[PLuto]

I have been looking through notional times from SS 11 and SS 13. And I must say, it is completely disaster. Clerk of the course destroyed the race by them for some crews... I hate this stupid system of giving notional times...

[bluuford]

I have been looking through notional times from SS 11 and SS 13. And I must say, it is completely disaster. Clerk of the course destroyed the race by them for some crews... I hate this stupid system of giving notional times...

Yeah.. I was amaze by the times and how many times they changed it.. I was following WRC2 closely and here is an example:
SS11 was cancelled and Tänak drove it in normal peed. approximately 8:30 slower than Nasser.
The first notional time for him was 9:50 slower than Nasser or something.. that is slower than his time under the yellow flags. The frit notional time for Sousa, and other top3 drivers was with the bigger loss than they lost during the first 10 stages in total!

Then it was changed to 02:30 loss for Tänak for both cases (SS11 and SS13) and finally it was changed to 1:19 and 1:34 for SS11 and SS13 respectively..

On the first case iony Nasser got the time without interruption. I would have given exatly Nassers time to all the remaining crews.. status quo.. no need to do nuclear physics. Second case was more complicated. I d not have solution here.

[PLuto]

I would have given exatly Nassers time to all the remaining crews.. status quo.. no need to do nuclear physics. Second case was more complicated. I d not have solution here.

I completely agree with you. Easy solution, fair to everybody and can be done immediatelly to all crews. But making stupid "coefficient system" and changing times during the race is big loss for the rallysport. From this point and also stewards decisions this was very bad comedy for rallysport. But with the ideas of Jost Capito, it looks like this was only overture...

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10389700_800553966636050_1547560150402831446_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10261964_801761013182012_568667847577110223_n.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/katikisphotography/photos_stream

[Langdale Forest]

There is no rally insurance which covers fire damage without accident happening prior to the fire. Simply people were cheating too often...



But why would someone want to burn out a WRC car for insurance money? Especially a big WRC team.

[dimviii]

guys you still believe than Malcolm lost 400.000 euro?

@Landale Forest
because with 400k from insurance will build 2 new ones.

[nafpaktos]

I've read that he lost 500.000 no 400.000.here the link http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/06/10/hirvonen-unfall-500000-euro-schaden/index.html

And of course i don't believe him.i think a modern wrc costs about 300k so i believe he exaggerates,but i cant find why.

[makinen_fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMEQQkqsNeM

[dimviii]

I've read that he lost 500.000 no 400.000.here the link http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/06/10/hirvonen-unfall-500000-euro-schaden/index.html

And of course i don't believe him.i think a modern wrc costs about 300k so i believe he exaggerates,but i cant find why.

400k or whatever is the cost to a customer.Not for him.


the why is because tomorow when you go to rent or buy a wrc you will now the cost,except the already renters they pay about 100-150k for ONE rally.

[tommeke_B]

400k or whatever is the cost to a customer.Not for him.

With spares (there should have been plenty of spare parts in the car since it was a day with remote service) it could be close to 400K (euros), for a customer Fiesta indeed. Of course we can question if the parts (production method, quality control etc.) of works and privateer cars are the same..

[OldF]

400k or whatever is the cost to a customer.Not for him.


the why is because tomorow when you go to rent or buy a wrc you will now the cost,except the already renters they pay about 100-150k for ONE rally.

That’s correct. You deserve few beers for the explanation.;)

The 400k £ / 493828 € (exchange rate, 1 £ = 1,234571 €) is not the cost for M-Sport. The cost for M-Sport depends on the net margin (sales price – costs for materials, development etc. = net margin).

[dimviii]

Tom cost of a wrc is a bit complicated due to many reasons.For example some reasons.
1)was the engine fresh,or it was near the rebuild time?
2)was the drivetrain new or close to rebuild?
3)turbo?

just these 3 to rebuild you need about 50.000 euro.

the list goes on with chassis,suspension,seats,driveshafts,arms,fuel cells etc.


http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/86/208632_5395578cb.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/85/208584_539557893.jpg
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/20/64/206488_539419f76.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

Don't forget the hours and time the team put into fixing the cars after rallies, the service crew members wages on the time spent on this chassis/built. The car has been around for a season +

[tommeke_B]

@ Dimviii of course it's complicated. But it could be near 400 000 euros, I think it's pretty much the price tag of a new or completely rebuilt Fiesta WRC with "basic" spares. Anyway, if it's 300, 400 or 500K, it's still a big financial loss for M-Sport.

[dimviii]

Tom is not big money .Msport at Sardegna excepth the 2 factory cars has a 24 Ford/Msport builded/rented cars.
All these cars they will rebuild after this rally.Same every 20-30 days for some 20 years...
Msport is best business at wrc since the beginning of rallies.Kudos to Malcolm,but i can t listen that a burned fiesta is big loss for his company.

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2014/hol_img_0827sardinia%202014.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13896&fotograf=242

[bruca]

first time sardegna en great rally

[rallyfiend]

Don't forget the hours and time the team put into fixing the cars after rallies, the service crew members wages on the time spent on this chassis/built. The car has been around for a season +

It's not just the value of the car that burned.

They're now down one car to use so they have to build another one, plus they're now down one car to sell.

[nafpaktos]

With spares (there should have been plenty of spare parts in the car since it was a day with remote service) it could be close to 400K (euros), for a customer Fiesta indeed. Of course we can question if the parts (production method, quality control etc.) of works and privateer cars are the same..

According warmbold's blog ,parts DEFINATELY ARE NOT THE SAME.

[nafpaktos]

Tom is not big money .Msport at Sardegna excepth the 2 factory cars has a 24 Ford/Msport builded/rented cars.
All these cars they will rebuild after this rally.Same every 20-30 days for some 20 years...
Msport is best business at wrc since the beginning of rallies.Kudos to Malcolm,but i can t listen that a burned fiesta is big loss for his company.



http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2014/hol_img_0827sardinia%202014.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13896&fotograf=242+1000000

Even professional private teams send their cars to msport for the full rebuilt because msport gives insurance if something will brake.so we talk about a huge amount of money that goes to msport.

[Lundefaret]

Could it be an insurance question, since Mr Wilson is so upfront with the value of the car?

[dimviii]

reaction of Ogier when informed from Colin that Latvala had stopped
http://twitpic.com/e5toyf

[306 Cosworth]

reaction of Ogier when informed from Colin that Latvala had stopped
http://twitpic.com/e5toyf

Other way around dimviii, reaction of Colin when informed by Ogier ;)

[dimviii]

Other way around dimviii, reaction of Colin when informed by Ogier ;)

yes Colins reaction was better,i have to agree!didn t notice it!http://www.4tforum.gr/phpBB3/images/smilies/haha4.gif

[tommeke_B]

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.865299896815231.1073741900.176477852364109&type=1 A couple of photos from the rally, full album will be online tomorrow. I'll also try to find time to put some small resume here, it was a great rally!

[nafpaktos]

reaction of Ogier when informed from Colin that Latvala had stopped
http://twitpic.com/e5toyfi didn't see something strange! Just a cool statement.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Answer: http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/11/u9ava4e4.jpg

[gianni123]

Video Online

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSIsMCug-mw

[Ucci]

Dear friends, don't you think some of you are exaggerating?? Malcom himself is one of the richest persons on the island; just count all Ford's on every WRC event (don't forget also small R2 Fiesta's..), which are maintained at M-Sport or are at least buying spare parts form M-Sport...don't forget countless Focus WRC around the world, which must be regularly serviced....not to mention S2000 cars, which are driven in the Europe.
So, I do not afford to anybody in the world a fire (or accident) in the car, but believe me, Malcom has already forgotten those few hundred thousands €'s....with every race his wallet is thicker....if on one occasion he is forced to pull the money out, it is a just a part of a job. Tomorrow will be again same story-making profit.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photos/rally_italia_sardegna_2014/mn_001.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13896&fotograf=119

[COD]

You can get insurance that will cover fire as well. Indeed, having a fire is the worst case scenario for a privateer.

But insurance is expensive. So M-sport has probably calculated that with the money they save on not having an insurace they can cover a few big crashes and a fire every 5 years or how rare that nowdays is. I think last big fire for them was Colin in Finland many many years ago

[dimviii]

So M-sport has probably calculated that with the money they save on not having an insurace they can cover a few big crashes and a fire every 5 years or how rare that nowdays is. I think last big fire for them was Colin in Finland many many years ago
very good point.When you run a business with so many cars at every rally,you have reliable stats that you can rely.

example... fire insurance for 5 cars at every rally 5 x 5000 euro x 14 per year=350.000 per year
10 years x 350.000=3.500.000 euro.
how many cars have i lost last 10 years?
4 cars burned. 4 x 300.000= 1.200.000
even if i lost double cars i have earned 1.000.000 euro.
So we can cut costs from fire.

[Lundefaret]

very good point.When you run a business with so many cars at every rally,you have reliable stats that you can rely.

example... fire insurance for 5 cars at every rally 5 x 5000 euro x 14 per year=350.000 per year
10 years x 350.000=3.500.000 euro.
how many cars have i lost last 10 years?
4 cars burned. 4 x 300.000= 1.200.000
even if i lost double cars i have earned 1.000.000 euro.
So we can cut costs from fire.

Yes, You are probably right.
If I remember correctly he gave a quote on the last big spill also, Hirvonen miss hearng a note, and then said it cost 120.000 Eur to repair. I just wonder about the background for the media strategy to make a point about these figures, and why this has come about.
It could off cource also be a journalist that has asked this question one time, gotten an answer, and then will continoue to ask the same question each time the chance occurs (how much did this cost then?) And its of cource easy to make tabloid titles when big sums of money is in effect.

But regarding Malcolm Wilson and M-Sport, You can not take it from him that he has made a very good business as a rally car manufacturer. And he has - of my knowledge - made it from the ground up. Extremly impressive. And one could speculate that he dont want to go all out to win the championship, with the limited Ford backing he has now, because this would take away the chance to get larger budgets in the future.

M-Sport paving the way when it comes to a good business plan to actually make a profit of rally car manufacture, I think has been a big part of what Opel, Peugeot, Citroën and more are doing now, and will do in the future.

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqAZf7RCEAExIDb.jpg:large

[cercle]

Had a great time in Sardinia! A lot of sun, friendly people, jumps and dust :-)
Seen 12 stages + a great new shakedown (what a jump from Hirvonen)
Only one minus point - please do more stages on Saturday, the gap was too big...
I hope this rally will be again on the calander next year! Fingers crossed

[litifeta]

Malcolm Wilson would have learned his tight fisted approach to business from his parents. They had a junk yard. Nearly all auto wreckers I have met never stop complaining about how tough business is yet they all live in mansions.

[Hartusvuori]

You can get insurance that will cover fire as well. Indeed, having a fire is the worst case scenario for a privateer.

But insurance is expensive. So M-sport has probably calculated that with the money they save on not having an insurace they can cover a few big crashes and a fire every 5 years or how rare that nowdays is. I think last big fire for them was Colin in Finland many many years ago

First Fiesta WRC test car burned too. In Sardegna as well, by the way.

Several Fiestas have been destroyed in last few years, but not M-Sport's.

[dimviii]

Tom cost of a wrc is a bit complicated due to many reasons.For example some reasons.
1)was the engine fresh,or it was near the rebuild time?
2)was the drivetrain new or close to rebuild?
3)turbo?

just these 3 to rebuild you need about 50.000 euro.

the list goes on with chassis,suspension,seats,driveshafts,arms,fuel cells etc.


Finally the 500.000 euro lost fiesta was Novikovs fiesta,that Malcolm after last years Sardegna said...''it was the most seriously damaged wreackage fiesta i ve ever seen''.......

page 73.
http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//launch.aspx?eid=654b1524-e9e0-4b10-8350-86d82eb2141e

[makinen_fan]

slow motion video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6wEjQdxSTA&feature=youtu.be

[wrc45]

slow motion video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6wEjQdxSTA&feature=youtu.be
Amazing, a must watch.

[makinen_fan]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/q77/s720x720/10484347_734371416605913_8132645533463909497_n.jpg

[OzoneVibe]

After 3,250 miles, that took in Le Mans 24hrs on the way home (as you do ... ) and with the most perfect weather on every single day (and after a week of recovery once home), I can happily say that I had the most incredible time in Sardinia (again!), in every respect!
The worst bit? Leaving to head home.
Spending our time in the place in the photo (near Berchidda) made it a leisurely journey to most of the stages.
I did discover (SD2) that, when positioning yourself to take great photos of cars exiting one corner that being on the outside of the next can be very dusty with gravel flying everywhere (no lenses broken!). I'm old enough - should have worked that one out! LOL!

Hope I can get back there next year!

[Was fun seeing my Phantom drone at Micky's Jump on UK's ITV4 highlights show .... ;-) ]

Also, briefly bumped into an Australian member of this forum at Monte Olia who recognised my Shogun ... and perhaps the #SardiniaWRCLeMans24HrsRoadTrip hashtag drawn in the dust that adorned it.

[Franky]

Usually I only film on rallies but this time I had bought myself a crazy film camera (Lomography Spinner).
Here are two nice shots of Khalid and Henning on the power stage.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10502125_10203064422744268_4096550916194067717_n.j pg

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10494833_10203064422064251_784082287743952169_n.jp g

[satnav]

I don't know if this has been reported anywhere but am I right in saying that Seb Chardonnet and Karl Kruuda have now been disqualified after originally just having a fine.

http://www.revistascratch.com/wrc/noticia/sebastien-chardonnet-descalificado-del-rallye-de-cerdena-20335

[pantealex]

I don't know if this has been reported anywhere but am I right in saying that Seb Chardonnet and Karl Kruuda have now been disqualified after originally just having a fine.

http://www.revistascratch.com/wrc/noticia/sebastien-chardonnet-descalificado-del-rallye-de-cerdena-20335

both still have their points at WRC.com

[KiwiWRCfan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpccHKmCUAItcbg.jpg
Makinen fan was this your own photo ? If not your ow do you know who took the photo ?

[makinen_fan]

No, its not mine. Most probably it is from twitter but cant remember by who

[KiwiWRCfan]

thanks Makinen_fan

[noel157]

Makinen fan was this your own photo ? If not your ow do you know who took the photo ?

Yazeed Al-Rajhi took the photo I think.