ERC - Juniors

[Sulland]

Two norwegian teams are planning to do the Junior series in ERC this year.
Petter Kristiansen, Fabia R2
Steve Rokland, Fiesta R2

Any others that has said they will do this series?

[Mad cat jnr]

I believe Rokland could be switching to a 208 R2 at some point in the year :)

[Mad cat jnr]

And Chris Ingram is trying to get the budget together for it.

[Mirek]

There was a good ongoing discussion about juniors in 2014 News and Results thread. Please don't cut it in two and continue using original topic. There is not so many news that the juniors would stay unseen.

viewtopic.php?f=157&t=159961&start=260 (http://www.motorsportforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=157&t=159961&start=260)

[Sulland]

Well, if the JWRC is pricing themselves out of the picture, this might be a very active thread this season.
I am chearing for all initiatives that might make ERC coming to where IRC was, being the 2nd tier championship world wide!

[Micke_VOC]

Mattias Olsson from sweden will do the series in a Fiesta R2

[tolis]

Crugnola in JERC. 6 rallies in a Romanian Peugeot 208 R2!
http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/26 ... onship-bid (http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/2643/t/Crugnola-confirms-ERC-Junior-Championship-bid)

[PLuto]

Crugnola in JERC. 6 rallies in a Romanian Peugeot 208 R2!
http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/26 ... onship-bid (http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/2643/t/Crugnola-confirms-ERC-Junior-Championship-bid)

For me it is surprise that he is talking about so many rallies as I know that he has not budget for all of them now...

[Tom206wrc]

Anyway, no Junior ERC for Stéphane Lefèbvre this year, he will run the JWRC instead ;)

[Jarek Z]

What
Anyway, no Junior ERC for Stéphane Lefèbvre this year, he will run the JWRC instead ;)

What a waste of money!

[pantealex]

What
Anyway, no Junior ERC for Stéphane Lefèbvre this year, he will run the JWRC instead ;)

What a waste of money!

What!

It is never waste of money to run WRC events for future, level of 2wd in ERC is terrible!!

[PLuto]

PSA needs to survive JWRC as there is not so big interest about it.

[PLuto]

It is never waste of money to run WRC events for future, level of 2wd in ERC is terrible!!

I see that you are quite out of reality ;)

[giù tutto!]

What!

It is never waste of money to run WRC events for future, level of 2wd in ERC is terrible!!

Could you please justify your thoughts?

What makes the level of oncoming season worse in 2wd ERC than 2wd WRC?

[mousti]

I think if there are 10 entrants for JWRC they should be happy, way too expensive. Will be interesting if Lefebvre (FFSA) get some competition.. Probably Gilbert another (PSA) supported driver.

[pantealex]

Could you please justify your thoughts?

I was thinking previous years. From JWRC we have had: Loeb,Sordo,Meeke,Latvala,PG and so on, name some drivers who come up with IRC/ERC 2wd?
Last year, one of the 2wd winners of ERC was Risto Immonen and he is not even Top10 2wd drivers in Finland. And that Hungarian Honda driver who was allways Top5 in ERC, would never been Top5 in JWRC/WRC3

What makes the level of oncoming season worse in 2wd ERC than 2wd WRC?

For oncoming nothing.

[PLuto]

I was thinking previous years. From JWRC we have had: Loeb,Sordo,Meeke,Latvala,PG and so on, name some drivers who come up with IRC/ERC 2wd?
Last year, one of the 2wd winners of ERC was Risto Immonen and he is not even Top10 2wd drivers in Finland. And that Hungarian Honda driver who was allways Top5 in ERC, would never been Top5 in JWRC/WRC3

What makes the level of oncoming season worse in 2wd ERC than 2wd WRC?

Like I told, you are absolutely our of reality.

a) You cannot compater golden era on the beginning of century, when JWRC had really good level and now. Actual WRC Academy/JWRC is piece of shit...

[Hartusvuori]

a) You cannot compater golden era on the beginning of century, when JWRC had really good level and now. Actual WRC Academy/JWRC is piece of shit...

Looking at the level of JWRC 2014 is still too early, but for example from recent years three Academy/JWRC champions are entering Rally Sweden with WRC and I expect one of them to end up around top 5. I am strongly disagreeing that R2 era JWRC was piece of shit.

[PLuto]

Looking at the level of JWRC 2014 is still too early, but for example from recent years three Academy/JWRC champions are entering Rally Sweden with WRC and I expect one of them to end up around top 5. I am strongly disagreeing that R2 era JWRC was piece of shit.

OK, not completely piece of shit, there were some good drivers. But level of complete competition was not so high...

[pantealex]

Looking at the level of JWRC 2014 is still too early, but for example from recent years three Academy/JWRC champions are entering Rally Sweden with WRC and I expect one of them to end up around top 5. I am strongly disagreeing that R2 era JWRC was piece of shit.

OK, not completely piece of shit, there were some good drivers. But level of complete competition was not so high...

I agree!

Only 1-3 good drivers in recent years.

Pluto: I have only been following IRC/ERC since "Hänninen time", so I maid be wrong sometimes.

[Mirek]

There was only one year when IRC/ERC 2WD was really strong (and possibly stronger than WRC 2WD) and that was in 2010 when the Clio Trophy was held within the IRC.

We have to count regulars not every one-off starter. On the other hand the particular 2WD entry lists are often better than in WRC. That is sure. For example last year's Ypres.

[PLuto]

Jan Cerny will do junior ERC with Peugeot 208 R2 - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15991

[PLuto]

And also Jean-Mathieu Leandri is confirmed - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15992

[RS]

Remind me what the prize for the JERC winner is?

[Mirek]

Some R5 starts in ERC 2015. No number of events was specified.

[Tom206wrc]

Jan Cerny will do junior ERC with Peugeot 208 R2 - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15991

Great news :)

[WUff1]

Jan Cerny will do junior ERC with Peugeot 208 R2 - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15991

Great news :)

He deserves it! Good luck!

Junior ERC seems to get really interesting with a lot of well known young talents.

[Jarek Z]

Another driver who is going to compete in JERC is Aleks Zawada from Poland. He has been competing in Polish championship at the wheel of Renault Clio R3 for a few years, but without any big success. For JERC he switches his car to Peugeot 208 R2. His co-driver will be Cathy Derousseaux from France.

From the Clio years...

http://foto.rallyonline.pl/GALERIA/jarekz/swidnicki2011/swidnicki2011_jzagorny33.jpg

[Jarek Z]

What
Anyway, no Junior ERC for Stéphane Lefèbvre this year, he will run the JWRC instead ;)

What a waste of money!

What!

It is never waste of money to run WRC events for future, level of 2wd in ERC is terrible!!

Maybe you are right. But if the level of championship is so terrible, why didn't Lefèbvre easily win it? :)

[mousti]

10+ names for sure already doing JERC ! :-)

[Mirek]

As it was not mentioned in this topic - autocross driver Tomáš Pospíšilík will do JERC too (with Fabia R2): http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=15995

[muratgunarslan]

i heard, 1 turkish driver will drive at jerc 2014, but i dont know the entry.

[RICARDO75]

i heard, 1 turkish driver will drive at jerc 2014, but i dont know the entry.


Could be Murat Bostanci with Fiesta R2.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=4258&t=Murat-Bostanci

[PLuto]

Murat Bostanci wanted to participate, but he is old...

[liposh]

Drivers in JWRC must be 25 or under on 1st January 2014 and Murat was born on 3.12.1988, so he is 25 right now and it means he isn´t too old. :)

[tolis]

Drivers in JWRC must be 25 or under on 1st January 2014 and Murat was born on 3.12.1988, so he is 25 right now and it means he isn´t too old. :)
On the 1st of January, he was 25 and 29 days, so older than 25! ;)

[liposh]

Yes? I thought drivers born on 1.1.1988 are out but drivers born 2.1.1988 and later are young enough for this rule. I could be wrong but...

[PLuto]

We are talking about JERC, not JWRC. To be eligible for start in JRC you must born 1.1.1989 or later.

[mousti]

http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/26 ... ionship--- (http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/2694/t/Co-driver-Panseri-backs-Zawada-in-ERC-Junior-Championship---)

Another competitor enters!

[WUff1]

Seems to develop a success this championship!

[PLuto]

Also officially confirmed Mattias Olsson - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=16016

[mousti]

Next month we know which Belgian will compete in this championship with a 208 R2 :)

[efe-e]

Fabrizio Andolfi (Italy)
Jan ?erný (Czech Republic)
Andrea Crugnola (Italy)
Marijan Griebel (Germany)
Risto Immonen (Finland)
Chris Ingram (United Kingdom)
Petter Kristiansen (Norway)
Jean-Mathieu Leandri (France)
Stéphane Lefebvre (France)
Mattias Olsson (Sweden)
Tomas Pospisilik (Czech Republic)
Steve Rokland (Norway)
Florin Tincescu (Romania)
Kevin van Deijne (Netherlands)
Aleks Zawada (United Kingdom)

[Tom206wrc]

Fabio Andolfi Jr in ERC is surprise to me ;)

[RICARDO75]

We are talking about JERC, not JWRC. To be eligible for start in JRC you must born 1.1.1989 or later.

Are you shure?
I don't want to disagree with you because you know more of the ERC than any of us but, in regulation says: "Drivers must be 25 and under on 1 January 2014 to be able to take part"

Bostanci will have 25 years old until 2014 December 3. At that date, the championship is over

[PLuto]

We are talking about JERC, not JWRC. To be eligible for start in JRC you must born 1.1.1989 or later.

Are you shure?
I don't want to disagree with you because you know more of the ERC than any of us but, in regulation says: "Drivers must be 25 and under on 1 January 2014 to be able to take part"

Bostanci will have 25 years old until 2014 December 3. At that date, the championship is over

Despite I dont agree with it (I wanted one year more), regulations says:

9.2.1 In order to score points for the ERC Junior Championship, drivers who were born on or after 1 January 1989 must register with the ERC Promoter by using the Junior Driver agreement before the closing date of the first rally entered.

[RICARDO75]

Thanks Pluto, I'm clarified with the subject.
Bad for Bostanci and it is a pity that he can't participate because he is a fast driver and it would be good for Junior ERC

[PLuto]

Thanks Pluto, I'm clarified with the subject.
Bad for Bostanci and it is a pity that he can't participate because he is a fast driver and it would be good for Junior ERC

I completely agree with you.

[liposh]

The part of sentence with "25 years" mystified a lot of people I think...moreover for example that JWRC is for drivers under 26, but Prokop born October 1982 won JWRC in 2009 which is again confusing. Anyway my fault. The case is closed for me now:)

[RICARDO75]

Jan Cerný test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y-xVrk ... ploademail (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y-xVrkDN-E&feature=em-uploademail)

[RICARDO75]

Jan Cerný onboard test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPr34rHgZXg&feature=em-uploademail

[noel157]

He doesn't look too slow....good speed.

[sindroms]

He doesn't look too slow....good speed.

He is not slow at all. I would say even more - he is bloody fast! Just look on last year ERC "Liepaja-Ventspils" results - http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php ... spils-2013 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=7308&s=32872&t=Rally-Liepāja-Ventspils-2013)
1st day - in dark, on unfamiliar surface - disaster. 2nd day - all stages (except one) Top10 times, 2 stages - Top3. 3rd day - all stages in Top3!!! He outpaced guys like Delecour and Lukyanuk and was on pace with Breen.

[Mirek]

If I remember right he started on old Pirelli WRC tyres and moreover broke suspension in one of first stages. He run up-to-date Muchelin tyres in the last day.

[noel157]

He doesn't look too slow....good speed.

He is not slow at all. I would say even more - he is bloody fast! Just look on last year ERC "Liepaja-Ventspils" results - http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php ... spils-2013 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=7308&s=32872&t=Rally-Liepāja-Ventspils-2013)
1st day - in dark, on unfamiliar surface - disaster. 2nd day - all stages (except one) Top10 times, 2 stages - Top3. 3rd day - all stages in Top3!!! He outpaced guys like Delecour and Lukyanuk and was on pace with Breen.

Perhaps something has been lost in translation.....:)
"Not too slow" means fast ! I've been fan for some time since his Clio days and has a good future if he gets the breaks.

[Jarek Z]

I've been fan for some time since his Clio days and has a good future if he gets the breaks.

Yes, I must admit I admire Jan Cerny too! I remember when he started driving Subaru in ERC at the age of 18. I thought what the hell is this kid looking for? But he wasn't bad at all.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3514/3936282194_1f83dea386.jpg

And when he switched to Clio R3 he made some astonishing results. He won ERC 2WD in 2012. Can he repeat it in 2014? I wish him good luck!

http://foto.rallyonline.pl/GALERIA/jarekz/millemiglia2010/millemiglia2010_jzagorny24.jpg

[Sulland]

Impressive times from the Juniors in rally Liepaja, promising for the rest of the year!

[Tom206wrc]

Congratulations to Jan Cerny :)

[Fly]

Next month we know which Belgian will compete in this championship with a 208 R2 :)

Today and tomorrow, the 10 finalists will compete to win a seat for several ERC rallies + rallye du Condroz.
I'll go to Mettet tomorrow to see it live.
And the nominees are:
The top 5 juniors in 2013: Matthias Boon, Polle Geusens, Ghislain de Mevius, Guillaume de Mevius and Thibault Radoux
The top 5 selected after a few tests (simulator, interviews,...) last week: Gino Bux (23 ans), Romain Delva (21 ans), Guillaume De Ridder (21 ans), Simon Pirard (19 ans) and Arthur Tanghe (18 ans).

[Jeppe]

Next month we know which Belgian will compete in this championship with a 208 R2 :)

Today and tomorrow, the 10 finalists will compete to win a seat for several ERC rallies + rallye du Condroz.
I'll go to Mettet tomorrow to see it live.
And the nominees are:
The top 5 juniors in 2013: Matthias Boon, Polle Geusens, Ghislain de Mevius, Guillaume de Mevius and Thibault Radoux
The top 5 selected after a few tests (simulator, interviews,...) last week: Gino Bux (23 ans), Romain Delva (21 ans), Guillaume De Ridder (21 ans), Simon Pirard (19 ans) and Arthur Tanghe (18 ans).

So..Is this easy win :cool: for Boon or is there some other to follow??

[mousti]

Next month we know which Belgian will compete in this championship with a 208 R2 :)

Today and tomorrow, the 10 finalists will compete to win a seat for several ERC rallies + rallye du Condroz.
I'll go to Mettet tomorrow to see it live.
And the nominees are:
The top 5 juniors in 2013: Matthias Boon, Polle Geusens, Ghislain de Mevius, Guillaume de Mevius and Thibault Radoux
The top 5 selected after a few tests (simulator, interviews,...) last week: Gino Bux (23 ans), Romain Delva (21 ans), Guillaume De Ridder (21 ans), Simon Pirard (19 ans) and Arthur Tanghe (18 ans).

So..Is this easy win :cool: for Boon or is there some other to follow??
Geusens, Ghislain de Mevius and Radoux can surely beat Boon. Guillaume has less experience than those, but I wouldn't underestimate him. The five selected has less chance De Ridder is I guess the most experienced and Tanghe got some experience a bit everywhere he's the son of Claudie Tanghe (Pilot and owner of Autonews Magazine).

[Tom206wrc]

I thought Ghislain de Mévius goes to Ford Fiesta DMack WRC :confused:

[mousti]

I thought Ghislain de Mévius goes to Ford Fiesta DMack WRC :confused:
Both selections has nothing to do with eachother and also none of the events interfere with eachother so it's possible he could do both..

[Tom206wrc]

OK ;)

Anyway, we will have the name of the Junior RACB this afternoon/evening :)

[Mihai]

Napoca Rally Academy launched its junior line-up last night in Bucharest, confirming a J-ERC campaign for Romanian youngster Florin Tincescu. He will compete in Azores, Belgium, Czech Republic, Switzerland and Corsica on boad a Citroen C2 R2 Max along with his usual co-driver Iulian Nicolaescu. Meanwhile, Simone Tempestini announced a 6-round J-WRC programme.

[mousti]

I'm surprised too, seems he impressed alot against the more experienced pilots like Boon, Geussens, Ghislain de Mevius and De Ridder. Bux has some rallying experience but most experience comes from racing on circuit I think.

[PLuto]

Sorry, I wanted to edit my previous post, but I deleted it.

So, there was written, that winner is... ...Gino Bux :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

Good luck to Gino Bux for his ERC campaign ;)

[Fly]

I'm surprised too, seems he impressed alot against the more experienced pilots like Boon, Geussens, Ghislain de Mevius and De Ridder. Bux has some rallying experience but most experience comes from racing on circuit I think.

I've been to the Shoot-out this afternoon. Bux was faster by 2 tenths. But the stage, on a asphalt circuit, was slow and tricky. Not a single fast corner (never in 5th gear). It was (almost) all about braking points and avoiding mistakes.
Anyway, Gino Bux seems to have a good potential.
Just a pitty that Kevin Demaerschalk, former RACB member, is out of the picture. IMHO he is the only young Belgian who have enough talent to be the next Neuville.

[MartijnS]

He crashed too much I guess?

[RICARDO75]

Finale volant RACB National Team 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwz8vMLWSig&feature=em-uploademail

[Fly]

He crashed too much I guess?
You're right but he's the only one with enough speed for the top. I'm sure it will/would pay one day.

[RS]

Is the prize for the winner of JERC a fully funded R5 drive in 2015 or is it an empty promise like last year's JWRC winner received?

[Tom206wrc]

Is the prize for the winner of JERC a fully funded R5 drive in 2015 or is it an empty promise like last year's JWRC winner received?

What do you mean ??? Pontus Tidemand didn't receive a drive in WRC2 with Fiesta R5 :confused:

[RS]

Is the prize for the winner of JERC a fully funded R5 drive in 2015 or is it an empty promise like last year's JWRC winner received?

What do you mean ??? Pontus Tidemand didn't receive a drive in WRC2 with Fiesta R5 :confused:

He received the loan of a car, some tyres and the entry fee but no money to run it.

[Iskald]

My impression from the first ever JERC round in Liepaja Rally was that it was brilliant, and morever with possibilities to expand further. 15 drivers started, representing nine nations and five different makes of cars. Competition was hard throughout the rally, and the five first finishers represented five nations and four different makes of cars. Its really a possible platform for a very successful championship, and what makes it really interesting is that very few of the drivers have contested more than possibly one or two of the events before. Cerny and Immonen had a small advantage in Liepaja Rally, as they had been there before. Steve Røkland, who competed for a podium in Latvia until he went off on stage 9, is one of the few with any experience from Circuit of Ireland, which is the next round. Røkland has done the Circuit twice in the British Championship, and should be a contender in his newly aquired Peugeot 208 coming month. The following is a link to our programme on Viasat Sport in Norway, with focus mainly on the juniors:
http://injection.no/9-injection/134-inj ... lly-latvia (http://injection.no/9-injection/134-inj406-erc-jr-rally-liepaja-rally-latvia)

[pantealex]

My impression from the first ever JERC round in Liepaja Rally was that it was brilliant, and morever with possibilities to expand further. 15 drivers started, representing nine nations and five different makes of cars.

Citroen C2
Ford Fiesta
Opel Adam
Peugeot 208
Renault Twingo
Skoda Fabia
= 6 different makes of cars!

so, which one you didn´t count?

[bluuford]

Is the prize for the winner of JERC a fully funded R5 drive in 2015 or is it an empty promise like last year's JWRC winner received?

What do you mean ??? Pontus Tidemand didn't receive a drive in WRC2 with Fiesta R5 :confused:

He received the loan of a car, some tyres and the entry fee but no money to run it.

It is not that bad. Entry fee, tyres and car itself makes very big share of the budget.

[Tom206wrc]

He crashed too much I guess?

Not this time !!! Demaerschalk even won the 2WD class ahead of Dilley in van Haspengouw ;)

[Iskald]

My impression from the first ever JERC round in Liepaja Rally was that it was brilliant, and morever with possibilities to expand further. 15 drivers started, representing nine nations and five different makes of cars.

Citroen C2
Ford Fiesta
Opel Adam
Peugeot 208
Renault Twingo
Skoda Fabia
= 6 different makes of cars!

so, which one you didn´t count?

Forgot the Twingo. But that makes it even better...;-)

[PLuto]

Now it is confirmed - Guillaume Dilley will join ERC Juniors on some events (Acores, Ypres, Barum, Valais, Corse).

[mousti]

Wow, and nobody know this yet in Belgium :p.

With his 208 R2 that should be delivered in some time? Great news though, much better program than last year for him.

[RICARDO75]

Program for Risto Immonen:
Latvia, Azores, Ypres, Barum and Corsica
http://www.ristoimmonen.com/

[Tom206wrc]

Have they done a mistake on Ralis.Online when they wrote a "pre-entrylist" of Rali do Açores: norwegian driver Steve Rökland with a 208 R2 :confused:

[Mirek]

No, Steve is going to switch to 208.

[Tom206wrc]

No, Steve is going to switch to 208.

OK thanks for the info ;)

[Iskald]

No, Steve is going to switch to 208.

They were originally intending to bring the 208 with them back from Latvia, but then Stephane Lefevbre had an engine failure and fire in the engine compartment on the second day of the rally, and the car was brought back to France for rebuild and a new engine. Steve Røkland will debut his 208 R2 in Northern Ireland. The Fiesta R2 is sold out of Norway. It will be very interesting to follow Steve in Circuit of Ireland, as he has done this rally twice before (both in R1 and R2 Fiestas) and is one of the few juniors with previous experience from irish tarmac.