Schumacher injured in Skiing accident (out of coma)

[henners88]

Early reports Michael Schumacher has been injured skiing.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/25542340

Let's hope it doesn't prove too serious.

[henners88]

Reports slowly emerging that it is a serious head injury.

[Dave B]

It's looking less dramatic than some early hysterical reports that he was "critically injured" (Sky News et al). Seems he hit his head on a rock but was wearing a helmet, and was concious when airlifted to hospital as a precaution.Details are still sketchy but hopefully the early panic will prove to be unfounded. Still, head injuries are never a trivial matter, so fingers crossed for the guy.

[henners88]

Not so serious after all. You have to love the news agencies trying to sensationalise everything. Good news.

[Tazio]

Get well soon Mike, I feel your pain! :arrows:

[Doc Austin]

Prayers for Schumacher.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Updated report from "Der Spiegel". Injury is a serious concussion with deteriorating condition ;( Traumatologist Professor Gérard Saillant has been brought to Grenoble hospital.

[Dave B]

After initial positive news I'm now hearing reports of a brain haemorrhage. Let'shope for good news.

[tfp]

Bloody hell I just heard things have gotten worse for the shoe. Fingers crossed he pulls through

[Tazio]

Dang, this is much worse than I thought. Come on Mike hang in there, I'm waiting for some good news!

[steveaki13]

Wow. I cant believe this. I have been away from TV and alike today and have only just heard the news.

So sad. Come on Schumi, thoughts are with you.

[D-Type]

Best wishes for a full recovery..

[BleAivano]

apparently he will undergo an emergency operation according to Der Bild and der Spiegel:

http://www.bild.de/sport/motorsport/mic ... .bild.html (http://www.bild.de/sport/motorsport/michael-schumacher/schweres-schaedel-hirn-trauma-ski-sturz-34014066.bild.html)
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellsc ... 41199.html (http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/skiunfall-schumacher-in-kritischem-zustand-a-941199.html)

[tfp]

I'll keep a close eye on this page during the night, let's all hope and pray he is ok.

[The Black Knight]

I'm gutted. I really hope he pulls through. He is my childhood hero. Fingers crossed for him. When I first saw these stories this morning I figured it was the media making a load of fuss over nothing. The guy has had no luck since he retired in 2006.

[henners88]

It seems there was somewhat of a cover up initially but I can fully understand why under the circumstances. Very worrying news indeed and hopefully we'll have happier news in the morning. I'm not a religious man at all but if there is something out there to give Mr Schumacher some luck, I hope it makes its presence felt. A guy who has divided opinion over the years in driving terms but a person everyone in F1 has the utmost respect for. Fingers firmly crossed tonight.

[i_max2k2]

Very sad to hear the news, I hope he pulls through, some websites are reporting he is in coma, waiting for some good news.

[BleAivano]

It seems there was somewhat of a cover up initially but I can fully understand why under the circumstances. Very worrying news indeed and hopefully we'll have happier news in the morning. I'm not a religious man at all but if there is something out there to give Mr Schumacher some luck, I hope it makes its presence felt. A guy who has divided opinion over the years in driving terms but a person everyone in F1 has the utmost respect for. Fingers firmly crossed tonight.

well Henners, I don't think there was a cover up at all but rather that Schumi seemed ok at first.

This types of scenarios is not uncommon when it comes to head traumas. The patient is initially seeming
to be ok but the conditions will soon get worse. Just look at the accident which caused Natasha Richardson's death (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/us/19richardson.html?_r=0).

[henners88]

Very true. I'm going to struggle to sleep tonight, hope he pulls through I really do.

[tfp]

Very true. I'm going to struggle to sleep tonight, hope he pulls through I really do.

Me too buddy. Let's keep an eye on this page, and anyone with inside info can hopefully give us some good news.

[SteveA]

I hope MS pulls through, and his 14 y/o son is being supported tonight, very scary for him.

[i_max2k2]

JA has found some Italian sources which infer the injuries are serious but not life threatening, hopefully this is true.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/12/f ... =pulsenews (http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/12/f1-world-and-fans-await-news-on-schumachers-condition-after-skiing-accident/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews)

[dj_bytedisaster]

JA has found some Italian sources which infer the injuries are serious but not life threatening, hopefully this is true.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/12/f ... =pulsenews (http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/12/f1-world-and-fans-await-news-on-schumachers-condition-after-skiing-accident/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews)

James seems to be a few hours behind. :( According to Spiegel, he was already in a coma, when he arrived at Grenoble and required immediate emergency surgery. The 'not life threatening' bit has been scratched, apparently he's in very critical condition.

[truefan72]

[quote="i_max2k2":13o5c4vj]JA has found some Italian sources which infer the injuries are serious but not life threatening, hopefully this is true.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/12/f ... =pulsenews (http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/12/f1-world-and-fans-await-news-on-schumachers-condition-after-skiing-accident/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews)

James seems to be a few hours behind. :( According to Spiegel, he was already in a coma, when he arrived at Grenoble and required immediate emergency surgery. The 'not life threatening' bit has been scratched, apparently he's in very critical condition.[/quote:13o5c4vj]

yeah,
when I read the story earlier today I wasn't too worried. But it seems those reports were wildly inaccurate and or his condition took a swift turn for the worse very quickly afterwards. In any case, Now I'm worried and hope for the best for both him and his family.

[i_max2k2]

Indeed this is scary, hopefully he will fight this out.

[odykas]

Tragic news.

I hope Schumi wins this battle.

[WUff1]

Homepage of his brother Ralf is completely black ...

[Storm]

Hopefully he gets out of this..

[dj_bytedisaster]

According to German news channel Phoenix he underwent a second brain surgery. Press conference expected in 15 minutes.

[BleAivano]

BBC will have updates: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25547624
Press conference live broad cast: http://www.expressen.se/tv/sport/live/l ... chumacher/ (http://www.expressen.se/tv/sport/live/live-tv-presskonferens-om-laget-for-schumacher/)

[Koz]

What do "brain lesions" mean?

Hope he gets well soon.

[BleAivano]

Professor Yohan Payan added: "I'd say this accident happened in the right place because he was taken into hospital immediately and operated on as soon as he arrived, this mean his state is critical and he is still in a coma and he will be kept in a coma.

"Everything that needed to be done has been done at the moment we can't really say when he will recover, we cannot answer this yet."

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25547624

[tfp]

What's the update Dj? Our prayers are with the shoe!

[dj_bytedisaster]

What's the update Dj? Our prayers are with the shoe!

I've provided a summary of the press conference, here : Daily #F1 News and Comment: Monday 30 December 2013 (http://thejudge13.com/2013/12/30/daily-f1-news-and-comment-monday-30-december-2013/)

Be careful, sounds pretty devastating :( ;(

[Mark]

Wow that all sounds pretty bad; as an understatement :(

I think the prospect of a "full recovery" is a long way off if at all :(

[Mia 01]

Since I heard of the accident noon yesterday I have followed the news carefully, it´s terrible, terrible.

Fight now Michael!

[BleAivano]

Wow that all sounds pretty bad; as an understatement :(

I think the prospect of a "full recovery" is a long way off if at all :(

I agree, BUT "miracles" do happen, i.e.. speedway riders Ales Dryml and Ricky Ashworth.
Riders that suffered critical head injuries but that have survived. Ales even have made a full recovery.

Obviously I don't know if their injuries are comparable with Schumi's injuries.

[airshifter]

Several reports now stating that he is in an induced coma, but is in life threatening condition.

It is also reported by some that both Jean Todt and Ross Brawn are at the hospital with the family.


I hope things change for the better.

[Tom206wrc]

I hope Schumi will recover ;(

[BleAivano]

This a bloggpost from Gary Hartstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Hartstein), Anesthetist, ER doc, ex-professional passenger.

http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2013/1 ... onference/ (http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2013/12/30/the-monday-press-conference/)

He is also on twitter:
https://twitter.com/former_f1doc

[tfp]

What's the update Dj? Our prayers are with the shoe!

I've provided a summary of the press conference, here : Daily #F1 News and Comment: Monday 30 December 2013 (http://thejudge13.com/2013/12/30/daily-f1-news-and-comment-monday-30-december-2013/)

Be careful, sounds pretty devastating :( ;(

Thanks mate. Here's hoping for the best.

[rjbetty]

This was so hard and sad to read. I just found out about it now on google news. I am very fond of Schumacher and am thinking of him, also appreciating the support for him on this thread that seems to have come very quickly.

[i_max2k2]

It seems a second surgery was not carried out, whatever be the reason or if it did or not, hopefully he is doing well -


Doctors said Schumacher had been placed in an artificial coma but, contrary to an earlier French media report, said they had not carried out a second operation during the night and were not planning any further interventions at this stage.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/mo ... 5915.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/motorracing/chi-michael-schumacher-head-injury-20131229,0,2225915.story)

I think as time passes and we don't hear any bad news, it gets better for him, I believe the first 48hours after such an accident are crucial, beyond that it should hopefully get better. Win this Schumi!

[dj_bytedisaster]

It seems a second surgery was not carried out, whatever be the reason or if it did or not, hopefully he is doing well -


Doctors said Schumacher had been placed in an artificial coma but, contrary to an earlier French media report, said they had not carried out a second operation during the night and were not planning any further interventions at this stage.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/mo ... 5915.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/motorracing/chi-michael-schumacher-head-injury-20131229,0,2225915.story)

I think as time passes and we don't hear any bad news, it gets better for him, I believe the first 48hours after such an accident are crucial, beyond that it should hopefully get better. Win this Schumi!


It's more like the first 3 weeks that determine the extent of his brain injury. He was put in hypothermic state (lowered body temperature) and artificial coma. An M.D. told me he will have to stay in that state for two to three weeks at the very least as the brain swelling will worsen before it receedes.

[D-Type]

We can only wait and hope.

[N. Jones]

I am saddened to hear about this and I hope he gets better soon.

[David Lowndes]

I, like everyone else, hope that in typical Schumacher style he pulls through against the odds.

[longisland]

Michael, your year begins with a tremendous challenge; this time though, we all want you to win. Godspeed

[zako85]

That's not how we wanted this year to end. Poor Schumy. Get well soon.

[BleAivano]

there has been another press conference just a few minutes ago and the doctors said that they performed another surgery
during the night where they removed a hematoma (bleeding) in his skull. The surgery was successful and Michael's condition
is slightly better today then yesterday but things could still change rapidly in either direction.

[The Black Knight]

It's disgraceful that a journalist dressed as a priest tried to access Schumacher's room. Have people any morals? Please give me this journalists name so I can find him and kick his face in. I can then take a picture of him and post it across the internet as "What remains of the journalist who tried to access Schumacer's Hospital room dressed as a priest".

The F1 fraternity and its fans should not tolerate this kind of behavior from journalists. Personally, I do not want to see a picture of this great man in the state he is in. If he is to pass away, he should pass away peacefully without people trying to put his dying body on the front of the newspaper. It takes a lot for me to get angry but news of this incident has absolutely enraged me. There's a point where journalism can switch from the level of informative news reporting to complete and utter hooliganism and that line was well crossed here.

[henners88]

That's sickening. I hope he's prosecuted and shamed.

[dj_bytedisaster]

That's sickening. I hope he's prosecuted and shamed.

He can count his lucky stars that the Schumacher management didn't put out his name. They probably know that he wouldn't live long enough to tell the story.

[i_max2k2]

^^ That was a sad turn of events indeed.

Anyway, Happy Birthday Michael, I hope you'd come to celebrate many more.

[pino]

Forza Michael, wishing you all the best !!!

[Tazio]

Philippe Strieff, a friend of Michael Schumacher, tells reporters on Saturday that the F1 star's life is no longer in danger.
Not sure how much truth there is in this, but it would appear they have stabilized his vitals enough to make this sort of comment. I have a little experience in this arena. I remember quite vividly when my son was in a drug induced coma, and the supervising physician told me and his mother he was going to be "ok". This has got to be a tremendous relief to the family, now let’s hope for a complete recovery, or at least something close to it.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/ ... iend-video (http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jan/04/michael-schumacher-out-danger-claims-friend-video)

[BleAivano]

Philippe Strieff, a friend of Michael Schumacher, tells reporters on Saturday that the F1 star's life is no longer in danger.
Not sure how much truth there is in this, but it would appear they have stabilized his vitals enough to make this sort of comment. I have a little experience in this arena. I remember quite vividly when my son was in a drug induced coma, and the supervising physician told me and his mother he was going to be "ok". This has got to be a tremendous relief to the family, now let’s hope for a complete recovery, or at least something close to it.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/ ... iend-video (http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jan/04/michael-schumacher-out-danger-claims-friend-video)

The thing is that there is conflicting info, I read a French article according to which the same Philippe Strieff
had said that the doctors couldn't say yet, whether Schumacher would survive or not.

http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/auto-moto/fo ... umi-670862 (http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/auto-moto/formule-1/fil-info/streiff-redoute-l-hemiplegie-pour-schumi-670862)

So the question which article is the most reliable.

[Alfa Fan]

This has been handled rather poorly unfortunately. However much the family may have wished for it to remain private, it was never going to do so. I'm not saying that's right, just the world we live in today. The only way they can really avoid being hounded is full disclosure. They shouldn't have to, but it's just the way of things. Until then, you are going to get unscrupulous journalists, etc, repeatedly attempting to invade their privacy.

[Tazio]

Philippe Strieff, a friend of Michael Schumacher, tells reporters on Saturday that the F1 star's life is no longer in danger.
Not sure how much truth there is in this, but it would appear they have stabilized his vitals enough to make this sort of comment. I have a little experience in this arena. I remember quite vividly when my son was in a drug induced coma, and the supervising physician told me and his mother he was going to be "ok". This has got to be a tremendous relief to the family, now let’s hope for a complete recovery, or at least something close to it.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/ ... iend-video (http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jan/04/michael-schumacher-out-danger-claims-friend-video)

The thing is that there is conflicting info, I read a French article according to which the same Philippe Strieff
had said that the doctors couldn't say yet, whether Schumacher would survive or not.

http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/auto-moto/fo ... umi-670862 (http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/auto-moto/formule-1/fil-info/streiff-redoute-l-hemiplegie-pour-schumi-670862)

So the question which article is the most reliable.
Yes, my bad guys, I should have waited until that Gaurdian story was substanciated by at least one (other) legit news outlet

[Mark]

Unfortunately in this situation if the press don't get official information they will basically make it up - or report from sources who don't have the real facts in front of them.

I think it's safe to say as time goes on Schumi's life is less and less in danger, however the overall prognosis at the moment is unknown and much of these things can't be known until he regains consciousness.

[SGWilko]

How long was Karl Wendlinger kept in an induced coma after his head injury at Monaco? Didn't he make a full recovery?

I don't know if I read that Micheal was conscious immediately after his fall. If so, and the speed with which he was treated, can surely only be a good sign. Lets hope so.

[Bagwan]

From all I've read , everything seems to favour the champ , after the accident .

At a top drawer resort we can expect top notch equipment , and the helmet , everyone seems to agree , is firstly responsible for saving his life .
Although , perhaps we should thank Michael , himself , for having the foresight , and common sense , over perhaps ego , to wear a helmet in the first place .

Then , we again must thank the resort for having enough ski patrol staff out there to have gotten to him very quickly , and for them being well enough trained to know he should be airlifted right away .
Presumably , the haematoma would have started very soon after the impact , and therefore he is also lucky to have such good staff in the helicopter to keep him alive en route .

Transferred immediately to a bigger hospital , he was attended by the best , and in very short order .

The first operation went well enough to shortly later allow movement to a scan , and a second operation a little later .


Although Michael has , as F1 racers do , sustained many high speed impacts , and thus , a number of concussions , he is still racing fit , and much younger than his age would suggest .

He's getting , and has gotten to this point , the very best of care , and he's got about the best chance one could have of coming out of this an astute spokesperson for helmet safety in future .
These injuries can take an agonizingly long time to heal for those at the bedside .
I really feel for the family , having been hit with this just after a happy Christmas , ringing in the New Year with tears in their eyes .
It's even harder for them with the press pressing at the door , exposing the down side of being rich and famous , sometimes in the most ugly ways .


Heal up , Michael .
As Mika says , this isn't a race . Take your time to get back up to speed .
But , give us some signs soon that you're healing .

[Jag_Warrior]

Not being ghoulish, but I had NO idea that Schumacher was worth this kind of money! I figured maybe a couple hundred million, at most. Wow!

But with that said, I hope that the wife and kids don't get to see it anytime soon (meaning, I hope he pulls though).


The Formula One legend made a will distributing his $1.5 billion fortune three years before his horrific skiing accident.
http://www.showbizspy.com/article/264557/michael-schumacher-will-formula-one-legend-to-leave-fortune-to-wife-and-kids.html

[henners88]

Not being ghoulish, but I had NO idea that Schumacher was worth this kind of money! I figured maybe a couple hundred million, at most. Wow!

But with that said, I hope that the wife and kids don't get to see it anytime soon (meaning, I hope he pulls though).


The Formula One legend made a will distributing his $1.5 billion fortune three years before his horrific skiing accident.
http://www.showbizspy.com/article/264557/michael-schumacher-will-formula-one-legend-to-leave-fortune-to-wife-and-kids.html
I read years ago that he had broken the billion barrier but thought it was calculated in £'s. Our media today gave the figure of £750m and I expected it to be higher, not that it's a low sum at all. I'm sure right now Schuey would give it all up for good health though. I hope he recovers and after his long rehabilitation he is able to once again live a normal life. With his proven mental strength, surely it's possible.

[i_max2k2]

Professional Athletes probably have the best chance of recovering from any kind of trauma, and knowing Schumi, who has trained all this life, he will probably have a full recovery, the fact that he was found conscious after it, probably means he should not have any after effects, keeping my fingers crossed.

[easy rider]

I imagine everybody is looking forward, and can't wait for Schumacher's win #92.

[Mark]

Professional Athletes probably have the best chance of recovering from any kind of trauma, and knowing Schumi, who has trained all this life, he will probably have a full recovery,

It stands him in a better sted than someone who was unfit.



the fact that he was found conscious after it, probably means he should not have any after effects, keeping my fingers crossed.

This is based on what? Nothing really?

[i_max2k2]

Well he was conscious on arrival for the support staff, meaning the basic brain functions were working, its probably much better then finding him unconscious from the moment of impact.

[Ranger]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/motor-spor ... 6803272400 (http://www.news.com.au/sport/motor-sport/speculation-rampant-in-german-media-that-michael-schumacher-may-never-wake-from-coma/story-fnec578q-1226803272400)

Hopefully this is just speculation, but I fear the likeliness of a full recovery is decreasing. Godspeed.

[anfield5]

Doctors etc do tend to be focused on the extreme negative of most situations, and most reports like this are coming from admittedly highly qualified, but completely remote people, so I guess we will just have to wait and see.

People have made complete recoveries (albeit with some slight issues) from similar injuries, and if strength of character, determination, physical strength and single mindedness count for anything, Schumi should be in good stead.

[Roamy]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/motor-sport/speculation-rampant-in-german-media-that-michael-schumacher-may-never-wake-from-coma/story-fnec578q-1226803272400

Hopefully this is just speculation, but I fear the likeliness of a full recovery is decreasing. Godspeed.

unfortunately you are probably correct. A long time in a coma for a full recovery.

[Mark]

I think it became clear after the first few days that he wasn't just going to bounce back from this one.

Just recently Ariel Sharon died after spending 8 years in a coma following a stroke, not saying this will be Schumachers fate, but we just don't know :(

[AndyL]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/motor-sport/speculation-rampant-in-german-media-that-michael-schumacher-may-never-wake-from-coma/story-fnec578q-1226803272400

Hopefully this is just speculation

The first word of the headline is a bit of a clue.

[i_max2k2]

^^ Exactly speculation. Anyway the just released official statement says he is stable, WITHOUT using the word Critical, sounds like good news to me!

[Ranger]

^^ Exactly speculation. Anyway the just released official statement says he is stable, WITHOUT using the word Critical, sounds like good news to me!

Brain injuries are not as simple as life and death - just because he is not in a life-threatening condition does not automatically mean everything will be fine and dandy as you seem to think.

All we can do is hope for the best.

[henners88]

People have been in stable coma's for 30 years so we can't read too much into this. The length of time Michael has been in a coma (21 days) is rather concerning and we can just hope we get a breakthrough very soon.

[jens]

People have been in stable coma's for 30 years so we can't read too much into this. The length of time Michael has been in a coma (21 days) is rather concerning and we can just hope we get a breakthrough very soon.

People may have been in coma for years, but you can also think about life quality in this context. You may "come back", but have lost many valuable years of your life, not to mention that a "restart" to life would be incredibly hard too. Regardless of whether you had brain or other damage in the process.

Schumacher may survive, but the longer he stays in that condition, the bigger challenge the rest of the life is going to be.

Basically the situation is pretty bad. :(

[Bagwan]

People have been in stable coma's for 30 years so we can't read too much into this. The length of time Michael has been in a coma (21 days) is rather concerning and we can just hope we get a breakthrough very soon.

People may have been in coma for years, but you can also think about life quality in this context. You may "come back", but have lost many valuable years of your life, not to mention that a "restart" to life would be incredibly hard too. Regardless of whether you had brain or other damage in the process.

Schumacher may survive, but the longer he stays in that condition, the bigger challenge the rest of the life is going to be.

Basically the situation is pretty bad. :(

That's one side of the coin , jens , but there is another , shinier one , don't forget .
Prepare yourself for the worst , but allow yourself some hope .

He's had the best of care from the slopes to the operating table , and the length of the induced coma may not be any kind of direct indicator of his condition when they try to re-awaken him , but it is an indicator of the seriousness of the injury .
In my mind , I imagine that the doctors have reason to keep in the coma state , rather than trying to wake him now to see if he responds , and is the same man when he does .
This has me thinking that during this state he is improving , as the treatment goes on .

In that sense , no news is good news .

You were correct in all you said , but allow the possibility of a silver lining for the red shoe .
He's surprised us all before , and he's got the best team around him again , you can be sure .

[BleAivano]

His manager have just released a statement in which she says that the doctors
have starting to reduce the anaesthetic in the process of waking Schumacher from the coma.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25963926

[steveaki13]

This is when we really need to keep our fingers crossed.

Good Luck Michael

[SGWilko]

Amen - lets hope it's a full recovery.

However, when he sees the new for 2014 F1 cars, he'll wonder just WTF is going on!

[i_max2k2]

Hoping for the best.

[edv]

Unofficial accounts say he has blinked his eyes and also responded to voice.

[truefan72]

that is excellent news

[BleAivano]

article in the telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motors ... ports.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/michael-schumacher/10607830/Michael-Schumacher-has-blinked-and-is-responding-to-instructions-reports.html)

[anfield5]

Hopefully the good signs continue and he grows stronger as he is revived.

Keep up the fight Michael!

[Zico]

A poster on another forum who happens to be a medic gave a fairly detailed explanation of Mikes likely medical situation and procedures in laymans terms which I found very helpful. I'm sure he won't mind me sharing it with you guys on here..


"So, lemme give you the basics..

He had multiple epidural hematomas. An epidural hematoma is a collection of blood between the dura mater(sometimes called the tough matter)it's the fibrous covering of the brain that carries the arterial blood supply. What happened is that the inside of the skull, which is actually very rough, cut a few of those arteries. What happens then is that the blood collects, sometimes slow, sometimes rapidly. The case here is that he was unconscious, followed by a time frame of being awake, then essentially, decompenstating into a period of unconsciousness.

The part where that all goes bad is if he would have bled enough to push the brain our of the skull through the magnum foramen(herniation), that's where the spinal cord enters the skull. If that occurs it's 100% fatal.

So, what was done here, is that a head CT or MRI showed the bleeds, and he was subsequently sedated, intubated, and placed on the ventilator. He would have then been taken to surgery to remove the trapped blood. That may have been a craniotomy, or a burr-hole. In extreme circumstances, the can remove portions of the skull, and allow the brain to swell through them, then replace those later on.

He will have been on sedation for brain rest and comfort, with a pressure bolt to measure severity of intra-cranial pressures, a constant EEG for brain activity and IV feeds.

Currently he likely has a tracheostomy, and will slowly be weaned from sedation to judge level of function. until he is fully weaned, we won't know level of dysfunction.

It may be serious, it may be something as simple as memory issues. The fact that he is responding is a great sign..but, it needs to be approached with great restraint. This may be the highest level of function he will ever have, then again, he may be back to drifting Ferrari's like the Stig in two years.

Very hard to say. I prefer the latter to the former, but, neuro injuries are damn near impossible to predict."

[steveaki13]

I wasn't sure that I was going to post this, but reading about how they are deducing Michael's sedation I decided I would go ahead and give my story.

My mother had and now lives with a massive brain injury. I remember things that were similar to Michael Schumachers situation, back in 2005 when it all happened.

It was a massive brain haemorrhage and she was in a induced coma after many operations for about 4 weeks. They then began lifting the sedation a lot quicker than they have with Schumacher, but it was clear my mother had a lot of major damage.

I have been in the situation of his family, but now my Mum has partially recovered. Sadly some things she will never recover from. My mother was paralyzed on the whole left side, and although she is still weak on that side, it has eased and she can walk and live independently (i.e going down the town or on the bus) and although it doesn't sound much its great she has a life, that she can enjoy. Nothing worse than seeing someone you love being unable to get out and about. Luckily she now has that freedom.

Unfortunately she is unable to speak which is the biggest sadness.

At the time of my mothers stroke, she was given a less than 10% of surviving the day, and yet now she looks after herself most of the time and goes out and about.

So even if Michael does have some perminant damage he could still live a good life with his family and enjoy his life even if he doesn't get back to driving cars again.

All in all I am just saying that although that would be sad, it would also be a blessing for his family to have him back. Of course being a younger and stronger person, then maybe Michael can recover more.

I guess I am just saying that from a family who has experienced a similar situation, there is still hope of a great life ahead.

Good luck Michael. :)

[airshifter]

Steveaki13,

Thanks for posting that. I'm sure it wasn't easy to do, with wishing your mother could have fully recovered. But I think you bring up some very valid points in that any type of brain injury is an unknown to some extent, and not an exacting science. In your case having a family member go from little chance of survival to mostly taking care of themselves is an example of just how unknown it is, and how you are fortunate enough to still have her around.

I hope things work out well for Michael, but being overly optimistic is probably just that, and only time will tell how much his injury has affected him.

In recent months I've spent some time around military veterans who have suffered TBIs. Some recover almost 100%, some lose certain motor skills, and some recover very little. There are also those that recover a great deal in many areas, but certain functions are grossly restricted, and the frustration it causes them is just unreal. Many of them end up with severe depression, and many social walls form around them. It's given me a much better understanding of just how difficult brain injuries can be. I hope someday they get a better grip on it so no human will ever have to endure the strains they do now.

[steveaki13]

Thanks airshifter, you're right it is a strange thing the brain and thus depending on just where blood or damage occurs can depend on what the outcome is. My mother was unlucky that it wiped out here speech and communication sector, thus cannot speak, and struggles to read or write and yet memory is superb and more or less is fully active again physically.

We overcome communication problems, with emotions and gestures and drawings funnily enough. Its not easy but its still better than we could have hoped at the time.

It remains to be seen whether Michael has any of these issues, but despite what the wider world hopes, his family will just want their father/brother/husband back and if there are some problems along the way they will deal with them. That's the first stage.

[BleAivano]

Thank you for your message Steve, I don't have any personal experience of it but I know of
cases where the patient have suffered head injuries and long comas and still seems be at
a reasonable health level.

[i_max2k2]

Thanks for sharing that Steve. I know its not easy in such times, I have had somethings happen very recently with my mother. But I'm glad you have her and she is living happily. I hope Michael can recover quite well too.

[henners88]

Thanks for sharing that experience with us Steve. Sorry to hear about your mother and it's great she recovered enough to enjoy a decent quality of life. It must have been tough for you all.

Not as close as a parent but a good mate of mine had a serious accident on a dry Ski slope in 2002. I watched it happen and he had a 50mph accident through a fence and landed on his head in a car park. He was in intensive care for 2 months and in hospital for a year before spending another year in a rehabilitation unit at the Radcliffe in Oxford. Like your mother Steve he is partially paralysed down his one side, left I think, but is mobile these days. His speech is still slurred and he walks with a leg brace. He was only 19 when it happened and in an instant his whole life was changed. He's a happy chap though and gets on with things which is great. I had a lesson in the human brain and how precious it was that night in 2002 and it's the main reason I would never get on a bicycle without a helmet. Ours heads are too precious. It's experiences like this with Schumacher that highlight why it's never easy to tell how much someone will recover. I really hope Michael gets his life back even if he never gets behind the wheel again.

[steveaki13]

One thing after another.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/10632608/Comatose-Michael-Schumacher-hit-by-lung-infection.html

[i_max2k2]

Very sad indeed, hopefully this doesn't become something severe.

[BleAivano]

One thing after another.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/10632608/Comatose-Michael-Schumacher-hit-by-lung-infection.html

It's another case of media over-dramatizing.

Of course a pneumonia is serious bit is not really that kind of a big setback or something like that
but rather something all intubated coma patients will suffer from.

Read what the F1 Dock writes, calling it "a small bump in the road".

https://twitter.com/former_f1doc/status ... 1770493954 (https://twitter.com/former_f1doc/status/433356581770493954)
https://twitter.com/former_f1doc/status ... 1163655169 (https://twitter.com/former_f1doc/status/433356941163655169)
https://twitter.com/former_f1doc/status ... 6135062528 (https://twitter.com/former_f1doc/status/433357846135062528)
https://twitter.com/former_f1doc/status ... 7125368832 (https://twitter.com/former_f1doc/status/433358487125368832)
https://twitter.com/former_f1doc/status ... 8841145344 (https://twitter.com/former_f1doc/status/433358538841145344)

The rumour (like many times before) was started by the German tabloid Der Bild
and I would assume that since there is no official news about Schumi they have to make up their
own to news by twisting and turning on every little rumour to have something to write about.

[Roamy]

Sad Day

The Doctors say they are done - He did not wake up

[Robinho]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motors ... -coma.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/michael-schumacher/10659764/Michael-Schumachers-manager-refutes-claims-doctors-end-attempts-to-bring-him-out-of-medically-induced-coma.html)

Official reports say the process continues, but the lack of progress and positive news is worrying, and I expect more rumours of this nature in the coming weeks.

[minardi]

Latest from Sabine Kehm, and only small news, but I think everyone will have their fingers crossed the small signs develop into larger much more promising signs.

"We remain confident Michael will pull through & will wake up. There sometimes are small, encouraging signs"

[Alfa Fan]

Schumacher is waking up!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26885624

F1 champion Michael Schumacher is showing "moments of consciousness"

[steveaki13]

Well, its still not looking great, but that news is at least Good News.

Any positive signs are good. Lets hope there is more good news soon.

[Robinho]

That's far better than I'd thought it would ever get. Still not holding out much hope for a decent recovery unfortunately

[Robinho]

6 months or so since the accident and still not one positive sign, or piece of news, other than his body is still being kept alive. The latest news suggests he has been moved from intensive care and is 'out of danger" but he is either still in a coma or in an awake but uncommunicative state. Whatever the long term medical prognosis for his body, it seems clear that Schumacher, the man, died in the accident.

[Mark]

Whatever the long term medical prognosis for his body, it seems clear that Schumacher, the man, died in the accident.

We cannot rule out that he will still make a full recovery, but it does seem this is the most likely outcome :(

[Robinho]

In my, non medical, opinion, I am willing to say there will be no recovery of any note, not one that provides any quality of life. I think in some ways it's almost worse the way this has been dragged out, regardless of what chances there were of recovery when the accident happened. This way he is almost fading out with no fanfare, and will be recorded as having died months or years after the event which ultimately looks like it will kill him. I still hope I might be wrong, but I really don't think I am

[Mark]

Funny you should bring this up today as breaking news: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27868787


F1 legend Michael Schumacher has left hospital after the skiing accident that nearly killed him, and is no longer in a coma, his family says

[Robinho]

I did a news search the other day, which had the news that he'd left intensive care for rehab and was "out of danger". It didn't say whether he was still in a coma or not and didn't have an official manager or family statement. In this case, I'm not sure "out of the coma" in necessarily good news, when it's not couple with any information about his state

Edit, in fact a few terms I've just seen include "medically awake" and suggest he can't talk or move. Really struggling to see the good news here

[Mark]

I did a news search the other day, which had the news that he'd left intensive care for rehab and was "out of danger". It didn't say whether he was still in a coma or not and didn't have an official manager or family statement. In this case, I'm not sure "out of the coma" in necessarily good news, when it's not couple with any information about his state

Edit, in fact a few terms I've just seen include "medically awake" and suggest he can't talk or move. Really struggling to see the good news here


I guess this is the point where we actually find out the extent of his injuries.

[Robinho]

I think the blackout will continue for a while yet, now he is an undisclosed location.

[henners88]

If he is out of a coma it means he is in the rehabilitation stage which usually means he is awake but sometimes unaware of his surroundings and unable to communicate. A good friend of mine had a serious accident back in 2002 and was in a coma for a considerable time. He woke up and in truth it was like visiting a severely handicapped person. He made noises instead of speaking and squirmed around a lot on the bed in the hospital. It was upsetting to see but he made a considerable recovery and I expect Michael to do the same. I think its highly likely he'll never fully recover but will have a decent standard of life. It'll be a long journey ahead but I think this latest news is the best yet. He'll have the best people in the medical profession assisting him too. I just hope we see him in public again in the future and he remembers his past, something my mate never recovered.

[MacFeegle]

Much good news we hope. Good wishes

[pino]

What a great news ! http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/16/by3u5u7e.jpg

[Mark]

It's confirmed he's been transferred to Lausanne university hospital in Switzerland.

[Tazio]

I'm still hoping for the best for Mike, and his family.

[Doc Austin]

Keep fighting, Michael.

[steveaki13]

I hope this is good news and he can begin a new path of recovery. Hope we get a bit more information once he is settled and stable in Switzerland.

[airshifter]

Brain injuries and comas are always uncertain things. I refuse to speculate as I've seen instances go both directions rapidly.

I have an acquaintance who by coincidence worked on local stock cars and got me into working with some of the owners doing the graphics on them. He went into a coma after having a massive seizure, and all indications were that things were not looking good. A few weeks later he woke up in the hospital, wondering why he was there and why people were visiting. They still haven't figured it out, but he lost nothing other than the memory of the time he was in the coma.


So as far as I'm concerned, I'm sticking with team Mercedes on my approach.....


#keepfightingmichael

[steveaki13]

If the story of the guy stealing Schumacher's records wasn't strange enough, he has now been found hung/hanged in his cell.

What a weird string of events.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28680067

[N4D13]

Have there been any new developments whatsoever? The lack of news is rather worrying.

[steveaki13]

I am not quoting this as a accurate assessment, but this is the only news I have seen recently.

One assumes they have heard something, lets hope this is true and we get some more concrete news soon.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/michael-schumacher-condition-latest-update-racing-legend-could-be-home-next-month-reason-for-jet-sale-revealed-125200/

[jens]

Have there been any new developments whatsoever? The lack of news is rather worrying.

Perhaps it is in the best interest of Schumacher himself. Whatever he is doing, healing or else, do it silently away from the attention of media and public.

[N4D13]

Perhaps it is in the best interest of Schumacher himself. Whatever he is doing, healing or else, do it silently away from the attention of media and public.
Fair enough. However, I'm afraid that the lack of news implies that something isn't really well for him (to put it mildly), and I'm guttered. :(

[Bagwan]

Perhaps it is in the best interest of Schumacher himself. Whatever he is doing, healing or else, do it silently away from the attention of media and public.

I agree , jens .
We don't need to see a strong man in his weakest state .
We only need to know he has the best of care .

And , that is a given .

[GravettFan99]

We will be informed by the Schumacher family and Sabine when they feel that we need to know. :)

[Tazio]

We will be informed by the Schumacher family and Sabine when they feel that we need to know. :)
Henceforth, Michael's rehabilitation will take place at his home. Considering the severe injuries he suffered, progress has been made in the past weeks and months. There is still, however, a long and difficult road ahead."We would like to extend our gratitude to the entire team at CHUV Lausanne for their thorough and competent work.
"We ask that the privacy of Michael's family continue to be respected, and that speculations about his state of health are avoided. Well there you go, practically zero about his condition- Bless you and yours Mike.
http://www.si.com/racing/2014/09/09/michael-schumacher-home-skiing-accident

[CNR]

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/michael.schumacher.condition.update.f1.champ.commu nicating.through.eyes/46002.htm
Michael Schumacher condition update: F1 Champ communicating through eyes

Read more: http://www.christiantoday.com/article/michael.schumacher.condition.update.f1.champ.commu nicating.through.eyes/46002.htm#ixzz3P1W9K0Kl

this sounds bad muscle deterioration and weakening of bones (I know I spent 14 and a 1/2 months in hospital)

[The Black Knight]

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/michael.schumacher.condition.update.f1.champ.commu nicating.through.eyes/46002.htm
Michael Schumacher condition update: F1 Champ communicating through eyes

Read more: http://www.christiantoday.com/article/michael.schumacher.condition.update.f1.champ.commu nicating.through.eyes/46002.htm#ixzz3P1W9K0Kl

this sounds bad muscle deterioration and weakening of bones (I know I spent 14 and a 1/2 months in hospital)

A lot of this is just speculation and totally unconfirmed. The family have really not released anything of any significance to inform fans about how he is doing. IMO they should release a statement because we all, except for one or two, have nothing but warmth and affection for him and want to know how he is doing. But it's their choice! I just don't really understand why the updates have been so sparse. Most important thing is that he is getting the best possible care he can get.

[Doc Austin]

I just don't really understand why the updates have been so sparse.

Probably a combination of the family wanting all the attention to fade away, and maybe progress really is this slow. Considering the severity of the injury and subsequent surgeries, and how long Schumacher was in a coma, he's probably making remarkable progress.

Here's to wishing Michael the very best.

[CNR]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/04/michael-schumacher-ferrari-not-good

Michael Schumacher: news of F1 legend’s health not good, says former Ferrari boss

• Luca di Montezemolo hints seven-time F1 champion has suffered setback
• Schumacher’s spokesperson reportedly declines to respond to comments
The condition of the multiple Formula One world champion Michael Schumacher was the subject of fresh concern on Thursday evening following a remark from his old Ferrari boss Luca di Montezemolo, who said: “I have news and unfortunately it is not good.”

The former Ferrari president, who said he was “always checking up on the driver”, was speaking to journalists in Milan, and added: “Michael was a great driver, and we experienced a long time together in both our personal and professional lives. But life is really strange. He was the most successful driver of Ferrari and in his career he had only one accident, in 1999. But unfortunately a fall in a ski accident has broken him.”

after 2 years it can not be good that he has not been seen any ware

[The Black Knight]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/04/michael-schumacher-ferrari-not-good

Michael Schumacher: news of F1 legend’s health not good, says former Ferrari boss

• Luca di Montezemolo hints seven-time F1 champion has suffered setback
• Schumacher’s spokesperson reportedly declines to respond to comments
The condition of the multiple Formula One world champion Michael Schumacher was the subject of fresh concern on Thursday evening following a remark from his old Ferrari boss Luca di Montezemolo, who said: “I have news and unfortunately it is not good.”

The former Ferrari president, who said he was “always checking up on the driver”, was speaking to journalists in Milan, and added: “Michael was a great driver, and we experienced a long time together in both our personal and professional lives. But life is really strange. He was the most successful driver of Ferrari and in his career he had only one accident, in 1999. But unfortunately a fall in a ski accident has broken him.”

after 2 years it can not be good that he has not been seen any ware

Yeah, I think the year and a half that has past since and official update to me says it all really, and that is that he is not doing well at all. It's a shame for such a legend to be stricken like this. He's given us all so much joy over the years, he really doesn't deserve this and it's heartbreaking.

Unfortunately, we can all only continue to wish him a speedy recovery and hope that a miracle happens.

[Tazio]

It's a shame for such a legend to be stricken like this. He's given us all so much joy over the years, he really doesn't deserve this and it's heartbreaking.
This, yes, Damn!

[Tazio]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/michael-schumacher/12160763/Michael-Schumacher-will-hopefully-one-day-be-back-with-us-says-manager.html

The truth hurts, just rip my freakin' heart out!

[Zico]

Practically zero news on his condition in the last three years, am I alone in finding this so bizzare? I can only make the assumption that its because it would be the worst possible news. :( :( :(

[airshifter]

Just an update I saw the other day.

https://jalopnik-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/jalopnik.com/fia-president-jean-todt-says-michael-schumacher-is-maki-1836847006/amp?amp_js_v=0.1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google .com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fjalopnik.com%2Ffia-president-jean-todt-says-michael-schumacher-is-maki-1836847006

The come from behind race of Hamilton today reminded me of when MS pulled it off as well. He never gave up on track.

[The Black Knight]

Just an update I saw the other day.

https://jalopnik-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/jalopnik.com/fia-president-jean-todt-says-michael-schumacher-is-maki-1836847006/amp?amp_js_v=0.1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google .com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fjalopnik.com%2Ffia-president-jean-todt-says-michael-schumacher-is-maki-1836847006

The come from behind race of Hamilton today reminded me of when MS pulled it off as well. He never gave up on track.

I saw this and meant to post it. It’s great news that there is some progress at least. He’ll probably never make a full recovery but hopefully he’ll manage to lead some sort of normal life again for the remainder of his years.

#KeepFightingMichael #Hero

[Nitrodaze]

Just an update I saw the other day.

https://jalopnik-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/jalopnik.com/fia-president-jean-todt-says-michael-schumacher-is-maki-1836847006/amp?amp_js_v=0.1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google .com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fjalopnik.com%2Ffia-president-jean-todt-says-michael-schumacher-is-maki-1836847006

The come from behind race of Hamilton today reminded me of when MS pulled it off as well. He never gave up on track.

It is great news to hear something positive at last. No news would always conjure the worst imagination in the mind, so this is good.

[melaniepss]

The F1 fraternity and its fans should not tolerate this kind of behavior from journalists. Personally, I do not want to see a picture of this great man in the state he is in.

[airshifter]

I'm surprised nobody has seen this yet or commented on it.

https://www-newshub-co-nz.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2019/09/motorsport-nurse-says-michael-schumacher-conscious-after-cutting-edge-stem-cell-treatment.amp.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ%3D%3D#aoh=15682871317277&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newshub.co.nz%2Fhome%2F sport%2F2019%2F09%2Fmotorsport-nurse-says-michael-schumacher-conscious-after-cutting-edge-stem-cell-treatment.html