View Full Version : [ERC] Rally Liep?ja 2014 (31.1.-1.2. 2014)
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 11:21
http://go4speed.lv/data/images/DSC_3294_1.JPG
Griebel:
http://go4speed.lv/data/images/oPEL_ADAM_AVAR.jpg
garais22
1st February 2014, 11:25
Great VIDEO review of the qualifying stage and Rally Liepaja opening + leading drivers comments http://www.tv3play.lv/play/353639?autostart=true
Mirek
1st February 2014, 11:36
Thanks! Gryazhin saying he has top speed only 164 km/h. The more great his performance is!
Fast Eddie WRC
1st February 2014, 11:38
“I have never seen anything like that,” said Breen, who was third quickest on the stage and holds the final podium spot in the overall standings, 3.3s down on second-placed Lappi and 26.3s behind Gryazin. “You get into a rhythm and then the car throws you off. It is such deep snow, it is really difficult.”
Sounds like the snow came after all.. :bounce:
garais22
1st February 2014, 11:41
First PHOTO GALLERY from Rally Liep?ja today`s stages http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/erc/702 ... a-1-diena/ (http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/erc/702-rally-liepaja-1-diena/)
Fast Eddie WRC
1st February 2014, 11:47
Sounds a bit ominous for Gryazin... :(
"Sometimes we don’t have 5th gear & now on road section coming to service 2nd gear has a strange sound.. ”
LVrainman
1st February 2014, 11:47
The thing is that , even tho we had a great snowfall/storm this night, usually in Liepaja itself there allways is much less snow than ~30-50 km inland. That's becouse the town lies by the sea but ~30-50 km deeper inland the land level rises ~100m above sea level, so that's where usually the "deep" snow comes.
Mihai
1st February 2014, 11:55
Breen - “It is such deep snow, it is really difficult.”
Indeed! Lappi tweeting a pic with the of road surface on SS3 :
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfYorCUIQAAlqar.jpg
Mirek
1st February 2014, 12:21
Gryazhin takes another 10 seconds from Lappi!
WUff1
1st February 2014, 12:23
Bouffier was no normal technical failure, but impact which damaged his radiator - so probably no other rally "sponsored" by ph sport.
EDIT: And Breen seems to have lost his confidence somewhere in 2013 ...
Rallyper
1st February 2014, 12:25
Gryazin very impressive drive so far. Though he´s "pushing hard".
Mirek
1st February 2014, 12:42
Rokland and Kristiansen on SS3!
Jarek Z
1st February 2014, 12:44
Did you guys see that? Steve Røkland from Norway driving Ford Fiesta R2 was third on SS3. This rally is full of surprises and I like it!
Jarek Z
1st February 2014, 12:46
Damn it! Rokland has just been overtaken by Peter Kristiansen and his Skoda Fabia R2!
Mihai
1st February 2014, 12:46
Insane pace from some of the R2 crews. Has anyone told them that they are 2WD and shouldn't be faster than 4WD on snow ? :D
Jarek Z
1st February 2014, 12:49
I guess the second loop will give us more realistic times...
Do you call it realistic times?! :D
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 12:50
Insane pace from some of the R2 crews. Has anyone told them that they are 2WD and shouldn't be faster than 4WD on snow ? :D
Not much snow left on the road when R2 pass.
EDIT: but yes, some of them show impressive pace :)
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 12:50
I guess the second loop will give us more realistic times...
Do you call it realistic times?! :D
SS3 is still first pass
Mirek
1st February 2014, 12:52
I guess the second loop will give us more realistic times...
Do you call it realistic times?! :D
First stage which is run second time is SS4.
EDIT: Stefan was faster :)
Jarek Z
1st February 2014, 12:56
Thanks guys! Didn't notice that. Let's wait for SS4 then!
Mirek
1st February 2014, 13:01
Körge probably out - mechanical problems.
Rallyper
1st February 2014, 13:01
Insane pace from some of the R2 crews. Has anyone told them that they are 2WD and shouldn't be faster than 4WD on snow ? :D
Not much snow left on the road when R2 pass.
EDIT: but yes, some of them show impressive pace :)
Fast roads only gravel and supposly no juctions, means they can go as fast they do.
Tom206wrc
1st February 2014, 13:08
Why did Jan Cerny lose so much in SS3 ??? :(
Mirek
1st February 2014, 13:09
Why did Jan Cerny lose so much in SS3 ??? :(
I will tell You after service break ;)
Mihai
1st February 2014, 13:09
Insane pace from some of the R2 crews. Has anyone told them that they are 2WD and shouldn't be faster than 4WD on snow ? :D
Not much snow left on the road when R2 pass.
EDIT: but yes, some of them show impressive pace :)
I still see plenty of snow for everyone down the starting list (Feldmanis on SS3) :
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfY9TVYIYAA0uv3.jpg
Btw, glamour girl Inessa Tushkanova (http://wp.me/p1dTPZ-CG) faster than both Tempestini's for the third straight time. :cool:
Jarek Z
1st February 2014, 13:13
Lappi fastest so far on SS4, but let's wait for the crazy R2 drivers ;)
Fast Eddie WRC
1st February 2014, 13:17
And Breen seems to have lost his confidence somewhere in 2013 ...
Better time on SS4 ...
I dont think we can judge him yet as the road conditions here are so tricky and variable according to road position. Plus the 207 S2000 has been inferior for a long time now.
pantealex
1st February 2014, 13:19
I think all those 2wd times are 1 or 2min too good.
no snow - no studs - no grip
Mirek
1st February 2014, 13:23
I think all those 2wd times are 1 or 2min too good.
no snow - no studs - no grip
Those times are real. The problem is that yesterday there was no snow and the ground was frozen to bone but during the night quite a lot of snow fell. Now it's very hard bottom surface with a lot of loose snow on top. First cars are plowing and those running far behind are driving on frozen gravel.
Tom206wrc
1st February 2014, 13:25
After finishing SS4 Cerny doesn't explain he had any problem on previous stage apparently :confused:
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 13:51
Insane pace from some of the R2 crews. Has anyone told them that they are 2WD and shouldn't be faster than 4WD on snow ? :D
Not much snow left on the road when R2 pass.
EDIT: but yes, some of them show impressive pace :)
I still see plenty of snow for everyone down the starting list (Feldmanis on SS3) :
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfY9TVYIYAA0uv3.jpg
I said ON the road, not OFF.
dimviii
1st February 2014, 13:52
no good rally imho till now.You can t compare with that road condition.
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 13:55
I think SS5&6 will make some difference, this one was too short
Karbonyl
1st February 2014, 14:37
Marco Tempestini retiring in service after SS4.
Mirek
1st February 2014, 14:39
Two Fiestas R5 already out with engine problems...
dimviii
1st February 2014, 14:40
from what reason Mirek?
thanks in advance.
Mirek
1st February 2014, 14:41
I don't know. Tempestini was complaining about overheating before.
Consani did the stage 2 minutes faster than in first run - over 26 km!
drive
1st February 2014, 15:04
anyone upthere could take close up pictures of tyres/spikes after SS finnish? interesting how 'narrow' tyres holds again 'fat' ones WRC type that ERC guys using... as local championship participants drives on narrow ones and lithuanian Rokas Kvaraciejus shows incredible times with his mitsubishi on 'narrow' tyres http://rallykurzeme.lv/?m=42&r=115
drive
1st February 2014, 15:11
Kvaraciejus just posted picture of his tyre after SS4 - not that many spikes left - how can he drive that fast then? :eek:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=224184854432569&set=a.213790068805381.1073741827.213701558814232&type=1&theater
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/q71/s720x720/999275_224184854432569_1233118668_n.jpg
Mirek
1st February 2014, 15:13
He was running in completely different conditions than ERC front runners. On SS4 he wasn't that superfast.
Another Fiesta R5 in trouble - Jeets without power steering.
drive
1st February 2014, 15:37
yes, when you see his tyres after ss4 :)
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 16:05
Another excellent time for Lappi, would Gryazin hold on?
Mirek
1st February 2014, 16:13
Lappi takes full bonus points for first leg after he overtook Gryazhin now. Still fantastic performance from Gryazhin!
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 16:17
Lappi video - http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/15/id/324/t/ERC-LATVIA-LAPPI%26%23039%3BS-SHOW
RS
1st February 2014, 16:18
Much better performance by Wiegand on the second loop.
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 16:19
Lappi takes full bonus points for first leg after he overtook Gryazhin now. Still fantastic performance from Gryazhin!
Yeah, great drive for him today, I think he can hold 2nd tomorrow.
EDIT: Wiegand shows some very nice times in the afternoon too.
Kalm
1st February 2014, 16:24
Kõrge`s Fiesta overheated because all of the cooling fan blades where missing... :rolleyes:
from twitter: " All engine cooling fan blades are left from inside..? Mysterious! No mechanical damage "(to the engine)
HarriK
1st February 2014, 16:51
Just passed breen on last liasion. He was changing tyre at bus stop.
WUff1
1st February 2014, 16:56
I think Skoda´ll go for a full ERC campaign with Lappi now, at least more than 6 rallies. If nothing extraordinary happens, he´ll win this rally.
Curious how 208 T16 will compete against Fabia S2000.
Mirek
1st February 2014, 16:58
Just passed breen on last liasion. He was changing tyre at bus stop.
When You have time can You give us some impressions from today?
Tom206wrc
1st February 2014, 17:18
Cerny took back the Junior lead from Rökland at end of leg :bounce:
But Immonen is only +7"7 ;)
mm1
1st February 2014, 17:25
My impresdions - very bad draving by most, can't understand, why would you want to spend at least 50k€ for a top spec car and then drive so slow.
Lappi, Grjazin, Vorobjovs, Svilis, Wiegand were nice to watch, all the others, sorry, no fun at all...
Juha_Koo
1st February 2014, 19:19
Bouffier's unlucky stage: http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... S-MISTAKES (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/15/id/326/t/ERC-LATVIA-EVEN-THE-BEST-MAKES-MISTAKES)
Mirek
1st February 2014, 19:25
That was really unlucky end. When I compare for example with crashes of Novikov from NORF 2013 or 2012 after which the car was normally drivable...
RICARDO75
1st February 2014, 19:27
Bouffier's unlucky stage: http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... S-MISTAKES (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/15/id/326/t/ERC-LATVIA-EVEN-THE-BEST-MAKES-MISTAKES)
...and from outside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsmlbaKMb8
WUff1
1st February 2014, 19:37
Yes, really bad luck for Bouffy :(
RS
1st February 2014, 20:04
That was incredibly unlucky for Bouffier, barely any visible damage on the car and such a slow impact.
RS
1st February 2014, 20:08
My impresdions - very bad draving by most, can't understand, why would you want to spend at least 50k€ for a top spec car and then drive so slow.
Lappi, Grjazin, Vorobjovs, Svilis, Wiegand were nice to watch, all the others, sorry, no fun at all...
What about Breen and Kajetanowicz? They were mostly ahead of Wiegand.
garais22
1st February 2014, 20:26
Nice pictures from 1st Liep?ja rally day http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/erc/702 ... a-1-diena/ (http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/erc/702-rally-liepaja-1-diena/)
Kalm
1st February 2014, 20:29
My impresdions - very bad draving by most, can't understand, why would you want to spend at least 50k€ for a top spec car and then drive so slow.
Lappi, Grjazin, Vorobjovs, Svilis, Wiegand were nice to watch, all the others, sorry, no fun at all...
What about Breen and Kajetanowicz? They were mostly ahead of Wiegand.
and Plangi ? , he is ahead of both Svilis and Vorobjovs who are known for their sideways driving style, fun to watch and fast are different things... but I know what you mean, there are a lot of top spec cars in the hands of gentelmen drivers, but they are there with their own money and are driving for their own fun, not to be fun to watch for the spectators... :)
drive
1st February 2014, 20:42
Kvaraciejus tyre after ss5 - starting after 50 or so cars its not much fun for stages run twice, loose gravel like in summer...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1779078_224256594425395_1867566511_n.jpg
mm1
1st February 2014, 20:45
My impresdions - very bad draving by most, can't understand, why would you want to spend at least 50k€ for a top spec car and then drive so slow.
Lappi, Grjazin, Vorobjovs, Svilis, Wiegand were nice to watch, all the others, sorry, no fun at all...
What about Breen and Kajetanowicz? They were mostly ahead of Wiegand.
Yes, we can ad both of them, but not full commitment in all places I saw them.
I don't mind that they are spending their own money, just would love to see a higher level of competition.
You see the gaps, don't you?
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 20:47
My impresdions - very bad draving by most, can't understand, why would you want to spend at least 50k€ for a top spec car and then drive so slow.
Lappi, Grjazin, Vorobjovs, Svilis, Wiegand were nice to watch, all the others, sorry, no fun at all...
What about Breen and Kajetanowicz? They were mostly ahead of Wiegand.
fun to watch and fast are different things...
Sure, Lappi obviously can do both ;)
COD
1st February 2014, 20:52
That was incredibly unlucky for Bouffier, barely any visible damage on the car and such a slow impact.
Agreed. But must be due to Citroen design. Maybe more designed to race than rally? Small impacts are part of rallying. Cars should be designed to withstand such impacts
bluuford
1st February 2014, 20:56
Remember.. last year Kubica took many Christmas trees from the Finish forests with the same car.. nothing hapened..
RS
1st February 2014, 20:58
That was incredibly unlucky for Bouffier, barely any visible damage on the car and such a slow impact.
Agreed. But must be due to Citroen design. Maybe more designed to race than rally? Small impacts are part of rallying. Cars should be designed to withstand such impacts
That's what I thought, but I couldn't believe Citroen would design a car which couldn't withstand that?
Which is why I thought it must be a freak accident.
garais22
1st February 2014, 21:11
No Bouffier on the start list on 2nd day of Rally Liep?ja :(
http://www.autorally.lv/files/r115/start-tc6f.pdf
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 21:14
No Bouffier on the start list on 2nd day of Rally Liep?ja :(
http://www.autorally.lv/files/r115/start-tc6f.pdf
Engine damaged severely :confused:
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 21:20
Remember.. last year Kubica took many Christmas trees from the Finish forests with the same car.. nothing hapened..
Yeah, but that was far from Christmas tree, still not so strong impact, must be unlucky accident
HarriK
1st February 2014, 21:24
When You have time can You give us some impressions from today?
We did 4 stages (1,2,3 and6) + one mid day service and last service of day.
Tamrasov: spectacular friendly lines, but of course not so fast ones
Wiegand: as said, struckled with snow
Orsak: nice looking drive
Lappi: struckled with snow a liitle bit at first loop. Looked like full attack mode on last stage.
Bouffier, was sure fast at first stage.
Kajetanowics: nothing special, smooth driving
Breen: too much sideways, almost hit a stump of a treee on ss3 end part.
Gryazin: fast!, pure driving lines.
Cerny and Immonen, both in their own class in ss2 end part 90degrees junction. Fast incoming speed and out.
I`m looking forward tomorrow starting stage!
Mirek
1st February 2014, 21:45
I don't mind that they are spending their own money, just would love to see a higher level of competition.
You see the gaps, don't you?
I will play a bit of devil's advocate but for many of those drivers the snow/gravel conditions are very unusual. For Nordic drivers it might be easy like to walk but for drivers from asphalt countries it's different thing. For example Tarabus is 37 years old now but he never drove on these 15" tyres except Rally Norway 6 years a go and that is his only experience on Nordic winter stages. In Czech republic we have largely no snow this winter and also almost all roads here are asphalt ones so You can not practice here. He isn't a works drivers and he can not afford to crash the car on every unfamiliar rally only to find where the edge is to be faster next time. He also openly admits his driving is far from being fast.
But the same applies often when You guys from Baltic or Scandinavia come on asphalt :) I remember first asphalt event of Hänninen here with Škoda in 2009. He was pretty slow even compared to top national drivers. Kruuda or Plangi had a hard time here on Barum too.
We did 4 stages (1,2,3 and6) + one mid day service and last service of day...
Thanks Harri!
Jarek Z
1st February 2014, 22:04
Remember.. last year Kubica took many Christmas trees from the Finish forests with the same car.. nothing hapened..
Exactly, Kubica's Citroen survived something like that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhTVjMBdad8
so Bouffier must have been extremely unlucky to be stopped by such a small mistake.
Jarek Z
1st February 2014, 22:15
I will play a bit of devil's advocate but for many of those drivers the snow/gravel conditions are very unusual. For Nordic drivers it might be easy like to walk but for drivers from asphalt countries it's different thing. For example Tarabus is 37 years old now but he never drove on these 15" tyres except Rally Norway 6 years a go and that is his only experience on Nordic winter stages. In Czech republic we have largely no snow this winter and also almost all roads here are asphalt ones so You can not practice here. He isn't a works drivers and he can not afford to crash the car on every unfamiliar rally only to find where the edge is to be faster next time. He also openly admits his driving is far from being fast.
That is exactly the problem of this sport. Mirek, you shouldn't play a role of devil's advocate, because a typical spectator doesn't care who has what kind of experience on what kind of surface. mm1 is a spectator - he buys a ticket and wants to see the show. If he doesn't get the show, he is disappointed. This is European Championship, so mm1 expects a good level of competition. Look at football. We had European Championship in football in Poland in 2012. Millions of people bought tickets and got the good show. That's why those millions of people still watch football and not rallying.
Mirek
1st February 2014, 22:23
Our colleague John V makes interviews with drivers in every service stop. It's in Czech but I roughly translated interviews after leg 1. Source is here: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=16064
Esapekka Lappi: "It was good day. We weren't lucky in choosing the start position yesterday, we should have gone at the end not at the start. We lost some time with that but now we set the best time so it was good. We didn't mind the darkness. It's good we took the lead but it's not over yet, one more long day to come. It will be more equal tomorrow. The car was working perfectly, we enjoyed it and except the deep snow we had no problem."
Vasilij Gryazin: "There was a lot of gravel on the last two stages and I didn't cope with that very well but I think we did maximum we could today. The result is sure very good and I'm very satisfied. Sure, Lappi will be faster than me tomorrow, I have to be realistic. About the gearbox, I think we will change it now in the evening."
Craig Breen: „The problem was we had the car set for gravel so it didn't work good in deep snow but we need to fight with that. We already tried some changes. For tomorrow we will slightly change differential and suspension settings. Tomorrow we will hardly come up with something, we must simply go flat out all the time."
Sepp Wiegand: „The end of the day was finally all right. The road was much cleaner and it was much easier. I enjoyed driving more. I hope we won't have same problem with starting position tomorrow. I don't like to drive again in deep snow without a chance for improvement. We need to reach finish but in the same time I believe we will go fast enough."
Kajetan Kajetanowicz: „We are very satisfied how it all went today. We didn't do a single mistake and we were fast. It wasn't easy because we have no experience with conditions like this. I'm really happy we were able to fight with the European vice-champion Breen. The main thing is that we gained a lot of experience today."
Janis Vorobjovs: „The last two stages weren't easy because we had to go fast to keep with others but I managed to keep a speed I wanted. Now we'll take a rest and tomorrow we'll go fast again."
Jaroslav Orsák: „The last two stages were great, I enjoyed them. The setup isn't ideal yet but it was much better now as we had much more grip. We will change it a bit more and I hope in a good direction. The times were better now and hopefully it wasn't that terrible like in the morning. It's only our second start with this car so we have to learn but it's getting better."
Jaromír Tarabus: „The end of day was more on gravel, it was still snowy but the grip was better. We enjoyed a lot the penultimate stage which we managed great but on the last one we had several big moments and after one half we lost studs. Probably the driving was too aggressive, we also went off and lost some seconds there. The end of day therefore wasn't very good and honestly we did well only in one stage today. It was a real school today though. We could not do anything about the starting position and tomorrow it won't be much better I guess, let's see. From time to time we change something on the setup but Roman (Kresta - team boss) told us just to push so we try."
Jan ?erný: „The end of day wasn't bad but it could have been better. I started the last stage in a full attack mode and it was too much because in the half I had no studs. We shall have calmed it down and the time could have been twenty seconds better. Moreover we destroyed the tyres. Tomorrow we need to start like this morning but it's difficult because it must be smooth, not too aggressive. On the other hand it can not be too slow, You have to find the right speed. There was a lot of snow on third stage and I have never experienced that so I didn't do well there. In the second pass it was much better although with worse tyres. It gave us a lesson how to drive in these conditions. We are leading juniors so we are really happy."
Steve Rokland: „After stage five we were just sliding. We lost all studs on the last stage and it took a lot of time for us. But for tomorrow we have good tyres left so we'll see how we will do. We'll try to fight."
Petter Kristiansen: „We had a big moment on the last stage but luckily we escaped. The studs had a hard time but we still have some for tomorrow. We have broken exhaust, I cut one corner too much and hit it. I have to drive by head tomorrow but the stages are shorter and on some it will be possible to use used tyres but sure it will be difficult. After the second stage of today where we lost a lot of time we changed the tyre pressure and it was better. We'll see tomorrow but if we shall somehow specially save the tyres it would cost us too much time. It's not easy."
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 22:41
I see some drivers had problems with gone studs after half a stage on full attack, it is learning experience I guess in such Rallies.
Rallyper
1st February 2014, 22:46
I don't mind that they are spending their own money, just would love to see a higher level of competition.
You see the gaps, don't you?
I will play a bit of devil's advocate but for many of those drivers the snow/gravel conditions are very unusual. For Nordic drivers it might be easy like to walk but for drivers from asphalt countries it's different thing. For example Tarabus is 37 years old now but he never drove on these 15" tyres except Rally Norway 6 years a go and that is his only experience on Nordic winter stages. In Czech republic we have largely no snow this winter and also almost all roads here are asphalt ones so You can not practice here. He isn't a works drivers and he can not afford to crash the car on every unfamiliar rally only to find where the edge is to be faster next time. He also openly admits his driving is far from being fast.
But the same applies often when You guys from Baltic or Scandinavia come on asphalt :) I remember first asphalt event of Hänninen here with Škoda in 2009. He was pretty slow even compared to top national drivers. Kruuda or Plangi had a hard time here on Barum too.
We did 4 stages (1,2,3 and6) + one mid day service and last service of day...
Thanks Harri!
Well, guys. I have to say that the stages today was more like Rally Finland. Having said that sitting at home looking at a PC. But with gravel and winter tyres you just have to drive like it was summer and hard gravel roads. That´s my comment on todays stages which in my view wasn´t so hard to tackle.
mm1
1st February 2014, 22:55
I will play a bit of devil's advocate but for many of those drivers the snow/gravel conditions are very unusual. For Nordic drivers it might be easy like to walk but for drivers from asphalt countries it's different thing. For example Tarabus is 37 years old now but he never drove on these 15" tyres except Rally Norway 6 years a go and that is his only experience on Nordic winter stages. In Czech republic we have largely no snow this winter and also almost all roads here are asphalt ones so You can not practice here. He isn't a works drivers and he can not afford to crash the car on every unfamiliar rally only to find where the edge is to be faster next time. He also openly admits his driving is far from being fast.
That is exactly the problem of this sport. Mirek, you shouldn't play a role of devil's advocate, because a typical spectator doesn't care who has what kind of experience on what kind of surface. mm1 is a spectator - he buys a ticket and wants to see the show. If he doesn't get the show, he is disappointed. This is European Championship, so mm1 expects a good level of competition. Look at football. We had European Championship in football in Poland in 2012. Millions of people bought tickets and got the good show. That's why those millions of people still watch football and not rallying.
Thats the problem, I'm not a spectator, not in the usual sense of word, I'm a few times Latvian champion, and I know this wasn't good enough, but you can think what you want!
Mihai
1st February 2014, 23:27
I'm a few times Latvian champion
Allow me a wild guess. Matiss Mezaks ? :)
stefanvv
1st February 2014, 23:31
We must take into account that Gryazin was with 4 gears today mostly, so tomorrow might be a fight for the victory. The surprise of the Rally :)
Mirek
1st February 2014, 23:47
That is exactly the problem of this sport. Mirek, you shouldn't play a role of devil's advocate, because a typical spectator doesn't care who has what kind of experience on what kind of surface. mm1 is a spectator - he buys a ticket and wants to see the show. If he doesn't get the show, he is disappointed. This is European Championship, so mm1 expects a good level of competition. Look at football. We had European Championship in football in Poland in 2012. Millions of people bought tickets and got the good show. That's why those millions of people still watch football and not rallying.
I don't agree with You. Even when You speak about football world championship the majority of teams play very terrible game compared to several top ones. I would not compare this at all because I have also watched quite a lot of terrible matches involving the best teams. It's simply something different.
You can compare ERC with WRC. The level of WRC competitors is higher than the level of ERC ones but that one is still higher than the one of WRC supporter championships. That's how it is. The second league is never better than the first league. Even in football.
HarriK
2nd February 2014, 05:16
Now I'm at ss7 start line. Still no sunshine in a hour. First ones need extra lights maybe.
No snow has come at night.
I have fever, but have to go!
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 06:52
Interesting thing now - Plangi is running much later than he shall according to the start list but on the other hand it helped him to win the stage! Maybe it was intentional tactics from him?
stefanvv
2nd February 2014, 07:01
Interesting thing now - Plangi is running much later than he shall according to the start list but on the other hand it helped him to win the stage! Maybe it was intentional tactics from him?
How this was his choice?
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 07:05
I have no idea if it was his choice or not.
stefanvv
2nd February 2014, 07:07
Oh, I see:
Unfortunately Plangi was 16-minutes late at TC6F and has been excluded for being over maximum lateness - Clerk of Course Decision No. 6
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 07:10
Thanks, now I see it too. Pity then :(
WRC1
2nd February 2014, 07:34
very very dissapointing rallye for people in first starting positions....there is absolutly no reason to push, look at Neubauer for example, he is fighting there for PC points, but he is first PC driver on the road and he is fighting against guys starting 20 min(!!!!) after him, they have much cleaner road and better knowlege....it is useless and i am sure this is the last time for him to burn his money for such an event... ;(
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 07:38
Such things sometimes happen. Hänninen lost victory in Jänner in 2012 for exactly the same reason when there was a lot of fresh snow overnight...
EDIT: Lappi back in the lead but again just by few seconds. Great battle!
WRC1
2nd February 2014, 07:42
Such things sometimes happen. Hänninen lost victory in Jänner in 2012 for exactly the same reason when there was a lot of fresh snow overnight...
juho was on wrong tires! and the guys he was fighting where right behind him...2/4 and 6 minutes...and not half an hour...
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 07:45
juho was on wrong tires! and the guys he was fighting where right behind him...2/4 and 6 minutes...and not half an hour...
No, he was on wrong tyres only in first loop. I speak about second leg ;) But you are right his competitors were just behind him. Here it's a matter of rules where only priority drivers start reversed...
Kalm
2nd February 2014, 07:47
Oh, I see:
Unfortunately Plangi was 16-minutes late at TC6F and has been excluded for being over maximum lateness - Clerk of Course Decision No. 6
Reason of being late : They just set the alarm clock at the wrong time to wake them up in the morning...
Rally Talent
2nd February 2014, 07:54
Positively surprised by the speed of Gryazin who seems to be pushing 110%, but there's no question who's controlling the rally. It would have been nice to have Mr Bouffier in the game a little bit longer and see what the psychological impact of great Monte success has been to him. Maybe he got a little bit too excited yesterday...
WUff1
2nd February 2014, 07:58
very very dissapointing rallye for people in first starting positions....there is absolutly no reason to push, look at Neubauer for example, he is fighting there for PC points, but he is first PC driver on the road and he is fighting against guys starting 20 min(!!!!) after him, they have much cleaner road and better knowlege....it is useless and i am sure this is the last time for him to burn his money for such an event... ;(
Good statement. The same is probably true of drivers like Tarabus, Consani, S. Tempestini and some others. Don´t think we will see them at Liepaja again.
Even Kajto seems to fight with conditions/tyres etc. - i´d rate him faster in other conditions.
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 08:04
Steve Rokland crashed out of fight for JERC...
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 09:22
Tarabus off road, Tamrazov stopped too.
WUff1
2nd February 2014, 09:27
Tarabus listed as out
Small comfort for him: he didn´t loose much this time.
Kalm
2nd February 2014, 09:37
wow, Lappi :eek: , waiting for a onboard from that stage :)
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 09:38
With a spin :)
RS
2nd February 2014, 09:43
I guess Lappi has this one in the bag now.
I agree with RallyTalent, it's a great shame about Bouffier. I hope he and chicken-man are charged by stage mileage.
HarriK
2nd February 2014, 09:47
Yep lappi took too late brake to this stage 18km left junction. Lost 5sec in that.
One mitsu also out at 2,2km.
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 09:47
Plenty of crashes, offs and problems in this stage. Now also Lefevbre out with a fire of his car :(
For Tarabus it was broken top suspension mounting point.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1509042_702907813086602_694129850_n.jpg
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 09:54
And by the way ?erný smashed Immonen in SS9 by a crazy time!
garais22
2nd February 2014, 10:04
Live NEWS, latest CRASH PHOTOS from Rally Liep?ja http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/erc/3025 ... y-liepaja/ (http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/erc/3025-pec-pirma-atrumposma-vadiba-grjazins-teksta-tiesraide-no-rally-liepaja/)
Jarek Z
2nd February 2014, 11:25
I don't agree with You. Even when You speak about football world championship the majority of teams play very terrible game compared to several top ones.
I don't agree with you. I haven't seen a game where the best team wins 11-0 with another team. And 11 minutes is the difference between Lappi and Consani now. Nobody in European Championship in football plays such terrible game as Consani :)
You can compare ERC with WRC. The level of WRC competitors is higher than the level of ERC ones but that one is still higher than the one of WRC supporter championships. That's how it is. The second league is never better than the first league. Even in football.
Of course the second league can be better than the first league! Can't you see that the level of European Championship in football is higher than in the World Cup? All the best teams come from Europe!
And the same should be possible in rallying. All the best teams, manufacturers and drivers come from Europe too. But of course it will never happen.
Jarek Z
2nd February 2014, 11:28
Thats the problem, I'm not a spectator, not in the usual sense of word, I'm a few times Latvian champion, and I know this wasn't good enough, but you can think what you want!
I suspected that you were someone else than a typical spectator, because your comments sounded professional. I used your example to present a spectator's point of view though. I hope you don't mind :)
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 11:35
Orsák out, engine
WUff1
2nd February 2014, 11:38
Orsák out, engine
That´s bad - he was the fastest of midfield-S2000-drivers of yesterday and did a good race the more the longer the rally - maybe he could have even reached top ten.
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 11:40
Gryazhin with only four gears now. Breen without working rear-axle releasing clutch for handbrake.
Jarek Z
2nd February 2014, 11:44
Gryazhin with only four gears now. Breen without working rear-axle releasing clutch for handbrake.
When you consider all Gryazin's gearbox problems it's amazing that he is still in a comfortable second position!
Pity for Orsak!
Kalm
2nd February 2014, 11:50
Gryazhin with only four gears now.
I understood that he only have fourth, not four :) really hoping they can get it sorted out and reach that deserved podium :)
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 12:40
Pushkar driving with broken wheel
http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... -WITH-3%3F (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/15/id/332/t/ERC-LATVIA-WHY-DO-I-NEED-4-WHEELS-IF-I-CAN-DO-IT-WITH-3%3F)!
Kajetanowicz on SS8
http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... NOWICZ-SS8 (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/15/id/334/t/ERC-LATVIA-KAJETANOWICZ-SS8)
stefanvv
2nd February 2014, 12:56
Pushkar driving with broken wheel
http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... -WITH-3%3F (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/15/id/332/t/ERC-LATVIA-WHY-DO-I-NEED-4-WHEELS-IF-I-CAN-DO-IT-WITH-3%3F)!
It's amazing the wheel stayed attached to the suspension and allowed him to finish the stage. Reminds of Rally cars years ago
LVrainman
2nd February 2014, 13:05
they changed the gearbox on Gryazyn's car before last SS :)
stefanvv
2nd February 2014, 13:07
they changed the gearbox on Gryazyn's car before last SS :)
This must be his 3rd gearbox this Rally, right?
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 13:09
No, second. Also it's not allowed to have three for priority drivers (if I'm not mistaken).
EDIT: Tamrazov out, technical problem.
LVrainman
2nd February 2014, 13:10
probably, if they changed yesterday aswell then third, yes, if they didn't change yesterday then second.
stefanvv
2nd February 2014, 13:11
No, second. Also it's not allowed to have three for priority drivers (if I'm not mistaken).
Aha, thanks. Yesterday he had problems, did they tried to repair it somehow, or he just started today with broken?
bluuford
2nd February 2014, 13:21
Huge number of engine related problems in this event. Toomuch time on rev-limiter? or too mucj snow in radiators?
LVrainman
2nd February 2014, 13:27
check out the times for SS9 and SS12. they are ~45 seconds faster the second time :eek:
Sulland
2nd February 2014, 13:30
What can we read in to this result list, where The S2000 cars are dominant.
Are they competitive vs R5 and RRC, or are the R5 drivers not good enough for this rally?
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 13:31
... and Lappi won in a big style! Anyway also biiig congratulations to Gryazhin. I didn't expect him to be so fast.
EDIT: Now also Raul Jeets with water temperature problems. All Fiesta R5 except works one of Kajetanowicz with same problem...
RS
2nd February 2014, 13:34
Congratulations to Lappi for perfect job to start the season, Gryazin for an amazing and unexpected second and Breen for a podium on his last event with the 207. From his recent comments I think Breen can't wait to get his hands on the 208 R5, it will be interesting to see if it is fast enough and reliable enough to take on the Fabia S2000.
Also thumbs up for an impressive drive for Jan Cerny.
RS
2nd February 2014, 13:36
What can we read in to this result list, where The S2000 cars are dominant.
Not much yet I don't think. This was probably THE rally of the season you would expect Lappi to win, and the only good level driver with an R5 was Kajetanowicz.
stefanvv
2nd February 2014, 13:46
What can we read in to this result list, where The S2000 cars are dominant.
...the only good level driver with an R5 was Kajetanowicz.
who was learning to drive with such tyres and conditions.
Congratulations to Lappi, win with style indeed, Gryazin is the hero of the Rally though, with mechanical problems still seconds - a dream result. I think I can distinguish also Wiegand - when he was not cleaning the road, he was fast, may be this year we'll see some progress from him :confused:
HarriK
2nd February 2014, 13:48
Kajetanowics almost crashed at last stage finish line!
He jumped out of road!
stefanvv
2nd February 2014, 13:49
All Fiesta R5 except works one of Kajetanowicz with same problem...
I guess that is serious flaw in the design of Fiesta R5, for drivers who like to "stick their nose" in the snow banks, I don't think Kajetanovich did that, he was just driving safely this Rally.
RS
2nd February 2014, 13:51
EDIT: Now also Raul Jeets with water temperature problems. All Fiesta R5 except works one of Kajetanowicz with same problem...
Sweden could be interesting then!
dimviii
2nd February 2014, 13:53
Cerny very impressive pace for these conditions!
Tom206wrc
2nd February 2014, 14:09
And by the way ?erný smashed Immonen in SS9 by a crazy time!
And C2 is really "old"...put Risto Immonen in a 208 and imagine his pace :eek:
Karbonyl
2nd February 2014, 14:33
It's amazing the wheel stayed attached to the suspension and allowed him to finish the stage. Reminds of Rally cars years agoActually if he went like this up to the service, it's an infringement of the FIA RRR (Art. 20.1.5). But if nobody complains... :)
This must be his 3rd gearbox this Rally, right?No, it's second, they didn't change it finally on Saturday evening's service.
And C2 is really "old"...put Risto Immonen in a 208 and imagine his pace :eek:The performance difference between 208 and C2 Max is not so big as it is ussualy heard and especially not on surface like this in Latvia.
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 15:13
By the way out of 12 stages we have these winners: Lappi 7, Gryazhin 2, Bouffier 1, Plangi 1, Wiegand 1
garais22
2nd February 2014, 15:14
PHOTO GALLERY from today stages http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/rallijs ... a-2-diena/ (http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/rallijs/704-rally-liepaja-2-diena/)
RS
2nd February 2014, 16:29
Short wrap up video including the reason for Tarabus' suspension failure: http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... -THE-RALLY (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/15/id/336/t/ERC-LATVIA-END-OF-THE-RALLY)
Fast Eddie WRC
2nd February 2014, 17:05
So the end of an era for the venerable old Pug 207 S2000 ... its been outclassed for a while but always kept the likes of Breen in with a chance against the newer machinery... :)
Fairwell and thanks !
http://www.craigbreen.com/images/news/full_Leg-1-Latvia-News-Pic.jpg
Onwards and upwards with the 208T16... cant wait ! :bounce:
http://www.craigbreen.com/images/gallery/full_208-T16-June-2013-Tarmac-Test-(10).jpg
RICARDO75
2nd February 2014, 17:05
Standings
ERC
1º Robert Kubica and Esapekka Lappi (39)
3º Vasily Griazin (37)
4º Vaclav Pech Jr. (30)
5º Craig Breen (25)
6º Raimund Baumschlager (24)
7º Beppo Harrach (20)
8º Kajetan Kajetanowicz (19)
9º Jaromir Tarabus and Sepp Wiegand (17)
ERC Production Cup
1º Beppo Harrach (39)
2º J?nis Vorobjovs (36)
3º Hermann Neubauer and Vitaliy Pushcar (27)
5º Ernst Haneder (25)
6º Stanislav Tranikov (24)
7º Mario Klepatsch and Martynas Samuitis (19)
9º Kornél Lukács (16)
10º Martin Hudec (12)
ERC 2WD Cup
1º Michael Böhm and Jan ?erný (39)
3º Risto Immonen (30)
4º Josef Petàk (28)
5º Julius Tannert (23)
6º Petter Kristiansen (22)
7º Wolf?Dieter Ihle and Matias Olsson (18)
9º Ralfs Sirmacis (17)
10º Lukáš Pond?lí?ek (12)
ERC Junior
1º Jan ?erný (25)
2º Risto Immonen (18)
3º Petter Kristiansen (15)
4º Matias Olsson (12)
5º Andrea Crugnola (10)
6º Aleksander Zawada (8)
7º Jean-Matthieu Leandri (6)
8º Chris Ingram (4)
9º Fabrizio Andolfi (2)
ERC Ladies Cup
1º Inessa Tushkanova and Martina Danhelovà (3)
3º Ekaterina Stratieva (2)
ERC Ice Master
1º Robert Kubica (122)
2º Vaclav Pech Jr. (110)
3º Esapekka Lappi (83)
4º Raimund Baumschlager (68)
5º Kajetan Kajetanowicz (59)
6º Vasily Gryasin (57)
7º Beppo Harrach (44)
8º Craig Breen (35)
9º Sepp Wiegand (30)
10º Jaromir Tarabus (22)
11º Siim Plangi (20)
12º Andreas Aigner (11)
13º Bryan Bouffier (10)
14º Kristaps Feldmanis (4)
15º Petter Kristiansen (2)
16º Steve Røkland, J?nis Vorobjovs and Raul Jeets (1)
giù tutto!
2nd February 2014, 17:27
Lappi did what he was supposed to do. I think he was surprised about Gryazin's pace also. For sure the driver of the rally is the young Russian. Very curious to see his pace on next events.
I'm a little bit surprised about the attitude that no sense to drive a rally like this 'cause the conditions are not the same for everyone. C'mon, that's part of rally! I guess there was a chance for everyone to do their best at qualifying stage and thereby had a chance to do something with their starting position. Playing tactics and using the brains is part of rally also. Winners find a way, losers find excuses.
Very impressed about Cerny! He knocked out the northern boys on their familiar surface. It won't be easy for them to try to beat Cerny on tarmac. The concept of the Junior ERC looks working well, good set of fast young drivers from different countries and different cars. What else can you want?
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 17:40
Full stage onboard of Simone Tempestini from SS10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM2d7NLm28k
And a nice short clip from local TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Eg3SIoY1A
garais22
2nd February 2014, 17:54
FULL PHOTO GALLERY from today + podium http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/rallijs ... a-2-diena/ (http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/rallijs/704-rally-liepaja-2-diena/)
Rallyper
2nd February 2014, 19:38
Lappi has showed he´s a coming driver. Not layed back as some of us thought he´d be after contract with Skoda. He impressed very much. Next year we want him in WRC.
dimviii
2nd February 2014, 19:50
Lappi has showed he´s a coming driver. Not layed back as some of us thought he´d be after contract with Skoda. He impressed very much. Next year we want him in WRC.
so if somebody won against Gryazin is ready for wrc? stay calm. :D
RS
2nd February 2014, 19:55
Lappi has showed he´s a coming driver. Not layed back as some of us thought he´d be after contract with Skoda. He impressed very much. Next year we want him in WRC.
Slow down :D
But yes, what I liked about him is that he also seemed enthusiastic and happy this weekend. As has been said, this was the event he would have been expected to win. Let's see how he does on the other events, but I think he is probably favourite for the title as he will have the support to do it and a reliable and fast car (unless the 208 is something amazing)
He is in a good place to improve his tarmac skills. ERC champion this year, WRC with Fabia R5 in 2015 and then maybe promotion to VW sounds like a plan to me ;)
RS
2nd February 2014, 20:01
Skoda onboards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zGenQTa ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zGenQTawVA&feature=youtu.be)
sindroms
2nd February 2014, 20:14
Bouffier's failure - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsmlbaKMb8
Jarek Z
2nd February 2014, 20:33
Lappi has showed he´s a coming driver. Not layed back as some of us thought he´d be after contract with Skoda. He impressed very much. Next year we want him in WRC.
Slow down :D
But yes, what I liked about him is that he also seemed enthusiastic and happy this weekend. As has been said, this was the event he would have been expected to win. Let's see how he does on the other events, but I think he is probably favourite for the title as he will have the support to do it and a reliable and fast car (unless the 208 is something amazing)
Yes, I also think that Lappi is main candidate for the title, but his success depends on two factors:
1) how good 208 R5 is
2) how good is the chicken business this year (is Bouffier in or out of the championship?) :)
dimviii
2nd February 2014, 20:41
broken fywheel for Orsak.
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 20:43
Interesting, that hasn't happened on Fabia since one bad batch from 2010 I think (or at least I haven't heard about it since then).
Gryazhin receives Colin McRae Flat Out Trophy.
bluuford
2nd February 2014, 21:33
I am wondering.. is it the same Gryazin I have seen driving on Estonian roads? Tooking sometimes strange lines, often going veery wide etc. There are three possibilities:
a) he has improved a lot
b) Lappi and all others are actually really slow drivers
c) He has a fast twin brother :-)
btw. He was 6th in Rally Estonia 2013, just behind Timmu Kõrge..who was driving Evo9..
RICARDO75
2nd February 2014, 21:37
nice video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHcfrC80VxE&feature=em-uploademail
RS
2nd February 2014, 21:43
2) how good is the chicken business this year (is Bouffier in or out of the championship?) :)
If he can do enough events Bouffier can win the title (if he doesn't hit any more hay bails)... I have a feeling that ERC title could be his aim this year, he said "it would have been better to have started on Janner" which I took as a hint he is not just aiming for one or two events here and there.
Rallyper
2nd February 2014, 21:48
Lappi has showed he´s a coming driver. Not layed back as some of us thought he´d be after contract with Skoda. He impressed very much. Next year we want him in WRC.
so if somebody won against Gryazin is ready for wrc? stay calm. :D
I can stay calm. No problem. But that was what we discussed Lappi was to. Too calm. Now he was driving 100% until finish line, with a very good stagetime even when his rally was won stages before.
I´m sure his efforts brings him to WRC as well.
RS
2nd February 2014, 21:50
I am wondering.. is it the same Gryazin I have seen driving on Estonian roads? Tooking sometimes strange lines, often going veery wide etc. There are three possibilities:
a) he has improved a lot
b) Lappi and all others are actually really slow drivers
c) He has a fast twin brother :-)
btw. He was 6th in Rally Estonia 2013, just behind Timmu Kõrge..who was driving Evo9..
Well he was a lot quicker here than Korge, whilst Korge lasted.
One more thing to consider; Gryazin was on Pireli tyres and most top crews were on Michelin. Could this have helped?
RICARDO75
2nd February 2014, 22:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Y_d25lbN8&feature=em-uploademail
KKSF
2nd February 2014, 22:23
Action.
KKSF HD video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Y_d25lbN8
bluuford
2nd February 2014, 22:40
The end of the video is Epic!
And on Gryazin thing.. to make things even more complicated.. Kõrge was running on Hankook tyres and it seems these are not so good on soft-fresh snow.
COD
2nd February 2014, 22:42
Lappi has showed he´s a coming driver. Not layed back as some of us thought he´d be after contract with Skoda. He impressed very much. Next year we want him in WRC.
so if somebody won against Gryazin is ready for wrc? stay calm. :D
Did enough to win the event, what else is needed? That is the way to win a championship, you need to win just by 1sec, not 10min. And I was under the inpression that road conditions on day 1 played a huge part
COD
2nd February 2014, 22:49
Action.
KKSF HD video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Y_d25lbN8
Nice video. But looking at those images makes me sad that they have this rally a the "snow event" instead of a proper winter rally like Arctic rally
noel157
2nd February 2014, 22:55
Lappi has showed he´s a coming driver. Not layed back as some of us thought he´d be after contract with Skoda. He impressed very much. Next year we want him in WRC.
Slow down :D
But yes, what I liked about him is that he also seemed enthusiastic and happy this weekend. As has been said, this was the event he would have been expected to win. Let's see how he does on the other events, but I think he is probably favourite for the title as he will have the support to do it and a reliable and fast car (unless the 208 is something amazing)
Yes, I also think that Lappi is main candidate for the title, but his success depends on two factors:
1) how good 208 R5 is
2) how good is the chicken business this year (is Bouffier in or out of the championship?) :)
3rd factor is if 208 drivers are good too. Breen I'm not sure about but hopefully will get better, Bouffier will be very good if, as you say, he gets the opportunity/budget and maybe one or two other drivers will be able to make a difference too in customer/PH/etc 208s.
Jarek Z
2nd February 2014, 22:56
If he can do enough events Bouffier can win the title (if he doesn't hit any more hay bails)... I have a feeling that ERC title could be his aim this year, he said "it would have been better to have started on Janner" which I took as a hint he is not just aiming for one or two events here and there.
I also think that Bouffier can win the title. I'm starting eating chickens from tomorrow morning ;)
noel157
2nd February 2014, 23:03
Action.
KKSF HD video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Y_d25lbN8
Was waiting for somebody to go over the edge......
Great video,
dimviii
2nd February 2014, 23:04
Lappi has showed he´s a coming driver. Not layed back as some of us thought he´d be after contract with Skoda. He impressed very much. Next year we want him in WRC.
so if somebody won against Gryazin is ready for wrc? stay calm. :D
Did enough to win the event, what else is needed? That is the way to win a championship, you need to win just by 1sec, not 10min. And I was under the inpression that road conditions on day 1 played a huge part
read again.
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 23:48
Action.
KKSF HD video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Y_d25lbN8
Very nice!
Nice video. But looking at those images makes me sad that they have this rally a the "snow event" instead of a proper winter rally like Arctic rally
If I recall there were some negotiations between organizers of Arctic and Eurosport few years back but after all the Finns were not interested. Something in my head tells me it was because they wanted to keep WRC cars in and also because of the Pirelli-only deal for FRC...
Mirek
2nd February 2014, 23:50
I am wondering.. is it the same Gryazin I have seen driving on Estonian roads? Tooking sometimes strange lines, often going veery wide etc. There are three possibilities:
a) he has improved a lot
b) Lappi and all others are actually really slow drivers
c) He has a fast twin brother :-)
btw. He was 6th in Rally Estonia 2013, just behind Timmu Kõrge..who was driving Evo9..
He is still very young so a big progress is possible. Also this rally is rather specific and there are plenty of drivers who are superfast once per season but hardly anywhere else. We will see next time.
tolis
3rd February 2014, 00:41
It's nice to see so many different nationalities in top 10 of the rally! Another interesting tip is that Lappi has started in 5 ERC rallies and has 3 wins (Liepaja 2014, Switzerland 2013, Poland 2012), 1 second place (San Remo 2013) and 1 accident (Barum 2013)!
COD
3rd February 2014, 00:58
Action.
KKSF HD video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Y_d25lbN8
Very nice!
Nice video. But looking at those images makes me sad that they have this rally a the "snow event" instead of a proper winter rally like Arctic rally
If I recall there were some negotiations between organizers of Arctic and Eurosport few years back but after all the Finns were not interested. Something in my head tells me it was because they wanted to keep WRC cars in and also because of the Pirelli-only deal for FRC...
No Pirelli deal anymore + some changees inthe management of ASN (not enough though). So it might b possible now...
COD
3rd February 2014, 01:00
so if somebody won against Gryazin is ready for wrc? stay calm. :D
Did enough to win the event, what else is needed? That is the way to win a championship, you need to win just by 1sec, not 10min. And I was under the inpression that road conditions on day 1 played a huge part[/quote]
read again.[/quote]
It doesn't prove he is WRC material I agree, but shows maturity not to push too much but just to do enough to guarantee maximum points
CameraMan
3rd February 2014, 08:06
Few videos:
17. Marco Tempestini & Lucio Baggio mistake SS 1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=634375659933663&saved)
2014 Rally Liepaja | Free practice & Qualifying stage (http://www.rally-video.eu/2014-rally-liepaja-free-practice-qualifying-stage/)
2014 Rally Liepaja | R. Kvaraciejus before start (http://www.rally-video.eu/2014-rally-liepaja-r-kvaraciejus-start/)
V. Svedas | Qualifying stage (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=633891879982041&set=vb.325827947455104&type=3&theater)
also longer video will be uploaded tonight, will post link here
;)
Mirek
3rd February 2014, 11:52
Video of juniors including fire of Lefevbre and a big crash of Van Dijne
http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... -THE-RALLY (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/15/id/344/t/ERC-LATVIA-JUNIOR-CHAMPIONSHIP-AT-THE-END-OF-THE-RALLY)
Wim_Impreza
3rd February 2014, 13:01
It's nice to see so many different nationalities in top 10 of the rally! Another interesting tip is that Lappi has started in 5 ERC rallies and has 3 wins (Liepaja 2014, Switzerland 2013, Poland 2012), 1 second place (San Remo 2013) and 1 accident (Barum 2013)!
I completely agree.
Rally Liepaja was again a nice event and I think the next ERC event will be great too. :)
mousti
3rd February 2014, 16:37
Lot of mistakes in this video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHd0TuXP6QI
CameraMan
3rd February 2014, 19:02
Photo gallery: http://www.fotovaldas.com/erc-rally-liepaja-2014/
Mirek
4th February 2014, 11:31
Kajto going off directly at the flying finish of the last stage (plus one moment before)
http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... VEN-BEYOND (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/15/id/346/t/ERC-LATVIA-STAY-FOCUSED-UNTIL-THE-END...AND-EVEN-BEYOND)
And some ups...
http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... -IN-ACTION (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/15/id/345/t/ERC-LATVIA-STUNTMEN-IN-ACTION)
CameraMan
4th February 2014, 14:00
R. Kvaraciejus review: http://www.rally-video.eu/2014-rally-li ... araciejus/ (http://www.rally-video.eu/2014-rally-liepaja-rokas-kvaraciejus/)
KKS
4th February 2014, 21:03
nice video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHcfrC80VxE&feature=em-uploademail
Great video! A lot of gr.N cars! Awesome!
Tnx 4 sharing :bounce:
faateris
4th February 2014, 21:44
photos - http://www.janisasaris.com/jaunumi/
JA
CameraMan
4th February 2014, 22:17
Five minutes and 30 sec. of action: http://www.rally-video.eu/2014-erc-rally-liepaja/
PLuto
4th February 2014, 22:53
I am wondering.. is it the same Gryazin I have seen driving on Estonian roads? Tooking sometimes strange lines, often going veery wide etc. There are three possibilities:
a) he has improved a lot
b) Lappi and all others are actually really slow drivers
c) He has a fast twin brother :-)
btw. He was 6th in Rally Estonia 2013, just behind Timmu Kõrge..who was driving Evo9..
Well he was a lot quicker here than Korge, whilst Korge lasted.
One more thing to consider; Gryazin was on Pireli tyres and most top crews were on Michelin. Could this have helped?
I have seen Gryazin on fast part of one stage. It has nothing to do with tyres, in that time (second leg) him and Lappi were driving much more precisely and faster than other drivers...
martini2771
4th February 2014, 23:13
One more sweet video from Liep?ja 2014:
http://motorsunsports.lv/video/erc-rally-liepaja-2014
;)
RS
5th February 2014, 09:08
I have seen Gryazin on fast part of one stage. It has nothing to do with tyres, in that time (second leg) him and Lappi were driving much more precisely and faster than other drivers...
Cool, he is doing an excellent job considering he is driving for a private team. I thought he was pretty respectable on Janner too, will be interesting to see if he keeps developing this year.
Did he have a "long" gearbox in Latvia? I know at one stage he was running a short one which was clearly not ideal.
Mirek
5th February 2014, 09:38
He was with short gearbox all the time.
By the way great photos from David Je?ábek
http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/fotogale ... 9&autor=57 (http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/fotogalerie.php?id=84&id=1169&autor=57)
edgars944
5th February 2014, 11:31
Photos ERC Rally Liepaja 2014:
http://motorsunsports.lv/foto/2014/Rally-Liepaja-2014-Edgars-Leonovs
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1689005_658727630852072_443805236_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1560603_658727497518752_760746799_n.jpg
RICARDO75
6th February 2014, 01:06
motors & sports
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpdlGnFsZXU&feature=em-uploademail
Eurosport inside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc-BuFGUXH8&feature=em-uploademail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lngeAn18t-E
RS
9th February 2014, 19:21
Eurosport inside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc-BuFGUXH8&feature=em-uploademail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lngeAn18t-E
Thanks, I missed them on the tv. Some nice footage I hadn't seen before including of the juniors.
Nowi
10th February 2014, 20:30
My photogallery from Rallye Liepaja 2014 at http://www.rallylife.cz/erc-rallye-liepaja-2014-nowi :)
GL Media Pro
14th February 2014, 21:07
Online Video "Inside the victory in Ladies Trophy of Inessa Tushkanova at Rally Liep?ja 2014".
http://tushkanova.glmediapro.tv/video.p ... &video=334 (http://tushkanova.glmediapro.tv/video.php?gara=90&video=334)
Mirek
18th February 2014, 11:43
Video of Jan ?erný
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHajXArRHko
Plhus
20th February 2014, 20:28
My photogallery from Rallye Liepaja 2014:
http://www.src.czechrallyeweb.net/pages/liepaja2014.htm
robyworks
21st February 2014, 06:57
ERC rally Liepaja 2014 - city Liepaja official videoclip about rally - http://youtu.be/IJulTSm6KJc
Mirek
3rd March 2014, 15:10
Nice video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3L-PlIIA8
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