Wales Rally GB 2013

[wwbroe]

Shouldn't stage 14 be live now, not much split times on wrc.com :(

[dimviii]

Shouldn't stage 14 be live now, not much split times on wrc.com :(

very strange! :D

[PLuto]

Shouldn't stage 14 be live now, not much split times on wrc.com :(

Not only split times, but also no times...

[wwbroe]

Great time by JML, coming back to just 17 sec in overall standings, Neuville has to watch out for Mikkelsen.

[PLuto]

Hearing the timing issues afflicting everyone have been caused by S1T rolling the Freelander that provides feed.

[A FONDO]

Did Evans really lose that much time? Where is Ketoma?

[txl]

Robert was more precise today

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZMWcvUCYAAc2zG.jpg:large
This picture is from yesterday. Same as:
https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q73/s720x720/1451340_554484001298326_933458873_n.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Former Premier League footballer Jimmy Bullard fears the worst as BT Sports Panel send him rally driving, with hilarious results...

Great watch as Jimmy is taken out by Elfyn Evans: :D

http://t.co/yFisKzxtoP

http://www.qatarmsportwrt.com/media/k2/items/cache/52ec984cc72302fd412e2aa145a6526c_M.jpg

[Bartek]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5rL75sp0W6k/Uodp5g1pi0I/AAAAAAAAMYA/1jBg66ImrWU/s400/wy.jpg

Find Citroen

Robert said that this crash was caused by the error in relation between him and his co-driver. In place where they should brake he had full gas....

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZM1LnyCYAAgvew.jpg

[bassist]

Former Premier League footballer Jimmy Bullard fears the worst as BT Sports Panel send him rally driving, with hilarious results...

Great watch as Jimmy is taken out by Elfyn Evans: :D

http://t.co/yFisKzxtoP

http://www.qatarmsportwrt.com/media/k2/items/cache/52ec984cc72302fd412e2aa145a6526c_M.jpg


Show that to Mr Average Joe Public as an insight into Rallying. great footage- nice one Jimmy!

[A FONDO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... teewHEhgX4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LteewHEhgX4)

see the helicopter footage, it is completely different than the overpraised eurosport crap.

[RS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LteewHEhgX4


Nice leaving present Mikko gave Citroen there :laugh:

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LteewHEhgX4

see the helicopter footage, it is completely different than the overpraised eurosport crap.

Great heli footage indeed :bounce:

[mousti]

Latvala on the limit and attacking!

http://youtu.be/1xriTAYF4jY

[Mirek]

Great heli footage indeed :bounce:

That's advantage of no dust. When there is a dust the helicopter cannot fly behind the car because there is nothing to see and also the engines can suck dust which can be dangerous.

[Andre Oliveira]

Quite impressive the rally of Tom Cave

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Photographers getting too close ? Going to be a nasty accident one of these days.. :disturb:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZNLgR8CAAAroS1.jpg:large

[PLuto]

Photographers getting too close ? Going to be a nasty accident one of these days.. :disturb:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZNLgR8CAAAroS1.jpg:large

Dont be afraid, there is a tree between rally car and photographers ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Novik-off .. :rolleyes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZNRWyYIcAAMOvc.jpg:large

[mousti]

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 9235_n.jpg (https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1393580_716102658418844_804859235_n.jpg)

Kubica..

[Rallyper]

Seems as not a heavy one. Maybe restart for Robert tomorrow?

[HarriK]

Seems as not a heavy one. Maybe restart for Robert tomorrow?

I don't think so...

[HarriK]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZNffY9IYAAiCJZ.jpg:large

[bluuford]

Crash nr 6 for Novikov in 2013?...not good for his CV. he has completely lost it..

[tommeke_B]

Crash nr 6 for Novikov in 2013?...not good for his CV. he has completely lost it..
What's the use of a CV for a paying driver?

[KKS]

What happens to Higgins, Ketomaa, Evans on stage 14? Loose so much time compare to Cave.

[KKS]

And what happen on SS15 many drivers have a 2:00.0 time

[PLuto]

What happens to Higgins, Ketomaa, Evans on stage 14? Loose so much time compare to Cave.

Evans and Ketomaa were faster than Cave. And Ketomaa lost only six seconds. Are you really talking about SS 14 (http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally-great-britain-2013/?ssId=2125)?

[PLuto]

And what happen on SS15 many drivers have a 2:00.0 time

Which results are you following? SS 15 was interrupted because of spectators and other crews obtain notional times (correct results HERE (http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally-great-britain-2013/?ssId=2126))

[HarriK]

Kubica incar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dANFiyLk9Bk

[eib1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZNtULyCAAAExP9.jpg:large

[KKS]

Ohhhh this EWRC going me crazy ))))) http://ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=6 ... ly-GB-2013 (http://ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=6543&s=50767&ct=212&t=Wales-Rally-GB-2013)

Tnx PLuto

[janvanvurpa]

Photographers getting too close ? Going to be a nasty accident one of these days.. :disturb:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZNLgR8CAAAroS1.jpg:large

Dont be afraid, there is a tree between rally car and photographers ;)

And they have their Magic Vests on..

Besides, there are plenty more photographers and they know if they fall in the struggle, another will fill the gap.
"Once more into breach!"

[A FONDO]

:bounce: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoJVnGX6Xmk :bounce:

[A FONDO]

http://www.almrally.ru/gallery_card.php?g=310043

[Fast Eddie WRC]

:bounce: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoJVnGX6Xmk :bounce:

Great pure sound video - thanks !

Amazing speed and commitment from those guys - I cant even match that on a video game... incredible. :crazy:

[Jafry]

Photos from Saturday HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1216

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Group B cars at Chirk today... memories of 1983-86 for me, when rallying was king :champion: ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZMhInSIAAAqTBZ.jpg:large

This little clip shows how popular the stage was at Chirk... maybe rally can be king again ! :)

http://t.co/laFOid5F2y

[PLuto]

Start list for tomorrow - http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally- ... TypeId=400 (http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally-great-britain-2013/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=400)

[focus206]

Kubica incar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dANFiyLk9Bk
I believe the codriver said "left 3" and then corrected himself saying "right 3 fast", that's the moment in which Kubica crashes.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Another pic from Chirk showing the crowds...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZM_JNYIgAAo4nF.jpg:large

The place was chaotic due to huge crowds and poor organisation but at least it showed rallying is still popular in the UK despite 10 years of not having a top driver at WRC level ...

Bit of a crappy video but shows the drivers took this 'Mickey Mouse' stage with full commitment :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb9ENqjP ... youtu.be&a (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb9ENqjP5aI&feature=youtu.be&a)

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIjlRGnGLtk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7mPN0TRyJ0

[RS]

Mikkelsen was fastest over leg 3.

Anyone know something about Phillip Morrow? Some great times with a crappy N4 car today.

[dimviii]

watch video stages 14-16,some nice passes
http://www.wrc.com/video/

[Mirek]

I believe the codriver said "left 3" and then corrected himself saying "right 3 fast", that's the moment in which Kubica crashes.

I don't speak Italian except few single words but he sure said first sinistra (left) and quickly changed to destra (right). Looks like he could really confuse Kubica by that.

[AndyRAC]

Another pic from Chirk showing the crowds...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZM_JNYIgAAo4nF.jpg:large

The place was chaotic due to huge crowds and poor organisation but at least it showed rallying is still popular in the UK despite 10 years of not having a top driver at WRC level ...

Bit of a crappy video but shows the drivers took this 'Mickey Mouse' stage with full commitment :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb9ENqjP ... youtu.be&a (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb9ENqjP5aI&feature=youtu.be&a)

The crowds have been pretty impressive - however, it's still not popular enough to get any mainstream TV/ newspaper coverage.

I was in Dyfi today and saw it happen, it looked like Kubica was going too fast, got sideways on the greasy surface, and off down a Welsh hillside. I'm not surprised he's not driving tomorrow - they'll have a job getting the car out. I think Citroen have let Robert down; first time in GB, first time in a WRCar, and first event with a new co-driver; hardly a recipe for success, is it?

[tommeke_B]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHfIRJ3T ... ploademail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHfIRJ3TSbc&feature=em-uploademail)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The crowds have been pretty impressive - however, it's still not popular enough to get any mainstream TV/ newspaper coverage.


Its been a big success and thanks in no small part to the social media 'coverage' which has taken the place of press and TV... Twitter in particular has been amazing.

But it will never get really huge until we have a British driver in a top team going for a win...

Over to you Elfyn.. ;)

[focus206]

I believe the codriver said "left 3" and then corrected himself saying "right 3 fast", that's the moment in which Kubica crashes.

I don't speak Italian except few single words but he sure said first sinistra (left) and quickly changed to destra (right). Looks like he could really confuse Kubica by that.
yes, that's what I meant :)

[er88]

Have been a regular guest on here for a while but thought it was about time to register. Having been out on the stages the past the few days, i have to say theres been a huge noticeable buzz back about the event and a good atmosphere on the stages. Credit to the organisers for finally making some much needed 'positive' changes to halt the decline of this rally. Theres still alot of work to do to try get the rally back to anything near its hayday but its been very enjoyable. Gutted that i have to travel back upto scotland tonight and miss the final day of action :(

[danon]

First WRC event - Italian co-driver speaking Italian pacenotes to a polish guy in a french team!!!

I am pretty sure any other polish co-driver would've take him to the final. At least.

Money-mix, money-makes, money-takes!

[AndyRAC]

The crowds have been pretty impressive - however, it's still not popular enough to get any mainstream TV/ newspaper coverage.


Its been a big success and thanks in no small part to the social media 'coverage' which has taken the place of press and TV... Twitter in particular has been amazing.

But it will never get really huge until we have a British driver in a top team going for a win...

Over to you Elfyn.. ;)

I agree about it being a success - but there is still lots to be done, they can't rest on their laurels. I think some of the British journalists have been getting carried away.

[Mirek]

First WRC event - Italian co-driver speaking Italian pacenotes to a polish guy in a french team!!!

I am pretty sure any other polish co-driver would've take him to the final. At least.

Money-mix, money-makes, money-takes!

You have no idea what you are speaking about. Robert has been living in Italy for many years. He speaks fluently Italian and he did rallies with Italian co-drivers in the past (Emanuele Inglesi and Giuliano Manfredi).

[danon]

Yet Italian isn't his native language, is it...

[A FONDO]

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 928&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.750711484944676.1073741846.100000174944928&type=3)

[er88]

Great times today from Mikkelsen. I expect him to be at a similar pace next year to what Neuville has been going at this year. Without being spectacular mikkelsen has had a better, more consistent first full season in the wrc compared to what Neuville had in 2012 - and look where thierry is now

[PLuto]

Yet Italian isn't his native language, is it...

There is lot of drivers which are not using pacenotes not in their native language. Or do you think that Ilka Minor is reading pacenotes in russian, Giovanni Bernacchini in arabic, Mikko Markkula in norwegian, Nicola Arena in hindi?

[bluuford]

Great times today from Mikkelsen. I expect him to be at a similar pace next year to what Neuville has been going at this year. Without being spectacular mikkelsen has had a better, more consistent first full season in the wrc compared to what Neuville had in 2012 - and look where thierry is now

Mikkelsen has done over 15 rallies in UK.These are the conditions he knows really well and he has experienced before. It is time to get used to his Polo as well. So, finally he is fighting for podium.. I was waiting for it couple of rallies ago already:-)

[pettersolberg29]

Just got back from a couple of days rallying - saw Hafren and Dyfi and was very impressed by the number of spectators at both. Great viewing at Hafren especially, though seeing Kubica's crash at Dyfi made the adrenaline pump a bit - looked much worse in person. Looking at some of the times I'm impressed by Mikkelsen and agree with err88 that he could be a big challenger next season. Mikko looked good in person yesterday, and Ogier was a level above much like Loeb used to be when I've seen him in the past. Cave, Evans and Pryce all flying the flag proudly too for our fine Isles! All in all, a great rally and gutted I can't be there tomorrow.

[danon]

looks like we are under attack again

unable to quote, comment, refresh etc...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks like Novikov will be returning for more tomorrow...

Amongst the DovenbyHall activity is the Fiesta of Novikov. Hoping to be be out for Sunday after roll today ..

pic.twitter.com/AivkW3KYlb

[dimviii]

looks like we are under attack again

unable to quote, comment, refresh etc...

you are under attack.I am NOT. :D

[dimviii]

Mikkos ds3 after the crash.What a mess!! :crazy:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZIwRNfIgAAriVB.jpg:large

[danon]

@ Pluto
+ = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYVKxZszofE
@ Mirek

[bassist]

@ Pluto
+ = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYVKxZszofE
@ Mirek


Erm................. very confusing!!

[danon]

Information processing in a mother tongue is a weapon and advantage with no substitute!!!

why Ogier is co-driven by a french speaking co-driver

why Loeb was co-driven by a french speaking co-driver

why Latvala is co-driven by a Finnish speaking co-driver

why Hirvonen is co-driven by a Finnish speaking co-driver

why Sordo is co-driven by a Spanish speaking co-driver

why Neuville is co-driven by a compatriot

Why, WHY, W H Y...

[bassist]

Information processing in a mother tongue is a weapon and advantage with no substitute!!!

why Ogier is co-driven by a french speaking co-driver

why Loeb was co-driven by a french speaking co-driver

why Latvala is co-driven by a Finnish speaking co-driver

why Hirvonen is co-driven by a Finnish speaking co-driver

why Sordo is co-driven by a Spanish speaking co-driver

why Neuville is co-driven by a compatriot

Why, WHY, W H Y...


Ah! get it now!

[noel157]

[quote="RS"

Anyone know something about Phillip Morrow? Some great times with a crappy N4 car today.[/quote]

Morrow is from Northern Ireland and came first in the UK Evo Challenge championship in 07 (I think) with the prize being a Mitsubishi UK supported drive for the following season. Unfortunately it didn't go well and Mitsubishi controversially dropped him midway through the season.
Has made a comeback this season and would've more than likely become Irish forestry champion if he hadn't opted to do RGB instead.

Was once regarded as a very good prospect (and perhaps still is) and is certainly a very talented driver. If he had the backing/budget things may well have been different for him.

[er88]

Great times today from Mikkelsen. I expect him to be at a similar pace next year to what Neuville has been going at this year. Without being spectacular mikkelsen has had a better, more consistent first full season in the wrc compared to what Neuville had in 2012 - and look where thierry is now

Mikkelsen has done over 15 rallies in UK.These are the conditions he knows really well and he has experienced before. It is time to get used to his Polo as well. So, finally he is fighting for podium.. I was waiting for it couple of rallies ago already:-)

Yeah i remember watching him out on the stages at rally scotland in 2010 and 2011. He certainly feels at home in the uk forests :). At the start of the year i had unrealistic expectations of him. His first full year in the wrc has gone well, and i hope he can push neuville hard for 3rd on the remaining stages.

[wwbroe]

Information processing in a mother tongue is a weapon and advantage with no substitute!!!

why Ogier is co-driven by a french speaking co-driver

why Loeb was co-driven by a french speaking co-driver

why Latvala is co-driven by a Finnish speaking co-driver

why Hirvonen is co-driven by a Finnish speaking co-driver

why Sordo is co-driven by a Spanish speaking co-driver

why Neuville is co-driven by a compatriot

Why, WHY, W H Y...


Neuville is codriven by a compatriot, but notes are not in Neuville's native language, wich is German. :D

[KKS]

problems for Mikkelsen...

[KKS]

GO GO GO Mads OOOStberg :D

[Eli]

problems for Mikkelsen...
a spin at the end costing him 10 seconds...

[HaCo]

Come on Mikkelsen!

From what I've seen from the mickey mouse stages: I like!

[Rally Talent]

Good stage for Ketomaa. Maybe the car works now as planned.

[HaCo]

What is he doing? :-)

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/16/14/161402_528886a95.jpg

[HaCo]

What is he doing? :-)

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/16/14/161402_528886a95.jpg

[KKS]

Cleaning wheel arc from mud. Colin tell that nearly 10 kilo's can be cleaning.

[tommeke_B]

@Danon:
Neuville hardly spoke any French 5,5 years ago. Now his codriver is French-speaking, and so are his notes.
Mikkelsen has a Finnish codriver and English notes.
Petter Solberg managed to become world champion with English notes.
Henning Solberg did more than a season with Ilka Minor, and some events with Stéphane Prévot, English notes, if the impact of another language would've been so big he would've found a Norwegian codriver, right?
And if we go back in history we can find plenty examples (such as Kankkunen).

You don't require a rich vocabulary to understand notes in other languages (left, right, some numbers and additions like crest, jump, caution, etc.).

So, please don't blame the language for Kubica's crashes. :)

[litifeta]

The language thing depends entirely upon the person. Under stress I am hopeless in any other language but English.

[skarderud]

Seems Mads finally got a troubblefree run.

Good fight with Mikkelsen!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads fastest again.. finishing the rally with a flourish... GO MADS !

[Wim_Impreza]

Great performance by Mikkelsen! Great to see ex-IRC drivers growing in the WRC.

In my opinion he is the biggest disappointment in the WRC this year.

Don't forget that Mikkelsen has droven this rally already a couple of times.

[Wim_Impreza]

First WRC event - Italian co-driver speaking Italian pacenotes to a polish guy in a french team!!!

I am pretty sure any other polish co-driver would've take him to the final. At least.

Money-mix, money-makes, money-takes!

Not agree. I was expecting that Kubica crashed in this rally. He even can't finish an ERC event, why he should finish a WRC event in his first time with a WRC car than?

[dimviii]

why Ogier said that?
[SS17] Sébastien Ogier (Volkswagen) 12:22.8 “It was the plan to show Jari that he has no chance to come back – no, you cannot speak like that!”

[Fast Eddie WRC]

RK crash onboard: http://t.co/Z8ZwKcIBeZ

[A FONDO]

why Ogier said that?
[SS17] Sébastien Ogier (Volkswagen) 12:22.8 “It was the plan to show Jari that he has no chance to come back – no, you cannot speak like that!”
stop the intrigues, enjoy the results

[dimviii]

why Ogier said that?
[SS17] Sébastien Ogier (Volkswagen) 12:22.8 “It was the plan to show Jari that he has no chance to come back – no, you cannot speak like that!”
stop the intrigues, enjoy the results

get your pills asap.

[AdvEvo]

Polo s are by far the best/fastest cars. Citroen and Ford drivers need to take more risks to get the Polo s times.

[OldF]

WRGB has done something right. :)

Phil Hammond ?@PAHammond
Spoke to people at Chirk castle who were fans in the 90s now back out for the 1st time with their family.

[A FONDO]

why Ogier said that?
[SS17] Sébastien Ogier (Volkswagen) 12:22.8 “It was the plan to show Jari that he has no chance to come back – no, you cannot speak like that!”
stop the intrigues, enjoy the results

get your pills asap.
you are the one who needs pills. Ogier in his 4th WRC season is already better than loeb in 10.

now call your right hand Noxt to explain about the team orders :laugh:

[dimviii]

team orders are obvious,except if you think that when Latvala tries to catch Ogier, Mikkelsen,Ostberg and Novikov can be faster/equal with him.
sorry you are not capable to understand what you see.Take your pills,will help you with your Loebphobia.

[PLuto]

you are the one who needs pills. Ogier in his 4th WRC season is already better than loeb in 10.

now call your right hand Noxt to explain about the team orders :laugh:

It hard to say that Ogier is better than Loeb. Yes, he has the best car this year and almost no rivals. Loeb is doing mainly circuits and when you are out of rally rhythm, it is not so easy...

[KKS]

Ogier better? Are you live at same planet as me?

[dimviii]

Ogier better? Are you live at same planet as me?

same planet,but he run out of pills.I will sent him a box at Monday morning.Some patience please till Monday.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This tweet says it all:

' Ive watched #F1 & #BSB this year - none come close to @WalesRallyGB' :D

[A FONDO]

season points:
loeb 270, 222, 276
Ogier 265 + 25 = 290 ; next year over 300

[wwbroe]

Neuville fastest sofar, so i guess he will take at least one point from powerstage ;)

[mousti]

Latvala takes no points at Powerstage! Mikkelsen lose a lot of second because he spinned again..

[wwbroe]

Faster as Latvalla and Ogier on last split, so maybe three points for TN.

[KKS]

you know points system 10 years ago and now? :D

LAtvala say: I can be only second on this rally... VW team orders? or understanding rally situation.

[mousti]

1-2-3 for QMWRT, Neuville looks almost secured of the runner up in WRC Season 2013!

[wwbroe]

Ford's rule on powerstage, they take 1,2 and 3. :)

[HaCo]

Polo s are by far the best/fastest cars. Citroen and Ford drivers need to take more risks to get the Polo s times.
I do not believe this anymore. Since Neuville has shown the pace of the Ford on tarmac, where Ford was always the slowest on tarmac, I just don't believe that the Ford was that much slower than the Citroen, if at all, over the past years.
After Loeb came Ogier and they are simply the fastest around. They don't make mistakes often and they are masters. Guys like Latvala and Hirvonen just miss the last edge to get it. Gronholm was different I think, he had more speed.
Something that plays too is confidence. If you can adapt to the car, or setup the car that it adapts more to you, you'll be able to creat confidence and go faster.

[HaCo]

Ford's rule on powerstage, they take 1,2 and 3. :)

But most important: Thierry takes first! No more stupid mistakes these last stages, fingers crossed for him!

[mousti]

Neuville had to overpush it to get the victory in German so I really think they're still slower on asphalt. Not so much like previous years but still a bit..

[HaCo]

you know points system 10 years ago and now? :D

LAtvala say: I can be only second on this rally... VW team orders? or understanding rally situation.

He means that he is too slow to beat Ogier.

[HaCo]

Neuville had to overpush it to get the victory in German so I really think they're still slower on asphalt. Not so much like previous years but still a bit..

Not talking about Germany, but about France.

[HaCo]

Great performance by Mikkelsen! Great to see ex-IRC drivers growing in the WRC.

In my opinion he is the biggest disappointment in the WRC this year.

Don't forget that Mikkelsen has droven this rally already a couple of times.

Not at all. It takes a lot of time to develop a mature WRC-driver. Look at Ogier, how many C4's did he crash and I don't recall him doing a lot of fastest times these days. He was just playing with Novikov if I recall correctly.

[stefanvv]

you know points system 10 years ago and now? :D

LAtvala say: I can be only second on this rally... VW team orders? or understanding rally situation.
Quite unlikely. Ogier just has full control over the Rally from the start.

[PLuto]

season points:
loeb 270, 222, 276
Ogier 265 + 25 = 290 ; next year over 300

This comparison has nonsense. And you know it very well...

[PLuto]

you know points system 10 years ago and now? :D

LAtvala say: I can be only second on this rally... VW team orders? or understanding rally situation.

SS18 - (7 - Latvala Jari-Matti / Anttila Miikka): I should have started this rally with better speed. I got the spark too late. I can't catch him anymore unless he makes a mistake.

[KKS]

I can't catch him anymore unless he makes a mistake.
He talks about Great Orme :stareup: :D

[bluuford]

So..will it be first points finish for Ogier in GB ever? 3 stages to go :-) 7th attemtp;-)

[dimviii]

I can't catch him anymore unless he makes a mistake.
He talks about Great Orme :stareup: :D

according to some Loebphobia mates,it wasn t a mistake but on purpose.

[dimviii]

So..will it be first points finish for Ogier in GB ever? 3 stages to go :-) 7th attemtp;-)

he is better than Loeb,what are you talking about? :dork:

[A FONDO]

season points:
loeb 270, 222, 276
Ogier 265 + 25 = 290 ; next year over 300

This comparison has nonsense. And you know it very well...
Yes I said several times that pure numbers and statistics bend the truth, but some people continued. So this time I give them "their own medicine" (english phrase) - you know, when you want to deal with somebody beneath you, you have to step lower on his level.

[Rally Talent]

I've been away for some time. When did this forum turn to a kindergarten? :dork:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I've been away for some time. When did this forum turn to a kindergarten? :dork:

:laugh:

[dimviii]

season points:
loeb 270, 222, 276
Ogier 265 + 25 = 290 ; next year over 300

This comparison has nonsense. And you know it very well...
Yes I said several times that pure numbers and statistics bend the truth, but some people continued. So this time I give them "their own medicine" (english phrase) - you know, when you want to deal with somebody beneath you, you have to step lower on his level.

i can understand your pain trying to find some numbers,but rallies are about wins,championships,stage wins.Nobody talks about second position points difference,except Loebphobia fans.
You have to step lower to find some other numbers against competitors with one or not a single win.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

How does Ogier keep his concentration... by going fastest.

Even on the MM Kinmel Park he doesn't play totally safe and goes for it... class. :champion:

[Rally Talent]

So true.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good pic showing the chaos at Chirk Castle yesterday... 3 hour wait to get in and out due to this narrow bridge access.. :( :crazy:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZOtHo4CIAA6kbM.jpg:large

Great turnout of the Group B cars though:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZRg-9_IAAA_104.jpg:large

[Co-driven]

As mentioned bymsomeone after Rally Spain, once again Ostberg's car feature a different gravel rim, similar to the ones used on the Focus a few years ago. Is there any particular reason for that?

[stefanvv]

As mentioned bymsomeone after Rally Spain, once again Ostberg's car feature a different gravel rim, similar to the ones used on the Focus a few years ago. Is there any particular reason for that?
May be stronger and he is paying for it :confused:

[Franky]

I've been away for some time. When did this forum turn to a kindergarten? :dork:

no no, it's the psychiatric ward of rally fanatics. that's why they are talking about pills and medicine all the time

[Eli]

what's up with WRC's site, it doesn't show any updated stage,splits times???

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Karlip ?@Karlip1 3m
#WRC Since http://WRC.com is totally dead, you can follow the times here: http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally- ... ?ssId=2133 (http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally-great-britain-2013/?ssId=2133) … :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well done Neuville - 2nd in WRC 2013:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZRt9gmIcAAF2ui.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZRuXEkIIAAAtU0.jpg:large

[Eli]

Karlip ?@Karlip1 3m
#WRC Since http://WRC.com is totally dead, you can follow the times here: http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally- ... ?ssId=2133 (http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally-great-britain-2013/?ssId=2133) … :D
thankyou so much

[HaCo]

Well done Neuville - 2nd in WRC 2013:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZRt9gmIcAAF2ui.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZRuXEkIIAAAtU0.jpg:large


YES YES YES!!!!


Proud to be a Belgian today!!!


http://users.telenet.be/menoire/images/belgianFlag.gif

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Huge congrats Elfyn Evans - winner in WRC2 Rally GB !! :D

[bluuford]

Huge congrats Elfyn Evans - winner in WRC2 Rally GB !! :D
Great! I hope he gets full season in WRC2 next season and maybe some drives with WRC at the end of year (like his home rally). No need tu hurry into the WRC yet.

[Eli]

well done Thierry Neuville, what a great season, won't have it as easy for next year...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pleased for Mads Ostberg to get 4th in GB after a really hard season. :)

Hope it gives him a boost to come back better next year.. really nice guy, deserves some luck...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZDWUaRIAAElq6c.jpg:large

[stefanvv]

well done Thierry Neuville, what a great season, won't have it as easy for next year...
I wouldn't say it's been easy for him this year, also with new car, but for sure Hyundai will be slower car

[focus206]

Problems for Prokop at the very last stage?

[bassist]

So , come on then boys and girls, what is it with all these quick French Pilots?

[PLuto]

Problems for Prokop at the very last stage?

No, only we dont have his time...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Now I am sad..... no more WRC until next year.... :(

[Mirek]

It's not that long time to Monte Carlo. Between You can take a look on ERC opener in Austria which starts right after New year.

[PLuto]

As fans struggle to find out the results of the Wales Rally GB, an event official has confirmed to iRally that the official championship timing system, delivered by the Spanish company SIT Sports, has been under a hacking attack, which may have begun on Thursday.

The official insists that - while the timing has been attacked - the tracking system, essential to the safety operation of the rally, has not been compromised.

[PLuto]

official update:


Wrc.com is currently unable to bring you full results from the final three stages of Wales Rally GB due to an issue with the FIA World Rally Championship's results system.

The results team is working hard to resolve the problem, and we will bring you the final positions as soon as possible.

[Formaldehyde]

If hackers are the cause behind inexistent or inaccurate timing, then SIT gets hacked at every event...

[PLuto]

I am surprised that they dont have any backup version. Ok, we are doing only events in Czech republic, but I am sure that, in case of problems, we are able to reconstruct the complete results much more quicker...

[AndyRAC]

Hmmm, so what is their excuse the rest of the year??? They're rubbish. End of. Bring back Stage1.....

[PLuto]

Hmmm, so what is their excuse the rest of the year??? They're rubbish. End of. Bring back Stage1.....

Stage1 was not absolute winning too. They hardly wanted to make a change at FIA, but it is not so easy to prepare compact system for it, especially with split times (which I hate - for the crews into the car, not for spectators).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Perfect end to a perfect rally...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZSAPFACAAEuSsk.jpg:large

http://instagram.com/p/g0bXQqkf9k/

Thank you NORTH Wales for Rally GB ! :)

[Juha_Koo]

So apparently Korhonen won WRC3? :confused:

[bluuford]

or second last.. ? :-P who knows.. maybe someone can hack me to position nr 1;-)

[PLuto]

So apparently Korhonen won WRC3? :confused:

Yes...

[PLuto]

To say the truth, I dont understand what they are doing in Wales. It is four hours since last stage, in that time there is no problem to calculate the result of 40 crews at least manually on paper...

[A FONDO]

Congratulations to Thierry! Well deserved!

About the timing, let's hope this is the last drop that will make the governing body change these muppets.... unless there is a huge bribe under the table :mad:

[PLuto]

Reconstructed final results of Wales Rally GB: http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally- ... ?ssId=2133 (http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally-great-britain-2013/?ssId=2133)

[A FONDO]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTQ91V7Yi80 :crazy:

[dimviii]

congrats to Ogier Ingrassia for another win,even an easy one.Controlling the rally 4 days.
Neuville the only hope,but needs a lot of rallies more.At straight fight he is not capable yet to win.
Evans very good considering his age even inside his home rally.Dont know though how much time Ketomaa lost due to misfires.
Latvala was waiting more from him in a rally he is always fast.
Sordo,pitty he was blocked from Loeb so many years.
Ostberg,Novikov dissapoitments of 2013.
Mikkelsen,not bad,but even not good.Waiting more from him.
Gilbert,excellent for his 1st time at Wales, without mistake for 4 days dogfight.

Roll on 2014,even i dont think we have to see something exciting,but lets be positive thinking.

[DoubleD]

Just returned from WRGB and I must say the spectating experience was much improved over recent years.
The night stages were great, and returned an essential ingredient of our round of the WRC to the schedule (rallying at night is unbeatable). I don't know if it was an 'official' strategy, but the marshals were far more relaxed about spectators walking into the stages than previously which helps in so many ways, principally by spreading people out and giving everybody chance to see the action.
It seems the spectator stages went down well with the public from the reports I've seen which has to be a positive thing overall.

My only criticisms would be.
1. The stages finish too early in the day, there should be at least 1 night forest stage at the end of each leg in addition to what is currently in the schedule. Going to a service park is not action. Rally fans want to be in forests watching these guys going flat out.
2. Many marshals did not know what they were doing, which was both frustrating and dangerous. Don't get me wrong I more than appreciate them giving the time to do it, but there must be some form of training to allow them to do it safely. Blowing the whistle too early being the principle problem, when spectators loose confidence in the whistle, they will ignore them...

So overall a great improvement. (many thanks to my friend who supplied the official stage maps allowing better viewing)

[er88]

Congratulations to Thierry! Well deserved!

About the timing, let's hope this is the last drop that will make the governing body change these muppets.... unless there is a huge bribe under the table :mad:

This has been an absolute farce. The FIA quite frankly dont seem to give a sh*t about the sport - in my eyes. What is the point in change for changes sake? Stage 1 had it flaws but they were a hell of alot better than these buffons. I know wrc teams shouldn't be allowed to have the final say on most important decisions but the fact the teams really wanted the previous timing company to remain this year- as did numerous rallies if i remember for safety reasons aswell, should have rung a few bells at the FIA . Its an embarresment we have to wait 4 or 5 hrs for official results. FIA needs to gets a grip and sack these muppets or just leave our sport alone and f*ck off and concentrate further on their beloved F1. Rant over ;)

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPl7EaISXQU

[PLuto]

Finally complete results of Wales Rally GB - http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally- ... itain-2013 (http://rally-base.com/2013/wales-rally-great-britain-2013)

[Juha_Koo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTQ91V7Yi80 :crazy:

LOL, the basist on the right looks a bit like Nico Gilsoul with long hair and beard... :D :D

Nice onboard from SS12, Mikkelsen/Markkula, 3rd fastest, +1,9 from JML. --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA4IT6JIt-c

[A FONDO]

Roll on 2014,even i dont think we have to see something exciting,but lets be positive thinking.
what you were talking about the quitter last year, that we must be happy to live at his time and witness the show he produces?

why it is not exciting anymore to have one superior driver?

this is a retorical question, no need to reply.

[KKS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTQ91V7Yi80 :crazy:
Looks like made by ukrainian TV

[dimviii]

Roll on 2014,even i dont think we have to see something exciting,but lets be positive thinking.
what you were talking about the quitter last year, that we must be happy to live at his time and witness the show he produces?

why it is not exciting anymore to have one superior driver?

this is a retorical question, no need to reply.

Loebphobia is not easy to cure.But you have to insist at the treatment.

[A FONDO]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 038&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=657749597588686&set=a.657749257588720.1073741873.198582790172038&type=1) :devil:

[A FONDO]

http://www.almrally.ru/gallery_card.php?g=310044&prt=0

[stefanvv]

Next year? Lets hope for a battle between Ogier & Latvala (though I already suspect the winner), 'cause I don't think VW will make any team orders. For the others, except Neuville, I don't see anyone t capable of challenging them, but then there is a big question of Hyunday's performance, see it in January.

[MartijnS]

http://www.almrally.ru/gallery_card.php?g=310044&prt=0

Only shots at road sections?? :crazy:
Or was the track with the hairpin left a stage?

[A FONDO]

the slower they pass, the easier to catch them in focus, isn't it :dozey:

[danon]

Information processing in a mother tongue is a weapon and advantage with no substitute!!!

why Ogier is co-driven by a french speaking co-driver

why Loeb was co-driven by a french speaking co-driver

why Latvala is co-driven by a Finnish speaking co-driver

why Hirvonen is co-driven by a Finnish speaking co-driver

why Sordo is co-driven by a Spanish speaking co-driver

why Neuville is co-driven by a compatriot

Why, WHY, W H Y...


Neuville is codriven by a compatriot, but notes are not in Neuville's native language, wich is German. :D


@Danon:
Neuville hardly spoke any French 5,5 years ago. Now his codriver is French-speaking, and so are his notes.
Mikkelsen has a Finnish codriver and English notes.
Petter Solberg managed to become world champion with English notes.
Henning Solberg did more than a season with Ilka Minor, and some events with Stéphane Prévot, English notes, if the impact of another language would've been so big he would've found a Norwegian codriver, right?
And if we go back in history we can find plenty examples (such as Kankkunen).

You don't require a rich vocabulary to understand notes in other languages (left, right, some numbers and additions like crest, jump, caution, etc.).

So, please don't blame the language for Kubica's crashes. :)



First WRC event - Italian co-driver speaking Italian pacenotes to a polish guy in a french team!!!

I am pretty sure any other polish co-driver would've take him to the final. At least.

Money-mix, money-makes, money-takes!

Not agree. I was expecting that Kubica crashed in this rally. He even can't finish an ERC event, why he should finish a WRC event in his first time with a WRC car than?
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..........

Show me a winning team driver - co-driver in 2013 not speaking their mother tongue.

Saison WRC - http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3323/qt9e.jpg

Sure there had been exceptions back in rally history but statistics show the majority of wins/winners/champions speaking their native language prevail over the non mother tongue speaking ones.

An advantage reflecting the speed of perception and processing the information faster.

Hence the results!

No intention to go into statistical details.
It's all out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KXIDUo18aA

[COD]

Kankkunen won all his championships with english pacenotes. So did Vatanen and Mikkola. I guess Blomqvist too.

[bluuford]

So did Solberg.. 2003 WR Champion
Märtin also won all his 5 rallies with English speaking co-driver (RIP)
Östberg win in Portugal 2012
All dpends on which language you have used for your notes before...

[danon]

as for the names mentioned above...

didn't want to go statistic but...

Sebastien Loeb/Daniel Elena - added for comparison reasons

Rallies - 167

Championships - 9 (2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012)
Rally wins - 78
Podiums - 116
Stage wins - 900
...........................................

Juha Kankkunen

Rallies - 162

Championships - 4 (1986, 1987, 1991, 1993)
Rally wins - 23
Podiums - 75
Stage wins - 700
...........................................

Ari Vatanen

Rallies - 101
Championships - 1 (1981)
Rally wins - 10
Podiums - 27
Stage wins - 527
.............................................

Hannu Mikkola

Rallies - 123
Championships - 1 (1983)
Rally wins - 18
Podiums - 44
Stage wins - 666
...........................................

Stig Blomqvist

Rallies - 122
Championships - 1 (1984)
Rally wins - 11
Podiums - 33
Stage wins - 486
................................................

Petter Solberg

Rallies - 188
Championships - 1 (2003)
Rally wins - 13
Podiums - 52
Stage wins - 460
...............................................

Markko Martin

Rallies - 86
Championships - 0
Rally wins - 5
Podiums - 18
Stage wins - 101
................................................

Mads Ostberg

Rallies - 58
Championships - 0
Rally wins - 1
Podiums - 6
Stage wins - 27
...........................................

... you do the math.

Ogier is the next one to prove the mother tongue advantage long term.

[N.O.T]

stop with this useless thing... what is the point ?

[danon]

ADVANTAGE not to be confused with IMPOSSIBLE!!!

[focus206]

as for the names mentioned above...

didn't want to go statistic but...


so what? already only looking at Kankkunen's achievements should be a proof that one can be terribly fast with notes not in his mother tongue...

[danon]

do the math again comparing the guy above Kankkunen

[PLuto]

You cannot compare Sébastien Loeb to anybody else. He is exception in the rally history, he didnt have enough rivals on same level (especially in last years)...

[focus206]

do the math again comparing the guy above Kankkunen
There's no need to do any maths:
Question: Can one be very fast with notes in another language than his mother tongue?
Answer: Yes.
No need to do anything else. More than that, don't you think that Robert knows better than you if Italian notes suit him well? If they don't, he'll get a Polish co-driver next year, I don't think he's obliged to drive with English or Italian notes.

[PLuto]

do the math again comparing the guy above Kankkunen
There's no need to do any maths:
Question: Can one be very fast with notes in another language than his mother tongue?
Answer: Yes.
No need to do anything else. More than that, don't you think that Robert knows better than you if Italian notes suit him well? If they don't, he'll get a Polish co-driver next year, I don't think he's obliged to drive with English or Italian notes.

And I will take it also from another point of view - he was crashing this year both with polish and italian pacenotes :angryfire

[danon]

No one can convince me the mother tongue is not an advantage!

All I wanted to point out is the advantage it gives in extreme situations when the speed of processing the information is decisive factor and could take you out of trouble in a star trek bit of a second faster.

[big_sw2000]

No one can convince me the mother tongue is not an advantage!

All I wanted to point out is the advantage it gives in extreme situations when the speed of processing the information is decisive factor and could take you out of trouble in a star trek bit of a second faster.

So your saying I should take my notes in Welsh. Im Welsh, I live in Wales. But I speak English. So I see a big crash coming up for me.
Am I right in thinking Kubica native language is Italian

Steve

[tommeke_B]

So according to Danon's theory, a codriver who is a bit heavier (Elena) will help you to secure more world titles too! :)

[wwbroe]

So according to Danon's theory, a codriver who is a bit heavier (Elena) will help you to secure more world titles too! :)

Offcourse, the centre of gravity will be much lower, so he stays on the road easier. :D :D :D

[Marcco]

No one can convince me the mother tongue is not an advantage!

All I wanted to point out is the advantage it gives in extreme situations when the speed of processing the information is decisive factor and could take you out of trouble in a star trek bit of a second faster.
I do believe using your native language can be disadvantage, if notes are hard to pronounce (i.e. words are long or not expressive). Depends on the language.

[tommeke_B]

Yes. There are some Belgian drivers who speak Dutch but prefer their notes in French. Also there are many Dutch drivers who have a Belgian codriver and use several notes that aren't really Dutch, but come from Belgium. To give another example there is Matthias Boon, he drove with Dutch, French and English notes, and was just as fast with all of them.

[big_sw2000]

And I think im right in saying. That Tommi took his notes in Finish. BUt with the odd English word thrown in. I maybe wrong with the driver, but im sure one of the Finns did it that way

Steve

[306 Cosworth]

Well done everyone. Ruining a thread about an excellent rally, by chatting utter sh*t about drivers and what language their co-drivers speak. Go and start a new thread if it bothers you that much.

[Leon]

Well done everyone. Ruining a thread about an excellent rally, by chatting utter sh*t about drivers and what language their co-drivers speak. Go and start a new thread if it bothers you that much.

Where is the "like" button

[PLuto]

Well done everyone. Ruining a thread about an excellent rally, by chatting utter sh*t about drivers and what language their co-drivers speak. Go and start a new thread if it bothers you that much.

Rally is done and it was quite boring to watch on internet (except crashes). So Danon found better topic to discuss ;)

[Allyc85]

My video of Mikkelsen on it though Dyfnant 2! Just silly fast! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkS ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkSLE8&feature=youtu.be)

[Doon]

Here is Mikkelsen going for it again on Dyfnant 1. Ignore my commentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NKHkM6h ... 1LMAzzGB5g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NKHkM6hA6c&feature=c4-overview&list=UUHgvwj6z55ikA1LMAzzGB5g)

[A FONDO]

My video of Mikkelsen on it though Dyfnant 2! Just silly fast! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkS ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkSLE8&feature=youtu.be)
Good spot! Would you tell more, who seemed bravest, who cleanest, who fastest, who of the top was most disappointing?

[306 Cosworth]

And another 1 shot of Andreas
http://youtu.be/O-KJC98bAXg

He was easily the most entertaining driver all weekend. Biggest disappointment for me was Neuville. Just didn't look that quick all weekend, and had a Loeb-esque style of driving where I saw him.

Got a full highlights video uploading now.

[Allyc85]

My video of Mikkelsen on it though Dyfnant 2! Just silly fast! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkS ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkSLE8&feature=youtu.be)
Good spot! Would you tell more, who seemed bravest, who cleanest, who fastest, who of the top was most disappointing?

All the top drivers were flat through there, the first driver to noticeably brake was Barrable in the R5 Fiesta!

Most spectacular was Sordo who really pitched the car hard right before flinging it to the left :bounce: :bounce:

It was such a good spectator spot it made the R3 DS3 look spectacular, and its one of my least liked cars in rally!
In the National Rally Thorburn was a class above the rest!

Looking forward to your video Luke!

[stefanvv]

My video of Mikkelsen on it though Dyfnant 2! Just silly fast! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkS ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkSLE8&feature=youtu.be)
Blame English pace notes for that :D :D :D

[306 Cosworth]

Here's my short highlights video from Wales Rally GB.

Click the pic!
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3773/10925111003_42d68e9815_o.jpg (http://youtu.be/f4Z4zGMnX0Q)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Well done everyone. Ruining a thread about an excellent rally, by chatting utter sh*t about drivers and what language their co-drivers speak. Go and start a new thread if it bothers you that much.

Well said. Too much of this on here, people going off on a tangent and then trying to prove their argument until it becomes ridiculous.

Just make your point then move on. There is a whole rally to discuss.

[eestlane]

My video of Mikkelsen on it though Dyfnant 2! Just silly fast! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkS ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkSLE8&feature=youtu.be)

That is not Mikkelsen. JML...

[big_sw2000]

My video of Mikkelsen on it though Dyfnant 2! Just silly fast! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkS ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkSLE8&feature=youtu.be)

That is not Mikkelsen. JML...

Good spotting. Not the VW Fans car. With all the photos on it

Steve

[Allyc85]

My video of Mikkelsen on it though Dyfnant 2! Just silly fast! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkS ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA6u-KkSLE8&feature=youtu.be)

That is not Mikkelsen. JML...

So it is :laugh: :crazy: :colour:

[Allyc85]

Video of the national event on Myherin and Dyfnant.

http://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=TY-xtbm4euk

[JoostSchouten]

Video of Kubica crash, he was going really fast!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k0kAvu_rKE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k0kAvu_rKE&list=SP2B6857D397B6787D&index=34)

http://i40.tinypic.com/ekrp0w.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k0kAvu_rKE&list=SP2B6857D397B6787D&index=34)

[Juha_Koo]

I'd like to quote one of our Greek friend;

That marshall is a disgrace to this sport... How can one be so stupid?

[dimviii]

nice video
http://www.youtube.com/embed/VXIM4mTJrMU

[Gregor-y]

Video of Kubica crash, he was going really fast!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k0kAvu_rKE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k0kAvu_rKE&list=SP2B6857D397B6787D&index=34)

Lucky miss:
http://i.imgur.com/xDu4CLE.gif

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen was very lucky to have all wheels on the car after spin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5vARdnxOR0

[306 Cosworth]

nice video
http://www.youtube.com/embed/VXIM4mTJrMU

Would like to know how that guy got signed on as media just to produce a YouTube video.

[A FONDO]

don't miss 2:14 :shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf47DdSA7Ds

[Simorally86]

Hi guys, first time in Wales, and was amazing! Really a great event! Here some pics of the rally ;)
http://csrallyphotos.weebly.com/wales-rally-gb.html

https://www.facebook.com/csrallyphotos

[mousti]

nice video
http://www.youtube.com/embed/VXIM4mTJrMU

Would like to know how that guy got signed on as media just to produce a YouTube video.
Don't think his the only one..

[A FONDO]

Hi guys, first time in Wales, and was amazing! Really a great event! Here some pics of the rally ;)
http://csrallyphotos.weebly.com/wales-rally-gb.html

https://www.facebook.com/csrallyphotos
top class !!!

[bassist]

nice video
http://www.youtube.com/embed/VXIM4mTJrMU

Would like to know how that guy got signed on as media just to produce a YouTube video.
Don't think his the only one..


Cracking Video!!!!!!!!!!!

[DemetriW1]

My Highlight video! Great atmosphere this year with many spectators! :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PBsnrKEmAA

[Mintexmemory]

I'd like to quote one of our Greek friend;

That marshall is a disgrace to this sport... How can one be so stupid?

According to a post on a different forum the marshal was only there because he had to keep moving idiots away from that position. He maintained his presence there to prevent re-occupation of the space, fortunately he was alive to the problem!
Having been to a number of different WRC events in Europe I am sure that the UK marshalling is among the best there is (can't comment on how good Sweden and Finland are). What amuses me is the way in which guys who get to near the top of the organisation tree feel the need to pedal the party line on spectator access etc.

[N.O.T]

He maintained his presence there to prevent re-occupation of the space


LOL...

[Mirek]

Was this huuuge moment of Mikkelsen here? (time 0:21)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADV3I5sUmuI

[dimviii]

Was this huuuge moment of Mikkelsen here? (time 0:21)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADV3I5sUmuI

yes from a camera 20 meters later positioned.

[Mirek]

nice video
http://www.youtube.com/embed/VXIM4mTJrMU

Would like to know how that guy got signed on as media just to produce a YouTube video.
Don't think his the only one..

His channel has right now 5,186,510 views. I'm pretty sure You can find plenty of "normal" media with less attention among the accredited.

I don't see anything wrong about giving him an accreditation. He makes more for rallying popularity than large percentage of the "normal" media.

[Doon]

Anyone noticed Al-Radji always flashes? Is it to tell speccies to move, or to say hello? I've seen hime do it on a number of occasions now.

[MartijnS]

Offcourse, but I still think it was difficult to get accreditation with a youtube channel. Joost has more than 20 million views and I don't think its even easy to get an accreditation than, also because of the video rights. At least a Tabard seems tough.Think I know the guy and have seen him with a Media Pass around. Did he have one though? Maybe he just found some good spots with nice officials. Sweet Lamb seems to be filmed from a spectator spot.

Al-Rahji says hello :D

[306 Cosworth]

Offcourse, but I still think it was difficult to get accreditation with a youtube channel. Joost has more than 20 million views and I don't think its even easy to get an accreditation than, also because of the video rights. At least a Tabard seems tough.Think I know the guy and have seen him with a Media Pass around. Did he have one though? Maybe he just found some good spots with nice officials. Sweet Lamb seems to be filmed from a spectator spot.

Al-Rahji says hello :D


Yes Martijn the guy was signed on as I saw him in Dyfi. And my YouTube page has more views than his too and it would be impossible for me to get a media pass!

[Allyc85]

A few of my pics. Didnt take many as I was either too busy watching or didnt really get in a good place for them..

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3741/10946213325_05d2404985_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/10946213325/)
Myherin 1 Wales Rally GB 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/10946213325/) by Alastair Cummins (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7381/10931901225_a1f279f59f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/10931901225/)
Myherin 1 Wales Rally GB 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/10931901225/) by Alastair Cummins (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3695/10932821384_200521005c_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/10932821384/)
Myherin 1 Wales Rally GB 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/10932821384/) by Alastair Cummins (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7402/10947461014_6cdb2c289a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/10947461014/)
Myherin 1 Wales Rally GB 2013 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/10947461014/) by Alastair Cummins (http://www.flickr.com/people/allyc85/), on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/se ... 815794424/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allyc85/sets/72157637815794424/)

[MartijnS]

Yes Martijn the guy was signed on as I saw him in Dyfi. And my YouTube page has more views than his too and it would be impossible for me to get a media pass!

Well, good job than ;)

[makinen_fan]

After recovering for a day from a VERY exhausting Wales Rally GB. We managed to see a lot of action SS1,6,9 (finally made it to Pikes Peak section of Myherin thanks to tip by Mintexmemory), 10,12,14,17,20,21 plus the national event in SS6,14,20,21. The increase in spectator numbers led to some seriously long walks from car parks. Marshals' behaviour was a bit more relaxed compared to other years. What surprised me in Myherin, in the first 3-4km we walked in, there was not a single marshall (???)

Competition-wise the rally was boring with no great interest. No driver made a big difference in driving by eye
Ogier when he was pushing the first day was very sideways but under control, in day 3 and 4 he was nothing special to watch though.
Latvala and Evgeny were unusually tidy with their driving.
I was expecting more by Thierry and some more on the limit driving, but probably took it easy to secure 2nd place.
Dani was taking his usual Loeb-style lines but the times were not there.
I didn't find the Fiesta R5 boring as most of you say. The sound is not the best but I don't remember the S2000 cars to be any more exciting to watch.

Some moments from the event worth noting:
During the starting order selection Mikko was looking really miserable walking through the service park, he usually is smiley and joking around.
Bryan Bouffier has an off in SS6 in front of us, that's why he lost approx 2 min.
At the service after SS3, the Ford mechanics were making a lot of effort to fix Thierry's car after he hit that rock. MW was there all the time and looked tense. They even send the car out to park ferme without sumpguard (they removed the gbox and put it back in) as they were marginal with time.
In SS10 we managed to sneak into the starting line (forbidden in Rally GB) and the way VW sound when switching to stage mode is really fearsome, very different to the rest of cars. When switched on the engine sounds to suck in a lot of air very vigorously and then calm down 1-2s before launch. Andreas had it on for 25-30s and sounded even more aggressive than Ogier's and Latvala. My bro have some videos of it, hopefully I will upload later and share with you.
Also all the VWs when stopped they always had steam coming out of their bonnet.

[Franky]

Also all the VWs when stopped they always had steam coming out of their bonnet.

All those red bulls under the bonnet ;)

[A FONDO]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 9062_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1458418_680000085366181_1939579062_n.jpg)

[dimviii]

some nice photos
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=141506

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=141523

[dimviii]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111471

[catty]

Anyone noticed Al-Radji always flashes? Is it to tell speccies to move, or to say hello? I've seen hime do it on a number of occasions now.
Its to say hey look at me!
You ever see the way he struts around with his gold iPhone.......

[danon]

NO COMMENT!!!

Kubica: GB shunts won't influence 2014 - http://eurosport.du.ae/wrc/kubica-gb-sh ... tory.shtml (http://eurosport.du.ae/wrc/kubica-gb-shunts-won-t-influence-2014_sto4014180/story.shtml)

Quote:

CO-DRIVER SWITCH HURT CHANGES

The Pole admitted the tricky Welsh conditions were difficult, but it was the switch of co-driver that caused him the most upset on what should have been a landmark moment in his short rally career.

Kubica's regular co-driver Maciek Baran decided not to compete in Wales and when the 2008 Canadian Grand Prix winner could not find another Polish navigator, he took Italian Michele Ferrara.

Although Kubica speaks Italian fluently, he said the language switch made the rally very difficult. His second crash of the weekend was due to a misunderstanding in the notes.

"When you have very little time to know each other and everything comes at the last moment, you know it can be the a risk - but I tried not to think about it," he said.

"If you ask me for an expression about how I felt when I knew [about Baran's decision to quit], I was quite scared.

"I said to Maciek that if I continue in rallying then we have to commit to a minimum of three years. But it turned out in 10 months or less his decision was different and it put me in a really difficult situation.

"I don't want to blame this situation, but it didn't help with my debut in the World Rally Car.

"Together, Michele and I had a lot of very hard work. But I am happy with his approach. It wasn't easy, we put a lot of effort in to simplify things [in the notes], but we were not paid back with the best of luck."

[Mintexmemory]

My WRGB
Much of what I would have said has been already covered. Ogier dispelling the ‘no good in UK conditions’ myth. Citroen looking like they were after the ‘inability to score in a bordello’ award. Neuville being amazingly quick in conditions that he had only as much experience of as Kubica, I suppose a settled co-driver helps! Elfyn doing his growing reputation no harm.
I’d set myself the target of attending the whole event on a tight budget so my routes, and hence the stages I attended, were carefully worked out and as a result of not using any of the official car parks ;) I had to walk 20 miles in total over the four days of the rally. I found a very good walker’s hostel in Corris and had I known about it before booking the Travelodge near Deeside I’d have gone there overnight on the Thursday. The back road in Corris main street leads 1.5km to Dyfi stage.
Llandegla was not for the purist with its lack of real spectacle, but at least you could see 3 passes from all the WRC field with some nice sideways moments. As I always say miss Shakedown and you could miss seeing one of the contestants entirely – it was the only place I saw Kubica clearly (though he must have passed in the dark of Gwydyr)
Gwydyr was atmospheric and took me back in time, I was standing at the priority media junction so all the WRC cars were lit by many flashguns going off
Finally made it to the Pikes Peak section of Myherin, worth the trek and I’ll definitely go back in future.
On Saturday I went to the regroup in Corris where rally crews appeared to outnumber spectators giving some previously unknown level of access for photograph signings.
Spectacular drive over the hills to Dyfnant followed for Saturday / Sunday spectating. I decided that as I was on my own I’d skip Great Orme in favour of watching more at Dyfnant before the 4hr drive back to London.
Final impressions
Some people undergo personality change the moment a hi-vi tabard is worn
Wales’ autumn colours were fabulous this year
R5 is alright by me
Funny how all the Poles had disappeared by Sunday
Rallying is one of the best vehicles for promoting pan-european harmony – Talking to a boisterous crowd of Lithuanians in Gwydyr, one said to me how welcoming the rally was to foreigners. I agreed, pointing out that I didn’t speak the local language either!
35mm pics are currently at the lab so here a some of my digis for illustration
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2815/10968888424_a7ce1d7941_z.jpg

Llandegla - Mikkelsen

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5536/10968919154_b57665ca90_z.jpg

Gwydyr at night

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7405/10969073853_3348fe7eec_z.jpg

Myherin view with Polo

[A FONDO]

Elfyn doing his growing reputation no harm.
Such an accurate statement, explained so nicely.

The last picture is wonderful.

[Mintexmemory]

Elfyn doing his growing reputation no harm.
Such an accurate statement, explained so nicely.

The last picture is wonderful.
Thanks Ss
My other WRGB pics are at http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/sets ... 889056553/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/sets/72157637889056553/)

Where do people find the time to upload so quickly - still have my Dyfnant digitals to upload and my 35mm aren't back from the lab yet!!
You'll see I'm trying to work a few more landscape photos in to my photography as it captures the place and time better than just focussing on the car's movement.
Must start the Monte thread soon!

[big_sw2000]

Elfyn doing his growing reputation no harm.
Such an accurate statement, explained so nicely.

The last picture is wonderful.
Thanks Ss
My other WRGB pics are at http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/sets ... 889056553/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/sets/72157637889056553/)

Where do people find the time to upload so quickly - still have my Dyfnant digitals to upload and my 35mm aren't back from the lab yet!!
You'll see I'm trying to work a few more landscape photos in to my photography as it captures the place and time better than just focussing on the car's movement.
Must start the Monte thread soon!
Cracking photos

Steve

[dimviii]

a bit late,but worth a look at these photos.
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/wales_rally_gb_2013/ych_2-4.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/wales_rally_gb_2013/ych_11-8.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/wales_rally_gb_2013/ych_3-8.jpg

more
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=6543&fotograf=301

[makinen_fan]

a bit late,but worth a look at these photos.

more
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=6543&fotograf=301

thanks for posting my gallery dim ;) hope you like them. also from the national event here:
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13563&fotograf=301
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13564&fotograf=301

i was really really late processing all the photos this time

[dimviii]

thanks for posting my gallery dim ;) hope you like them. also from the national event here:
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13563&fotograf=301
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=13564&fotograf=301

i was really really late processing all the photos this time

didn t know that these photos were yours!Really good Yiannis! Dont be shy re!

[tolis]

Thanks for the photos filoui mou!

[makinen_fan]

thanks guys, i expect 2 beers from you dimitri :)

[dimviii]

thanks guys, i expect 2 beers from you dimitri :)

4 beers when you come to Greece.

[papar007]

didn t know that these photos were yours!Really good Yiannis! Dont be shy re!

Dont be shy re? F...ing good