[ERC] Rallye du Valais 2013

[arnmar4]

Hello,

do you already have information who will ride.

Thanks

arnmar4

[WUff1]

Breen?
(Kubica????)
(Basso????)


Neither Kopecky, Lappi (will compete in APRC), don´t think Aigner, too (has also completed his mission). Bouffier I´m not sure.

[kober]

(Kubica????)
More likely we'll see him driving a WRC in Wales.

[RS]

(Kubica????)
More likely we'll see him driving a WRC in Wales.

Indeed he is but does this preclude him from Valais?

It would have been nice to see him at least finish one ERC event before getting promoted to a WRC seat :rolleyes:

[bluuford]

lady cup is too tough for him :-P

[Jarek Z]

Kubica may be WRC-2 champion, but for ERC he is simply not good enough :)

[Jarek Z]

Basso says about his chances for Valais here:
http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/1943

[PLuto]

I think that Škoda Motorsport will start in Swiss too :)

[RS]

I think that Škoda Motorsport will start in Swiss too :)

With Lappi?

[Mirek]

Lappi shall be in China according to the press release. We'll see...

[Andrey]

19-year old Russian driver Vasily Gryazin with Ford Fiesta S2000 will be here

[Jarek Z]

According to the official website of ERC Adreas Aigner, Robert Consani and Florian Gonon will be fighting for a group N win in Switzerland:
http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/19 ... home-round (http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/1989/t/Swift-Swiss-set-for-ERC-return-on-home-round)

[Jarek Z]

Breen is in:
http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/20 ... witzerland (http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/2010/t/Breen-determined-to-show-true-ERC-speed-in-Switzerland)
but Bouffier has no budget :(
http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/1999

[Tom206wrc]

According to a french forum member Bouffier is now secured for Valais ;)

[WUff1]

Any news about the final entry list? Just one more week to go ...

[arnmar4]

The entry list will be published on 01.11.2013.

[WUff1]

Thank you!

[Jarek Z]

Entry list on Halloween? What a crazy idea! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Bsmus_wN4

http://www.radiokerry.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Halloween-pumpkin-300x225.jpg

Some rumors from Autoklub.pl:
Peugeot 207 S2000 for Craig Breen, Jeremi Ancian, Jean-Michel Raoux, Gregoire Hotz and Stephane Lefebvre
Skoda Fabia S2000 for Esapekka Lappi, Jaroslav Orsak and the fast Czech Antonin Tlustak
Ford Fiesta S2000 for Wasilij Griazin
Ford Fiesta RRC for Olivier Burri

[Mirek]

Some rumors from Autoklub.pl:
Peugeot 207 S2000 for Craig Breen, Jeremi Ancian, Jean-Michel Raoux, Gregoire Hotz and Stephane Lefebvre
Skoda Fabia S2000 for Esapekka Lappi, Jaroslav Orsak and the fast Czech Antonin Tlustak
Ford Fiesta S2000 for Wasilij Griazin
Ford Fiesta RRC for Olivier Burri

I know it's sarcasm but on the other hand two years a go on Valais Tlus?ák surprised by his best ever performance. Like it was not even him :)

[liposh]

I remember that. It was really AMAZING Maybe (most probably) he has both hands left, but during Valais 2011 he showed he has the heart of real racer.Not all the drivers in rally can say that.

[Jarek Z]

Yes, I remember that. I think he even won a stage with Luca Rossetti. I remember all the confusion here on the forum, nobody knew what was going on :)

Will he repeat it this year?

[arnmar4]

What ist with Breen ????

[arnmar4]

NO Breen official no money !!!!

[Jarek Z]

Is it confirmed?

[Jarek Z]

What ist with Breen ????

He's looking for speed ;)

[WUff1]

According to fiarerc.com Breen is starting - and needs to win in order to still surpass Bouffier in final ERC-standings and become vice champion.
Bouffier is not starting, but one week later he starts at Wales with a DS3 R3T

[RS]

Lappi is doing APRC China but I guess he has enough time to get back for Valais?

[Mirek]

I also heard he would do both.

[PLuto]

NO Breen official no money !!!!

I think correct should be "no Bouffier" :)

[Tom206wrc]

Very happy for Stéphane Lefèbvre !!!! He will switch his 208 R2 for a 207 S2000 in Valais :D

[arnmar4]

Entry List: http://www.riv.ch/fr/le-rallye/informat ... s-engage-s (http://www.riv.ch/fr/le-rallye/informations.html?download=207:liste-des-engage-s)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Summary from CraigBreen.com: :)

Runner-up spot up for grabs on the ERC finale

While the identity of the FIA European Rally Championship winner for 2013 is already known, the battle for the coveted runner-up spot remains wide-open heading to the season finale in Switzerland next month.

After 11 rounds, Bryan Bouffier occupies second spot behind first-placed Jan Kopecký. But with Craig Breen 26 points adrift of Bouffier, it’s still all to play for in the chase for second place.

However, while Breen has long since confirmed his participation on Rallye International du Valais, Bouffier is unable to take part when the event takes place from 7-9 November.

Breen determined to show true ERC speed in Switzerland

Craig Breen will start round 12 of the 2013 FIA European Rally Championship in Switzerland aiming to bounce back from frustrating trips to Poland and Italy recently.

Breen was tipped as a contender for victory on LOTOS 70 Rally Poland and Rallye Sanremo but suffered misfortune on both occasions, slipping behind Bryan Bouffier in the overall ERC standings as a result. He hopes to show his pace and bag a top result on Rallye International du Valais, which takes place between Sion and Martigny from 7-9 November.

“I really wanted to win Sanremo, put in some good stage times and prove to everyone I could do it but it wasn’t to be,” said the Peugeot Rally Academy driver. “In terms of being frustrating, Sanremo was eight out of 10, while Poland was 10 and of 10 so this is not as bad. But now I need to rethink and go again.”

Breen’s challenge for victory in Sanremo was wrecked by an off on the first Ronde night stage that left his Peugeot 207 Super 2000 too badly damaged to continue to the finish of the leg. Although he restarted on day two, steering rack and brake problems hampered his true pace.

[arnmar4]

Rallye du Valais Strong Entry List:


http://www.riv.ch/fr/le-rallye/informat ... s-engage-s (http://www.riv.ch/fr/le-rallye/informations.html?download=207:liste-des-engage-s)[/quote]

[Jarek Z]

Considering the fact that it's the last round, the championship is decided, there are too many rounds in the ERC, Switzerland is an unfriendly country for this sport, it is not a bad entry list. Only one driver is missing - Bryan Bouffier. Without Bouffier it should be easy for Breen to take over the 2nd place in ERC. Second place in Valais should be enough to do it.

[arnmar4]

I do not understand Jarek Z his statement.

The Valais Switzerland or rather is the right country for the sport.
There we were concerned about safety and scenic it is a great rally.

Also the routes are very demanding.

[Jarek Z]

I had a Swiss friend, who told me that there is no interest in rallying among the official car dealers in Switzerland, no big sponsors etc. And I think he is right. It's one of the richest countries in Europe, but half of the entry list are small cars of class 6,8 and 9. It's the country of bankers, isn't it? ;)

[EightGear]

Circuit racing is even forbidden by law in Switzerland.

[PLuto]

I had a Swiss friend, who told me that there is no interest in rallying among the official car dealers in Switzerland, no big sponsors etc. And I think he is right. It's one of the richest countries in Europe, but half of the entry list are small cars of class 6,8 and 9. It's the country of bankers, isn't it? ;)

I dont agree. Entry list there is good, better than in Austria or Germany. And there is also lot of local sponsors, support of local authorities is perfect, lot of spectators too...

[arnmar4]

I agree with pluto

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

I had a Swiss friend, who told me that there is no interest in rallying among the official car dealers in Switzerland, no big sponsors etc. And I think he is right. It's one of the richest countries in Europe, but half of the entry list are small cars of class 6,8 and 9. It's the country of bankers, isn't it? ;)

I dont agree. Entry list there is good, better than in Austria or Germany. And there is also lot of local sponsors, support of local authorities is perfect, lot of spectators too...

Pluto I don´t agree with you, that the entry list from Rally Valais is better than the Jänner Rally´s entry list from this year. Although the date for Jänner Rallye is anything than ideal, they had one of the better entries of this year´s ERC.

[Jarek Z]

Circuit racing is even forbidden by law in Switzerland.

Yes, that's true. Racing was banned in Switzerland in 1955 when the Swiss government declared it to be an unsafe sport.

[PLuto]

Pluto I don´t agree with you, that the entry list from Rally Valais is better than the Jänner Rally´s entry list from this year. Although the date for Jänner Rallye is anything than ideal, they had one of the better entries of this year´s ERC.

If we are talking about local drivers, Valais has better entry than Janner (or Waldviertel)...

[PLuto]

Circuit racing is even forbidden by law in Switzerland.

Yes, that's true. Racing was banned in Switzerland in 1955 when the Swiss government declared it to be an unsafe sport.

The biggest problem is that there is no circuit in Switzerland. So nobody is pushing so much to cancel this law (despite there were some trials in the past).

[EightGear]

Circuit racing is even forbidden by law in Switzerland.

Yes, that's true. Racing was banned in Switzerland in 1955 when the Swiss government declared it to be an unsafe sport.

The biggest problem is that there is no circuit in Switzerland. So nobody is pushing so much to cancel this law (despite there were some trials in the past).

Why would you build a circuit when racing is forbidden..?:) Switzerland used to have circuits, they even had F1 GP's at Bremgarten.

[PLuto]

Why would you build a circuit when racing is forbidden..?:) Switzerland used to have circuits, they even had F1 GP's at Bremgarten.

Yes, but this was classic city circuit (or better to say park circuit), not like special circuits now. And it has finished after this banning.

[liposh]

It is neverending circle. :) No circuits because of that law and no pressure on changing this law because of no circuits.

[Jarek Z]

It's a real Catch-22 indeed :)

[PLuto]

Start list to first leg is available - http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-du-va ... TypeId=394 (http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-du-valais-2013/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=394)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS1 about to start with Craig Breen 1st to go ...

[kober]

Radio ERC is live too.

[Mirek]

First results already available: http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-du-va ... ?ssId=2094 (http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-du-valais-2013/?ssId=2094)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen & Ancien same time ! :eek:

[kober]

First results already available: http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-du-va ... ?ssId=2094 (http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-du-valais-2013/?ssId=2094)
Or a little sooner here (http://ral.fcctiming.net/rallye/chablais/rales.php?rid=219&eta=1&seq=50)

[WRC1]

great time by Aigner....and very poor time from Orsak

[Mirek]

great time by Aigner....and very poor time from Orsak

Orsák had terrible road accident not so long time a go and this is his first stage back in a rallycar. It's also his first stage with S2000 since Monte Carlo 2010...

[WRC1]

aigner is also faster than all the homeboys with S2000...incredible!!!

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

great time by Aigner....and very poor time from Orsak

Hopefully he finally gets a drive for the whole season in a proper car. He would really deserve it.

[RS]

Whoa, what's going on? It's only Thursday!

Quite unusual to have a three day rally in ERC.

[Mirek]

aigner is also faster than all the homeboys with S2000...incredible!!!

22 secs ahead of Gonon on another Impreza. Gonon won this rally in the past...

[WUff1]

great time by Aigner....and very poor time from Orsak

Hopefully he finally gets a drive for the whole season in a proper car. He would really deserve it.

I´d hope for it, too, but I don´t think this will happen ...

Interesting time for Ancian - think he´s fighting for his chance to stay in ERC.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

aigner is also faster than all the homeboys with S2000...incredible!!!

22 secs ahead of Gonon on another Impreza. Gonon won this rally in the past...

That´s almost 2 secs / km faster.

[liposh]

Can anybody tell me how fast are "new" Yokohamas in comparison with "new" Michelins?

[Mirek]

Nobody from here can tell You. I guess the only one who used them so far was Aigner in Sanremo...

Also the tyres don't work same with all cars or driving styles. Definitely it's different with Impreza or S2000 car...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Whats happened to Breen... stopped by Police ?!

[Mirek]

For me neither fcctiming, nor rally-base or fiaerc results work now. WTF?

EDIT: Times appear on rally-base now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Twitter showing times but no Breen...

[Mirek]

Breen 8:54,0

[liposh]

You have to go on official site: http://www.riv.ch and then click at "online timing"

[Mirek]

That one I mentioned - fcctiming. It doesn't work for me (it did during SS1).

[liposh]

when you write only http://ral.fcctiming.net it doesn´t work also for me, so you have to write: http://ral.fcctiming.net/rallye/chablai ... =1&seq=100 (http://ral.fcctiming.net/rallye/chablais/rales.php?rid=219&eta=1&seq=100)

[Mirek]

I'm not stupid...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SS2 Breen finally through and goes fastest. :)

[Mirek]

SS2 Breen finally through and goes fastest. :)

Both Saintéloc crews will pick up a penalty for being late. I expect something like one minute for Breen.

[kober]

Both Saintéloc crews will pick up a penalty for being late. I expect something like one minute for Breen.
Two minutes for Breen, three for Ancian :eek:

[Mirek]

That's a lot but Breen said the penalties may be scrubbed. We'll see...

Anyway really bad times of both in the last stage of today.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Seems there were traffic issues at the start of SS2 ...

Hope the penalties are cancelled.. seems unfair to me.

[Mirek]

Seems there were traffic issues at the start of SS2 ...

Hope the penalties are cancelled.. seems unfair to me.

The others did the same liaison in time. Without knowing exactly what happened we can not say it was unfair. According to Aigner Breen was stopped by police - maybe for speeding.

[mousti]

So Breen was 12 minutes late and Ancian 18? :o

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

So Breen was 12 minutes late and Ancian 18? :o
With the penalties Aigner leads the rally after leg one.

[liposh]

Is there difference between being stopped by police just for routine check and being stopped for speeding? In both cases you are late, but in first case it isn´t your fault. What about penalties in such two cases?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If they were speeding maybe it was as they were delayed by traffic and were trying to catch up...

[WUff1]

Orsak seems to get used to his new car - very good time on SS3

[Hartusvuori]

If they were speeding maybe it was as they were delayed by traffic and were trying to catch up...

You shouldn't be speeding even if been delayed by traffic. Let the organisers do the time benefit in such case.

[kober]

If the penalties are not waved, it will be a major blow to the serious competition ahead :dozey:

[liposh]

Fast Eddie WRC , We all know You are big fan of Craig Breen, but it is a little bit...
http://www.odt.co.nz/files/story/2010/0 ... 420774.jpg (http://www.odt.co.nz/files/story/2010/04/hundreds_of_fans_wait_at_the_international_airport _4139420774.jpg)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If the penalties are not waved, it will be a major blow to the serious competition ahead :dozey:

Yeah Im a Breen fan but the effect on the rally will be a shame too...

The entry hasnt many top drivers as it is...

[mousti]

I think they are screwed..

[Mirek]

If the penalties are not waved, it will be a major blow to the serious competition ahead :dozey:

Switzerland is well know for strict police anti-speeding approach. If that really was the case I can't see the penalties being removed.

[WUff1]

Well in day one report on fiaerc.com, Breen and Ancian still are mentioned with their penalties, Aigner as leader after day one.

[bluuford]

usually there is even additional fine when someone is driving too fast. Stamp penalty is 5 minutes.They should be happy when they can escape with 2 or 3 minutes.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What are the rules regarding being late to a stage ?

Or is it at the stewards discretion ?

Julian Porter (@The_Rally_Guru) tweeted at 7:32 PM on Thu, Nov 07, 2013:
Breen's and Ancian's penalty's are for an early check in at SS3 & is an unfortunate mistake by the co drivers that can't be reversed.

[Mirek]

Being late - for every minute ten seconds penalty
Being early - for every minute one minute penalty

[bluuford]

for those who are interested in regulations regarding speeding in wrc:
20.4.4 For the first infringement other than speeding: a penalty will be applied by the Stewards
.
20.4.5 For the second infringe ment: a 5-minute time penalty.
20.4.6 For the third infringement: exclusion applied only by the Stewards

[Mirek]

Valais is not WRC but I don't want to search in Regional championship regulations ;)

[Jarek Z]

Something must be wrong with Tlustak's car. At the wheel of Fabia S2000 he is behind Citroen DS3 R3T in the standings. Orsak, who drives this car for the first time, is over 30 seconds faster than Tlustak after just 3 stages...

[bluuford]

Valais is not WRC but I don't want to search in Regional championship regulations ;)
Speeding regulations in erc, wrc and regionals are exactly the same

[kober]

Lappi spin (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/13/id/275/t/ERC-VALAIS-Lappi-spin)

Skoda Motorsport's Leg 1 on-boards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKLnj_HrHeg)

[Mirek]

Speeding regulations in erc, wrc and regionals are exactly the same

Thanks, however I think that in ERC it's usually more relaxed. I think that most of the speeding incidents stay between drivers and police without getting to the stewards.

[zajic]

Photos from day 1: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1214

[PLuto]

Something must be wrong with Tlustak's car. At the wheel of Fabia S2000 he is behind Citroen DS3 R3T in the standings. Orsak, who drives this car for the first time, is over 30 seconds faster than Tlustak after just 3 stages...

He had problems in engine for whole first loop, misfire sometimes (especially in high revs), maybe sparking plug.

[PLuto]

Orsak seems to get used to his new car - very good time on SS3

No, he had problems with handbrake, so he must use clean line on stage :D

[PLuto]

What are the rules regarding being late to a stage ?

Or is it at the stewards discretion ?

Julian Porter (@The_Rally_Guru) tweeted at 7:32 PM on Thu, Nov 07, 2013:
Breen's and Ancian's penalty's are for an early check in at SS3 & is an unfortunate mistake by the co drivers that can't be reversed.

I dont think penalties for Breen and Ancian were for early check at SS 3. But... Breen was starting behind Olivier Burri if I remember correct and Jérémi Ancian was starting behind Breen. So Craig should have smaller penalty than Ancian, if we are talking about late arrival to TC 2.

According to my info, both crews were stopped by police on liaison between SS 1 and SS 2. And not because of speeding, but "dangerous driving" (overtaking cars on full line, maybe going on red light on lights). Despite there was very short time for this liaison, big traffic and work on the road (everybody was complaining about it), only Breen and Ancian had problems with penalty. In this case I dont agree with possible cancelling of this penalties. But we will see tomorrow, I will try to check more info about it.

[PLuto]

What are the rules regarding being late to a stage ?

Or is it at the stewards discretion ?

Julian Porter (@The_Rally_Guru) tweeted at 7:32 PM on Thu, Nov 07, 2013:
Breen's and Ancian's penalty's are for an early check in at SS3 & is an unfortunate mistake by the co drivers that can't be reversed.

I dont think penalties for Breen and Ancian were for early check at SS 3. But... Breen was starting behind Olivier Burri if I remember correct and Jérémi Ancian was starting behind Breen. So Craig should have smaller penalty than Ancian, if we are talking about late arrival to TC 2.

According to my info, both crews were stopped by police on liaison between SS 1 and SS 2. And not because of speeding, but "dangerous driving" (overtaking cars on full line, maybe going on red light on lights). Despite there was very short time for this liaison, big traffic and work on the road (everybody was complaining about it), only Breen and Ancian had problems with penalty. In this case I dont agree with possible cancelling of this penalties. But we will see tomorrow, I will try to check more info about it.

Now I have checked, that penalties on TC 2 were really cancelled for Breen and Ancian (I dont agree with this decision !), but both had penalties for early check. So maybe truth found the correct way...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

This rally is another big lesson for Breen (and Vaneste)...there's more to winning rallies than driving fast ...

Better to learn this here that at a more important rally in the future.

[PLuto]

aigner is also faster than all the homeboys with S2000...incredible!!!

22 secs ahead of Gonon on another Impreza. Gonon won this rally in the past...

I think it is his first start with R4. Last year he was starting with S2000 (bad results on Ypres and Barum, good result on Valais) and that was all. I think this is his first start with regular car this year. Till now he was doing only few events with historic Ford Escort RS 2000. And he is not using his regular codriver from previous years, so lot of new things...

[stefanvv]

Lappi spin (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/13/id/275/t/ERC-VALAIS-Lappi-spin)
Tricky place, all top drivers almost spun there

[Mirek]

Power steering problems for Breen.

[bluuford]

Ancian is the surprise of the rally so far. He would be leader by nearly 18 seconds without his penalty

[Jarek Z]

This rally is another big lesson for Breen (and Vaneste)...there's more to winning rallies than driving fast ...


This season in ERC also shows how much more difficult it is to win a rally in ERC than in SWRC. Both Breen and Kubica won SWRC quite easily, but failed to win even a single rally in ERC.

[RS]

[quote="Fast Eddie WRC":24rl1frq]This rally is another big lesson for Breen (and Vaneste)...there's more to winning rallies than driving fast ...


This season in ERC also shows how much more difficult it is to win a rally in ERC than in SWRC. Both Breen and Kubica won SWRC quite easily, but failed to win even a single rally in ERC.[/quote:24rl1frq]

Very true, and that is even with this years ERC, which has not really been up to the standard of past IRC seasons.

[liposh]

Very true, and that is even with this years ERC, which has not really been up to the standard of past IRC seasons.

It reminds me Andreas Mikkelsen and his unsuccessful effort to win tarmac event in IRC. He was IRC master twice and also very fast on tarmac both of those years but he didn´t win even one tarmac event.

[bluuford]

2011 was the last season in SWRC with proper competition. Hänninen, Tänak, evn Prokop was faster with S2000
2012 when Breen won it, then it was total joke. Basically there were 5 drivers only, second position was taken by PG with Proton! Yazeed was third and Paddon with some extremely bad luck was fourth.
2013 is with with very long list of drivers, unfortunately, high quality is missing. Paddon was able to drive 3 rallies only (including technical problems), Ketomaa and Lappi only 1 and 2 rallies.
Hope to see some good quality in 2014 again. Evans, Ketomaa, Kruuda, Lappi, Paddon, Tidemand, Tänak all togehter would make the seires nice and something to follow after 10-15 WRC-s have passed the stages.

[RS]

One of the key advantages making IRC/ERC more competitive is the regulars having to face up to very strong local drivers in top machinery on their home round of the series (ie. Loix on Ypres, Kopecky on Barum, Basso/Andreucci on Sanremo)

[Jarek Z]

One of the key advantages making IRC/ERC more competitive is the regulars having to face up to very strong local drivers in top machinery on their home round of the series (ie. Loix on Ypres, Kopecky on Barum, Basso/Andreucci on Sanremo)

That's exactly why rallying is exciting! It was always like that in the ERC. Too bad this exciting factor was murdered in WRC :(

[Jarek Z]

In the meantime Ancian wins stages 4, 5 and 6. What happened to him all of a sudden?

[bluuford]

He is porbably angry at his co-driver and wants to give him some wild ride;-)

[WUff1]

In the meantime Ancian wins stages 4, 5 and 6. What happened to him all of a sudden?

That´s what I´m asking myself all the time now, too. Surprise of the rally, after he was slow all the year.

[Jarek Z]

He is porbably angry at his co-driver and wants to give him some wild ride;-)

It's good to have a co-driver, that motivates you to drive faster :D

[giù tutto!]

As a co-driver you need to have a big wallet or big balls to use methods like that to push your driver... and maybe prepare yourself to find another ride... :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Photos from day 1: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1214

Fantastic photos, beautiful scenery for a rally, thanks. :)

[AndyRAC]

A pity it's not live on Eurosport, like it was in 2008.

[WUff1]

Photos from day 1: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1214

Fantastic photos, beautiful scenery for a rally, thanks. :)

+1!

[Mirek]

Lappi 31 seconds faster than in first loop!

[giù tutto!]

Maybe they got permission to push.

[HarriK]

Lappi 31 seconds faster than in first loop!

Looking good now!

[Mirek]

Lappi from fiaerc.com


"I had a small headache and took a pink pill, maybe that's the reason! The grip was much better now and I feel good all the time. The headache has gone"

[Mirek]

A pity it's not live on Eurosport, like it was in 2008.

In 2008 there was a stunning onboard section with Nicolas Vouilloz. I think it was the same road like here in the second part of the onboard :vader:

http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... raig-Breen (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/13/id/279/t/ERC-VALAIS-Onboard-with-Craig-Breen)

[Jarek Z]

Lappi from fiaerc.com


"I had a small headache and took a pink pill, maybe that's the reason! The grip was much better now and I feel good all the time. The headache has gone"

So he chose the pink pill and started winning special stages. Are there anti-doping tests in ERC? :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

More stunning photo's here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrall ... 7435797286 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/sets/72157637435797286)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7306/10737930094_674e72cf4f.jpg

[WUff1]

Does anybody know if Aigner can still surpass Delecour in ERC classement? It´s not so easy to estimate with all the bonus points ...

[RICARDO75]

Does anybody know if Aigner can still surpass Delecour in ERC classement? It´s not so easy to estimate with all the bonus points ...

Yes, it´s possible

[Mirek]

Delecour has 75, Aigner 57. Aigner has only two results from second half of the season so he skips nothing. Maximum available points is 25 + 7 + 7 = 39. He needs 18 which is points for second place without any bonuses. So yes, he can.

[WUff1]

Thank You!

[RS]

SS10??

[Mirek]

Results of SS10 are here: http://ral.fcctiming.net/rallye/chablai ... =2&seq=250 (http://ral.fcctiming.net/rallye/chablais/rales.php?rid=219&eta=2&seq=250)

Orsák fastest ahead of Breen, Lappi and Ancian.

[RS]

Thanks. Orsak's times are very variable, but good practice for next year.

[kober]

Ancian won the leg, Lappi second, Aigner third (5 points) ... Breen seventh (1 bonus point). So, second place in the championship is a closed topic for Breen, however Aigner is now just 13 points down on Delecour ... if fourth place in the overall classification does matter at all.

[Mirek]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYkK4cTIEAEXyLK.jpg:large

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYkK4cTIEAEXyLK.jpg:large

nice photo!

[noel157]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYkK4cTIEAEXyLK.jpg:large


Hulluva picture. Ancian I think, no?

[zajic]

Flying Ancian and Gryazin and of course more photos HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1214

[Tom206wrc]

Without his huge penalty Jérémi Ancian would lead an ERC Rally for the first time :eek:

[giù tutto!]

So he is leading the "If"-class...

Probably Lappi has no need to push with maximum attack?

[Jarek Z]

So he is leading the "If"-class...


That's right. He's leading over Breen, who is second in the class of IFs ;)

[giù tutto!]

Plenty of km's still left, Lappi should be aware or he will be in trouble with Aigner. Let's see what is his answer on the next stage.

[Mirek]

Lappi made a mistake on SS12. Overshot a junction and had to reverse.

[giù tutto!]

Ok, but no room for those anymore.

Just a clean run with normal pace should be enough.

[giù tutto!]

Now it looks normal.

[HaCo]

Just saw images from Eurosport HD, this remains one of the nicest rallies in Europe, very nice!

[Tom206wrc]

No more crews after top11 SS13 and still no result for SS14 :confused:

[Mirek]

Aigner crashed!

EDIT: Reports about Burri were probably wrong.

[Mirek]

No more crews after top11 SS13 and still no result for SS14 :confused:

SS11 was stopped due to non-rally related medical assistance.

[arko5]

Ancian stopped?

[Tom206wrc]

Ancian stopped?

And what about Lappi :confused:

[Mirek]

The stage was interrupted and is running again now.

EDIT: Rain started when stage was interrupted (first into the rain was Lappi). Ancian changed tyre in stage...

[Kalm]

Gryazin out, Breen up to third

[Mirek]

Like yesterday again one stunning time from Lappi. It looks like he is only cruising most of the time when he can make 20 seconds in one stage.

[Mirek]

Technical problem of Gryazhin...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYogDReIEAA6QqI.jpg:large

[WUff1]

After last SS Burri stays 8 sec in front of Breen, despite problems with engine. So Bouffier should be vice champion of ERC.

[Co-FIN]

Finnish gravel specialist won his first tarmac rally.. I can see very bright future for him. EP is developing quickly!

[kober]

Great to see Lappi winning a round of ERC again. If Skoda allows him to do eight rallies next year, he will be a true title contender.

[Mirek]

Lappi just confirmed to stay with Škoda for next year.

[RS]

Finnish gravel specialist won his first tarmac rally.. I can see very bright future for him. EP is developing quickly!

Good but don't get carried away.. competition wasn't too great here once Breen and Ancian hit problems.

I hope he is in ERC full time next year so that he can really develop.

[WUff1]

Good rally of Lappi and the Peugeot works drivers. Hope for Lappi Skoda lets him do a full ERC season next year, he made a big development this year, especially in the second half of the season. ERC is better for him than WRC2

[dimviii]

Technical problem of Gryazhin...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYogDReIEAA6QqI.jpg:large

thats like'' the electrical problem''
a rod through the alternator. :p

[mousti]

Bad season end for Lefebvre, last week losing 208 cup title thanks to engine problems. This weekend on last stage retires because going off and having again engine problems.

[kober]

Lappi spin (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/13/id/275/t/ERC-VALAIS-Lappi-spin)
Tricky place, all top drivers almost spun there
And from what I saw on Eurosport's coverage, those two spectators/photographers kept standing there... Talk about living a dangerous life ;)

[Co-FIN]

Finnish gravel specialist won his first tarmac rally.. I can see very bright future for him. EP is developing quickly!

Good but don't get carried away.. competition wasn't too great here once Breen and Ancian hit problems.

I hope he is in ERC full time next year so that he can really develop.

Still win in Tarmac in one of the highest ranked series. If you look it other way, how often french etc. tarmac specials wins ERC like in fifth/sixt gravel rally ever? Like is said, he´s developing quickly he will surely be even faster in future than now.

[kober]

Lappi/Ferm and beautiful mountains (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK_1_cb5gRw)

[RS]

Just watching yesterday's Eurosport coverage, Consani was a very angry man when the wheel fell off his Renault!

[tolis]

In 4 ERC rallies, 2 wins and 1 second place for Lappi! Quite impressive! However, we should bear in mind the low interest for ERC this season!

[RS]

Remember only one of those wins was this season.

But this year one crash, one second, one win... so he got better each time :)

I think Skoda will run him in ERC next year and I guess Kopecky will only do selected rounds plus Fabia R5 development. That way they have an excuse if the R5 cars beat them next year as it can be a "learning year" for Lappi like it was for Breen this year.

Just watched the final day coverage on Eurosport, some very nice footage. Ancian deserved the flatout trophy, good to watch!

I know for some the early date of Janner is an inconvenience, but it means we only have to wait 6 weeks until ERC 2014 :)

[bluuford]

In 4 ERC rallies, 2 wins and 1 second place for Lappi! Quite impressive! However, we should bear in mind the low interest for ERC this season!
3ERC rallies,1 win,1 podium, 1crash

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dare I mention Breen...

Poor performance and bad luck in equal measure here ... and this sums up the 2nd half of the season. :(

He has the speed but needs to cut out the errors and he has a good 2014 ahead.

Plus the R5 cars will be a whole new ball game... :)

[Jafry]

Photos from Valais HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1214

[Mirek]

In 4 ERC rallies, 2 wins and 1 second place for Lappi! Quite impressive! However, we should bear in mind the low interest for ERC this season!
3ERC rallies,1 win,1 podium, 1crash

He counted also Rajd Polski 2012 to his overall ERC record ;)

[Jarek Z]

Dare I mention Breen...

Poor performance and bad luck in equal measure here ... and this sums up the 2nd half of the season. :(

He has the speed but needs to cut out the errors and he has a good 2014 ahead.


After the first day of Valais I thought Breen has no chance to catch Bouffier in the standings. But the last day was quite good for him. He was doing good stage times, finished third overal and lost the 2nd place in ERC just by 3 points!

Breen is very good, but it turned not to be enough for ERC. But he still has great potential and time to learn.

[HaCo]

Remember only one of those wins was this season.

But this year one crash, one second, one win... so he got better each time :)

I think Skoda will run him in ERC next year and I guess Kopecky will only do selected rounds plus Fabia R5 development. That way they have an excuse if the R5 cars beat them next year as it can be a "learning year" for Lappi like it was for Breen this year.

Just watched the final day coverage on Eurosport, some very nice footage. Ancian deserved the flatout trophy, good to watch!

I know for some the early date of Janner is an inconvenience, but it means we only have to wait 6 weeks until ERC 2014 :)

Why was Loix testing the Skoda R5? Any futue plans rumoured?

[RS]

Why was Loix testing the Skoda R5? Any futue plans rumoured?

Not that I have heard..

I guess just because he still has a good connection with Skoda, and he is experienced.

Wasn't Yannick Wilocx (sp?) Loix's engineer before working with Kopecky this year?

[Mirek]

Yes, Yannick met Loix when he drove RGRS Fabia and later Loix brought him to Škoda Motorsport. However Yannick recently left Škoda for Hyundai and as far as I know he was not involved in R5 development because he was "only" a freelancer.

Anyway Loix is respected test driver especially for suspension. He is also closely connected to Reiger I think. If he would be back with some Škoda programe it would be only nice :)

[noel157]

[quote="Fast Eddie WRC":2vjlrb6a]Dare I mention Breen...

Poor performance and bad luck in equal measure here ... and this sums up the 2nd half of the season. :(

He has the speed but needs to cut out the errors and he has a good 2014 ahead.


After the first day of Valais I thought Breen has no chance to catch Bouffier in the standings. But the last day was quite good for him. He was doing good stage times, finished third overal and lost the 2nd place in ERC just by 3 points!

Breen is very good, but it turned not to be enough for ERC. But he still has great potential and time to learn.[/quote:2vjlrb6a]

Yes, not a bad day playing catch-up by Breen.

Still haven't made up my mind just how good he is. Guess we'll see next season, assuming he has a seat.

[kober]

Still haven't made up my mind just how good he is. Guess we'll see next season, assuming he has a seat.
He's a factory driver with a multi-year contract, and has already confirmed to drive 208 R5 in 2014 ERC. So, yes, we'll see next season :)

[Mirek]

In this video there is a lucky escape of Breen from a hit by rear wheel: http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... -in-stages (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/13/id/292/t/ERC-VALAIS-Back-in-stages)

[Jarek Z]

In this video there is a lucky escape of Breen from a hit by rear wheel: http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... -in-stages (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/13/id/292/t/ERC-VALAIS-Back-in-stages)

He escaped by the skin of his teeth indeed!

By the way, that is a very good footage by Eurosport! I'm totally surprised! Finally some very nice dynamic shots from the ground instead of that boring helicopter footage. Way to go!

[stefanvv]

In this video there is a lucky escape of Breen from a hit by rear wheel: http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... -in-stages (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/13/id/292/t/ERC-VALAIS-Back-in-stages)

He escaped by the skin of his teeth indeed!

By the way, that is a very good footage by Eurosport! I'm totally surprised! Finally some very nice dynamic shots from the ground instead of that boring helicopter footage. Way to go!
+1, very nice

[Mirek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnfoi5PQjj4

[Mirek]

Great photo from a friend: http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_ab ... 3cd2c9.jpg (http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_ab0dfeac19acc05de85f00fd353cd2c9.jpg)

[HaCo]

Very nice almost gravel o, asphalt stages!

[Mirek]

It is gravel. There are many gravel sections on stages of Valais.

[Mirek]

https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hph ... 2023_n.jpg (https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q77/s720x720/1426702_602005733198594_1491082023_n.jpg)

[PLuto]

Snowy special stage at Verbier, which was cancelled last year, were not part of Rallye du Valais this year. But during waiting to another stage we have moved there to check the conditions. You can see them on the picture ;)

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q73/s720x720/1450893_10202238430660252_1529172286_n.jpg

[dimviii]

nice photo
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrall ... /lightbox/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/10764110313/lightbox/)

[Jarek Z]

Yes, pure art, can I hang it in my bedroom? ;)

[dimviii]

Yes, pure art, can I hang it in my bedroom? ;)

with 2 beers you can. :p

[Nowi]

My photogallery from Switzerland at http://www.rallylife.cz/erc-rallye-int-du-valais-nowi :)

[rallyelee]

fantastic pics !!!

[dimviii]

very nice photos!

[stefanvv]

Indeed. Big thanks to the photographer

[Plhus]

My photogallery from Switzerland:

http://www.src.czechrallyeweb.net/pages/valais2013.htm