[ERC] Rallye Sanremo 2013

[RS]

About time to start this thread I think.

So no Kopecky but can we expect the "usual" Italian guys at least? (Andreucci, Basso, Scandola)

[Mirek]

Breen, Aigner and Ancian shall be there I think. Hopefully also Bouffier.

[PLuto]

Also Arai and Consani.

[pino]

So disappointed Kopecky won't be there, would have been a great fight against the best Italians :(

[PLuto]

So disappointed Kopecky won't be there, would have been a great fight against the best Italians :(

Kopecky chosen Poland instead of Sanremo...

[RS]

Breen, Aigner and Ancian shall be there I think. Hopefully also Bouffier.

Will Bouffier bother now that the championship is out of reach?

[Mirek]

Will Bouffier bother now that the championship is out of reach?

I think that for him it was realistically always out of reach. In my opinion he is fighting for particular events as he has never had enough resources for the whole season.

[cosmin_sb]

Sebastian Barbu will compete in San Remo with Citroen DS3 R3T

[WUff1]

As nobody mentioned it, Basso and Andreucci, too. Both with 207 S2000.

[dimviii]

nice news!

[PLuto]

Also Elfyn Evans with Fiesta R5 and Esapekka Lappi with Fabia S2000.

[RS]

Lappi with works car?

[PLuto]

Lappi with works car?

Yes

[dimviii]

hard work for all of them against the old fox.Ucci hasn t got any problem about Italian championship points if i remember correct.

[pucky54]

hard work for all of them against the old fox.Ucci hasn t got any problem about Italian championship points if i remember correct.

Giando neither ;)

[dimviii]

much better! :skull:

[RS]

Best entrylist of the year? But sadly without the champion...

[WUff1]

Best entrylist of the year? But sadly without the champion...

Yes, best entry list - like IRC ...

[Mirek]

Yes, best entry list - like IRC ...

Where is the list?

[Jarek Z]

Yes, best entry list - like IRC ...

Where is the list?

In Wuff1's dreams ;)

[tommeke_B]

By the way, why does Sanremo not have a decent website? If you can organize an event on ERC-level, a decent website doesn't make a big difference in costs, right?

[Jarek Z]

That's right. Italian rally websites are often not very sophisticated. The only good thing about the official Sanremo wesbite is this great photo of Basso :)

http://www.acisanremo.it/rallysanremo/immagini/basso.jpg

[WUff1]

Yes, best entry list - like IRC ...

Where is the list?

In Wuff1's dreams ;)

Maybe ;) But I´m just summing up the postings in this thread ;)

[WUff1]

Entry list is online:

http://www.acisanremo.it/rallysanremo/d ... ritti%2055 (http://www.acisanremo.it/rallysanremo/documenti/Iscritti%2055)°%20Sanremo%202013%20ERC%20CIR.pdf

[Tom206wrc]

Entry list is online:

http://www.acisanremo.it/rallysanremo/d ... rrenti.htm (http://www.acisanremo.it/rallysanremo/documenti/concorrenti.htm)


I corrected your link ;)

Edit: I don't undestand: they give a 207 S2000 in SR to the winner of R3C class in IRCup(so to a Renault Clio driver) ??? :confused:
In this case maybe Andrea Crugnola ??? :p:

[Mirek]

Nice list. Good that Škoda didn't skip the round letting Peugeot alone. Even without Kopecký Lappi can be a nice addition if he doesn't crash again like he has been doing all the time recently.

[pucky54]

Edit: I don't undestand: they give a 207 S2000 in SR to the winner of R3C class in IRCup(so to a Renault Clio driver) ??? :confused:

They also did last year with Albertini and he finished 4th overall ;)

[vino_93]

wasn't there a price for the winner of an European Fiesta R2 Trophy too ? (but was it run ?)

[Mirek]

wasn't there a price for the winner of an European Fiesta R2 Trophy too ? (but was it run ?)

That was canceled because only three crews entered before Tour de Corse...

[pucky54]

wasn't there a price for the winner of an European Fiesta R2 Trophy too ? (but was it run ?)

Fiesta Trophy was cancelled!

Looks like we will see Crugnola in the Twister 207 and Scattolon in the GIMA Clio R3?!?!?!

[Tom206wrc]

Latest news: Crugnola chose not to drive the 207 but his usual Twingo !!!! :mark:

[pucky54]

Latest news: Crugnola chose not to drive the 207 but his usual Twingo !!!! :mark:

Yeah, same for Scattolon. Big shame!!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen will be up for it in SanRemo after his disappointing show in Poland. He should go well after winning the CMR Flat-out Trophy here last year.


From his website:
'A determined Breen stated after the Poland result that there would be no stone unturned until he understood what and where the problem was last time out and to that end he has been working on reviewing the incar footage and stage times to find answers.

Craig's comments: "I firstly want to congratulate Jan (Kopecky) on securing the championship on Rally Croatia. Jan was always going to be my main rival this season and he has had super year and richly deserves his championship win. Coming back to myself, directly after Rally Poland I dissected every piece of incar to find out where I'd lost my previous pace and after spending some time I've determined it was a combination of the unusual conditions and my first time to take on the event. I'm delighted now to have Sanremo come up next. After competing there last year it gives me the ideal opportunity to bounce back. I know the championship is out of reach now but my priority now is to continue with my build up to competing in a full season next year. We have two more events before the end of the season and I want to do my best on both."

[Tom206wrc]

First pictures of the event ;)
http://www.rallylink.it/diretteweb/inde ... -immagini/ (http://www.rallylink.it/diretteweb/index.php/sanremo-immagini/)

[Co-driven]

Breen will be up for it in SanRemo after his disappointing show in Poland. He should go well after winning the CMR Flat-out Trophy here last year.


From his website:
'A determined Breen stated after the Poland result that there would be no stone unturned until he understood what and where the problem was last time out and to that end he has been working on reviewing the incar footage and stage times to find answers.

Craig's comments: "I firstly want to congratulate Jan (Kopecky) on securing the championship on Rally Croatia. Jan was always going to be my main rival this season and he has had super year and richly deserves his championship win. Coming back to myself, directly after Rally Poland I dissected every piece of incar to find out where I'd lost my previous pace and after spending some time I've determined it was a combination of the unusual conditions and my first time to take on the event. I'm delighted now to have Sanremo come up next. After competing there last year it gives me the ideal opportunity to bounce back. I know the championship is out of reach now but my priority now is to continue with my build up to competing in a full season next year. We have two more events before the end of the season and I want to do my best on both."

Breen will be again with Vanneste?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes, he's still with Vanneste..

Hopefully they will work better together this time. But I expect Nagle to rejoin him next season.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No Shakedown info through yet ? Thought it was at 12.00 today ?

[WRC1]

No Shakedown info through yet ? Thought it was at 12.00 today ?

where are the Italien members?? Shakedown times anyone??

[RICARDO75]

Crews that will not start
n.20 Marco Cavigioli, (will start at Sanremo Leggenda with Mitsubishi Evo IX)
n.22 Germain Bonnefis - Renault Megane RS (not recovered from the accident in Croatia)
n.43 Anton Titov - Citroën DS3 R3T

[RICARDO75]

Lappi on shakedown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpWyInkeGMs

[kober]

No live TV? Shame ;)

Also, and unfortunately, the 55-km Ronde night stage has been chopped (http://www.fiaerc.com/news/detail/id/1824/t/Ronde-revamp-will-still-test-ERC-aces-in-Sanremo). Pity.

[WUff1]

Lappi on shakedown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpWyInkeGMs

Some guys again in dangerous viewing positions ... but obviously no public viewing zone on shakedown?

[liposh]

There will be some live reports from finish of several stages on official ACI CSAI websites. But just report with interview.Better than nothing. :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

SD video ..

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=yout ... 3Dyoutu.be (http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=BRqWJArVWY0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DBRqWJArVWY0%26feature%3 Dyoutu.be)

[RS]

Any times from shakedown?

What can we expect from Scandola here? He is Italian Champion but is it because he was the fastest, or because he was the most reliable or entered the most rounds? (I didn't follow the Italian Championship this year)

I expect Bouffier to be the only one capable of taking the challenge to the Italians here.

[Mirek]

Scandola was fastest in most occasions but that was probably because Andreucci usually drove only R2 and Basso after several crashes disappeared from the championship.

[zajic]

Photos from SD HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1206

[rage82]

Crews that will not start
n.20 Marco Cavigioli, (will start at Sanremo Leggenda with Mitsubishi Evo IX)
n.22 Germain Bonnefis - Renault Megane RS (not recovered from the accident in Croatia)
n.43 Anton Titov - Citroën DS3 R3T
Anton Titov crashed his Citroen last week-end on rally Stari Stolici, the last round of Bulgarian rally championship.

[Jarek Z]

For the ones wondering wondering where Kubica is - in Sanremo :)
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2 ... 4ba222.jpg (http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1206/1206_robert_kubica_ef2f4ba222.jpg)

[makinen_fan]

Smt is wrong with fiaerc.com website, (http://www.fiaerc.com/events/live/id/12) they have the itinerary that the event goes from Friday to Monday :dozey:
Is this correct?

[Mirek]

Correct timetable is for example here: http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/soubor.php?f=15076

The rally is only Friday+Saturday

[makinen_fan]

Correct timetable is for example here: http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/soubor.php?f=15076

The rally is only Friday+Saturday

thanks Mirek

PS, what the deal with SS4 and SS4 bis, why not SS5. First time I see smt like this in a timetable :confused:

[liposh]

PS, what the deal with SS4 and SS4 bis, why not SS5. First time I see smt like this in a timetable :confused:

The SS4 Ronde has been parted because of safety, You know this fact, right? And why is the second part called SS4 bis? I think Italians just wanted to save the time and save the work with correcting second page of itinerary. :D Sad but most probably true.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No shakedown times then... oh well, it'll make it more exciting when the real rally starts...

Hope its a close battle.

Any weather news ?

[Mirek]

The SS4 Ronde has been parted because of safety, You know this fact, right? And why is the second part called SS4 bis? I think Italians just wanted to save the time and save the work with correcting second page of itinerary. :D Sad but most probably true.

You can not change numbers of stages one day before rally and after recce! Those are used everywhere, in road books for example. It would be one huge mess.

[liposh]

BTW: Today at 15:10 CET you can watch live coverage from finish of SS2 : http://www.sportube.tv/onair/st5.php (just interviews etc.)

[makinen_fan]

It makes sense then. I didn't know about the splitting of SS4 to two parts as I haven't follow this thread closely. Thanks guys

[WUff1]

No live timing on fiaerc.com? First drivers must have finished SS 1 already ...

[Medved]

Results - http://www.cronoimperia.it/joomla/image ... index.html (http://www.cronoimperia.it/joomla/images/Classifiche_2013/Automobilismo/RallyeSanremo/index.html)

[WUff1]

Thank You!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Im getting the times via Twitter... so easy.

Bouffier fastest.

FIA ERC (@FIAERC) tweeted at 2:03 PM on Fri, Oct 11, 2013:
#FIAERC Rallye Sanremo overall so far after SS1 : Bouffier 9:10.2, Basso +1.9, Scandola +5.9, Andreucci +5.9, Breen +6.1, Lappi +9.5, ...
(https://twitter.com/FIAERC/status/388651003995648000)

[bluuford]

Here its OK as well: http://rally-base.com/2013/rallye-sanremo-2013/

[Mirek]

Scandola fastest on stage 2, getting to second place overall.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen needs to up his pace to stay with the locals & Bouffier...

[WUff1]

Breen needs to up his pace to stay with the locals & Bouffier...

Yes, rather dissapointing start again ... I wonder where he has lost his top-speed of the first half of the season.

[rage82]

Bouffier with an accident and is loosing the first place. He said that he can make it to the service.

[WUff1]

Consani (and Gryazin?) out

After Bouffier´s accident fight for 2nd position in ERC gets thrilling.

[dimviii]

Lappi + 40 sec after 3 stages.Cant understnt why they still burning money at him.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen (16:14.0) after SS3. "I just can't push, it's a weird feeling. Seems linked to the tyre temperatures" :(

[Mirek]

Where is Ancian?

[EightGear]

Where is Ancian?
That's what I'm asking myself the whole year.

[RS]

Lappi + 40 sec after 3 stages.Cant understnt why they still burning money at him.

Because Finns told us he was faster than god?

But don't be too harsh, he has little tarmac or international experience. They should have put him in ERC this year, WRC2 is fairly useless and APRC worse for developing a driver.

[Mirek]

But don't be too harsh, he has little tarmac or international experience. They should have put him in ERC this year, WRC2 is fairly useless and APRC worse for developing a driver.

Still for me his season is a clear disappointment. First problem is that he was crashing all the time everywhere he started. Second that he didn't win APRC where the only opposition was his teammate Gaurav Gill while the whole series is held on gravel. Gill is the champion now. Who would guess that before the season? third is that I heard he was not going very well along with other people in Škoda.

[WUff1]

Well maybe we´ll see another driver in a works skoda next year?

[RS]

That's a shame if Lappi has an attitude problem. Maybe overhyped at home and expecting everything on a plate?

Maybe he could be the new Anton Alen?

[dimviii]

Lappi + 40 sec after 3 stages.Cant understnt why they still burning money at him.

Because Finns told us he was faster than god?

But don't be too harsh, he has little tarmac or international experience. They should have put him in ERC this year, WRC2 is fairly useless and APRC worse for developing a driver.
i am not harsh mate.No talent was clear when he was competing against Salo and N4 cars.Pitty that a works seat was ''busy'' while a dozent of real talents were almost with 1-2 drives a year.
How Lappi took the place at Skoda?

[Jarek Z]

Maybe he could be the new Anton Alen?

What was the problem with Anton Alen? Do you know anything? Why did he disappear so quickly?

[Jarek Z]

Where is Ancian?

Technical problem - alternator before SS 3 :(

[RS]

Maybe he could be the new Anton Alen?

What was the problem with Anton Alen? Do you know anything? Why did he disappear so quickly?

He crashed a lot with the Fiat and seemed to be quite unprofessional with the team/media. I guess no manufacturer or sponsor would want to touch him after that.

[RS]

i am not harsh mate.No talent was clear when he was competing against Salo and N4 cars.Pitty that a works seat was ''busy'' while a dozent of real talents were almost with 1-2 drives a year.
How Lappi took the place at Skoda?

I confess I didn't follow his early career. So how did he get this label "faster than god"?

How Lappi took the place at Skoda? I guess because

a) He is Finnish
b) His management is the same as Mikkelsen's
c) VW asked them to?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Guys, how is this for weird...

Im in work and the next two cases Im dealing with, their surnames are Mr Breen and Mr Craig !!! :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

I didn't expect Gabriele Cogni to become main contender of Andrea Crugnola in R2 :)

[dimviii]

b !!

did i won some beers?

[RS]

I predict a push from Basso on the night stages..

[dimviii]

Andreucci and Scandola on Pirellis.

[giù tutto!]

Buonasera i tutti!

Well, Sanremo has been always easy as apple pie for a first timer...

Everyone remember when Juho was there at first time and after first three stages (41.04km) he was +53,9secs behind the leading man, who was Paolo Andreucci (surprise!). So Hanninen was 1,32 s/km slower.

Today Lappi, after first three stages (52.49km), is +40,6secs behind the leader, who is Paolo Andreucci again. Rating by seconds/km he is 0,77 slower, so is he really doing so badly as you are thinking?

"Faster than god" was a very stupid idea from the Finnish media, it has nothing to do with the driver himself. Also comparing him to Alen Jr is quite strange, these two guys are not at the same level. Lappi has shown pure speed, but when has Alen Jr shown something?

And what comes to his attitude, well, there is always two sides of the story. Maybe there would be room for a development at the both sides...

By the way, when there will be a driver from abroad, who beats Andreucci, Scandola, Basso and all the other fast local drivers in his/her first time at Sanremo, it would be better to sign that driver immediately.

[Ucci]

well, IMO Andreucci surprised, indeed he has local advantage, but do not forget, he will be 49 years old next year, most of direct rivals could be his sons....I'm afraid he will not be able to drive so fast on both night specials....

[dimviii]

Buonasera i tutti!

Well, Sanremo has been always easy as apple pie for a first timer...
for some yes it was.For somebody else NOT.


Everyone remember when Juho was there at first time and after first three stages (41.04km) he was +53,9secs behind the leading man, who was Paolo Andreucci (surprise!). So Hanninen was 1,32 s/km slower.

Today Lappi, after first three stages (52.49km), is +40,6secs behind the leader, who is Paolo Andreucci again. Rating by seconds/km he is 0,77 slower, so is he really doing so badly as you are thinking?.
Yes it is so bad.Are you happy for this result (till now),cause Hanninen did the same in a different year?


"Faster than god" was a very stupid idea from the Finnish media, it has nothing to do with the driver himself. Also comparing him to Alen Jr is quite strange, these two guys are not at the same level. Lappi has shown pure speed, but when has Alen Jr shown something?
where did you see that pure speed?


And what comes to his attitude, well, there is always two sides of the story. Maybe there would be room for a development at the both sides...
the other side is Skoda that has to develop?


By the way, when there will be a driver from abroad, who beats Andreucci, Scandola, Basso and all the other fast local drivers in his/her first time at Sanremo, it would be better to sign that driver immediately.

Meeke,Vouilloz.

[Hartusvuori]

I wouldn't write off Lappi just yet, but it's true this year has been fairly disappointing, especially when compared to 2012 when he won almost every event he attended. Being faster than God... Well, he was once, on the first run of Ouninpohja last year he beat Ogier. That equals faster than God :-) And don't tell me Lappi as a Finn would've had some kind of home advantage. On two previous occasions Ogier fought for the victory of the event.

Considering Lappi, what've been evident this year is the fact he's still a rookie. This is his 5th year in the sport I think. He has absolutely not that international experience yet to be fighting on the victories pf the major events such as Sanremo. He has of course made a handful of mistakes this year starting from Monte Carlo. But he has too somehow been a victim of circumstances too, meaning poor management. He should've run more in Europe, to recce and run the major events and collect that experience. Instead, he was pushed to APRC because of team politics. Earlier this year he should've been entered to Sweden, him still being the most experienced S2000 driver on snow at the moment. He would not have needed the experience on the surface, but on the event and the series. For Finland he had to go for a car outside works team. That Skoda was clearly not in the best shape as we not Lappi either because of it. On the latter half of the year he has finally been given the tarmac starts he so badly needs. Zlin and Sanremo just aren't the easiest places to start... And it is really, really difficult to believe he would have personality problems, but of course I don't know him personally. Only watching Lappi-Ferm onboards is like watching stand up comedy. Being a Finn though is a burden he can't shake off his shoulders, that I admit.

[giù tutto!]

[quote=giù tutto!]Buonasera i tutti!

Well, Sanremo has been always easy as apple pie for a first timer...
for some yes it was.For somebody else NOT.


Everyone remember when Juho was there at first time and after first three stages (41.04km) he was +53,9secs behind the leading man, who was Paolo Andreucci (surprise!). So Hanninen was 1,32 s/km slower.

Today Lappi, after first three stages (52.49km), is +40,6secs behind the leader, who is Paolo Andreucci again. Rating by seconds/km he is 0,77 slower, so is he really doing so badly as you are thinking?.
Yes it is so bad.Are you happy for this result (till now),cause Hanninen did the same in a different year?

No I'm not happy. But it's not the end of the world. IMO he is worth for burn the money.


"Faster than god" was a very stupid idea from the Finnish media, it has nothing to do with the driver himself. Also comparing him to Alen Jr is quite strange, these two guys are not at the same level. Lappi has shown pure speed, but when has Alen Jr shown something?
where did you see that pure speed?

Rally Finland 2012 ss17 Ouninpohja. If that is not a pure speed, I would like to hear the correct definition.


And what comes to his attitude, well, there is always two sides of the story. Maybe there would be room for a development at the both sides...
the other side is Skoda that has to develop?

Why not? When you are happy with your status, development ends.


By the way, when there will be a driver from abroad, who beats Andreucci, Scandola, Basso and all the other fast local drivers in his/her first time at Sanremo, it would be better to sign that driver immediately.

Meeke,Vouilloz.[/quote:7qw8glkz]

Yes, Meeke won in 2009, but that wasn't his first time at Sanremo. And what was the year when Vouilloz won all the locals?

[liposh]

I think Lappi is OK and next year it could be better. We will see. Please give him more time. I still think it is good move from Skoda. Well, this season wasn´t his best but anyway he showed his speed on both surfaces and there wasn´t any pressure on him in APRC because Gill did it safe way and finally won the title. And because Lappi did some mistakes I expect him to take San Remo also "safe way" , just learn and finish the rally. BTW. Meeke was 30 years old and 4 seasons JWRC-contender when he won San Remo, Lappi is 22 y.o. for God sake.

[dimviii]

No I'm not happy. But it's not the end of the world. IMO he is worth for burn the money.

imho he is not.There are much more faster guys out there that worth works seats.




Rally Finland 2012 ss17 Ouninpohja. If that is not a pure speed, I would like to hear the correct definition.

Lappi was enough fast last year at Norf,but it was inside his homeland. In Greece evo grN have won over Basso at erc.Plenty of these examples for every country/rally.
His speed must be seen outside his country,against fast drivers.if not there is a problem,after so many rallies,and testing kms with works support.






Why not? When you are happy with your status, development ends.

[quote="giù tutto!":29bk19a1]

dont sure what you mean.

Yes, Meeke won in 2009, but that wasn't his first time at Sanremo. And what was the year when Vouilloz won all the locals?[/quote:29bk19a1]
Yes Meeke was at 2003 too with an Opel corsa and retired.6 years behind.You really think that is an advantage?
Vouilloz didn t won all locals,but won stages,and at most stages was vey close to locals.Something that Lappi cant do with works car and support.Vouilloz finished 29,8 sec behind Rosseti and Basso at his first attempt.
So Meeke won,and Voulloz could play with top locals won stages and finished 3rd half minute close to leader.

Lappi is not a slow driver,but if he wants to evolute,must speed up a lot.I dont see any progress this year at all.

[RS]

Remember when Juho started with Skoda he had a few accidents and was slow on tarmac...

[liposh]

Remember when Juho started with Skoda he had a few accidents and was slow on tarmac...
...and when he had opportunity to show his speed on beloved gravel, russian policemen confiscated his driving licence after first day of Rally Russia because of speeding. :D Old good times.

[dimviii]

Ucci again faster at ss4
http://www.fiaerc.com/events/live/id/12

Unconfirmed report that Breen is changing a wheel in the stage.

Paolo ANDREUCCI (PEUGEOT)
"There is a fog in my glasses.. lol

[dimviii]

Esapekka LAPPI (SKODA)
"I think he (Breen) was immedaitely when the narrow part starts on the second stage of today, I think he hit the wall. I think the rear wheel is off and there were black tracks on the tarmac. Neither grip was better, but the time was fine, I am happy. We decide to continue without mistakes."

[dimviii]

Bouffier faster!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Breen accident or wheel change... :(

[WUff1]

Perico and Albertini missing too?!

EDIT: OK, Perico through stage, Albertini too. Bouffier should at least surpass Albertini on Ronde second part.

[Tom206wrc]

Craig and Lara...no !!! ;(

[WUff1]

Breen out! Broken suspension ...

EDIT: Obviously also problems for Danzinger - even slower than Breen on SS 4 part 1.

[dimviii]

?igner 1 minute slower from Campedelli.....wanted to save his brakes...
Another very fast driver (at his begining)who didn t manage to progress.

[dimviii]

Paolo ANDREUCCI (PEUGEOT)
Small damage to the front bumper of the car - "I take a fox in my front left. A fox I hit, I try to go on the right but the fox did not stop."

said the old fox :D

[Mirek]

Gasperetti with Mégane is light years faster than Aigner and all other production crews. Have to say it's a surprise for me.

[dimviii]

Gasperetti with Mégane is light years faster than Aigner and all other production crews. Have to say it's a surprise for me.

Mirek Aigner is very slow.Gasperetti is 1,20 min slower from Campedellis ds3

[Mirek]

On these stages the light 2WD were often faster than heavy 4WD production cars... hard to judge.

Finally a good time of Lappi.

So both works Peugeots out after four stages. Even withou Kopecký they are not able to take some points. Quite pathetic season for them...

[WUff1]

Aigner goes for PC championship title and drives tactically because of his brakes I believe. Arai is even slower.

EDIT: Bouffier already on fourth position again - not bad.

[Mirek]

Aigner goes for PC championship title and drives tactically because of his brakes I believe. Arai is even slower.

Orsák will not drive anymore this season and Bonnefis probably too. Aigner's title shall be secure...

[Tom206wrc]

Very good time from Gabriele Cogni in the R2 class :)
I really feared Crugnola would be unreachable if not someone like Bouffier in the 208 but finally I was wrong ;)

[Jarek Z]

i am not harsh mate.No talent was clear when he was competing against Salo and N4 cars.Pitty that a works seat was ''busy'' while a dozent of real talents were almost with 1-2 drives a year.
How Lappi took the place at Skoda?

I confess I didn't follow his early career. So how did he get this label "faster than god"?


It seems they give this label automatically to everyone who wins Finnish championship ;)

[Rallyper]

If you dont practice, you don´t get anywhere. Finnish drivers try to practice on any surface any time and they get somewhere. Understand?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Disappointment for Breen but the experience will be good in the long run..

Hard rally for anyone and needs plenty of attempts to get right.

Hope he can set some better times tomorrow.

[Mirek]

Accident of Bouffier
http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... ffier-hits (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/12/id/258/t/ERC-SANREMO-Bouffier-hits)

Only Italians in this video but it's still nice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQa8-am9k4Q

[giù tutto!]

i am not harsh mate.No talent was clear when he was competing against Salo and N4 cars.Pitty that a works seat was ''busy'' while a dozent of real talents were almost with 1-2 drives a year.
How Lappi took the place at Skoda?

I confess I didn't follow his early career. So how did he get this label "faster than god"?


It seems they give this label automatically to everyone who wins Finnish championship ;)

Many Finns are still stuck with memories from last century.

[WUff1]

Scandola lost a lot of time on SS 6 (more than 4 min) - puncture?

[Mirek]

Campedelli out...

[giù tutto!]

Puncture for Scandola, front left. Buccato e peccato.

Pity for Campedelli also.

[Mirek]

Scandola continues to loose time. Maybe some damage from the puncture?

Seems like Bouffier can attack second place and Lappi fourth. Will be interesting :)

[wwbroe]

Bouffier is going like a rocket, back into third overall allready and threatening Basso for second. At this speed even Andreucci is not save yet. :eek:

[giù tutto!]

Scandola's engine is overheating.

[Tom206wrc]

Fantastic pace by Bouffier this saturday morning :cool:

[AndyRAC]

Bouffier is on a mission......

[Hartusvuori]

Many Finns are still stuck with memories from last century.

I've seen reference to God with Lappi but it sure as hell as couldn't have come from Finnish rallying media, because that thing hardly exist. Or rallying in Finnish media, that exists even less. It's work of some others imagination. Yes, last year Lappi dominated the whole Finnish championship in a way no one has in past ten years, but that hasn't been speed reference in years. His Rally Finland performance was a speed reference. Not every Finnish champ is been declared a God. You must understand in Finnish rallying community our championship is the least popular and much loathed. And not without a reason. One thing, lack of money, which means the talents that still pop up here from time to time, but they can't afford to go 4wd or further. That's why there's much better competition in other series and judging by number of spectators, they are more popular too. Actually, there's now discussion on whether FRC should go BRC style with R3s and R2s only.

This is Sanremo thread and this must be something you've heard too many times before, but it's annoying how you guys still think we Finns (the fans) would keep our head in the clouds for what our drivers have acchieved in the past. Well, Finland still is the most successful rallying country in terms of World Champions, but we very well recognize it's been more than 10 years now since the last title.

[giù tutto!]

Perico told that he saw Andreucci stopped at stage.

[wwbroe]

What, the leader out of the race???

[giù tutto!]

From FIAERC site:

Andreucci:
"Left rear damaged, just in front of the rear wheel. "I have a puncture, before the start, we have seen one tyre is down slow the pressure, we have to change the tyre." After he changed the tyre, he forgot that the tyre was cold and had a spin." +9.42,9

[wwbroe]

Damn, ther goes my pickem :( On the other hand, we can have Bouffier in big fight with Basso. :)

[WUff1]

It never was so clear at this time of the rally who will win the Colin Mc Rae Flatout Trophy ... great race of Bouffier - and thrilling fight for win ahead.

Sorry for Andreucci and Scandola - this seems not to be the rally of the Italian stars.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Excellent performance by Bouffier - great fight back after yesterday, really taking the battle to the Italians !
Can he beat Basso in the last 3 stages ? I think so.

Also, some better times by Craig Breen this morning, showing he does have decent speed. :)

[WUff1]

Yes, Breen is doing ok today. Think it is important for his self-confidence. Also Lappi is doing OK, for his non-experience on tarmac.

[liposh]

Is Alessandro Re son of Felice Re? Or are they in some relationship?

[Tom206wrc]

So gutted for Ucci ;(

[Mirek]

Is Alessandro Re son of Felice Re? Or are they in some relationship?

Yes, he is son of Felice.

[Mirek]

Accident of Breen on the onboard
http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... -to-retire (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/12/id/261/t/ERC-SANREMO-Breen-forced-to-retire)

Onboard of Andreucci
http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... ci-onboard (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/12/id/262/t/ERC-SANREMO-Andreucci-onboard)

[A FONDO]

I think Basso is just waiting him to crash. He can easily put him ~10 seconds on any of these ~20 km stages, if needed.

[dimviii]

at morning 3 stages Bouffier took 28 seconds from Basso.Lets see how Basso can react with a car he dont feel confidence.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bouffier would be in the lead if he hadn't lost 1 min on SS3 ...
He has been fastest on most stages and was only 47 sec behind leader Andreucci when he had his problem...

But then Basso has to take credit for having not damaged his car at all while keeping a quick pace.

[WUff1]

Well Basso showed he could still strike back on SS 8 ;-) It´won´t be easy for Bouffier to beat him on the last remaining two stages.

[A FONDO]

delete

[RS]

It's going to be a grandstand finish!

[Mirek]

Massive time from Bouffeir now! Last stage will decide. Also between Perico and Lappi.

Onboards of Lappi from leg 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9NAawmelOI

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bouffier takes 13s back on SS10... game on ! :bounce:

[focus206]

What a thrilling end! :eek: I wish we had live coverage for this rally...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So many problems for Breen this rally - poor tyre grip, some small bumps, puncture, steering rack, now brake issues ...

"Yeah, we didn't push because we lost the brakes at 3-4 km to the end. It's just not my weekend" ...

You can say that again !! :hmph:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

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[Mirek]

Danilo Ameglio must be crazy. Now 9th overall with Peugeot 206 XS...

[WUff1]

It's going to be a grandstand finish!

unbelievable, just 7 sec left .... 3rd time this year a big finish after Jänner and Corse, thanks to Bouffier!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Danilo Ameglio must be crazy. Now 9th overall with Peugeot 206 XS...

WTF... how does that beat R3 & R4 cars and even an S2000 ! :eek:

[Mirek]

Danilo Ameglio must be crazy. Now 9th overall with Peugeot 206 XS...

WTF... how does that beat R3 & R4 cars and even an S2000 ! :eek:

And he has also 40 seconds penalty...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

NOOOOOOOOOOO Bouffier stopped !! :eek:

[dimviii]

Danilo Ameglio must be crazy. Now 9th overall with Peugeot 206 XS...

WTF... how does that beat R3 & R4 cars and even an S2000 ! :eek:

And he has also 40 seconds penalty...

its a 206 kit car
http://www.rallylink.it/diretteweb/inde ... ento-parco (http://www.rallylink.it/diretteweb/index.php/sanremo-immagini/category/77-mercoledi-allestimento-parco)

[Mirek]

Pity the times are soooo slow to come. Several cars are in finish for some time already...


its a 206 kit car
http://www.rallylink.it/diretteweb/inde ... ento-parco (http://www.rallylink.it/diretteweb/index.php/sanremo-immagini/category/77-mercoledi-allestimento-parco)

Thanks

[RS]

Puncture for Bouffier :(

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Basso wins - congrats.

Great pace & no mistakes is how you win in SanRemo.

[RS]

Win for Basso, second for Lappi and a stage win.

Congrats to Basso. I think Bouffier was faster here but nice to see Basso win anyhow, I hope it will help him with his budget for next year.

But if Bouffier doesn't get a WRC seat I really hope to see him with a good ERC programme next year in an R5 car!

[WUff1]

NOOOOOOOOOOO Bouffier stopped !! :eek:

He´s classified, should come in on top ten, but what a shame.

[A FONDO]

So lots of noise for nothing. Only 1 man reached the end.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So lots of noise for nothing. Only 1 man reached the end.

No it shows how tough this rally is in just 10 stages.

Shame for Bouffier but he did a mistake on SS3 and Basso didnt do any.

[Mirek]

Win for Basso, second for Lappi and a stage win.

Where is time of Perico? I can't see it in any results yet...

EDIT: I see now on ERC website they have him :)

OK, congrats also to Lappi for first major asphalt stage win. He did big progress during the rally!

[WUff1]

Win for Basso, second for Lappi and a stage win.

Where is time of Perico? I can't see it in any results yet...

EDIT: I see now on ERC website they have him :)

OK, congrats also to Lappi for first major asphalt stage win. He did big progress during the rally!

finishing second is also not bad for Lappi.

Basso was not the fastest, but the most stable driver. Really bad luck for Bouffier, missing podium for just 6 seconds. But I hope he gets a WRC(2) deal or a good ERC deal next near, at least some WRC-rallies in the 3rd Hyundai. For ERC 2014 it is not good if he (and probably Kopecky) get lost!

[Hartusvuori]

So the poor Finn came second without mistakes and fastest time on the last stage. Okey, he lost by a lot, but I think this was exactly what he was asked to do.

[RS]

OK, congrats also to Lappi for first major asphalt stage win. He did big progress during the rally!

Did he really though?

I guess Basso eased off once he heard Bouffier had punctured.

[stefanvv]

OK, congrats also to Lappi for first major asphalt stage win. He did big progress during the rally!

Did he really though?

I guess Basso eased off once he heard Bouffier had punctured.
Basso seemed surprised at the end, I guess didn't know
EDIT: his time was better than first pass

[dimviii]

OK, congrats also to Lappi for first major asphalt stage win. He did big progress during the rally!

Did he really though?

I guess Basso eased off once he heard Bouffier had punctured.

+1

Lappi was 0,5 to 1,2 sec/km slower.I dont see any progress.

[liposh]

Lappi did good job.He was near Perico and he was avoiding any mistaskes, because he wasn´t able to catch Basso etc. and at the last stage he accelerated, won the stage and overtake Perico and he is second. What else do you want from 22-years old finnish gravel driver? Think about it. Think about yourself.

[Mirek]

I guess Basso eased off once he heard Bouffier had punctured.


+1

No, Basso didn't know that. He came to finish after Bouffier and was surprised.

His time was 3 seconds faster than in first run. Perico was 1 seconds slower in second run while he was in direct fight for second place. Breen was 3 seconds faster than in first run. Lappi's time was 13 seconds faster than in first run.


Accident of Andreucci. He was very lucky!

http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/deta ... -crash.mov (http://www.fiaerc.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/12/id/265/t/ERC-SANREMO-Andreucci-crash.mov)

[dimviii]

Mirek when i said 0,5-1,2 sec/km i was talking about all stages except last one.

[dimviii]

Lappi did good job.He was near Perico and he was avoiding any mistaskes, because he wasn´t able to catch Basso etc. and at the last stage he accelerated, won the stage and overtake Perico and he is second. What else do you want from 22-years old finnish gravel driver? Think about it. Think about yourself.

if Skoda is ok with almost 2 minutes behind the winner(who wasn t the fastest crew of the rally) and with 0,5-1,2 sec/km is ok for me.Also didn t understant about the gravel driver.Skoda is searchng gravel drivers?

[Mirek]

I think they are OK with a performance like today. For Škoda 2015 is important, not now. For Lappi 2013 was clear learning year, nothing more.

[giù tutto!]

Complimenti Giandomenico e Mitia!

Congrats to Lappi & Ferm also! From my point of view Finns did good job. They shown progress during the rally, set one fastest stage time and finished the event to the podium. What else can you ask? For sure you can win all the stages and beat everyone by five minutes overall, but that's not reality for 22 y/o driver in his 7th tarmac rally.

If the progress will continue like this, there will be something good for him in the future.

Pity for Bouffier, Andreucci and Breen but it's a part of this game.

[Tom206wrc]

Very gutted by Bouffier's unluck ;(

[Rallyper]

If you dont practice, you don´t get anywhere. Finnish drivers try to practice on any surface any time and they get somewhere. Understand?

So everyone, I did say finns can come somewhere if they practice. I do believe Mr Lappi had som good practice today, excuse me, yesterday it was...

[Mirek]

Very nice video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWHUYXPWs_s

[zajic]

My photos from Sanremo HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1206