UPS - Universal Points System

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UPS - Universal Points System.

What is UPS? It is easy like X=Y/Z, where
X - UPS participant's (driver's, team's) points;
Y - participant's total driven distance in a season (number of races);
Z - participant's average finish position in a season.

UPS is like type of Power Ranking based on Distance & Average Finish.

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Some good examples in MS Racing History.

1950 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
561 = L`Fagioli 2130 / 3,8
490 = N`Farina 2059 / 4,2
283 = JM`Fangio 1978 / 7,0
248 = L`Rosier 1659 / 6,7
199 = P`Etancelin 1750 / 8,8

1953 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
930 = M`Hawthorn 3535 / 3,8
845 = A`Ascari 3549 / 4,2
582 = N`Farina 3028 / 5,2
441 = L`Villoresi 3263 / 7,4
435 = JM`Fangio 2781 / 6,4

1956 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
562 = J`Behra 2865 / 5,1
465 = JM`Fangio 2650 / 5,7
403 = P`Collins 2540 / 6,3
313 = S`Moss 2317 / 7,4
312 = C`Perdisa 1716 / 5,5

1958 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
788 = M`Hawthorn 3310 / 4,2
440 = R`Salvadori 2903 / 6,6
358 = H`Schell 2896 / 8,1
283 = P`Hill 1555 / 5,5
262 = S`Moss 2225 / 8,5

1960 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
669 = B`McLaren 2744 / 4,1
597 = J`Brabham 2687 / 4,5
435 = P`Hill 3042 / 7
427 = W`vonTrips 2991 / 7
402 = I`Ireland 2453 / 6,1

1964 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
645 = R`Ginther 3546 / 5,5
423 = G`Hill 2877 / 6,8
347 = L`Bandini 2601 / 7,5
340 = J`Clark 2820 / 8,3
330 = D`Gurney 2903 / 8,8

1965 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
1052 = G`Hill 3577 / 3,4
491 = J`Clark 2604 / 5,3
422 = J`Stewart 2828 / 6,7
402 = D`Gurney 2814 / 7
367 = L`Bandini 3119 / 8,5

1968 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
645 = J`Stewart 3353 / 5,2
470 = D`Hulme 3288 / 7
430 = G`Hill 2968 / 6,9
371 = B`McLaren 3009 / 8,1
361 = J`Siffert 3142 / 8,7

1970 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
541 = C`Regazzoni 2704 / 5
482 = D`Hulme 3134 / 6,5
418 = H`Pescarolo 3682 / 8,8
399 = C`Amon 3392 / 8,5
379 = J`Brabham 3450 / 9,1

1972 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
521 = D`Hulme 3437 / 6,6
485 = E`Fittipaldi 3296 / 6,8
399 = P`Revson 2671 / 6,7
363 = J`Stewart 2866 / 7,9
374 = R`Peterson 3364 / 9

1974 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
663 = C`Regazzoni 4178 / 6,3
595 = E`Fittipaldi 3986 / 6,7
452 = J`Scheckter 3885 / 8,6
394 = P`dePailler 3935 / 10
321 = D`Hulme 3501 / 10,9

1976 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
645 = J`Scheckter 4320 / 6,7
535 = J`Hunt 3962 / 7,4
467 = N`Lauda 3313,5 / 7,1
460 = C`Regazzoni 4000 / 8,7
440 = T`Pryce 4228 / 9,6

1978 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
535 = J`Laffite 4391 / 8,2
503 = C`Reutemann 4179 / 8,3
483 = M`Andretti 3914 / 8,1
401 = R`Peterson 3208 / 8
361 = G`Villeneuve 3867 / 10,7

1981 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
574 = C`Reutemann 3848 / 6,7
512 = N`Piquet 3734 / 7,3
448 = A`Jones 3720 / 8,3
442 = J`Watson 3671 / 8,3
353 = J`Laffite 3211 / 9,1

1983 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
591 = A`Prost 3961 / 6,7
545 = N`Piquet 3870 / 7,1
464 = R`Arnoux 3666 / 7,9
431 = K`Rosberg 4007 / 9,3
365 = P`Tambay 3542 / 9,7

1988 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
1237 = A`Prost 4453 / 3,6
1167 = A`Senna 4550 / 3,9
554 = T`Boutsen 4375 / 7,9
386 = G`Berger 3708 / 9,6
351 = D`Warwick 3796 / 10,8

1989 Formula 1 season UPS Top-3 standings:
773 = A`Prost 4175 / 5,4
434 = R`Patrese 3993 / 9,2
403 = A`Senna 3708 / 9,2

1990 Formula 1 season UPS Top-6 standings:
617 = N`Piquet 4256 / 6,9
576 = G`Berger 4263 / 7,4
574 = A`Prost 3958 / 6,9
563 = A`Senna 3996 / 7,1
450 = R`Patrese 4142 / 9,2
382 = N`Mansell 3899 / 10,2

1994 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
760 = D`Hill 4258 / 5,6
745 = M`Schumacher 3872 / 5,2
457 = O`Panis 4529 / 9,9
353 = C`Fittipaldi 4131 / 11,7
303 = M`Hakkinen 3237 / 10,7

1996 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
917 = J`Villeneuve 4493 / 4,9
843 = D`Hill 4044 / 4,8
579 = M`Hakkinen 4281 / 7,4
549 = J`Alesi 3841 / 7
521 = M`Schumacher 3593 / 6,9

1997 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
651 = M`Schumacher 4233 / 6,5
621 = J`Alesi 4599 / 7,4
602 = J`Villeneuve 4155 / 6,9
549 = G`Berger 3897 / 7,1
461 = HH`Frentzen 3869 / 8,4

1998 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
918 = M`Schumacher 4313 / 4,7
838 = M`Hakkinen 4020 / 4,8
701 = E`Irvine 4279 / 6,1
623 = D`Coulthard 4049 / 6,5
598 = J`Villeneuve 4424 / 7,4

1999 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
1225 = E`Irvine 4778 / 3,9
708 = HH`Frentzen 4463 / 6,3
632 = M`Hakkinen 4044 / 6,4
590 = M`Schumacher 2537 / 4,3
549 = R`Schumacher 4060 / 7,4

2007 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
1287 = L`Hamilton 5018 / 3,9
1263 = F`Alonso 5050 / 4
1136 = K`Raikkonen 4772 / 4,2
895 = F`Massa 4832 / 5,4
757 = N`Heidfeld 4997 / 6,6

2008 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
1010 = L`Hamilton 5254 / 5,2
932 = R`Kubica 5311 / 5,7
846 = F`Massa 5160 / 6,1
841 = N`Heidfeld 5464 / 6,5
733 = K`Raikkonen 5133 / 7

2010 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
1062 = F`Alonso 5736 / 5,4
909 = S`Vettel 5456 / 6
872 = M`Webber 5322 / 6,1
833 = J`Button 5334 / 6,4
803 = L`Hamilton 5142 / 6,4

2012 Formula 1 season UPS Top-5 standings:
1128 = S`Vettel 5923 / 5,25
1116 = K`Raikkonen 6083 / 5,45
1052 = F`Alonso 5472 / 5,2
747 = M`Webber 5751 / 7,7
716 = F`Massa 6014 / 8,4

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Interesting. But I think the reasoning is somehow flawed. There is no way that anyone can say that in 1953 Hawthorn had a better season than Ascari who won 5 of the 8 championship races. Or Behra who never won a championship GP in his whole career coming top in 1956. I think it favours consistency over success which may be appropriate for a manufacturer but not for a driver.

Shouldn't the number of starters figure somewhere? For example in the early fities 15th at Monaco was second last while 15th at the Nurburgring or britain could be in the top half of the field.

How do you handle different definitions of finishing positions over the years? Take Monza 1953 for example: by today's rules Ascari would have been 3rd not 17th or 20th.

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Oke. Anyone can say anything just by nature of our nature. The question is how our words are connected with real facts.
1953:
930 = M`Hawthorn 3535 / 3,8
845 = A`Ascari 3549 / 4,2
Both drivers have almost equal distance, but MH has better average finish than AA. How was it possible if AA won 5/8?
Easy! MH was very constant like in Darar rally or Le Mans 24h race. But AA had some problems with poor races - finishes.
We all know, any driver can lead all race, but retire by any reason and have poor race. Same with AA losing by UPS to MH.
1956
Same story. Jean Behra was fast + super-consistent, but Fangio was super-fast but not consistent. JMF had problems, JB not.
Consistensy is a fact easy measured by numbers. And "success" is just a fairy-tale, it is more illusion, etc than real facts.
And UPS is much better for drivers standings - not for teams, motors, etc. Why? Easy explanation.
Driver can control cars - be hard or smooth, gamble for win / retire -or- take safe good finish.
If cars are really super-fast it is more likely thanx to team, motor, engineers, tyres, etc.
Any top-driver in slow-car will definately loose a season to slow-driver in top-car.

Number of starters can make UPS just a bit more accurate, but a way more complicated. So it makes no sense.
Explanation: if any drivers wanna race any race - they are free to race. If they wanna miss any race - they are free to miss.

1953 Monza? Any points system can have some odd-looking races. Ideal system is illusion. Good systems just have few odds.
This UPS is very good for the whole season like over-view. Just for 1 race we do not need any system at all - Dakar & Le Mans 24.

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Real fact (1) In 1953 Hawthorn was a junior driver in the Ferrari team. He would have been instructed to conserve his car and drive for a finish. If necessary his car would be available for the team leader (Ascari) or other senior driver if he ran into difficulties.
Real fact (2) In 1953 Ascari completed the second half of a sequence of 9 consecutive championship grand prix wins. A record that has never been matched.

There is no way that Hawthorn's performance in 1953 can be considered superior to Ascari's which means that the fundamental logic underlying your parameter is incorrect. It clearly considers consistent finishing to be more important than winning. Remember that the primary objective of competing in a race is to win, not simply to finish.

Please don't introduce this ridiculous meaningless system to any more threads.

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Hi D-Type. Thanx for 2 real facts, besides I already know both for long time.
Real fact #3 - in 1996 junior driver JV won by UPS over Damon Hill.
9 wins in a row for AA is cool, just like 9 poles or best laps in a row.
But if any driver has 9 wins + 9 DNF while another driver has 9+9=18 runner-up (2nd) finishes - Another driver is good for season title, and "win+dnf" NO good.

Anybody can "consider" anything they wanna to. This means fundamental Logic is by Numbers, not by any "considers".
And, yes. Consistent finishing (Distance) & Average Finish Place is way better (by facts) than In-consistent "winning & dnf or loosing".
We do remember that to win a Race is not to win a Season. Just like leading most races is not winning all or any of them.
Single race in a season is equla to single lap in a race. Any driver "winning" 9 laps in a row, but then dnf - is a loser. And consittant + fast = season winner.

Please, do not introduce this "ridiculous meaningless" flame to any more posts. We deal it?

P.S. Just like you stopped in 1953 and 1956 and have no chance to see the all picture - to compare all season from 1958 to 2012. We deal it too?

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I see no point in looking at further examples. Clearly your "UPS" system gives results totally different from commonly held opinions.

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Hi D-Type. Thanx for easy story here. IMHO your last "no point" post would be even better as first post in this UPS topic.
Clearly, your good-w-ill is so huge, you just deny to got the whole UPS idea, but wanna be fast at arguing ASAP for no good.
Yes, true. UPS gives results not "totally" but just "another way" from so called common (old as mammoth) opinions. So what?
Common opinions are often just common illusion. Just like mid-age idea than Earth is the center, and Sun is just like slave.
BTW, Nascar new points system (1 points = 1 place) is one of the best (logic + accuracy) in today's world. And F1 is much worse.