Busch Series without Buschwackers

[RaikkonenRules]

What do you think the Busch Series would be like without Buschwackers. Would the racing be better or worse.

[dont_be_jack]

Worse. A whole lot worse. Remember when they ran at Martinsville last year and it was a wreckfest even with the Cup regulars? Yea, imagine that every week. The Cup drivers need to be there to teach the few who are working their way up how to actually drive.

[harvick#1]

do you know why there are so many buschwackers.

because the cup teams don't need a new young driver.

you look at Hendrick, RCR, Joe Gibbs, Roush, DEI, Yates, Penske, Evernham and they don't need a new young driver for a program, they all already have young talented drivers.

so why have other young guys who don't have as much exprience wreck alot of the Busch cars out of the stable.

I don't think the racing will be much worse, as you will still see great racing.

[RaikkonenRules]

...and more drivers running every race. Think there are only about 15 drivers running the whole schedule this year.

[tstran17_88]

I hate this topic with a passion. When has there ever been a Busch race without the so-called Buschwhackers entered into it?

When I first started watching Nascar years ago, drivers like Davey Allison, Dale Jarrett, Harry Gant & Darrell Waltrip were flying up to the Milwaukee Mile from Daytona on a red eye to race in a Busch race.

(Back then...Robbie Reiser was driving the #17 in the Busch races)

[RaikkonenRules]

Nazerath and Milwaulkee in 2004 only had Greg Biffle entered out of the Cup Regulars and that was only because he was a full timer.

[NASCARWidow]

In the early 90's the tracks had what was called Promoters' Options and they used them to invite a couple of Cup drivers to the race and assure them of a start. They wanted a couple of big names to put butts in the seats. No one has a problem with a couple of Cup drivers being entered into Busch races but when the field has 25 or more Cup drivers, it loses it's identity and becomes mini Cup. There have been some great drivers who never went to Cup and made the Busch Series their home for their entire career. They made for good races. That's what we need again, but it's never gonna happen. The cost has gotten too great partly because the Superteams brought their big money to the series, so unless the Cup teams that have Busch teams will put a non Cup driver in their cars fulltime, we'll be stuck with what we've got until the series folds. A lot of people love it because they get to see some of the bigger names at a lower price, but many longtime fans find it boring to watch the haves beat up on the have nots week in and week out.

[RaikkonenRules]

Excatly my point NASCARWidow. :up:

[BFK9INC]

No BuschWackers=no tv ratings and $$$ talks.

[BenRoethig]

The busch series was much better when you had the occasional cup driver entering the field and a bunch of busch regulars. A driver could make a living outside of cup so you had a bunch of Busch veterans.. I really want to
see the seven race rule extended backwards.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Busch used to have the regulars only dealing with Cup Drivers doing some one off efforts with small teams. Now Roush and everyone else uses it as an opportunity to expand their reach, money and influence and get some track time to help the Cup efforts indirectly. I would have to say NASCAR is the ONLY racing organization in the world that has the top drivers playing down in the "triple A" ranks on a regular basis. You don't see F1 drivers playing in GP2, or other OW drivers running around running Atlantic or Formula Fords.

I think at some point, Busch has to stand on its own. Craftsman Truck seems to, with ex Cup drivers being part of the culture. Busch right now is a mix of Cup guys with a few up and coming drivers and a couple of never wills.....and I just don't get that excited about it. Give me a support series with its own culture, and I could become a fan....

[RaikkonenRules]

Here's a suggested Busch field without Cup Drivers.

Finch Racing #1 Randy LaJoie? Not like he has anything better.

RCR #2 Whatever happened to Brandon Miller? #21 Timmothy Peters full time #29 Scott Wimmer full time

Hendrick #5 Justin Labonte #24 Dennis Setzer full time

Rousch #6 Eric Darnell #16 Todd Kluever #60 Travis Kvapil

Joe Gibbs #18 Brad Coleman #19 Kevin Conway #20 Aric Almiorola

KHI #33 Cale Gale #77 Kertus Davis

Ganasi #41 Maybe Ashton Lewis until Bryan Clausan is old enougth to drive #42 Kevin Hamlin

MWR #99 Joey Miller

Braun Racing #10 John Andretti or Chad Blount

Brewco #27 Jason Keller full time. #37 Casey Atwood?

Rensi #25 Richard Johns full time

Fitz Racing #22 Carlos Contreras?

Jay Robinson #28 Robert Richardson full time

[tstran17_88]

Nazerath and Milwaulkee in 2004 only had Greg Biffle entered out of the Cup Regulars and that was only because he was a full timer.For what it's worth...Johnny "the weapon" Sauter ran Milwaukee in 2004 and was considered full time in Cup, until he got the axe by RCR.

[call_me_andrew]

No BuschWackers=no tv ratings and $$$ talks.

If the series was on life support, there would be 20 doom & gloom threads going on right now. Mark knows what I'm talking about.

[harvick#1]

the Nashville race was excellent until Edwards took over.

Edwards has already won the championship, he will now easily shatter Harvick's record for most points won by. but noone is running full-time with equipment and exprience of his. Its sort of sad to see Edwards just make the Busch series look like a joke.

I would like to see Nascar down sice the amount of cost for the Busch series and Nascar finally put their foot down and tell the Nextel Cup guys a 5 race limit in Busch series races, the Nextel cup crew chief and crew can't field a car with their Nextel Cup driver

[NoFender]

I think Cup drivers in a Busch race make it look like a joke. I can see a big race, like maybe a road course, or even Daytona ,Dega, or Bristol, but every race except maybe 3 or 4 is just crazy. If I were a Busch only team, I'd sue.