R3 Cars

[Sulland]

Following the R2 thread today.

If most parts of 208 R2 can make up a R2 DS3, then maybe the 208 can borrow most parts from the DS3 R3?

[Sulland]

Any news on when Renault Expect to start testing their new Clio 4 R3T, or have they already started?

[Gordini]

Since 2.0 is out, they need to build the 4 clio into rally car. Does Tom206wrc know status?

[RICARDO75]

http://www.rallyes.net/renault-sport-desarrolla-un-nuevo-coche-para-la-categoria-wrc3/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Rallyes+%28Rallyes.net%29

[kober]

Have the following been modified?
R3C - 1600 to 2000 cm^3, 1080 kg (petrol, normally aspirated)
R3T - up to 1620 cm^3, 1080 kg (petrol, turbocharged)
R3D - up to 2000 cm^3, 1150 kg (turbodiesel)

The current Clio R3 is R3C, and the new one will be R3T, as is DS3 R3, right?
Has any cars been homologated in R3D yet?

[Mirek]

Have the following been modified?
R3C - 1600 to 2000 cm^3, 1080 kg (petrol, normally aspirated)
R3T - up to 1620 cm^3, 1080 kg (petrol, turbocharged)
R3D - up to 2000 cm^3, 1150 kg (turbodiesel)

Good question. You can guess for which manufacturer the rules were changed :)

It's Renault, the new Clio RS is equipped with 1618 ccm engine.


The current Clio R3 is R3C, and the new one will be R3T, as is DS3 R3, right?

Yes


Has any cars been homologated in R3D yet?

Abarth Grance Punto in 2007 but it was an unsuccessful car.

[kober]

Any other R3 cars then:
- Renault Clio R3C, R3T (future),
- Honda Civic R3C,
- Abarth Punto R3D, 500 R3T,
- Peugeot 207 R3T,
- Citroen DS3 R3T,
?

[Sulland]

Has any cars been homologated in R3D yet?

In Germany they have had a Diesel cup for some years, so they have a few national homologated cars.
More info here: http://www.hjs-drm.de/

[Mirek]

Any other R3 cars then:
- Renault Clio R3C, R3T (future),
- Honda Civic R3C,
- Abarth Punto R3D, 500 R3T,
- Peugeot 207 R3T,
- Citroen DS3 R3T,
?

There was a rumor that Toyota was preparing GT-86 R3C, so was a rumor about Ford Fiesta R3T. Nothing officially confirmed though.

[makinen_fan]

Guys, just a question that came to my mind when I was watching Korhonen's onboard from Rally Yorkshire. What is the reasoning that FIA allows paddle shift gearboxes for this class and not WRC and R5 cars?

[Mirek]

R3 cars don't have hydraulic gear-shifting. They use pneumatic or electric system. I don't know if that is forbidden for WRC cars too. Citroën is the only one in R3 who keeps using it. Honda/JAS abandoned that because of low reliability of their system.

[makinen_fan]

Thanks for that, I thought they were hydraulic system as the old WRCars. Do you know if Kubica's system is hydraulic (slowed down) or is it similar to the R3T system?

[Mirek]

I'm not sure but I think that it's hydraulic for Kubica.

[Sulland]

Could M-Sport put the R5 engine into the R2 chassis, and class it as R3T?

What is needed to change on engine and chassis for them to make a R3T Fiesta?

[HaCo]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/in ... index.html (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2013/11/09/toyota-macht-ernst-in-sachen-gt86/index.html)

If I understand correctly another year before we see the R3 in action. No word on the R5 :(

[kober]

An RWD R3 should be entertaining to watch, I hope some other manufacturers will pick up the idea too :)

Unfortunately, the model is not really suitable for R5 - if Toyota ever wanted to build such a car, they would rather choose a sub-compact.

[dimviii]

http://www.wrc.com/news/toyota-unveils- ... ?fid=19348 (http://www.wrc.com/news/toyota-unveils-new-wrc-eligible-rally-car/?fid=19348)

[OldF]

Could M-Sport put the R5 engine into the R2 chassis, and class it as R3T?

Technically yes. M-Sport has homologated both the Fiesta R2 (1.6 NA engine) and Fiesta R3T (1.6 turbo engine). By the specific regulations same engine parts can be homologated in both R3T and R5. Pistons, connecting rods, flywheel, crankshaft etc. Not having the homologating regulations there could be some differences in what it means to homologate for an example the pistons. Same weight and materials for both R3T and R5?


What is needed to change on engine and chassis for them to make a R3T Fiesta?

The difference between the R3T and R5 is the restrictor size which means different mapping as you probably know. By the specific regulations there’s no different in the chassis of a R2 and R3T except the 5-gear gearbox for R2 and 6-gear gearbox for R3T.

I think M-Sport has been busy with the R5 project and don’t having recourses to develop a R3T yet.

[Sulland]

Thanks for the claryfication OldF, maybe MSport will speed up if JWRC will go R3??

[kober]

Thanks for the claryfication OldF, maybe MSport will speed up if JWRC will go R3??
If JWRC switched to R3, what would be the point of WRC3?

[PLuto]

Thanks for the claryfication OldF, maybe MSport will speed up if JWRC will go R3??
If JWRC switched to R3, what would be the point of WRC3?

Only one point of WRC3 was to fight against ERC 2WD...

[hofmannr]

Hi everyone, I've been reading the forum for a while but never replied before. I guess now it's a good time since I've got some pictures of the new Clio R3T that's being developed by RS at the moment. Homologation is scheduled for 1 July 2014 (whereas DS3 Max R3T is scheduled for 1 March 2014).

Check them out:

http://i.imgur.com/W9s2y6Q.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Co7P2Ew.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0YPSSF3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TwyNg05.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5R0DCdT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2lqVNMC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0ELO0qV.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Ej1NQTy.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Y1joTir.jpg


Album link:
http://imgur.com/a/eyIHn/


I really like it so far!

[Mirek]

Thnaks!

[dimviii]

nice first post! thanks!

[dimviii]

nothing new,just some photos i haven t see.

http://www.zougla.gr/automoto/article/i ... oyota-gt86 (http://www.zougla.gr/automoto/article/i-agonistiki-ekdosi-tou-toyota-gt86)

[Andre Oliveira]

Not rally car, circuit races.

[hofmannr]

Andre the pictures I uploaded are not from the Cup version. They are from an official Clio 4 R3T rally test (I thought the gravel was enough evidence :rolleyes: )

For reference, this is the Cup version:

http://i.imgur.com/DgRNrPa.jpg?1

[TheFlyingTuga]

It's a bit strange that they're making a 5-door version of it!

[Mirek]

There is no 3-door new Clio.

[Andre Oliveira]

Andre the pictures I uploaded are not from the Cup version. They are from an official Clio 4 R3T rally test (I thought the gravel was enough evidence :rolleyes: )

For reference, this is the Cup version:

http://i.imgur.com/DgRNrPa.jpg?1

My coment was reply to Toyota pics :D

[TheFlyingTuga]

There is no 3-door new Clio.

Ups, my bad! I'm don't like it's design (probably have to get use to it like the Megane II)so I don't look to much to them, but the back doors are really in shape with the body! Didn't notice their all 5-doors!

Thanks for the correction Mirek

[Mirek]

I did the same mistake few weeks a go and was corrected as well ;)

[Sulland]

Thanks for the claryfication OldF, maybe MSport will speed up if JWRC will go R3??
If JWRC switched to R3, what would be the point of WRC3?

Only one point of WRC3 was to fight against ERC 2WD...

And the age limit in JWRC, so older FWD drivers can participate in a World Championship!

[hofmannr]

New image
http://i.imgur.com/yfYNA0X.jpg

[dimviii]

https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/563173_10150423301729977_194286801_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1459326_10150423301734977_1810159080_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1422443_10150423301779977_349040448_n.jpg

[dimviii]

1618 cm3 turbocharged engine Clio RS 200 EDC is specifically adapted to the competition by the Renault Sport engineers. The kit includes a box sequential six-speed with manual transmission, paddle shifters will be offered as an option on the asphalt release. Renault Sport Technologies is based on reputable suppliers to provide a consistent and reliable clients all: Sadev for the gearbox, Sachs dampers, PFC brakes and Cosworth for the electronic management.
"With Clio RS R3T, our goal is to provide an efficient, reliable and usable vehicle on any surface for an operating cost lower than the product replaced," said Arnaud Boulanger, Director of Marketing, Renault Sport Technologies. "The success of the first generation Clio RS R3 has reinforced our belief that this approach is particularly suited to the demands of our customers. This category has enabled Renault Sport to locate and shine in many markets, including outside Europe with cars operating in Asia-Pacific, Latin America and Oceania. "
"The first tests are promising and long development campaign is scheduled before the approval of the kit. The hands of many drivers, Clio RS R3T roll over ten weeks on land and asphalt to determine the best options. "
The approval is scheduled early in the second half of 2014.

http://media.renaultsport.com/Renault-S ... ml?lang=fr (http://media.renaultsport.com/Renault-Sport-Technologies,3136.html?lang=fr)

[Mirek]

One thing from the article which took my attention - Renault sold 373 Clio R3!

[makinen_fan]

Sebastien Chardonnet posted in fb that he test the new DS3 R3 Max. Do we know what are the differences with the current DS3 R3?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 6956_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/988436_612383342130548_795226956_n.jpg)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 214&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=612383342130548&set=a.346089215426630.70260.339103376125214&type=1)

[Mirek]

Cllio R3T asphalt testing
http://www.autosportfoto.sk/spravodajstvo/clanok/predstavujeme-clio-renaultsport-r3t-foto

[JTGANG]

Cllio R3T asphalt testing
http://www.autosportfoto.sk/spravodajstvo/clanok/predstavujeme-clio-renaultsport-r3t-foto

Happy holidays to everybody....

Do we know who is testing ????

[Micke_VOC]

So finally first DS3 R3T to Sweden..
Philip Haag will use a DS3 in Swedish Chmpionship...
http://translate.google.se/translate?sl ... 2F&act=url (http://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorsport4sale.com%2Fnyheter%2 Fphilip-haag-forst-med-citroen-ds3-r3-i-sverige%2F&act=url)

[mousti]

(whereas DS3 Max R3T is scheduled for 1 March 2014).

Isn't it already homologated? Or is Chardonnet just promoting the DS3 R3t Max with that livery?

[RICARDO75]

(whereas DS3 Max R3T is scheduled for 1 March 2014).

Isn't it already homologated? Or is Chardonnet just promoting the DS3 R3t Max with that livery?


I think it's DS3 Max. A friend told me that an evolution of engine and other parts would be homologated in January.
In this video at 5:25 it's possible to hear the sound of Chardonet car. It's diferent from the normal DS3 R3T.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSTefD_Qz4g#t=328

[mousti]

(whereas DS3 Max R3T is scheduled for 1 March 2014).

Isn't it already homologated? Or is Chardonnet just promoting the DS3 R3t Max with that livery?


I think it's DS3 Max. A friend told me that an evolution of engine and other parts would be homologated in January.
In this video at 5:25 it's possible to hear the sound of Chardonet car. It's diferent from the normal DS3 R3T.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSTefD_Qz4g#t=328
Interesting..

Inside the car: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeHvjTIIMAAslC3.jpg

Chardo at his: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9feZQbYq ... e=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9feZQbYq_eo&feature=youtu.be)

[Juha_Koo]

Completely different sound... Interesting!

[RICARDO75]

DS3 R3T Max for customers ready in May.

[Abarth]

Is the Ds3 Max approved by Fia yet?

[PLuto]

Pierre Campana and Clio R3T

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii_a9OofCMQ

[RICARDO75]

Is the Ds3 Max approved by Fia yet?

Well, if he did Monte Carlo, it must be approved.
At Citroën JWRC during the Rally of Portugal I knew that the car would be available for sale from May and what was new in DS3 Max

[RICARDO75]

another video from Clio R3T
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGybnEy2bUU

[hofmannr]

another video from Clio R3T
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGybnEy2bUU

Is it just me or does the engine "rattle" too much? (I can't help but feel there's something wrong with the engine noise)

[RICARDO75]

Clio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Xuzb7JUDg&hd=1

[dimviii]

Chardonnet clio r3 max
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lHLCLgDgww

[pantealex]

Chardonnet clio r3 max
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lHLCLgDgww

It´s not Clio ;)

[dimviii]

yep,Its a ds3 r3 max.

[makinen_fan]

Juha Korhonen will debut the Clio R3T in Scotland this weekend

https://www.rallies.info/webentry/2014/scottisha/entries.php?type=s

http://www.renaultsport.com/Renault-Clio-R3T-the-beginning-of.html

[HaCo]

Juha Korhonen will debut the Clio R3T in Scotland this weekend

https://www.rallies.info/webentry/2014/scottisha/entries.php?type=s

http://www.renaultsport.com/Renault-Clio-R3T-the-beginning-of.html


Looking forward to that. Pitty we didn't see one in Ypres. Ypres was different without Princen in a Renault this year.

[mousti]

Didn't know it was already homologated.. Or has the zero car there not to be a homologated car?

[Mirek]

Zero car may not be homologated.

Anyway... 242 Hp and 480 Nm ???

[dimviii]

Zero car may not be homologated.

Anyway... 242 Hp and 480 Nm ???

they installed turbo from megane rs n4,so its possible.

[mousti]

Chris Ingram tested it today:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10204090417083225

[makinen_fan]

Zero car may not be homologated.

Anyway... 242 Hp and 480 Nm ???

How does this compare to DS3 ?

[mousti]

210 HP and 350 NM

But that's for the DS3 R3t not the Max one, don't find specs of the Max yet..

Another vid https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152064449421503

[Mirek]

210 HP and 350 NM

But that's for the DS3 R3t not the Max one, don't find specs of the Max yet..

These figures are pretty old and I believe granted with stock fuel. I don't know real recent numbers with racing fuel.

[makinen_fan]

Longer video with Chris Ingram testing the Clio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLx9tuv__nI&app=desktop

[HaCo]

Really looking forward to this one:
https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/10344290_798761570157128_608055543884815198_o.jpg

Our engineers have been working away in secret over the past months to develop our GT86 CS-R3 rally car. But it will not stay secret for much longer! Soon we will have the first preview images of the car, but for now we are pleased to reveal the CS-R3 logo. Stay tuned for more info about this RWD rally car for rally enthusiasts.

[Sulland]

How is the Clio R3T doing on the debut? Any unoficial times, or report from the driver?

[RICARDO75]

These figures are pretty old and I believe granted with stock fuel. I don't know real recent numbers with racing fuel.

+10% (around 230bhp) with racing fuel.
Max should have around 250/ 255bhp

[dimviii]

official photo from twitter
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrdYbp0CUAIYL6s.jpg:large

[makinen_fan]

and some more info from Maxrally
http://www.maxrally.com/2014/07/01/toyotas-new-rally-car-readied-for-testing

[focus206]

and some more info from Maxrally
http://www.maxrally.com/2014/07/01/toyotas-new-rally-car-readied-for-testing

I'm so curious to see it on the stages. A question: does it have anything to do with the GT86 that competes in the Japanese championship? Or are they two completely different projects?

[Sulland]

Are there any plans for cups with the Gt86 R3 in any country?
They seems perfect for that!

[dimviii]

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10438915_10152334735903952_1099961069637424150_n.j pg?oh=9eda84c0f14dbf917060ddbc63764fd0&oe=543CD792
https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/p180x540/10544312_10152334735863952_1324508537982666853_n.j pg
https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/p180x540/10516686_10152334735878952_3192769598095413164_n.j pg
https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/p180x540/10501725_10152334735993952_3655199427141647032_n.j pg

https://twitter.com/Official_iRally

[makinen_fan]

Thats not the R3 car but TMG. More info here
http://www.irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00007103

[OldF]

Citroen DS3 R3T MAX info.

http://boutique.citroenracing.com/cms/web/upload/documentation/630/53c7cff4dee4b.pdf

Kit + standard parts: 82 900 €. That’s 14 000 € more compared to R3T. Upgrade kit from R3T to R3T MAX
26 500 €.

Power (with pump fuel) has increased from 210 hp @4750 rpm to 234 hp @4500 rpm. Torque from 350 Nm @3000 rpm to 43 mkg (422 Nm) @3250 rpm.

[manthey]

I'm a bit confused..from .pdf... DS3 R3 MAX KIT which is composed of all Citroën Racing specific parts € 77.500 and DS3 R3 KIT MAX "2 in 1" which includes Citroën series parts
ds3 max kit is the car without spare parts (ie kit max 2 in 1)???

[Mirek]

This one is the true GT-86 R3 from Toyota Motorsport :)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/10560446_10152538889475733_2954852762607725085_o.j pg

[HaCo]

This one is the true GT-86 R3 from Toyota Motorsport :)
Looking forward to see this one in action!

[Andre Oliveira]

Toyota weight : 1080 kg - http://www.toyota-motorsport.com/motorsport/en/home/11-english-categories/news/179-r3-deutschland-en

DS3 R3T : 1230 kg - http://www.citroenracing.com/en/client-competition/citroen-ds3-r3/

[Mirek]

Toyota weight : 1080 kg - http://www.toyota-motorsport.com/motorsport/en/home/11-english-categories/news/179-r3-deutschland-en

DS3 R3T : 1230 kg - http://www.citroenracing.com/en/client-competition/citroen-ds3-r3/

That's confusing statement ;) Toyota is without crew and Citroën with crew. In the tables both have minimum allowed weight acc. to the regulations which is 1080 kg (w/o crew) for R3C (Toyota) and 1120 kg (w/o crew) for R3T.

[Andre Oliveira]

Ups :) you are right

[makinen_fan]

Short video of the GT86 with onboard
http://www.irallylive.com/ir_vid.htm?00001651!

[nafpaktos]

I think a gravel on board would help us more to understand some things.if you find please post it!

[HaCo]

Short video of the GT86 with onboard
http://www.irallylive.com/ir_vid.htm?00001651!

Really, really looking forward to this car!

[Jarek Z]

Really, really looking forward to this car!

Me too! It looks and sounds great, like a proper rally car. Is it just me or the engine on this video sounds better than Ford Fiesta R5?

[RS]

Is it just me or the engine on this video sounds better that Ford Fiesta R5?

That's not hard is it? :p

[Jarek Z]

That's not hard is it? :p

Indeed! :D

[jolle1982]

This weekend at rally wartburg, carsten mohe has driven an new clio r3t. He finished with a lot of technical problems on place 48.

[jolle1982]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/10/04e03f7d6b493ffabe081234d27bb493.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

This weekend at rally wartburg, carsten mohe has driven an new clio r3t. He finished with a lot of technical problems on place 48.

Currently in Rallye Deutschland his performances aren't extraordinary(he's overall between Della Casa and Tempestini in JWRC, for instance) :mark:

[Sulland]

How good is Mohe as a driver?
just to put that into the picture of Ds3 vs Clio.

Did he have many tech issues in Germany, or have most of the gremlins been sorted out?

[Jarek Z]

How good is Mohe as a driver?
just to put that into the picture of Ds3 vs Clio.

He has been competing in German championship for years, so I think I can say that he is slightly over the average level. He's definitely not a bad driver, but not exceptional as well.

[Tom206wrc]

In Mont-Blanc next week there will be Manu Guigou and...Quentin Gilbert in Clio IV R3T ;)
But Citroën will have Cédric Robert and...Stéphane Lefèbvre :D

[Sulland]

According to Motorsport Monday Porsche is also planning a 911 R3. Not quite sure how, since R3C is max 2000 ccm. But could of course be a R4 class car they mean.

[Jarek Z]

According to Motorsport Monday Porsche is also planning a 911 R3. Not quite sure how, since R3C is max 2000 ccm. But could of course be a R4 class car they mean.

Is this the car that you mean?
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/czterolitrowe-porsche-dumasa,56874

Probably not, since it has 4.0L-engine. Anyway, it will be great to see this Porsche homologated in RGT-class. Romain Dumas plans to compete in Rallye de France and Tour de Corse.

http://www.autoklub.pl/media/201408/75328-porsche.jpg

[Jarek Z]

There will be soon a good occasion to compare performance of the new Clio against other cars. As many as 5 Clios R3T will be competing in Rallye Mont-Blanc, 6th round of the French championship. Drivers will not be bad: Quentin Gilbert, Manu Guigou, Jérémie Sérieys, Laurent Reuche and Fabiano Lo Fiego.

[Mirek]

According to Motorsport Monday Porsche is also planning a 911 R3. Not quite sure how, since R3C is max 2000 ccm. But could of course be a R4 class car they mean.

It might be shocking but downsizing will probably hit the 911 too... The future will show but don't throw the info away just because it sounds silly...

[Tom206wrc]

There will be soon a good occasion to compare performance of the new Clio against other cars. As many as 5 Clios R3T will be competing in Rallye Mont-Blanc, 6th round of the French championship. Drivers will not be bad: Quentin Gilbert, Manu Guigou, Jérémie Sérieys, Laurent Reuche and Fabiano Lo Fiego.


Sure for Laurent Reuche :confused:

[manthey]

It might be shocking but downsizing will probably hit the 911 too... The future will show but don't throw the info away just because it sounds silly...

exactly, to me sounds correct with their 2.0l turbo strategy/marketing...this engine will be installed on future porsche (yet macan has 2.0l but it's an "old" engine)
le mans lmp1 919 has 2.0 V4

[wildboar]

What is the advantage of making the 911 an R3 instead of an RGT?

[Gordini]

If Porsche are to make R3 car, they will probably use a VW 1600 engine, and if they are to downsize on the engine, I guess they will do that on the Cayman first.

[manthey]

If Porsche are to make R3 car, they will probably use a VW 1600 engine, and if they are to downsize on the engine, I guess they will do that on the Cayman first.

yes for sure on boxster/cayman before 911, more in tune with a "little" engine...but the path is to install this engine also on the iconic porsche later (marketing will use 919's v4 to express the derivation tech "from race to the street"

[RICARDO75]

Test Quentin Gilbert with the new Clio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGa8Dk9ME-w

[HaCo]

What a great start of the R3T in French championship: after only 4 stages Lefebre is already over a minute behind in his DS3!

[hofmannr]

Has anyone seen the steering wheel on the new Clio?
On the left theres a rotary switch for engine mapping modes ranging from 1 to 4. One is for road section the others are different settings for the anti-lag system (low to full boost) and "pedal law" settings.
On the right side there's another rotary switch for the Traction Control. Again ranging from 1 to 4, from 0 to soft, medium and hard settings. Being the medium setting recommended for gravel and the hard setting for wet or very loose surfaces.

Do you think this will give the car a big advantage over the DS3? (considering also that it has a more powerful engine), or maybe traction control is there to prevent excess wheel spin on gravel or wet surfaces which would make the car hard to handle due to so much torque (480Nm) and front wheel drive only.

I'd really like to hear your opinion on this matter because this new Clio really seems like a worthy contender, even to the DS3 Max.

[RS]

Is there much difference between the engine of an R3T car and R5? Could we see Renault move into R5?

[Mirek]

Has anyone seen the steering wheel on the new Clio?
On the left theres a rotary switch for engine mapping modes ranging from 1 to 4. One is for road section the others are different settings for the anti-lag system (low to full boost) and "pedal law" settings.
On the right side there's another rotary switch for the Traction Control. Again ranging from 1 to 4, from 0 to soft, medium and hard settings. Being the medium setting recommended for gravel and the hard setting for wet or very loose surfaces.

Do you think this will give the car a big advantage over the DS3? (considering also that it has a more powerful engine), or maybe traction control is there to prevent excess wheel spin on gravel or wet surfaces which would make the car hard to handle due to so much torque (480Nm) and front wheel drive only.

I'd really like to hear your opinion on this matter because this new Clio really seems like a worthy contender, even to the DS3 Max.

I have a hard time to believe in 480 Nm for R3T engine. That would be more than R5 cars...

Is traction control even allowed? If so it can be an advantage for sure.

[RICARDO75]

Matthias Kahle | Test TMG Toyota GT86 CS-R3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAltP8A0XZQ

[hofmannr]

Four Clio R3T in Rally Du Mont Blanc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrxE8p5t--s

[Sulland]

Would like to see the GT86 on a gravel test, with a really good gravel driver, Maybe Petter or Henning Solberg have the time.

[cali]

Would like to see the GT86 on a gravel test, with a really good gravel driver, Maybe Petter or Henning Solberg have the time.U mean good driver like Loeb or Ogier...

[Sulland]

U mean good driver like Loeb or Ogier...

Same same, but one that like driving on the loose!! :p

[Jarek Z]

Matthias Kahle used to be a good driver, too.

I don't know what the car looks like on the stages, but I like the engine sound :)

[Filip]

TMG should hire Béreš jun., i'm sure more people would know about their new car. :)

[EightGear]

@tofrallye29: Info Autohebdo: Camilli, Lefebvre, Tidemand, Abbring and Suninen was tested by Toyota with a GT86 R3.Toy' could enter 2 cars in WRC3 in 2015

[Sulland]

Any comments from the testers on how they liked to drive the car?

[RICARDO75]

Can somebody help me with the dimensions of the small window used in DS3 R3? Thanks

[Sulland]

Anyone that knows the pros and cons between the DS3 and Clio R3T cars?

Are they similar or very different to drive?
Cool to see Luca Rossetti back in international rallying!

[PLuto]

Anyone that knows the pros and cons between the DS3 and Clio R3T cars?

Are they similar or very different to drive?
Cool to see Luca Rossetti back in international rallying!

Both cars are expensive (comparing to their performance) and boring to watch (but turbo is "future")

[Sulland]

Found som specs online, not sure if they are 100%

http://www.renaultsport.com/Clio-R3T-4142.html

http://www.citroenracing.com/en/client-competition/citroen-ds3-r3/

looks like the Renault has the edge on paper, but what about practical life?
might look boring, but they are very effective!

[Co-driven]

In Chile, the drivers suffered with the Clio. They claimed that the car wasn't well developed to gravel stages and couldn't match the Ds3 with the Max kit.

In the end, the champion was a Clio (the older version, with NA engine).

[Allyc85]

The Clio sounded awful on Rally Gb, probably the worst sounding rally ever! Under heavy acceleration it as constantly spluttering on 2 days like it had a misfire! Do they run traction control on these?

[mousti]

The Clio sounded awful on Rally Gb, probably the worst sounding rally ever! Under heavy acceleration it as constantly spluttering on 2 days like it had a misfire! Do they run traction control on these?

Indeed traction control

[Ucci]

Indeed traction control

I've also noticed two days ago in an event this awfull sound, like there is something wrong with the engine under acceleration. The engine does not spin at all....when a P208 R2 passed us, it was "like haven" compared to this strange Clio's noise.

[Mirek]

Frankly I don't understand at all why R3 cars have TC allowed.

[Mintexmemory]

The Clio sounded awful on Rally Gb, probably the worst sounding rally ever! Under heavy acceleration it as constantly spluttering on 2 days like it had a misfire! Do they run traction control on these?
Additionally the Burri car had a colour scheme to match it's performance - baby crap brown!

[dimviii]

Frankly I don't understand at all why R3 cars have TC allowed.

almost double torque from an s2000 at 2 wheels,at very low rpms.

[Mirek]

True. Still I don't like it at all.

[PLuto]

I think R3T was a bad step. Cars are not so interesting to watch and too expensive for run.

[Mirek]

You can't stay with naturally aspirated engines forever since nearly nobody is producing them these days and nobody is interested in giving them any promotion (aside of maybe Mazda which is not involved anyway).

[Allyc85]

I've also noticed two days ago in an event this awfull sound, like there is something wrong with the engine under acceleration. The engine does not spin at all....when a P208 R2 passed us, it was "like haven" compared to this strange Clio's noise.

The 208 did sound fantastic, got to love a screamer! This did not!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkDxfBdbP58

[RS]

Turbo engines in rally cars only seem entertaining to watch with 4wd. Too much torque to drive through two wheels.

Is it possible to make a standard 4wd transmission kit at a reasonable price to fit to smaller, lower powered cars, a class below R5?

[tolx]

Just downsize turbo engine enough. Those 1.0L turbo fiestas are reasonably well driven and sounds ok.

[aykutbilir]

Fiesta 1.0 ecoboost R2 has serious mapping issues.


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[Adler]

imo it would make much more sense to regulate boost instead of installing ridiculous small air restrictors.

engines would rev higher, sound nicer, Transmission parts would get lesser stress, and overall the cars would become cheaper i guess.

[Mirek]

If You want to limit power You need restrictor and max rpm. By limiting boost You limit torque, not power (the boost limit is used anyway).

[Adler]

If You want to limit power You need restrictor and max rpm. By limiting boost You limit torque, not power (the boost limit is used anyway).

true, imo it would be better to have more power and less torque, it makes no sense for me to make expensive modifications and after stall the engine by installing a small restrictor.

[dimviii]

Fiesta 1.0 ecoboost R2 has serious mapping issues.


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what mapping issues?

[aykutbilir]

what mapping issues?

At Ford Turkey they change mapping for evety race which send from Msport to have proper torque from machine.
At first days all driver have problem for power and torque.


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[OldF]

(the boost limit is used anyway).

Is it true? I couldn’t find any mention of it in the R3T specific regulations but in the R5 regulations it’s mentioned. Do you mean limited boost or boost limit.

[Mirek]

I admit that I don't know exactly the R3T regulations but I would be surprised if there wasn't any form of boost limiting.