WRC-2 season 2013

[Humber]

Hayden Paddon has got the funding together to do WRC2 in Finland and Germany with the Skoda S2000. 2 in the Skoda

[Carlo]

Hayden Paddon has got the funding together to do WRC2 in Finland and Germany with the Skoda S2000. 2 in the Skoda

Excellent news indeed.

[Carlo]

Rallying | Hayden Paddon to head to Europe in August... | Stuff.co.nz (http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/sport/8644876/Hayden-Paddon-to-head-to-Europe-in-August)

Link to news article

[RS]

I haeven't been following too close this year... Is the real reason for the termination of Lappi's WRC2 programme because the dictators in Wolfsburg want their boy to take the WRC2 title?

[PLuto]

I haeven't been following too close this year... Is the real reason for the termination of Lappi's WRC2 programme because the dictators in Wolfsburg want their boy to take the WRC2 title?

Yes

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

I haeven't been following too close this year... Is the real reason for the termination of Lappi's WRC2 programme because the dictators in Wolfsburg want their boy to take the WRC2 title?

The only problem is, that their boy is far too slow to win the championship. It's a pity for Skoda that they musn't give him a Car in WRC 2. hopefully Lappi gets a proper Car in the WRC. He would deserve it.

[Mirek]

The car Wiegand drives is not a factory car. It's Juka Motorsport car (running Škoda Deutschland cars for a decade now).

[Jarek Z]

The level of competition in WRC-2 is quite low. I made a small comparison between Paolo Andreucci, Robert Kubica and Michal Kosciuszko on the same stages of Rally Sardegna. Andreucci was driving Pug 207 S2000 competing in Italian Championship only. Kubica was driving Citroen DS3 RRC competing in WRC-2. Kosciuszko was driving Ford Fiesta WRC. Andreucci was faster than Kubica on all the stages! Kubica wasn't even close to the Italian, but he easily won WRC-2 with a big margin. I didn't know that the level of WRC-2 was so low.

Below you can see my analysis:

"SS No." "SS name" "winner WRC" "Kosciuszko" "Kubica" "Andreucci"
1 MONTE LERNO 19:20.2 20:52.2 21:11.5 19'55.4
2 MONTE OLIA 13:43.0 14:36.0 15:04.0 14'11.3
3 TERRANOVA 10:36.9 11:08.0 11:34.1 10'58.9
4 MONTI DI ALA' 13:38.9 14:37.7 14:57.3 14'18.0
5 COILUNA - LOELLE 13:47.0 14:31.1 14:57.4 14'24.9
6 MONTE OLIA 13:19.3 14:05.3 14:15.5 14'06.0

[Nornbugger]

The level of competition in WRC-2 is quite low. I made a small comparison between Paolo Andreucci, Robert Kubica and Michal Kosciuszko on the same stages of Rally Sardegna. Andreucci was driving Pug 207 S2000 competing in Italian Championship only. Kubica was driving Citroen DS3 RRC competing in WRC-2. Kosciuszko was driving Ford Fiesta WRC. Andreucci was faster than Kubica on all the stages! Kubica wasn't even close to the Italian, but he easily won WRC-2 with a big margin. I didn't know that the level of WRC-2 was so low.

Below you can see my analysis:

"SS No." "SS name" "winner WRC" "Kosciuszko" "Kubica" "Andreucci"
1 MONTE LERNO 19:20.2 20:52.2 21:11.5 19'55.4
2 MONTE OLIA 13:43.0 14:36.0 15:04.0 14'11.3
3 TERRANOVA 10:36.9 11:08.0 11:34.1 10'58.9
4 MONTI DI ALA' 13:38.9 14:37.7 14:57.3 14'18.0
5 COILUNA - LOELLE 13:47.0 14:31.1 14:57.4 14'24.9
6 MONTE OLIA 13:19.3 14:05.3 14:15.5 14'06.0


are the tyres the same spec for the Italian championship?

[Mintexmemory]

The level of competition in WRC-2 is quite low. I made a small comparison between Paolo Andreucci, Robert Kubica and Michal Kosciuszko on the same stages of Rally Sardegna. Andreucci was driving Pug 207 S2000 competing in Italian Championship only. Kubica was driving Citroen DS3 RRC competing in WRC-2. Kosciuszko was driving Ford Fiesta WRC. Andreucci was faster than Kubica on all the stages! Kubica wasn't even close to the Italian, but he easily won WRC-2 with a big margin. I didn't know that the level of WRC-2 was so low.

Below you can see my analysis:

"SS No." "SS name" "winner WRC" "Kosciuszko" "Kubica" "Andreucci"
1 MONTE LERNO 19:20.2 20:52.2 21:11.5 19'55.4
2 MONTE OLIA 13:43.0 14:36.0 15:04.0 14'11.3
3 TERRANOVA 10:36.9 11:08.0 11:34.1 10'58.9
4 MONTI DI ALA' 13:38.9 14:37.7 14:57.3 14'18.0
5 COILUNA - LOELLE 13:47.0 14:31.1 14:57.4 14'24.9
6 MONTE OLIA 13:19.3 14:05.3 14:15.5 14'06.0

As Mark Twain said there are 3 kinds of untruth: Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics.
The 'confounding' factors are as follows
Kubica was on his first ever competitive drive in Sardegna having very limited gravel experience.
How many times would you estimate that Andreucci has driven these stages?
What was the difference in tyre availability.
Do we know if Kubica could have gone faster if his competition in Sarde had been closer to him
I was interested when I attended Sardegna back in 2011 why the top Italian drivers were not contesting their national round. I don't think budget was the limiting factor for the top 3-4 guys. Are there other reasons why the local vehicles aren't put in front of WRC scruitineers?
Kos was having his first fiesta outing, Prokop might be a better 'low order WRC' example.
What difference would we have seen if Lappi and Evans had been competing in WRC2? I agree that the rest of the WRC2 competitors (including Al Kuwari) showed no sign of being capable of moving up to WRC.
NORF WRC 2 will be a different matter and if Andreucci had entered (ifs, buts and maybes) then I expect up to 10 guys would be faster (local knowledge or otherwise)

[Jarek Z]

NORF WRC 2 will be a different matter and if Andreucci had entered (ifs, buts and maybes) then I expect up to 10 guys would be faster (local knowledge or otherwise)

Thanks for your reply, but... are we speaking of the same WRC-2 championship?
Here is the list of drivers competing in WRC-2:
World Rally Championship - Results (http://www.wrc.com/wrc-2/results/)
Are you trying to tell me that you can find 10 drivers on this list, who would be faster than Andreucci on any rally? I can see maybe 1 or 2.

[Jarek Z]

are the tyres the same spec for the Italian championship?

Sorry, but I have no idea. I also don't know if the road conditions were the same for WRC-2 and Italian championship drivers. There are many unknown factors, but in my opinion, my analysis gives a good overview on the level of WRC-2.

[pantealex]

Thanks for your reply, but... are we speaking of the same WRC-2 championship?
who would be faster than Andreucci on any rally? I can see maybe 1 or 2.

Lappi, Paddon, Kruuda, Evans, Brynildsen, Ketomaa for sure! = 6

There is 21 WRC-2 competitors in NORF and you really think only 1-2 are faster than Andreucci?

[Mintexmemory]

Thanks for your reply, but... are we speaking of the same WRC-2 championship?
Here is the list of drivers competing in WRC-2:
World Rally Championship - Results (http://www.wrc.com/wrc-2/results/)
Are you trying to tell me that you can find 10 drivers on this list, who would be faster than Andreucci on any rally? I can see maybe 1 or 2.
No, I am saying there will be 10 guys in WRC2 machines at NORF who would beat PA (many of whom haven't competed so far)

[Jarek Z]

Lappi, Paddon, Kruuda, Evans, Brynildsen, Ketomaa for sure! = 6

There is 21 WRC-2 competitors in NORF and you really think only 1-2 are faster than Andreucci?

But as far as I know Paddon, Kruuda, Brynildsen and Ketomaa do not compete in WRC-2, do they?

[Jarek Z]

No, I am saying there will be 10 guys in WRC2 machines at NORF who would beat PA (many of whom haven't competed so far)

So that would mean that you are not talking about WRC-2 competitors, right?

[Sulland]

Dmack with 2 cars in Finland it looks like:
DMACK Tyres News (http://www.dmacktyres.com/motorsport-news#nws1154)

[pantealex]

But as far as I know Paddon, Kruuda, Brynildsen and Ketomaa do not compete in WRC-2, do they?

Yes they do!
Brynildsen was WRC-2 already in Sweden (retired with Fiesta)
There is 40 names in WRC-2 (numbers 31-50 and 71-90), some are team entries, so they can change drivers.

[pantealex]

But as far as I know Paddon, Kruuda, Brynildsen and Ketomaa do not compete in WRC-2, do they?

see your self:
http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2013-07-04T17-25-55253.pdf

[Jarek Z]

Yes they do!
Brynildsen was WRC-2 already in Sweden (retired with Fiesta)
There is 40 names in WRC-2 (numbers 31-50 and 71-90), some are team entries, so they can change drivers.

They do? So it seems that WRC-2 is even more strange that I thought. After 7 rounds the fastest drivers have 0 points and the championship is being led by some amateur Arab driver ;)

[PLuto]

You can join WRC-2 when you want. If Loeb wants win WRC-2, he should join it in Deutschland and win it...

[wrc1600]

The level of competition in WRC-2 is quite low. I made a small comparison between Paolo Andreucci, Robert Kubica and Michal Kosciuszko on the same stages of Rally Sardegna. Andreucci was driving Pug 207 S2000 competing in Italian Championship only. Kubica was driving Citroen DS3 RRC competing in WRC-2. Kosciuszko was driving Ford Fiesta WRC. Andreucci was faster than Kubica on all the stages! Kubica wasn't even close to the Italian, but he easily won WRC-2 with a big margin. I didn't know that the level of WRC-2 was so low.

Below you can see my analysis:

"SS No." "SS name" "winner WRC" "Kosciuszko" "Kubica" "Andreucci"
1 MONTE LERNO 19:20.2 20:52.2 21:11.5 19'55.4
2 MONTE OLIA 13:43.0 14:36.0 15:04.0 14'11.3
3 TERRANOVA 10:36.9 11:08.0 11:34.1 10'58.9
4 MONTI DI ALA' 13:38.9 14:37.7 14:57.3 14'18.0
5 COILUNA - LOELLE 13:47.0 14:31.1 14:57.4 14'24.9
6 MONTE OLIA 13:19.3 14:05.3 14:15.5 14'06.0
Have they competed in the same championship? If not this comparison is nonsense.

[rallyfun]

The level of competition in WRC-2 is quite low. I made a small comparison between Paolo Andreucci, Robert Kubica and Michal Kosciuszko on the same stages of Rally Sardegna. Andreucci was driving Pug 207 S2000 competing in Italian Championship only. Kubica was driving Citroen DS3 RRC competing in WRC-2. Kosciuszko was driving Ford Fiesta WRC. Andreucci was faster than Kubica on all the stages! Kubica wasn't even close to the Italian, but he easily won WRC-2 with a big margin. I didn't know that the level of WRC-2 was so low.

Below you can see my analysis:

"SS No." "SS name" "winner WRC" "Kosciuszko" "Kubica" "Andreucci"
1 MONTE LERNO 19:20.2 20:52.2 21:11.5 19'55.4
2 MONTE OLIA 13:43.0 14:36.0 15:04.0 14'11.3
3 TERRANOVA 10:36.9 11:08.0 11:34.1 10'58.9
4 MONTI DI ALA' 13:38.9 14:37.7 14:57.3 14'18.0
5 COILUNA - LOELLE 13:47.0 14:31.1 14:57.4 14'24.9
6 MONTE OLIA 13:19.3 14:05.3 14:15.5 14'06.0

What is your point? What do you want to prove with those satistics?

[bluuford]

These stats are clearly showing that these stages can be driven at various speeds..

[CWJ]

I made a small comparison between Paolo Andreucci, Robert Kubica and Michal Kosciuszko on the same stages of Rally Sardegna. Kubica on all the stages! Kubica wasn't even close to the Italian, but he easily won WRC-2 with a big margin. I didn't know that the level of WRC-2 was so low.
Below you can see my analysis:

I also don't believe in your stats. And you did some mistakes.
You can f.e. not compare Kubica Monte Lerno1 with Andreucci who drove only Monte Lerno2. Since we know Italian recce mode and stage knowledge, you should at least compare times of second loop and pls have in mind, Kubica was 3 minutes in the lead, everybody just waiting for a mistake.

Anyway I was impressed by the speed I'v seen from both Scandola and Andreucci. They drove very agressiv and risky with a obviously good knowledge of every cm of the stage ;)

[Jarek Z]

I also don't believe in your stats. And you did some mistakes.
You can f.e. not compare Kubica Monte Lerno1 with Andreucci who drove only Monte Lerno2. Since we know Italian recce mode and stage knowledge, you should at least compare times of second loop and pls have in mind, Kubica was 3 minutes in the lead, everybody just waiting for a mistake.


I had a look at my results again and it seems that you are right about Monte Lerno. I should have used Monte Lerno 2 results. I didn't notice that. Sorry about it. But let's not forget that it is still the same stage with the same length. One mistake doesn't ruin my results :)

And if you doubt, here are the official results:
Rally Italia Sardegna | WRC, FIA, Ford, Mini, Citroen, Skoda, Volkswagen (http://www.rallyitaliasardegna.com/ing/results/)
ITALIAN RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP | official website (http://www.acisportitalia.it/Cir/informazioni-risultati/780/Rally-Costa-Smeralda/2013)

[Jarek Z]

What is your point? What do you want to prove with those satistics?

Nothing. It's just an interesting fact, a curiosity. Don't be so serious about it. I only wanted to see how slow (or fast) Kubica is compared to such a well-known specialist as Andreucci. So I had a look at stage times and compared them. Afterwards, I thought why not share it with other forum members. That's all.

[rallyfun]

Nothing. It's just an interesting fact, a curiosity. Don't be so serious about it. I only wanted to see how slow (or fast) Kubica is compared to such a well-known specialist as Andreucci. So I had a look at stage times and compared them. Afterwards, I thought why not share it with other forum members. That's all.

Then your choice wasn't great. If you compare local multichampion with newcomer the result is no brainer. Especially if they compete in different ligues. Everyone knows that Kubica is slower on gravel and his goals are different but still fast enough to win WRC2 by 4:17.

[Jarek Z]

Then your choice wasn't great. If you compare local multichampion with newcomer the result is no brainer.

Hmm... In my opinion my choice was great. Who should I compare Kubica to in your opinion? To some gentleman driver from Saudi Arabia? ;)
I chose Andreucci, because he is a good reference point to see where Kubica is with his speed.

[rallyfun]

Hmm... In my opinion my choice was great. Who should I compare Kubica to in your opinion? To some gentleman driver from Saudi Arabia? ;)
I chose Andreucci, because he is a good reference point to see where Kubica is with his speed.

I would say You should compare him to any of non Italian driver in similar car. What is the point of comparing incomparable? I guess it's the same as comparing Loeb and Kosciuszko in Rally France,to see where is he with speed.

[Jarek Z]

I would say You should compare him to any of non Italian driver in similar car. What is the point of comparing incomparable?

The point was to see how much slower than a top European driver Kubica is. Comparing him to "any of non Italian driver" makes no sense. It's hard to say that "any of non Italian driver" is a reference point in this sport.

[rallyfun]

The point was to see how much slower than a top European driver Kubica is. Comparing him to "any of non Italian driver" makes no sense. It's hard to say that "any of non Italian driver" is a reference point in this sport.

It is in this event.

[Jarek Z]

I have no idea what you mean. Didn't the organizers of Rally Sardegna make a comparison between Kubica and "any non Italian driver" by measuring stage times?
Rally Italia Sardegna 2013 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2013/rally-italia-sardegna-2013/?ssId=1758&cupId=85)
Why would I do the same?

[tommeke_B]

I would say You should compare him to any of non Italian driver in similar car. What is the point of comparing incomparable? I guess it's the same as comparing Loeb and Kosciuszko in Rally France,to see where is he with speed.

Actually, about Loeb - Kosciuszko in France, I don't think the difference would be bigger than anywhere else. :) I think you are overestimating what you can call "local knowledge", it gives you some advantage, but no 1s/km...

[cali]

Did both drovers used same tyres? As far as I know WRC use different tyres. Also last couple of years some rallies local guys were massively faster than S2000 guys, but were using non-control tyres.

[Lord_Shaitan]

Some time ago I did a comparison of Kubica's times with best times from CIR too. As for Kubica I took his times from second leg as far more representative.

SS 1 MONTE LERNO 1
Andreucci - 19'55.4
Kubica - 20:26.8 (driving behind Wiegand in dust)

SS 2 MONTE OLIA 1
Andreucci - 14'11.3
Kubica - 14:15.5

SS 3 TERRANOVA 1
Andreucci - 10'58.9
Kubica - 10:58.9

SS 4 MONTI DI ALA' 1
Scandola - 14'14.2
Kubica - 14:11.8

SS 5 COILUNA - LOELLE 1
Andreucci - 14'24.9
Kubica - 14:23.9

SS 6 MONTE OLIA 2
Andreucci - 14'06.0
Kubica - 14:15.5

Taking into consideration that he was driving safer and was still far behind italian drivers with stages knowledge, he isn't any slower than best drivers from CIR.

[Jarek Z]

Thanks for your results Lord_Sheitan, but I'm not sure if you can do it this way. You compare Andreucci's first loop results with Kubica's second loop times. But you forgot to mention that there was a time difference of 5 hours between both loops. The weather as well as the road conditions could have changed. Therefore I still think that my results are more fair. But thanks for sharing your analysis :up:

[cali]

And still no answer about tyres?
You compare times not knowing about details and it gives false impression.

[pucky54]

And still no answer about tyres?
You compare times not knowing about details and it gives false impression.

Of course they were not on the same tires, Andreucci is Pirelli driver ;)

[havk]

Several times of Sebastain Ogier:
Monte Olia 1 13:49,1
Monte Olia 2 13:22,2
Terranova 1 10:36,9
Terranova 2 10:18,3
Better times on 2nd loop. Probably it is because he knows better stage and due to cleaned loose gravel, the difference is quite big. As far as i know CIR competitors drive after WRC, so it could give them some advantage.

[Adler]

Armin Kremer will drive an Stohl-Fiesta RRC in Germany, test will be held in ÖRM-rallye Weiz (9.-10. August).

Google Übersetzer (http://translate.google.at/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallye-magazin.de%2Frallyes%2Fwm%2Fnachrichten%2Fnews-detail%2Fd%2F2013%2F07%2F16%2Fkremer-im-fiesta-rrc%2Findex.html)

[Mad cat jnr]

Olivera's usual car then?

[Mintexmemory]

Armin Kremer will drive an Stohl-Fiesta RRC in Germany, test will be held in ÖRM-rallye Weiz (9.-10. August).

Google Übersetzer (http://translate.google.at/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallye-magazin.de%2Frallyes%2Fwm%2Fnachrichten%2Fnews-detail%2Fd%2F2013%2F07%2F16%2Fkremer-im-fiesta-rrc%2Findex.html)

Germany should be as good an entry as NORF as all the serious WRC-2 guys will be in.
Had a brief chat with Robbie Barrable at Goodwood last Friday. Seems a very likeable guy, he confirmed he is doing 6 events in total including Germany.

[WUff1]

Olivera's usual car then?

Think so.

[Tom206wrc]

I'm confident Robert Kubica can beat Fiesta R5s in next week's Rallye Deutschland ;)

[samWRC]

Are Proton Motorsport going to compete in WRC-2 this year?

[Juha_Koo]

Are Proton Motorsport going to compete in WRC-2 this year?

No, to my knowledge their rally program is over - all cars are for sale or sold...

[tommeke_B]

No, to my knowledge their rally program is over - all cars are for sale or sold...

Who wants to buy a Proton???

[Juha_Koo]

Who wants to buy a Proton???

Someone even wanted to buy SX4 WRC, so... :D

[PLuto]

Someone even wanted to buy SX4 WRC, so... :D

For museum or in some collections... Why not? In the future there will be lot of Skodas or Peugeots, but Proton will be real curiosity (in historic rally championship) :)

[Juha_Koo]

For museum or in some collections... Why not? In the future there will be lot of Skodas or Peugeots, but Proton will be real curiosity (in historic rally championship) :)

Yeah... :)

But the SX4 I was referring to was (and I guess is) still used in competition.

[Rallying UK]

RALLYE DEUTSCHLAND: Who will win WRC2 on Rallye Deutschland 2013? VOTE NOW!:

WHO WILL WIN WRC2 ON RALLYE DEUTSCHLAND 2013? Survey (http://svy.mk/14YImj6)

[NxOxT]

can you please stop advertising your site so aggressively ?? just put it in your signature and if people want to visit they will click...

[noel157]

Gotta agree. Getting a bit too repetitive with the Storify/Interactive/T Link stuff considering 99% of the information has been already been posted here by members. And we have our official and unofficial Pickems so not sure about additional surveys.
I subscribe to your Twitter feed and for a quick glance of what's been happening it's good.
JMHO.

[Andre Oliveira]

Yeah... :)

But the SX4 I was referring to was (and I guess is) still used in competition.

With other engine. The Barbados unit is not a full ex Works car.

[Mintexmemory]

Gotta agree. Getting a bit too repetitive with the Storify/Interactive/T Link stuff considering 99% of the information has been already been posted here by members. And we have our official and unofficial Pickems so not sure about additional surveys.
I subscribe to your Twitter feed and for a quick glance of what's been happening it's good.
JMHO.



I'll keep an eye on this :up:

[Tom206wrc]

I'm confident Robert Kubica can beat Fiesta R5s in next week's Rallye Deutschland ;)

18" between Kubica and Evans with one stage left to go :cool:
But in the same time Robert has no tyres for full wet :mark:

[Jarek Z]

18" between Kubica and Evans with one stage left to go :cool:
But in the same time Robert has no tyres for full wet :mark:

But does he need them? ;) Without wet tyres Kubica wins the WRC2 category and takes the lead in the championship!
And in overal calssification of Deutschland Rally he is 5th, which is the best ever result of a Polish rally driver in the history of WRC! He managed to beat Holowczyc's 6th place in Rally Poland 2009. Congratulations!!! :up:

[Jarek Z]

WRC2 standings after Deutschland:
1 Kubica (101)
2 Al Kuwari (93)
3 Fuchs (78)
4 Wiegand (67)
5 Protasow (65)
6 Kremer (40)

[Oops!]

With other engine. The Barbados unit is not a full ex Works car.

It's a SX4 shell built by MML sports in the uk, it has full 05 Lancer WRC running gear, engine, drivetrain, suspension ect...

[Tom206wrc]

Congratulations to Robert Kubica for his huge win in Rallye de France this week-end :bounce:

[Jarek Z]

Yes, excellent rally for Kubica. And now he is back in the lead of WRC-2 standings with two rounds to go.

[PLuto]

Biggest rivals in WRC2 are now Kubica and Al-Kuwari. They didnt meet together on so many events this year. And also final fight for win will not be clean - no direct fight as Kubica will do Catalunya and Al-Kuwari Wales. Everything thanks to super rules of WRC2 for this year. Thank you FIA...

[kober]

If you removed Kubica from the participant list, there wouldn't be much to talk about the WRC 2 this season. Give him the title, and bring 2014 already :)

[Mirek]

Biggest rivals in WRC2 are now Kubica and Al-Kuwari. They didnt meet together on so many events this year. And also final fight for win will not be clean - no direct fight as Kubica will do Catalunya and Al-Kuwari Wales. Everything thanks to super rules of WRC2 for this year. Thank you FIA...

Some were arguing before the season started that the rules were good...

[Jarek Z]

Some were arguing before the season started that the rules were good...

Yes, and that the level of competition in WRC2 is higher than in ERC. How come there are so many blind people?

[bluuford]

I have one nice theoretical question. There is also WRC2 championship for co-drivers. Lets say that one co-drivers drives 7 events with one driver and then 2 events with another driver then what happens to he co-drivers points? Are they taking away points away from the genral classification? or co-driver is not counted at all. Driver wins rally (his first in WRC2 and co-driver has done already 7 events. Who is going to take maximum co-driver points now?no-one or second place?

[BDA Cosworth]

If you removed Kubica from the participant list, there wouldn't be much to talk about the WRC 2 this season. Give him the title, and bring 2014 already :)

Put every one in R5 cars and I bet this year would have turned out differently. :) You just cannot compete head to head in WRC2 with a R4 or S2000 car since the introduction of the R5 cars.

[WUff1]

If you removed Kubica from the participant list, there wouldn't be much to talk about the WRC 2 this season. Give him the title, and bring 2014 already :)

Put every one in R5 cars and I bet this year would have turned out differently. :) You just cannot compete head to head in WRC2 with a R4 or S2000 car since the introduction of the R5 cars.

I cannot agree with you - just look at ERC results this year.

[Teme]

I have one nice theoretical question. There is also WRC2 championship for co-drivers. Lets say that one co-drivers drives 7 events with one driver and then 2 events with another driver then what happens to he co-drivers points? Are they taking away points away from the genral classification? or co-driver is not counted at all. Driver wins rally (his first in WRC2 and co-driver has done already 7 events. Who is going to take maximum co-driver points now?no-one or second place?

Ricardo Trivino's co-driver Alex Haro was doing his 8th WRC2 round in France (as he did one with Lombardo in Australia also). He wasn't counted to score points at all. So WRC2 results from France were in drivers and co-drivers:
1. Kubica - 1. Baran
2. Evans - 2. Barritt
3. Al Ketbi - 3. Hepperle
4. Barrable - 4. Loudon
5. Trivino
6. Lombardo - 5. Espinosa
7. Rasheed - 6. Matar
8. Hudec - 7. Kotal

[Jarek Z]

Congratulations to Robert Kubica and Maciek Baran, the first ever World Rally Champions in the history of Poland! Well done guys!!!

https://lh3.ggpht.com/-GGtpRVgEvqk/UmzcZ_CN5tI/AAAAAAAALwQ/ZWzAKSTqxIU/s1600/Indie.jpg

[Sulland]

Impressive by a racing driver to become a world champion in Rally - Impressed!!
Would love to see him back in F1, and win there as well. If he can win in rally, you should think the arm could handle racing.

But that he is a huge talent behind a wheel is by this proven. Would be cool to see him defend the title, when opposition will grow in 14!

He will fight Brynildsen/ Giraudet in GB, so lets see how that goes, if the New Autotek Fiesta keeps functioning for him!

[A FONDO]

Impressive by a racing driver to become a world champion in Rally - Impressed!!
Would love to see him back in F1, and win there as well. If he can win in rally, you should think the arm could handle racing.

But that he is a huge talent behind a wheel is by this proven. Would be cool to see him defend the title, when opposition will grow in 14!

He will fight Brynildsen/ Giraudet in GB, so lets see how that goes, if the New Autotek Fiesta keeps functioning for him!
First, he can't return to F1. Some slower circuit races - yes. Watch for example today's India race: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii_EfhXZexs (from 0:33). Also his rally car is equipped with paddle shift gearchanger and the handbrake works in the opposite direction (he pushes it forward instead of pulling it backwards).
Second, he said that in the next season he wants full season with pre-event tests or he will not rally at all, so next season in WRC2 or IRC is probably out of the question.

[Jarek Z]

Would love to see him back in F1, and win there as well. If he can win in rally, you should think the arm could handle racing.

It's not so easy Sulland! You have much more space inside a rally car to operate with your hand than you have in a tight cockpit of a racing car. I'm afraid Robert's elbow, wrist and palm still don't function well enough to drive a F1 car :(

But standings say everything about Kubica's performance in a rally car:
http://www.wrc.com/swrc/results/

In the last three years he went through hell, but today is the time for joy!!! :D

http://www.autoklub.pl/media/201310/66742-kubica.jpg

[thuGG]

Congratulations for Robert!!
I know the competition wasn't very strong, but still it's his first year of proper rallying.
Also his determination and "never give up" attitude is unbelievable, a true hero for me!
I wish him all the best, rallying or racing!

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[kober]

Congratulations to Robert Kubica and Maciek Baran, the first ever World Rally Champions in the history of Poland!
I was under impression that Ogier and Ingrassia are the World Rally Champions this year.

Nonetheless, I do hope that Kubica will stay in WRC for the next two years at least. This guy has a huge potential, and is definitely an asset to the championship.

[Mirek]

Winners of WRC2, WRC3 and JWRC are also awarded world champion title in it's category. Just as winners of Moto2, Moto3 etc.

[pantealex]

Kubica Gold
Al-Kuwari Silver

Bronze is open:
Protasov has 83p (all 7 races done) 3rd at the moment
only 2 other have chance to climp up:
Al-Rajhi has 70p can count all points from Wales
Wiekand has 67p can count all points from Wales

[Wim_Impreza]

Winners of WRC2, WRC3 and JWRC are also awarded world champion title in it's category. Just as winners of Moto2, Moto3 etc.

Yes, but the Moto2 and Moto3 categories are much more competitive compared to the MotoGP than the WRC2 and JWRC compared to the WRC. ERC and some national rally championships have a higher level than the WRC2. Remember that Kubica this year didn't finished an ERC Rally.

It is really a joke that the winner of WRC3 can be named World Champion. There was no competition...