The magical Red Bull

[Knock-on]

What has Newey created. A car that can spirit away fuel?

Red Bull is confident Abu Dhabi GP fuel issue was a one-off - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104065)

Horner sounded a bit strange after the qualifying issue claiming the fuel was "in there somewhere" but they just cant find it? What is going on?

Smells to me like a BAR fuel fiasco brewing.

[donKey jote]

It was rumoured somewhere that they use(d) an extra oil tank to shift weight balance around... maybe it is an extra fuel tank like BAR :p

[Tazio]

What has Newey created. A car that can spirit away fuel?

Red Bull is confident Abu Dhabi GP fuel issue was a one-off - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104065)




Red Bull has faith that Renault has learned from the fuel issues that resulted in Sebastian Vettel being thrown to the back of the grid at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.

In qualifying it will be two runs of one lap, it was 55 in the race. Then the engine engineer will work out the fuel required and that will be put into car. So it is not something that we get involved in as a team.Red Bull is confident Abu Dhabi GP fuel issue was a one-off - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104065) Adrian Newey is building the engine for Renault as well :confused:

[AndyL]

I guess different teams may be organised in different ways, but it's interesting that when McLaren had an identical problem, it was because a McLaren team member made a mistake, but when it happens to Red Bull, Red Bull say it's nothing to do with them.

[Knock-on]

Renault: Fuel equipment likely to have caused Vettel's problem - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104089)

So, from Horner initially claiming he car wasn't short fuelled and that the fuel was in there 'somewhere' to him blaiming Renault for short fuelling the car, we now have the most likely explanation all along. A equipment failure.

Horner can't look too good in the eyes of Renault after dishing them.

[ShiftingGears]

Renault: Fuel equipment likely to have caused Vettel's problem - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104089)

So, from Horner initially claiming he car wasn't short fuelled and that the fuel was in there 'somewhere' to him blaiming Renault for short fuelling the car, we now have the most likely explanation all along. A equipment failure.

Horner can't look too good in the eyes of Renault after dishing them.

I seem to recall members of RBR showing displeasure about the Renault engine earlier this season (I don't know if it was Horner), but I can't offer any specifics.

[F1boat]

This is one thing I don't like about Red Bull. In past years they have too been disrespectful to Renault, which I don't understand. The Renault engine is obviously good enough to allow Williams and Lotus to win and is more reliable than the Mercedes. Not to mention the history of their success.

[Knock-on]

It's worth noting that Renault have won as many races this year as all the other Engine manufacturers put together.

The Bull is a great car coupled with the best engine out there. Horner should be a bit more diplomatic.

[wedge]

It's worth noting that Renault have won as many races this year as all the other Engine manufacturers put together.

The Bull is a great car coupled with the best engine out there. Horner should be a bit more diplomatic.

More about the package than the engine.

Lotus have been there or thereabouts if had Kimi killer instinct, especially quali, but can't fault race pace via tyre performance.

Renault is notorious for being down on power, tend to run short gearing for better 'jump' out of corners but it is a tactic that works for RBR to get pole and control the race.

Regards to Horner. My impression is that he seems rather bemused and being honest with his thoughts/assessment.

It can be difficult to read into quotes without context: on the BBC F1 Forum, Paffet's tone of fustration was of anger to the point it was like he was slating the team. You wouldn't get that impression if you read the quote. Another example which riles me is when Hamilton bashers are easily offended by is the "monkeys at the back" quote which was said in jest.

[Tazio]

Another example which riles me is when Hamilton bashers are easily offended by is the "monkeys at the back" quote which was said in jest.
Isn't the point of this forum to see how petty you can be while acting like a delirious fanboy :confused: ;)

[F1boat]

Another example which riles me is when Hamilton bashers are easily offended by is the "monkeys at the back" quote which was said in jest.

While I don't want to turn this thread into another referendum pro and against Lewis Hamilton, I think that comment was pretty dismissive and arrogant - even if said "in jest".

[Tazio]

I would have taken exception to it if he said:
"the f##king monkeys at the back" :dozey:

[DexDexter]

It's worth noting that Renault have won as many races this year as all the other Engine manufacturers put together.

The Bull is a great car coupled with the best engine out there. Horner should be a bit more diplomatic.

Best engine? Don't think so. How closely have you followed the Renault-engined cars? They all lack the grunt out of corners that Mercedes and Ferrari have. Look at Monza, Lotus was just so slow in acceleration from slow corners compared to Ferraris and Macs. Red Bull, on the other hand was nowhere on the straights, obviously they thought shorter gearing would help diminish the power difference.

[Zico]

Check out these GIFs of the latex rubber like nose that creases... and wobbly nose/wing. It is amazing that it can pass the tests in scrutineering... very clever.



CF Nose that appears to deforms and creases like rubber as mechanic grabs it- http://img.imgur.com/sbeeM.gif?1

Spring loaded nose/wing like motion over the curbs- http://www.gaiaconscience.com/img/trucorb2.gif

Taken from this video- Vettel's pit stop front wing change during safety car F1 Abu Dhabi 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKm59ktOeI0)

[ShiftingGears]

Check out these GIFs of the latex rubber like nose that creases... and wobbly nose/wing. It is amazing that it can pass the tests in scrutineering... very clever.



CF Nose that appears to deforms and creases like rubber as mechanic grabs it- http://img.imgur.com/sbeeM.gif?1

Spring loaded nose/wing like motion over the curbs- http://www.gaiaconscience.com/img/trucorb2.gif

Taken from this video- Vettel's pit stop front wing change during safety car F1 Abu Dhabi 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKm59ktOeI0)

Awesome stuff.

[Tazio]

Renault's head of trackside operations Remi Taffin said that he was awaiting a final report from Red Bull, but the likelihood is the fuelling equipment under-delivered on what it claimed had been put in the car.

"We now have gone very deep into the investigation and, if we look back at what we learned from Saturday qualifying to Sunday morning, we obviously eventually discovered that we were missing a bit of fuel in the cell," Taffin told AUTOSPORT.

"We have checked the numbers, we have checked what we have done with the fuel 'robot' and every single number says we should have had the fuel.

"So Red Bull are now checking with the supplier of their 'robot' to check out that we had the right delivery. This is in progress."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id104089

Now there is a "mysterious" 3rd party that is being "indicted" by RB and Renault :rolleyes: ;)

Actually this is a pretty good read :bulb:

[SGWilko]

Now there is a "mysterious" 3rd party that is being "indicted" by RB and Renault :rolleyes: ;)

Actually this is a pretty good read :bulb:

They'll be blaming the Russian's next...... ;)

[Knock-on]

Best engine? Don't think so. How closely have you followed the Renault-engined cars? They all lack the grunt out of corners that Mercedes and Ferrari have. Look at Monza, Lotus was just so slow in acceleration from slow corners compared to Ferraris and Macs. Red Bull, on the other hand was nowhere on the straights, obviously they thought shorter gearing would help diminish the power difference.

OK Dex. Red Bull, Lotus and Williams are just producing superior cars to Ferrari, McLaren, Sauber, Force India, Torro Rosso etc to make up for the weaker Renault engines.

A couple of years ago, Mercedes and Ferrari had stolen a bit of a gap through making their blocks more 'reliable' but then the FIA allowed Renault to develop their engine until it was allegedly equal. It seems to me that Renault have a benefit established during that peiod not least with the fuel efficiency.

[Tazio]

they'll be blaming the russian's next...... ;)


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S.P.E.C.T.R.E. :)

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OK Dex. Red Bull, Lotus and Williams are just producing superior cars to Ferrari, McLaren, Sauber, Force India, Torro Rosso etc to make up for the weaker Renault engines.

A couple of years ago, Mercedes and Ferrari had stolen a bit of a gap through making their blocks more 'reliable' but then the FIA allowed Renault to develop their engine until it was allegedly equal. It seems to me that Renault have a benefit established during that peiod not least with the fuel efficiency.

Renaultsport make the KERS units. You hear more trouble with them than the others and not necessarily down to Newey design - Maldonado apparantly had no KERS in Abu Dhabi.

[Knock-on]

The Renault KERS is a real wek point. I forget how many times it's either been partially working or not working at all.

When you think of how it's compromised the Renault powered cars this year, it shows how strong the engine is to overcome dragging the extra weight around.

[Tazio]

lol Surely you jest knockie, what an absurd justification :rolleyes:
Ferrari has not had a single engine related failure, and has an @sskicking KERS system that also has a spotless reliability record. I don't think it is a coincidence that Alonso is the last one to break the seal on his 8th engine this weekend while probably logging as many miles on them as any other pilot in a competitive car. However in performance on a bench test I don't think there is a red pubic hair between the Merc, Renault, and Ferrari. The packaging has everything to do with how well the engines and KERS are cooled and perform.

[SGWilko]

The Renault KERS is a real wek point. I forget how many times it's either been partially working or not working at all.

When you think of how it's compromised the Renault powered cars this year, it shows how strong the engine is to overcome dragging the extra weight around.

I was of the impression that the KERS battery pack on the Red Bull only was the weak poin due to newey's obsession with everything being small, neat & tidy - a mouses earhole, as opposed to a ripped out fireplace if you get my meaning......

[Knock-on]

Off the top of my head I think Kimi's had problems in Budapest, Silverstone and Japan.

[wedge]

I was of the impression that the KERS battery pack on the Red Bull only was the weak poin due to newey's obsession with everything being small, neat & tidy - a mouses earhole, as opposed to a ripped out fireplace if you get my meaning......

No.

Alternator failure via overheating. Nothing to do with Newey - Grosjean had the same problem in Valencia. After Valencia they changed it but changed it again to the original.