Rally Sweden 2013

[kirungi okwogera]

In overall, this rally has been a big disappointment for Finns. We had such a strong setup for this event, but I think all our 5 WRC drivers haven't met what was expected from them.

I'm most, if we can say "impressed", with Juho seems to be learning Fiesta little by little. His times are improving as the rally advances. It will be interesting to see what he can do later on this season when he is more adapted with Fiesta. Or in a Polo.... ;)

Very impressed with Sebs and Tidemand (despite the retirement). They are the stars of this rally so far.
Sebs, Tidemand, and I would add Grøndal and Al Rajhi as well - both putting in fast performances in WRC-2, Grøndal with slower machinery.

[vkangas]

In overall, this rally has been a big disappointment for Finns. We had such a strong setup for this event, but I think all our 5 WRC drivers haven't met what was expected from them.
Juho and Jarkko (without the off) are doing well in my eyes. Biggest disappointment being Mikko's speed after the crash.

[Rally Talent]

Sebs, Tidemand, and I would add Grøndal and Al Rajhi as well - both putting in fast performances in WRC-2, Grøndal with slower machinery.

Oh yes, I completely agree!

[Rally Talent]

Juho and Jarkko (without the off) are doing well in my eyes. Biggest disappointment being Mikko's speed after the crash.

Jarkko is doing great yes, but all these guys need be able to drive clean throughout the event. That's the starting point. JML has proved a million times that speed isn't everything.

[kirungi okwogera]

wrc.com has Henning breaking the sound barrier! 1.8km in .4 sec! Didn't look that fast on the video...

[Tom206wrc]

Neuville lost 2 minutes on Hagfors ??? :confused:


Edit: mistake from GPS again :mad:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Juho off !

[danon]

Juho off

[Rally Talent]

I think I need to stop commenting... Juho stuck in snow!

[danon]

Juho back on

[kirungi okwogera]

Jarkko is doing great yes, but all these guys need be able to drive clean throughout the event. That's the starting point. JML has proved a million times that speed isn't everything.
I think if you take the performances of the Finns with the performances of the Norwegians, you can still say that Sweden is a pretty Scandinavian dominated event. Unfortunately not in the first two positions...

edit - poor Hanninen! He's just given Neuville 6th hasn't he.

[danon]

the commentator rocks

[Fast Eddie WRC]

the commentator rocks

If anything really exciting happens he'll explode :laugh: :laugh:

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Al Qassimi :confused:

[vkangas]

Jarkko is doing great yes, but all these guys need be able to drive clean throughout the event. That's the starting point. JML has proved a million times that speed isn't everything.
Of course, but... It has been proven atleast billion times that you need to have the top speed but in early years you are not expected to finish every rally.

[makinen_fan]

Retired after SS15. Engine overheated

[tfp]

Stage win for Evgeny? Looking at Jml times you wouldn't think he was the winner here last year!

[Tom206wrc]

Petter Solberg wins Historic Swedish rally and celebrates like 2003 Championship win. :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCqu00HCcAAMSGE.jpg



Why a Citroën uniform while they drove a Ford ?? :s

[kirungi okwogera]

Stage win for Evgeny? Looking at Jml times you wouldn't think he was the winner here last year!
Loeb got it. (unless Solowow conjures up 100 more horsepower)

I imagine it's JML vs the car this time around. I do hope for his sake he settles in with it.

[kirungi okwogera]

Wow, the video just put up a graphic with totally different times from the WRC.com... had Mikko with 1:55, Loeb 1:58!

[Rally Talent]

Of course, but... It has been proven atleast billion times that you need to have the top speed but in early years you are not expected to finish every rally.

I prefer both of these qualities in one package. Just a personal preference :D

[tfp]

Loeb got it. (unless Solowow conjures up 100 more horsepower)

I imagine it's JML vs the car this time around. I do hope for his sake he settles in with it.

And Ogier was faster then Novikov, my eyes play tricks on me :p

Not helped at all by browsing a website on a mobile phone, when will wrc.com have a decent app to be downloaded! :mad:

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Just loved this live streaming of a rally - makes a nice change from football on a Saturday afternoon... :)

[awake27]

Why a Citroën uniform while they drove a Ford ?? :s
He has stock from the days he was a privateer probably and he doesn't want to spend more :laugh:

[TyPat107]

He has stock from the days he was a privateer probably and he doesn't want to spend more :laugh:

Could it have something to do with his rallycross endeavor where he will be using a DS3? There were Citroen sticker on the car as well.

[awake27]

Could it have something to do with his rallycross endeavor where he will be using a DS3? There were Citroen sticker on the car as well.
I didn't give it a thought, you could be (and probably you are) right!

[COD]

Juho and Jarkko (without the off) are doing well in my eyes. Biggest disappointment being Mikko's speed after the crash.

I myself have been disapointed to all the finns. Jarkko made too many mistakes, he has experience enough not to. Also expected Juho to be a lot faster, those times impress no-one and will be hard to get more rallies.

I mean, Tidemand with his little experience impressed a lot more than these two Finns who should have impressed....

Mikko well, just disapointing speed as almost allways and know even a mistake.

[garais22]

Where can be found results and some photos from historic rally?

[bluuford]

Some time ago, someone told that Mikko is the best candidate for WR Championship crown.. After two events.. he will probably end on 12 points. while leaders have over 40 points.. Good for him;-)

[eestlane]

In 2003 Petter had after 3 events only 6 points and still won the championship.

[mousti]

Petter :o

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCrWK1fCEAI-goG.jpg

[catty]

In 2003 Petter had after 3 events only 6 points and still won the championship.
LOL

Hirvonen will never ever win a world championship.

[dimviii]

Οgier very fast and stable till now.Impressive pace and reliability from polo at snow,even we have to wait for gravel rallies for safer conclusions.Seems that the next-Loeb decade will be the same.Huge gap from next drivers and the only one in par with Master.
Mikko.....hope to come back at last years pace,very dissapointing pace at friendly loose surfaces.Latvala better than Monte,but no near Ogier.Tiedman very impresive,but not the same for Hanninen.Waiting more from him,at least at Tiedmans pace.
Sordo out of his waters completely.
For sure Matton has to think and discuss a lot after Sweden.

[Delta_HF]

Remember someone saying that when Loeb leaves Citroën that he should be kept in a glass case, marked "break in the case of emergency, Ives Matton must be running around looking for a sledge hammer ! :D

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wLt1L2V9UPE

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/19788_339831852799464_383612881_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Ηanninens exit

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=489245571132335

[rallye-vid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81Huf86kFSM

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1121/1121_rally_sweden_2013_a45a24b07e.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1121/1121_rally_sweden_2013_0847ef5680.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1121/1121_rally_sweden_2013_7ac43d6045.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1121/1121_rally_sweden_2013_40211cba2d.jpg

More photos from DAY 2 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1121)

[EightGear]

Yesterday I returned from a trip to New York City and I suddenly found myself sleeping pretty much the whole day so I've not followed the action too closely, but Ogier is really impressing.
Ostberg I hoped would be better than this, but still 3rd isn't bad.

[stefanvv]

Ηanninens exit

Oi-oi-oi-oi-oi :D

[dimviii]

nice pic
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCrcd-pCEAEA2FM.jpg:large

[Rally Talent]

The scene is changing and I think we are witnessing a switch of generations too. There are so many young and potential drivers waiting to show what they can do. I wouldn't be surprised to see some new driver changes in factory teams during the season. We should also not make too early conclusions. This is a very challenging sport and sometimes it's those smallest things than can make the difference. Whatever happens, it's great to see more new drivers and teams enter the scene and learn the game - I'm sure we will see a stunning season in WRC in 2013!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ford M-Sport boss comments on the day:

Mads Ostberg is in third position now. He’s had a great battle on his hands today with Jari-Matti Latvala. What have you thought of his performance?

Malcolm Wilson: “To try and get in front of Jari-Matti and Sebastien was the intention this morning. But I have to say that the pace of the two Sebastiens today has been incredible so we’re very happy that we’ve managed to get on the podium. We go to some stages tomorrow that are quite close to Mads’ home, so hopefully we can still keep the pressure on. "Being realistic, I think that unless that something happens to either of the two guys ahead then we’re going to have to probably settle for the podium. But having said that, on this event this year Jari-Matti was leading then clipped a rock and got a puncture and then Petter did the same. So you never know. Difficult stages and no service? - it could be interesting.”

You’ve had a battle on your hands with Juho Hanninen and Thierry Neuville as well. We saw Hanninen make a little mistake on that final sprint this evening. What happened?

Malcolm Wilson: “There will be no more battle after that little mistake! Juho is really annoyed with himself. It was a really silly mistake and its cost him a position but in one sense its decided the positions so that’s the way they will stay.”

[tolis]

So many young drivers? Yes, but neither of them showed something that would attract sponsors, except for Tidemand. Ketomaa and Nikara in order to get more sponsors, have to make top-6 times and be faster than guys with almost no experience on snow, like Sordo and Neuville. The same goes for Hanninen. Then, there is a possibility that more sponosrs will come. With worse times than all the factory drivers, it's not possible to attract sponsors, in my opinion.
Let's hope for more rallies for all the Finnish "talents" Ketomaa, Nikara and Hanninen, but I doubt it with such a bad performance. :(

[stefanvv]

Raging bull:
WRC Rallye Suéde ES 16 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SXrTjhXLZQs#t=1090s)

[vkangas]

Let's hope for more rallies for all the Finnish "talents" Ketomaa, Nikara and Hanninen, but I doubt it with such a bad performance. :(
With Ketomaa I agree but I think you are being too hard on Hänninen and Nikara. Ok, nothing amazing but considering all the pieces in the puzzle it's too early to say they don't have potential to be in the top of the sport.

[tolis]

With Ketomaa I agree but I think you are being too hard on Hänninen and Nikara. Ok, nothing amazing but considering all the pieces in the puzzle it's too early to say they don't have potential to be in the top of the sport.
Ok, maybe we have to give more chances and maybe a better car to Nikara, but don't forget that it's a difficult period and no one has the money for experiments. I hope, though, that they drive more rallies in the WRC, but...

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3QSZ_0lP2w

[bluuford]

Raging bull:
WRC Rallye Suéde ES 16 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SXrTjhXLZQs#t=1090s)
That red bull wanted to eat some hay?

[stefanvv]

Rally Sweden: Stage 12-16 ::: Free Sport Live Streams / Videos (http://www.laola1.tv/en/int/motorsports/wrc/rally-sweden-stage-12-16/video/492-3015-111058.html)

[eib1]

Wilson upside down ... :roll:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCqFP-gCcAAwY2p.jpg

first ever roll in a rally car for Wilson! http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/icons/eek.gif

[Mirek]

Ok, maybe we have to give more chances and maybe a better car to Nikara, but don't forget that it's a difficult period and no one has the money for experiments. I hope, though, that they drive more rallies in the WRC, but...

There is no other way to find someone to regularly beat Ogier. None of established drivers seems to be able to do so.

[stefanvv]

It's bit early for the general conclusions, but anyway - Ogier seems to truly enjoy this event, I can't say the same for Loeb which hasn't been very comfortable here. I expected more speed from Latvala, but to be honest, 4th will be great result for him considering Monte disaster. Looks like is taking more wise approach now, which I haven't seen so far from him previous seasons. With so little experience with the car, this is the right way to do it, step by step, without too much drama. Perhaps he had serious talks with the team management. Ostberg is justifying my expectations, and with little more luck on friday, he could be ahead of Loeb now. Lets see what happens tomorrow on "his" territory.

[SubaruNorway]

And here is my video from day 2 of the Swedish Rally.
The first place at Sågen didn't work out so well but i walked back a bit and got a massive sideways moment by Henning.
Hope you enjoy and sorry if it's a bit much of the same at Sågen 2 and Rämmen, not always so easy to move around!

https://vimeo.com/59310041

[BleAivano]

Yesterday I returned from a trip to New York City and I suddenly found myself sleeping pretty
much the whole day so I've not followed the action too closely, but Ogier is really impressing.
Ostberg I hoped would be better than this, but still 3rd isn't bad.


To be fair, he had lots of problems with the car yesterday morning with overheating problem
so its' not really fair to blame him for being so far behind and besides Ogier have driven really really well.

[stefanvv]

And here is my video from day 2 of the Swedish Rally.
The first place at Sågen didn't work out so well but i walked back a bit and got a massive sideways moment by Henning.
Hope you enjoy and sorry if it's a bit much of the same at Sågen 2 and Rämmen, not always so easy to move around!

https://vimeo.com/59310041

Thank you, the greatest videos for this Rally Sweden

[dimviii]

And here is my video from day 2 of the Swedish Rally.
The first place at Sågen didn't work out so well but i walked back a bit and got a massive sideways moment by Henning.
Hope you enjoy and sorry if it's a bit much of the same at Sågen 2 and Rämmen, not always so easy to move around!

https://vimeo.com/59310041

very nice spots! thank you!

[bluuford]

Keep in mind the fact that Ogier has also 20 seconds penalty because of that problem.ˇand he lost 8.8 seconds with that problematic overheating on stage 2. Without these seconds he would be on pair (2 seconds behind) with Loeb who has pushed like hell today. That is not bad at all!

[BleAivano]

Keep in mind the fact that Ogier has also 20 seconds penalty because of that problem.ˇand he lost 8.8 seconds with that problematic overheating on stage 2. Without these seconds he would be on pair (2 seconds behind) with Loeb who has pushed like hell today. That is not bad at all!

Östberg, not Ogier. :p ;)

But sure, you are correct.

[Kielder]

Our forummate https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC

[Kielder]

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/729357056.jpg?key=25921944&Expires=1360443013&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=nJGdZNwNeZqJrpyzM7ClIzUbibVTQaq-ZAcpKsO87vLOM4b2PhJeSiLzDck41pUhZkU-EmtqmoRIsbg-gGhdzPu3smHN1AldVlkOG1TQWH0YrfTpftg1iFlf~Wv7CJmmbt SOdHheTuFXc9hCzq~Uq-n-bUYbyRTzU2fIP-KBYPY_

Our forum mate Hartusvuori (https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC)'s flags in Sagen today. He also posted this message on Twitter minutes ago:

"Just realised how early we have to wake up and how long to travel tomorrow for last day of Rally Sweden. Must love this sport. Night night!"

That's the spirit! :up:

[Kielder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx9z6UucPFU

[Kielder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4IZS4au7t8

[catty]

WRC drivers go for Ken Block's record jump at Colin's Crest in Rally Sweden
That has to be the one of the most misleading titles for a youtube video in history......
The video does not contain footage of:
WRC,
Ken Block,
Jumping, or
Rally Sweden! :D

[Jerra]

first ever roll in a rally car for Wilson! http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/icons/eek.gif

Not first, he had huge crash in the British forest on the beginning of his career, think had serious injury, broke both arms, not sure ...

[WUff1]

Ok, maybe we have to give more chances and maybe a better car to Nikara, but don't forget that it's a difficult period and no one has the money for experiments. I hope, though, that they drive more rallies in the WRC, but...

I think of these 3 drivers (Ketomaa, Nikara, Hänninen) Hänninen is in the worst position, because he already got the chance of driving in a top team, and his accident on Monte and today his absolutely unnecessary mistake in a showstage (and therefore being beaten by a young driver who hardly has any experience on snow at all) makes it rather doubtful him continuing in M-Sport or another top team in the next rallies.

[Rallying UK]

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Read here: TwitLonger (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/kvq7kk)

@RallyingUK

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/rally_sweden_2013/plu__kne5005.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/rally_sweden_2013/plu__z8p3613.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2013/photos/rally_sweden_2013/plu__kne5251.jpg

eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Rally Sweden 2013 Petr Lusk (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=6532&fotograf=2)

[rp]

I think of these 3 drivers (Ketomaa, Nikara, Hänninen) Hänninen is in the worst position, because he already got the chance of driving in a top team, and his accident on Monte and today his absolutely unnecessary mistake in a showstage (and therefore being beaten by a young driver who hardly has any experience on snow at all) makes it rather doubtful him continuing in M-Sport or another top team in the next rallies.

It does not change anything, because already now Hänninen has bought his place in M-Sport and if they will find more budget he will continue to use Malcolm´s car rental services, but it can be also some other car rental...

Hänninen´s performance has been one the biggest disappointments in Sweden, but his last rally on snow was five years ago and now it is clear that their big mistake was not to drive any test events before Rally Sweden.

Ketomaa´s only chance to continue driving World Rally Car will be if DMACK will use him as a test driver. Nikara still has a lot of time to deliver, but it was very bad mistake to go out off the road on the SS 3. Otherwise he has driven very similar times to Henning and would be now 8th or 9th and the top ten was his aim.

[rp]

I agree with the budget but what hi-tech technologies are You speaking about? Current WRC cars are quite simple machines and there are no fundamental differences between them.

I should have expressed it better....

Yes, the rules are simple, but I mean that VW had unlimited resources to develop new parts and try every possible parts and test any options before they finalized and homologated the Polo R WRC.

Of course it is not refused, but VW´s preparation to the WRC has been the most extensive and expensive ever seen and there will be no other manufacturers to do the same in the near future...

[danon]

There is no other way to find someone to regularly beat Ogier. None of established drivers seems to be able to do so.

mega statement :D

[Fly_Half]

A couple from the first two days of my first ever trip to Rally Sweden. One thing I've learned is that the Swedish/Norwegian fans are MAD! I've never seen so many drunken people at a Rally before.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8386/8459872812_77f6b7c7a1_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8385/8458448503_517792fc0f_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8386/8458808071_3398af9de4_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8524/8459909684_0ccc7bae54_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8105/8458808777_8c810621ce_c.jpg


Looking forward to Day 3!

[danon]

... One thing I've learned is that the Swedish/Norwegian fans are MAD! I've never seen so many drunken people at a Rally before....


They called it - internal heating :D

[vkangas]

I've never seen so many drunken people at a Rally before.

Guess you haven't been to Rally Finland...? ;)

[Mirek]

I should have expressed it better....

Yes, the rules are simple, but I mean that VW had unlimited resources to develop new parts and try every possible parts and test any options before they finalized and homologated the Polo R WRC.

Of course it is not refused, but VW´s preparation to the WRC has been the most extensive and expensive ever seen and there will be no other manufacturers to do the same in the near future...

That's sure true. I was just curious what You meant.

[big_sw2000]

Not first, he had huge crash in the British forest on the beginning of his career, think had serious injury, broke both arms, not sure ...

Both legs and an arm. Half mile before he got to us. The kid had great prospects. Think this crash is what slowed him down. Belive he was only 19 in a Stobart WRC Focus.

[jbmarcus21]

[PHOTOS] & [VIDEOS] du Day2 #Wrc #RallySweden
Wrc Rally Sweden 2013 (http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/suede-2013/)

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2830/3245c.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/3245c.jpg/)

[vkangas]

Interesting to see what Latvala can do tomorrow. According to MTV3 he's going to try something radical and will use Ogier's setup.

[danon]

... I expected more speed from Latvala, but to be honest, 4th will be great result for him considering Monte disaster. Looks like is taking more wise approach now, which I haven't seen so far from him previous seasons...

Latvala won't settle for a fourth place ever (long term)
The "wise" decisions ain't always taken by the pilots itself (team orders) ;)

[vkangas]

By the way Nikara has had flu & fever during the rally, always means something...

[Jerra]

Both legs and an arm. Half mile before he got to us. The kid had great prospects. Think this crash is what slowed him down. Belive he was only 19 in a Stobart WRC Focus.

Yes, it was in Stobart WRC Focus. When I saw onboard crash I was frozen, very massive impact on the high speed into the forest. He was really fast until that moment ... Were bad weather conditions, is it?

Just found on Wikipedia
However, in April 2005, on the Rally of Wales which is part of the British Rally Championships, he slid off the road on a sixth-gear corner whilst leading the event. He broke his right wrist and left forearm, as well as damaging his right knee. His co-driver, Scott Martin, also broke his left leg in the accident. Even now, almost two years on, when Matthew flexes his right knee, the screw that was fitted to assist the healing process is visible.

[tolis]

There is no other way to find someone to regularly beat Ogier. None of established drivers seems to be able to do so.
I don't search for someone to regularly beat Ogier, but for a performance like Tidemand's one. Faster than guys like Novikov and not struggling with Neuville, who is not at all experienced in snowy conditions.

[danon]

How is the "Hyena in action" doing so far guys...
Cruising and waiting the top dogs b-eat each other freeing a podium spot.
Smart, huh!!! :D

[danon]

"Hyena in action"...

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/1529/f31j.jpg

[Kielder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOjnGE40-DI

[GigiGalliNo1]

Wearing next to nothing!

Not on this occasion haha

[tigerlily]

Ketomaa won't restart today because his co-driver Kaj is unwell :(

source @Official_iRally on twitter

[tigerlily]

from @Official_iRally on twitter


Team says Kaj unwell last 2 days, saw doctor at Rally HQ, then to local hospital for check. Has heavy cold, sore throat, can't read notes.

Get well soon Kaj!

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti8smEnJT8Y

[tigerlily]

Ketomaa, Al Qassimi and Henning Solberg retired.
Henning left the service park but had to retire at the road section because of the alternator problem.

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCGz8Nkncc0

[stefanvv]

Looks like Loeb is on full attack

[Rally Talent]

I think we are seeing an OUTRAGEOUS battle between these two French virtuosos today!

[Perra71]

Loeb & Ogier pushing like mad, gonna be a great day!!!!

[WUff1]

It does not change anything, because already now Hänninen has bought his place in M-Sport and if they will find more budget he will continue to use Malcolm´s car rental services, but it can be also some other car rental...

Hänninen´s performance has been one the biggest disappointments in Sweden, but his last rally on snow was five years ago and now it is clear that their big mistake was not to drive any test events before Rally Sweden.

Ketomaa´s only chance to continue driving World Rally Car will be if DMACK will use him as a test driver. Nikara still has a lot of time to deliver, but it was very bad mistake to go out off the road on the SS 3. Otherwise he has driven very similar times to Henning and would be now 8th or 9th and the top ten was his aim.

I didn´t know Juho already paid for driving with M-Sport Ford at Monte and Sweden - of course that´s something different then.

[Miika]

The French ski instructors giving a proper whipping on snow for every single one out there.

[6789]

This would have to be the first non-Scandinavian 1-2 at Rally Sweden if everything finishes like it is now?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

No.

[mm1]

Do we have a live stream today?

[tigerlily]

Do we have a live stream today?

Here you are.
Playexklusivt: Svenska rallyt - 10/2 10:00 | SVT Play (http://www.svtplay.se/video/1007611/10-2-10-00)
It starts at 10:00 CET

[stefanvv]

Playexklusivt: Svenska rallyt - 10/2 10:00 | SVT Play (http://www.svtplay.se/video/1007611/10-2-10-00)

[mm1]

Thank you!

[Perra71]

Live action from SS19 Kirkener coming up on the SVT stream :)

[MikeD]

This would have to be the first non-Scandinavian 1-2 at Rally Sweden if everything finishes like it is now?

Finland isn't a Scandinavian country (Only Denmark, Sweden & Norway are). Seem to be a common misunderstanding in here.

Scandinavia[a] (http://www.motorsportforums.com/#cite_note-1) is a historical cultural-linguistic (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Culture) region in Northern Europe (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Northern_Europe) characterized by a common ethno-cultural Germanic (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Germanic_peoples) heritage and related languages that includes the three kingdoms (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Constitutional_monarchy#Modern_constitutional_mona rchy) of Denmark (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Denmark), Norway (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Norway), and Sweden (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Sweden). Modern Norway and Sweden proper[b] (http://www.motorsportforums.com/#cite_note-2) are situated on the Scandinavian Peninsula (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Scandinavian_Peninsula), whereas modern Denmark is situated on the Danish islands (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Danish_islands) and Jutland (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Jutland). The term Scandinavia is usually used as a cultural term, but in English usage, it is occasionally confused with the purely geographical term Scandinavian Peninsula (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Scandinavian_Peninsula), which took its name from the cultural-linguistic concept.[1] (http://www.motorsportforums.com/#cite_note-Ostergard-3) The name Scandinavia historically referred vaguely to Scania (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Scania). The terms Scandinavia and Scandinavian entered usage in the 18th century as terms for the three Scandinavian countries, their peoples and associated language (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Scandinavian_languages) and culture, being introduced by the early linguistic and cultural Scandinavist movement (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Scandinavism). Sometimes the term Scandinavia is also taken to include Iceland (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Iceland), the Faroe Islands (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Faroe_Islands), and Finland (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Finland), on account of their historical association with the Scandinavian countries.[2] (http://www.motorsportforums.com/#cite_note-eb-4) Such usage, however, may be considered inaccurate in the area itself, where the term Nordic countries (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Nordic_countries) instead refers to this broader group.[3] (http://www.motorsportforums.com/#cite_note-Nordic_Council-5)

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Yep.

[stefanvv]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/427287_501532689903872_1136753353_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/526396_501532759903865_1026923494_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/562990_501532839903857_1257989611_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Yep.

No HANA? :(

[stefanvv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsv7EQb7y4w

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Hana Ogier hana! Great driving by Sebs!

Finns can take some other countrys passport, bloody hell! Go to Copenhagen and take Swedish nationality!

[Kielder]

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/404516_425649994190491_1043562702_n.jpg

[dimviii]

Hana Ogier hana! Great driving by Sebs!

Finns can take some other countrys passport, bloody hell! Go to Copenhagen and take Swedish nationality!

ahahahahahahaha!!!
revenge at Mexico for Finns!

[Franky]

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/404516_425649994190491_1043562702_n.jpg

IED?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Maybe. Life is humans best time or drunk in the korsu.

[stefanvv]

:eek:
WRC 2013 Sweden Day 2 Highlights - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0n6c4rUjj1A#t=1352s)

You can see Al Khasimi crash in that clip too little before that.

[WUff1]

SS20 now live again

[MikeD]

Sordo in a snowbank. Prokop and Hänninen have past him...

[WUff1]

Novikov very late now!

[mm1]

Novikov also missing

[rallye-vid]

What a day :eek:

[stefanvv]

In this stage last year Loeb went off

[rallye-vid]

Ostberg & Latvala same time :D

[WUff1]

Novikov finally back on.

[BleAivano]

novikov rolled, car pretty smashed up, front window broken, oil is dripping out from the car...

[stefanvv]

Ogier on the throttle again, warming up for the PS

[Mirek]

I don't search for someone to regularly beat Ogier, but for a performance like Tidemand's one. Faster than guys like Novikov and not struggling with Neuville, who is not at all experienced in snowy conditions.

Do You think it's important who YOU are searching for? ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Novikov crashes again :( ... looks like Mads is the only hope for this season for Ford ...

[tolis]

Do You think it's important who YOU are searching for? ;)
Mirek, we are just chatting...nothing more! :)
You are welcome to the Acropolis to discuss it! :D

[Rallyper]

Finland isn't a Scandinavian country (Only Denmark, Sweden & Norway are). Seem to be a common misunderstanding in here.

Scandinavia[a] (http://www.motorsportforums.com/#cite_note-1) is a historical cultural-linguistic (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Culture) region in Northern Europe (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Northern_Europe) characterized by a common ethno-cultural Germanic (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Germanic_peoples) heritage and related languages that includes the three kingdoms (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Constitutional_monarchy#Modern_constitutional_mona rchy) of Denmark (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Denmark), Norway (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Norway), and Sweden (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Sweden). Modern Norway and Sweden proper[b] (http://www.motorsportforums.com/#cite_note-2) are situated on the Scandinavian Peninsula (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Scandinavian_Peninsula), whereas modern Denmark is situated on the Danish islands (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Danish_islands) and Jutland (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Jutland). The term Scandinavia is usually used as a cultural term, but in English usage, it is occasionally confused with the purely geographical term Scandinavian Peninsula (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Scandinavian_Peninsula), which took its name from the cultural-linguistic concept.[1] (http://www.motorsportforums.com/#cite_note-Ostergard-3) The name Scandinavia historically referred vaguely to Scania (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Scania). The terms Scandinavia and Scandinavian entered usage in the 18th century as terms for the three Scandinavian countries, their peoples and associated language (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Scandinavian_languages) and culture, being introduced by the early linguistic and cultural Scandinavist movement (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Scandinavism). Sometimes the term Scandinavia is also taken to include Iceland (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Iceland), the Faroe Islands (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Faroe_Islands), and Finland (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Finland), on account of their historical association with the Scandinavian countries.[2] (http://www.motorsportforums.com/#cite_note-eb-4) Such usage, however, may be considered inaccurate in the area itself, where the term Nordic countries (http://www.motorsportforums.com/wiki/Nordic_countries) instead refers to this broader group.[3] (http://www.motorsportforums.com/#cite_note-Nordic_Council-5)

Though the fact that Sweden and Finland was same country for about 600 yrs until 1809, I don´t think it´s very wrong to talk about Scandinavia and also have Finland in your mind. Finland and Sweden has so much in common, just like Sweden and Norway has as well. (Swe and Nor was in a union until 1905.... which is a pity it was split up, because of all oil there is in Norway...)

[A FONDO]

Massive respect for Rally Sweden organizers, this is how every loop of WRC should be!

Rahji is flying today!

[Tom206wrc]

novikov rolled, car pretty smashed up, front window broken, oil is dripping out from the car...


Smells the end of the rally for him(and Sordo) :s

[skarderud]

Henning found a shortcut? Beating ogier by 19sek?

[vkangas]

Can't trust the timing again? SS20 Henning fastest @ WRC.com....

[Miika]

Henning found a shortcut? Beating ogier by 19sek?

A gift from the Spanish friends.

[Rallyper]

Novikov´s time on stage 20?

Edit: +11.00 min... when timing´s working... :( :(

[stefanvv]

Best vehicle for drivers liking to jump in snow banks:
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2013/20130209/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130209-0901-max-VW-WRC13-02-MC-054.jpg

[BleAivano]

Novikov´s time on stage 20?

16.19,9

[Moriarty]

Novikov´s time on stage 20?
A little bit more then 16m. Must be 10th in overall

[MikeD]

Though the fact that Sweden and Finland was same country for about 600 yrs until 1809, I don´t think it´s very wrong to talk about Scandinavia and also have Finland in your mind. Finland and Sweden has so much in common, just like Sweden and Norway has as well. (Swe and Nor was in a union until 1905.... which is a pity it was split up, because of all oil there is in Norway...)

I disagree. Officially and per difinition Finland isn't a part of Scandinavia and I don't see the cultural and historic togetherness. You might see it but it's still not the official describtion of Scandinavia.
I was born and grew up in Denmark and I speak Danish fluintly and Swedish and Norwegian quite well. I have worked in all 3 Scandinavia countries and also for 6 months in Finland. I didn't think the Finnish ever gave me the impression that they were Scandinavians and I haven't meet anybody in my work in Scandinavian countries who gave the impression that they thought Finland was a part of Scandinavia.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Novikov

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCvMzW0CAAAtiS6.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

I'm surprised Latvala and Neuville finally haven't done any mistakes on that event :confused:

[HaCo]

Fingers crossed for Thierry now!

Great run by Mads, hope he can keep third spot!!!

[awake27]

Best vehicle for drivers liking to jump in snow banks:
http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Fans_Friends/1%20WRC/Rallye/Schweden/Berichterstattung/2013/20130209/Galerie_des_Tages/886x498px_vw-20130209-0901-max-VW-WRC13-02-MC-054.jpg
VW putting a full scale promotional campaign together with the proper rallying one!

[A FONDO]

I'm surprised Latvala and Neuville finally haven't done any mistakes on that event :confused:

They broke my pickems again, it's pure lottery with them :D

[Rasantes]

Sordo crash :(

http://i45.tinypic.com/1zf7upc.jpg

[Sprocket]

Sordo hit rock in crash, now listed as retired

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Novikov still fast on the splits :)

[stefanvv]

Novikov still fast on the splits :)

That's pure Russian spirit :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

That's pure Russian spirit :D

Novikov 9:04.5: "my mistake...it's narrow, I braked too late, we rolled...the car is OK, we just change the windscreen and we'll be fine..."

[awake27]

Novikov

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCvMzW0CAAAtiS6.jpg
My reaction -> Evgeny Novikov Crash - WRC Rallye de France Alsace 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsWnLnpBX7U)

[bluuford]

Welll, Novikov needs to make up aroun ten minutes he lost on previous stage :-P
His bad record with Ilka continues.. now third crash in a row.

[Sprocket]

That's pure Russian spirit :D

Novikov is becoming one of my favourite drivers, soon he'll get luck and excellent results ;)

They'll be a massive fight in the PS for extra points, is it worth the risk for Ogier or Loeb though?

[rallye-vid]

Loeb & Latvala giving up

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Novikov is properly fast, just needs to become more consistent and he can be a challenger.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Stage win for Mads ! :bounce:

[Perra71]

Am I the only one who thinks that splits should not be allowed in the car?
Ogier saw Loebs splits and therfore backed off, boooring!!

[rallye-vid]

Novikov faster than Hirvonen :rolleyes:

[MJW]

Am I the only one who thinks that splits should not be allowed in the car?
Ogier saw Loebs splits and therfore backed off, boooring!!
But it shows how much mental capacity he has that he can do this. Most of us would be using 100% of our brain power to keep the car on the road, these guys can turn it up or turn it down as they want.

[Rallyper]

I disagree. Officially and per difinition Finland isn't a part of Scandinavia and I don't see the cultural and historic togetherness. You might see it but it's still not the official describtion of Scandinavia.
I was born and grew up in Denmark and I speak Danish fluintly and Swedish and Norwegian quite well. I have worked in all 3 Scandinavia countries and also for 6 months in Finland. I didn't think the Finnish ever gave me the impression that they were Scandinavians and I haven't meet anybody in my work in Scandinavian countries who gave the impression that they thought Finland was a part of Scandinavia.

I didn´t speak per definition. And I live and grew up in Sweden and talk Danish and Norwegian as well if needed. And also some finnish words. What I mean is the historical fact that Sweden and Finland was same country for hundreds of yrs.

And you forgot to mention the swedish speaking group of finnish people which not has to be forgotten making Sweden and Finland maybe the most important brotherhoods of people after Sweden and Norway...

[Todor Kirchev]

Power stage ? any TV to watch?

[Tom206wrc]

Al Rajhi in SS21 :confused:

[rallye-vid]

Al Rajhi in SS21 :confused:

Whats wrong with him?

Yazeed should get the "Oi Oi Oi Oi Oi" award :)

[Sprocket]

Am I the only one who thinks that splits should not be allowed in the car?
Ogier saw Loebs splits and therfore backed off, boooring!!

I think splits need to be in the car, drivers respond both ways, though it is sad to see for this stage Loeb making mistakes and backing off and therefore Ogier backs off, but nobody wants to throw away a position now.

[Tom206wrc]

Tamrazov out ??? :confused:

[BleAivano]

Power stage ? any TV to watch?

http://www.svtplay.se/video/1007611/10-2-10-00

[Tom206wrc]

Whats wrong with him?

Yazeed should get the "Oi Oi Oi Oi Oi" award :)


His final time was long to come :mark:

[Sso]

Wilson upside down ... :roll:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCqFP-gCcAAwY2p.jpg


Heared his off, and in the break between historics and Sågen2 I went up to see the car. Wasn't too hard to get it back on the road again, was really nice talking to Matt, nice guy that unfortunately just don't have the speed..

[WUff1]

So best Citroen after Loeb is on position No. 16 ... :bandit:

I´m sure they will do everything to hold Loeb back on WRC ... ;)

[GallardoGT]

Am I the only one who thinks that splits should not be allowed in the car?
Ogier saw Loebs splits and therfore backed off, boooring!!

Are you sure Ogier had the splits because I had the idea that he made some tiny mistakes and hit the snowbanks watching his last corners on STV.

[rallyfanbelgium]

yes neuville place 5. I hope he end this rally and take his first points this year


http://www.facebook.com/bestrallyvideos

[ChristianArp]

Are you sure Ogier had the splits because I had the idea that he made some tiny mistakes and hit the snowbanks watching his last corners on STV.

That was Kirkener 2, the stage he backed off (Finnskogen 2) was not broadcast. :)

[MAXLD]

Are you sure Ogier had the splits because I had the idea that he made some tiny mistakes and hit the snowbanks watching his last corners on STV.

They have them. Yesterday he said the same to Rally Radio, backed off a bit according to the splits.

It's a tricky issue, teams will probably always demand splits information in order to avoid pushing and risking too much when there's no need for it (they have investments to protect). But also can help drivers in direct close fights to know when to push more in order to be faster.
To the spectators the rule should be always push to the limit, but spectator pleasing isn't the major priority that often in any sport.

[Iskald]

Why couldn't Citroen manage to secure the services of Mads Østberg? Great choice to go for Sordo instead...and Hirvonen hasn't exactly looked like a championship contender this weekend. Without Loeb they won't have much to cheer later in the year...

[kolvas]

Why couldn't Citroen manage to secure the services of Mads Østberg? Great choice to go for Sordo instead...and Hirvonen hasn't exactly looked like a championship contender this weekend. Without Loeb they won't have much to cheer later in the year...
I don't think citroen will be in Wrc soo many years after Loeb, max 3 years

[kolvas]

No livestream from PS?

[Perra71]

I don't think citroen will be in Wrc soo many years after Loeb, max 3 years

Correct me if i´m wrong but isn´t this Citroens final year in WRC?

[BruceC]

No livestream from PS?

Doesn't look like it. Next on at 15:45 local time. I guess it's too long and difficult to cover live. Shame.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mads finds a new use for studded tyres at the remote service in Torsby... :)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCvrZZKCAAEhbob.jpg

[stefanvv]

Looks like Hirvonen will go for PS win. Starts after Ogier

[Sprocket]

Mads finds a new use for studded tyres at the remote service in Torsby... :)




Illegal use of tyre warmers? :p

[Miika]

Correct me if i´m wrong but isn´t this Citroens final year in WRC?

With this kind of weekends (minus Loeb) it is going to be.

[rallye-vid]

PS: Ogier, Loeb, Ostberg

[stefanvv]

I don't think Loeb will be going for it, but we'll see

[rallye-vid]

You know Loeb.. If he wants something then it is a win ;)

Or a team order.. Go slow and make mikko happy ..

[Rallyper]

Mikko takes penalty to start after Ogier. Maybe PS win after all???

[MAXLD]

Correct me if i´m wrong but isn´t this Citroens final year in WRC?

Abu Dhabi 2013 deal with Citroen seems to be for the next 3 years.

ABU DHABI DRIVES CITROEN WRC BID (http://www.totalcompr.com/total-com-media/latest-news/item/224-abu-dhabi-drives-citroen-wrc-bid.html)

Seems Citroen was ready to officially pull the plug last year, facing the need to reduce costs, it's Abu Dhabi who is covering the amount needed for them to continue as an official team/manufacturer.

[stefanvv]

Latvala & Ostberg on par 2 splits

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikko takes penalty to start after Ogier. Maybe PS win after all???

Typical Citroen, clever tactics...

[Sprocket]

Mikko for PS win, I would love that, but Ogier not backing off according to Rally Radio because loses Rhythm in VW when he does.. it's going to be interesting!

[stefanvv]

Look at the Rocket Ogier now

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier is the new boss - flying even though just has to finish to win...

[Rallyper]

Ostberg proved even for the doubters he´s as fast as the top three guys. Looking very good for the future this year.

[tolis]

Ostberg proved even for the doubters he´s as fast as the top three guys. Looking very good for the future this year.
Don't forget that it was a snowy event.

[Sprocket]

Ogier + VW put the spark back in WRC! I'm almost wishing Loeb does a full season now and see Ogier fight him all the way for the titles.

[Todor Kirchev]

Congrat.. to Ogier ..and VW ..... cool 2nd rally and WIN!!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss... Sebastien #2 :burnout:

[rallye-vid]

Soo.. Ogier, Latvala, Ostberg

2 VWs in PS

[Rallyper]

Don't forget that it was a snowy event.

But you can´t blaim him for not being fast on gravel, can you??

[stefanvv]

Big congrats to whole VW team. Ogier for the victory, Latvala with his little progress with the car. I'm expecting really thrilling year :D

[rallye-vid]

I'm expecting really thrilling year :D

You mean fights for 2 and 3 place? ;)

[Rallyper]

Congrats to Ogier and VW!! A good job done. Not really expected in the competition in Sweden though. Big impression to me they managed so soon.

[dupanton]

Championship Standings:

1 Ogier 46
2 Loeb 43
3 Ostberg 24
4 Sordo 15
5 Latvala 14
6 Hirvonen 12
- Prokop 12
8 Neuville 10
- Bouffier 10
10 Hanninen 8

Manu:
VW 60
Citroën M1 57
Ford M1 32
Citroën M2 15
Lotos 12
Ford M2 10
Jipocar 8
6 Hirvonen

[bluuford]

Mikkoshould have packed his things before powerstage already... and swim to Mexico... He is the worst nr1 team driver in 2013 so far. even with the best start position he is so slow. missing some Red Bull?

[mstfozkan]

germans know that how to win aganist frenchs :) first of all find a frenchs driver.congratz other seb

[daanstrijk]

Big congrats to whole VW team. Ogier for the victory, Latvala with his little progress with the car. I'm expecting really thrilling year :D

This gonna be a exciting year! with some stunning fights!. Mexico gonna be interesting, what should that gravel do to the VW's!

[rallye-vid]

Yazeed! Great times for the son of the sand in a snow rally! :s mokin:

OiOiOiOiOi

[Bartek]

Congrats to Ogier.

For me main question is if Seb will change his mind?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Amazing win by Ogier - 1.30 ahead of team-mate, and former Sweden winner, JML... :eek:

He will take all the beating this year for sure. Looks like he will be as dominant as Loeb was ... :rolleyes:

Slightly disappointing for Ford as this was usually their banker event to win for the last few years. :(

[Miika]

Mikko should have kept his original driving position for the last stage, so that he would have something to hide behind.

[RS]

Amazing job by VW and Ogier. The car definitely seems great, but lets wait for some "normal" events too because Ford was always great in Sweden over the years as well.

I am stunned that Ogier could beat Latvala by so much in Sweden. I can only think that Latvala wanted to take it easy so he wouldn't crash again. Maybe good move for his future and his mental status.

[Sprocket]

Mikkoshould have packed his things before powerstage already... and swim to Mexico... He is the worst nr1 team driver in 2013 so far. even with the best start position he is so slow. missing some Red Bull?

Mikko fan here, looks like Loeb slowed for him in PS, and Mikko still misses out on the points, have we not seen it before? If he's not happy with his driving and enjoying himself this is what we see, when he is, he'll be in the championship fight again. Can't wright him off but I'm now thinking maybe it won't be his year for the driver's Championship. I'm thinking Sweden win crucial for his championship then Ogier runs away with it in new car and upsets everything!

[Rallyper]

I must throw in this small torch:

Citroen might need to improve car against VW. It might be that VW has stronger engine (more powerful I mean). So Citroen has to meet up with that fact. Even of course Ford...

[dupanton]

+ Ogier, Loeb, Ostberg, Neuville, Tidemand (what a pity his engine broke), Al Rahji and Grondal
- Latvala (no where near his teammate), Sordo, Hirvonen, Novikov (went off when he didn't need to push)

[MJW]

Couple of things to say in summary, I am so glad for Seb Ogier, I have been a big supporter since I saw him in JWRC in Mexico 2008 and he really is a great guy as well. Second point Seb Loeb is fantasic competitor and these twoFrench guys have really shown the rest of the field how far ahead they are.
Now comes the downside - I firmly believe Seb Loeb entered the first two rallies to see how a) fast, b) unreliable or c) how slow VW is? Now that Seb Ogier with a second in monte and first in Sweden has proven how good they are I wonder if Citroen board will hasten the move to WTCC soon?
I cant see Citroen stay around to see Seb Ogier and VW dominate :-(

[stefanvv]

You mean fights for 2 and 3 place? ;)

:D I know it looks like that right now, but I'm curious what Citroen are going to do about it. Besides the gravel still comes

[pettersolberg29]

This gonna be a exciting year! with some stunning fights!. Mexico gonna be interesting, what should that gravel do to the VW's!

On the current basis I fear this year may be even more boring than usual! Ogier is simply the best driver out there, and there is no threat whatsoever from Ford and its drivers. Mikko is becoming almost like Massa - simply unnoticeable and never on the pace. JML will show pace but no consistency, or consistency and poor pace as this weekend. Got to hope Sordo improves to provide Ogier with any sustained threat.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

If Ogier wins so comfortably on snow I cant see how the others are going to beat him on anything else ...

So strong from the very start with the new VW, its just another Seb thrashing the rest...

Rallying 'deja vu'. :rolleyes:

[stefanvv]

On the current basis I fear this year may be even more boring than usual! Ogier is simply the best driver out there, and there is no threat whatsoever from Ford and its drivers. Mikko is becoming almost like Massa - simply unnoticeable and never on the pace. JML will show pace but no consistency, or consistency and poor pace as this weekend. Got to hope Sordo improves to provide Ogier with any sustained threat.

Latvala's safety here is completely understandable for me. I would want to be in his place trashing 2 Polos for first 2 Rallies. He needs more expereince with the car.

[Sprocket]

Latvala's safety here is completely understandable for me. I would want to be in his place trashing 2 Polos for first 2 Rallies. He needs more expereince with the car.

I think JML was under orders to bring it home in one piece this rally, he did that. The car is looking good so far and when he has more experience the Ogier/Latvala combination will be awesome for VW.

[Barreis]

Ogier&VW champs 2013.

[tolis]

That's for Dim: Loeb when looking at Ogier! :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCvsdAfCYAA4s5t.jpg:large

[awake27]

I think JML was under orders to bring it home in one piece this rally, he did that. The car is looking good so far and when he has more experience the Ogier/Latvala combination will be awesome for VW.
I don't think Latvala was holding that much back. Maybe in the last leg but on the first 2 days he was never on the pace of Ogier. The fact also that a bad Latvala battled with Loeb for a half rally though shows that VW has the best car at the moment.

[WUff1]

+ Ogier, Loeb, Ostberg, Neuville, Tidemand (what a pity his engine broke), Al Rahji and Grondal
- Latvala (no where near his teammate), Sordo, Hirvonen, Novikov (went off when he didn't need to push)

+ Solowow
- Hänninen, Ketomaa

[alleskids]

Couple of things to say in summary, I am so glad for Seb Ogier, I have been a big supporter since I saw him in JWRC in Mexico 2008 and he really is a great guy as well. Second point Seb Loeb is fantasic competitor and these twoFrench guys have really shown the rest of the field how far ahead they are.
Now comes the downside - I firmly believe Seb Loeb entered the first two rallies to see how a) fast, b) unreliable or c) how slow VW is? Now that Seb Ogier with a second in monte and first in Sweden has proven how good they are I wonder if Citroen board will hasten the move to WTCC soon?
I cant see Citroen stay around to see Seb Ogier and VW dominate :-(

I think Citroen +Loeb want to jump ship as soon as possible and let Peugeot take over WRC under the Abu Dhabi banner.
Citroen + Loeb in WTCC in 2014?

[tolis]

Congratulations to Al-Rajhi! Great performance in snow!

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/379213_273688432761356_684135188_n.jpg

[Bartek]

That's for Dim: Loeb when looking at Ogier! :D


Loeb is thinking how to tell his wife that is going to Mexico? :) :)

[awake27]

Loeb is thinking how to tell his wife that is going to Mexico? :) :)
Loeb created a team last year (Sébastien Loeb Racing) and he will go circuit racing. European GT with McLaren MP4-12C, European Le Mans with Oreca 03 LM P2 prototype, possible qualification for Le Mans 24hours and testing for WTCC either this year or next year.

[ProRally]

Congratulations to Al-Rajhi! Great performance in snow!

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/379213_273688432761356_684135188_n.jpg

The son of the dessert rules on snow... and he is still learning !!! VERY VERY IMPRESSIVE

[tolis]

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/561490_428134833939547_1831268493_n.jpg

[tolis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IklvOyD2bmo

[RS]

+ Solowow
- Hänninen, Ketomaa

I don't agree that Hanninen was disappointing here. I am waiting (and expecting) to see more from him for sure when he gets as comfortable with the Fiesta as he was with the Fabia but he did a better job in Sweden with far less exeperience of the car or the rally than people like Hirvonen or Sordo.

[Georgi]

Congratulations to Al-Rajhi! Great performance in snow!



This guy is AMAZING! Fast and reliable! Don't know his speed on tarmac but I guess it's ok.

[Iskald]

Good performance from Al-Rajhi, but amazing? His closest rival Grøndal drove a Gr.N car, the rest of the guys in WRC2 were absolutely nowhere. Brynildsen had to withdraw, but I'm sure would have caught Al-Rahji even with his 1 min 40 secs penalty. Its fun to se Al-Rajhi win, but I'm more impressed by Grøndal who managed to keep him behind for such a long time with an inferior car.

[Mirek]

Am I the only one who thinks that splits should not be allowed in the car?
Ogier saw Loebs splits and therfore backed off, boooring!!

That was discussed to death in many threads. It would be nice but it's technically impossible to prevent any kind of getting splits in car. Even in IRC where they were not allowed teams always managed to find a way to inform their drivers at least in some occasions.

[rallye-vid]

Yazeed's last year Sweden performance wasn't that good. He improved a lot.

[Mirek]

Correct me if i´m wrong but isn´t this Citroens final year in WRC?


Now comes the downside - I firmly believe Seb Loeb entered the first two rallies to see how a) fast, b) unreliable or c) how slow VW is? Now that Seb Ogier with a second in monte and first in Sweden has proven how good they are I wonder if Citroen board will hasten the move to WTCC soon?
I cant see Citroen stay around to see Seb Ogier and VW dominate :-(

So far it looked like PSA wanted to stay, just maybe to switch back to Peugeot after Loeb retires but it's sure possible they leave when they see VW as too tough opponent (like they did in IRC). Anyway my hope is that they could be too proud to loose to Germans. Let's see :)

[MJW]

So far it looked like PSA wanted to stay, just maybe to switch back to Peugeot after Loeb retires but it's sure possible they leave when they see VW as too tough opponent (like they did in IRC). Anyway my hope is that they could be too proud to loose to Germans. Let's see :)
Citroen and Peugeot operate out of the same competitions dept, the staff even share an @mpsa email address. My guess it will be a re-branding, Citroen to WTCC with some new fangled hybrid 'creative technologie' logo and Peugoet back to WRC. Maybe I am reading too much into it but Peugeot now have the 1980's 205T16 colours on their rallycars, Audi (VW) vs Peugeot again? yes please :-)

[Rallying UK]

This is the moment Volkswagen Motorsport knew that Sébastien Ogier had won Rally Sweden - giving them their first WRC win in the Polo R WRC. Director of VW Motorsport, Jost Capito, is interviewed by SVT Sport in this audio clip: boo.fm/b1204208 (http://t.co/2XwjBH89)

[MikeD]

And you forgot to mention the swedish speaking group of finnish people which not has to be forgotten making Sweden and Finland maybe the most important brotherhoods of people after Sweden and Norway...

How about that IPSOS survey Aftenposten made, that showed that 68% of the Swedes in Skåne would like Skåne to be Danish again?

But apart from that then I agree that Sweden and Norway is more close whereas about 50% of the Danes looks towards Germany and UK af their brotherhood people.

Anyway, wrong thread - gonna kill this subject now :)

[RAS007]

Congrats to Ogier.

For me main question is if Seb will change his mind?


I really hope so. This is the first real competition he has faced in years.

[MikeD]

Citroen and Peugeot operate out of the same competitions dept, the staff even share an @mpsa email address. My guess it will be a re-branding, Citroen to WTCC with some new fangled hybrid 'creative technologie' logo and Peugoet back to WRC. Maybe I am reading too much into it but Peugeot now have the 1980's 205T16 colours on their rallycars, Audi (VW) vs Peugeot again? yes please :-)

The problem is that PSA is negotiating staff lay-offs with the French Government, and in France a company isn't allowed to hire and fire like in most other countries (some might remember when the French socialist Government in the 80'ies dictated everything in Renault as what can only be described as a hostile take-over). When it came out that PSA was to fire more than twice the expected in France itself, I can guarentee you that the French government wouldn't allow PSA to expand motorsport at the same time they lay off that amount of people. That's why Peugeot withdrew from WEC even beore it started in 2012 despite having agreed a full season with FIA. In other words there won't both be Citroën in WTCC and Peugeot in WRC at the same time - they simply wont be allowed even if they liked to.

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1121/1121_rally_sweden_2013_c42f900669.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1121/1121_rally_sweden_2013_42642e2132.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1121/1121_rally_sweden_2013_6b2414d892.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1121/1121_rally_sweden_2013_e0fb7852f6.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2013/1121/1121_rally_sweden_2013_6e97b71ffd.jpg

More photos from DAY3 and podium HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1121)

[stefanvv]

Loeb decided to drive in Sweden, because "this Rally challenges him". I have to say he had all other challenge here ;)

[tolis]

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/427370_409721262454106_338911347_n.jpg

[Ucci]

Also my congrats to Ogier and VW. As much I'm big fan of Loeb I always sent my congratulations to the driver, who was faster. And this time Ogier surprised us all. On the other hand both Sebs did a huge humiliation to Scandinavian drivers; on the top of that an Arab driver, who probably even don't know how to clean the snow of the windscreen - wins the WRC2 class.
So, beside Ogier I must praise also H.Solberg and Neuville, who surprised us and did not make any mistake. Good for him. The result of Mads is nothing special for me, he already proved that he is capable of winning snow events. And I'm afraid that is all he knows.....Don't expect something similar on upcoming events.
Just an average performance by Juha Hanninen, also one stupid mistake.....The same goes for Sordo.
Novikov-old story, again and again: he is bloody fast, but still not reliable. When will he learn??
And now the big losers : Citroen Team and Loeb. Yes, Loeb can not be happy to be beaten by Ogier. If he wolud lose against Mikko or even JML, that would be expected and tolerable. But now, leaving for a ''holidays'' and been defeated by young Seb, with new car, that one is not an easy one....Hirvonen needs one serious discussion with the team headquarter, he is their Nb.1 driver. But with this performance, Ogier will be a champion alreday in the summer.....

[MJW]

The problem is that PSA is negotiating staff lay-offs with the French Government, and in France a company isn't allowed to hire and fire like in most other countries (some might remember when the French socialist Government in the 80'ies dictated everything in Renault as what can only be described as a hostile take-over). When it came out that PSA was to fire more than twice the expected in France itself, I can guarentee you that the French government wouldn't allow PSA to expand motorsport at the same time they lay off that amount of people. That's why Peugeot withdrew from WEC even beore it started in 2012 despite having agreed a full season with FIA. In other words there won't both be Citroën in WTCC and Peugeot in WRC at the same time - they simply wont be allowed even if they liked to.
What if Abu Dhabi pay for the rally side of things?

[Rallyper]

#Ucci// I think you should give more credit to Mads Ostberg. Hasn´t he proved more than just being good at snow conditions?? You must have short memory. The arab winner, well, we can praise him, but please don´t overestimate his performance. But it´s very nice having these drivers in sweden, for sure.

But now to more impressions:

You guys has already forgot what Tidemand did in first leg? Remeber it was amongst his first couple of races in WRC car. Remember how he beat more experienced drivers from Finland, Belgium and Russia... So what about his work in Sweden? Wouldn´t it be great seeing him in a works car, let´s say in 2014???

[Francis44]

You guys has already forgot what Tidemand did in first leg? Remeber it was amongst his first couple of races in WRC car. Remember how he beat more experienced drivers from Finland, Belgium and Russia... So what about his work in Sweden? Wouldn´t it be great seeing him in a works car, let´s say in 2014???

C'mon, dont dream out load..... Over the years I've had a bunch of drivers succeding in their home rally and they end up amounting to nothing. Im not saying Pontus cant be a future choice but works car in 2014?! Please be real.

[Rasantes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCt7W54NAYg

[tfp]

I know the driver/donkey awards are usually only in the F1 section, but I believe there are some notable drivers and donkeys in Sweden!
First of all, drivers.
Ogier-fantastic, faultless performance, surprised us all. And this is one of the reasons why I love rally Sweden, the best man always wins.
Tidemand - another fantastic performance, certainly one that I didn't expect.

Middle, not quite drivers, not quite donkeys - JML, and Mads. I don't know what to think of those two after this event. This is probably Ostbergs best surface, and after seeing him slay all the giants from absolutely nowhere like 2 years ago, I expect better. The same can be said about JML.

Donkeys - Wilson. I am not one to bash Wilson, ever. But he is supposed to be Mr consistent, and I was hoping for another top ten finish for him.
Mikko - what was going on? After his roll, I was expecting a crazy drive and him to blow the doors off everyone on the stages like what happened in NORF a couple of years ago after he crashed into that tree.
Loeb - the whole point of him coming and competing in Sweden is because he has only ever won this event once. Not only did he fail to win, but he was beaten by the one man who he wants to fail, Ogier! This must have been a humiliation for Loeb, I bet he wishes he had stayed at home for this one, or behind the wheel of his MP4-12C.

[stefanvv]

You guys has already forgot what Tidemand did in first leg? Remeber it was amongst his first couple of races in WRC car. Remember how he beat more experienced drivers from Finland, Belgium and Russia... So what about his work in Sweden? Wouldn´t it be great seeing him in a works car, let´s say in 2014???

I liked his driving, clean, without put himself under pressure, achieved great result imho. It's shame what happened with the car. But I don't really know how he can handle all the variety in surfaces in the championship. This is the first Rally I watched him (thanks to SVT anyway :) , great effort by them).