Wrc RallyRACC Catalunya-Costa Daurada Rally de España 2012

[Back-N-Black]

Check this: http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/151040-rally-italia-sardegna-2012-18-21-october-2012-a-32.html#post1076561

Is the wheel already off at that point or is that the exact point at which he hits the "rock". That picture is too small for me to see anything. Just because someone photoshops an arrow on it doesn't mean anything.

Looks like he is about eight inches inside the line there, at this point. Wouldn't doubt that this exact point is where he hits said rock but I need a better picture than that.

[Coach 2]

Will Seb catch them on the first loop?

Most likely 80,5 km ss. 0,3 sec per km.

[stefanvv]

Is the wheel already off at that point or is that the exact point at which he hits the "rock". That picture is too small for me to see anything. Just because someone photoshops an arrow on it doesn't mean anything.

Looks like he is about eight inches inside the line there, at this point. Wouldn't doubt that this exact point is where he hits said rock but I need a better picture than that.

I think it is not rock at all, but the beginning of a sidewalk

[Back-N-Black]

I think it is not rock at all, but the beginning of a sidewalk

From that picture, at that exact point, it does indeed look like a sidewalk/driveway. I am guessing the rock was earlier and he got sucked into the driveway. Need video evidence.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q_BN7B-mcow

[bretddog]

Is the wheel already off at that point or is that the exact point at which he hits the "rock". That picture is too small for me to see anything. Just because someone photoshops an arrow on it doesn't mean anything.

Looks like he is about eight inches inside the line there, at this point. Wouldn't doubt that this exact point is where he hits said rock but I need a better picture than that.

All reports and talks of this incident are wrong. The wheel drops down in an aqueduct going under the road, to the full extent of the suspension. You can see if looking more closely at the video.

Not saying it's any better than hitting a rock. Maybe it's been cut out more by cars, but it's still the same story, Petter cut's more and gets hurt more. Odd he doesn't realize and change his style.

[dimviii]

What happened? Another engine?

no announcement yet?....


edit
http://www.wrc.com/results/2012/rallyracc-catalunya-costa-daurada/retirements/

[stefanvv]

You can see if looking more closely at the video.

Where I can see the video?

[stefanvv]

I don't understand this then: "...At the end of a day of chaos, there were no more dramas on Salou, but there was one pre-stage, with Sebastien Ogier - who was poised to move into sixth overall - stopping his Volkswagen Motorsport Skoda Fabia on the road section after Terra Alta."

EDIT: Ahh, there is mistake for 6th & 7th positions here - http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=253&filtr=

[bretddog]

Where I can see the video?

I don't have the link, but it was youtube.

[stefanvv]

I don't have the link, but it was youtube.

Yes I found some:
where the picture is from - Petter Solberg crash WRC Rally Italia sardinia 2012 Tergu - Osilo RARE! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVUCYaD_fkI)
onboard - Petter Solberg SS7 Crash WRC 2012 Rally Italy - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPOq8AtJlLc)
& wtf - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NYR4RzExv-w#t=173s & WRC Rally Italy-Sardinia Tergu-Osilo 2012 + crash Petter Solberg HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NYR4RzExv-w#t=450s)

Sadly the rock hasn't been there in the recce indeed...

[danon]

Where I can see the video?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBimieIcBcs

[rallye-vid]

Petter "The Rock" Solberg :vader:

[stefanvv]

Big rock, big thing :dozey:

[stefanvv]

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/video-rally-spain-friday-evening-wrap/?vid=2724

[dimviii]

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/video-rally-spain-friday-evening-wrap/?vid=2724
Lucky Weijs with this crash without damage!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/530874_10151245523298641_1715834896_n.jpg

[stefanvv]

Lucky Weijs with this crash without damage!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/530874_10151245523298641_1715834896_n.jpg

He is cheating again, this time with a tree :D

EDIT: Nikara was also "lucky" thinking fast - http://www.wrc.com/news/archive/how-a-wheel-saved-the-day-for-nikara/?fid=17872

[Back-N-Black]

Yes I found some:
where the picture is from - Petter Solberg crash WRC Rally Italia sardinia 2012 Tergu - Osilo RARE! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVUCYaD_fkI)
onboard - Petter Solberg SS7 Crash WRC 2012 Rally Italy - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPOq8AtJlLc)
& wtf - WRC Rally Italy-Sardinia Tergu-Osilo 2012 + crash Petter Solberg HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NYR4RzExv-w#t=173s) & WRC Rally Italy-Sardinia Tergu-Osilo 2012 + crash Petter Solberg HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NYR4RzExv-w#t=450s)

Sadly the rock hasn't been there in the recce indeed...

Massive cut again, when will he learn?

[Munkvy]

This isn't exactly the first rally this year where competitors have been unable to finish due to the conditions getting their cars stuck, I wonder when some of them will start fitting winches to their cars and the like..?

[Rallyper]

Both. Refering to quote 475 or something like that.

[stefanvv]

No, the answer is - on the front

[Rallyper]

Funny how petter has crashed AGAIN, while Ostberg has out in a great peformance once again to lead the rally. Now who really deserves a seat at Msport next year?? ;)

Both.

[Allyc85]

And what has Petter done this year to deserve it?

[pettersolberg29]

And what has Petter done this year to deserve it?

Even as a fan, he's done very little. However, who deserves it more? Potentially only Paddon, Meeke or Juho assuming Sordo goes to Citroen, but I'd still say Petter is much quicker than those 3. Not as consistent perhaps, but quicker. Petter isn't a title challenger based on this season, however I'd fancy him to win races while Ostberg, Paddon, Meeke et al are still not there yet, either through lack of experience or simply lack of pace. Yes I know Ostberg has won this season, and is leading at the moment, however both were in odd circumstances. On pace alone he's nowhere near Petter.

[stefanvv]

How about Tanak? He is consistent lately in his first WRC year, Probably Ford will make a good team of 2 young ambitious drivers. Solberg began this year well, but the second part is a disaster really, even not fighting for the victory...

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q5EYLVsU7gI

[pettersolberg29]

How about Tanak? He is consistent lately in his first WRC year, Probably Ford will make a good team of 2 young ambitious drivers. Solberg began this year well, but the second part is a disaster really, even not fighting for the victory...

Hmm still not sure about Tanak - may make it one day but certainly too risky to drop Petter for Tanak. However rubbish Petter's season has been, he's still got almost as many points as Latvala, who a lot of people think is one of the top guys in the WRC, while Tanak has not really shone at all. I'd even put Novikov ahead of Tanak.

[stefanvv]

Hmm still not sure about Tanak - may make it one day but certainly too risky to drop Petter for Tanak. However rubbish Petter's season has been, he's still got almost as many points as Latvala, who a lot of people think is one of the top guys in the WRC, while Tanak has not really shone at all. I'd even put Novikov ahead of Tanak.

Yes, Novikov is fast this year, but is not comparable with his few WRC years already, still error prone and his navigator is changing, and is not certain who's gonna be 2013, so I cannot put it as safe bet, while Tanak is really progressing if you compare their first WRC years.

[pettersolberg29]

Yes, Novikov is fast this year, but is not comparable with his few WRC years already, still error prone and his navigator is changing, and is not certain who's gonna be 2013, so I cannot put it as safe bet, while Tanak is really progressing if you compare their first WRC years.

Sorry to the mods for a brief off-topic while the rally is sleeping, but it's an interesting point! I fully agree Petter doesn't deserve a top seat, however I still feel he's in the top 5 or 6 rally drivers in the world despite his recent form and therefore it makes sense for him to be picked. He's also excellent for publicity and still has the most fans by a distance. Putting pressure on Ostberg and Tanak to lead a top team like Ford is a huge risk, and could stunt their growth. Petter or Sordo needs to be the main driver there, and let Ostberg consistently pick up points as the top drivers crash and make errors. Maybe one day Ostberg will be quick enough to win in normal conditions, but as it is I really don't think he's capable. Only 10 stage wins before this rally, and 5 of them came in Italy while others were cruising. As for Tanak v Novikov, a pointless debate for me! Both are rank average at the moment compared to the top guys, but Tanak admittedly has potential, while Novikov has excellent little bursts now and again. Come back to me in 3 years and maybe Tanak will be a factory driver.

[tolis]

Day 1 Highlights: WRC 2012 Spain Day 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0NWvC7ncew)

[tfp]

A very unusual rally this one!
About Petter I was pretty annoyed that he crashed out yet again. With all the younger drivers coming up he will have to battle for his seat. However I think Petter would still win this battle, IMO he is still quicker than the youngsters. I think eventually Tanak or Novikov will push him out of a seat, but that time is not yet.

[pettersolberg29]

IMO he is still quicker than the youngsters. I think eventually Tanak or Novikov will push him out of a seat, but that time is not yet.

Agreed - summed up my thoughts in a slightly more concise way than I did!

[irish_tiger]

Sorry to the mods for a brief off-topic while the rally is sleeping, but it's an interesting point! I fully agree Petter doesn't deserve a top seat, however I still feel he's in the top 5 or 6 rally drivers in the world despite his recent form and therefore it makes sense for him to be picked. He's also excellent for publicity and still has the most fans by a distance. Putting pressure on Ostberg and Tanak to lead a top team like Ford is a huge risk, and could stunt their growth. Petter or Sordo needs to be the main driver there, and let Ostberg consistently pick up points as the top drivers crash and make errors. Maybe one day Ostberg will be quick enough to win in normal conditions, but as it is I really don't think he's capable. Only 10 stage wins before this rally, and 5 of them came in Italy while others were cruising. As for Tanak v Novikov, a pointless debate for me! Both are rank average at the moment compared to the top guys, but Tanak admittedly has potential, while Novikov has excellent little bursts now and again. Come back to me in 3 years and maybe Tanak will be a factory driver.
Im sorry as much as i admire Peter he hasnt won a WRC rally since 2005 - thats seven years !! , he can drive to a certain pace when he goes over that he goes off . How many times has he taken front corners off cars this year ? I think someone else said he has retired seven times this year , his time has gone give someone else a chance and maybe with testing etc of the type that Jari Mati and Petter have enjoyed this year maybe the likes of Tanak ,Novikov , or Ostberg would improve and be more consistint - instead of Jari Mati and Petter consistintly crashing !!! Its either one or the other all the year ... :mad:

[bluuford]

I said that Solberg has retired six times.. now it is seventh.. if I am not wrong. You have to keep in mind the fact that Novikov and Tänak get around zero test kilometers, Ostberg gets as many as he has resousrces (not too much) while Solberg and Latvala are testing for days. Also Neuville gets pretty many test km. On that light, Ostbergs results are just fabulous.

[pettersolberg29]

Im sorry as much as i admire Peter he hasnt won a WRC rally since 2005 - thats seven years !! , he can drive to a certain pace when he goes over that he goes off . How many times has he taken front corners off cars this year ? I think someone else said he has retired seven times this year , his time has gone give someone else a chance and maybe with testing etc of the type that Jari Mati and Petter have enjoyed this year maybe the likes of Tanak ,Novikov , or Ostberg would improve and be more consistint - instead of Jari Mati and Petter consistintly crashing !!! Its either one or the other all the year ... :mad:

Don't disagree with much of that, however Petter and JML crashing is a sign of how hard they're having to push at the moment. Ostberg may finish every event, however he isn't pushing very hard and finishes minutes down on the winner. Petter and JML push hard to either get a top result or be unfortunate and retire. Having both in the same team is dangerous, however Petter and Ostberg would make a good team, especially without Loeb so Petter doesn't feel the need to push as hard to keep up.

[pettersolberg29]

I said that Solberg has retired six times.. now it is seventh.. if I am not wrong. You have to keep in mind the fact that Novikov and Tänak get around zero test kilometers, Ostberg gets as many as he has resousrces (not too much) while Solberg and Latvala are testing for days. Also Neuville gets pretty many test km. On that light, Ostbergs results are just fabulous.

Ostberg is hardly a novice though - he's been in the WRC for about 5 years. And yes, testing would make a huge difference, however even with no testing I'd expect someone who is ready for a top seat (i.e. be able to challenge for the title/rally wins) to show occasional flashes of pace. You can get lucky or teach consistency, but it's harder to teach speed.

edit: don't want to dismiss Ostberg's achievements, but still can't fully see the hype. Good driver, not a great one.

[sollitt]

There's an old adage which says "if you continue to do what you've always done, you'll continue to get what you've always got".

pettersolberg29, you're very opinionated on who should be in nthe teams & who has the credentials. I don't believe that you're on the money with either and in fact the continued promotion of Petter is, sadly, a recipe for continued failure.

[Tom206wrc]

Second leg is about to start :cool:

[GigiGalliNo1]

Started!

[Tom206wrc]

Loeb slower than Östberg on split 1 SS7...I hope it won't last :mark:

[Kielder]

Loeb slower than Östberg on split 1 SS7...I hope it won't last :mark:

Ostberg's soft tyres are working well.

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala too fast :mad:

[Kielder]

Latvala is flying! There are two options of saying goodbye to Ford...
Today or tomorrow?

[spiderem]

Latvala on crashing pace.

[GigiGalliNo1]

So perhaps JML will be fighting for the win! :D

[Adler]

curious about Nikaras speed on tarmac, really hope he can keep the pace and make it to the finish!

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala is flying! There are two options of saying goodbye to Ford...
Today or tomorrow?


On next SS8 and its 45km...bye bye Latvala :p :

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo faster than Loeb on penultimate split ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Nikara not that faster than Weijs on split 1 SS7 ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Quoting "KiwiWRCfan: new career for Mathew Wilson - shoe shine man for factory drivers."

[Kielder]

Sordo's car onto three cylinders.
Many things have to change in that car for the future, who knows who'll drive it (apart from Nobre and "drivers" like him).

[leighton323]

Sordo's car onto three cylinders.
Many things have to change in that car for the future, who knows who'll drive it (apart from Nobre and "drivers" like him).

It's a shame, he was on track for a good time as well..

[A.F.F.]

Latvala on crashing pace.

Flat out or nothing.

That's the way to do it :up:

[A.F.F.]

Nikara not that faster than Weijs on split 1 SS7 ;)

But at the end of the stage he is by 4.6 seconds ;)

[Kielder]

Flat out or nothing.

That's the way to do it :up:

More than ever. In addition, he is not going to use the car anymore.
I don't know which is the destiny that the last official Ford deserves, a win or a crash.

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo's car onto three cylinders.
Many things have to change in that car for the future, who knows who'll drive it (apart from Nobre and "drivers" like him).


If he returns to Citroën he will have the material to show what he's made of until the end of each rally next year ;)

[stefanvv]

Latval is too fast, or Loeb is lazy this morning :confused:

[A.F.F.]

More than ever. In addition, he is not going to use the car anymore.
I don't know which is the destiny that the last official Ford deserves, a win or a crash.

Obviously win but to be honest, Latvala may get individual stage wins on tarmac but in the long run, Loeb just pushes through. We all know Loeb will win this rally if he doesn't face any misfortune.

[leighton323]

Anyone else noticing Paddon's splits, impressive!

[stefanvv]

indeed :D someone has to replace Ogier's pace now...

[Tom206wrc]

Enrique Garcia Ojeda and his DS3 R3 feel better on today tarmac than on yesterday mud ;)

[Kielder]

If he returns to Citroën he will have the material to show what he's made of until the end of each rally next year ;)

That's the point, to have a car which at last can reach the end of each rally. Sad image for BMW.


Obviously win but to be honest, Latvala may get individual stage wins on tarmac but in the long run, Loeb just pushes through. We all know Loeb will win this rally if he doesn't face any misfortune.

Ford deserves it, M-Sport (Wilson) don't.
Yes, the Loeb's sand clock started to work, as always did.

[Tom206wrc]

Problem for Elfyn Evans :s maybe a puncture :confused:

[irish_tiger]

Latvala is flying! There are two options of saying goodbye to Ford...
Today or tomorrow?
Lol .... ah brilliant !! :-)

[Tom206wrc]

Start SS8 :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

At last !!! Let's hope Loeb is awake now(-1" on Östberg on split 1) :D

[Tom206wrc]

Problem for Östberg ??? He already lost 32" to Loeb on 3rd split :s

[GigiGalliNo1]

Osberg had an off! :(

[A.F.F.]

That's not an off. That's merely " a moment " ;)

[stefanvv]

It'll be interesting day, Loeb & Latvala pretty much the same pace...

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvonen about to be third(if Östberg continues to lose so much) :confused:

[spiderem]

Gutted for ostberg... Hope loeb will push latvala to crash so he can still get 3rd championship position :) mouhahaha.

[Tom206wrc]

And Weijs faster than Nikara :p :

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo really in pain with his engine(almost as fast as Östberg without having done mistake) ;(

[stefanvv]

Bad tyre choise for Ostberg & Tanak 2 softs, 2 hards :(

[Rallyper]

And what has Petter done this year to deserve it?

Enough fast when not going off. Starquality that most of other drivers lack very much, and is a value for the team and brand.

[Kielder]

Gutted for ostberg... Hope loeb will push latvala to crash so he can still get 3rd championship position :) mouhahaha.

Now it's difficult, though I hope he gets the third position in the Championship. At least his pace is enough to replace Latvala. Moreover, he's been a good customer for Wilson.
This was a strange season, but Ostberg's results have been better than Latvala's ones before joining the official team. He is ready to go one step forward.

[werner]

PWRC: Ligato looses his chances for the title ...
Guerra has a good pace and if he dont retire he get the championship.

[BleAivano]

Enough fast when not going off. Starquality that most of other drivers lack very much, and is a value for the team and brand.

Star quality does not matter when you had your 7th DNF for the season due to crashing. Petter should follow Loeb into retirement.

[Tom206wrc]

GO SEB :bounce:

[stefanvv]

P. Nobre SS8: Of course we want to win this SS, but we are so far away... :D

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Mikko is driving so good at tarmac. Keep going!

[skarderud]

Wonder if østberg gets his info from msport or adapta?
feels a litle dodgy this tyrechoice strategy he lost alot on...

[Kielder]

The results of the Ostberg's "moment":

http://i50.tinypic.com/5vpzwj.jpg

[darkstar]

latvala sounds a bit desperate...loeb still in another world.

[stefanvv]

latvala sounds a bit desperate...loeb still in another world.

It is difficult with that adrift at the morning and running behind Loeb. 2nd place will be still great result for him...

[dimviii]

Pitty that Sordo can t fight with the 3cyl mini.

HANA JARKKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[spiderem]

Otsberg faster than Mikko...

[dimviii]

from Colins twitter

Martin Järveoja(Kruuda's co) posted a picture where Thierry's and his Co's helmets were returned after being 'stolen'.. .by some marshals. Here's the picture (if you can see pictures on the phone)

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/533652_454672681245494_2095166436_n.jpg

[Mirek]

Paddon is doing great today.

By the way someone said yesterday there is no chance of making any positions on asphalt after a gravel leg...

[A FONDO]

http://forum.radiogong.net/images/smilies/qip/bj.gif

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/18265_4943126304146_343386678_n.jpg

[Rallyper]

Star quality does not matter when you had your 7th DNF for the season due to crashing. Petter should follow Loeb into retirement.

Starquality matters very much. And if you at the sam time have a driver who is fast maters even more. What should you change to? A bunch of boring drivers with nothing of carisma. RThen the sport whould die. We´ve had enough of that for some time now.

But in PS case: look forward. Not backwards. Even Loeb can hit a stone sometimes. Remember Sardinia?

[rallye-sport]

Update with this morning ->http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-despagne-2012/


http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/espagne-2012/vialatte_aurelien_76.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/espagne-2012/vialatte_aurelien_63.jpg

[A FONDO]

Quoting "KiwiWRCfan: new career for Mathew Wilson - shoe shine man for factory drivers."

No no, he has a new sport to SHINE in

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225265_5559522365_2630_n.jpg

[A.F.F.]

No no, he has a new sport to SHINE in

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225265_5559522365_2630_n.jpg


Does that also include a five-year-plan? :D

[tolis]

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/10476_10151246300573641_2130199402_n.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Enrique Garcia Ojeda can take Suarez position and get 1st of 2WDs before end of leg :D

[ProRally]

Anyone else noticing Paddon's splits, impressive!

He can drive flat out, nothing to loose..... only thing he can show is stage wins....

[tommeke_B]

Update for Dimvii halfway the rally. :)

Nikara-Weijs
Day1-Gravel
SS1. 4'48"5 - 5'05"0 - Nikara fastest, Weijs + 16"5 (2"36/km)
SS2. 16'32"2 - 17'32"1 - Nikara fastest, Weijs + 59"9 (2"25/km)
SS3. 31'07"5 - 31'29"3 - Nikara fastest, Weijs + 21"8 (0"49/km)
SS4. 17'11"3 - 17'32"3 - Nikara fastest, Weijs + 21"0 (0"79/km)
SS5. 37'32"4 - 33'22"3 - Weijs fastest, Nikara + 4'10"1 (mistake)
SS6. 2'40"5 - 2'39"9 - Weijs fastest, Nikara + 0"6 (0"3/km)
Day2-Asphalt
SS7. 12'11"7 - 12'16"3 - Nikara fastest, Weijs +4"6 (0"22/km)
SS8. 27'48"7 - 27'25"2 - Weijs fastest, Nikara +23"5 (0"51/km)
SS9. 9'52"4 - 9'49"1 - Weijs fastest, Nikara +3"3 (0"23/km)

Nikara: 5
Weijs: 4 (+QS)

[stefanvv]

2nd loop is on and Latvala looks like on the throttle again :)

[wwbroe]

No, it is Seb who takes besttime and keeps the lead.

[stefanvv]

Tanak great time, wants to compensate morning delay probably

[tommeke_B]

Prokop losing a lot now?

[wwbroe]

Weys just a little faster as Nikara again :p

[Bartek]

Sordo out ? Ok, he is 22 on the road, faster than anyone after first split, come on Dani

[rallye-vid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvSu5Y37ZiQ

[stefanvv]

The repair took too long for Sordo as it seems.

EDIT: proper times for Sordo finally. What they did in the service :D

[Gregor-y]

Colin starting fights with small children...

[Bartek]

Now Sordo have good car to show what he can :)

[wwbroe]

Great time indeed for Dani, pitty he didn't survive yesterday's stages. Hope he can show us some more great speed. Hope he moves to Citroen next season. ;)

[OldF]

The repair took too long for Sordo as it seems.

EDIT: proper times for Sordo finally. What they did in the service :D

From iRally:

Failed injector on Sordo's MINI - he was due out at 1318: he checked out at 1345 and has 4 minutes 30 of penalties

[dimviii]

Finally engine failure for Ogiers fabia
World Rally Championship - News - Ogier satisfied despite early exit (http://www.wrc.com/news/ogier-satisfied-despite-early-exit/?fid=17889)

[dimviii]

Weys just a little faster as Nikara again :p

[excuses mode on]Not bad for the gravel driver Jarkko, for no testing with the slower Mini[/excuses mode off] :D

[wwbroe]

Looks like Ott Tanak is on crashing speed, fastest trough on split 2

[dimviii]

Mikko will pass Mads after stage

[tommeke_B]

[excuses mode on]Not bad for the gravel driver Jarkko, for no testing with the slower Mini[/excuses mode off] :D
Last year after the season on a party Hans told me "There is practically no difference between the 3 WRCars at the moment, the driver must do it, if you look at the lines some guys are taking, on asphalt, it's normal that they lose some time." I'll leave it empty who "some guys" are... :)

[wwbroe]

Differences between top drivers are not so big on long stage like this, only Mads is not able to follow rythm.

[stefanvv]

Differences between top drivers are not so big on long stage like this, only Mads is not able to follow rythm.

Ostberg has some setup issues.

[dimviii]

Last year after the season on a party Hans told me "There is practically no difference between the 3 WRCars at the moment, the driver must do it, if you look at the lines some guys are taking, on asphalt, it's normal that they lose some time." I'll leave it empty who "some guys" are... :)

almost truth ;)

[dimviii]

Ostberg has some setup issues.

"The set-up on the car is absolutely horrible. The car is so so soft, I lose the grip everywhere, I am just sideways. This is not good for the results as we lost so much time. It is hopeless."

[tommeke_B]

almost truth ;)

That was last year, and actually I think the difference between the cars was smaller last year. ;)

[tommeke_B]

@ Dimvii: Do I see Nikara is losing quite a lot of time compared to Weijs?

[stefanvv]

Tanak will catch 4th next stage probably. Can he get another podium tomorrow? :)

[wwbroe]

Hans Weys clearly faster as Nikara on this one, did you put the beers cold allready Dimvii? :D

[dimviii]

@ Dimvii: Do I see Nikara is losing quite a lot of time compared to Weijs?

Yes he loosing a lot at this long stage as at 1st pass.The only stage Nikara won at asphalt was ss7 where Weijs did a mistake.
At stage 9 were very close.
Nikara at some stages is ok,at others looses a lot,but we don t know all the parameters to have a safe conclusion ie if he found a right setup,tyre choice etc.

[stefanvv]

Nikara seems to had runs almost the same as Atkinson so far. Considering this I would say the main parameter is called Mini.

[wwbroe]

Look at Sordo's splittimes, he is on a massive attack :eek:

[dimviii]

very good stage for Weijs, faster than Novikov-Prokop

[wwbroe]

He will catch up with the car in front of him very quickly, they start with 2 mins interval today?

[dimviii]

Nikara seems to had runs almost the same as Atkinson so far. Considering this I would say the main parameter is called Mini.

i think that is Nikaras inexperience at asphalt than Mini.See Nikaras yesterday gravel stage times,or Sordos today after miday service times.

[dimviii]

,but we don t know all the parameters to have a safe conclusion ie if he found a right setup,tyre choice etc.

Jarkko Nikara (Mini) 27:16.3 - Left rear wheel the tracking is bent - "We had a problem I hit a barrier a bit and I think our rear wheel is not right and the car was quite difficult to drive."

[dimviii]

Look at Sordo's splittimes, he is on a massive attack :eek:

seems Loeb on safe mode

[wwbroe]

seems Loeb on safe mode

Yes, that is also true, but great pace by Sordo anyhow

[stefanvv]

This is Sordo's home Rally, it is expectable to be really fast

[vkangas]

I really hope Nikara can keep it on the road and put some good times tomorrow with fixed car. He's had his problems but all in all I would say he's doing a good job in his first ever WRC rally. Yesterdays gravel speed with 10 km's of gravel testing was really good and this day shows he has also potential on tarmac.

[dimviii]

Miday video with Osberg out of road
World Rally Championship - Video - Browse All - Rally Spain: Saturday Midday Wrap (http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/video-rally-spain-saturday-midday-wrap/?vid=2728)

[wwbroe]

Another besttime for Dani

[wwbroe]

Haydon Paddon is setting some stunning times today, i know he has nothing to loose, but you have to do it anyway.

[tommeke_B]

With 1 more stage this day... :)

Nikara-Weijs
Day1-Gravel
SS1. 4'48"5 - 5'05"0 - Nikara fastest, Weijs + 16"5 (2"36/km)
SS2. 16'32"2 - 17'32"1 - Nikara fastest, Weijs + 59"9 (2"25/km)
SS3. 31'07"5 - 31'29"3 - Nikara fastest, Weijs + 21"8 (0"49/km)
SS4. 17'11"3 - 17'32"3 - Nikara fastest, Weijs + 21"0 (0"79/km)
SS5. 37'32"4 - 33'22"3 - Weijs fastest, Nikara + 4'10"1 (mistake)
SS6. 2'40"5 - 2'39"9 - Weijs fastest, Nikara + 0"6 (0"3/km)
Day2-Asphalt
SS7. 12'11"7 - 12'16"3 - Nikara fastest, Weijs +4"6 (0"22/km)
SS8. 27'48"7 - 27'25"2 - Weijs fastest, Nikara +23"5 (0"51/km)
SS9. 9'52"4 - 9'49"1 - Weijs fastest, Nikara +3"3 (0"23/km)
SS10. 11'51"8 - 11'49"3 - Weijs fastest, Nikara +2"5 (0"12/km)
SS11. 27'16"3 - 26'26"9 - Weijs fastest, Nikara +49"4 (1"07/km)

Nikara: 5
Weijs: 6 (+QS) :beer:

[dimviii]

Nikara: 5
Weijs: 6 (+QS) :beer:
lolololololol

[wwbroe]

Besttime for Ott Tanak on last stage of the day, maybe Sordo will be faster but good pace by Ott.

[dimviii]

Nikara some problem at 3rd split

[dimviii]

Tanak passed Mads

[tommeke_B]

So Nikara has to be faster than Weijs 5 times tomorrow, or you lose your bet, Dimvii. :D

[stefanvv]

Nikara was just about to equalify the result, but something went wrong

[stefanvv]

Tanak passed Mads

He can keep him behind tomorrows I believe, but he also could pass Hirvonen with this pace

[dimviii]

So Nikara has to be faster than Weijs 5 times tomorrow, or you lose your bet, Dimvii. :D

why 5 times? 5-7 score for Weijs, with Nikara bent car for 2 stages.
till now at gravel he is faster no question,and at asphalt, at stages without problems is slightly slower from the asphalt expert Weijs.Lets see tomorow how will drive both of the young rookies.

[dimviii]

Nikara was just about to equalify the result, but something went wrong

[SS12] Jarkko Nikara (Mini) "We had a problem, we went off a little bit. Not so good these stages for me, we make some mistakes.

[tommeke_B]

why 5 times? 5-7 score for Weijs, with Nikara bent car for 2 stages.
till now at gravel he is faster no question,and at asphalt, at stages without problems is slightly slower from the asphalt expert Weijs.Lets see tomorow how will drive both of the young rookies.
5-7 in favor of Weijs indeed. So if Nikara would be faster 4 times, both are on 9, and then Weijs has the "QS-bonus" (you said it was ok this morning :D ). So he needs to be faster 5 times. :cool:

[dimviii]

5-7 in favor of Weijs indeed. So if Nikara would be faster 4 times, both are on 9, and then Weijs has the "QS-bonus" (you said it was ok this morning :D ). So he needs to be faster 5 times. :cool:

did i ? :p

[tommeke_B]

Asked Nikara about the joker and told me that there is no problem,give it as a gift. :p

Post 467 Dimvii. :p

[dimviii]

Post 467 Dimvii. :p
can t find it. :D

[Tom206wrc]

I hope Hirvonen can keep both Tänak and Östberg behind him tomorrow sunday :cool:

[tommeke_B]

I hope Hirvonene can keep both Tänak and Östberg behind tomorrow sunday :cool:

In for a bet? :D

[stefanvv]

In for a bet? :D

This beer must be good :D

[vkangas]

We need motorsportbettingforums... :)

[dimviii]

In for a bet? :D

are you already drunk? :D

----------------------------------------------

Checking the tyre pressures is Daniel’s responsibility, just as it is before every stage. “’El Prioriat’ is very long, so I will let a little more air out than usual. By this time tomorrow, I will have retired,” he muses. “And, for the very first time, we’ve got music in the car for the road sections; that’s cool!”
Before SS11: Checking pressures with the pressure off! (http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/Bestofrallylive/News/Before-SS11-Checking-pressures-with-the-pressure-off)

[tommeke_B]

No dimvii ;) Just joking. :)

[dimviii]

Just joking. :)

me too ;)

[tolis]

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/374144_446028082121293_1540979874_n.jpg

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/36299_10200092198806930_1156815378_n.jpg

[denkimi]

Checking the tyre pressures is Daniel’s responsibility, just as it is before every stage. “’El Prioriat’ is very long, so I will let a little more air out than usual. By this time tomorrow, I will have retired,” he muses. “And, for the very first time, we’ve got music in the car for the road sections; that’s cool!”
Before SS11: Checking pressures with the pressure off! (http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/Bestofrallylive/News/Before-SS11-Checking-pressures-with-the-pressure-off)
I still don't get that. on every cheap consumer car, you can get tyre-pressure sensors these days. why don't they just install them in wrc cars? it will only add about 100 grams and will be able to see all 4 pressure in real-time while driving.

is it against the rules, of has just nobody ever thought of this?

[dimviii]

I still don't get that. on every cheap consumer car, you can get tyre-pressure sensors these days. why don't they just install them in wrc cars? it will only add about 100 grams and will be able to see all 4 pressure in real-time while driving.

is it against the rules, of has just nobody ever thought of this?

rules i think.Only in rally raids like Dakar i think is permited.

[Tom206wrc]

Enrique Garcia Ojeda can take Suarez position and get 1st of 2WDs before end of leg :D

DONE !!!! Ojeda finished leg on 21st position :)

[Allyc85]

Come on Craig Breen, bring it home tomorrow. 3.19 in the lead :D

[Barreis]

From yesterday...
Photos du journal | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151160556428952&set=a.334989268951.153758.334811638951&type=1&theater)

[dimviii]

where is Jafry?

[Hartusvuori]

I know Nikara should be making more faster stage times than Weijs (if that's the measure), but for his favour it must be mentioned he's driving a Mini (against a Citroen) and this is his third asphalt rally ever (Corsica and Barum being the previous two - or how was it in 2009?). Still, it's fun to watch and I am not loosing faith. This is by far the most interesting thing for me in this rally. :-)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1104/1104_rally_racc_catalunya_-_costa_daurada_2012_1b9cbef77e.jpg



http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1104/1104_rally_racc_catalunya_-_costa_daurada_2012_0a3910f2f5.jpg



http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1104/1104_rally_racc_catalunya_-_costa_daurada_2012_498abdaf2c.jpg



http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/1104/1104_rally_racc_catalunya_-_costa_daurada_2012_f1b9f2b195.jpg



More photos from from DAY2 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1104)

[stefanvv]

You must respect he is still holding on after yesterday's "hell" :)

[rallye-sport]

New Update here -> http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-despagne-2012/

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/espagne-2012/vialatte_aurelien_107.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/espagne-2012/vialatte_aurelien_116.jpg



http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/espagne-2012/vialatte_aurelien_105.jpg

[mikkov]

I know Nikara should be making more faster stage times than Weijs (if that's the measure), but for his favour it must be mentioned he's driving a Mini (against a Citroen) and this is his third asphalt rally ever (Corsica and Barum being the previous two - or how was it in 2009?). Still, it's fun to watch and I am not loosing faith. This is by far the most interesting thing for me in this rally. :-)

Nikara has actually done Catalonia in 2009 and Rallye du Var in 2010 and aren't some BRC rallyes tarmac too? I think part of the problem is the last 100ke he could scramble together, he "has" to drive safe and fast and usually it's not possible. Anyway I hope he learns fast and makes some good times tomorrow.

[tolis]

Nikara has actually done Catalonia in 2009 and Rallye du Var in 2010 and aren't some BRC rallyes tarmac too? I think part of the problem is the last 100ke he could scramble together, he "has" to drive safe and fast and usually it's not possible. Anyway I hope he learns fast and makes some good times tomorrow.

He did Barum, Corsica and Jim Clark in 2012. In 2011 no tarmac rallies for him. In 2010, he did Rallye du Var, Ulster Rally, Isle of Man and Jim Clark. In 2009, he did Catalunya. That's all! :D
Goooooooo Nikara!!!

[tommeke_B]

WRC Rally Catalunya 2012 - Nobre crash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjrYYbFN2SM)

Nobre

[stefanvv]

WRC Rally Catalunya 2012 - Nobre crash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjrYYbFN2SM)

Nobre

The problem is he took the corner too slowly :D :D :D

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qwl0T7_mCXE

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7XEPVPCcAAqxG4.jpg

[Mirek]

Now imagine someones brakes fail before the junction...

[tommeke_B]

Now imagine someones brakes fail before the junction...

Sometimes it's better to not imagine things... But you made a fair point! Media vests are good in some way that people have to do their work, but it can't be ment to take these kind of risks...

[stefanvv]

Now imagine someones brakes fail before the junction...

No, not possible

[uranium]

Now imagine someones brakes fail before the junction...

They think, they are in circus, and car are well trained.
People don't ever think about their safety, they prefer to think that bad things can happen only to smbd else.

[stefanvv]

They think, they are in circus, and car are well trained.
People don't ever think about their safety, they prefer to think that bad things can happen only to smbd else.

I had to admit this is true. But I think also some people don't realize the trajectory a car might take if something (whatever it is) goes wrong.

[Fly_Half]

Now imagine someones brakes fail before the junction...

It's the compression effect of a long telephoto lens, which gives the illusion of the background appearing closer than it actually is. HOWEVER, I've seen some of the places the WRC photographers stand and they seem to think the vests give them a license to stand wherever the hell they like, often with no regard for their own safety.

There are pictures from Sardinia at Mickey's Jump for example, showing a well known WRC tog actually standing in the middle of the stage taking shots. Crazy.

[tommeke_B]

This has nothing to do with a compression effect. They're just in the middle of the braking zone behind the hairpin, if you brake too late, you end up where they are standing... I still believe most of the photographers keep safety in mind, but you always have some who don't. Also this hairpin is a bit of a difficult situation if you want to take nice pictures...

[stefanvv]

More close to the action is directly proportional to the danger you're exposing on

[danon]

Now imagine someones brakes fail before the junction...

Irrelevant example!
You know it pretty well yourself - why.


P.S. Do not make me go into details because countless negative situations can be listed what can happen going speedy.
Consider what 4-wheels can do for example...

[uranium]

I am not expert in photography, but I am aware that current level of technology development makes possible remotely control photo camera and make shots whatever you want same as you take camera in your hand.
But in th first case it will be dangerous for your camera only

[stefanvv]

South-Western European countries (Portugal, Spain, may be southern France) are known with these unwise spectators standing on dangerous places. I don't really know if group B was really "so" dangerous because of the cars

[Xsara Fan]

Evgeny Novikov got 10 minutes(!!!) penalty from RallyRACC organizers. Why? Oooo... that`s funny! His tyres was in too bad condition. Stupid? Yes. But now he is only 11th. And his chances to get points are very small. Now in Top-10 there are only Michelin-drivers. Is it coincidence?

By the way! At Sardinia nobody has penalty for 'tyres in too bad condition'...

[stefanvv]

Nothing can surprise me these days

[ValentinPrz]

Why Mads Ostberg sprayed water on the left front wheel of Mikko Hirvonen before of SS7 of Rally of Catalunya? (Video Best of Rally Live - Second 16)

[SashaIF]

Evgeny Novikov got 10 minutes(!!!) penalty from RallyRACC organizers. Why? Oooo... that`s funny! His tyres was in too bad condition. Stupid? Yes. But now he is only 11th. And his chances to get points are very small. Now in Top-10 there are only Michelin-drivers. Is it coincidence?

By the way! At Sardinia nobody has penalty for 'tyres in too bad condition'...
That's because he uses DMACK tyres but not Michelin.
On Sardegna sometimes cord was on the outer part of the tyre, and no problem, and here nothing bad with tyre and he got the penalty.
And why 10minutes? why not 1 or 2 minute, maybe they must disqualify him because he have DMACK and he is in Top 10.

[sollitt]

Haydon Paddon is setting some stunning times today, i know he has nothing to loose, but you have to do it anyway.It's not entirely correct to say he has nothing to lose. In terms of the championship or the round win ... yes, there's no pressure, but this event is about showcasing his ability to further his career and another 'off' will not help that.

As for 'stunning', to those who know his history and capabilities his performance is not really that surprising.

[SashaIF]

Why Mads Ostberg sprayed water on the left front wheel of Mikko Hirvonen before of SS7 of Rally of Catalunya? (Video Best of Rally Live - Second 16)
That's why Ostberg is out of top 3 now.

[stefanvv]

Why Mads Ostberg sprayed water on the left front wheel of Mikko Hirvonen before of SS7 of Rally of Catalunya? (Video Best of Rally Live - Second 16)

Cool them down :confused:

[Juha_Koo]

Evgeny Novikov got 10 minutes(!!!) penalty from RallyRACC organizers. Why? Oooo... that`s funny! His tyres was in too bad condition. Stupid? Yes. But now he is only 11th. And his chances to get points are very small. Now in Top-10 there are only Michelin-drivers. Is it coincidence?

By the way! At Sardinia nobody has penalty for 'tyres in too bad condition'...

WTF? Where's the stewards decision?

[dimviii]

Why Mads Ostberg sprayed water on the left front wheel of Mikko Hirvonen before of SS7 of Rally of Catalunya? (Video Best of Rally Live - Second 16)

he is not spraying water on his tyres,just touched his tyre to see the temp while had the bottle in his hand

[Spud]

I hear Powell has retired with a mechanical problem...can anyone confirm?

[dimviii]

I hear Powell has retired with a mechanical problem...can anyone confirm?

i read that he retired because was ill.


edit
http://www.wrc.com/news/archive/powell-fears-spanish-exit/?fid=17883

[stefanvv]

he is not spraying water on his tyres,just touched his tyre to see the temp while had the bottle in his hand

Of course even this bottle of water can't do any harm with the temperature (or grip)

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eRlYzZr62hY

[BleAivano]

WTF? Where's the stewards decision?


Colin Clark wrote this on twitter:


Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally (https://twitter.com/voiceofrally) Haven't read the ruling yet but hearing that Novikov has been given a 10min penalty
because of condition of his tyres. Sounds odd to me!

[Kielder]

Now imagine someones brakes fail before the junction...


This has nothing to do with a compression effect. They're just in the middle of the braking zone behind the hairpin, if you brake too late, you end up where they are standing... I still believe most of the photographers keep safety in mind, but you always have some who don't. Also this hairpin is a bit of a difficult situation if you want to take nice pictures...


South-Western European countries (Portugal, Spain, may be southern France) are known with these unwise spectators standing on dangerous places.

In this case, it's impossible a car running over the photographers. Maybe an accident after a brake failure could happen in the left bend before the junction, but never in that right junction. There are hundreds of bends more dangerous than that hairpin in every rally. If you know it, it's an obvious compression effect, as Fly_Half said. There are dozens of meters from the angle of the hairpin to the place where the photographers are standing (if you don't believe me you can see this last year's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_IsDoSgve4).
Another point is talking about photographers who think that a media vest is a suit of armour or saying that spectators in the South of Europe are crazier than spectators in the North of Europe. These should be discussed in another thread.
There are better or worse rallies than this, but please don't throw biased information on a rally which at least work in security at the same level as the others of the Championship.

[stefanvv]

In this case, it's impossible a car running over the photographers. Maybe an accident after a brake failure could happen in the left bend before the junction, but never in that right junction. There are hundreds of bends more dangerous than that hairpin in every rally. If you know it, it's an obvious compression effect, as Fly_Half said. There are dozens of meters from the angle of the hairpin to the place where the photographers are standing (if you don't believe me you can see this last year's video: SS10 El Molar Rally Spain - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_IsDoSgve4)).
Another point is talking about photographers who think that a media vest is a suit or armour or saying that spectators in the South of Europe are crazier than spectators in the North of Europe. These should be discussed in another thread.
There are better or worse rallies than this, but please don't throw biased information on a rally which at least work in security at the same level as the others of the Championship.

I agree the distance is quite a lot, but this indeed contradicts with all spectator safety bulletins should be spreaded at every Rally. At least at that place there should be barrier (even this is not safe enough, but that is another matter), which is not the case I believe. You probably have watched videos from 85/86's and see what I mean, now that was really crazy.

[dimviii]

http://www.citroen-wrc.com/wp-content/gallery/espagne-12/lr_Hirvonen13SPA12b591.jpghttp://www.citroen-wrc.com/wp-content/gallery/espagne-12/lr_Loeb13SPA12b588.jpg
http://www.citroen-wrc.com/wp-content/gallery/espagne-12/lr_Loeb13SPA12b521.jpg
really big difference from the angle the photo taken

[dimviii]

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/977_530791830284128_1790036683_n.jpg

[dimviii]

The Finn will finish on 151 points by taking second with Ostberg netting 147 points for coming home fifth. If Norwegian Ostberg scored three bonus points for winning the Power Stage and Latvala was outside the top three positions on the test, it wouldn’t be enough to overhaul Latvala.
World Rally Championship - News - Latvala: fight for third far from settled (http://www.wrc.com/news/latvala-fight-for-third-far-from-settled/?fid=17903)

[Spud]

i read that he retired because was ill.


edit
World Rally Championship - News - News Archive - Powell fears Spanish exit (http://www.wrc.com/news/archive/powell-fears-spanish-exit/?fid=17883)

Thanks much for the clarification!! Its really a shame but it must have been an amazing journey and an exciting time for John and Mike. Id just like to wish them the best for the future with the hope that maybe next year they can return to the WRC at some point. Big up!!John and Mike!!!! Maximum respec!!!

[dimviii]

Good morning guys!

beer anyone? :D

[bluuford]

Good morning guys!

beer anyone? :D
Good morning.. I had a few overnight :-)

[dimviii]

Good morning.. I had a few overnight :-)
good morning bluuford! will it rain? Petter expects rain .

[Martin Liddle]

WTF? Where's the stewards decision?
http://www.rallyracc.com/2012/online/tablon/documentos/STW_Decision_No7.pdf

[bluuford]

good morning bluuford! will it rain? Petter expects rain .

No, maybe a few raindrops were in the middle part of the stage but should not be eough for Petter. It looks like very small and light raincloud passed the stage 20 minutes ago already.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Go Ott go!!

[dimviii]

[SS14] Evgeny Novikov (Ford) 16:59.8 "We have to drive very carefully because we are afraid will get another penalty… That is how it is for the moment."

[dimviii]

Sordo again for scratch

[spiderem]

Looks like novikov is a very unhappy man... I don't know if it is sarcasm or the way he feels... Also is he pissed off against the organisation or against Dmack???

[Tom206wrc]

Good morning guys!

beer anyone? :D


You lost !!! Weijs was constantly faster than Nikara on both stages of this sunday morning :p :

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Novikov cry baby cry... :D

[dimviii]

Looks like novikov is a very unhappy man... I don't know if it is sarcasm or the way he feels... Also is he pissed off against the organisation or against Dmack???

of course about Dmack.Organisation did their work properly.

[Tom206wrc]

Chinese tyres show how bad qualitiy they are made of :confused:

[dimviii]

You lost !!! Weijs was constantly faster than Nikara on both stages of this sunday morning :p :

no beer for you.

[Sulland]

http://www.rallyracc.com/2012/online/tablon/documentos/STW_Decision_No7.pdf

This has to be the worst stewards decision I have ever read.

There cant be one asphalt rally where you do not see slicks or thread after longer Ss where the driver chose a tyre that was too soft.
1,6 mm on all tyres at all times, is a hard rule to play with for the teams.

there has to be something laying under this one. Getting down corner speeds for safety is the obvious one.

[dimviii]

This has to be the worst stewards decision I have ever read.

no decision is very right.



there has to be something laying under this one. Getting down corner speeds for safety is the obvious one.
this is laying under is that you can make tyres to worn fast so after some km they are totally slick=advantage compare to others with 1,6 minimum thread.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pBYyn4MLe7c

[GigiGalliNo1]

This has nothing to do with a compression effect. They're just in the middle of the braking zone behind the hairpin, if you brake too late, you end up where they are standing... I still believe most of the photographers keep safety in mind, but you always have some who don't. Also this hairpin is a bit of a difficult situation if you want to take nice pictures...

We do take safety into fact when at rallies. We have very thick MEDIA GUIDELINE and SAFETY books, they're huge with every media point that is an advantage to photographers. Where to stand, where NOT to stand and so on. The head of Media at FIA will come find you and bar you from the rest of the rally without any warnings if you are seen on video, from the helicopter or reported. Sometimes you get the young photogs and they do silly things. Last I remember at Rally Australia in 2010 a release was sent on where a few photographers were positioned. I know for a fact that having a Media Bib/Vest on does NOT give you the right to stand anywhere you want. You have to think of safety first. You'd be stupid not to!


I am not expert in photography, but I am aware that current level of technology development makes possible remotely control photo camera and make shots whatever you want same as you take camera in your hand.
But in th first case it will be dangerous for your camera only

Remote triggers are becoming common now a days with photographers. Go Pro video cameras as well. But it's the medias fault if anything happens to the gear.

[HarriK]

Weijs stopped on stage.

[dimviii]

Weijs stopped on stage.
2 beers for you

[eestlane]

Weijs rolled down a hill 1 time, then continued 100 m and then stopped.

[A.F.F.]

Weijs has somewhat five minutes to stop before Nikara pass him.

[tommeke_B]

We do take safety into fact when at rallies. We have very thick MEDIA GUIDELINE and SAFETY books, they're huge with every media point that is an advantage to photographers. Where to stand, where NOT to stand and so on. The head of Media at FIA will come find you and bar you from the rest of the rally without any warnings if you are seen on video, from the helicopter or reported. Sometimes you get the young photogs and they do silly things. Last I remember at Rally Australia in 2010 a release was sent on where a few photographers were positioned. I know for a fact that having a Media Bib/Vest on does NOT give you the right to stand anywhere you want. You have to think of safety first. You'd be stupid not to!
You're talking for yourself now... ;) I use the media safety book (it's not THAT thick) mostly to avoid going to places where many other photographers are going. In general the local occasional photographers are the ones with no sense of danger (being on completely mad places) and no respect for public (for example going to stand straight in front of them 10 minutes before a stage starts while the public is waiting on that place for over an hour, while the photographer could well be on a few meters more to left or right, where he does not annoy the public and would give him even better photos). But ok... In some way it's a useless discussion because nothing is going to change anyway, not before someone is hit by a rallycar...

[Tom206wrc]

Weijs stopped on stage.


:mark:

[tommeke_B]

never mind who is faster at the end,stage times i want to see :p


Wherever you come i owe the beers,even if Nikara is faster. :D

:p

[dimviii]

:p

can i count stage wins the rest stages? :p :

[tommeke_B]

can i count stage wins the rest stages? :p :
Yes, the number is even then, and then Weijs has his "QS-bonus", so I win... IF he did it one stage earlier, you would have won. :p

[Juha_Koo]

No tyre penalties is Sardinia - why? Because it appears that in the sporting regulations 61.3.4, it only says about "asphalt tyres". So gravel tyres can be completely destroyed (aka not have any tread pattern visible) and no penalties will come. This is not the case in tarmac rallies.

[dimviii]

at championship Mads is 4 points ahead of Jari.
At the positions they are now, Jari is taking 18 points and Mads 15 points.So everything is going to decided at power stage seems.

[dimviii]

Yes, the number is even then, and then Weijs has his "QS-bonus", so I win... IF he did it one stage earlier, you would have won. :p

no gifts at next bets for anybody. :D

[dimviii]

No tyre penalties is Sardinia - why? Because it appears that in the sporting regulations 61.3.4, it only says about "asphalt tyres". So gravel tyres can be completely destroyed (aka not have any tread pattern visible) and no penalties will come. This is not the case in tarmac rallies.

yes because at gravel rallies you do not have advantage with worn tyres at gravel.

[tommeke_B]

That's when people become overconfident... :p

I really hope Mads can become 3rd in the championship, he made a lot of improvement this year, especially on asphalt. Really fast and consistent driver, really deserves a factory seat...

[pettersolberg29]

at championship Mads is 4 points ahead of Jari.
At the positions they are now, Jari is taking 18 points and Mads 15 points.So everything is going to decided at power stage seems.

Mads only getting 12 points at the moment in 4th place surely?

[Fly_Half]

This has nothing to do with a compression effect.

Having seen other angles, it has everything to do with the compression effect.

[dimviii]

Mads only getting 12 points at the moment in 4th place surely?

my mistake,i count for Mads 3rd position points.So he has to pass Mikko to have some chances.Difficult..

[tommeke_B]

Having seen other angles, it has everything to do with the compression effect.
It doesn't really change the question. If you are on 5 or 15 meters, when you are sitting down, it doesn't make such a difference. What makes some difference is the corner before the hairpin, that "breaks" the speed a lot, didn't see that on the other photo.

[stefanvv]

Good morning guys!

beer anyone? :D

Yes please :D I'm still drunk today after having a couple yesterday, so I need refreshing :D

EDIT: I have no luck. Nikara seems to win all-in-all, cheers :D
EDIT 2: Too bad for Weijs. Glad everybody are ok

[tommeke_B]

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s480x480/387879_10151291806900733_1056726140_n.jpg Weijs his car, could be worse.

[dimviii]

Santa Marina 2 will be the power stage.26,51 km

[Antony Warmbold]

http://www.citroen-wrc.com/wp-content/gallery/espagne-12/lr_Hirvonen13SPA12b591.jpghttp://www.citroen-wrc.com/wp-content/gallery/espagne-12/lr_Loeb13SPA12b588.jpg
http://www.citroen-wrc.com/wp-content/gallery/espagne-12/lr_Loeb13SPA12b521.jpg
really big difference from the angle the photo taken

There is a Citroen guy knealing down in the first pic, with a laptop connected to what appears to be a speed measuring device, on a tripod. Has anybody noticed this before? Looks to me like a good place to measure car acceleration all the way down that long straight (I know this stage, you get way up into sixth gear there, from 1st or 2nd gear depending on the driver). Interesting to see where you stand. If that is indeed the case I would looove to see the results of the top 10 cars.

[HarriK]

Will there be any live stream from Power Stage?

[dimviii]

https://o.twimg.com/1/proxy.jpg?t=FQQVBBhMaHR0cDovL2Rpc3RpbGxlcnlpbWFnZT cuaW5zdGFncmFtLmNvbS9lZGY5ODQ0ZTJiZTUxMWUyOGZhNzIy MDAwYTFmYmNlYV83LmpwZxQCFgASAA&s=488pFxOoZSi9Kw3Y1HKSQdwJyLws-o9CbTo1rPRQsOk

[stefanvv]

There is a Citroen guy knealing down in the first pic, with a laptop connected to what appears to be a speed measuring device, on a tripod. Has anybody noticed this before? Looks to me like a good place to measure car acceleration all the way down that long straight (I know this stage, you get way up into sixth gear there, from 1st or 2nd gear depending on the driver). Interesting to see where you stand. If that is indeed the case I would looove to see the results of the top 10 cars.

Yes, I did noticed that, but had no idea who and what for is that. Thank you for sharing this, it would be interesting such statistics, but I have not seen such ever except some fan made in Germany this year...