Poll: Which Rallies should be included in the 2013 ERC (European Rally Championship)?

[pucky54]

Rules:
- max 10 rounds of 25 options can get your vote
- you can only vote once
- poll expires at November 1st

[EightGear]

Funny Hellendoorn is in the list, haha.

[pucky54]

Funny Hellendoorn is in the list, haha.

Yeah, I was not sure about the two other event that have applied for ERC, so I added Hellendoorn

[Jeppe]

I think you should add Arctic Lapland Rally - Tunturiralli (http://www.arcticrally.fi/index.php?lang=en) to the poll. They were already on the way to 2012 IRC calender but organizers didn´t want to pay the fees.

+ As a Finnish competitor I really much want to see it in the 2013 ERC calender ;)

[dupanton]

Also, the Dutch championship allows WRC etc in their rally's. So the rally should have to a) choose b) organise 2 rallies c) competitors should hire an other car for 1 rally in a year. I don't see any of these 3 happening :)

[EightGear]

That's exactly the same with Ypres in the Belgian championship. I don't think it will be a big problem for the top Dutch drivers, this year in Sulingen (Germany) there were Kuipers, van Merksteijn, Wevers, Swaanen all in non-WRC cars.

But still it would be totally unrealistic for Hellendoorn to be part of the ERC. :p

[werner]

I remember early 90ies Hellendoorn Rally was a very popular ERC Event (Coef. 10?) with nice entry lists. But I think many things are changed.

Thank you pucky for create this thread. Its not easy to pick out 10 rounds from that list, I think FIA will show us a first calendar in two weeks.

I tried to make a good mix of Asphalt (Barum, Corse, Mille Miglia, Ypres, Asturias) and gravel (Poland, San Marino, Scotland, Bosphorus). Last one I dont remember ... :-) Valais want to be in WRC from 2014 (and they should), Madeira / Acores / Canarias were big events in the 90ies, where money comes from Organizer, but today they are too expensive for ERC. If somebody want to waste money with travel, can go into WRC.

For future, ERC should have every year two new events, instead of the two unpopular rallies of current season (point system made by FIA Observer).

[dupanton]

That's exactly the same with Ypres in the Belgian championship. I don't think it will be a big problem for the top Dutch drivers, this year in Sulingen (Germany) there were Kuipers, van Merksteijn, Wevers, Swaanen all in non-WRC cars.

But still it would be totally unrealistic for Hellendoorn to be part of the ERC. :p

Maybe it's no problem for the big guys. But guys like Smits, Van Hoof etc. are regular drivers in the championship, but can't use their cars if it would be ERC.

But OK, i don't think that will be the case in the next 5 years ;)

[dupanton]

And now just hope FIA will read this and follow our opinions :D

[rallye-vid]

And now just hope FIA will read this and follow our opinions :D

I think it's easier to get P. Nobre to be a world rally champion than get the FIA to read our needs ;)

[Kielder]

Yeah, I was not sure about the two other event that have applied for ERC, so I added Hellendoorn

One of them was this Galician rally: 48 Rallye Internacional Rías Baixas 2012 (http://www.rallyeriasbaixas.com/48/)
It will be included some year in the new ERC if the FIA obeys our needs for 2013, then Loeb participates (without win it) in the Championship and after that Eurosport is changed for NOS as promoter of the ERC :p .

Seriously, is one of the oldest rallies in Spain, included in its Championship. FIA Observer was Ludek Kopecký, who showed satisfaction with the development of the event. He also stated that this event can stand along other events in Spain that counts towards the European Rally.

[gravelman]

How about the Manx???

[Sulland]

Ref the other poll:

Sorry, must blame my secretary for not picking that one up !
San Remo is in.

But you forgot almost all the suggestions to include something from the North of Europe, and by that getting in a winter rally. If the new and refurbished ERC is to attract drivers from the north, there has to be some rallies up north in ERC I think. Hard to get sponsorship locally, if no display locally !

If ERC is to be new, it might need some new rallies as well!

Lets compare notes of the two polls in the end !

[pucky54]

Yeah lets see...
So Jänner is first event confirmed and will start the season of the "new" European Rally Championship in 2013
I guess there will be no second winter event...

[Luis Pacheco]

The Azores are in the running for a place in the ERC.
Sata quer ficar no novo "Europeu" (http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4135 :s ata-quer-se-manter-no-novo-qeuropeuq&catid=70:irc&Itemid=129)

Government support seems assured again despite the elections next sunday.

[EightGear]

12 rallies.
Eurosport: European Rally Championship will echo 1970s glory days - IRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103254)

[Kiril Antonov]

Mabanol sliven rally erc 2013

[RS]

12 rallies.
Eurosport: European Rally Championship will echo 1970s glory days - IRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103254)

I hope it stays at a maximum of 12, and I hope the scoring regulations are kept simple. I don't like dropped scores, it makes to too complicated to understand for the general public. On the other hand a 12 event calendar is difficult to afford for privateers. Thoughts guys?

[AndyRAC]

When the WRC has only 12/13 rounds, does a European series need 12?

I get the feeling they’re trying to start almost from new – so why run before they can walk? How about 8 top quality events – all over Europe. It could be a great series, providing it’s run correctly. Will Eurosport be wanting silly money for an event? Also, all events have to have the same TV coverage – the one criticism of the IRC was the hit & miss coverage. The Live events were great – the others were pretty poor.

[Dobromir Ivanov]

Mabanol Rally Sliven !!!

[B.K.]

I'm also supporting mabanol rally sliven, the best mountain roads ever

[Mirek]

lol, so many new members just to support Sliven rally. I would never think that an internet forum poll worth an action like that... It's silly.

[Mirek]

Dear Bulgarian friends. It is nice to support Your rally but please be aware of these points:

1) This poll was made to see the opinion of forum members. To start dozens of new profiles in purpose to make image of Sliven rally better ruins the idea.

2) This poll has no impact on the future of Your rally. Eurosport and FIA will decide what will be part of the calendar, not some internet poll.

3) The poll was made to see which CALENDAR the members would like to see. That means not vote for ONE rally but for a COMPLETE calendar. Voting for one rally makes the poll completely useless.

Thank You for spoiling a good idea...

To explain to our members. In last hours there was like 40 new voters but no increase for any other rally except Sliven. That's what I find silly...

[OldF]

I don’t know if it’s possible but a voting system similar to the European song contest where it’s only possible to vote for songs that are not from someone’s home country would solve this kind of behaviour.

PS I think it can be possible in some cases because for example I can see advertisements in Finnish on this forum.

[janvanvurpa]

I don’t know if it’s possible but a voting system similar to the European song contest where it’s only possible to vote for songs that are not from someone’s home country would solve this kind of behaviour.

You voted for Vaterloo? :bigcry:


PS I think it can be possible in some cases because for example I can see advertisements in Finnish on this forum.

Korsu maybe? :arrows:

[dimviii]

I don’t know if it’s possible but a voting system similar to the European song contest where it’s only possible to vote for songs that are not from someone’s home country would solve this kind of behaviour.


or to have more than ie 20 posts to vote.

[makinen_fan]

If the moderators can remove all those votes to get a better would be great.

Really immature from their part.... childish behaviour and ruined this

[Dobromir Ivanov]

We have the best stages in Europe !

[OldF]

You voted for Vaterloo? :bigcry:

It was not possibly to give a personal vote in those days. Even if it would have been possible I couldn’t vote because I was in the army at that time and was sleeping in a tent after a artillery camp.


Korsu maybe? :arrows:

You mean kossu. Korsu was a under ground dwelling where soldiers slept during the war.

PS The car in book I mentioned in the France rally thread was indeed a Saab 96 V4 built in Finland (Engine from Trollhättan). The V4 had a nice sound. :)

[werner]

EM: Zwölf Läufe sind geplant*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2012/10/10/zwoelf-laeufe-sind-geplant/index.html)

Valais, Mille Miglia, Madeira etc out.

[EightGear]

San Remo also out....

And Sliven too! But those are the best roads in Europe, how can they ignore Sliven!? :D

[mousti]

SanRemo out is a pity, big classic out :(

And negotations must have gone fast then if that's already official calendar :p

[A FONDO]

SanRemo out is a pity, big classic out :(

Welcome to Eurosport promoting.

[stefanvv]

San Remo also out....

And Sliven too! But those are the best roads in Europe, how can they ignore Sliven!? :D

They can, when Bulgaria ignored them.

[???????? ???????]

Hi Mirek,welcome to Sliven rally!When you see this rally,you will forget about Barum and the other smaller rallyes then Sliven!

[dimviii]

Hi Mirek,welcome to Sliven rally!When you see this rally,you will forget about Barum and the other smaller rallyes then Sliven!

tell us about the tree!

[???????? ???????]

"The tree" - the most popular place to see the gods in the rally cars!

[janvanvurpa]

It was not possibly to give a personal vote in those days. Even if it would have been possible I couldn’t vote because I was in the army at that time and was sleeping in a tent after a artillery camp.



You mean kossu. Korsu was a under ground dwelling where soldiers slept during the war.

PS The car in book I mentioned in the France rally thread was indeed a Saab 96 V4 built in Finland (Engine from Trollhättan). The V4 had a nice sound. :)


OK I alway get that wrong! So maybe kossu util you fall into a korsu?

And I guessed you were hinting at a Blå -vit 96 from Uusikaupunki..

and yeah its something special when you have the älg-horn insug 50cm long runners and 45 Webers. Under hard load inside the car around 3600 rpm and full throttle you can feel on your chest the resonance in the intake on tract...
I have to do a little rost and battle damage repair to the sills on my poor ol beast and drag it out to some rallies before I'm tooo tooooo old....

And the engine, that was built by a guy who is now a good friend Bengt-Eril Ström who developed the dual exhaust port heads as a side project , then showed management once it was done http://www.stahlmotor.se/Bilar_jag_jobbat_med/Saab/dubbelblas.jpg

[danon]

tell us about the tree!

Watch it yourself...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eb6igiUXVA

[AndyRAC]

SanRemo out is a pity, big classic out :(

And negotations must have gone fast then if that's already official calendar :p

A huge mistake! How can you leave that 'Classic' event out? All my fears about Eurosport and the ERC have come true. Truly clueless, and San Marino in....no Valais either.....a most disappointing calendar.

[Raven]

Silly movement of Rally sliven fans.

Why there is no Antibes in the poll, or Estonia?

[OldF]

OK I alway get that wrong! So maybe kossu util you fall into a korsu?

That’s possible but I think those guys that were sleeping in the korsus drank kilju. :beer: :burp: :bounce: :dozey:

Btw, the driver was Leo Kinnunen.

[OgyWRC]

Please, don’t blame Bulgarian fans, they just do what they feel … obviously not in the most diplomatic way. They had great expectations about IRC Sliven 2012, driven by organizers pre-event great promises … at the end non of the top drivers showed up. Nevertheless, the rally was good.

Later organizers cut all chances of Rally Sliven or Rally Bulgaria to participate ERC, as they run into conflict with Eurosport.

[danon]

Dear Bulgarian friends. It is nice to support Your rally but please be aware of these points:

1) This poll was made to see the opinion of forum members. To start dozens of new profiles in purpose to make image of Sliven rally better ruins the idea.

2) This poll has no impact on the future of Your rally. Eurosport and FIA will decide what will be part of the calendar, not some internet poll.

3) The poll was made to see which CALENDAR the members would like to see. That means not vote for ONE rally but for a COMPLETE calendar. Voting for one rally makes the poll completely useless.

Thank You for spoiling a good idea...

To explain to our members. In last hours there was like 40 new voters but no increase for any other rally except Sliven. That's what I find silly...

People have the right to express their opinions and they did it.

Deal with it!

[Mirek]

A huge mistake! How can you leave that 'Classic' event out? All my fears about Eurosport and the ERC have come true. Truly clueless, and San Marino in....no Valais either.....a most disappointing calendar.

I was expecting it. There was too much asphalt and too much Italian events. I don't think that the calendar is total disaster. Surfaces are better balanced than ever in the IRC, events are more evenly spread over the area so that we don't have three events in Italy like this year. Pity Italians have some many great events. I'm not disappointed although I would make it different.

[Mirek]

People have the right to express their opinions and they did it.

Deal with it!

People shall understand simple written text. If not it's very sad. Case closed.

[wrc1600]

SanRemo out is a pity, big classic out :(

And negotations must have gone fast then if that's already official calendar :p
I gues San Remo will be in WRC next year

[dimviii]

People have the right to express their opinions and they did it.

Deal with it!
to deal with what? to ruin the poll? you dont understant that the poll ruined?????????????????????

[RS]

Welcome to Eurosport promoting.

Don't be silly. Remember it was IRC/Eurosport that took on Monte Carlo, Sanremo and Corsica when WRC/FIA decided they didn't want them.

Although I have to say I would rather have seen Sanremo stay than San Marino.

On the whole I find it to be a good calendar, like Mirek said with a better balance of events and countries. However I would still like to see a slightly shorter calendar (10 events max)

[danon]

People shall understand simple written text. If not it's very sad. Case closed.

People do understand all well enough, do not underestimate them,
but the point is - every single person has a different preferences!

As for the case in point You got it wrong, mate - It's a case open ever...

Then again - Deal with it, mate!

[danon]

to deal with what? to ruin the poll? you dont understant that the poll ruined?????????????????????

What?
Try again.
I can't understand a word you written.

Line up your mind!

[dimviii]

What?
Try again.
I can't understand a word you written.

Line up your mind!

never mind ,we all understant who created all these accounts .

[danon]

never mind ,we all understant who created all these accounts .

Except me obviously. Enlighten me, please.
Make it universally accessible.
Say it out loud.

[dimviii]

Except me obviously. Enlighten me, please.
Make it universally accessible.
Say it out loud.

What?
Try again.
I can't understand a word you written.

Line up your mind!

[danon]

never mind ,we all understant who created all these accounts .

Copy-paste is a lame try.
Still waiting the facts - Who created all these accounts?

[Martin Grigorov]

never mind ,we all understant who created all these accounts .

The Bulgarian rally fans are very united !!!!!
We are more this 57 people and you will understand very soon.
And finaly i'll supporting for Mabanol Rally Sliven !!!

[PLuto]

For webmasters it is easy, they can check IP addresses...

[Kiril Antonov]

one of the best race tracks located in Bulgaria, but it is a rather rallu Rally Bulgaria Rally Sliven MABANOL mogebi otse4ki most beautiful in Europe. If this rally had podkrepata you the opportunity of the Bulgarian Federation rally would probably be in the top 3 not repent and number one in Europe because as our Sliven Balkan and otse4ki is nowhere more sveta

[WRC1]

one of the best race tracks located in Bulgaria, but it is a rather rallu Rally Bulgaria Rally Sliven MABANOL mogebi otse4ki most beautiful in Europe. If this rally had podkrepata you the opportunity of the Bulgarian Federation rally would probably be in the top 3 not repent and number one in Europe because as our Sliven Balkan and otse4ki is nowhere more sveta

thank you kiril and all the other bulgarian rallyfans (??) ! i am sure that bulgaria has the best rally in the world, we all know that!!! please tell us more about "the tree" maybe you can show us some videos also?? ;)

[Kiril Antonov]

Kiril Antonov facebook, many steep decline repented.

[Kiril Antonov]

Bulgaria has the best fans and stages. having our stages is nowhere

[Raven]

Bulgaria has the best fans and stages. having our stages is nowhere
Of course Bulgaria has also the best drivers in the world, no doubt about it! Oh wait, but why I can't see even one on the ERC or WRC list of champions? This must be a conspiracy!
You still can't see how silly you are?

[Raven]

In Bulgaria they should first learn the difference between a startlist and official classification before wanting to enter the ERC...
And that recce is the same for every driver, even Bulgarian! ;-)

[Mirek]

And that recce is the same for every driver, even Bulgarian! ;-)

Even Belgian! :D ...that's general issue, not Bulgarian...

[liposh]

Stop it you bulgarian cauliflower-heads, do you want me to throw around your sandals? (Brno sentence for "fight" :D ) If you really want to discredit this poll so at least please vote for more rallies at once, not only for Sliven...btw. I have got also few hundreds friends on Facebook that never heard about rally, but I did some favour for most of them in past and they owe me this favour. But do I really want to do it? No, because it is childish. :mad:

[Raven]

Even Belgian! :D ...that's general issue, not Bulgarian...
When I think of Bulgaria I think about Iliev and there are many rumors about his illegal bahaviour :) Of course there are many such drivers but somehow I think of him in such situation.

[Hartusvuori]

I have got also few hundreds friends on Facebook that never heard about rally, but I did some favour for most of them in past and they owe me this favour. But do I really want to do it? No, because it is childish. :mad:

You don't need fake votes to keep Barum up at the table. It stays there by the love of real rally fans alone. Same as Ypres, Corsica, Sanremo, Jänner, ...

[mousti]

Sliven Rally was such a fail this year that even Eurosport didn't want to do any coverage of it :D

[veegog]

Sliven Rally was such a fail this year that even Eurosport didn't want to do any coverage of it :D

Absolutely true!

Rally Sliven has definitely some great stages but the organisation is not professional as they claim.

[danon]

thank you kiril and all the other bulgarian rallyfans... i am sure that bulgaria has the best rally in the world, we all know that!!!

I totally agree with you!

[danon]

From all events, like WRC events, Barum, Ypres, Polski, Valais etc, you have always great videos everywhere with great spectacle, or amazing onboards with the stages... I haven't seen any from Sliven yet? Can you maybe post some in the Sliven thread to prove your statement? I would like to see some action from the event... :)

Google was created for a pricks like you! Go find 'em yourself!
Plenty of vids floating around the Y'tube ocean. Go find 'em yourself!

Start watching - stop moaning!

[danon]

Of course Bulgaria has also the best drivers in the world, no doubt about it! Oh wait, but why I can't see even one on the ERC or WRC list of champions? This must be a conspiracy!
You still can't see how silly you are?

It's a matter of time.
Things change.
Mark my words!

[danon]

Stop it you bulgarian cauliflower-heads, do you want me to throw around your sandals? (Brno sentence for "fight" :D ) If you really want to discredit this poll so at least please vote for more rallies at once, not only for Sliven...btw. I have got also few hundreds friends on Facebook that never heard about rally, but I did some favour for most of them in past and they owe me this favour. But do I really want to do it? No, because it is childish. :mad:

Childish was your fight statement. Go find a wrestle, boxing etc.. forums :arrows:

[dupanton]

It's a matter of time.
Things change.
Mark my words!

Normal sequence should be
1) start organising a GOOD event
2) enter IRC/ERC

Not the other way around...

So, organiser of Sliven Rally, go and improve yourself, and then try to get in ERC...

[danon]

Sliven Rally was such a fail this year that even Eurosport didn't want to do any coverage of it :D

In your eyes only!
Re-think it again if Eurosport didn't want to do the coverage.
You would hardly know the reasons my dear!

[danon]

Normal sequence should be
1) start organising a GOOD event
2) enter IRC/ERC

Not the other way around...

So, organiser of Sliven Rally, go and improve yourself, and then try to get in ERC...

Organizers changed - the rally routes are given by nature! Never forget it!
Rally Sliven has it all by default.

The Sliven's stages are unique on its own and can be only compared to the best of the rest.
Ones seen - non forgotten!

[mousti]

I think u have drunk a bit too much of the wrong stuff under that three..

[Ferjancz]

There are no good or bad stages ( as said in other forums ) there are good and bad rallies. You can make an excellent rally with only one stage and of course you can have unique stages and to make one big failure. Here in Bulgaria once again we are trying to find the answer to the ultimate question, when already everybody knows that the answer is 42!!!!! The combination of bad management of our federation and the amount of bad decisions have led to the misjudgement of the motorsport community for our sport. As seen now we are picking the fruits of that - no IRC and no ERC for Bulgaria maybe for a long period of time. It is very hard for me saing that but unfortunately at this point this is the situation in Bulgaria along with all the other problems we are facing druging the events over and over again.
And "danon" it is nice to defend our rallies in such a passionte way but let's be realistics - at this point our sport is agonizing and will die if smoething radical don't happen. And most of the events going at "THE TREE" are not pleаsant - AT ALL.

Any way, this Eurosport reveals 12-event European Rally Championship calendar - IRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103279) is something that we can't blame anyone for.

[stefanvv]

Sensible opinion. Radical change is needed here in Bulgaria indeed, because the problems are too big and too deep, but what a regular fan can do about it (probably enjoy their "Tree" I don't know).
It certainly won't happen here in this poll and this forum, no matter how many (overbloated) votes some Rally gets, Eurosport/Automobile Federation wouldn't care about this at all.

EDIT: And I believe we already what 42 means here in Bulgaria...

[OgyWRC]

Rally Albena (later Bulgaria) used to be a milestone in ERC for 39 years in bad and good times. It is true that the quality of the championship was deteriorating during the last decade and it was time for a radical change in ERC.

Now it is sad to see Bulgaria out of the calendar ... but it was not a surprise: (i) Rally Bulgaria became a local event in the last two years, despite that it has a great opportunity after its one-off in WRC 2010; (ii) long lasting BFAS lobby in FIA devaluated with retirement of Mr. Janakiev; (iii) another great rally - Hebros lost its positions in 1998 (for the benefit of Barum, according to some sources); (iv) Rally Sliven IRC 2012 was a good event in terms of rally action and atmosphere, but it was managed unprofessionally (or in bad faith) and at some point organizers didn’t made the last payments to Eurosport and ruined their/our credibility for years (the day before ERC & IRC merger was announced!); (v) Nowadays rallying is more about money and “producing” a best seller show, than an adventure and passion, respectively small scale markets are doomed.

In conclusion: Although the heavy damage was done, there are people from new generation that should grab the opportunity and rebuild some of those events. Most of you guys can help with some ideas and support, instead of laughing on poor Bulgarian fans and their desperate attempts to attract your attention, obviously not in the smartest way, exalting Sliven stages …

For the rally passion there are no borders, we can easily speak one “language”, share thoughts and help each other with every one of you, which I believe is priceless.

[danon]

I think u have drunk a bit too much of the wrong stuff under that three..

Take a note pee boy - water only!

[Raven]

Nowadays rallying is more about money and “producing” a best seller show, than an adventure and passion, respectively small scale markets are doomed.
It makes me mad when rallying as a sport is loosing its sport spirit. I'm worried that rallying is going towards stupid shows of cars jumping through rings of fire - i.e. american style (easy to watch, spectacular, profitable, stupid).


instead of laughing on poor Bulgarian fans and their desperate attempts to attract your attention
Some of them are trying very hard to be silly what doesn't help in meaningful discussion.

[pucky54]

As it looks lot of things happened while I was away for a week.
Conclusion: Sliven votes will be cut down by 57 votes due to manipulating the poll

[Coach 2]

When there was something called Western Europe and Eastern block, there were of course many rallies with history in the West (at least people from the west think so).
But to make a good championship we must have the whole of Europe, and forget history.
And the championship should not contain too many rally's, no countries more than one rally.

[stefanvv]

As it looks lot of things happened while I was away for a week.
Conclusion: Sliven votes will be cut down by 57 votes due to manipulating the poll

7 votes would be pretty decent result. I didn't expected more than 3

[danon]

As it looks lot of things happened while I was away for a week.
Conclusion: Sliven votes will be cut down by 57 votes due to manipulating the poll

You can't change the history by cutting votes alone.
You can't imagine how many rally fans are about to prove you wrong.

It's ALL in the POLL!

P.S. The tune is coming on...

[KickenRallySport]

South Swedish Rally!!!!!!!!

[Raven]

This topic should be closed because the level of "discussion" just hit the ground and it's trying to go lower. The poll quality is also doubtful.

[danon]

This topic should be closed because the level of "discussion" just hit the ground and it's trying to go lower. The poll quality is also doubtful.

The discussion level is hitting the ground to push back up to the top.
Doubt it not - the graph varies constantly.

[danon]

Let's imagine for a moment:

1. Mandatory participation in all of the events of the I/E/WRC calendar.
2. Mandatory LIVE tv broadcast in all of the events of the I/E/WRC calendar.

Now again try to imagine what would have been the worldwide response to Rally Sliven with its unique rally stages.

[mousti]

Why imagine, Sliven has failed, they did so many wrongs and that will be punished. In Ypres they're already are under alot of pressure and doing as much as they can to obey everything what Eurosport and FIA says and that for a rally with quite nice budget and great background (history, entries and strength of event). With such mistakes u don't have to hope to get any likes from the promoter and FIA. Wait and work on the wrongs if u want to get on that calendar and get the respect.

[stefanvv]

You're right, sometimes people fail to see what damage has been done by the organization. Neither FIA & Eurosport will like that, guarantee. It's a little shame for all the hopes of the fans (don't get me wrong - not these under the "Tree"), but at this level the Eastern cup is where it belongs.

[danon]

... It's a little shame for all the hopes of the fans (don't get me wrong - not these under the "Tree")...

What's wrong with "these" under/at/around "The Tree"?
All I see is cheerful rally fans!

Watch the vid below and tell me, please...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ULwZNlzy8k

[stefanvv]

What's wrong with "these" under/at/around "The Tree"?
All I see is cheerful rally fans!

Watch the vid below and tell me, please...

Nothing wrong with them. I meant more that for them doesn't really matter if Sliven will be in BGC, ERC or WRC. They will always enjoy it.

[danon]

Why imagine, Sliven has failed, they did so many wrongs and that will be punished. In Ypres they're already are under alot of pressure and doing as much as they can to obey everything what Eurosport and FIA says and that for a rally with quite nice budget and great background (history, entries and strength of event). With such mistakes u don't have to hope to get any likes from the promoter and FIA. Wait and work on the wrongs if u want to get on that calendar and get the respect.

Sliven has failed in your eyes only.

The lack of variety of terrain, altitude and unique rally stages like those in Sliven Balkan creates pressure, I know.
Waiting is not an option.
Respect!

If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun.
Katharine Hepburn

[mousti]

It depends what rules that u are disobey if it's the one where u can't get any advantage, then it's a fail!

And only failed in my eyes, if u would know who laughed and found it ridiculous with the wrongs that the organisation did, u would be surprised.

Pity u are a too stubborn dude, instead of doing attempts to win a discussion that u never going to win, u should better work on it! Because it's already too late to get on that calendar, I can't see anything that they would select Sliven for ERC 2013..

[stefanvv]

Sliven has failed in your eyes only.

The lack of variety of terrain, altitude and unique rally stages like those in Sliven Balkan creates pressure, I know.
Waiting is not an option.
Respect!

If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun.
Katharine Hepburn

This is not the way Sliven to win it's place among Europe's finest. Work is needed, lot of hard work!

[danon]

It depends what rules that u are disobey if it's the one where u can't get any advantage, then it's a fail!

And only failed in my eyes, if u would know who laughed and found it ridiculous with the wrongs that the organisation did, u would be surprised.

Pity u are a too stubborn dude, instead of doing attempts to win a discussion that u never going to win, u should better work on it! Because it's already too late to get on that calendar, I can't see anything that they would select Sliven for ERC 2013..

By replacing the organizers you can always improve the organisation and make it
even more attractive and unpredictable adventure full of surprises high up in the mountain.

Write down to remember:

The variety of terrain, altitude and the uniqueness of the rally stages in Sliven Balkan are second to none, given by nature.
Endless possibilities to make it more and more interesting every other event.

Ypres can't be more interesting by changing places of cones and straw bales (chicanes) alone, all over the field, whatever the budget.

Sliven has plenty of everything to be in every I/E/WRC calendar!

[danon]

This is not the way Sliven to win it's place among Europe's finest. Work is needed, lot of hard work!

Sliven has nothing to win.
Sliven is and always will be among the Europe's finest rally events.
Hard work placed wrongly makes no difference.
It takes much more than work alone!

[stefanvv]

Hard work placed wrongly makes no difference.
It takes much more than work alone!

For sure I don't mean counting the leaves on the "Tree". There is lot of work to be done in organizational respect, better funding, advertising of the event in proper countries. That is from Sliven perspective, in other way there is so much place for improvement in the country's motorsport level of competition, that is the really hard part.

EDIT: Last but not least, lets not forget its majesty INTERNET and that thing called live results, otherwise the website looks good though :) .

[OgyWRC]

Danon, I couldn’t get what you are aiming to prove? All I can see is that you are undermining the good name of Bulgarian rallies by provoking pointless discussions.

Although, Rally Sliven stages are good and demanding, they are not the only one of their kind, just think about rally Hebros in Rodopi Mountain or Monte Carlo rallye!

Sliven could be a great rally by changing the organization principles and manner of operation. Nevertheless, it will take time to Sliven to recover the credibility, after this year media coverage failure.

[dimviii]

why this thread is on top of unviewed posts without a new post?

[EightGear]

When there is a new vote it goes to the top again.

[dimviii]

thanks EightGear ;)

[mousti]

Ypres can't be more interesting by changing places of cones and straw bales (chicanes) alone, all over the field, whatever the budget.


If they want (and other organisations in Belgium too) they could make a rally with loads of different asphalt stages, because Ypres is now only driven in an area of around 50 km² (not including france stage just promo and money that they are doing that). They could include this

Rallye du Condroz-Huy 2010 [HD] by JM - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np0sKqhiQAA) with alot of Tree's and crazy atmosphere around it!!

or East Belgian Rally 2012 [HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=456EM1bRn9k) this and I probably forget much more !

[stefanvv]

It would be boring all Rallies to be similar. A champion must have the complex skills required to win all the diversity of terrains. That makes makes up an interesting challenge.