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Knock-on
16th September 2012, 07:06
Well, here we go again. Weather is nice although the forecast is saying there could be heavy showers and thunder all week but no sign of any today so far.

Here's hoping Lewis continues his run of form and Fred blows an engine to close the gap right up :)

F1boat
16th September 2012, 09:07
If this happen Lewis will win very easily, for me Alonso needs to lead healthily because his car is not as fast at the McLaren... so I'd prefer the opposite scenario. Honestly I'd love Vettel to win, but I think that McLaren has such an advantage, that it will be impossible for anyone to stop them.

Tazio
16th September 2012, 10:18
Well, here we go again. Weather is nice although the forecast is saying there could be heavy showers and thunder all week but no sign of any today so far.

It rains almost every day in Singapore this time of year. Day is the operative word as it rarely rains at night.


Here's hoping Lewis continues his run of form and Fred blows an engine to close the gap right up Probably the track that plays the least to McLarens strengths as opposed to the other faster high downforce tracks left on the schedule. If McLaren dominate here the championship is looking very favorable indeed. :dozey:

fandango
16th September 2012, 10:30
The only thing we can expect with any certainty this season is the unexpected....

Knock-on
16th September 2012, 19:12
Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!!

jarrambide
16th September 2012, 19:27
Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!!

You got that one right.

Knock-on
17th September 2012, 14:08
Well, we're always on the cusp of a storm in the evenings at the moment and doesn't look like changing. Word is that the weather is due to stay changeable with a storm at any moment around dusk.

Circuit is coming together ok and should be an interesting event. First time out here for me so am champing at the bit for qualifying.

wedge
17th September 2012, 16:08
Softs and supersofts.

I've got an ill feeling for this one.

Have the teams truly sorted out managing these tyres? Are they going to lap Singapore over a stint via delta. I would love to see proper tyre management as witnessed during the summer - Hungary, especially.

kfzmeister
17th September 2012, 17:11
Here's to hoping that RB has a good race, especially Webber. The idea is to have a nice swing in performance towards the RBs, so that they take points off Macca here. Alonso just needs to podium and maintain his gap. Hopefully, Ferrari can make some performance improvements.

Tazio
17th September 2012, 18:22
Well, we're always on the cusp of a storm in the evenings at the moment and doesn't look like changing. Word is that the weather is due to stay changeable with a storm at any moment around dusk.

Circuit is coming together ok and should be an interesting event. First time out here for me so am champing at the bit for qualifying.I see you have a vested interest in the series going down to the wire. Free enterprise in its purest form- Humble apologies for suggesting you another ulterior motive. ;)
BTW since you have forgotten, and the statute of limitations has passed I think it is time to remind you that I owe you the spoils of the sig bet we made in 2009, as you took Jense to win the WDC and I took Rubens baby! :s ailor:

Knock-on
18th September 2012, 12:52
Blimey. 2009 sig bet. What's that with interest?

Tazio
18th September 2012, 14:13
Blimey. 2009 sig bet. What's that with interest?
I was just curious if you remembered it. We had lengthy negotiations as I tried to structure the wager so that obvious favoritism to the partisan team driver would nullify the bet. With all the stipulations that were included in small print, I received a thorough beat-down :arrows:
Post #10 was meant as a back-handed compliment. Next thing you are going to tell me is that you are not aware that at that time I was the artist known as Tazio, or was it Mr Alcatraz? :confused:

Point of parliamentary procedure:
Are their grounds to wave the statute of limitations due to the fact that I was sent on a permanent vacation by my favorite moderator (and he knows that I mean that in the most affectionate way) only to get a reprieve roughly a year later. In the interim as far as I knew you had fallen off the face of the earth after making a sincere attempt to notify you. After receiving an institutionally ordered vacation for the 2011 season that was only rescinded by the intercession of "the greatest man in the world", no not Jean-Baptiste Donatien de Vimeur, Comte de Rochambeau, the other greatest man in the world. Not a Hessian although it has been argued that he is every bit a mercenary by none less than the famous American Attorney Markabilly, who just happens to be my guest at the USGP ;) I just want you to know that if you think you still have a claim on this rightfully won contest, and you actually care, have your people contact him and perhaps they can hammer out a settlement that allows us to bring finality to this matter amicably while mutually maintaining our dignity.

Back to the Singapore Grand Prix; almost all of the teams will be bringing developments to this race. Ferrari and Mercedes are on record as saying that theirs will be significant. Red Bull is due to bust out some rule stretching innovation. Lotus is also sneaky little shytes and I would not be surprised if they also have a treat or two for us. I can't see McLaren resting on its laurels although they may only bring race specific upgrades. I will use all of my resources to do my part to keep the forum abreast of all of the teams developments introduced ahead of this race. Feel free to discredit them as you see fit. I will start with a preface to what to expect from Scuderia Alonso, and try to be an equal opportunity provider. :)
Ferrari F2012 (663) | Racecar Engineering (http://www.racecar-engineering.com/cars/ferrari-f2012-663/)

AndyL
18th September 2012, 14:52
Back to the Singapore Grand Prix; almost all of the teams will be bringing developments to this race. Ferrari and Mercedes are on record as saying that theirs will be significant. Red Bull is due to bust out some rule stretching innovation. Lotus is also sneaky little shytes and I would not be surprised if they also have a treat or two for us. I can't see McLaren resting on its laurels although they may only bring race specific upgrades. I will use all of my resources to do my part to keep the forum abreast of all of the teams developments introduced ahead of this race. Feel free to discredit them as you see fit. I will start with a preface to what to expect from Scuderia Alonso, and try to be an equal opportunity provider. :)
Ferrari F2012 (663) | Racecar Engineering (http://www.racecar-engineering.com/cars/ferrari-f2012-663/)

Apparently Mercedes were testing both down-wash sidepods and a Lotus-style passive F-duct at the young drivers test, so they could take a big step forward if they managed to get both of those working.

TheFamousEccles
18th September 2012, 15:12
Is somebody expecting the Spanish Inquisition?

Tazio
18th September 2012, 15:34
Apparently Mercedes were testing both down-wash sidepods and a Lotus-style passive F-duct at the young drivers test, so they could take a big step forward if they managed to get both of those working.Thanks Andy I wasn't sure what Mercedes was planning. The passive F-duct will be a step forward but will have minimal effect in Singapore, and makes me think that Lotus is in the same boat. Ferrari tested new front and rear wings as well as new FW pylons at the young driver tests, and suspect others will be bringing new wings.

http://i.imgur.com/GgbAV.jpg

Knock-on
18th September 2012, 19:41
Dont try and fob me off with your exquisite worldly prose!!! What's the wager worth Mr A.

I reckon a "Jensen is not only the second coming but my lover too" for a month. :p

Tazio
18th September 2012, 20:14
Dont try and fob me off with your exquisite worldly prose!!! What's the wager worth Mr A.

I reckon a "Jensen is not only the second coming but my lover too" for a month. :p

Print a t-shirt with JB's mug on it (or the royal family) and I will wear it for the entirety of the USGP. :eek:

http://www.motorsportforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3001&d=1347991593

Tazio
19th September 2012, 03:37
Autosprint prediction of F2012 update package for Singapore! :confused:

http://i50.tinypic.com/309n5i1.png
http://i45.tinypic.com/6xzv2d.png
http://i49.tinypic.com/258y0lt.png
http://i46.tinypic.com/24b81zp.png
http://i49.tinypic.com/eehw9.png

Tazio
19th September 2012, 04:23
Mercedes Shark Fin:
Mercedes: Shark Fin | ScarbsF1.com (http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2012/09/13/mercedes-shark-fin/#more-2992)
I'm not so sure Scarbs has this right but he knows a heck of a lot more than me so you judge.
BTW McLaren Entusiasts may have a special interest in Craigs insights:

Race Reporter Weekend
I&#8217]The experience[/B]
I fly out From London Heathrow on Wednesday, taking a Singapore Air flight at 11.00 on an Airbus A380. Arriving in to Singapore on Thursday morning, I’ll be staying the Conrad Centennial Hotel for the weekend. I’ll cover this journey in a road trip blog, so you get to hear about the full experience.
From then on it’s a rush of interviews and track action, culminating in watching the GP from Grandstand and the after race parties. So far we have the following planned, this is all subject to change and there’ll no doubt be much more besides

Tazio
19th September 2012, 07:27
T.D. James Allen Lotus F1

As part of a package of improvements it is bringing to the race, the new rear wing should allow it to produce maximum grip in the corners without compromising its straight-line performance when DRS is activated.

Technical director James Allison said: "We have a new floor and a new rear wing. The new rear wing operates at the same downforce level as our Monaco spec rear wing, but with a better DRS delta. This means that this wing has better DRS switching from its maximum drag to its reduced drag settings.

"We believe we've been able to produce a rear wing which is at the higher end of the downforce spectrum but still able to allow the lion's share of the DRS potential which is more difficult to achieve at high downforce levels. It will be interesting to see how it works on track."

Tazio
19th September 2012, 10:14
Mercedes Shark Fin:
Mercedes: Shark Fin | ScarbsF1.com (http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2012/09/13/mercedes-shark-fin/#more-2992)
I'm not so sure Scarbs has this right........


Although the W03 also appeared with a shark fin on the engine cover for the final day at Magny-Cours, AUTOSPORT has learned that this was not a performance development aimed to be raced this year but is instead part of an FIA-backed programme to help improve driver identification for fans. :confused: :p :

Mercedes' major upgrades get Singapore Grand Prix green light - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102642)

Tazio
20th September 2012, 11:09
Caterham has taken a new front wing to Marina Bay ahead of this weekend’s fifth F1 night race. The component, to be raced by both Heikki Kovalainen and Vitaly Petrov, is aimed at generating extra levels of downforce.......


McLaren is confident it can get through this weekend in Singapore without a reliability problem. While Lewis Hamilton won at Monza recently, Jenson Button would probably have finished second if not for a fuel system problem.

With the former world champion's title hopes seriously dented, the British team returned from Italy unsure what caused the failure. "It was a problem that we haven't had before and it wasn't an easy one for us to identify," technical director Paddy Lowe said in the regular Vodafone teleconference on Wednesday. "We have fortunately managed to identify the root cause and it was a problem with the fuel pump. It's something we have now completely covered for the remaining races."

F1 Today Net

http://i49.tinypic.com/nz4nr7.jpg

new FW

Knock-on
20th September 2012, 15:44
Looks like a wet race might be in the cards. Goody :)

Tazio
20th September 2012, 16:19
Indeed! good news for Fred methinks. :s tareup:

As expected teams are starting to expose a plethera of new FW's for this race;

http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/media_images/2012-09-20/racepictures_1348135993.62.jpg

http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/media_images/2012-09-20/racepictures_1348135990.96.jpg

I believe this is a new developement for Williams;

http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Williams-Formel-1-GP-Singapur-20-September-2012-19-fotoshowImageNew-27739a91-630136.jpg

kfzmeister
20th September 2012, 18:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZBgNiSNAas&feature=player_embedded

Sounds like they're going to applause for a minute just before the race in honor of Sid Watkins. Perhaps even a minute of silence.

Tazio
20th September 2012, 19:27
Looks like a wet race might be in the cards. Goody :)
Hot and humid weekend expected in Singapore - F1 Fanatic (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/20/2012-singapore-grand-prix-weather/)


It’s easy to exaggerate the likelihood of thunderstorms affecting the race here – at present the official F1 website forecasts one every day throughout the race weekend. That does not necessarily mean they will happen, or that they will coincide with the race.

Thunderstorms are most likely to happen in the late morning or early afternoon – before the F1 cars take to the track. And the chance of thunderstorms will decrease as the race weekend goes on.

truefan72
21st September 2012, 03:20
Nice to see Lewis in the spirit :)

Lewis Hamilton Q&A, Fullerton Hotel, Sept 20, 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udLhw4axbNY&sns=tw)

one of the too many Mclaren obligations he will not miss at Mercedes LOL

Knock-on
21st September 2012, 08:20
Well, the weather forecast can say what it wants but it's getting very close and feels like a storm is brewing.

longisland
21st September 2012, 08:51
Indeed! good news for Fred methinks. :s tareup:

As expected teams are starting to expose a plethera of new FW's for this race;

http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/media_images/2012-09-20/racepictures_1348135993.62.jpg

http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/media_images/2012-09-20/racepictures_1348135990.96.jpg

I believe this is a new developement for Williams;

http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Williams-Formel-1-GP-Singapur-20-September-2012-19-fotoshowImageNew-27739a91-630136.jpg

It would make a good ironing board

Tazio
21st September 2012, 10:32
Well, the weather forecast can say what it wants but it's getting very close and feels like a storm is brewing.

Que Sera Sera. BTW how is that t-shirt comming along? No hurry. ;)

New cascades!

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/pictures/2012/f1/gp-singapore-20sep/130_medium.jpg

Sarah
21st September 2012, 12:19
P1 : Seb's disco helmet - love it. Nothing much happening yet they are waiting for it to dry out.....

Dave B
21st September 2012, 12:43
I think these are the types the drivers enjoy to be honest. Mixing with fans and having a laugh is much better than standing up at a Vodafone conference and talking about F1 to a load of stuffy suits. :)
I was at a corporate talk years ago where Jean Alesi was being interviewed on stage, and I was one of only a handful of people paying attention. Everyone else was there for the free food. Quite sad, really.

kfzmeister
21st September 2012, 18:31
Practice looking good. Alonso has the right guys in front of him. :)

Tazio
21st September 2012, 19:04
McLaren and RB suspension looked very soft compared to the nervous F2112. I expect that out of RB but not so much out of McLaren. It suggests to me that McLaren was not running as light as Ferrari, and could possibly be able to lock out the front row.

gloomyDAY
21st September 2012, 20:29
Vettel's helmet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrR0I7Tjb6c&feature=player_embedded

Uh oh! Neon lights are next.

steveaki13
21st September 2012, 21:38
Am I the only one who saw his helmet and thought "Jesus" :p

I like the same helmet designs kept so I know the drivers. Now we have flashy lights and different helmets every week. Which for Seb I had just got used too.

Now we have Mark and Lewis changing helmets. :rolleyes: Its insanity.

kfzmeister
22nd September 2012, 00:53
Very cool :D

Is he aloud to have the lights flashing whilst he is going along I wonder? Might dazzle the in car camera maybe? Love it though. :)

Strategic move? Perhaps to keep the rest of the cars behind thinking he's the safety car? :D

TheFamousEccles
22nd September 2012, 02:54
Totally cool helmet, that must cost a fortune as those F1 spec helmets are extortionally expensive to start with!

Tazio
22nd September 2012, 04:07
Jack Rappaccini;1067352]McLaren and RB suspension looked very soft compared to the nervous F2112. I expect that out of RB but not so much out of McLaren. It suggests to me that McLaren was not running as light as Ferrari, and could possibly be able to lock out the front row.Evidence:

Ferrari not as competitive in Singapore, says Alonso - F1 Fanatic (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/21/2012-singapore-grand-prix-friday-practice-analysis/)

F1boat
22nd September 2012, 10:08
I really, really hope that Vettel is truly competitive and was not trying a glory runs yesterday. I think that a competitive Red Bull is the only thing which may stop the dominating McLarens.

Tazio
22nd September 2012, 10:51
You do a disservice to the bubblegum tires that they are using for this race. :s tareup:

Knock-on
22nd September 2012, 11:17
The McLaren's looking loose and fast on high fuel. RB is stable but I don't know what fuel they were running and the Ferrari is better than Alonso is saying. Heading down for FP3 which will be interesting. Weather has been hot and sunny all day with no sign of the storms of yesterday.

Tazio
22nd September 2012, 12:07
RB busts out a new front wing :eek:

Knock-on
22nd September 2012, 12:28
Looking fast but fluorescent paint everywhere. Messy buggers :)

truefan72
22nd September 2012, 12:41
FP3 - Vettel with a douchey (can i say that here?) move to scatter photographers at the pit entrance. completely unnecessary and borderline crazy

Knock-on
22nd September 2012, 12:46
Didn't see that but webber just went way too fast into the corner and whamed the wall hard. Wasn't a kiss that's for sure and I was wondering if he done the shafts or gearbox but he's straight back out :s hock:

truefan72
22nd September 2012, 13:07
now petrov brings the session to an unceremonious end. clattering the wall quite hard and leaving his mechanics with plenty to do before Q1

Garry Walker
22nd September 2012, 13:08
I really, really hope that Vettel is truly competitive and was not trying a glory runs yesterday. I think that a competitive Red Bull is the only thing which may stop the dominating McLarens.LOL. You are insane.
Red Bull is by far the fastest car here, it is no competition at all. They are half a second quicker at least.
But I really really hope bieber's car fails or that he crashes out.


FP3 - Vettel with a douchey (can i say that here?) move to scatter photographers at the pit entrance. completely unnecessary and borderline crazy
What did bieber do?

Knock-on
22nd September 2012, 13:09
Sen running bit more downforce than Lewis. Hmmmm? Perhaps that might change for quali? Perhaps McLaren are going for race pace?

Qualifying is going to be fun and I expect a low 7 but it's still very warm.

truefan72
22nd September 2012, 13:12
What did bieber do?

as he entered the pity entrance, there were photographers way inside on the grey tarmac taking pictures of cars entering the pits
Vettel decided to leave the proper pit lane boundary indicated by the double white blue area and veer into grey area well before the first pit entry forcing the photographers to hurriedly scatter and avoid being hit by his car

No other car including his teammate did that and it was dangerous and unnecessary
I hope they reprimand him for that

Knock-on
22nd September 2012, 13:16
Sorry, Seb, not Sen

Robinho
22nd September 2012, 14:57
Singapore at night looks incredible in HD, the race tends to be a bit processional, but it looks spectacular

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Knock-on
22nd September 2012, 15:25
Good news, Singapore has secured a new 5 year deal :)

pino
22nd September 2012, 15:32
Lewis is flying !

truefan72
22nd September 2012, 15:35
senna bins it at the final turn for the 3rd time.
how can you make the same mistake 3 times?

I would be frustrated by the drivers if I were williams

pino
22nd September 2012, 15:42
Kimi out :s

Koz
22nd September 2012, 15:43
Kimi :(

Knock-on
22nd September 2012, 15:45
Massa as well. That's the end of him at Ferrari

pino
22nd September 2012, 15:49
Poor performance by Felipe but I think tomorrow race will decide his future, so lets wait and see ;)

pino
22nd September 2012, 15:53
1:46:3 Lewis !!!

Tazio
22nd September 2012, 16:03
Great lap by the Boss!!

Knock-on
22nd September 2012, 16:04
Well, that was superb and what a time from Pastor!!

It's going to be a frantic couple of corners with him at the front. Anyone betting on a first lap Pastor incident?

Robinho
22nd September 2012, 16:05
Lewis and pastor, 1 and 2 into the 1st corner, what could possibly go wrong?

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rjbetty
22nd September 2012, 16:05
The title contenders are gonna be pretty nervous tomorrow, with Maldonado right among them. Hopefully he can behave himself and get a good result.

truefan72
22nd September 2012, 16:05
blinding lap from Maldonado, that came out of nowhere

lets hope that Hamilton's right rear isn't damaged, another error from the team not telling him to back off. That extra lap on the tyre was unnecessary. He should have been in the pits

Every performance by hamilton is a statement towards the foolishness of ron dennis and his negotiating.

Knock-on
22nd September 2012, 16:08
Come on mate. Button was on track when Lewis entered S3. He couldn't back off and when Jense crossed the line, I'm sure they informed him.

Robinho
22nd September 2012, 16:08
I can't read Maldanado, that performance todat, the race in Spain, absolutely world class, dragging the car forward. The boy is quick, but he can be such a colossal douche, I hope he can keep his speed and lose the "mentally hilarious" moments

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Knock-on
22nd September 2012, 16:10
He is the new JPM. Impossible to dislike driving like that even if it's mixed 50/50 with brain farts.

Robinho
22nd September 2012, 16:13
He's got to lose about 25% brain farys to get up to JON's level, and on his his day he could destroy a field. But for general inconsistency and frustration he's eight up there.

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Robinho
22nd September 2012, 16:14
Damn phone. That'll be farts and JPM

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Knock-on
22nd September 2012, 16:15
I'll pretend I understood that ;)

N4D13
22nd September 2012, 16:15
Well, considering that Maldonado will start the race between Hamilton and Vettel, being fifth is not all that bad for Alonso - he might still win the race if Pastor gives him a hand. :p

In any case, that was a magnificient lap. If only he put in these performances more often and stopped crashing into people.

Robinho
22nd September 2012, 16:17
Just watched Lewis's onboard, that's about as good as it gets, great lap. I hate to use the phrase, but "senna-esque"

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kfzmeister
22nd September 2012, 19:20
Well, considering that Maldonado will start the race between Hamilton and Vettel, being fifth is not all that bad for Alonso - he might still win the race if Pastor gives him a hand. :p


Yes, yes, yes....... :D

F1boat
22nd September 2012, 20:39
blinding lap from Maldonado, that came out of nowhere

lets hope that Hamilton's right rear isn't damaged, another error from the team not telling him to back off. That extra lap on the tyre was unnecessary. He should have been in the pits

Every performance by hamilton is a statement towards the foolishness of ron dennis and his negotiating.

Man, I disagree. McLaren are now the car to beat, Ron AGAIN has provided Lewis with a great car. Lewis is a great driver, but let's be serious. McLaren provided winning cars for Fittipaldi, Hunt, Lauda, Prost, Senna, Hakkinen... some of the greatest drivers in this sport. Lewis can't bully McLaren, it's not right. He is a great driver, but one day he will be just one of the many champions who drove for the mighty McLaren.

N4D13
22nd September 2012, 21:32
Man, I disagree. McLaren are now the car to beat, Ron AGAIN has provided Lewis with a great car. Lewis is a great driver, but let's be serious. McLaren provided winning cars for Fittipaldi, Hunt, Lauda, Prost, Senna, Hakkinen... some of the greatest drivers in this sport. Lewis can't bully McLaren, it's not right. He is a great driver, but one day he will be just one of the many champions who drove for the mighty McLaren.
Personally, I'm one of those who believes that all the Hamilton-to-Mercedes talked is engineered by Lewis' environment in order to milk Macca's cash. Unless Lewis has a severe brain fade of Maldonado-esque proportions, I can't see him moving to Mercedes or any such team with a car which won't allow him to fight for race wins.

steveaki13
22nd September 2012, 21:43
Brilliant by Lewis and Pastor. Where did that lap come from. While Bruno couldn't even get the car round the track.

Lewis and Seb will be nervous of an incident. I know its easy to say, but Pastor has previous. He could either get a podium or wipe out a few in turn 1.

Its going to be a hard race tomorrow and if the top 5 get away cleanly we could be in for a hugely epic hard battle.
Lewis will hope Pastor stays second because that may give him a few seconds lead early on.

Alonso was right about Ferraris Quali pace, but we no Fernando too well, and I would fancy him to get a podium tomorrow. A Hammy win, Vettel second and Alonso 4th or 5th to close up the battle nicely.

Good effort again by Karthikeyan, but the back 3 teams were further away here than most of this season. Shame.

Roll on Tomorrow

Coulthard Fan
23rd September 2012, 00:08
Lets hope Hamilton can get another win tomorrow! Seb has always been a bit of a street circuit master so i would expect him to do well again.
As for Maldonado hope he can stay out of trouble he has the pace and could be a top driver if he became a bit more consistant!

Coulthard Fan
23rd September 2012, 00:10
As for Scumacher terrible performace yet again! I hope somebody like Paul or Nico H can take his seat next year he is just not doing well enough for me to warrent a drive in that Mercedes Benz

Coulthard Fan
23rd September 2012, 00:11
Also what is the weather looking like for tomorrow? Is rain predicted at all?

steveaki13
23rd September 2012, 00:20
Also what is the weather looking like for tomorrow? Is rain predicted at all?

Welcome to the forums.

I was reading an article earlier that said Heavy Rain can never be ruled out in Singapore, but at the moment Dry skies seem to be more likely.

Knock-on
23rd September 2012, 03:22
Weather was great yesterday and started good today but getting a bit close as the day goes on. Rain heading down Malaysia but may not hit tonight.

zako85
23rd September 2012, 10:03
I hope that Grosjean and Maldonado have learned something from their past mistakes and will run a good race.

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 14:01
here we gogoogogo :D

veeten
23rd September 2012, 14:02
Line 'em up... and, here we... GOOOOOOOO!!!!!

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 14:12
Massa fastest lap :dozey: :p

veeten
23rd September 2012, 14:17
and this, too, shall pass. Bt he won't... :p

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 14:21
McLaren set to dominate this race... great job from the team.

veeten
23rd September 2012, 14:22
Vettel pits.

veeten
23rd September 2012, 14:24
Alonso pits.

veeten
23rd September 2012, 14:28
"Thank you, Kimi." :D

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 14:31
maldonado CAN pass :eek: :up:

veeten
23rd September 2012, 14:32
bit of a 'shake' there... ;)

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 14:46
Oh dear :( :andrea:

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 14:46
Bye bye, Lewis

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 14:47
what a shame :mad: :andrea:

Koz
23rd September 2012, 14:47
Damn. Shattered.

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 14:47
Now all we need is Renault to have fixed their Alternators :) :andrea:

Garry Walker
23rd September 2012, 14:48
well easy win for bieber now, shame.

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 14:48
This always happens with McLaren, this cost them so many championships, to be honest. Remember Kimi and 2005!

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 14:50
The funny thing is that now we have an unreliable Red Bull and an unreliable McLaren in 1-2... Alonso can still win this. Although I want Sebi to win it.

wedge
23rd September 2012, 14:50
Hamilton's title hopes looks slim now.

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 14:51
stupid mclaren
stupid mclaren
stupid mclaren

so if they knew here was a gearbox issues, why not change the box and take the 5 place grid penalty

stupid mclaren
stupid mclaren

pino
23rd September 2012, 14:52
Feel sorry for Lewis :(

JasonPotato
23rd September 2012, 14:52
Sign for mercedes ;)

AndyL
23rd September 2012, 14:52
Does everyone know chat is open on the front page?

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 14:52
Maybe they were too agressive in their development, like in 2005. They got the pace, but not the reliability and gifted the championships to Alonso and Renault.

veeten
23rd September 2012, 14:54
something tells me that it isn't the gearbox proper, but the electronics. Heat from the internals of the car got to them and shut them down.

rjbetty
23rd September 2012, 14:56
Does everyone know chat is open on the front page?

I haven't seen it, but it was around last race I think.

As Ben and DC said, Lewis's regular engineer Andy Latham will be disappointed, watching from home...
*checks your username*
Hey, hang on... :p

For all my campaigning for increased unreliability in F1, Lewis' misfortune has made me feel pretty glum. :(

Support now goes to Button and Alonso in that order. I don't want to see the finger today...

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 14:56
hehe Rosberg: go faster or you risk overheating :laugh:

Garry Walker
23rd September 2012, 14:58
stupid mclaren
stupid mclaren
stupid mclaren

so if they knew here was a gearbox issues, why not change the box and take the 5 place grid penalty

stupid mclaren
stupid mclaren

They didn't know.

wedge
23rd September 2012, 14:58
stupid mclaren
stupid mclaren
stupid mclaren

so if they knew here was a gearbox issues, why not change the box and take the 5 place grid penalty

stupid mclaren
stupid mclaren

If it was me I would have risked it and keep track position.

If I was in the position of leading the WDC then I would have definitely gone for the gearbox change and go for points/damage limitation strategy.

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 14:59
BTW, Jenson can still win this. He will likely have two stops and Sebi three. So Jenson is the favorite to win this race.

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 14:59
pit race :uhoh:

wedge
23rd September 2012, 15:01
They didn't know.

"We did all we could yesterday"

What does that entail?

We'll have to wait for McLaren's response.

Garry Walker
23rd September 2012, 15:02
BTW, Jenson can still win this. He will likely have two stops and Sebi three. So Jenson is the favorite to win this race.

Are you drunk?

Red Bull is favourite, they are the fastest car out there.

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 15:04
balls... ferrari should have waited a lap or two to get in front of rosberg :(

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 15:06
SC

Koz
23rd September 2012, 15:06
And another twist!

Garry Walker
23rd September 2012, 15:06
Even on older tyres bieber is making the gap bigger to button. No doubt who will win. Well, we can hope Bieber has a deserved car failure

veeten
23rd September 2012, 15:07
"Thank you, Narin"... :p

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 15:12
pastor out :(

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 15:12
WTF is williams doing?

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 15:12
Pastor out

AndyL
23rd September 2012, 15:14
Isn't DiResta doing a nice job here. Even before the pit stops he was pulling away from Webber behind him.

The way things are going currently that probably means his car's about to break!

pino
23rd September 2012, 15:16
Bad luck for Pastor.

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 15:17
Yes, I feel for William-Renault, because for once they had the pace... cruel luck.

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 15:18
btw I have no faith in button doing anything to help hamilton
watch him give up the position to alonso

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 15:20
Bad luck for Pastor.

yup so cars p1 and p2 both out, and lucky alonso and vettel get to go on
I'm beyond pissed and already threw my drink against the wall :(

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 15:20
PDLR just posted green :laugh:

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 15:20
btw I have no faith in button doing anything to help hamilton
watch him give up the position to alonso

I think that he can still win this. And I am not sure that the Red Bull can survive this race, although I hope so... In fact, Ferrari seems to be the most reliable car.

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 15:21
vettel :crazy:

Knock-on
23rd September 2012, 15:21
Damn. Could have been hydraulics but will try to find out later.

:(

wedge
23rd September 2012, 15:22
btw I have no faith in button doing anything to help hamilton
watch him give up the position to alonso

He nearly did....

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 15:22
BAM grandpa :mad:

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 15:23
what the...

veeten
23rd September 2012, 15:23
thanks, 'pops'... :dozey:

Garry Walker
23rd September 2012, 15:23
I think that he can still win this. And I am not sure that the Red Bull can survive this race, although I hope so... In fact, Ferrari seems to be the most reliable car.

LOL. Just beyond stupid.


Idiot MS

BleAivano
23rd September 2012, 15:23
Schumi :eek: :rolleyes: :arrowed: :down:

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 15:23
Schu schurely needs a race ban for that :mad:

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 15:24
another SC.

Knock-on
23rd September 2012, 15:24
Should have gone to specsavers!!!

pino
23rd September 2012, 15:24
MS :eek:

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 15:24
Schu schurely needs a race ban for that :mad:

I agree. I am kinda fed up with this stupid accidents.

AndyL
23rd September 2012, 15:25
"What happened there?" Good question!

AndyL
23rd September 2012, 15:26
So Alonso not pitting under this SC either.

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 15:26
lol so with DRS button still falls 1.5 seconds behind vettel in one lap

wedge
23rd September 2012, 15:27
JEV is an awfully nice fellow.

One would have been keen to give Schumi a black eye.

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 15:28
I agree. I am kinda fed up with this stupid accidents.

racing incident methinks
it was an error by MSC but nothing malicious that would warrant a race ban.
maybe even a car problem
lets get real please

now Vettel brake checking Button on the other hand...

BleAivano
23rd September 2012, 15:28
close call for Button as well.

Koz
23rd September 2012, 15:28
Hum... Race ban for Shoe? :confused:

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 15:28
Vettel should get a penalty for the SC antics too :mad:

veeten
23rd September 2012, 15:29
Should have gone to specsavers!!!

sorta makes you wonder how he got past the vision test for 'older' drivers... ;)

ShiftingGears
23rd September 2012, 15:29
"What happened there?" Good question!

I've never heard quite so much astonishment communicated to the driver over team radio before. Very embarrassing accident.

Ranger
23rd September 2012, 15:30
MS :eek:

It was a pretty ugly accident and 100% his fault, that's for sure.

I'm not sure the Race Engineer was entirely professional about it either.

AndyL
23rd September 2012, 15:31
lol so with DRS button still falls 1.5 seconds behind vettel in one lap

He fell about 7 or 8 seconds behind at the start of the race too, but closed it up and gained 2-3 laps of extra tyre life over the two drivers ahead. It's too early to be LOLing about tyre strategies before you know how they'll play out.

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 15:32
Massa can pass :eek:

AndyL
23rd September 2012, 15:32
Massa can pass :eek:

Certainly, erm... audacious

BleAivano
23rd September 2012, 15:32
..Massa....

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 15:34
massa cut that chicane was clearly over the white line and off track in trying the pass
where are the stewards?

pino
23rd September 2012, 15:35
Crazy pass by Felipe !!!

AndyL
23rd September 2012, 15:35
DiResta on the podium I reckon

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 15:37
Massa under investigation, truefan ;)

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 15:38
massa keeps cutting the chicanes WTF?

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 15:41
Roman: kimi is faster than you :p

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 15:43
Roman: kimi is faster than you :p

:D Priceless

pino
23rd September 2012, 15:43
Roman, Felipe is faster than you :p :

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 15:44
perez should stop complaining that was all his fault

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 15:46
webber 4 wheels over

veeten
23rd September 2012, 15:46
Roman, Rikshaw driver is faster than you... :p

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 15:48
Will someone pit again?

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 15:49
come on Button, push Renault into an alternator failure :)

AndyL
23rd September 2012, 15:49
If Alonso doesn't pit his tyres will be pretty old at the end.

Edit: no problem yet though!

Garry Walker
23rd September 2012, 15:49
Bieber has the much faster car here. He increased his pace by 7 tenths and set the fastest lap. Now he is just cruising and keeping the gap with Button

Garry Walker
23rd September 2012, 15:50
If Alonso doesn't pit his tyres will be pretty old at the end.

Yes, but he can't really afford pitting. That would mean no points.

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 15:51
well, one thing is for sure, this is interesting and dramatic... maybe the best street race in the calendar.

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 15:53
this is the difference between button and hamilton
Hamilton would have pushed his car to challenge vettel, and actually in this race was keeping him at bay
Button seems to be incapable of doing anything about his situation and is in cruise mode
seems like he has no interest or no skill to challenge vettel unless vettel's tires start failing

Garry Walker
23rd September 2012, 15:57
this is the difference between button and hamilton
Hamilton would have pushed his car to challenge vettel, and actually in this race was keeping him at bay
Button seems to be incapable of doing anything about his situation and is in cruise mode
seems like he has no interest or no skill to challenge vettel unless vettel's tires start failing

What are you on about? McLaren is slower here than Red Bull, he has no chance whatsoever against Bieber here. You saw the kind of pace Bieber can do with his super Red Bull.

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 15:58
RBR better not be giving SSTR any instructions
pathetic

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 16:00
Danny seems to defend well.

AndyL
23rd September 2012, 16:03
Senna retires and hands 10th place in the WCC to Marussia. How finely balanced things are at the bottom of the championship.

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 16:03
Thanks God :) SEBI YESSSS!

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 16:05
What are you on about? McLaren is slower here than Red Bull, he has no chance whatsoever against Bieber here. You saw the kind of pace Bieber can do with his super Red Bull.

wrong & wrong

Vettel was slower than Hamilton, and just because slow man button is fading doesn't mean that RBR was faster this weekend.
Hamilton had this race under control, blew away the competition in Qualy and was clearly the fastest car out there.
Just because you wish the RBR was faster to fit your continued delusion about RBR being the fastest car, does not mean that you can avoid a little thing called facts and telemetry

truefan72
23rd September 2012, 16:07
i'm off to bed, this has been a most useless race from my POV

listening to vettel celebrate as if he did anything to earn this victory is turning my stomach

ShiftingGears
23rd September 2012, 16:07
Great shame about Hamilton dropping out of the race. Pretty disappointed about how the championship fight is turning out.


Thanks God :) SEBI YESSSS!

...Sebi?

wedge
23rd September 2012, 16:09
What are you on about? McLaren is slower here than Red Bull, he has no chance whatsoever against Bieber here. You saw the kind of pace Bieber can do with his super Red Bull.

Here we go again, the usual nonsense.

It was swings and roundabouts.

Hamilton was able to manage the gap. Unlike Button today Hamilton was able to respond when Fingers dropped the hammer.

Garry Walker
23rd September 2012, 16:32
wrong & wrong The only one wrong here is you as I am about to show you.



Vettel was slower than Hamilton, No, Bieber was managing the gap with Hamilton. When Hamilton retired, Bieber started going faster than he had gone before.


and just because slow man button is fading doesn't mean that RBR was faster this weekend. Button was going faster than Hamilton before he retired and the gap was getting close. So Hamilton was already in tyre difficulties, he was doing pretty inconsistent sector times as well.


Hamilton had this race under control, blew away the competition in Qualy and was clearly the fastest car out there.
Hamilton did a great lap in qualy, Bieber did a ****ty lap.
If he was clearly the fastest car out there, why was Bieber less than 2 seconds from him and able to faster the moment LH retired? If he was clearly the fastest guy out there, why was Button closing down on him? Why was Alonso closing down on him?



Just because you wish the RBR was faster to fit your continued delusion about RBR being the fastest car, does not mean that you can avoid a little thing called facts and RB was the fastest car out there. You can see how Bieber cruised at the end and then did one blinding lap to show his speed. Button, who before LH had retired, was able to go faster than LH, had no answers for that pace, nor would LH have had that.



telemetryHas LH posted something on twitter again?


Here we go again, the usual nonsense.

It was swings and roundabouts.

Hamilton was able to manage the gap. Unlike Button today Hamilton was able to respond when Fingers dropped the hammer.
LH had no answers when others were closing down on him and were faster than him.
If LH was just managing the gap, why on the last few laps before pitting, was Button able to go much faster than LH?

kfzmeister
23rd September 2012, 16:33
What are you on about? McLaren is slower here than Red Bull, he has no chance whatsoever against Bieber here. You saw the kind of pace Bieber can do with his super Red Bull.

I actually think that McLaren told Button to hold position. Why help Alonso?

Nikki Katz
23rd September 2012, 16:33
The fairy lights on Vettel's helmet were really distracting.

steveaki13
23rd September 2012, 16:41
Wow. I really enjoyed that race today.

It was a race with drama, suspense and tactics.

I feel sorry for Lewis, he worked hard this weekend and was in epic form, until his car failed.

Important win for Seb. He really needed that for the Championship and yet again Alonso holds the cards.

BTW Truefan you need to take a chill pill. Lewis was awesome today and sometimes these things happen in motorsport. No need to rant at Button for no reason, he did a good job today.

steveaki13
23rd September 2012, 16:42
It was annoying though to see the finger again. :mad:

Seb needs to vary his celebration otherwise a peed off rival might break it one day. :D

steveaki13
23rd September 2012, 16:43
The fairy lights on Vettel's helmet were really distracting.

I kept feeling like it was December when Seb came on screen, and that I should get out the Christmas Tree

MrJan
23rd September 2012, 17:46
No, Bieber was managing the gap with Hamilton.

Who manages a gap to the person in front of them if they're capable of going faster? "I'm much quicker than this guy but I think I'll stay just outside of DRS zone and settle for second in the hope that he has a mechanical problem".

Garry, you remind me a lot of a guy called Pete that's on a football forum I go on, he's a ****ing idiot that always makes up what he thinks has happened....not sure why you remind me of him though.

Coulthard Fan
23rd September 2012, 17:51
Stop calling him Bieber it is possibly the most pathetic thing ever!
I would rather see Seb win the title then Alonso any day of the week!
Im sick of Mclaren reliablity and mistakes! It seems to alternate one week they will muck up a pitstop the next they will have a mechanical failure!

steveaki13
23rd September 2012, 18:03
[quote="Coulthard Fan"] Stop calling him Bieber it is possibly the most pathetic thing ever!
[quote]


Wasting your typing fingers. :p :

No one else has succeeded. :(

steveaki13
23rd September 2012, 18:06
Another quiet day on the forum. :(

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 19:23
Stop calling him Bieber it is possibly the most pathetic thing ever!




Wasting your typing fingers. :p :

No one else has succeeded. :(

that's why I used the ignore option, although I sometimes check Mr. Walker's posts for the laughs ;)

Tazio
23rd September 2012, 19:42
Webber gets a 20 second penalty relegating him to 11th, and losing his point, and Papa gets a 10 position grid drop in Japan for clocking JEV :angel:

jarrambide
23rd September 2012, 19:54
Webber gets a 20 second penalty relegating him to 11th, and losing his point, and Papa gets a 10 position grid drop in Japan for clocking JEV :angel:

I really dislike it when they announce they will review anything after the race, do it like 2 weeks ago when everything was reviewed during the race and any penalties were enforced during the race, this way, whoever improves improves on the points, or in this case, whoever gets the final point, looks like he won it on the table.

Having said that, I will probably use my DVR to see that incident again, I'm not saying it wasn't deserving of a penalty, I just want to compare it to the Massa and Senna incident to see if they are being consistent on that squeezing rule.

Edit: I just saw the post down below, if it was for going out of the track to overtake, then I guess there is no need to compare it to the Senna Massa incident.

Dave B
23rd September 2012, 19:55
Stop calling him Bieber it is possibly the most pathetic thing ever!
There used to be a rule here about not calling drivers by derogatory nicknames (contractions like Schuey were fine; The Chin or Chop Schuey weren't). That seems to have slipped. Hey ho.

Anyway, penalty news.

Schumacher loses 10 places in Suzuka for colliding with the back of Vergne; Webber has had 20 seconds added to his race time for going off-track to overtake Kobayashi, demoting him to 11th.

Edit: I've just noticed I'm fashionably late, my news is more like "olds". :p

Dave B
23rd September 2012, 19:58
I really dislike it when they announce they will review anything after the race...
Sometimes the stewards need to interview the drivers involved, and therefore have to wait for the race to finish.

jarrambide
23rd September 2012, 20:09
Sometimes the stewards need to interview the drivers involved, and therefore have to wait for the race to finish.

I get that sometimes that is needed, but this year, they have really abuse it, besides, many of the incidents they have reviewed, you would not get anything from interviewing, Isee it more as being afraid to commit to a decision during the race than a real need of hearing from drivers, if you are gong to penalize someone for squeezing another driver, are you going to change your mind because he denies doing it or because he says it wasn't on purpose?, If that were the case, Maldonado should have received 0 penalties this year.

F1boat
23rd September 2012, 20:13
I glad that Seb was not penalized :) I feel bad for Michael, though, even if he kind of deserved the penalty.

donKey jote
23rd September 2012, 20:20
Schu schurely needs a race ban for that :mad:
-> 10 places


webber 4 wheels over
-> 20 seconds

steveaki13
23rd September 2012, 23:25
I think Schumi was lucky to get away with just a grid drop, but there again it was only a mistake and not agreesive or intentional.

I assume Webber was penalized for passing off track? If so not quite sure why they couldn't give him a drive thru mid race as it happened with still 8 odd laps to go. It must have only required a few replays and not interviews.

Never the less I think both were just about jjustified, and we can move on.

wedge
24th September 2012, 01:54
LH had no answers when others were closing down on him and were faster than him.
If LH was just managing the gap, why on the last few laps before pitting, was Button able to go much faster than LH?

Managing the gap meant making sure Vettel could not get a whiff of DRS.

From lap 3-5:

1m56.271

1m55.777

1m56.142

And you could argue that contributed to tyre life whereas Button spent most of the first stint doing mid-1m56s

In the second stint the gap between LH and SV was as high as 2s and as low as 1.3s. Is that not managing the gap?

Why would LH worry about his team mate? Button would need to get past Vettel first.

wedge
24th September 2012, 02:00
Stop calling him Bieber it is possibly the most pathetic thing ever!

You talking about Fingers?

Big Ben
24th September 2012, 08:25
Speaking of penalties... wasn't there some rule about the leader having to stay like in ten lengths of a car behind the safety car or something like that? And there should be some a rule about false restarts

Mia 01
24th September 2012, 10:27
Congrats to Seb and RBR, the championship still lives!
Kimi, damage limitation as for the three last races. Not good enough but Lotus is slipping backwards.

andyone
24th September 2012, 17:56
I think LH has soo much slim chances of championship. Aaah

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Tazio
24th September 2012, 19:41
You talking about Fingers? Or Kettle? :confused: ;)

Tazio
24th September 2012, 19:42
Sometimes the stewards need to interview the drivers involved, and therefore have to wait for the race to finish.As well as look at telemetry.

Tazio
24th September 2012, 20:00
I think Schumi was lucky to get away with just a grid drop, but there again it was only a mistake and not agreesive or intentional.



Never the less I think both were just about jjustified, and we can move on.
I comepletely respect your opinnion. Here is another perspective:


The unusually severe level of the penalty - losing ten grid spots in Japan rather than the usual five - is a result of the race stewards taking into account that this is the second similar offence by Michael Schumacher this season.

The stewards heard from the driver as well as from a Mercedes team representative and reviewed video and telemetry evidence before concluding that Schumacher had committed a breach of Article 16.1 of the FIA F1 Sporting Regulations.

The ruling stated: "The driver admitted the collision was his error due to the failure to anticipate the braking performance of the car with lower tyre grip following a safety car period."

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/184333/1/schumacher_and_webber_penalised_vettel_cleared.htm l?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

I don't know about these cumulative penalties. If the stewards did their job more consistently across the board there would be no need to take extraordinary measures.
I also wonder if they would double the penalty this late in the season if it involved a driver fighting for the championship…..Just sayin' (since none of the title contenders have been driving like this level of a tool) ;)

donKey jote
24th September 2012, 21:15
I glad that Seb was not penalized :)

He was lucky to get away with it... had it been Opa behind him instead of Button, he wouldn't have finished the race :)

Coulthard Fan
24th September 2012, 21:24
Sorry I honestly havent a clue about what your saying?

Tazio
24th September 2012, 21:53
He was lucky to get away with it... had it been Opa behind him instead of Button, he wouldn't have finished the race :)

Or Seb's own evil twin! :)

F1boat
25th September 2012, 09:51
He was lucky to get away with it... had it been Opa behind him instead of Button, he wouldn't have finished the race :)

He was unlucky many times this season. He deserved that win :)

AndyL
25th September 2012, 12:42
Sorry I honestly havent a clue about what your saying?

Perhaps it would help if someone compiled a thesaurus of all the derogatory nicknames used for each driver.

Personally, I think it would be even better if we had a re-introduction of the rule banning derogatory nicknames.

F1boat
25th September 2012, 12:48
Personally, I think it would be even better if we had a re-introduction of the rule banning derogatory nicknames.

I agree!

donKey jote
25th September 2012, 17:53
Sorry I honestly havent a clue about what your saying?

Sorry, I honestly haven't a clue about what you're saying either.

donKey jote
25th September 2012, 17:55
He was unlucky many times this season. He deserved that win :)

I agree, but his antics behind the SC with Button were still borderline. :)

N. Jones
25th September 2012, 18:22
I agree, but his antics behind the SC with Button were still borderline. :)

I am confused, what did 'he' (Hamilton?) do behind the SC??

donKey jote
25th September 2012, 19:08
'he' is Vettel. He accelerated before the restart and then braked abruptly, very nearly catching Button out. Button somehow managed not to go into the back of him or off track. Here Vettel was very lucky.
It took the stewards until three hours after the race to decide on 'no further action', the rules being somewhat vague (the leader gives the pace versus must not cause any messing). During that time, there were apparently (according for example to Motorsport Aktuell, a pro-Vettel rag ;) :p ) several long faces at Red Bull. Again, it would seem Vettel was very lucky.

Tazio
26th September 2012, 22:25
The Williams F1 team have revealed that Bruno Senna suffered burns to his back due to car problems at the Singapore Grand Prix.

The Brazilian to retire from the race due to a KERS problem with his car and messages were relayed by the pit team instructing the driver not to touch the car and the ground at the same time due to “conductivity issues.”
Williams confirm Bruno Senna burns - Setanta Sports | Ireland (http://ie.setanta.com/ie/williams-confirm-bruno-senna-burns/)
Was KERS ruled out as a factor in Williams' fire after the GP of Spain?

Tazio
28th September 2012, 05:07
the British team on Thursday exonerated KERS, explaining that in fact a wiring loom seal came loose, allowing heat to escape from the rear of the car. "The burns on my back weren't serious and are pretty much healed," Senna said on Twitter. http://www.f1today.net/en/news/bruno-senna-fine-after-singapore-back-burns

I'm glad it wasn't due to KERS one of the innovations I'm for.

steveaki13
28th September 2012, 21:42
That sounds nasty. :hot:


Feel sorry for Bruno. It still doesn't explain his wayward weekend on the whole, I really hope he can have a strong end to the season and keep a chance of a drive next season. I like Bruno.