Yalta Rally 2012

[tolis]

First entries published: PRIME Yalta Rally - Crew Site (http://rally.co.ua/rallies/16/site/crew)

[aykutbilir]

Four entires for Castrol Ford Team Turkiye :)

[tolis]

Mikko Pajunen-Kaj Lindstrom in a Ford Fiesta S2000!

[Fri]

Patrik Flodin tested PSWRT Fiesta before Yalta Rally in Hungary:
rallysport.hu: Patrik Flodin Fiesta S2000 tarmac test before IRC Yalta Rally - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NHDpuZOI4A&feature=share&list=UUQM7oNrvH0N8BnI516tD3Fg)

[tolis]

Protasov in a Fiesta RRC!

[Jeppe]

Patrik Flodin tested PSWRT Fiesta before Yalta Rally in Hungary:
rallysport.hu: Patrik Flodin Fiesta S2000 tarmac test before IRC Yalta Rally - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NHDpuZOI4A&feature=share&list=UUQM7oNrvH0N8BnI516tD3Fg)

Why did he tested for the rally since he is not in the entry list?!? Was it some sort of ´Hankook development test´??

PRIME Yalta Rally - Crew Site (http://rally.co.ua/rallies/16/site/crew)

[tolis]

Why did he tested for the rally since he is not in the entry list?!? Was it some sort of ´Hankook development test´??

PRIME Yalta Rally - Crew Site (http://rally.co.ua/rallies/16/site/crew)

Entry list is not final yet!

[uranium]

What about Skoda?
If no new entrant it should be presented win to JML N2

[A FONDO]

What about Skoda?
If no new entrant it should be presented win to JML N2
The win doesnt matter but I wonder how many 0 and S cars will be caught this time :D

[Mirek]

What about Skoda?
If no new entrant it should be presented win to JML N2

AFAIK Škoda Motorsport will not start.

[werner]

Also no Mikkelsen, and same for Bulgaria. No Skoda Motorsport and no Andreas. Championship are decided ... Juha ERC, Jan CZ and Andreas IRC if nothing going wrong.

[pantealex]

PRIME Yalta Rally - Crew Site (http://rally.co.ua/rallies/16/site/crew)
Mikkelsen is in that list, so starting or not?

[werner]

He is at current list, but non-starter.

[MartijnS]

Mikkelsen just said on twitter that he's heading to this rally..?

[uranium]

What is the source of such information?

[werner]

My information after barum rally, that Skoda Motorsport and Skoda UK are missing at Yalta and Bulgaria, probably also San Remo (Mikkelsen). If there are changes, OK, good for Organizer and fans!

[Mirek]

I know nothing about UK Team. My information was only about Jan and Juho not going to Ukraine and Bulgaria.

[werner]

So my source is Skoda UK ... :-)
I will call him later, and ask once more. Andreas is doing France and Spain WRC, and maybe they cut also San Remo, if Championship going right way. I dont think they make different decisions in two days. Anyway, the plan BEFORE Barum was doing Yalta Rally.

[PLuto]

Skoda was not planning to attend Bulgaria from beginning. After Barum it is sure they will not start also on Yalta. But about Mikkelsen nothing official yet.

[Viking]

So my source is Skoda UK ... :-)
I will call him later, and ask once more. Andreas is doing France and Spain WRC, and maybe they cut also San Remo, if Championship going right way. I dont think they make different decisions in two days. Anyway, the plan BEFORE Barum was doing Yalta Rally.

I hope your source tell Andreas.. Q on FB:Andreas, will you be staying on in the UK to go to Rally Wales GB 13th Oct ??? A: No, I'll be heading for IRC Yalta Rally next weekend!

[werner]

I hope that for Organizer and Fans, that he will be there. As I told you, thats the decision after Barum, if they change, everything is OK.

[pettersolberg29]

Now confirmed that Mikkelsen will skip Yalta Rally

[Viking]

Your source was spot on werner!

Mikkelsen to miss Ukraine | Andreas Mikkelsen (http://www.andreasmikkelsen.no/news/mikkelsen-to-miss-ukraine/)

[RS]

Weakest IRC entry for ages :(

I hope the series can regain it's former glory when Peugeot and Skoda come with R5.

[tolis]

Your source was spot on werner!

Mikkelsen to miss Ukraine | Andreas Mikkelsen (http://www.andreasmikkelsen.no/news/mikkelsen-to-miss-ukraine/)
Instead he'll do the recce in Wales GV for VW Motorsport.

[werner]

Seems thats the final entry list IRC:

PRIME Yalta Rally - Crew Site (http://rally.co.ua/rallies/16/site/crew)

But where is Flodin? Thought he had a test and will be there?

[tolis]

Only 7 S2000-RRC cars:

S2000 1.6T
Protasov (Fiesta S2000 RRC)
Tamrazov (Fiesta S2000 RRC)
Salyuk jr (Mini Cooper S2000 1.6T)

S2000
Pajunen (Fiesta S2000)
Avci (Fiesta S2000)
Vazheyevskyy (Peugeot 207 S2000)
Vizin (Skoda Fabia S2000)

Only 1 Fabia!
It's a great opportunity for Pajunen to score a podium! :D

[PLuto]

But where is Flodin? Thought he had a test and will be there?

I think that there were no plans at Flodin to start on Yalta.

[Hartusvuori]

So what would be the best approach for Pajunen? Push like hell in his first S2000 start and get the most out of that chance - and perhaps win or retire - or take a more calm approach, drive clean and secure a podium in an event with such weak entry. Technical issues would be the worst case.

Whose car is it?

[donlorean]

Whose car is it?

"Mikko Pajunen, who is co-driven by Kimi Räikkönen’s former navigator Kaj Lindström in an M-Sport Ford Fiesta S2000."

News from IRC Press offices Yalta preview...

[PLuto]

I think it is car from Tamrazov...

[mousti]

The Mini SPC is also a new one for their garage? Seems the money from their team comes out heaven..

[V.Gatev]

Wihtout Mini SP, Saljuk is missing in entry list.

[tolis]

Final entry list (28 entries for IRC rally) -Top 15

1 Protasov/Nesvit-Ford Fiesta RRC
2 Avci/Gucenmez-Ford Fiesta S2000
3 Pajunen/Lindstrom-Ford Fiesta S2000
5 Vizin/Zsiros-Skoda Fabia S2000
7 Vazheyevskyy/Kochkovyy-Peugeot 207 S2000
8 Pushkar/Mishyn-Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X R4
9 M. Tempestini/Pulpea-Subaru Impreza STi R4
10 Cavigioli/Fortunato-Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4
11 R.Consani/Klinger-Renault Megane RS
12 S.Tempestini/L.Baggio-Subaru Impreza STi N15
14 Gorban/Nikolaev-Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX
15 Kochmar/Koval-Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII
16 Shapovalov/Shumakov- Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX
17 Pechenyk/Roschenko-Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X
19 Chmykh/Vilchinskyii-Subaru Impreza
.
.
.

[A FONDO]

what a disaster. and some people wanted eurosport to become promoter of wrc

[mousti]

No Tamrazov either, I would say, Pajunen for the win! He has a nice chance!

[PLuto]

Tamrazov will start with Mini, st.no. 4

[uranium]

Tamrazov can start even on rocket. It doesn't matter

[mousti]

Besides Protasov and Pushkar any other fast Ukrainians or talents who could end in top 10?

[uranium]

Besides Protasov and Pushkar any other fast Ukrainians or talents who could end in top 10?

(14) Gorban, might be (15)Kochmar and (16)Shapovalov, but it depends

[mousti]

Okay thanks uranium :)

[Co-FIN]

..

[A FONDO]

Such a narrow road and he still doesnt use its whole width

[pantealex]

I think it is car from Tamrazov...
or Mattias Therman´s because he has been helping Pajunen a lot and Pajunen has contacts to Turkish team which has Mini...
But I don´t know. If there is Printsport truck then it is Therman´s Fiesta.

[tolis]

or Mattias Therman´s because he has been helping Pajunen a lot and Pajunen has contacts to Turkish team which has Mini...
But I don´t know. If there is Printsport truck then it is Therman´s Fiesta.
It is Salyuk's car

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/281975_4172251538520_998428031_n.jpg

[Mirek]

So it's Tamrazov's ;)

[tolis]

So it's Tamrazov's ;)
Yes, but he never used it himself. ;)

[tolis]

Tamrazov won't start in the IRC event, but only in the Ukrainian championship.

[pucky54]

Tamrazov won't start in the IRC event, but only in the Ukrainian championship.

He is using his new Mini, thats the reason ;)

[mousti]

don't get the logic? what's difference? okay it's not a registered manufacture but besides that it's stays the same..

[uranium]

Kochmar will start on Evo VIII, because he crashed his Evo IX recently. So, it will be harder for him to keep the top speed.

[tolis]

He is using his new Mini, thats the reason ;)
Also Sordo used his Mini in the IRC event of Corsica. The Ukrainian round is shorter than the IRC one I think.

[Mirek]

Also Sordo used his Mini in the IRC event of Corsica. The Ukrainian round is shorter than the IRC one I think.

Sordo was part of the IRC event because in that time there was an agreement between Prodrive and Eurosport that Prodrive will register Mini after Tour de Corse. They have never done it so since then no Minis are part of the IRC classification (Snijers, Pech, Tamrazov).

[mousti]

So it's just because the Ukranian round is shorter than?

[Mirek]

So again. Mini is not registered so drivers with Mini are not part of the IRC event. Simple as that. Rallies like Ypres or Barum didn't make separated entry lists for all championships run there but otherwise it was same - no Mini in the IRC event. The itinerary seems to be same for both events.

[tolis]

So again. Mini is not registered so drivers with Mini are not part of the IRC event. Simple as that. Rallies like Ypres or Barum didn't make separated entry lists for all championships run there but otherwise it was same - no Mini in the IRC event. The itinerary seems to be same for both events.
From Nicola Arena's fb page: I am in Yalta instead, for the IRC event, where I will codrive Alex Tamrazov in his new Mini. But we won't start the IRC event, only the Ukrainian championship one, which is shorter.

[Mirek]

There is no word about that in the supplementary regulations. Or am I just blind? :)

[mousti]

It would be good to know, because on another forum we have a pickem about Yalta and if it's not the same amount of km's it has no sense to put Tamrazov in it.

[uranium]

What I see from different sites (unfortunatelly official site is under deep reconstruction before the rally :rolleyes :) , that Ukrainian championship stage is really shorter:
http://rally-ua.org/images/download/yalta2012marshlist.pdf

IRC time table includes several more stages:
Prime Yalta Rally 2012 - Time table - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2012/prime-yalta-rally-2012/time-table/)

So, Ukr ch is 145,13 km, IRC is + 116.74 km

[uranium]

IRC goes for the 3rd day, Ukr ch not

[Wim_Impreza]

Sordo was part of the IRC event because in that time there was an agreement between Prodrive and Eurosport that Prodrive will register Mini after Tour de Corse. They have never done it so since then no Minis are part of the IRC classification (Snijers, Pech, Tamrazov).

I understand, but why has Sordo still the IRC points of his victory in the Tour de Corse?

[PLuto]

I understand, but why has Sordo still the IRC points of his victory in the Tour de Corse?

Because it is not possible to delete points, which was distributed...

[tolis]

Protasov fastest in SD: Protasov sets the pace on Yalta shakedown - News - IRC Intercontinental Rally Challenge - Eurosport (http://www.ircseries.com/news/detail/id/896)
SD photos: Event Photos' Gallery - IRC Intercontinental Rally Challenge - Eurosport (http://www.ircseries.com/photogallery/list/id/44)

[mousti]

Pajunen leading in front of Protasov

Prime Yalta Rally 2012 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2012/prime-yalta-rally-2012/?ssId=1323)

[veegog]

Protasov won the first stage today with a good margin to Pajunen +12.6 sec and now leads the rally.
The battle for the win will be definitely between this two.
The list of participants is really small with only Pajunen a top name.
Few drivers from Turkey and Romania.
I wonder who will drive in the Sliven rally at the end of this month :confused:

[veegog]

... and Pajunen fights back on SS 4 with 18 seconds over Protasov :eek:
Now he leads the rally by 6,4 sec to the Ukrainian.

[uranium]

... and Protasov cut back over 20 sec ;)
It should be nice battle :)

[darkstar]

wow, is this really a irc rallye again? i didnt notice that...thats pretty much the worst irc rallye ever, isnt it? why is there absolutely noone starting???

[Mirek]

I think that some editions of Safari or Rally China were worse. In most of its seasons IRC had some worse events.

[donlorean]

Any idea what kind of a weather there is?

[uranium]

Any idea what kind of a weather there is?

Weather Forecast Yalta, Ukraine | Yalta Weather | Wunderground (http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/UR/Yalta.html)

[uranium]

wow, is this really a irc rallye again? i didnt notice that...thats pretty much the worst irc rallye ever, isnt it? why is there absolutely noone starting???

Too many reasons. IMHO political issues not the last one. Also probably some organisation issues from the last year Yalta rally.
And looks like general IRC rally issues, such as loosing interest to it from main players because standing picture is quite clear.

As for me it is pity Juho doesn't have too much possibility to take the crown this year :(

[uranium]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151036376271960

[uranium]

Some photos
Prime Yalta Rally - 2012 | rally.ua - (http://rally.ua/multimedia/photo/ua/prime-yalta-rally-2012)

[Ondra WRC]

What happened with Pajunen?

[tolis]

Problems for Protasov?

[rp]

What happened with Pajunen?

Accident, when driving sixth gear speed. Hit the concrete pole and tree. Luckily the crew ok...

[Ondra WRC]

Problems for Protasov?

Puncture.
rp: Ok, thanks.

[Hartusvuori]

Accident, when driving sixth gear speed. Hit the concrete pole and tree. Luckily the crew ok...

Exactly what was not suppose to happen... Disappointed.

[rp]

Exactly what was not suppose to happen... Disappointed.

That´s true. Very bad for Pajunen. There was no reason to drive too fast. The only aim was to collect the Super 2000 experience and drive to the finish...

[RS]

That´s true. Very bad for Pajunen. There was no reason to drive too fast. The only aim was to collect the Super 2000 experience and drive to the finish...

On the other hand do you really learn anything if you are just driving to finish? Why did they chose this event? Just because a good result was possible because of poor entry?

I think it would be better to chose an event with a better entry so he could compare the speed properly.

Regarding the poor entry, I really think IRC need to reduce the size of the calendar maybe maximum 10 events (7-8 to count) to avoid embarrassments like this weekend.

[tolis]

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/310442_282589275182980_999944329_n.jpg

[stefanvv]

That is strange accident

[veegog]

Tolis I don't see nothing on your post from 18:48 ? Do you know why ?

[uranium]

Tolis I don't see nothing on your post from 18:48 ? Do you know why ?

There is an image. Maybe AdBlock?

[veegog]

I will try to fix it now :)

[veegog]

I see the photo by Firefox but not by Chrome.

Anyway! It's strange crash :)

[tolis]

Protasov first in Ukrainian rally.

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/310640_364987503576101_2115429798_n.jpg

[uranium]

I see the photo by Firefox but not by Chrome.

Anyway! It's strange crash :)

IRC YALTA CRASH PUSHKAR SS5 - Video Gallery - IRC Intercontinental Rally Challenge - Eurosport (http://www.ircseries.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/44/id/582)

[tolis]

@uranium: Are these the final results for the Ukrainian championship?
PRIME Yalta Rally - Day 1 results (http://rally.co.ua/rallies/16/site/result?champ_id=3&map_id=&class=&day=1)

[uranium]

It looks like for the Yalta stage yes

[mousti]

Tamrazov didn't start or went of somewhere again?

[tolis]

Tamrazov didn't start or went of somewhere again?
He started, but retired in SS 4 due to an oil leak.

[Mirek]

Points after Yalta: Autosport : Intercontinental Rally Challenge (http://www.autosport.cz/souteze/bodovani.php?id=64&sk=269)

Jezdci = drivers
Značky = manufacturers
PC = production cup
RZ = SS wins

[uranium]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/558585_430238377011744_346043722_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/301111_430238390345076_445820648_n.jpg


https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.430238333678415.86612.264168416952075&type=1

[Mirek]

What happened to Protasov? he was doing very well.

[uranium]

Protasov crashed and couldn't manage to get to service
IRC YALTA CRASH PROTASOV SS10 - Video Gallery - IRC Intercontinental Rally Challenge - Eurosport (http://www.ircseries.com/videogallery/detail/id_event/44/id/584)

[Mirek]

Thanks

[werner]

Why Protasov blocked Avci on stage 10 for so long time?? There were many possibilities to let him pass! See IRC Video gallery Highlights SS 10.

[bluuford]

Points after Yalta: Autosport : Intercontinental Rally Challenge (http://www.autosport.cz/souteze/bodovani.php?id=64&sk=269)

Jezdci = drivers
Značky = manufacturers
PC = production cup
RZ = SS wins

I think that Manufacturer points are wrong.
Only eight best counts, so Skoda should have still 325, Peugeot 187 (OK), M-Sport 137, Subaru 110 (OK), Renalut 109, Honda 43 (OK).
Anyway, Skoda is now officially IRC Manufacturer Champion. It is not possible to reach 325 points for any other manufacturer now. Congradulation!

[Prisoner Monkeys]

It was a bit diasppointing that none of the IRC regulars decided to appear. You'd think that with Mikkelsen missing the event, his nearest rivals would leap at the opportunity to take some points out of his lead.

Still, it was nice tos ee some lesser-known talent get a moment in the spotlight.

[werner]

But dont forget, that Mikkelsen is the lonly driver who did ALL IRC events since Madeira 2010 until last Barum! Yalta is his first missing event since two years, so more shame that Skoda Motorsport was not there. But its a fact, that some more drivers like Wiegand etc should take the chance in absence of Skoda UK and CZ to win an IRC event. Same for Sliven Rallye, looking forward to that entry list.

[veegog]

Why Protasov blocked Avci on stage 10 for so long time?? There were many possibilities to let him pass! See IRC Video gallery Highlights SS 10.

Well, it's unfair !
Protasov blocked him on purpose of course. If Avci passed him he could make big time on Protasov on this stage.
Protasov was hoping to rebuild the car in service and lose as minimum as possible time to Avci.
That's my way of explanation of the video. Unfair but ...
Protasov seems a very risky and inconsistent driver.

Consani did a very good job on this rally. Also impressed by the progress of the lady driver Stratieva. She was not bad at Barum. Now good ride as well.

[veegog]

But dont forget, that Mikkelsen is the lonly driver who did ALL IRC events since Madeira 2010 until last Barum! Yalta is his first missing event since two years, so more shame that Skoda Motorsport was not there. But its a fact, that some more drivers like Wiegand etc should take the chance in absence of Skoda UK and CZ to win an IRC event. Same for Sliven Rallye, looking forward to that entry list.

I'm very much interested to see who will come to Sliven rally Bulgaria.
Seems like no one of the top names is planning to do it.
I guess Avci, Bostanci, Cosma, Consani, Tempestini, Aigner will be there... but who else is still a big question.

[Mirek]

It was a bit diasppointing that none of the IRC regulars decided to appear. You'd think that with Mikkelsen missing the event, his nearest rivals would leap at the opportunity to take some points out of his lead.

Still, it was nice tos ee some lesser-known talent get a moment in the spotlight.

Škoda Motorsport is not doing full IRC since 2010. It was decided to let UK team doing much more rounds. Obviously they don't want to catch Mikkelsen, just to beat him occasionally seems to be enough for them...

Anyway there were at least some regulars, just none of the top. For example Consani, Tempestini or Pushkar are doing a lot of IRC events this season.

[Mirek]

I think that Manufacturer points are wrong.
Only eight best counts, so Skoda should have still 325, Peugeot 187 (OK), M-Sport 137, Subaru 110 (OK), Renalut 109, Honda 43 (OK).
Anyway, Skoda is now officially IRC Manufacturer Champion. It is not possible to reach 325 points for any other manufacturer now. Congradulation!

You're right. I sent a message to guys to fix it.

[Adler]

I'm very much interested to see who will come to Sliven rally Bulgaria.
Seems like no one of the top names is planning to do it.
I guess Avci, Bostanci, Cosma, Consani, Tempestini, Aigner will be there... but who else is still a big question.
AFAIK Sliven is not in Aigners plans, he will appear in cyprus again.

[uranium]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLVVOYC6JCI

Protasov and fair play are opposite :(

[werner]

Strange ... because the images on IRC Website are on a very different place, there must be some kilometers between ...

Or its the second mistake of Protasov on different stage??

[uranium]

I think it is the same, because he crashed on SS10 and in the interview Protasov said that next stage they couldn't manage to go to reach service. So they retiered after SS10 and SS11 they didn't go at all.

[mousti]

I think Protasov blocked Avci twice, once on SS9 with the flat tire, he didn't want to change it.. SS10 they blocked him then after the off and was going slowly with the damaged suspension (?). SS11 I think he started till the suspension was completely broken (Solberg-Style) and retired on stage.

[Aquagen]

Its a videos from different stages. First video from official IRC site is SS10 Sokolinoye after Protasov has a small crash, second video from SS9 Opolznevoje after Protasov has puncture.

[Mirek]

Robert Consani awarded by the Colin McRae flat out trophy.

[veegog]

Robert Consani awarded by the Colin McRae flat out trophy.

I think there was no other option to be fair.

[dupanton]

I think there was no other option to be fair.

Cosma was 4th overall after SS11 with a small C2, finished 5th at the end. Not bad neither!

[veegog]

AFAIK Sliven is not in Aigners plans, he will appear in cyprus again.

Not good at all for the entry list of Sliven Rally !
Aigner is a good driver and makes nice results in Production Cup.

[veegog]

Cosma was 4th overall after SS11 with a small C2, finished 5th at the end. Not bad neither!

Good result for Cosma as well but Consani won some stages beating the S2000 cars.

[mousti]

Aigner being absent and Consani going well on that asphalt, he can get the double with that! But Sliven and Yalta are sad rallies for the IRC with those entries.

[uranium]

Photo from closing ceremony :)

http://image.tsn.ua/media/images2/original/Sep2012/383671001.jpg

Other photos here Prime Yalta Rally (http://kievskaya.com.ua/novosti/strana/na-prime-yalta-rally-chervonenko-poproschalsya-so-sportom-i-tut-zhe-vernulsya.html)

[mousti]

Closing ceremony was more exciting than the rally itself :D