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schmenke
11th June 2012, 17:48
A few statistics to ponder...
All figures are up to and including the Canadian GP.
These figures are as per my calculations based on statistics, um, borrowed ( :uhoh: ) from the official Formula One website.
Feel free to correct anything that may seem incorrect, or append :) .


Drivers standings as per the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 points system:
Sebastian Vettel 25
Lewis Hamilton 24
Fernando Alonso 24
Mark Webber 22
Nico Rosberg 19
Jenson Button 16
Romain Grosjean 14
Kimi Räikkönen 12
Pastor Maldonado 10
Sergio Perez 10
Kamui Kobayashi 3
Felipe Massa 1
Paul di Resta 1
Bruno Senna 1


Average starting grid position (DNQs excluded):
Nico Rosberg 4.7
Mark Webber 4.9
Lewis Hamilton 5.7
Romain Grosjean 5.7
Sebastian Vettel 5.7
Jenson Button 6.4
Fernando Alonso 6.9
Michael Schumacher 7.7
Kimi Räikkönen 9.4
Kamui Kobayashi 10.9
Felipe Massa 11.9
Paul di Resta 12.6
Sergio Perez 12.9
Nico Hulkenberg 12.9
Daniel Ricciardo 13.1
Pastor Maldonado 14.3
Bruno Senna 14.6
Jean-Eric Vergne 17.0
Heikki Kovalainen 18.4
Vitaly Petrov 18.4
Timo Glock 20.6
Charles Pic 20.9
Pedro de la Rosa 21.0
Narain Karthikeyan 23.2


Average classificaion for races finished (i.e. DNFs excluded)
Romain Grosjean 3.8
Lewis Hamilton 4.4
Fernando Alonso 4.6
Sebastian Vettel 4.7
Mark Webber 5.0
Nico Rosberg 6.6
Kimi Räikkönen 6.9
Sergio Perez 7.7
Kamui Kobayashi 8.6
Paul di Resta 9.6
Michael Schumacher 10.0
Pastor Maldonado 10.8
Jenson Button 10.9
Nico Hulkenberg 11.0
Felipe Massa 11.3
Jean-Eric Vergne 12.6
Bruno Senna 13.0
Daniel Ricciardo 13.3
Timo Glock 16.8
Vitaly Petrov 17.2
Heikki Kovalainen 17.5
Charles Pic 18.8
Narain Karthikeyan 20.0
Pedro de la Rosa 20.3


Average number of positions gained/lost relative to grid position.
Calculated as the average of the difference between final race classification (DNFs excluded) and grid position (DNQs excluded).
Sergio Perez 6.5
Jean-Eric Vergne 4.4
Timo Glock 3.7
Romain Grosjean 3.0
Paul di Resta 3.0
Narain Karthikeyan 3.0
Charles Pic 2.8
Kimi Räikkönen 2.6
Nico Hulkenberg 2.5
Michael Schumacher 2.5
Fernando Alonso 2.3
Lewis Hamilton 1.3
Pedro de la Rosa 1.3
Vitaly Petrov 1.2
Bruno Senna 1.2
Sebastian Vettel 1.0
Kamui Kobayashi 1.0
Heikki Kovalainen 1.0
Pastor Maldonado 0.2
Mark Webber -0.1
Felipe Massa -0.2
Daniel Ricciardo -0.5
Nico Rosberg -1.9
Jenson Button -4.4


Most DNFs
Michael Schumacher 5
Romain Grosjean 3
Charles Pic 3
Kamui Kobayashi 2
Pedro de la Rosa 2
Pastor Maldonado 2
Vitaly Petrov 2
Narain Karthikeyan 2
Nico Hulkenberg 1
Timo Glock 1
Sergio Perez 1
Heikki Kovalainen 1
Bruno Senna 1
Daniel Ricciardo 1
Felipe Massa 1


Drivers who have failed to finish on the lead lap, i.e. finished at least one lap behind for all races completed (DNFs excluded):
Charles Pic
Heikki Kovalainen
Narain Karthikeyan
Pedro de la Rosa
Timo Glock
Vitaly Petrov


Other statistcs available upon request :D

steveaki13
11th June 2012, 18:03
Other statistcs available upon request :D

How many times has Jenson Button got on the radio and moaned. :p

Tazio
11th June 2012, 19:32
I've got a request. Give us those stat's including DNF's

pettersolberg29
11th June 2012, 19:42
From those stats it looks like an even more impressive start to the season from Grosjean. A shame the DNFs have spoiled it otherwise he might be right up there in the championship.

schmenke
11th June 2012, 20:00
I've got a request. Give us those stat's including DNF's

I'll work on it :p :

I excluded the DNFs because a driver's potential is more evident without them. Take the example of Grosjean as mentioned above.

Firstgear
11th June 2012, 20:59
From those stats it looks like an even more impressive start to the season from Grosjean. A shame the DNFs have spoiled it otherwise he might be right up there in the championship.
If Grosjean were a baseball player, he'd be the big homerun slugger. He either hits it out of the park, or gets struck out.

GravettFan99
11th June 2012, 21:20
If Grosjean were a baseball player, he'd be the big homerun slugger. He either hits it out of the park, or gets struck out.

Exactly what I'd have to think. He has shocked with how well he is doing, my original first impression of him in F1 was quite low. As far as he has come, he's doing quite well, either retire or score a top-five result...I never expected that. :s hock:

Tazio
11th June 2012, 22:01
I'll work on it :p :

I excluded the DNFs because a driver's potential is more evident without them. Take the example of Grosjean as mentioned above.Potential is the operative word there.
If he is that good (which he may be) he would have a lower rate of attrition. I'll get back to you when the new stats are out. I have a pretty good idea who will rank at the top ;)

schmenke
11th June 2012, 22:50
Potential is the operative word there.
If he is that good (which he may be) he would have a lower rate of attrition. ...

Not necessarily, a DNF could be the result of mechanical failure, puncture, or an incident not the fault of the driver. This is why I excluded them.


... I'll get back to you when the new stats are out. I have a pretty good idea who will rank at the top

Yep, including DNFs would result in the same order as the current drivers standings :)

The other statistics I posted are pretty much meaningless if DNFs are included :mark: .

Malbec
12th June 2012, 09:15
Exactly what I'd have to think. He has shocked with how well he is doing, my original first impression of him in F1 was quite low. As far as he has come, he's doing quite well, either retire or score a top-five result...I never expected that. :s hock:

Or the Lotus is incredible, Grosjean is pretty good but Kimi is disappointing?

N4D13
12th June 2012, 10:55
I'm impressed to see Rosberg so high. He's been qualifying well this season, but, seriously, is he the best so far?

It says a lot that the best qualifier so far this year has an average grid position of 4.7. Quite telling, isn't it?

schmenke
12th June 2012, 15:41
...It says a lot that the best qualifier so far this year has an average grid position of 4.7. Quite telling, isn't it?

It is, but keep in mind that Lewis' average of 5.7 is skewed because he started 24th on the grid at the Spanish GP due to a penalty.
Had he retained pole position his average would have been 2.4.

Tazio
12th June 2012, 16:20
If you retire at the first turn in races where your car is not suited anyway than all the stats are useless. Bahrain and Canada he excelled. It is no secret that the "Artist's formerly known as Renault" are characteristically very good in this hot dry environment. So I bet Timo Glock or HK could have done the same pace If they had that car.Kimi is rusty but it doesn't show really how much. Do you understand the picture I am painting now? :crazy:

Malbec
12th June 2012, 17:32
It is, but keep in mind that Lewis' average of 5.7 is skewed because he started 24th on the grid at the Spanish GP due to a penalty.
Had he retained pole position his average would have been 2.4.

Perhaps a better indicator would be average qualifying position. There have been plenty of drivers this year receive gridplace penalties, many of them for gearbox changes which is hardly their fault.

schmenke
12th June 2012, 18:07
True. Michael Schumacher had a similar situation in Monaco.
I'll gladly compile the revised stats if someone can share a link where I can find the complete data.

Malbec
12th June 2012, 19:00
True. Michael Schumacher had a similar situation in Monaco.
I'll gladly compile the revised stats if someone can share a link where I can find the complete data.

Thanks.

Actually I find the stats very informative, especially to illustrate that there really is no dominant car or driver either in quali or the races.

jens
13th June 2012, 13:24
It is also interesting that after 7 races the championship leader has only 25 points (24 by pre-1991 system) with the old points system.

Sometimes current season is compared with 1982 as people are wondering, whether we could get as many as 11 winners over a full season. :p : Also in that season Rosberg won the WDC with only 44 points (over 16 races), which is an amazingly low score. Perhaps we won't be far from that this year. :p : Although I suspect big teams will start getting big points more consistently from now on...

Also one more comparison. WDC standings after 7 races since the new point system for top 10.

2010
1. Webber - 93
2. Button - 88
3. Hamilton - 84
4. Alonso - 79
5. Vettel - 78

2011
1. Vettel - 161
2. Button - 101
3. Webber - 94
4. Hamilton - 85
5. Alonso - 69

2012
1. Hamilton - 88
2. Alonso - 86
3. Vettel - 85
4. Webber - 79
5. Rosberg - 67

Basically the same drivers have been at the top in all three years, but interesting, how completely different has 2011 been to 2010 and 2012. Despite Vettel's dominance, other top drivers were scoring as many points as they have in other seasons, despite having no chance at the WDC itself. Hamilton has had virtually identical starts into the season on all three occasions (84/85/88 pts). And each time he has won precisely one race during the first seven as well. :)

ShiftingGears
13th June 2012, 13:36
It is also interesting that after 7 races the championship leader has only 25 points (24 by pre-1991 system) with the old points system.

Sometimes current season is compared with 1982 as people are wondering, whether we could get as many as 11 winners over a full season. :p : Also in that season Rosberg won the WDC with only 44 points (over 16 races), which is an amazingly low score. Perhaps we won't be far from that this year. :p :

It seems a hard feat to match with the general reliability of the cars being greatly improved. Despite the standings being so close, none of the top 6 have suffered a DNF yet - in contrast, in 1982 there wasn't a single driver who finished more than 5 races after the first 7 rounds. However the FISA/FOCA boycott influenced that as well.

schmenke
13th June 2012, 15:58
1982 was a horrible year with the death of both Gilles Villeneuve and Ricardo Paletti who, incidentally died on June 13th, 30 years ago today, at the Canadian GP :s

Pironi suffered a serious, and career-ending, accident putting him out of the championship race, resulting in Rosberg winning the WDC with only one race victory during the season :mark: .

Wasted Talent
14th June 2012, 12:39
It is also interesting that after 7 races the championship leader has only 25 points (24 by pre-1991 system) with the old points system.

Sometimes current season is compared with 1982 as people are wondering, whether we could get as many as 11 winners over a full season. :p : Also in that season Rosberg won the WDC with only 44 points (over 16 races), which is an amazingly low score. Perhaps we won't be far from that this year. :p : Although I suspect big teams will start getting big points more consistently from now on...

Also one more comparison. WDC standings after 7 races since the new point system for top 10.

2010
1. Webber - 93
2. Button - 88
3. Hamilton - 84
4. Alonso - 79
5. Vettel - 78

2011
1. Vettel - 161
2. Button - 101
3. Webber - 94
4. Hamilton - 85
5. Alonso - 69

2012
1. Hamilton - 88
2. Alonso - 86
3. Vettel - 85
4. Webber - 79
5. Rosberg - 67

Basically the same drivers have been at the top in all three years, but interesting, how completely different has 2011 been to 2010 and 2012. Despite Vettel's dominance, other top drivers were scoring as many points as they have in other seasons, despite having no chance at the WDC itself. Hamilton has had virtually identical starts into the season on all three occasions (84/85/88 pts). And each time he has won precisely one race during the first seven as well. :)

Excellent, shows that over a longer period the better drivers in the better cars are at the top of the rankings, but the individual races have been far more interesting than 2011 because of the current rules and tyres.

Only the Maldonado win was left-field, but he was fast in qualifying and the race and din't get a win just due to luck, just that everything fell into place that weekend for him.

WT

schmenke
17th October 2012, 23:10
Time for an update.
Stats below are up to and including the Korean GP (apologies for the poor formatting):

WDC standings as per the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 points system:
Sebastian Vettel 70
Fernando Alonso 64
Lewis Hamilton 46
Jenson Button 42
Mark Webber 42
Kimi Räikkönen 40
Nico Rosberg 22
Romain Grosjean 19
Felipe Massa 18
Sergio Perez 17
Kamui Kobayashi 10
Pastor Maldonado 10
Nico Hulkenberg 6
Michael Schumacher 5
Paul di Resta 4
Bruno Senna 1
Daniel Ricciardo -
Jerome D'Ambrosio -
Jean-Eric Vergne -
Heikki Kovalainen -
Vitaly Petrov -
Timo Glock -
Charles Pic -
Pedro de la Rosa -
Narain Karthikeyan -

Average grid position (DNQs excluded):
Sebastian Vettel 4.4
Lewis Hamilton 4.9
Fernando Alonso 6.1
Jenson Button 6.6
Mark Webber 6.7
Romain Grosjean 6.7
Kimi Raikkonen 7.9
Nico Rosberg 9.1
Michael Schumacher 9.3
Felipe Massa 10.4
Kamui Kobayashi 10.6
Paul di Resta 11.1
Pastor Maldonado 11.3
Nico Hulkenberg 12.2
Sergio Perez 12.4
Daniel Ricciardo 14.4
Bruno Senna 14.8
Jerome D’Ambrosio 15.0
Jean-Eric Vergne 16.7
Heikki Kovalainen 18.1
Vitaly Petrov 18.8
Timo Glock 20.4
Charles Pic 21.4
Pedro de la Rosa 21.7
Narain Karthikeyan 23.1

Average qualifying position (DNQs excluded):
Lewis Hamilton 3.5
Sebastian Vettel 4.8
Mark Webber 6.3
Fernando Alonso 6.4
Jenson Button 6.7
Romain Grosjean 6.9
Kimi Räikkönen 7.9
Michael Schumacher 8.3
Nico Rosberg 9.0
Pastor Maldonado 9.2
Felipe Massa 10.6
Kamui Kobayashi 10.8
Paul di Resta 11.1
Nico Hulkenberg 11.8
Sergio Perez 12.3
Daniel Ricciardo 14.5
Bruno Senna 15.1
Jerome D'Ambrosio 16.0
Jean-Eric Vergne 16.8
Heikki Kovalainen 18.7
Vitaly Petrov 19.8
Timo Glock 21.3
Charles Pic 21.8
Pedro de la Rosa 22.3
Narain Karthikeyan 23.5

Average number of positions gained/lost relative to grid position.
Calculated as the average of the difference between final race classification (DNCs excluded) and grid position (DNQs excluded).
Sergio Perez 5.9
Jean-Eric Vergne 4.8
Charles Pic 3.8
Timo Glock 3.4
Fernando Alonso 2.6
Kimi Räikkönen 2.6
Narain Karthikeyan 2.6
Vitaly Petrov 2.5
Pedro de la Rosa 2.5
Daniel Ricciardo 2.3
Michael Schumacher 2.1
Nico Hulkenberg 2.1
Bruno Senna 2.0
Jerome D'Ambrosio 2.0
Paul di Resta 1.7
Heikki Kovalainen 1.4
Felipe Massa 1.3
Nico Rosberg 0.9
Kamui Kobayashi 0.7
Mark Webber 0.2
Romain Grosjean 0.1
Sebastian Vettel -0.1
Lewis Hamilton -0.8
Jenson Button -1.1
Pastor Maldonado -1.3

Most DNFs:
Michael Schumacher 7
Romain Grosjean 6
Pastor Maldonado 6
Narain Karthikeyan 6
Kamui Kobayashi 5
Charles Pic 5
Lewis Hamilton 4
Jenson Button 4
Sergio Perez 4
Bruno Senna 4
Jean-Eric Vergne 3
Vitaly Petrov 3
Pedro de la Rosa 3
Sebastian Vettel 2
Fernando Alonso 2
Nico Rosberg 2
Nico Hulkenberg 2
Timo Glock 2
Mark Webber 1
Felipe Massa 1
Paul di Resta 1
Daniel Ricciardo 1
Heikki Kovalainen 1
Kimi Räikkönen 0
Jerome D'Ambrosio 0

Number of races failed to finish on the lead lap, i.e. driver finished at least one lap behind (DNFs excluded):
Heikki Kovalainen 13
Timo Glock 13
Pedro de la Rosa 12
Vitaly Petrov 12
Charles Pic 9
Narain Karthikeyan 9
Jean-Eric Vergne 4
Daniel Ricciardo 3
Bruno Senna 2
Felipe Massa 2
Pastor Maldonado 2
Jenson Button 1
Kamui Kobayashi 1
Mark Webber 1
Nico Hulkenberg 1
Paul di Resta 1
Romain Grosjean 1
Sergio Perez 1

dj_bytedisaster
19th October 2012, 05:05
Some things that stand out:

It's crazy just how dramatically Rosberg dropped back on average starting position. That really tell you just how appalling the development pace of Mercedes has been.
Schumacher still king of DNF's. At least he's the best at something ;)
Perez seems to be the hard charger of the lot :)

schmenke
19th October 2012, 15:18
...Perez seems to be the hard charger of the lot :)

Yep, I find that the most impressive stat :) .

That, and the fact that Raikkonen is the only driver to have started and finished every race (except of course D'Ambrosio who only competed in one race).

Bezza
22nd October 2012, 15:39
To have the WDC leader on a "old" 70 points after 16 races just shows how tight the season has been. Normally, they would be pushing 90/100 points minimum by this stage.

The 10-6-4-3-2-1 point system, for me, gives a fair comparison to seasons past.

This season reminds me of 2003. After 2002/2011 dominance of Ferrari/Red Bull - 2003/2012 is wide open, but the winner may well end of the same. Hopefully 2013 doesn't end up like 2004!!

zako85
23rd October 2012, 01:08
The interesting thing about the old 10 point system versus the new, is that the current scoring system definitely favors people who drive and finish consistently. Best example is Kimi Räikkönen. It's hard to argue against the fact that he drove very well given the capabilities of the car that he was given. The current points system reflects this. The old one does not.

F1boat
23rd October 2012, 10:51
The interesting thing about the old 10 point system versus the new, is that the current scoring system definitely favors people who drive and finish consistently. Best example is Kimi Räikkönen. It's hard to argue against the fact that he drove very well given the capabilities of the car that he was given. The current points system reflects this. The old one does not.

Kimi is really very impressive this season. For me he is the most consistent driver this season and he never whines - incredible.