WRC Wales Rally GB

[General Prim]

Anyone know if first stage will be Great Orme again?, so the same timetable from Tuesday to Sunday?
Thanks

[MJW]

No Great Orme this year. Change of FIA rules about a completely tarmac stage in a gravel leg bot allowed anymore. As great orme was stage 1 of leg one with the rest of the stages in that leg on forest roads it is no longer allowed.

[Mirek]

Sometimes the rules are strange.

[J4MIE]

Does this also affect super specials? What about Portugal?

[AndyRAC]

No Great Orme this year. Change of FIA rules about a completely tarmac stage in a gravel leg bot allowed anymore. As great orme was stage 1 of leg one with the rest of the stages in that leg on forest roads it is no longer allowed.

Obviously for safety reasons.... ;)

[MartijnS]

Doesnt affect super specials i believe..

[rallyfiend]

Not quite true.

Anything can happen in terms of tarmac stage such as Great Orme, you just have to get a waiver from the FIA.

[General Prim]

about 5 months to go and no news?

[MJW]

Details out soon. (very soon:-) )

[Fly_Half]

Autosport has the basic route outline for Rally GB this year, which it claims the Manufacturers are happy with:

Day 1
Dyfnant
Gartheiniog
Hafren/Sweet Lamb (Combined Stage as run on the British Historic Champ)
Myherin

Day 2
Crychan
Halfway
Epynt
Celtic Manor SuperSpecial (Night)

Day 3
Port Talbot (Margam)
Rheola
Walter's Arena (Power Stage)

Should be interesting...

[MartijnS]

Shakedown on wednesday..
Don't really get why though..they should have enough time to run the QS on thursday morning, before the ceremonial start in Llandudno at night.

[AndyRAC]

Hmm, a shame the North Wales stages have been dropped. I think the organisers hands were forced, sadly. And as for the Manufacturers being happy, well that means nothing, especially as they moaned about last years event, and about Builth Wells. They are completely out of touch.

However, Celtic Manor, venue of last years Wales Ryder Cup, is a welcome addition, though I'm not sure about the Power stage; designed for LiveTV....yet none this year have been.

[rallyfiend]

Hmm, a shame the North Wales stages have been dropped. I think the organisers hands were forced, sadly. And as for the Manufacturers being happy, well that means nothing, especially as they moaned about last years event, and about Builth Wells. They are completely out of touch.

However, Celtic Manor, venue of last years Wales Ryder Cup, is a welcome addition, though I'm not sure about the Power stage; designed for LiveTV....yet none this year have been.

Seems a waste to head all the way to North Wales just for a ceremonial start. Great Orme gave some great pictures last year (and Ogier's brain fade). It's a long way back to the Service park! I guess that was the only way to lever some money out of the Welsh Government, even if it is less. Got to take what's offered!

Portugal Power Stage was done Live, just only for domestic TV, not international.

[MJW]

I would thought that Ralio will cover the power stage. (UK audience only)

[rallyfiend]

I would thought that Ralio will cover the power stage. (UK audience only)

Would they have the budget for something like that?!

[Back-N-Black]

I liked the that area of North Wales, Llandudno reminded me of the small beach towns around here in Florida. The Conwy Castle looked awesome at night. I enjoyed spectating the Great Orme stage and meeting some of the other spectators. The weather was perfect for that stage. It's well worth heading up there, at least once but like others have mentioned, it is a long way to go just for the ceremonial start.

[MJW]

Would they have the budget for something like that?!
I would think so, Ralio usually push the boat out for Rally GB. Its not as if its a long stage, power stage that is. BBC Wales did the very first rallysprint in 1975 at Esgair Dafydd, and if they could film a 3 mile stage back in 1975 when TV camera were huge imaging what can be done today with GoPro's etc.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The 2012 Wales Rally GB will take place from 13-16 September and will be the 10th round of the 2012 FIA World Rally Championship.

As one of the UK's leading sporting events, Wales Rally GB boasts an unrivalled history and legacy attracting the world's elite rally drivers who will descend on Wales for this legendary sporting encounter at this earlier time of year.

From the northern coastline of Conwy to the forests of mid-Wales and the city of Cardiff, stunning locations throughout Wales will provide a breath-taking backdrop to this year's Wales Rally GB.

An opening ceremony will take place on Thursday, 13th September 2012, with competitive mileage beginning on Friday, 14th September. Rally cars and their drivers will weave their way south on stages taking place Friday, Saturday and Sunday, with the winner being crowned on Sunday, 16th September 2012.

Detailed route information as well as ticketing information including how and where to buy tickets and delivery of tickets etc will be announced in mid-Spring.

[AndyRAC]

Don't you just love PR speak.... ;)

[dyfi1]

Tweet, Max Rally@maxrally Sunderland tipped for Rally GB base. Anyone else heard more?

[MartijnS]

For next year apparently.

[Allyc85]

This was also reported in Autosport.

Change might be good for the event, but as someone from an area with so little motorsport il be pissed off with having go to even further to watch the WRC!

[dyfi1]

For next year apparently.

If this information turns out to be accurate then I for one will look forward to it. The last time I spectated NetworkQ/ Rally GB in the north of England was a very icy 1996 and I absolutely loved it. I`ve watched more Rally GB`s than I care to remember, but that event is indelibly stamped in my memory. Wauchope, Kershope, Pundershaw, Chirdonhead, Broomylinn, Hamsterley, Grizedale.... some of the fantastic stages available to inject freshness into the event. Heh, just typing some of those stage names out has got me grinning from ear to ear in eager anticipation. Who else thinks that a move north would be good?

[dyfi1]

This was also reported in Autosport.

Change might be good for the event, but as someone from an area with so little motorsport il be pissed off with having go to even further to watch the WRC!

I live in Wiltshire these days, so it`ll be a trek for me too.... but I know I`ll do it willingly ;)

[Allyc85]

Oh I will do it, but being british il moan like buggery about it :laugh:

[J4MIE]

Sunderland!! :eek:

I think this would be great :up:

[Viridian Black]

If true I would hope they use some of the Dalby forest stages :up:

[Mintexmemory]

Oh I will do it, but being british il moan like buggery about it :laugh:

Well if it doesn't clash with Goodwood Revival in 13 we could share costs from London onwards ;-)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It would be great to have Rally GB in somewhere other than Wales - they have had it for far too long.

There are so many excellent stages in N.England and tons of rally fans in the area from the RAC days.

We deserve it up here and there are ideal bases in Chester, Harrogate, Carlisle and the NE.

[AndyRAC]

Well if it doesn't clash with Goodwood Revival in 13 we could share costs from London onwards ;-)

The sad thing for Rallying in the UK is that the Revival will likely get better media coverage than our round of the WRC. Hopefully, next year it will return to the end of November. September is the wrong month for the event.

[Mintexmemory]

The sad thing for Rallying in the UK is that the Revival will likely get better media coverage than our round of the WRC. Hopefully, next year it will return to the end of November. September is the wrong month for the event.

Couldn't agree more. Novemberin a British Forest is a unique challenge, September will be Finland -lite. As an all round petrol head I'll get far more bang for my buck from the Revival than the expense of trolling all over the principality. I will probably only do shakedown this year.

[Allyc85]

My inconsiderate boss* is off the week of Rally GB so il be doing Friday evening service and Saturday/Sunday again this year.






*if you are reading this Pete you know im joking, dont sack me :laugh:

[makinen_fan]

official route is comfirmed

Rally GB confirms 2012 route - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99495)

[jbmarcus21]

Program road is now out Programme du Rallye Wrc de Grande-Bretagne 2012 (http://planetemarcus.free.fr/grandebretagne12.htm)

[Fly_Half]

the expense of trolling all over the principality. I will probably only do shakedown this year.

Honestly Phil, you're like a bloody stuck record when it comes to Rally GB!

It's a far more compact route this year, it's a 2hr drive at the very worst to get from Sweet Lamb on Day 1 to Rheola on Day 3, so very little travelling involved in the grand scheme of things.

[Josti]

Really unimpressive route if you ask me. Let alone that meaningless September date.

[Mintexmemory]

Great if you happen to be in Neath to start, Rhod. More compact than last year, true. But would still be 700 miles of petrol for me if I don't sleep in the car for 5 days. All I'm saying is 140 miles round trip and about £40 (after some dealing) for my ticket for 10 hours non-stop entertainment at Goodwood is a no-brainer. See you at Walter's for shakedown? For the record I did all of last year's route from Shakedown to Cardiff Castle finish.

[wrcmiff]

Hey.

I'm thinking about attending Rally GB this year and wondered if anyone has any advice on the best places to attend, any must see parts. I've been to rally cyprus a few years ago when i lived there so know how it all works and followed wrc for a few years, but never been to GB and fancied going.

Thanks

Andrew

[MJW]

In all honesty its too early to give good advice this far away from the rally without seeing the exact stage layout (but I dont expect too much change from previous). There are good parts in Dyfnant forest, Sweet Lamb is usually good but a little artificial like Bunnings was. Myherin pikes peak is a very fast stage named after the US hillclimb because of similarities - wide road open hairpins, then on saturday it depends again on which layout they use but I think the route 60 element of the Halfway stage is up there with the best in the world, a few years ago J-M came up the road from the abandaned tank type thing (for those who know the location) with only 2 wheels at the edge of the road, with over 1/2 the car width dangling over freash air for what seemed like 10 metres - true that was the line and J-M had the b**ls to take it. Having said that in 2010 I saw Loeb do excatly the same but going downhill, speed was mindboggling.
Sunday, power stage I suppose.

[wrcmiff]

Cheers for the info. Am i right in thinking that its pretty much a case of chose a one stage per day and hang out on that stage or can you realistically move between stages, probably not with the timing and car parks being busy right?

[AndyRAC]

Cheers for the info. Am i right in thinking that its pretty much a case of chose a one stage per day and hang out on that stage or can you realistically move between stages, probably not with the timing and car parks being busy right?

Yes, pick your stage and stay there for the day. It's not worth trying to move.

[Allyc85]

Halfway and Crychan you get 2 stages for the price of 1 if you use the right car park and is worth a look :)

[Priorat]

Cheers for the info. Am i right in thinking that its pretty much a case of chose a one stage per day and hang out on that stage or can you realistically move between stages, probably not with the timing and car parks being busy right?

Seeing the timetable you can easily change stages as there is a gap of 5 or 6 hours between both runs, for instance: For first day go early to Dyfnant or Myherin for the first run and then go to Sweet Lamb for the second, where is easy to reach and park. Instead of staying in front of the watersplash, walk a little up to the hills in opposite direction to the stage. From there you can see a piece of real stage and all the action down in the artificial arena (weather permitting).
For second day it is worth going and staying in Dixies for the whole day as there is a lot of spots to choose. You can even see both Crychan and Halfway from the same place if it is like last year.
For third day you can do Port Talbot or Rehola and then move to the Power Stage.

[AndyRAC]

Beware on the Friday.....there will be traffic chaos!!! It's stage 6 of the Tour of Britain cycle race from Welshpool - Caerphilly....with rolling road closures. I actually went to this last year - cycling is now a very popular sport in the UK....much more than Rallying, and with a World Champion likely to be riding...it will bring out the fans.
Another reason why RallyGB should not have moved to September......

[vino_93]

When will the entry list be published ?

[Brother John]

I have 3 threads about the Wales Rally merged in this one!

[rallyfiend]

I have 3 threads about the Wales Rally merged in this one!

Allegedly only 30 or so cars entered for the event.

Maybe this event has been unnaturally propped up by being the last event on the calendar for so many years?

[MJW]

Allegedly only 30 or so cars entered for the event.

Maybe this event has been unnaturally propped up by being the last event on the calendar for so many years?
No PCWRC or Academy support this year. Plus it is quite well known that the sponsor doesnt like September date. It prefers the last round of the championship in November date, Sept date was when the rally was allegedly moving to Yorkshire for this Sept. When that sponsor failed to materislise it was back to Welsh Government who stepping in but had to take the Sept calendar slot. It certainly doesnt inspire a new sponsor for 2013, and I wonder if Welsh Govt bother continue to suport it if it has a 30 car entry.

[Mirek]

Just out of curiosity. Number of entrances in 2012 WRC, IRC and ERC events to date. Only main event entries (not counted separate entry fields). Maybe not absolutely correct but for overall view good enough I think.

1. Barum rally 110
2. Ypres Rally 99
3. Monte Carlo 86
4. Finland 85
5. Germany 68
6. Jaenner 67
7. Mille Miglia 58
8. Portugal 57
9. Romania 57
10. Acropolis 55
11. Sweden 54
12. Bosphorus 51
13. Croatia 48
14. Tour de Corse 48
15. Argentina 47
16-17. New Zealand 44
16-17. Targa Florio 44
18-19. Acores 39
18-19. Ireland 39
20. Madeira 38
21. Bulgaria (ERC event) 33
22. Canarias 31
23. Mexico 30

[Gregor-y]

Is that the number of cars registered for series points or the total number of cars in each rally? I'm thinking the former and it would be interesting to compare total entries, too.

[pucky54]

Just out of curiosity. Number of entrances in 2012 WRC, IRC and ERC events to date. Only main event entries (not counted separate entry fields). Maybe not absolutely correct but for overall view good enough I think.

1. Barum rally 110
2. Ypres Rally 99
3. Monte Carlo 86
4. Finland 85
5. Germany 68
6. Jaenner 67
7. Mille Miglia 58
8. Portugal 57
9. Romania 57
10. Acropolis 55
11. Sweden 54
12. Bosphorus 51
13. Croatia 48
14. Tour de Corse 48
15. Argentina 47
16-17. New Zealand 44
16-17. Targa Florio 44
18-19. Acores 39
18-19. Ireland 39
20. Madeira 38
21. Bulgaria (ERC event) 33
22. Canarias 31
23. Mexico 30

San Marino 34 was missing

[Mirek]

Is that the number of cars registered for series points or the total number of cars in each rally? I'm thinking the former and it would be interesting to compare total entries, too.

Total number except for example a national event held on same stages in same time but having separate classification and doing only half of the competitive distance.

It has no meaning to compare on registration basis. There is no registration for overall classification in neither one of the series. Registrations are needed only in special cases like the manufacturer/team trophies or SWRC, PWRC, Academy in WRC events. But for example in the ERC there are now no registration at all. IRC has mandatory registrations only for manufacturers.

[MJW]

Does it really matter if its only 30 cars, if the quality is good?

[Josti]

Does it really matter if its only 30 cars, if the quality is good?

It certaintly doesn´t make it look like it´s interesting to compete in. This should be a rally amateurs want to drive (like Monte Carlo).

[Mirek]

Does it really matter if its only 30 cars, if the quality is good?

There are many points of view. In a reasonable part of them it matters.

[rallyfiend]

No PCWRC or Academy support this year. Plus it is quite well known that the sponsor doesnt like September date. It prefers the last round of the championship in November date, Sept date was when the rally was allegedly moving to Yorkshire for this Sept. When that sponsor failed to materislise it was back to Welsh Government who stepping in but had to take the Sept calendar slot. It certainly doesnt inspire a new sponsor for 2013, and I wonder if Welsh Govt bother continue to suport it if it has a 30 car entry.

I wonder if the FIA's decision to not give this event the Academy or PWRC was another push to 'help' the event move from Wales, as has been stated was their desire?

[makinen_fan]

that's sad to hear, just 30 cars. and on top of that we have to spend 130 GBP (~150EUR) for the 3 day tickets to watch less than an hour of action in each SS...

[AndyRAC]

that's sad to hear, just 30 cars. and on top of that we have to spend 130 GBP (~150EUR) for the 3 day tickets to watch less than an hour of action in each SS...

Simple. Don't pay the ridiculous prices. It's not as if the event is a raging success...If it was £45-50 for a Rally pass...fair enough. £130 is profiteering.

[BDunnell]

Does it really matter if its only 30 cars, if the quality is good?

I think it does matter, because it's yet another step away from how the event used to be, and that is to be castigated. In any case, I don't think any WRC event at the moment can boast a particularly high-quality entry. All are much of a muchness, and not really worth getting excited about.

[AndyRAC]

People need to stop connecting the current RallyGB with the old RAC Rally.......apart from the Trophy, it has nothing in common.

[BDunnell]

People need to stop connecting the current RallyGB with the old RAC Rally.......apart from the Trophy, it has nothing in common.

Yes, very true. I suppose my thought is that it's still the British round of the WRC, and thus there exists a strong connection.

[AndyRAC]

Yes, true, and they do like to ‘trade’ on the fact of it’s history, etc While making out it’s still as good and still as popular, etc

And whilst slightly different – the French WRC round is now in Alsace...rather than Tour de Corse.

[Mintexmemory]

that's sad to hear, just 30 cars. and on top of that we have to spend 130 GBP (~150EUR) for the 3 day tickets to watch less than an hour of action in each SS...

Ok you can do the whole event cheaper than £130 provided you don't want to go to service on the same day as a stage visit. However my dilemma was: spend money on the petrol to attend (ca.£200) plus entry fees /accomodation / just go to shakedown (petrol £80) and then go to Goodwood Revival at the w/e / just do Goodwood (the racing and atmosphere are amazing). After a lot of thought and research I came to the conclusion that I'd rather see the Goodwood event and that it wasn't worth the time and expense to go to shakedown which offers less value than last year's Builth Wells day. So for £126 each my lady and I are going to Catalunya for the whole of Rally Espana - this includes flights, accomodation, hire car and airport travel in England. Only petrol and food to buy in Spain. Petrol is much less than many events because the route is so compact and Carrefour Reus is great for supplies. No Brainer for my WRC12 fix

[ian123]

Hi,I'm pretty new on here and was wondering if anybody has been to wrc Portugal ,was thinking of taking the 3 brothers over who haven't seen a wrc rally

[MJW]

Hi,I'm pretty new on here and was wondering if anybody has been to wrc Portugal ,was thinking of taking the 3 brothers over who haven't seen a wrc rally
Hotels for Rally Portugal are expensive.

[makinen_fan]

Ok you can do the whole event cheaper than £130 provided you don't want to go to service on the same day as a stage visit. However my dilemma was: spend money on the petrol to attend (ca.£200) plus entry fees /accomodation / just go to shakedown (petrol £80) and then go to Goodwood Revival at the w/e / just do Goodwood (the racing and atmosphere are amazing). After a lot of thought and research I came to the conclusion that I'd rather see the Goodwood event and that it wasn't worth the time and expense to go to shakedown which offers less value than last year's Builth Wells day. So for £126 each my lady and I are going to Catalunya for the whole of Rally Espana - this includes flights, accomodation, hire car and airport travel in England. Only petrol and food to buy in Spain. Petrol is much less than many events because the route is so compact and Carrefour Reus is great for supplies. No Brainer for my WRC12 fix

i was thinking of that option as well but I hate asphalt rally. if it was 3 days of gravel then yes. anyway my bro is visiting me in London from Cyprus to go to Wales. It's like our annual tradition for the last 5 years now. I wished they could include something different in that route. five years it is identical, only last year was a bit more 'interesting'

[ian123]

Thanks for that,we were lucky enough to get a cheap apartment

[Priorat]

Ok you can do the whole event cheaper than £130 provided you don't want to go to service on the same day as a stage visit. However my dilemma was: spend money on the petrol to attend (ca.£200) plus entry fees /accomodation / just go to shakedown (petrol £80) and then go to Goodwood Revival at the w/e / just do Goodwood (the racing and atmosphere are amazing). After a lot of thought and research I came to the conclusion that I'd rather see the Goodwood event and that it wasn't worth the time and expense to go to shakedown which offers less value than last year's Builth Wells day. So for £126 each my lady and I are going to Catalunya for the whole of Rally Espana - this includes flights, accomodation, hire car and airport travel in England. Only petrol and food to buy in Spain. Petrol is much less than many events because the route is so compact and Carrefour Reus is great for supplies. No Brainer for my WRC12 fix

Your reasoning may be right but you forget a little detail: Just one stage in Wales is worthier to watch than the whole rally Catalunya.

[Priorat]

Would you still think the same if they moved the stages more North again (Lloret)?

There are also rally roads in the area where it is now. The problem is that the organisation seems to want these kind of motorways be the distinctive element of the rally. I'm talking about Saturday and Sunday of course. Friday on gravel is not that bad.

[Mintexmemory]

Your reasoning may be right but you forget a little detail: Just one stage in Wales is worthier to watch than the whole rally Catalunya.

Well P, I have to say that the spectator points I found at Montmell, El Priorat and Santa Marina in 2009 were fine, interesting bends with good examples of slow and fast sections and different driver styles. Going to do Terra Alta, Pessells and Salou on day 1, El Priorat again on day 2 but at a different spot (Bisbal de Falset) from 2009, Colldejou on Santa Marina Stage on day 3. That and a Sat evening stroll along the front at Cambrils for a seafood dinner makes it an excellent bang for my buck (imvho). Unless it rains hard then Wales in September is likely to be no different to tarmac, only dustier!! Links below to my 2009 Spain sets
Rally Catalunya 2009 (2) - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/sets/72157622462371765/)
Rally Catalunya 2009 (3) - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/sets/72157622551119596/)
Rally Catalunya 2009 (1) - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/sets/72157622783787455/)

Teixata was great for shakedown, not sure about how the flat sd stage at Salou will be

[Priorat]

Well Mintex, you are lucky if you can enjoy tarmac in Catalunya as much as gravel stages.

Here my spots in Wales and Catalunya 2011:
ralliaire: novembre 2011 (http://ralliaire.blogspot.com.es/2011_11_01_archive.html)
ralliaire: Ral·li Catalunya Costa Daurada 2011 (http://ralliaire.blogspot.com.es/2011/10/ralli-catalunya-costa-daurada-2011_24.html)

[makinen_fan]

Well Mintex, you are lucky if you can enjoy tarmac in Catalunya as much as gravel stages.

Here my spots in Wales and Catalunya 2011:
ralliaire: novembre 2011 (http://ralliaire.blogspot.com.es/2011_11_01_archive.html)
ralliaire: Ral·li Catalunya Costa Daurada 2011 (http://ralliaire.blogspot.com.es/2011/10/ralli-catalunya-costa-daurada-2011_24.html)


if its not gravel/muddy its not a real rally for me. i was SO bored last year in Great Orme stage, even when they used gravel tyres. nice pics to get me in the mood! thanks

[Allyc85]

So, so disappointed to hear such a piss poor entry, proof once again that the whole event needs a restructure. :(

I'm sure watching the top boys will as always be amazing, but it does make you wonder if all the cost and waiting around will be worth it if you still wont be able to get from stage to stage.

[Fly_Half]

Unless it rains hard then Wales in September is likely to be no different to tarmac, only dustier!!


How on earth do you work that one out Phil? The tarmac in Catalunya is like watching paint dry, and absolutely no comparison with GB in the wet or dry.

If it's dry, then it'll be like this:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6025/5975306054_769c026191.jpg

If it's wet, like this:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5242/5241129619_11a04ab623.jpg

If you enjoy motorway tarmac as much as gravel, then fair play to you!

[EightGear]

Only 13 World Rally Cars entered...

[makinen_fan]

is the final entry released?

[EightGear]

is the final entry released?


It's what Autosport Magazine is reporting in their issue today.

[pantealex]

Only 13 World Rally Cars entered...
FIA.com has 11 manufacturer entries
so only 2 more
Wilson and Ketomaa? Prokop? Van Merks sr.?

[tolis]

Wilson and Prokop most probably

[Bruce D]

We've had it confirmed locally that Jan Habig from South Africa will be doing this event in a Fiesta WRC entered by MSport. Not sure if that counts as one of the 11 or one of the additional 2.

[Bartolbia84]

We've had it confirmed locally that Jan Habig from South Africa will be doing this event in a Fiesta WRC entered by MSport. Not sure if that counts as one of the 11 or one of the additional 2.

I think being in the 11 team with M-Sport. Do you know by any chance if you run other races during the season?

[tolis]

I think being in the 11 team with M-Sport. Do you know by any chance if you run other races during the season?

eWRC-results.com - profile Jan Habig (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=3121&t=Jan-Habig)

[Brynmor Pierce]

Ok so here's who's entered:

DS3 WRC: Loeb,Hirvonen,Al-Attiyah
Fiesta WRC: Latvala,Solberg,Ostberg,Tanak,Novikov,Wilson,Habig ,Prokop
Mini JCW: Atkinson,Nobre

Skoda/Vw: Ogier,Abbring

Proton: Andersson,Cave

Others
Breen Fiesta S2000
Paddon Fabia S2000
Oleksowicz Fiesta S2000
Rajhi Fiesta RRC
Fisher Fiesta S2000
Kruuda Fiesta S2000
Bresolin Fiesta RRC
Burri 207 S2000
Arzeno DS3 RS
Chardonnet DS3 RS
Taylor DS3 RS
Bertelli Impreza WRX
Brokkart yaris

So there you go, i'm fairly local and i'm giving it a miss...I may venture to Llandudno on Thursday evening but that will be it and cancelled my day off for Friday. It's a very sad entry list to me...

[Mintexmemory]

How on earth do you work that one out Phil? The tarmac in Catalunya is like watching paint dry, and absolutely no comparison with GB in the wet or dry.

If it's dry, then it'll be like this:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6025/5975306054_769c026191.jpg

If it's wet, like this:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5242/5241129619_11a04ab623.jpg

If you enjoy motorway tarmac as much as gravel, then fair play to you!
forest
Great shots Rhod, I do like tarmac. Catalunya isn't all 'Motorway' If I had forests on my doorstep I would perhaps feel differently. However I grew up watching cicuit racing and can appreciate the skill required on tarmac by the top WRC guys. Better not be bloody wet in September as my daughter is getting married the week after WRGB!!

[tfp]

Ok so here's who's entered:

DS3 WRC: Loeb,Hirvonen,Al-Attiyah
Fiesta WRC: Latvala,Solberg,Ostberg,Tanak,Novikov,Wilson,Habig ,Prokop
Mini JCW: Atkinson,Nobre

Skoda/Vw: Ogier,Abbring

Proton: Andersson,Cave

Others
Breen Fiesta S2000
Paddon Fabia S2000
Oleksowicz Fiesta S2000
Rajhi Fiesta RRC
Fisher Fiesta S2000
Kruuda Fiesta S2000
Bresolin Fiesta RRC
Burri 207 S2000
Arzeno DS3 RS
Chardonnet DS3 RS
Taylor DS3 RS
Bertelli Impreza WRX
Brokkart yaris

So there you go, i'm fairly local and i'm giving it a miss...I may venture to Llandudno on Thursday evening but that will be it and cancelled my day off for Friday. It's a very sad entry list to me...

No Mikkelson?

[AndyRAC]

13 WRCars.....Hmmm, not sure what to say. I've read on some forums that people are unsure about going/ marshalling. If it was £10 for a stage, then I'd more than likely go. I've only missed 1 in the last 20 years....


I think a radical overhaul is needed.

[logic]

I am going this year, also heard you have to pay by stage is this true?

[Viking]

No Mikkelson?

Mikkelsen? ;) collides with Yalta Rally (IRC) methinks.

[Bruce D]

I think being in the 11 team with M-Sport. Do you know by any chance if you run other races during the season?

I honestly don't understand the question. :s He has done the RAC twice before, finishing 8th in 1994 despite hitting a spectator and again in 1998 in a F2 Golf. I'm told he was given a S2000 ride but asked to pay the difference to upgrade it to a WRC spec for the event and have his own sponsors on it. So the car will run in Basil Read colours.

[Bartolbia84]

I honestly don't understand the question. :s He has done the RAC twice before, finishing 8th in 1994 despite hitting a spectator and again in 1998 in a F2 Golf. I'm told he was given a S2000 ride but asked to pay the difference to upgrade it to a WRC spec for the event and have his own sponsors on it. So the car will run in Basil Read colours.

I'm sorry ... I expressed myself badly I! Wondering if you run the other remaining races of the WRC this season, I'm just in Wales!

[Bruce D]

Oh ok, he will just run Wales that I know of. I'm not part of his team so I don't know the full details.

[Mirek]

Prokop said that despite his car burned completely today he will most likely find a way to start in Wales.

[tolis]

Ok so here's who's entered:

DS3 WRC: Loeb,Hirvonen,Al-Attiyah
Fiesta WRC: Latvala,Solberg,Ostberg,Tanak,Novikov,Wilson,Habig ,Prokop
Mini JCW: Atkinson,Nobre

Skoda/Vw: Ogier,Abbring

Proton: Andersson,Cave

Others
Breen Fiesta S2000
Paddon Fabia S2000
Oleksowicz Fiesta S2000
Rajhi Fiesta RRC
Fisher Fiesta S2000
Kruuda Fiesta S2000
Bresolin Fiesta RRC
Burri 207 S2000
Arzeno DS3 RS
Chardonnet DS3 RS
Taylor DS3 RS
Bertelli Impreza WRX
Brokkart yaris

So there you go, i'm fairly local and i'm giving it a miss...I may venture to Llandudno on Thursday evening but that will be it and cancelled my day off for Friday. It's a very sad entry list to me...

You have forgotten Neuville!

[pucky54]

Prokop said that despite his car burned completely today he will most likely find a way to start in Wales.

I thought he has a tarmac and a gravel car?!?!

[Mirek]

Yes, he has. You are right.

[makinen_fan]

You have forgotten Neuville!

Will Neuville be there? I thought he is doing all the rounds

[Wim_Impreza]

Will Neuville be there? I thought he is doing all the rounds

Neuville is doing also all the remaining WRC rounds this year.

[Brynmor Pierce]

You have forgotten Neuville!

I've not forgotten anyone, the list above is the list of entries recevied published in Motorsport News on Wednesday 22nd....he's not on the list...so is he a late entry then????

[wrc1600]

13 WRCars.....Hmmm, not sure what to say. I've read on some forums that people are unsure about going/ marshalling. If it was £10 for a stage, then I'd more than likely go. I've only missed 1 in the last 20 years....


I think a radical overhaul is needed.
I pointed out a while ago that something wrong is going on with Wales Rally, stages with no access to spectators, overpriced passes, stupid locations for spectator zones and so on. Some one lost the plot.

[tolis]

I've not forgotten anyone, the list above is the list of entries recevied published in Motorsport News on Wednesday 22nd....he's not on the list...so is he a late entry then????

Wales Rally GB - Entries (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2012/Pages/wrc-entries-gbr.aspx)

[Juha_Koo]

I don't have anything to comment about Wales Rally, but generally speaking stages with no access to spectators (and maybe someone even marshalling it to be so?!) is beyond utterly stupid. The f*ck? :|

[tfp]

Mikkelsen? ;) collides with Yalta Rally (IRC) methinks.

Arrrrs....One day I will learn to spell his name correct ;)

Lets hope Mikkelsen is a full time contender next year :cool:

[Fly_Half]

I don't have anything to comment about Wales Rally, but generally speaking stages with no access to spectators (and maybe someone even marshalling it to be so?!) is beyond utterly stupid. The f*ck? :|

Which stage are you referring to? As far as I can see, every stage is accessible to spectators:

Dyfnant: Car Parks B & C
Hafren/SL: Car Parks D & E
Myherin: Car Park F

Crychan: Car Parks G & H
Epynt: Car Park I
Halfway: Car Parks J & K
Celtic Manor: Car Park L

Port Talbot: Car Park M
Rheola: Car Park N
Walters Arena: Car Park O

[makinen_fan]

Which stage are you referring to? As far as I can see, every stage is accessible to spectators.

two years ago it was the monument stage if i am not mistaken. entry just for journalist. what's the point of running such stage

[Fly_Half]

two years ago it was the monument stage if i am not mistaken. entry just for journalist. what's the point of running such stage

Yes I know that, but that was TWO YEARS AGO. And the reason Monument was off limits that year is because the Army were in the area and the access road into the stage is very narrow, making parking difficult.

[makinen_fan]

Yes I know that, but that was TWO YEARS AGO. And the reason Monument was off limits that year is because the Army were in the area and the access road into the stage is very narrow, making parking difficult.

I didnt know the reason back then, but it didnt make sense to me. Rallying should be for the spectators and not just the media which anyway does not have such a big coverage...

[mousti]

Yes I know that, but that was TWO YEARS AGO. And the reason Monument was off limits that year is because the Army were in the area and the access road into the stage is very narrow, making parking difficult.

True we were marshalls back then there at the jump where North One was filming also.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I didnt know the reason back then, but it didnt make sense to me. Rallying should be for the spectators and not just the media which anyway does not have such a big coverage...
Did you not read that post?

Normally, the Monument stage would have had spectator access. But because the Army was in the area, it was closed to spectators because there would not have been enough parking. Now, they probably could have let spectators in and closed it to the media, but there are far more spectators than media crews, so there still would not have been enough parking.

I was at Rally Australia a few years ago, and there was no spectator access to the Beraking stage. Beraking was a fantastic piece of road, but the problem was that there was only one way in and one way out - the stage itself. All of the roads that led off junctions literally went nowhere; Beraking was just one big loop, and there was no way the spectators could get in, park and get out and still allow the rally traffic through.

Yes, spectators should have as much access as possible to stages. But sometimes, it's not possible.

[wrc1600]

Did you not read that post?

Normally, the Monument stage would have had spectator access. But because the Army was in the area, it was closed to spectators because there would not have been enough parking. Now, they probably could have let spectators in and closed it to the media, but there are far more spectators than media crews, so there still would not have been enough parking.



Yes, spectators should have as much access as possible to stages. But sometimes, it's not possible.

So what is/was the point of runnig that kind of stage anyway?

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Stages aren't run solely to benefit spectators.

[stefanvv]

Stages aren't run solely to benefit spectators.

If there is no promoter (at least we can watch it at home, anyway the Rally should be watched in the forest), what exactly is the purpose of this stage?

Or WRC is not about spectators?

[Prisoner Monkeys]

In the absence of a promoter, yes it can be a problem. However, this year is an extreme circumstance; once the series has a full-time promoter again, the problem will fix itself.

Arguably, the focus on giving spectators what they want has led to the decline of the WRC in recent years. There was once a time when rallies would be contested over twenty-four individual stages; now, we're lucky if it's ten stages run twice over and four super-specials. Similarly the SuperRally/Rally2 regulations have taken a lot out of the sport because there are no longer stakes to play for: if a driver retires, he can rejoin the next day, albeit with a time penalty.

Spectators should of course have access to stages. If, however - as was the case in Wales a few years ago - spectator access is not feasible for a single stage, then it should not be a problem. I was out at the Helena stages in Perth a few years ago, and there were five stages being run on the final day, but only four had spectator access. The reason for this was because two of the stages (that were being run twice) were very close together, and the third stage (which was only being run once) was some distance away. Given the tight time schedule for the final day of the rally, the promoters realised that if spectators tried to make it out to the third stage, they might not get back to the Helenas for the final pass through. So they closed the third stage to give the spectators the greatest opportunity to see the cars in action.

[makinen_fan]

In the absence of a promoter, yes it can be a problem. However, this year is an extreme circumstance; once the series has a full-time promoter again, the problem will fix itself.

Back then there was a 'promoter' but still stages should be accessible for fans to watch. I remember seeing footage of that stage, completely empty from people though, not a good promotions in my mind.


Arguably, the focus on giving spectators what they want has led to the decline of the WRC in recent years. There was once a time when rallies would be contested over twenty-four individual stages; now, we're lucky if it's ten stages run twice over and four super-specials. Similarly the SuperRally/Rally2 regulations have taken a lot out of the sport because there are no longer stakes to play for: if a driver retires, he can rejoin the next day, albeit with a time penalty.

I really cant see how WRC is more focus for spectators and how that led to the declined of WRC. You are talkind no sense. The cloverleaf format introduced by Richards was to aid TV promotion... that help teams and (supposedly) costs, and not to provide spectators with better action
If you prefer to have just 10 stages running twice than 25-30 different stages (that are arranged in spectator friendly way) then you better stick to circuit racing and watch


Spectators should of course have access to stages. If, however - as was the case in Wales a few years ago - spectator access is not feasible for a single stage, then it should not be a problem. I was out at the Helena stages in Perth a few years ago, and there were five stages being run on the final day, but only four had spectator access. The reason for this was because two of the stages (that were being run twice) were very close together, and the third stage (which was only being run once) was some distance away. Given the tight time schedule for the final day of the rally, the promoters realised that if spectators tried to make it out to the third stage, they might not get back to the Helenas for the final pass through. So they closed the third stage to give the spectators the greatest opportunity to see the cars in action.

And also what i really dislike in Wales rally is that you just have the options to go to the designated spectators areas which are full of mashals making u stand in sh**ty places. And why do the try to control the crowds so much. Two years ago on Saturday I was in Radnor, and the spectator guide proposed not to move between stage due to traffic fears etc. Although i did it to Chrychan and even managed to watch the Historics... Waiting between stages in the same spot is a no brainer for me. Getting bored as hell and not enjoyable at all.

Does the Rally GB organisers take the right decisions for spectator? Thats a big NO from me, sorry but there are a LOT of elements that need to be improved. Also try to defend them for the gap day between shakedown and 1st Leg?

[Prisoner Monkeys]

And why do the try to control the crowds so much.
Because when you get spectators doing as they please, some idiot will stand somewhere that isn't safe and the world will watch on in horror as a speeding rally car crashes into a throng of people, killing most of them.

But hey, you know better than the safety marshalls.

[rallyfiend]

Rally GB has been on a steady decline for many years regardless of the situation regarding the WRC promoter.

After all, North One Sport was only a full promoter since the start of 2010.

Many other events on the WRC calendar this year have been able to implement Live TV and other exposure / marketing initiatives this year without a WRc promoter in place (Mexico, Portugal, Argentina, New Zealand, Finland, the rumoured full live coverage of France), so what's GB's excuse? Sure, a lot of these weren't international coverage, but still...

With crap like the cars driving 4 hours north to just do a likely awful ceremonial start, who can blame competitors for not turning up?

[Brynmor Pierce]

Wales Rally GB - Entries (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2012/Pages/wrc-entries-gbr.aspx)

Can't work out whether you're being deliberately obtuse or what...my list was as published in Motrosport News...NOT the list published on FIA site, he's on the FIA list great news as thats an extra crew to watch, but why try and be so smart about it when i've been trying help people !!

[Prisoner Monkeys]

In a rally like Finland or Germany the specators are allowed to be along the whole stage, but outside forbidden areas. Those 2 events are among the safest in the world...
Compare that to Wales, where large sections of the route take place in areas used by the army for manoeuvres, and so there is a very real chance that there is unexploded ordnance nearby.

[makinen_fan]

Compare that to Wales, where large sections of the route take place in areas used by the army for manoeuvres, and so there is a very real chance that there is unexploded ordnance nearby.

This is just a single stage you are talking about (Halfway) and it is the only stage where you can walk freely nearly anywhere so you can well be 'killed' by the military there :p
Anyway Germany has an equivalent stage in Panzerplatte... whats your point?

[tolis]

Can't work out whether you're being deliberately obtuse or what...my list was as published in Motrosport News...NOT the list published on FIA site, he's on the FIA list great news as thats an extra crew to watch, but why try and be so smart about it when i've been trying help people !!
Thanks so much for the list you uploaded! Interesting!
I don't blame You, I just wanted to post the link with the manufacturer entries. It's not your fault if Motorsport News have forgotten about Neuville! ;) Thank You again and have a nice rally!

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Anyway Germany has an equivalent stage in Panzerplatte... whats your point?
I don't think unexploded ordnance is a problem at the Panzerplatte. It might have been a military training ground in the past, by my understanding is that it was mostly used for practicing tank manoeuvres.


That was not your first point, but ok... BTW, It's the same case for Panzerplatte, and still there are much more places to go to and they are less strict. Spectators pay 3x as much as the other most expensive WRC events and get nothing in trade for it (even the entry list is relatively weak this year), it has been a problem for years and in this way the Rally of Wales isn't going to exist much longer I'm afraid...
I suspect that the organisers are only really putting in a token effort this year until the WRC's promoter problems are solved. Why go to all the trouble of organising a fantastic route - with the likes of Clocaenog, Gartheniog and Panperthog (I;ve probably mis-spelt all of those) - when nobody is going to see it televised?

[rallyfiend]

I don't think unexploded ordnance is a problem at the Panzerplatte. It might have been a military training ground in the past, by my understanding is that it was mostly used for practicing tank manoeuvres.


I suspect that the organisers are only really putting in a token effort this year until the WRC's promoter problems are solved. Why go to all the trouble of organising a fantastic route - with the likes of Clocaenog, Gartheniog and Panperthog (I;ve probably mis-spelt all of those) - when nobody is going to see it televised?

Because that's their job?

How is having a crap event good for anyone? Also, there may not be a TV deal for the UK, but there's still plenty of countries that do get TV coverage. Surely that's what Wales are paying for - international coverage and exposure?

[makinen_fan]

tommeke_B, very well said there.

Thats a so annoying thing with Wales rally. A shame that so nice roads, probably best in WRC with NZ, combined with the rainy weather can provide massime action, but the organisation is not spectator friendly, at least for us hardcore fans. If it was not for those muddy roads I would not bother going there again.

[AndyRAC]

That was not your first point, but ok... BTW, It's the same case for Panzerplatte, and still there are much more places to go to and they are less strict. Spectators pay 3x as much as the other most expensive WRC events and get nothing in trade for it (even the entry list is relatively weak this year), it has been a problem for years and in this way the Rally of Wales isn't going to exist much longer I'm afraid...

The Rally of Wales hasn't run since about 2006...which was a round of the BRC. ;)

However, not only you, but lots of people can't get the event's name right - people have also called it the Welsh Rally, but that normally takes place in May on Epynt.

The event of course is RallyGB, which happens to be sponsored by the Welsh Assembly; who in their wisdom decide to confuse people by putting Wales in front of the Rally name.
So not only do people not know about the event because of poor promotion, they've not sure what event it is. People still ask me about the RAC.....??. Now that is confusing - as there is a new RAC Rally the RogerAlbertClark Rally in November.

Talk about confusing people, no wonder the event is in decline. I do wonder sometimes whether it needs being left off the calendar for the radical changes to come about.

[tolis]

31 entries, 14 WRC, 10 WRC, 2 RRC.

Entry list: http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/2012_WRGB_Entry_List_28-8-12.pdf

[rallyfiend]

And people say Mexico should be booted off the calendar becuase of it's poor entry.

What's the excuse for Rally GB?

[Barreis]

Tradition and great roads.

[Mintexmemory]

And people say Mexico should be booted off the calendar becuase of it's poor entry.

What's the excuse for Rally GB?

Majority of teams are based in Europe hence classic events should be assisted by FIA to maintain a high standard of attractiveness. Having moved the event from its optimum date as the final round the least they should have done was to make it a round of PWRC and Academy in addition to SWRC (5 competitors!). The support categories will only gain more popularity with extra european rounds and no compulsory trans-continental travel. Dry dusty gravel is not what people want from Rally GB, simple as that.

[makinen_fan]

Information on Tour of Britain cycle race. Hopefully it will not influence many of us going to the rally.
The Tour of Britain 2012 | Race | Stage 6 – Start (http://www.tourofbritain.com/_ns_race/default.asp?section=stage6_start)

Luckily I am staying in Rhayader on Thursday and Friday night, so I will not get in my way

[AndyRAC]

With Wiggins & Cavendish riding, expect huge crowds - cycling is a far bigger sport than Rallying in the UK, and it will get decent media exposure. There will be rolling road closures on the Friday....so watch out. Best stay at the same stage for the whole day.

[gtimad73]

Just wondered if any of you guys can help. I'm looking to get tickets for the celtic manor stage. But when i go to the ticket website it says its a car park pass. Is this what gets me in to the stage its not very clear to me? or am i paying for parking..

[Brynmor Pierce]

Have to say the closer we get the harder i'm finding it to stay away...40 miles away and £20...be rude not too really lol

[Wim_Impreza]

With Wiggins & Cavendish riding, expect huge crowds - cycling is a far bigger sport than Rallying in the UK, and it will get decent media exposure. There will be rolling road closures on the Friday....so watch out. Best stay at the same stage for the whole day.

10 years ago it was the opposite. It is incredible how much more media coverage there is in GB in cycling now.

[AndyRAC]

Have to say the closer we get the harder i'm finding it to stay away...40 miles away and £20...be rude not too really lol

Ha ha, same here. At the moment, I'm going to book a ticket for the Friday in Hafren. And see after that - I may stay for the whole weekend. We all know it's not the spectacle it once was - but it's hard to stay away.

[noel157]

31 entries, 14 WRC, 10 WRC, 2 RRC.

Entry list: http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/2012_WRGB_Entry_List_28-8-12.pdf

Bit pathetic really.

[RS]

31 entries, 14 WRC, 10 WRC, 2 RRC.

Entry list: http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/2012_WRGB_Entry_List_28-8-12.pdf

When does the entry list close?

Is Habig a place holder for a "real" entry or serious?

[tolis]

When does the entry list close?

Is Habig a place holder for a "real" entry or serious?

Entries have closed. Only 31 crews.

[MJW]

I would like to make a couple of points regarding the entries for this years WRGB, firstly there are 11 "new generation" WRC cars, sure the likes of Henning, Villagra etc have faded away from the majority of this years rallies entries. Where are the national drivers? answer those that have the money in UK strill run old style WRC cars, Focus / Subaru. I reckon the date change is a disaster, plus the major failure is that it is not a round of PCWRC or Academy.

[MJW]

And ironically another criticism I have heard from potential entrant is that it has too long a road section. After all the years about moaning of cloverleaf patterns, OK I admit its utterly pointless to drive to North Wales for a ceremonial start, just as pointless as it is to go from the Algarve to Lisbon, from Vila Carlos Paz to Buenos Aeres.

[AndyRAC]

And ironically another criticism I have heard from potential entrant is that it has too long a road section. After all the years about moaning of cloverleaf patterns, OK I admit its utterly pointless to drive to North Wales for a ceremonial start, just as pointless as it is to go from the Algarve to Lisbon, from Vila Carlos Paz to Buenos Aeres.

I thought last year that they should have allowed ‘old spec’ WRCars into the WRC – but ‘grandfathered’ them. Something that happens in GT/Sportscars. Just how many 1.6LT WRCars are there in the UK on National events? I can’t remember seeing one, and we’re now well into the 2nd year of them.

Also, the harsh reality is that the event is no longer a ‘must do’ as it was in the past. The road mileage is a problem – hundreds of miles for nothing. What is the benefit? Nothing. It’s okay having a start in North Wales if they used Clocaenog, Penmachno, Brenig, Dyfi stages.....but they’re not. I’m not sure the organisers are helping themselves. They got it mostly right last year – but haven’t this year.

[Franky]

But there's also a lack of local entries in the lower classes ;)

[Karukera]

I have heard from potential entrant is that it has too long a road section.

Agree when you're on the stages following a rally but a compromise choice on a larger scale.
Most host cities holding a ceremonial start or counties, villages, sponsors funding the event want to get more attention by spreading the vision of rally cars over a large and optimized economic area.

[wrc1600]

And ironically another criticism I have heard from potential entrant is that it has too long a road section. After all the years about moaning of cloverleaf patterns, OK I admit its utterly pointless to drive to North Wales for a ceremonial start, just as pointless as it is to go from the Algarve to Lisbon, from Vila Carlos Paz to Buenos Aeres.

With all respect you can't compare Llandundo to Lisbon or Buenos Aeres..

[Teabee]

Was wondering if anyone could help me. I'm traveling to Wales to see the rally but am currently backpacking around Europe.

Could any of you guys recommend transport options from central Cardiff area? I've found limited public transport options, so car pooling is probably the way I'd like to go, but I have no idea where to start looking!

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map Wales Rally GB is out Programme du Rallye Wrc de Grande-Bretagne 2012 (http://bit.ly/JrAycg)

[spiderem]

So last chance for Mikko to win a rally this year :/ shame.

[6789]

So last chance for Mikko to win a rally this year :/ shame.

Probably last chance for Ford as well

[Bruce D]

When does the entry list close?

Is Habig a place holder for a "real" entry or serious?

Habig is a serious entry. Was meant to be a S2000 car but he paid for an upgrade to WRC spec for the event. Jan Habig Rallying - Home Page (http://www.janhabigrally.co.za/news_2012_0820_wrc.htm)

[rallye-vid]

Novikov with Ilka Minor as Co Ilka Minor mit Evgeny Novikov*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2012/09/05/ilka-minor-mit-evgeny-novikov/index.html)

[Mintexmemory]

With all respect you can't compare Llandundo to Lisbon or Buenos Aeres..
Indeed, Lisbon and Buenos Aeres don't have a scenic rally stage that is a no brainer to use if you are in the vicinity - oops!! Says it all really. I had thought I was going to feel conflicted next week but Goodwood is shaping up to be epic (10 Silver Arrows, A whole grid of Cobras, Dan Gurney Tribute, Parade of 15 250 GTOs) and despite the sniffyness regarding Catalunya tarmac I expect a large field with some interest in the support classes - and all paid for (excluding petrol for the hire car and food) for less than the cost of the WRGB Gold Pass. Cake and eat it!!

[AndyRAC]

Indeed, Lisbon and Buenos Aeres don't have a scenic rally stage that is a no brainer to use if you are in the vicinity - oops!! Says it all really. I had thought I was going to feel conflicted next week but Goodwood is shaping up to be epic (10 Silver Arrows, A whole grid of Cobras, Dan Gurney Tribute, Parade of 15 250 GTOs) and despite the sniffyness regarding Catalunya tarmac I expect a large field with some interest in the support classes - and all paid for (excluding petrol for the hire car and food) for less than the cost of the WRGB Gold Pass. Cake and eat it!!

I saw on Twitter last week that the journalist and usual commentator on WalesRallyRadio; Henry Hope-Frost , had been asked to commentate at the Goodwood Revival, which he confirmed he’d be doing. He also commented that the ‘RAC’ should be in November. I suspect he won’t be the only Motorsport journalist giving RallyGB a miss. There is also the Sao Paolo 6 Hours in the FiA WEC.

[wrc1600]

Indeed, Lisbon and Buenos Aeres don't have a scenic rally stage that is a no brainer to use if you are in the vicinity - oops!! Says it all really. I had thought I was going to feel conflicted next week but Goodwood is shaping up to be epic (10 Silver Arrows, A whole grid of Cobras, Dan Gurney Tribute, Parade of 15 250 GTOs) and despite the sniffyness regarding Catalunya tarmac I expect a large field with some interest in the support classes - and all paid for (excluding petrol for the hire car and food) for less than the cost of the WRGB Gold Pass. Cake and eat it!!
I didn't mean stage but location. Where can you find better place to promote event than in the middle of capital of the country?
You said scenic rally stage... maybe but it is a pitty there is limted spectator area.

[makinen_fan]

interesting link with stage maps for anyone that going to the rally

Wales Rally GB 2012 MAPS pictures by nwrally - Photobucket (http://s1058.photobucket.com/albums/t408/nwrally/Wales%20Rally%20GB%202012%20MAPS/)

[Mintexmemory]

I didn't mean stage but location. Where can you find better place to promote event than in the middle of capital of the country?
You said scenic rally stage... maybe but it is a pitty there is limted spectator area.

Sorry wrc1600, I'm agreeing with you - just too much irony and sarcasm in my post. They are starting in one of the corners of GB that has nothing to recommend it if they don't use the Great Orme Stage (I had no difficulty last year finding different spectator points) or the nearest forests. It is a politician's trick to say the rally 'visits' the whole of Wales. I know I'm not the only forum member who thinks it should visit other parts of the 'country' by which I mean North of England / Scottish Borders. Lisbon, Buenos Aeres and for Catalunya, Barcelona, have all got a certain charisma - As have York, Chester, Edinburgh. At a pinch even Newcastle would be a better HQ / start point to visit than beautiful downtown Cardiff. If I had to guess I'd say someone at the FIA wants the GB round off the calendar!

[rallyfiend]

If I had to guess I'd say someone at the FIA wants the GB round off the calendar!

The FIA don't need to do anything.

The people at Rally GB seem to be doing a fine job themselves of getting removed from the calendar with their ridiculous event. That's their doing - not the FIA...

[AndyRAC]

Sorry wrc1600, I'm agreeing with you - just too much irony and sarcasm in my post. They are starting in one of the corners of GB that has nothing to recommend it if they don't use the Great Orme Stage (I had no difficulty last year finding different spectator points) or the nearest forests. It is a politician's trick to say the rally 'visits' the whole of Wales. I know I'm not the only forum member who thinks it should visit other parts of the 'country' by which I mean North of England / Scottish Borders. Lisbon, Buenos Aeres and for Catalunya, Barcelona, have all got a certain charisma - As have York, Chester, Edinburgh. At a pinch even Newcastle would be a better HQ / start point to visit than beautiful downtown Cardiff. If I had to guess I'd say someone at the FIA wants the GB round off the calendar!

I'd have to agree. What they really need to do, is have their Promotional event, aka Rallyfest, but not in a little town like Conwy/Llandudno or Builth Wells......but THE only place to go if you want a big event; yes, London, use Wembley or the Olympic stadium for a Race of Champions type event.

[Gregor-y]

And then fly all the cars and competitors back to Cardiff that night hoping the weather holds! ;)

[logic]

Any one would have the GPS coordinates fort he carparks on saturday and sunday?

[306 Cosworth]

Any one would have the GPS coordinates fort he carparks on saturday and sunday?
I have a rally planner with some co-ordinates. What car parks have you got tickets for?

[logic]

I have a rally planner in with some co-ordinates. What car parks have you got tickets for?


Sat
Crychan carpark G
Halfway carpark J

Sunday
Walters Arena Carpark O
Rheola Carpark N

[306 Cosworth]

I reckon the date change is a disaster, plus the major failure is that it is not a round of PCWRC or Academy.


The date change is crap yes, but thank god it's not a round of the PWRC. That has even less entries than what the SWRC has (which is what Rally GB is a round of this year) and the cars are twice as boring as an S2000!

Bring another spectacular edition of Wales Rally GB! I can't wait, sod the small entry, i'm off to watch Sebastien Loeb on his way to a 9th world title, and on home turf too! 3 nights in the car for me too!

[306 Cosworth]

Sat
Crychan carpark G
Halfway carpark J

Sunday
Walters Arena Carpark O
Rheola Carpark N

Car Park G - N52 03.365 W3 40.628
Car Park J - N51 57.341 W3 38.745

Car Park N - N51 43.126 W3 45.271
Car Park O - N51 46.138 W3 36.871

[logic]

Thank you!!!

[306 Cosworth]

Thank you!!!

No worries.

Just a heads up, if you're planning on going to Car Park J in the middle of Saturday (rather than camping up there Friday night) then expect a long walk from your car to the stage. If it's anything like last year I drove out passed cars parked 2 miles from Dixies. Thank god I had a Media AAA pass last year :p

[logic]

I think we will be camping at Crychan , bit if that is so i think we will go to Halfway first and camp there.

[306 Cosworth]

It might be a bit better this year though. I think most people when to Car Park J for the past 2 years because you could see 2 stages from 1 spot, but that has changed this year so it might be a bit quieter.

[logic]

Ah ok , which ones you going to?

[306 Cosworth]

I'm heading to Car Park J and then heading out on to the 'Route 60' part of the HAlfway stage. I would do the same as you and do Crychan and Halfway but i'm meeting up with some Friends on Friday evening and due to the crappy ticket system this year they've had to buy there tickets per car park.

Off to Hafren and Port Talbot for the other 2 days. May stop in at Walters on the Sunday too depending on how far I walk into Margam!

[logic]

Ok , we should exchange contact info so we could meet up , bringing up some rum and stuff!

[306 Cosworth]

Just sent you a bit of info.

Forgot to add in the message, look out for a black Skoda Fabia vRS with a Special Stage Rally Review sticker on the back and a Woodpecker Rally press pass on the front!

[logic]

Cool , numbers added. Will send you our camper van number lol

[MartijnS]

J is quite a big walk indeed! Last year we went to K and could drive all the way to the stage, were the 4th car behind the marshalls.
Back to J this year :)

What's the route 60 part? The last part to the finish I think right?

[306 Cosworth]

The Route 60 part is from where it crosses the Tarmac road up on the top of Epynt/Dixies and then on the way to the finish.

Where you were in 2010 Martijn is part of 'Route 60'

[MartijnS]

Yes, thanks :) We're going there again.

[306 Cosworth]

See you there!

[jbmarcus21]

#WRC Be Careful !!!! Wales Rally GB Google Earth Map update Programme du Rallye Wrc de Grande-Bretagne 2012 (http://planetemarcus.free.fr/grandebretagne12.htm)

[satnav]

What are the difference's JBMarcus

[mousti]

Slowson's livery

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151078527858952.444824.334811638951&type=1

[Allyc85]

Somewhere in Greece N.O.T has just exploded!

Can anyone recomend a text message service for stage times as im being blind and cant see anything on the WRC or Rally GB site.

[AndyRAC]

Somewhere in Greece N.O.T has just exploded!

Can anyone recomend a text message service for stage times as im being blind and cant see anything on the WRC or Rally GB site.

You used to be able to get messages from the Official WRC website, but since NorthOne went bust, they have ended. I 'm hoping that the RallyRadio reception is good, as that is the only way of keeping track of the event on stage.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Somewhere in Greece N.O.T has just exploded!

Can anyone recomend a text message service for stage times as im being blind and cant see anything on the WRC or Rally GB site.

Reply post from a friend.

1. Get on Twitter
2. Follow @Official_iRally
3. Set up @Official_iRally to go to your mobile phone for you to get times and driver comments!

Easy!

[Allyc85]

My phone doesn't do things like that ;)

I have found a couple services through Google but im not sure how reliable they are.

[Bruce D]

I follow @Official_iRally on twitter and their coverage is the best. I was following that Finland battle between Loeb and Hirvonen live on that and it was great. I wish our local championship had that sort of coverage.

[spiderem]

any pics / videos of the recce yet?

[A FONDO]

what do yuo want to see on the recce?

[stefanvv]

what do yuo want to see on the recce?

Novikov signing some artifact. :confused:

[6789]

Novikov signing some artifact. :confused:

Only in Fin lol.


I've seen recce vids of drivers taking a piss and drinking coffee. Pretty cool

[bluuford]

Only news I can tell is the fact that it was raining yesterday evening and during the night. Today more rain has visited Friday stages and less or nearly no rain on the others. Interestingly, long term forecast gives us some light rain for Friday early in the morning and fog kind of rain for the rest of the day. Saturday and Sunday should be dry. So, if the forecast will not change then strating first on the road on Friday is good place to be :-)

[Back-N-Black]

Novikov with Ilka Minor as Co Ilka Minor mit Evgeny Novikov*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2012/09/05/ilka-minor-mit-evgeny-novikov/index.html)

Not sure exactly if this means Ilka will be his co-driver or not.

"Novikov looked quickly around for a replacement and is at the Wales Rally GB on the experience of Ilka Minor"

If so she is a much braver person than I!

[GigiGalliNo1]

What phone do youhave?

[jacko]

Dear rally-fans; my friend and i will visit the UK Rally Wales. We will visit the friday & saturday stages.
It looks like a good rally, but a pathetic entry-list, but okay, we will see...

Some questions; where can we buy tickets and how much is a (day-) ticket ?
Our programm looks we will visit the stages Myherin and if possible Dyfnant 2 (day 1) and day 2 Crychan (and again if possible) Halfway.

If you have any information for us (it's our first visit) about parking, beautiful stages (places) to watch and all other stuff, please don't hesitate to give me some info. Thanks in advance !!
Best regards, Jack

[MJW]

Very positive comments today on the condition of the stages from a lot of crews, expect a high speed rally. I must admit they do look awesome,Photo by patriksandell • Instagram (http://instagram.com/p/PcifsAM8-q/)

[306 Cosworth]

Hmmm interesting that Sandell is recceing the stages.

I'm off to qualifying in the morning. Will post some video when I get home. Can't wait to see some of the worlds best in action once more :D

[MartijnS]

We arrive at Bristol at 8.15, picking up tickets at Cardiff and than straight to the shakedown.
Should be fine, but we can't have a lot of delays in the proces :D

[306 Cosworth]

We arrive at Bristol at 8.15, picking up tickets at Cardiff and than straight to the shakedown.
Should be fine, but we can't have a lot of delays in the proces :D

Wow Martijn that's a tight schedule!! Although from Bristol Airport it's less than 100miles to Walters Arena. But Cardiff will be very busy at that time of the morning!

[MartijnS]

Haha, we'll see!

[spiderem]

what do yuo want to see on the recce?

I think it's pretty cool to see the "behind the scene", watch the driver having a piss whilst there on the phone etc... Plus I like the sound of the Volvo, i think they look nothing like a rally car, but so cool!

[traxx]

any pics / videos of the recce yet?

Few pics here :
http://www.worldrall...-recos-et-parc/


http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/reccesNParkGB201208.jpg
http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/reccesNParkGB201203.jpg

[satnav]

Reply post from a friend.

1. Get on Twitter
2. Follow @Official_iRally
3. Set up @Official_iRally to go to your mobile phone for you to get times and driver comments!
Easy!

Thanks for that , i'm now officialy a Twit , easy when your told how to .

[GigiGalliNo1]

You can find drivers on twitter too. Voice Of Rally as well just use the #WRC hash tag too and find what people are talking about!

[tolis]

Solberg fastest!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/271027_4537682925927_740360392_n.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw326d6ME7g&feature=player_embedded

[A FONDO]

Solberg fastest!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/271027_4537682925927_740360392_n.jpg

some times are missed



P.Solberg (Fiesta WRC) 2’23’8[/*:m:19yb2e1i]
Latvala (Fiesta WRC) 2’24’3[/*:m:19yb2e1i]
Novikov (Fiesta WRC) 2’24’4[/*:m:19yb2e1i]
Loeb (DS3 WRC) 2’24’5[/*:m:19yb2e1i]
Ostberg (Fiesta WRC) 2’24’5[/*:m:19yb2e1i]
Hirvonen (DS3 WRC) 2’24’8[/*:m:19yb2e1i]
Neuville (DS3 WRC) 2’25’8[/*:m:19yb2e1i]
Wilson (Fiesta WRC) 2’26’9[/*:m:19yb2e1i]
Prokop (Fiesta WRC) 2’27’0[/*:m:19yb2e1i]
Al-Attiyah (DS3 WRC) 2’27’6[/*:m:19yb2e1i]
Atkinson (Mini WRC) 2’28’7[/*:m:19yb2e1i]

[A FONDO]

quali times




Loeb (DS3 WRC) 2’22’260[/*:m:3dbaz7y5]
P.Solberg (Fiesta WRC) +0’051[/*:m:3dbaz7y5]
Hirvonen (DS3 WRC) +0’872[/*:m:3dbaz7y5]
Neuville (DS3 WRC) +0’878[/*:m:3dbaz7y5]
Latvala (Fiesta WRC) +1’133[/*:m:3dbaz7y5]
Ostberg (Fiesta WRC) +1’271[/*:m:3dbaz7y5]
Al-Attiyah (DS3 WRC) +1’589[/*:m:3dbaz7y5]
Novikov (Fiesta WRC) +2’828[/*:m:3dbaz7y5]

[6789]

Very close between the top two. Are they likely to choose up the front of the field? Howwet is it over there?

Just hope that Solberg can get a win somehow.. Pretty please rally gods

[Back-N-Black]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw326d6ME7g&feature=player_embedded

Hilarious, I love these, the best one yet! Mikko is really fit, Good luck in Wales my friend.

[A FONDO]

Howwet is it over there?
pretty dusty. portugal and gb swapped their characters this year :D

[bluuford]

quali times




Loeb (DS3 WRC) 2’22’260[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
P.Solberg (Fiesta WRC) +0’051[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Hirvonen (DS3 WRC) +0’872[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Neuville (DS3 WRC) +0’878[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Latvala (Fiesta WRC) +1’133[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Ostberg (Fiesta WRC) +1’271[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Al-Attiyah (DS3 WRC) +1’589[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Novikov (Fiesta WRC) +2’828[/*:m:28gg6qzj]

Some changes here:



Loeb (DS3 WRC) 2’22’260[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
P.Solberg (Fiesta WRC) +0’051[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Hirvonen (DS3 WRC) +0’872[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Neuville (DS3 WRC) +0’878[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Latvala (Fiesta WRC) +1’133[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Ostberg (Fiesta WRC) +1’271[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Al-Attiyah (DS3 WRC) +1’589[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Tänak (Fiesta WRC)[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Wilson (Fiesta WRC)[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Novikov (Fiesta WRC) +2’828[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Atkinson (Mini WRC)[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Prokop (Fiesta WRC)[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Habig (Fiesta WRC)[/*:m:28gg6qzj]
Nobre (Mini WRC)[/*:m:28gg6qzj]

[A FONDO]

Tänak (Fiesta WRC) +1’8

Wilson (Fiesta WRC) +2’2

Novikov (Fiesta WRC) +2’8

Atkinson (Mini WRC) +3’6

Prokop (Fiesta WRC) +4’2

Habig (Fiesta WRC) +10’5

Nobre (Mini WRC) +11’6

[dimviii]

Latvala celebrates 10 years of WRC (http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/Bestofrallylive/News/Latvala-celebrates-10-years-of-WRC)

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/560401_10151204594675733_879703272_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/561634_362834763795212_201735818_n.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/377864_10152106974110052_224965691_n.jpg

[rage82]

It's kind of surprise that Neuville is faster than Jari - Matti, I know that it's only the QS but still... I really hope that Thierry can make a rally without mistakes and finish in top 5.

[kober]

Is it true that rain had started to pour just before Solberg's quali run?

[stefanvv]

It's kind of surprise that Neuville is faster than Jari - Matti, I know that it's only the QS but still... I really hope that Thierry can make a rally without mistakes and finish in top 5.

Neuville is capable of such surprises - his time is almost equal to Hirvonen's

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/603318_517507561596102_1577143832_n.jpg

[stefanvv]

Loeb the rainmaker - World Rally Championship - News - Loeb beats the rain to set Qualifying pace (http://www.wrc.com/news/loeb-beats-the-rain-to-set-qualifying-pace/?fid=17415) :D

[Xsara Fan]

During Novikov`s quali run his front right suspension strut was broken...

[stefanvv]

During Novikov`s quali run his front right suspension strut was broken...

Just like that - broken?

[Arwel Davies]

Just like that - broken?

He did land quite heavy after the first jump in the bowl area of Walters Arena.. lots of sparks when he landed which nobody else had.

[bluuford]

Is it true that rain had started to pour just before Solberg's quali run?

I noticed from the radar image that the rain strated to fall at around 14:03 at the start of the stage. However, it was light rain. That is why Solberg complained that he was braking too early (grip was still good). That light rain then continued for around 12 minutes.

[EightGear]

Any non-WRC shakedown times?

[306 Cosworth]

I noticed from the radar image that the rain strated to fall at around 14:03 at the start of the stage. However, it was light rain. That is why Solberg complained that he was braking too early (grip was still good). That light rain then continued for around 12 minutes.

We stayed around the same corner all day for qualifying today, and looking back at the video footage today, you could tell Petter was braking much earlier on his timed run than he was on his previous 'free practice' run.

[EightGear]

Any non-WRC shakedown times?

1. Ogier 3:28,8
2. Abbring 3:29,5
3. Breen 3:31,2
4. Paddon 3:31,4
5. Fisher 3:31,5

[tolis]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/423760_462116033818711_2079258457_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/534424_4699368401363_313799386_n.jpg

[rallye-vid]

Ott a bit wide.. mhh

[jacko]

reminder :)
Dear rally-fans; my friend and i will visit the UK Rally Wales. We will visit the friday & saturday stages.
It looks like a good rally, but a pathetic entry-list, but okay, we will see...

Some questions; where can we buy tickets and how much is a (day-) ticket ?
Our programm looks we will visit the stages Myherin and if possible Dyfnant 2 (day 1) and day 2 Crychan (and again if possible) Halfway.

If you have any information for us (it's our first visit) about parking, the weather, beautiful stages (places) to watch and all other stuff, please don't hesitate to give me some info. Thanks in advance !!
Best regards, Jack

[tolis]

Recce car? :D

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/301108_4699605967302_808877982_n.jpg

[rallye-vid]

I wonder why he doesn't make the recce in his bugatti veyron ;)

[306 Cosworth]

Kris Meeke is driving a Bentley on the Hafren Sweet Lamb stage on Friday, once the WRC field has been through. It's for a feature for Top Gear.

On another note, here's a small selection of clips from todays qualifying stage.


http://youtu.be/lzFaDsALzws

[stefanvv]

I wonder why he doesn't make the recce in his bugatti veyron ;)

He wouldn't judge the size of the road that well :D

[rallye-vid]

Hell yeah, u'r right :D

[dimviii]

Kris Meeke is driving a Bentley on the Hafren Sweet Lamb stage on Friday, once the WRC field has been through. It's for a feature for Top Gear.

On another note, here's a small selection of clips from todays qualifying stage.


http://youtu.be/lzFaDsALzws

Neuville and Loeb,compare with Fords.What did you see?

[OldF]

reminder :)
Dear rally-fans; my friend and i will visit the UK Rally Wales. We will visit the friday & saturday stages.
It looks like a good rally, but a pathetic entry-list, but okay, we will see...

Some questions; where can we buy tickets and how much is a (day-) ticket ?
Our programm looks we will visit the stages Myherin and if possible Dyfnant 2 (day 1) and day 2 Crychan (and again if possible) Halfway.

If you have any information for us (it's our first visit) about parking, the weather, beautiful stages (places) to watch and all other stuff, please don't hesitate to give me some info. Thanks in advance !!
Best regards, Jack

It seems that you don’t get any help and only thing I can help with is the “Wales Rally GB” site.

Wales Rally GB : Spectators - General Information (http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/index.php)

How to buy tickets.

Wales Rally GB : How to buy tickets (http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/how_to_buy_tickets.php)

Wales Rally GB : Ticket Options (http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/ticketoptions.php)

Car parking.

Wales Rally GB : Ticketing and Car Park Information (http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/carparking.php)

[stefanvv]

Neuville and Loeb,compare with Fords.What did you see?

Loeb passed his style, controlled, nothing special. Latvalla little wider and more sliding, Neuville even more wide...

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGVygzr-OZA&feature=player_embedded

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-gPIj9jhPo&feature=player_embedded

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/gb/IMG_4620.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/gb/IMG_4592.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/gb/IMG_4463.jpg

eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Wales Rally GB 2012 Stanislav Kuera (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=3498&fotograf=218)

[dimviii]

Jari-Matti Latvala was fifth fastest, dropping time after he ran wide over the second jump in the stage.
Evgeny Novikov was another to suffer on a jump, landing on a rock which damaged the right-front damper.

Sebastien Loeb wins Rally GB qualifying stage - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102482)

[dimviii]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/423879_422771551113613_1370236594_n.jpghttp://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/429902_422781091112659_1821437530_n.jpghttp://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/546259_4699058393613_1976891432_n.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtQcp5FIoV4&sns=tw

[Teabee]

Anyone heading out to stages from the Cardiff area in the next few days? Keen for a lift and happy to split fuel costs!

[Back-N-Black]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/gb/IMG_4620.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/gb/IMG_4592.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/gb/IMG_4463.jpg

eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Wales Rally GB 2012 Stanislav Kuera (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=3498&fotograf=218)

Isn't this the spot last year where the jump kept getting steeper with every pass. Ultimately many of the later running cars destroyed themselves?

[306 Cosworth]

Isn't this the spot last year where the jump kept getting steeper with every pass. Ultimately many of the later running cars destroyed themselves?

No that was in Sweet Lamb, this was Walters Arena. I was at the jump in question in march of this year and the road has been completely fixed now.

[Back-N-Black]

No that was in Sweet Lamb, this was Walters Arena. I was at the jump in question in march of this year and the road has been completely fixed now.

Thank goodness for that, it was just sad watching all those cars get trashed.

[Rallyper]

Has anyone heard from N.O.T. ? I´ve started to miss him...

[Allyc85]

I think Mat Wilson coming back pushed him over the edge :laugh:

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xevXvuwqM0&feature=player_embedded

[dimviii]

big moment for Tanak....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30U5Aw-UdBk&feature=player_embedded

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Have the drivers picked their starting order yet ?

[User]

Recce car? :D

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/301108_4699605967302_808877982_n.jpg


I wonder why he doesn't make the recce in his bugatti veyron ;)

Anyone care to share whose car it is? I'm curious

[rallye-vid]

Uhm.. Yazeed Al-Rajhi