BTCC Brands Hatch - Rounds 1, 2 and 3

[Allyc85]

First practice has been and gone, with Collard fastest and trouble for the Shedden and John Thorne!

Rob Collard leads opening British Touring Car practice session at Brands Hatch - BTCC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98497)

Pics http://www.btccpages.com/gallery/v/btcc2012/brandshatch1/qual/Thorne1.jpg.html

[BDunnell]

Now my interest levels in the 2012 BTCC begin to build! I can't imagine the works Hondas won't end up in the top 10 later. And I do hope the NGTC Audi and Toyotas are able to prove that their pace last year wasn't just down to the differences in technical regulations.

[BDunnell]

Certainly the evidence of FP2 suggests Rob Austin's Audi in particular is genuinely fast. Hondas looking good, and Plato impressively high up.

[Allyc85]

Jordan fastest in Fp2 while Shedden is stil having big electrical problems! Very impressive by the top 5 for varying reasons IMO :)

Pos Driver Team/Car Time Gap

1. Andrew Jordan Eurotech Honda 48.639s
2. Matt Neal Dynamics Honda 48.912s + 0.273s
3. Tom Onslow-Cole WSR BMW 48.935s + 0.296s
4. Rob Austin Austin Audi 49.046s + 0.407s
5. Jason Plato Triple 8 MG 49.097s + 0.458s
6. Mat Jackson Motorbase Ford 49.153s + 0.514s
7. Aron Smith Motorbase Ford 49.308s + 0.669s
8. Jeff Smith Eurotech Honda 49.319s + 0.680s
9. Rob Collard WSR BMW 49.371s + 0.732s
10. Nick Foster WSR BMW 49.444s + 0.805s
11. Frank Wrathall Dynojet Toyota 49.482s + 0.843s
12. Daniel Welch Welch Proton 49.628s + 0.989s
13. Ollie Jackson AmD Volkswagen 49.630s + 0.991s
14. Liam Griffin Motorbase Ford 49.654s + 1.015s
15. Adam Morgan Speedworks Toyota 49.720s + 1.081s
16. Dave Newsham ES Vauxhall 49.970s + 1.331s
17. Chris James ES Vauxhall 50.169s + 1.530s
18. Lea Wood Wood Vauxhall 50.314s + 1.675s
19. Andy Neate Triple 8 MG 50.381s + 1.742s
20. Tony Gilham Gilham Honda 50.841s + 2.202s
21. Tony Hughes Speedworks Toyota 52.181s + 3.542s
22. Gordon Shedden Dynamics Honda 55.944s + 7.305s

Andrew Jordan fastest in Brands Hatch British Touring Car practice as new-for-2012 cars fly - BTCC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98504)

[Allyc85]

Qualy in 5 minutes!

Live races - British Touring Cars Championship (BTCC) - ITV Sport - ITV (http://www.itv.com/btcc/live/)

[BDunnell]

Well, who could have believed that? Dave Newsham on pole in the Vectra from Neal, and Plato in the top six. Great qualifying by the BMWs, all in the top 10 with Collard third, Onslow-Cole fifth and Foster a best-ever 10th. Rob Austin and Frank Wrathall seventh and eighth. Looks like Mat Jackson's poor qualifying form is continuing into 2012.

[HondaRacingFan]

great job by Newsham, cant say the same for ass of a team mate james for blocking Jordon. Hope TOCA see sense and do something about that.

great job Honda Racing and WSR and well done to MG

tomorrows race is going to be epic

[BDunnell]

Indeed, should be pretty good, especially with the mix of front- and rear-wheel-drive cars and their differing patterns of tyre wear. Now I'm finally starting to get excited about the new season!

[BDunnell]

Full qualifying times here:

Pos Driver Team/Car Time Gap
1. Dave Newsham ES Vauxhall 48.483s
2. Matt Neal Dynamics Honda 48.615s + 0.132s
3. Rob Collard WSR BMW 48.698s + 0.215s
4. Andrew Jordan Eurotech Honda 48.698s + 0.215s
5. Tom Onslow-Cole WSR BMW 48.765s + 0.282s
6. Jason Plato Triple 8 MG 48.868s + 0.385s
7. Rob Austin Austin Audi 48.883s + 0.400s
8. Frank Wrathall Dynojet Toyota 48.963s + 0.480s
9. Gordon Shedden Dynamics Honda 49.022s + 0.539s
10. Nick Foster WSR BMW 49.078s + 0.595s
11. Mat Jackson Motorbase Ford 49.100s + 0.617s
12. Jeff Smith Eurotech Honda 49.166s + 0.683s
13. Adam Morgan Speedworks Toyota 49.176s + 0.693s
14. Aron Smith Motorbase Ford 49.257s + 0.774s
15. Lea Wood Wood Vauxhall 49.421s + 0.938s
16. Ollie Jackson AmD Volkswagen 49.604s + 1.121s
17. Liam Griffin Motorbase Ford 49.623s + 1.140s
18. Chris James ES Vauxhall 49.861s + 1.378s
19. Andy Neate Triple 8 MG 50.126s + 1.643s
20. Tony Gilham Gilham Honda 50.617s + 2.134s
21. Tony Hughes Speedworks Toyota 52.301s + 3.818s
22. Daniel Welch Welch Proton 1m02.449s + 13.966s
23. John Thorne Thorney Vauxhall

Dave Newsham and ES Racing take pole for British Touring Car opener at Brands Hatch - BTCC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98515)

[Allyc85]

My thoughts on qualifying..

Great job by Newsham, very much less so by his team mate, I hope it wasnt on purpose...

Well done to Plato and MG on a brilliant result for such a new car. I dont think ive ever seen a touring car with so much air under its rear wheel as it corners, but at least they wont have to worry about tyre wear! The colour scheme is still rubbish and the front bumper looks like its got rally spot lights from a distance with the white logo on black!

Motorbase Ford still slow in qualifying, why cant they sort that out?

The new commentary pairing seemed to work well straight away IMO

Pos Driver Team/Car Time Gap
1. Dave Newsham ES Vauxhall 48.483s
2. Matt Neal Dynamics Honda 48.615s + 0.132s
3. Rob Collard WSR BMW 48.698s + 0.215s
4. Andrew Jordan Eurotech Honda 48.698s + 0.215s
5. Tom Onslow-Cole WSR BMW 48.765s + 0.282s
6. Jason Plato Triple 8 MG 48.868s + 0.385s
7. Rob Austin Austin Audi 48.883s + 0.400s
8. Frank Wrathall Dynojet Toyota 48.963s + 0.480s
9. Gordon Shedden Dynamics Honda 49.022s + 0.539s
10. Nick Foster WSR BMW 49.078s + 0.595s
11. Mat Jackson Motorbase Ford 49.100s + 0.617s
12. Jeff Smith Eurotech Honda 49.166s + 0.683s
13. Adam Morgan Speedworks Toyota 49.176s + 0.693s
14. Aron Smith Motorbase Ford 49.257s + 0.774s
15. Lea Wood Wood Vauxhall 49.421s + 0.938s
16. Ollie Jackson AmD Volkswagen 49.604s + 1.121s
17. Liam Griffin Motorbase Ford 49.623s + 1.140s
18. Chris James ES Vauxhall 49.861s + 1.378s
19. Andy Neate Triple 8 MG 50.126s + 1.643s
20. Tony Gilham Gilham Honda 50.617s + 2.134s
21. Tony Hughes Speedworks Toyota 52.301s + 3.818s
22. Daniel Welch Welch Proton 1m02.449s + 13.966s

Dave Newsham and ES Racing take pole for British Touring Car opener at Brands Hatch - BTCC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98515)

[VkmSpouge]

Very interesting qualifying session. Dave Newsham's lap was excellent. The BMWs and Hondas both look very good. Jason Plato hauled that MG into 6th place, that car will be flying by the second half of the season. Shame Mat Jackson and Motorbase just can't get that Focus to qualify well.

[BDunnell]

In fact, while Plato's grid position is splendid given how little running the car has had, there is a sense in which we ought not to be too surprised. This is, after all, a Triple Eight car, and neither the team nor the driver can ever be counted out.

[BDunnell]

Shame Mat Jackson and Motorbase just can't get that Focus to qualify well.

How much of it is the car and how much the driver? Jackson isn't ahead of either of his team-mates by too much time-wise. Given that this is a car/driver/engine combination unchanged from last year, it is surprising to see Jackson behind all three BMWs, given that one of the elements is new to WSR.

[christophulus]

Looking forward to this, for that many different cars to be so close at the first race means we're in for an exciting season!

[steveaki13]

Shame for Morgan, going to struggle to do much with that Car for the next race or third race.

[Alfa Fan]

I think Thorne needs to give that Insigina to another driver, he's looking totally out of depth.

[steveaki13]

Strange spin for Thorne, he needs to just keep out of the way now, as you say he is clearly struggling. Good race so far!! Lets hope its a sign of things to come.

[steveaki13]

Plato in the battle already, can't discount him ever it seems.

[steveaki13]

whoops

[BDunnell]

Bit ambitious by Plato there.

[BDunnell]

And an appallingly amateurish attempt to recover Smith's Focus. What were they thinking?

[Alfa Fan]

The marshalls are idiots. We've had enough praise for them on various forums, but time and time again they show they don't have a clue. To work a BTCC/F3/GT meeting there should have to be a minimum standard. That's a good £5k damage they've probably done to Motorbase.

[BDunnell]

Collard looks very close to overtaking the safety car before each restart!

[Alfa Fan]

Thorne off AGAIN. Is that 6 times this weekend already?

[BDunnell]

Thorne off AGAIN. Is that 6 times this weekend already?

Must be approaching that. Doesn't seem acceptable, does it?

[steveaki13]

Agree about the Marshalls. They say British marshalls at the British GP are the best, but that doesn't seem to extend much below that.

Really bad, anyway a great first race of the season. Good drive from Rob Collard.

Thorne really looked poor in Round 1.

[Alfa Fan]

Crazy Collard donuts. Not the safest execution I've ever seen..

[steveaki13]

Crazy Collard donuts. Not the safest execution I've ever seen..

:D Yes they were some of the worst Ive seen. Into the gravel and nearly got stuck.

Something for him to work on before race 2. :p

[HondaRacingFan]

great race win by Collard, gutted for newsham. i hope TOCA do something about Plato. that was a ambitious and very noob-ish attempt and great driving but Neal and Flash

[Alfa Fan]

Thorne off AGAIN. Is that 6 times this weekend already?

Spins on warm-up lap for race 2... seriously this is a bit silly.

[Alfa Fan]

That MG is absolutely the dogs bollocks. Looks like 888 have done it again.

[Wasted Talent]

And an appallingly amateurish attempt to recover Smith's Focus. What were they thinking?

Not very impressive at all..........

WT

[steveaki13]

Have followed BTCC for years on and off, but haven't seen much about John Thorne.

Can someone tell me why he seems so poor compared to other drivers?

Is he young or just not used to racing at this level?

[BDunnell]

Have followed BTCC for years on and off, but haven't seen much about John Thorne.

Can someone tell me why he seems so poor compared to other drivers?

Is he young or just not used to racing at this level?

The latter. If the BTCC is serious about improving driving standards, one might expect something to be done. Also, I don't see what it achieves for a new team operating on a tight budget for the driver to constantly be spinning off of his own accord. Not a good advertisement. Shame, because the car looks good in purely visual terms.

[Allyc85]

Spins on warm-up lap for race 2... seriously this is a bit silly.

His tweets today...

Thorney Motorsport ‏ @ThorneyMS
Well at least we finished one. Reassessing the whole idea at the moment, I've got a good team and a good car but not much else at the moment

2h Thorney Motorsport ‏ @ThorneyMS
Well that was the worse race of my life. Can't help feeling I'm letting everyone down, no confidence in back end or braking. #giveup?

19h Thorney Motorsport ‏ @ThorneyMS
... 1windscreen, 1 track rod, 1 arb, 2 sheer plates. All up? £4k that's my whole parts budget done in one hit. Crap

Any who 2 brilliant BTCC races today, hopefully the 3rd is just as good and things dont get too silly :)

[christophulus]

The destruction derby continues.. there's going to be an enormous repair bill after all this has finished!

[steveaki13]

My goodness that was unreal. 7 cars off at Druids.

Thats was bizzare, must have been a large load of oil up there. Reminds me of 2007 European GP at Nurburgring. No rain today though.

[BDunnell]

Goodness me, what a third race. Memories of Donington in 1991, for those with lengthy recollections! And nothing anybody could have done, including the marshals, surely.

[Allyc85]

Bloody hell, glad to see nobody was hurt after that!

[BDunnell]

His tweets today...

Thorney Motorsport ‏ @ThorneyMS
Well at least we finished one. Reassessing the whole idea at the moment, I've got a good team and a good car but not much else at the moment

2h Thorney Motorsport ‏ @ThorneyMS
Well that was the worse race of my life. Can't help feeling I'm letting everyone down, no confidence in back end or braking. #giveup?

19h Thorney Motorsport ‏ @ThorneyMS
... 1windscreen, 1 track rod, 1 arb, 2 sheer plates. All up? £4k that's my whole parts budget done in one hit. Crap

Must say, good self-awareness from Thorne there.

[steveaki13]

Bloody hell, glad to see nobody was hurt after that!

:up:

[BDunnell]

Bloody hell, glad to see nobody was hurt after that!

Thankfully it happened at a slow-speed part of track.

[steveaki13]

Thankfully it happened at a slow-speed part of track.

Yes. If that had happened up the top end of the GP Circuit that could have been alot worse.

[Alfa Fan]

The destruction derby continues.. there's going to be an enormous repair bill after all this has finished!

It actually looks like most have come out unscathed from it, worst damage looks to be to the Welch Proton.

[BDunnell]

BTCC Donington 1991 - Carnage! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkoYo-ATLCE)

[steveaki13]

It actually looks like most have come out unscathed from it, worst damage looks to be to the Welch Proton.

Didn't seem like there was any massive hits, due to slow speed (comparatively) and the gravel slowing them further coupled with the head on line most went.

[steveaki13]

BTCC Donington 1991 - Carnage! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkoYo-ATLCE)

Good memory. Very similar thanks for finding the vid. :)

[Alfa Fan]

Thorne must have broken the record for most offs in a weekend.

[steveaki13]

He's been a Thorne in the side of everyone this weekend. ;)

[christophulus]

It actually looks like most have come out unscathed from it, worst damage looks to be to the Welch Proton.

Depends on how they were hauled out of the gravel!

[christophulus]

Flash excluded from race 3 as the team worked on his car during the red flag period:

Link (http://www.btcc.net/html/generalnews_detail.php?id=2904)

A little harsh IMO, seems how he came into the pits before the race was suspended?

[Brown, Jon Brow]

If only the MG had a nice paint job.

[Allyc85]

Agreed, the car looks a mess! But what an amazing job by the team to get the car in a winning state so soon, when teams have been testing for most of the winter!

I really enjoyed all 3 races today, and thought the driving standard was pretty good for most of it with only a couple dodgy incidents.

Gutted for Morgan who couldnt have had more bad luck if he tried. His initial pace seems good so things can surely only get better for him!

And the new commentaty pairing works well, though it does sound like Tim grabs Toby's nuts every so often making him squeel like a piggy!

[BDunnell]

I'm very unsure about Toby Moody, to be honest. There are bits of his delivery that just don't sound good. But maybe he'll grow on me.

A word of praise, incidentally, for Rob Austin. Last year we didn't really know whether his A4 was running at the front because of the certain advantages it enjoyed as an NGTC car compared with the S2000s, or because it genuinely was a quick car. Now we've seen it competing against NGTCs made by more established preparation teams, it's clear that both car and driver really are competitive. That's a huge achievement for a small team.

[Tixy54]

Hi,

My wife and I must have been listening to a different commentary to most of you on here. We both thought that the new commentator was rubbish. He didn't even know what lap they were on in the third race. Perhaps he should be renamed "Tubby Muuddled".

Is it my perception or is the ITV team biased towards Mr Plato, all of the teams, new and old, had to develop there cars from a "Blank Canvas" as it were. They've all done very well, the drivers, mechanics and the back room staff, some now have more work to do than others. We'll be at Donington to see how they all fair on a longer lap.

[Tixy54]

Must be approaching that. Doesn't seem acceptable, does it?

Has anyone checked that he holds a licence?

[wedge]

Bit ambitious by Plato there.

Bloody daft. A man of his experience should know that trying to go 3 wide into Paddock wasn't on. As soon as he used part of pit exit the move would end in tears in some way.

TOCA - get rid of the tea tray rear wings. The MGs and Civics look ridiculous.

[F1boat]

The races were very, very interesting. I hope that there will be less politics this season, because the racing in the BTCC is awesome. Really awesome.

[Iain]

The races were very, very interesting. I hope that there will be less politics this season, because the racing in the BTCC is awesome. Really awesome.

No chance. There's already arguments about the MG having a better boost level than the rest with their parity measures.

I can't see why they need to mess about with boost levels when they could just use weight penalties like the WTCC and their parity system.

[BDunnell]

No chance. There's already arguments about the MG having a better boost level than the rest with their parity measures.

I can't see why they need to mess about with boost levels when they could just use weight penalties like the WTCC and their parity system.

Or they could do nothing at all. The first race yesterday, with all the cars at base weight, was more than competitive enough.

[Mp3 Astra]

Very interesting opening three races.

Jason Plato back to his old self, and despite what I think was perhaps a penalty-worthy incident in race 1, you can't fault his efforts in bringing that MG to the top step of the podium in Race 3. Andy Neate was nowhere for most of the weekend, so you must say that a lot of that performance must have been from Plato himself (although it could be argued that Neate's car was the less prepared of the two). But, as I said, his move at Paddock in Race 1 was almost a rookie error; the kind of thing you might have seen Nash and the like getting punished for a few years back.

The Hondas have proved very interesting; they do lack the straight line speed but I'm sure with a bit of turbo re-balancing we will see them win plenty more this season. Shedden couldn't have had worse luck this weekend; I'm really rooting for him this year as he is the one driver on the grid this year who really should have won a championship by now.

Fair play to team eBay and WSR for winning the opening race; in a race without safety cars those machines are really quite fantastic just about everywhere on the circuit, but warming up their tyres after restarts is still a problem that seems to plague them. Collard could be a dark horse this season. Although, we've seen Collard perform well at the start of seasons before and gradually drop back. Hopefully WSR can squeeze every last drop of performance out of the old chassis and new engine to keep themselves in the running.

A special mention has to go to John 'Businessman not racing driver' Thorne who managed to throw his car at every piece of grass at Brands Hatch. I don't know if it's the car or if he is really struggling, but either way a lot of work needs to be done there!

Oh, and Toby Moody: He seemed very much to be sticking to his notes while commentating. If I hear him say 'the 888 guys have done a great job to get that (squeaky voice) BRAND NEW car on the grid this weekend' we may have a falling out. I'm sure he'll improve over the season, but whoever made the Alan Partridge comparison has got it spot-on for the moment!

[BDunnell]

Fair play to team eBay and WSR for winning the opening race; in a race without safety cars those machines are really quite fantastic just about everywhere on the circuit, but warming up their tyres after restarts is still a problem that seems to plague them.

I found Collard's performance in race three in particular very odd. Same goes for Rob Austin, for that matter. In the past the rear-wheel-drive cars have always looked after their tyres much better to the end of the race — witness Collard and Foster rocketing through the field at Rockingham last year. For whatever reason, that wasn't in evidence at Brands at all. Maybe there's some more set-up work to do.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

I found Collard's performance in race three in particular very odd. Same goes for Rob Austin, for that matter. In the past the rear-wheel-drive cars have always looked after their tyres much better to the end of the race — witness Collard and Foster rocketing through the field at Rockingham last year. For whatever reason, that wasn't in evidence at Brands at all. Maybe there's some more set-up work to do.

Probably the cooler conditions later in the day played against them.

[Eurotech]

But, as I said, his move at Paddock in Race 1 was almost a rookie error; the kind of thing you might have seen Nash and the like getting punished for a few years back.



Johnny Adam 2009 anyone? I think that if anything, punting someone off and out of the race entirely is much worse than a tap on the rear that got saved and Plato still finished in second in that race in 2009 (pre-DSQ for Adam). Jason should definitely have got punished for that.

As for Thorne, I'm sure he just needs some time to get used to the car and get the car up to speed. As has been seen from Thorney Motorsport's Dunlop SportMaxx adventures in the past, they do know how to engineer a racing car.

[Wasted Talent]

Johnny Adam 2009 anyone? I think that if anything, punting someone off and out of the race entirely is much worse than a tap on the rear that got saved and Plato still finished in second in that race in 2009 (pre-DSQ for Adam). Jason should definitely have got punished for that.

Agreed - if Newsham had tapped Plato into retirement there would have been hell to play

WT

[IceWizard]

Just finished watching the action at last. A very exciting and intriguing opening weekend, although some questionable driving and marshalling. The oil at Druids might have caused problems for the tourers but the prize for causing the most carnage has to go to the Clio guys.

[Darlo]

[quote="HondaRacingFan"]great job by Newsham, cant say the same for ass of a team mate james for blocking Jordon. Hope TOCA see sense and do something about that.

Seems like Chris James is showing himself up even further by giving Andy some foul mouthed abuse on Twitter and having to be warned about such conduct by Alan Gow

[Allyc85]

What is Chris James saying roughly? It was him who convinently cocked it up in qualifying, and Jordan who im sure will go onto achieve things Chris can only dream of!

[Darlo]

Although Jordan deleted some of his tweets pretty quickly, the gist I got was that he and Wrathall were having a bit of a laugh about Chris James' constant use of the phrase 'AV IT'. James reacted with some pretty abusive tweets about Jordans appearance and that the two were spoilt daddy's boys.

Agree though - they'll both achieve far more than James can ever dream of.

[m.lowe]

Hopefully the word "parity" will be wiped from Plato's brain this season now he has equal machinery
well for now that is until the Hondas start trouncing again

[m.lowe]

the MG i quite like it though
Good stock car

agreehttp://www.camcorderdcr.com

[Tixy54]

the MG i quite like it though
Good stock car

Yeah, should be on the small oval at Foxhall Heath or Skegness, preferably with Mr Hotbreath inside it, then we'll see about a 'bit of a tap' and 'rubbin's racin'. Take that......biff.

[Mp3 Astra]

Johnny Adam 2009 anyone? I think that if anything, punting someone off and out of the race entirely is much worse than a tap on the rear that got saved and Plato still finished in second in that race in 2009 (pre-DSQ for Adam). Jason should definitely have got punished for that.



Brilliant example, wish I'd thought of it! I'm a fan of Plato, but I do wish he received a bit more in the way of race-affecting punishments.

[Yin Yang]

I can't really say much of interest about this first weekend of racing. A few things I would point out are that Plato absolutely had that corner, and Newsham is entitled to his opinions but doesn't see the far more reasonable side of the story, that Plato should not have received a penalty compared to Shedden's 2011 bumping and banging, and that John Thorne is a menace to the race. :rolleyes:

The Honda Civic looked less strong than last year, actually. Also, I'm glad Chris James is finally being revealed for being an immature personality in the paddock, whereas Plato stands his rightful ground.

Hoping to see the same from Plato at Donington. I hope no crashes are involved, because it just raises hopelessly endless controversy.

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