Name that Car 2

[Chris R]

boy - I don't really deserve to get this one!!

well, the only other 1 mile track on the schedule that year was Milwaukee (I was thinking Trenton was more like Pocono - but it was a mile and a half....)

I guess one of these days I am going to have to wander up to Trenton to vist the NJ State sculpture garden and see if there is any sign that it was once a race track.....

[Phoenixent]

boy - I don't really deserve to get this one!!

well, the only other 1 mile track on the schedule that year was Milwaukee (I was thinking Trenton was more like Pocono - but it was a mile and a half....)

I guess one of these days I am going to have to wander up to Trenton to vist the NJ State sculpture garden and see if there is any sign that it was once a race track.....

You are Correct it was Trenton. :up: :bounce:

I forgot to put the .5 on the last reply. From Google Earth nothing left of Trenton except a lake shaped like the track. I can just see todays drivers complaining if they drove Trenton or Pocono. It's just to hard to setup the car or I could not get it to stick in the corners. BLA BLA Bla-Cry Cry Cry that's pretty much the same for both series. Anyway.

Your Turn.

[Chris R]

yeah, you have a point about today's drivers - I think our sport has become a little too technology/let the car do the work for you centered sometimes - although I suppose at today's speeds that is probably necessary....

I still can't believe Marco Andretti parked a bad handling car once or twice this year - I'll bet Mario the race car driver (not the grandfather) was not happy about that!!

Anyway - here we go....

[Alexamateo]

Jim Hurtubise #88 Kuzma-Offy
Mel Kenyon #21 Lesovsky-Offy
Ralph Liquori Epperly Offy
Langhorne 1965

[Chris R]

Alex has it. This came for the Mel Kenyon tribute site - it is part of a sequence of photos. Overall a nice site worth checking out...

http://melkenyon.tripod.com/indycarstats.html

Your turn!!

[Alexamateo]

Here's the next one! The usual please.

[Chris R]

I think that is Dan Gurney and Mike Mosley flanking Steve Chassey (in car) in a 1981 Eagle-Chevy. I am gonna guess Indy....

[Alexamateo]

I think that is Dan Gurney and Mike Mosley flanking Steve Chassey (in car) in a 1981 Eagle-Chevy. I am gonna guess Indy....

You got it already. I didn't think it would be too hard, but I really liked the picture. It's Steve Chassey's rookie test. Also, the one you posted before was nice and difficult. I wasn't thinking 1965 would be a year with just front-engined cars in the photo. Nice site btw. You're up!

[Chris R]

That was a nice photo - is that from your own collection (noticed the faint signatures - I have a Mike Mosley in my collection but not Dan Gurney...)

I thought the picture I posted was kind of neat but a little disturbing at the same time - seeing Kenyon slumped over the wheel and all of the fuel pouring out and what not - but since his fans posted it I figured it was not in too bad of taste...

ok - here's another from the waay back machine

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Al Miller
Year- 1941
Car- Miller RE4D-Miller SC
Track- Indianapolis Motor Speedway

[Chris R]

Phoenix has it - the American Auto-Union.... From everything I have read it was a neat car that was never properly sorted out and ultimately was Harry Miller's only utter failure as a racing car....

[Phoenixent]

Phoenix has it - the American Auto-Union.... From everything I have read it was a neat car that was never properly sorted out and ultimately was Harry Miller's only utter failure as a racing car....

Cool Photo. :up:

I have one of the same car but without Miller. That is car was a view of whats to come 20 years after that race.

New Photo Coming Up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter05.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/11/004/2F/E3/3F/C4/rYKVN8PTQoKZ7L6cHxynWrqn5HZfHaN10196.jpg

[Chris R]

Herm Johnson
Milwaukee
1984
March 84C-Cosworth...

I remeber him in an Eagle - didn't remember the March.... So whatever became of Herm Johnson anyway?

Also, in terms of big losses to AOWR - Menards supported AOWR for a long time and now he is gone.....

[Chris R]

Hey, my 1,000th post was about Herm Johnson???? :eek:

That just doesn't see quite right :burnout:

[Alexamateo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herm_Johnson

He's a custom painter of race cars, helmets etc.

Congrats on post #1000 Chris! :bounce:

[Phoenixent]

Herm Johnson
Milwaukee
1984
March 84C-Cosworth...

I remeber him in an Eagle - didn't remember the March.... So whatever became of Herm Johnson anyway?

Also, in terms of big losses to AOWR - Menards supported AOWR for a long time and now he is gone.....

You are Correct. :bounce:

Congrats on your 1000th post. :up: Made mine here also. :D

Your Turn.

[Chris R]

thanks!

Here's the latest!!

[BobGarage]

Lee Roy Yarbrough
Brabham - Offenhausen
Ontario
1970

[Chris R]

Bob has it! :up:

I was thinking that one might have lasted longer....

your turn!!

[BobGarage]

right, sorry about the slightly poor quality of this one. its actually a screen shot from a on old VHS video...

the usual please....

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Eliseo Salazar
Year- 1995
Car- Lola T95/00- Ford Cosworth
Track- Long Beach

[BobGarage]

Driver- Eliseo Salazar
Year- 1995
Car- Lola T95/00- Ford Cosworth
Track- Long Beach

all right except the track....

[Chris R]

Miami??

[BobGarage]

Miami??

indeed it is.

your go...

[Chris R]

here's the next one...

[champcarray]

Driver: David Hobbs
Year: 1971
Car: McLaren M16A
Track: Indy

[Chris R]

Everything is right except the car - take a closer look at that nose..... ;)

The info I have about this picture says it is Hobbs' rookie test.....

[champcarray]

Make that an M15!

[champcarray]

... an M15A to be more precise.

[Alexamateo]

psst..... It's not a McLaren! ;)

[champcarray]

Is it a Lola T153?

[Phoenixent]

For the big money on Chris's photo.

Who is checking the right front tire? :rolleyes:

[Chris R]

champcarray has it - it is a Lola!! your turn!

[Phoenixent]

Hello. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[champcarray]

Sorry, I've been away from house for my high school reunion all weekend. I couldn't find an actual photo of this car in electronic format, so I'm going to submit a photo of a model if that's OK with you. Please name the car and driver, track where it debuted, and its (in)significance!

[champcarray]

Sorry for the delay -- I was away from the house this weekend for my high school reunion. I couldn't find an electronic photo of the attached and dont' have access to a scanner, so I'm submitting a photo of a model. Hope that's OK with you guys. Please provide the year, car, driver, track where it debuted, and its (in)significance!

[garyshell]

The signficance was the use of the high wing. The rest I haven't a clue about.

Gary

[Chris R]

neat picture - even if it is a model...

I have seen that car before - but I had to do a little digging to figure it out:

1962 Watson-Offy
Indy
Jim rathman
car was entered by Smokey Yunick

First winged car at Indy. Wing was asked to be removed by officals - which was ok wiht Smokey becasue while the car was faster in the turns, it was slower on the straights so the net results was pretty much a wash....

[champcarray]

You are correct, Chris. Your turn.

I read that the car went 146 mph in the corners, but couldn't go much faster on the straights because of the drag! It still amazes me that a winged car debuted in 1962 -- it took several more years for the concept to catch on!

[Chris R]

Smokey was always a little ahead of the curve... I love some of the folklore stories about him - like the 7/8 scale Chevelle he used in NASCAR (don't know if it is really true or just a tall tale....


ok, here's the next....

I think someone might have used this in the past - but it is worth repeating......

[CCFanatic]

Smokey was always a little ahead of the curve... I love some of the folklore stories about him - like the 7/8 scale Chevelle he used in NASCAR (don't know if it is really true or just a tall tale....


ok, here's the next....

I think someone might have used this in the past - but it is worth repeating......


That is no tall tail. The car won the pole, but failed tech(kina obvious there).

[teamsuperimu]

It's funny that you mention that because DW mentioned that Bill Elliot's all conquering 1985 t-bird was smaller than regs thus aero faster than everyone else...

Anyway to get back on topic, the pic is of Al Unser Sr in a March 87c at Nazareth.

[Chris R]

teamsuperimu has it!! welcome to the thread!!

your turn...

I had not heard that about Elliot's car.....

[teamsuperimu]

Thanx, I've been lurking for a while I feel like I should contribute something. You know the drill. This shouldn't be too hard.

[BobGarage]

michael chandler
1983
Indianapolis
rattlesnake - cosworth

[teamsuperimu]

Bingo... That didn't take long. Your turn Bob

[BobGarage]

not sure if this ones been used before... the usual please

[Chris R]

The car has been here before - but nopt the photo....

Dale Coyne
1984
Eagle Chevy
Road America???

[BobGarage]

The car has been here before - but nopt the photo....

Dale Coyne
1984
Eagle Chevy
Road America???

spot on, your go...

[Chris R]

Great series of shot guys!!

btw - did anyone see the back cover of Autoweek this week? BEAUTIFUL shot of a restored Kurtis Roadster. Also, this month's Motorsport has a great shot of the underbelly of the Lotus 78 - not a Champcar - but technically interesting as well as the direct ancestor of the modern Champcar....

Here you go - the usual stuff please....

PS - I just noticed that there is some print at the top of the photo - please ignore if you don't want to spoil the fun - it is pretty hard to read anyway.....

[szautke]

Roger McCluskey
GC Murphy Eagle-Ford
Indianapolis, 1967

[Chris R]

szautke has it!!

glad to see the recent upswing in participation by new/occasional folks!! :)

gotta love the "beak" on those Eagles!!

your turn

[szautke]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i100/szautke/savage73.jpg

[Blancvino]

Mike Mosley, Eagle, '76, Milwaukee

[szautke]

Wrong driver, track and year, correct chassis.

[szautke]

szautke has it!!

glad to see the recent upswing in participation by new/occasional folks!! :)

gotta love the "beak" on those Eagles!!

your turn

Thanks, IIRC, the beak idea was from Dan's (Gurney) dad. Beautiful car. The 66-67 Eagle is one of my favorites.

[Blancvino]

Wrong driver, track and year, correct chassis.


Swede Savage, 1973, Eagle, Trenton, NJ or Nazereth, PA

[szautke]

Yes, its David "Swede" Savage at Trenton in April, 1973. The car is in the Patrick Racing colors as STP had not decided to sponsor a car/team as of yet. This was Savage's penultimate race. Nazareth was not on the calendar until the late-1980's.

You're up.

[Blancvino]

Driver
Year
Chassis
Venue

http://www.yesterdaysneuz.com/1974%20Indy/thumbnails/David_Hobbs%206.jpg (http://www.yesterdaysneuz.com/1974%20Indy/pages/David_Hobbs%206.htm)

[CCFanatic]

Indy
1974
David Hobbs
McLaren

All you had to do was click on the pic to get the anwser. Just to let you know.

[Blancvino]

Indy
1974
David Hobbs
McLaren

All you had to do was click on the pic to get the answer. Just to let you know.

I copied the wrong picture. I stripped and saved the linkage out of the picture and then dropped in the original ... oops!

You are up in spite of my cock up.

[CCFanatic]

I think this one will be easy.

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Luis Garcia Jr.
Year- 1999
Car- Lola T99/00- Mercedes
Track- Vancouver

[CCFanatic]

Too easy. Your up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter01.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/12/008/6F/3F/59/C2/7fxp550DjGaNIa1BjHWvPW1H1aoa7mgN01C2.jpg

[Alexamateo]

Joe Leonard
Parnelli-Offy
1972 Phoenix

[Phoenixent]

Joe Leonard
Parnelli-Offy
1972 Phoenix

You are Correct. :up:

The car is a Parnelli Colt 71 that was converted to Offy power and used in only the one 1972 race. Not to be confused with the 1972 Parnelli VPJ1-Offy used for the rest of the season.

Your Turn.

[Chris R]

you guys have got to see/hear this - it is strangely moving, too funny for words, and makes you wonder about how much time people have on thier hands all at once!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W8whVpU3hWU

:eek:

[Chris R]

while you tubing tonight I have found another interesting clip to share.... This is stuff from the 1972 500.... If you can get through the music - check outthe crash where the guy is sliding down the wall STANDING UP in the car waiting to jump out because he is on fire..... different times....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-a_2VPSP4s0

[Alexamateo]

Love the videos Chris. The guy bailing out is Mike Moseley. That time is not far removed from when drivers didn't use seat belts. I think guys like Gurney and Clark never used them. They were more afraid of being trapped in a burning car than being thrown out of one.

Anyway, here's the next one.

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Graham Hill
Year- 1968
Car- Lotus 56-Pratt & Whitney
Track- Mosport

[Alexamateo]

Dang Phoenix! 5 whole minutes. You could at least act like it's challenging. ;)

You're right of course :up:

Your turn :)

[Phoenixent]

Dang Phoenix! 5 whole minutes. You could at least act like it's challenging. ;)

You're right of course :up:

Your turn :)

Cool photo AM. :up:

I see that after the Indy 500 Parnelli end up with one of the Lotus 56 and had Joe Leonard driving it. It is listed as entrant being Vel's Parnelli Jones Racing.

New photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter09.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/13/001/2F/E3/3F/C4/-6lyWTY8c6sJOPAwm07WCgTfBdMy01vs0190.jpg

[Chris R]

What a terrible thing to do to a perfectly beautiful Lotus!! :( It almost looks like it could be a modified 49 - but I assume it was an Indy car model.....

Wib Spalding
Lotus Chevy
Castle Rock
1969

Now, for the big questions - who is/was Wib Spalding and what about Castle Rock??

[BobGarage]

Now, for the big questions - who is/was Wib Spalding and what about Castle Rock??

Wib Spalding was a dirt tracker who had 2 Champ Car starts out of 9 attempts.

Castle Rock was wiped out by mt St Helens in 1980.

[Alexamateo]

Castle Rock was wiped out by mt St Helens in 1980.

While there is a Castle Rock Speedway in Washington, this particular race was run at Continental Divide Raceway in Castle Rock, Colorado.

[Alexamateo]

Continental Divide Raceway (http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/continen.html)

[Chris R]

So has a speedway ever done well in Colorado? If not, why does everyone keep trying????

[Phoenixent]

What a terrible thing to do to a perfectly beautiful Lotus!! :( It almost looks like it could be a modified 49 - but I assume it was an Indy car model.....

Wib Spalding
Lotus Chevy
Castle Rock
1969

Now, for the big questions - who is/was Wib Spalding and what about Castle Rock??

:( Keep Digging Chris.

[Phoenixent]

Continental Divide Raceway (http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/continen.html)

Great Info on the track. :up:

[Chris R]

hmmm, looking more closely I guess that is an oval - I assumed it was a road course and obviously the engine cover is different... so going with the funky car concept:

1970
Phoenix
Rick Muther
Glen Bryant chassis (chopped up something or another I suppose - still looks pretty Lotus -like to me)
Pratt and Whitney turbine engine.....

did not realize that a turbine ran in a race after 1968....

[Phoenixent]

hmmm, looking more closely I guess that is an oval - I assumed it was a road course and obviously the engine cover is different... so going with the funky car concept:

1970
Phoenix
Rick Muther
Glen Bryant chassis (chopped up something or another I suppose - still looks pretty Lotus -like to me)
Pratt and Whitney turbine engine.....

did not realize that a turbine ran in a race after 1968....

Right Driver, Track an Car. :up:
Year is 1971 and the car DNQ. It's amazing that the turbine lasted this long.

Your Turn. :)

[Chris R]

great photo find! any ideas about the car/chassis??

here's an easy one!!

[Phoenixent]

great photo find! any ideas about the car/chassis??

Car is a Bryant but model and year unknown.

[Chris R]

Here's what I found at "oldracingcars.com"
"Gerhardt (Rick Muther): The Jack Adams Aircraft #54 entry was the last of the turbine cars, utilising an Allison Model 250 turboshaft turbine engine and initially a chassis built by Glenn Bryant of MSU. The Bryant chassis was abandoned after Indy 1969 and the team returned in 1970 with the Allison installed in a more standard Gerhardt chassis (Ludvigsen's 70s book, p16). Jigger Sirois got the drive but was unable to qualify. The car then made a few USAC appearances with Rick Muther in 1970, managing a very impressive eighth at Trenton in October. In 1971, with Muther again in the seat, it raced at Rafaela and Milwaukee but failed to qualify at Indianapolis. It was sometimes entered as an 'American Eagle', causing Phil Harms data to sometimes identify it as an AAR Eagle."

[Chris R]

hello!!?? no takers on my easy pic????

[Alexamateo]

Well if no one else wants to go, I'll go.

Jim Clark's winning Lotus-Ford
Indianapolis 1965

[Chris R]

Alex has it - sorry for the late reply - was on a business trip to Michigan.....

[Alexamateo]

Alex has it - sorry for the late reply - was on a business trip to Michigan.....

Buyin' or sellin'? ;)

The usual please.

[champcarray]

My guess:
1975 Indy
#6 = Bill Vukovich
#45 = Gary Bettenhausen
Both cars are Eagle/Offies

Those are some classic Indy driver names, aren't they?

[champcarray]

Ooops -- make that Bobby Allision in the #16 McLaren-Offy!

[Alexamateo]

You got it champcarray!

You're up!

[champcarray]

Here you go.

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Kenny Brack
Year- 2001
Car- Lola B01-Ford
Track- Nazareth

[champcarray]

You got it. That, unfortunately, was CART's last race at that fantastic little track. Your turn.

[Phoenixent]

You got it. That, unfortunately, was CART's last race at that fantastic little track. Your turn.

Nice Photo. :up:

Nazareth was a nice track better tan the cookie cutter 2 mile Michigan clones out there. The big giveaway on the photo was the Penske red and yellow seating every Penske track had that.

New photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter11.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/004/3F/D3/9C/AA/ETgPpWCfHyxyxqEb8K2HDFoHgr3hx1vF0190.jpg

[champcarray]

I can't figure out what that is. It looks part Lotus 56 and part god knows what else thrown in! To me, #20 = Art Pollard in 1968...

[Chris R]

does that thing have a hemi?? ;)

[champcarray]

What's the word on the engine, Phoenixent? I read in a book about the Lotus Indy program that the Granatelli brothers made some replica Lotus 56s and put piston engines in them. I think Offys and Plymouths. Is this one of those creations?

[Blancvino]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter11.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/004/3F/D3/9C/AA/ETgPpWCfHyxyxqEb8K2HDFoHgr3hx1vF0190.jpg

Art Pollard, Gerhardt Offy, 1969, Trenton

[Phoenixent]

What's the word on the engine, Phoenixent? I read in a book about the Lotus Indy program that the Granatelli brothers made some replica Lotus 56s and put piston engines in them. I think Offys and Plymouths. Is this one of those creations?

Right Car. :up:

Keep Digging.

[Phoenixent]

Art Pollard, Gerhardt Offy, 1969, Trenton

Right Year. :up:

Keep Digging

[Blancvino]

Right Year. :up:

Keep Digging

Mario Andretti, Lotus 56, 1969, Phoenix

[Phoenixent]

Mario Andretti, Lotus 56, 1969, Phoenix

Right Car, Year and Track. :up:

Keep Digging. :bounce:

[Blancvino]

Right Car, Year and Track. :up:

Keep Digging. :bounce:

Grahm Hill?, Lotus 56, 1969, Phoenix

[Phoenixent]

Grahm Hill?, Lotus 56, 1969, Phoenix

Keep Digging. :D

[champcarray]

Finishing 7th at Phoenix in 1969: Jim Malloy in a Granatelli-Lotus 56 with a Plymouth 318ci stock block V8!

[Phoenixent]

Finishing 7th at Phoenix in 1969: Jim Malloy in a Granatelli-Lotus 56 with a Plymouth 318ci stock block V8

You are Correct. :up:

Nice run for Jim Malloy. It's to bad that he never got to ride the performance wave that AAR Eagle 72 started. I am sure that he would have won a couple of races in 1972 and 1973. RIP Jim Malloy we still remember you. :(

Your Turn.

[champcarray]

The usual info. If you know what this is a photo of, then you know why this moment was so significant that year.

[Blancvino]

The usual info. If you know what this is a photo of, then you know why this moment was so significant that year.

Bobby Rahal, 1990, Lola, Milwaukee

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Bobby Rahal
Year- 1991
Car- Lola T91-Chevy
Track- Laguna Seca

Rahal's Last Race with Galles

[champcarray]

Yup, it's Rahal at Laguan Seca in '91. It was the last race of the year and he was battling Michael Andretti for the championship. Unfortunately for Bobby, his car overheated about 1/3 of the way into the race and that was it. Michael won the race and the championship.

[champcarray]

Your turn, Phoenixent.

[Phoenixent]

Sorry for the delay I've been on a film location. :D

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter15.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/006/7F/68/2A/79/trJ9NhZ-HeLQpNB4XgFEBvk+AttV+iqy0280.jpg

[Blancvino]

Sorry for the delay I've been on a film location. :D

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter15.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/09/006/7F/68/2A/79/trJ9NhZ-HeLQpNB4XgFEBvk+AttV+iqy0280.jpg

B. Unser, Eagle, 1969, Brainerd?

[Phoenixent]

B. Unser, Eagle, 1969, Brainerd?

Right Driver, and Car. :up:

Keep Digging.

[Blancvino]

Right Driver, and Car. :up:

Keep Digging.

B Unser, Eagle, 1968, Dover?

[Phoenixent]

B Unser, Eagle, 1968, Dover?

Right Driver, and Car. :up:

Keep Digging.

[Blancvino]

Right Driver, and Car. :up:

Keep Digging.

B Unser, 1970,Eagle, Langhorn

[Phoenixent]

B Unser, 1970,Eagle, Langhorn

You are Correct. :up:

The photo is of the last Champ Car race at the Langhorne mile. The track was far to dangerous for that type of car. I could not imagine the speeds if a 72 Eagle or McLaren rand on that track. :eek:

Your Turn.

[Blancvino]

Driver, Car, Track, Year

[Chris R]

Boy, in all the excitment/uproar over the Phoenix race our thread is not getting so much attention....

How about
Bobby Rahal
1998
Reynard/Ford
Fontana
Rahal's last race.....

[Blancvino]

Boy, in all the excitment/uproar over the Phoenix race our thread is not getting so much attention....

How about
Bobby Rahal
1998
Reynard/Ford
Fontana
Rahal's last race.....


Very Close ... Wrong Track

[Chris R]

Michigan??

[Blancvino]

Michigan??


You got it!

You're up!

[Chris R]

ok, here's the next one.....

[Chris R]

btw - anybody see the beautiful field of old Indy roadsters in this week's Autoweek (From Pebble Beach...)???

[szautke]

ok, here's the next one.....

1987, Geoff Brabham, March 87C-Cosworth,

now the tough part, I'll say Nazareth(?).

[Chris R]

1987, Geoff Brabham, March 87C-Cosworth,

now the tough part, I'll say Nazareth(?).

very very close - everything but the engine.....

I thought it might be more of a stumper.....

[champcarray]

Speaking of Indy roadsters, I was at Lime Rock Park yesterday here in CT for their annual Labor Day weekend vintage racing festival. May I post a few pics of the old roadsters that were there?

[Blancvino]

very very close - everything but the engine.....

I thought it might be more of a stumper.....

Judd

[Chris R]

yes, it was a Judd engine....

Since Blancvino got the last piece of the puzzle we'll call it his turn.....

Champcarray, Pictures of old Indy cars - even if they are taken now - are always welcome here!!!!

[Blancvino]

yes, it was a Judd engine....

Since Blancvino got the last piece of the puzzle we'll call it his turn.....

Champcarray, Pictures of old Indy cars - even if they are taken now - are always welcome here!!!!

I knew right away it was a Judd but waited several days to let szautke a chance to get the right engine. I will put up a new picture tonight or tomorrow morning.

[Blancvino]

Driver, Car, Year, Track - Bonus ... Engine

[Alexamateo]

Mario Andretti
Lola T8800-Chevy A
Michigan
1988

[Blancvino]

Mario Andretti
Lola T8800-Chevy A
Michigan
1988

Right driver, car, year

Wrong track

[champcarray]

I'll throw my hat in the ring for Pocono. The track surface certainly looks crappy enough!

[Alexamateo]

^^^^^^^^

What he said! :D

[Phoenixent]

Driver-Mario Andretti
Car-Lola T8800-Chevy A
Track-Indianapolis
Year-1988

[Blancvino]

Driver-Mario Andretti
Car-Lola T8800-Chevy A
Track-Indianapolis
Year-1988

You rock! I even cropped the picture to help throw off the track.

Your are up!

[Phoenixent]

You rock! I even cropped the picture to help throw off the track.

Your are up!

Nice photo. :up:

Most don't know how bad the surface was back then at Indy. Good way to keep everyone guessing. :D

New Photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter14.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/13/008/55/F8/F2/E9/npTm2WMO3GE14a9wv2WATVz1jyCcE2f00190.jpg

[Mihai]

Jovy Marcelo
Euromotorsports Lola-Cosworth
Surfers Paradise 1992

[Phoenixent]

Jovy Marcelo
Euromotorsports Lola-Cosworth
Surfers Paradise 1992

You Are Correct. :up:

Nice looking car they ran at Surfers for Jovy. It only the second gold car that I have seen.
RIP Jovy we will always remember you. :(

Your Turn.

[Civic]

I never could find much info on Jovy Marcelo. I know he raced against Vasser in Atlantics. For those who watched Atlantics back then, how good was Jovy? I've heard King Hiro was really good in Atlantics, but we all know how he did in Champ Car.

I talked to Andreas Leberle at Fontana (the guy behind Project CART/Project Indy/Project Racing Group/etc) and he said he still keeps in touch with Jovy's dad. Some of you may have also noticed that Leberle's cars usually had sponsorship from "Marcelo Group".

[ykiki]

I never could find much info on Jovy Marcelo. I know he raced against Vasser in Atlantics. For those who watched Atlantics back then, how good was Jovy? I've heard King Hiro was really good in Atlantics, but we all know how he did in Champ Car.

I talked to Andreas Leberle at Fontana (the guy behind Project CART/Project Indy/Project Racing Group/etc) and he said he still keeps in touch with Jovy's dad. Some of you may have also noticed that Leberle's cars usually had sponsorship from "Marcelo Group".

I totally agree. From time to time I do a google search for info on Jovy Marcello, but I don't usually come up with much. A few references to his accident at Indy (and really nothing deeper than name & date stuff), but that's about it. Having a hard time finding pictures too.

I didn't know much about him before he got to CART, but I like to root for the underdog, and when I found out there was a Filipino driver, I knew he'd be my favorite. Unfortunately, his career was waaaay too short. :(

I often times wonder how different the racing world would be with drivers from such diverse locales as the Philippines and Uruguay (Gonzalo Rodriguez)?

[Alexamateo]

Jovy won the 1991 Atlantics championship over Jimmy Vasser. Jimmy had 6 wins to Jovy's 2 (13 total races), but had a much worse finishing record. They both moved up into CART in 1992.

'king Hiro won the 1989 Atlantics West division championship with 4 wins including Long Beach over Joe Sposato and Mark Dismore.

[champcarray]

I promised you guys I would share a couple of photos I took at Lime Rock's Vintage Festival over Labor Day weekend. Feel free to submit your driver/car/year responses, but these aren't part of the "official" thread.

[champcarray]

And from the back...

[champcarray]

You might enjoy this photo, too. It's something else watching these guys tackling the esses at Lime Rock perched way up high in their pre-WWII race cars! The first 3 cars in line are American champ cars from the 1930s. I think the last one in line is a Maserati grand prix car, but I could be wrong.

[champcarray]

Mihai, it's still your turn...

[Chris R]

champcarray - awesome pics!!

[Mihai]

Sorry for the delay. I just came back from a hillclimbing event.

Since you were talking about the Atlantics, here's an Atlantics pic. The name of the driver would be enough.

[Phoenixent]

Since you were talking about the Atlantics, here's an Atlantics pic. The name of the driver would be enough.

Driver - Andrew Bordin
Car - Swift 008.a-Toyota
Year- 2000

[Mihai]

Driver - Andrew Bordin
Car - Swift 008.a-Toyota
Year- 2000

Very good! Your turn now.

[Phoenixent]

Nice photo of Andrews car. He did very well in the Atlantic with 5 wins in three seasons and finishing in the top 3 in points for those years.

New photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter11.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/12/004/0B/DF/63/1C/bhCkeqDBk-S-PvepRHIxfW5grasmx8rE0148.jpg

[Alexamateo]

Sheldon Kinser
Indy 1981
Longhorn-Cosworth

The first race I ever went to :) (other than Riverside in West Memphis, AR (1/4 mile dirt)) :p :

[Phoenixent]

Sheldon Kinser
Indy 1981
Longhorn-Cosworth

The first race I ever went to :) (other than Riverside in West Memphis, AR (1/4 mile dirt)) :p :

You are Correct AM. :up:

Your Turn. :)

[Alexamateo]

Here's the next one!

[Mihai]

Dick Ferguson
somewhere 1984
Eagle-Cosworth

[Alexamateo]

You got it Mihai!

The track is Long Beach and Dick was a DNQ for the weekend, you're up.

[Mihai]

Damn, I'm getting that feeling again! That I can crack any picture. :p

Name both drivers please:

[Civic]

Max Papis
Reynard-Ford
Toronto
1999

[Alexamateo]

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=208476

An interesting thread from another forum.

[Mihai]

Max Papis
Reynard-Ford
Toronto
1999

There's one more driver in the picture...

[Civic]

Bryan Herta. =)

[Mihai]

Yep, it's him! :up:

[Civic]

I want the info for both cars.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a222/HybridsRacing/tanggarcia.jpg

[Alexamateo]

"Tang" car is Luiz Garcia Reynard Ford, Other car is PJ Jones in a Swift. Year is 1999 and track is Long Beach(?)

[Civic]

You got PJ Jones and the year right. Track is wrong.

[Alexamateo]

Dennis Vitolo @ Toronto 1999. I thought with Petrobras on the car the driver had to be Brazilian, but no.

[Civic]

Vitolo is the driver and Toronto is the track. But there's a bonus question! What model year is that Reynard? =)

[Phoenixent]

But there's a bonus question! What model year is that Reynard? =)

Reynard 98I :D

[Civic]

Correct, but it's still Alexamateo's turn!

[Alexamateo]

I cannot seem to attach a photo (see Pino's announcement) If anyone has a direct link photo and wants to post something, please feel free to do so. :)

[Alexamateo]

Since the forum is fixed now, I'll post the next one.

The usual info on both cars please.

[Alexamateo]

Bumping this back to the top. Also, I found this on another forum and thought as a bonus to see if anybody can identify the people in the photo.

Zoomie, if you're out there, I hope you don't mind and thanks for those great old photos. :) :up:

[Phoenixent]

Since the forum is fixed now, I'll post the next one.

The usual info on both cars please.

Just finished up a project and see there was no takers on this. So I will give it a try. :)

Drivers- A.J. Foyt Jr. and Roger Ward
Cars- Watson-Offy Roadster and Watson-Offy Rear Engine.
Year- 1964
Track- Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

[Chris R]

The people photo "bonus":

Looks like one of the Mickey Thompson "skate" cars with the Buick or Chevy motor...

I am going to guess it is Indy in 1963 and the kid in the car is Pancho Carter and one of the other guy is Duane Carter. Probably Mickey Thompson and I wonder if the mechanic is Grant King (don't even know if he worked oon those cars - just a hunch...).....

[Alexamateo]

Just finished up a project and see there was no takers on this. So I will give it a try. :)

Drivers- A.J. Foyt Jr. and Roger Ward
Cars- Watson-Offy Roadster and Watson-Offy Rear Engine.
Year- 1964
Track- Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

Everything is right except the track.

[Alexamateo]

The people photo "bonus":

Looks like one of the Mickey Thompson "skate" cars with the Buick or Chevy motor...

I am going to guess it is Indy in 1963 and the kid in the car is Pancho Carter and one of the other guy is Duane Carter. Probably Mickey Thompson and I wonder if the mechanic is Grant King (don't even know if he worked oon those cars - just a hunch...).....

Chris, You're correct, that is indeed a young Pancho Carter sitting in his dad's Mickey Thompson built rear engine cars in 1963. The mechanic in the photo is not identified, so I don't know who that is.

[Phoenixent]

Everything is right except the track.

Trenton

[Alexamateo]

The people photo "bonus":

Looks like one of the Mickey Thompson "skate" cars with the Buick or Chevy motor...

I am going to guess it is Indy in 1963 and the kid in the car is Pancho Carter and one of the other guy is Duane Carter. Probably Mickey Thompson and I wonder if the mechanic is Grant King (don't even know if he worked oon those cars - just a hunch...).....

Some more info on the photo from another forum:



I found out from a person more intelligent than me that the guy who Duane has his arm around in the light colored sweater is Billy Krause.

Excerpt from an interesting interview with Krause:

THE BILL KRAUSE INTERVIEW by Willem Oosthoek


Quote:

WO: After Daytona 1963 Chevrolet closed the door but you still had Mickey’s Indianapolis program.

BK: The Indy cars constructed by Mickey had those little controversial 12 inch wheels and we tested them at a Firestone test track in Texas, a 7-mile oval in the middle of the desert. But that track did not offer enough high friction so we couldn’t find out much about the adhesion and handling characteristics of those tires. Firestone was nervous about their use and made real hard rubber compounds for them. It showed! When they let go during practice at Indy there was no warning. When I spun the car I had no clue. It was just gone, lost traction. Usually you have a little warning. It was zero. I was straight and I was sideways. I spun in turn 1 and ended up in turn 2, never touching the brakes. And I would not have hit anything if Roger McCluskey’s roadster hadn’t run into me.

WO: Nobody could qualify those cars. Graham Hill couldn’t. Masten Gregory couldn’t.

BK: Well actually Duane Carter did. But there was too much confusion in the team. Mickey had 6 cars entered. Three days in a row, when I was doing 200 mph on the back straightaway, the hot oil would come out and the wind would blow it in my face and goggles. I lost confidence. I didn’t feel comfortable. I probably could have qualified the car but I couldn’t have driven it with 32 other guys because I couldn’t tell where it was going. So I decided to pack up and go home to California. At that point I decided I should stick with making a living and pursue my business interests. I had lost my motivation. Indy changed my attitude. I did race after that but it was never the same.

[Alexamateo]

Trenton
Phoenix, It's Milwaukee. I had cropped the original down and if you could see it, you'd recognize it as Milwaukee. Why don't you go ahead.

[Phoenixent]

Phoenix, It's Milwaukee. I had cropped the original down and if you could see it, you'd recognize it as Milwaukee. Why don't you go ahead.

Thanks AM. :up: Didn't know that The Mile looked so green in the corners.

New photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter13.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/14/002/77/F0/E9/21/aqRZl6CP5DnT6iTKY+tTI5+PhDJFxT0q01F4.jpg

[Chris R]

Total guess just to getthings going....

Darren Manning
Reynard-Ford
Rockingham
2000

[Civic]

That looks like Max Papis' helmet. But I don't think it's him. I'm sure the car is an R99I.

[Phoenixent]

Total guess just to getthings going....

Darren Manning
Reynard-Ford
Rockingham
2000

Right Car, Right Year. :up:
Wrong Tack and Driver. :(

[Phoenixent]

That looks like Max Papis' helmet. But I don't think it's him. I'm sure the car is an R99I.

You are Rigth it is a 99I. :up:

[Civic]

That looks like the bottom of the corkscrew at Laguna Seca. Did that car belong to Leberles' team (Project Racing Group)?

[Civic]

I was going over some pics from the past few Long Beach races and I see a familiar looking helmet peeking out from a Lola. Is that Michael Krumm in a PRG Reynard at Laguna Seca?

[Phoenixent]

I was going over some pics from the past few Long Beach races and I see a familiar looking helmet peeking out from a Lola. Is that Michael Krumm in a PRG Reynard at Laguna Seca?

You are Correct. :up:

That is Michael in a Reynard at Laguna.

It is your turn. Nice call on the chassis year. :D

[Civic]

R99I is my favorite Reynard for some reason. Maybe because JPM (my favorite driver) won the title that season.

I'll try to find a stumper for the next one.

[Civic]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a222/HybridsRacing/penske_ribeiro.jpg

[BobGarage]

Tarso Marques
Penske pc27b
1999
track - could be one of 5, i'll guess.... Long beach

[Civic]

I guess that was too easy. Your turn.

[BobGarage]

sorry for the delay posting a new photo.... an easyish one...

the usual please...

[mlv]

Jon Beekhuis
LolaT89-Judd
Elkhart Lake
1990

[BobGarage]

yes it is.

your turn

[mlv]

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9492/whozm4.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whozm4.jpg)
Usual questions...

[Chris R]

Mike Groff
Long Beach - 1991
Euromotorsport Lola-Cosworth

[mlv]

Euromotorsport Lola-Cosworth is correct,everything else wrong...

[mlv]

Euromotorsport Lola-Cosworth at Long Beach is correct,everything else wrong...

[Phoenixent]

Euromotorsport Lola-Cosworth at Long Beach is correct,everything else wrong...

mlv I think that your track is wrong. :D

Driver- Jean-Pierre Frey
Year- 1989
Car- Lola T88-Cosworth
Track- Detroit

Did not Start the race.

[mlv]

Your turn Phoenixent - actually i`m not 100% sure about the track, but the image must be taken either Detroit or Long Beach practice. Firstly i thought about DET as well but Chris confused me a bit...

[Phoenixent]

Your turn Phoenixent - actually i`m not 100% sure about the track, but the image must be taken either Detroit or Long Beach practice. Firstly i thought about DET as well but Chris confused me a bit...

Nice photo. Like the helmet he is wearing it's another "Star Blazers" style paint job. :D

New Photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter12.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/11/008/7F/F7/09/8F/QiEDD43DphWQB+9Hb7VibCb1Mos0Psmo0190.jpg

[mlv]

Al Unser
Penske PC16-Chevy
Miami 1987 (practice)
Very rare photo.
Unser actually opted to run Penske`s 3rd March 86C at Miami but put it into the wall in friday morning practice. Then he was forced to use team`s only backup available - the unloved PC16 but his qualification time was too slow. The race organizers gave him chance to start under the "promoter`s option" rule but Roger Penske rejected it.

[Phoenixent]

Al Unser
Penske PC16-Chevy
Miami 1987 (practice)
Very rare photo.
Unser actually opted to run Penske`s 3rd March 86C at Miami but put it into the wall in friday morning practice. Then he was forced to use team`s only backup available - the unloved PC16 but his qualification time was too slow. The race organizers gave him chance to start under the "promoter`s option" rule but Roger Penske rejected it.


You are Correct. :up:

I sure would like to find a photo of March 86C #9 at Miami for my Al Unser collection. :)

Your Turn.

[mlv]

You are Correct. :up:

I sure would like to find a photo of March 86C #9 at Miami for my Al Unser collection. :)


So am i...

Ok, lets try this.
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4760/whoax2.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whoax2.jpg)
?

[Chris R]

Jerry Karl
Penske PC-7 Cosworth
Cleveland
1982

back from the days when a plastering company was a fine sponsor!!

[mlv]

Correct
Your turn Chris.

[Walter Zoomie]

Bumping this back to the top. Also, I found this on another forum and thought as a bonus to see if anybody can identify the people in the photo.

Zoomie, if you're out there, I hope you don't mind and thanks for those great old photos. :) :up:

Ah yes....I'm always lurking. No prob Alex. ;)

[Chris R]

If Zoomie would like to take my turn please feel free (sounds like you have some good pics to share!) - I'm on my own watching the kids this weekend and need to find some new photos - so I won't be able to post a new one until Monday....

[Chris R]

ok, got some time this morning - here's the next one.....

[Walter Zoomie]

Indy, an Eagle, a Smokey Yunick rig...Denis Hulme 1967

[Chris R]

Zoomie has it!! Your turn!! and welcome to the thread!!

[Walter Zoomie]

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8018/17088468pp1.jpg

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Randy Lanier
Year- 1986
Car- March 86C-Cosworth
Track- Indianapolis Motor Speedway

[Walter Zoomie]

bingo

[Phoenixent]

bingo

Nice photo Walter. :up:

The March 86C is in my top five of favorite Championship Cars.

New photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, & Year

http://shutter13.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/11/007/5F/FF/AF/F6/W1CUpOlNwwmlkwn80tcJNUPOQAOCqnk0012C.jpg

[Walter Zoomie]

It looks very McLaren-ish to me, but I'm gonna guess Eldon Rasmussen, 1975, Rascar (whatever that is), FoytTC (Offy?)...track maybe Milwaukee or Trenton?

[Phoenixent]

It looks very McLaren-ish to me, but I'm gonna guess Eldon Rasmussen, 1975, Rascar (whatever that is), FoytTC (Offy?)...track maybe Milwaukee or Trenton?

You are Correct. :up:

I think it's Milwaukee but not sure.

Your Turn.

[Walter Zoomie]

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6173/99841148sq7.jpg

Not 100% sure about track...

[Alexamateo]

Roger McCluskey
Eagle Ford
1966
Indy?

[Walter Zoomie]

yeppers

[Alexamateo]

Driver, Car, Track, Year

Bonus points for naming any other car! ;)

[Walter Zoomie]

Got me on this one, although the first car looks again McLaren-ish, mid-70's I'd say, I don't know why we'd see the USAC Champ dirt/sprint type rigs on the same track...

I figure the days of seeing front engined rigs compete against RE cars, ala Indianapolis Raceway Park road course or Milwaukee, were pretty much over by the time McLarens came along.

Obviously, this image is a well-done Photoshop forgery! ;)

[Alexamateo]

McLaren is correct. As Phoenixent would say, "Keep Digging!" :)

[Chris R]

That looks likethe Red Roof Inns McLaren that Vern Schuppan drove - How about Pocono in 1980 where they started some dirt track cars atthe USAC race to fill the field.....

[Chris R]

Actually, it is Pocono i 1981 with Schuppan in a McLarne Cosworth....

To think, they used dirt cars to fill the field but they still had 21 (by my count) "real" indycars in the field... Perhaps the IRL and OWRS can leanr from this can you imagine a WoO car at Long Beach??? :)

[Alexamateo]

Actually, it is Pocono i 1981 with Schuppan in a McLarne Cosworth....

To think, they used dirt cars to fill the field but they still had 21 (by my count) "real" indycars in the field... Perhaps the IRL and OWRS can leanr from this can you imagine a WoO car at Long Beach??? :)

That's it! They were embarrassed to only have 21 cars so 8 Silver Crown cars filled out the field to make it a more respectable 29. It would prove to be AJ Foyt's last win as a driver. THis was back during the original "split", and Tom Sneva, Vern Schuppan, and Geoff Brabham "crossed the picket line" so to speak. It seems to have been a pretty good race, Foyt and Sneva swapped the lead 7 or 8 times before Sneva dropped out on lap 79, and then Geoff Brabham and Tom Bigelow joined in, and Foyt took the lead from Brabham 3 laps before rain shortened the race at 122 laps. Mark Alderson was the highest placed Silver Crown car 18 laps down. That's Smokey Snellbaker in the #54, and I can't identify the other driver.

[Chris R]

pretty interesting stuff.... I wonder what the pace car is - almost looks like an Opel Manta or maybe an early Mazda RX-7....

I guess it just goes to show that history repeats itself - however what is more absurd - filling a field with dirt track cars or running 17???

AJ did go on to do some winning in sports cars - but it was a bit of an odd last Indycar win for a storied career...

ok - here's hte next one - I jsut have to hope I can rememberthe details!!! :D it has been sitting on my computer for a while....

[Alexamateo]

AJ did go on to do some winning in sports cars - but it was a bit of an odd last Indycar win for a storied career...

....

Oh yeah, I forgot, he won the 24 hours of Daytona 2 years in a row. You know, for as huge a fan of Foyt as I was, I only ever saw him win 2 races on tv, those two races. I was too young/not paying attention before that. (not to mention not even born yet for a big chunk of his career.)

[Chris R]

Alex, you and me both - AJ was my racing hero when I was growing up - but he was already past his prime...

I am not sure I even saw him win a race on TV. I do rember being pretty pumped about his start at Indy in 1981 and the first couple of "real" laps of the 1982 race after he beat his car with a hammer and led the race on the shear power of anger.... I think the start of the 1982 race really showed me the extent of his talent/determination even if it was a short lived incident...

I saw him race at the Meadowlands in 1984 and Portland in 1990 - but it was actually kind of sad by that point....

[Alexamateo]

ok - here's hte next one - I jsut have to hope I can rememberthe details!!! :D it has been sitting on my computer for a while....

It looks like Dan Gurney in the Lotus Ford #91, and Rodger Ward in the Watson RE Ford, but I cannot find any record of those two cars being on the same track at the same time.

[Chris R]

Nope, not Ward, or a Watson - a little later than that.... I do not think the otehr driver is Gurney either

[Phoenixent]

Drivers- Car #1 Mario Andretti and Car #91 Mike Mosley
Year- 1967
Car- Car #1 Brawner Hawk-Ford and Car #91 Watson-Ford
Track- Trenton

[Chris R]

I gotta say guys , I shouldn't have posted this one because I have totally lost my source for it!!

I think it is 1966 (the 1967 Brawner had little winglets on the nose) and the best I can figure it Phoenix in the Fall and that is Bobby Unser in a Gerhardt-Ford next to Mario...

If someone can re-verify for me that would be cool - sorry for the faux-pas!! :(

Anyhow, since Phoenix got in the ballpark you are up!!

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, & Year

:) Looks can be deceiving. :)

http://shutter13.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/12/008/7F/BD/11/44/FgmbByOv2ThFUFQ7Q4PLtosaBk0lfUDP0190.jpg

[Alexamateo]

1980
Penske PC-9
Mario Andretti

Maybe?

[Chris R]

It looks like a Phoenix or Wildcat (same car??) - In MArio Andretti's 1980 colors - maybe it was in late 1980 when he was switching to Patrick....

Cool photo!

[Phoenixent]

It looks like a Phoenix or Wildcat (same car??) - In MArio Andretti's 1980 colors - maybe it was in late 1980 when he was switching to Patrick....

Cool photo!

You are Correct. :up:

This photo was of the Phoenix which word was made by Williams. Don't know for sure but some one will.

Your Turn.

[Chris R]

I just checked the 1980 Indy 500 yearbook - this looks like the car they called a Wildcat PR-001. The Phoenix (or at least what they called a Phoenix at Patrick Racing) looked different - alot like the Longhorn that was supposedly pretty much a Williams FW07....

If I recall correctly, you (Phoenix) said that the 1981 Coyote was actually a re-worked 1980 Wildcat...

There was a lot of car building and badging going on in the early 1980's - can anybody shed any light on the stories behind these cars....

To add my own little story - Tom Sneva did an off-season PR appearance at a local K-Mart in 1981 or 1982 (I am thinking it was before he won the 500 - so winter of 81-82). He had a car there (the first Indycar I ever saw up close) - being the sharp-eyed young fan - I asked him if it was a Phoenix or March (it had a Phoenix nose but somewhere on the car was a March nameplate) - he said it was a Phoenix/March combo that George Bignotti had put together.... maybe it was just a show car... Anyway, he was a real nice guy and very accomodating to all of the young fans there....

I'll have a picture tomorrow....