Name that Car 2

[Phoenixent]

Vow
It is Bill Finley built Eagle replica driven by Chuck Ciprich randomly in 1983 with stock-block Chevy power. Is it Pocono? Very rare image.

You are Correct. :up:

When I first looked at this photo I thought it was an Eagle. But then I looked closer and the roll bar is different along with other small bits.

Your Turn.

[Chris R]

great photo!

why would someone build a copy an only moderately successful car (that was readily available on the market for probably less than it cost Finely to build his own)?

I wonder if the Zephyr engine ever saw this car?? :D

[mlv]

You are Correct. :up:

When I first looked at this photo I thought it was an Eagle. But then I looked closer and the roll bar is different along with other small bits.

Your Turn.

BTW this car called Finley still exist and complitely restored as it was in 1983.

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7905/whouj1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Usual questions.

[Alexamateo]

Davy Jones
March 86c
1987
Michigan

[mlv]

Davy Jones
March 86c
1987
Michigan

Correct, your turn...

[Alexamateo]

Driver, Car, Year Track if you can, I know the track, but I don't really see any visual clues to recognize it.

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Greg Weld
Year- 1969
Car- Gerhardt-Offy
Track- Trenton

[Alexamateo]

Phoenix has it.

As I am sure many of you know, Greg Weld passed away suddenly last week. A few weeks before this photo, he started this car at Milwaukee, and avoided a first lap wreck that eliminated 10 cars. In the ensuing red flag, teammate Art Pollard (who had been eliminated) took over the car and carried it to victory lane, making Greg a co-winner of sorts, although he only drove 1 lap. Regardless, that same summer, Greg won 4 consecutive pole positions on the mile dirt tracks.

An excellent dirt driver, He won the Knoxville Nationals at 19, was runner-up to Johnny Rutherford in the USAC sprints as a rookie in 1965, and USAC Sprint champion in 1967.

He retired at a relatively young 30. The story goes, he was complaining to his dad that he couldn't get decent quality wheels, so his dad said, "Why don't you build your own?" He did and it developed into Weld Racing Wheels. He retired to concentrate on his business.

Thoughts and prayers to his family.

You're up next Phoenix.

[Phoenixent]

AM that was a Great Photo. :up:

I have the a photo of the 57 car at Milwaukee with Art Pollard driving it which is also a cool photo. I believe that the Milwaukee win with Greg Weld/Art Pollard was the last shared win in Indycar racing. It's not something you can do today with fitted seats for the drivers. They can change them in the car but it would take alot of time to do and go down several laps.

New Photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter10.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/27/002/3F/6F/97/46/NKrammqoLp9nyltZ5YIPtQ8xq1lB2+pb0190.jpg

[Bob Riebe]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter10.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/27/002/3F/6F/97/46/NKrammqoLp9nyltZ5YIPtQ8xq1lB2+pb0190.jpg

The extremely rare oval tired squatty mk1!

[Phoenixent]

Hello. :rolleyes:

[Chris R]

I'll take a stab in the dark to get it rolling:

1963
Johnny Rutherford
Turner/Chevy
Trenton

I really am not sure - but the engine does not quite look like an Offy and the tires seem like wider 1963ish but not quite 1964 wide.... Funky "wall" like a movie set or photo shoot.....

[Bob Riebe]

Jim Hurtubise, Kuzma Offy, 1963

[Phoenixent]

I'll take a stab in the dark to get it rolling:

1963
Johnny Rutherford
Turner/Chevy
Trenton

I really am not sure - but the engine does not quite look like an Offy and the tires seem like wider 1963ish but not quite 1964 wide.... Funky "wall" like a movie set or photo shoot.....

Keep Digging. :)

[Phoenixent]

Jim Hurtubise, Kuzma Offy, 1963

Right Motor.

Keep Digging. :)

[Chris R]

Let's try:
Jack Conely
Milwaukee
1961
Dunn-Offy

[Phoenixent]

Let's try:
Jack Conely
Milwaukee
1961
Dunn-Offy

Right Track, and Car. :up:

[Chris R]

ok, I'll work backwards :p

Chuck Rodee in 1960

[Phoenixent]

ok, I'll work backwards :p

Chuck Rodee in 1960

You are correct. :bounce:

It's fun going backwards sometimes :D

Your Turn Chris

[Chris R]

ok, here is the next:

[Bob Riebe]

ok, here is the next:
Johnny Rutherford Watson Offy 1964

[Chris R]

Johnny Rutherford Watson Offy 1964

You've got it - guess thiswas the original "Yellow Submarine"..... ;)

your turn

[Bob Riebe]

.

[Chris R]

Bob, Any chance you can give us some direction on this one since it is clearly not an Indycar or Champcar. As far as I am concerned an OT car is ok once in a while, especially if it has some connection to the general "Indycar" lineage/heritage....

I am guessing this is some sort of supermodified - perhaps a Tipke -otherwise I know very little about that scene....

[Bob Riebe]

Start looking on the east side of the country

[Bob Riebe]

Start looking on the east side of the country
The car ran among other RE cars driven by gents who did or tried to run at Indy.

[Chris R]

hmmm Retrorockets seems to be having issues - keeps saying "this site may harm your computer"...

I have been looking around and am going to guess this is Oswego - but cannot nail down anything else at the moment.... The pictures I have been finding don't really seem to fit this car - they go from pretty back-yard looking to fancy front engine machines pretty quickly..... this looks liek a well finished rear engine machine - more modern but it seems like they have been banned for quite a while.....

[Bob Riebe]

hmmm Retrorockets seems to be having issues - keeps saying "this site may harm your computer"...

I have been looking around and am going to guess this is Oswego - but cannot nail down anything else at the moment.... The pictures I have been finding don't really seem to fit this car - they go from pretty back-yard looking to fancy front engine machines pretty quickly..... this looks liek a well finished rear engine machine - more modern but it seems like they have been banned for quite a while.....
Oswego it is, and if you find the driver you will also get the car builder info, but it is not the driver. (there were several variations of this car.)

[champcarray]

What's an "RE car"?

[Bob Riebe]

What's an "RE car"?
Rear-engined

[Chris R]

I am gonna say the car is a Duncan - best guess for driver so fa is Johnny Spencer and year - guessing 1974-1976

[Bob Riebe]

I am gonna say the car is a Duncan - best guess for driver so fa is Johnny Spencer and year - guessing 1974-1976
The year is 1970 but otherwise you are correct; that is my favorite R-E super. I would have loved to see those race on a road course, especially since I just found out that the first year Riverside open they had a 500 mile race there for sprint cars.

You turn.
Bob

[Chris R]

While off-topic, I have the say the super-modifieds look pretty interesting - there is probably something to be learned there for the next Indycar formula....

Here is the next one:

[Mihai]

Jim Rathmann
#5 Watson-Offy (John Zink Special)
Monza 500 race
1958

[Chris R]

right car
wrong year
wrong track
wrong driver

keep digging ;)

[Mihai]

Troy Ruttman @ Indianapolis
1957 Indy 500 ?

[Chris R]

getting warmer - right track - moving in the wrong direction on the year....

keep digging ;)

[Mihai]

Sorry for the delay, it slipped out of my mind.

Pat Flaherty
#18 John Zink Watson-Offy
1959 Indy 500

[Chris R]

no problem.

very warm,
right year
right track/race
wrong driver (right team - 2 cars...)
debatably wrong car (depends on what source you believe)

[Mihai]

Then it can only be Bob Veith and his #7 Moore-Offy.

It took me a week to guess. How pathetic is that ? http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/gr8link/orn/00.gif

[Chris R]

you got it!!

a week, a day - no matter- you got it.... ;)

your turn!

[Mihai]

OK, the usual please :

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/948/pitsactionat7.jpg

[Alexamateo]

Joe Leonard
Colt-Ford
1970 Indianapolis

[Phoenixent]

Driver-Al Unser
Car-Colt-Ford
Year-1970
Track-Indianapolis

[Mihai]

It's Big Al. Phoenix got it. :up:

[Alexamateo]

Wrong Johnny Lightning car, I was thinking the # on the pit wall had something to do with the car # and AL was #2 that year. Oh well. :)

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter02.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/15/007/74/7E/F8/F4/ao1W7qlsX69xpFNaRPzfssYUm134xj-A0190.jpg

[Chris R]

Mark Donahue
1970
Lola-ford
Indy - finished second

[Phoenixent]

Mark Donahue
1970
Lola-ford
Indy - finished second

Right Driver and Car. :up:

[Bob Riebe]

Right Driver and Car. :up:
Michigan

[Phoenixent]

Michigan

Nice track but it's not that big.

Keep Digging.

[Mihai]

Ontario ?

[Phoenixent]

Ontario ?

Nope wrong end of the country.

Keep Digging. :D

We have the correct car and driver posted by ChrisR. We just need the track and year.

[Chris R]

Let's go with Trenton in 1971 - before the M-16 arrived.....

[Phoenixent]

Let's go with Trenton in 1971 - before the M-16 arrived.....

You are correct Chris. This photo sure kept everyone digging.

Your Turn. :)

[Chris R]

the usual please - my personal comment is that it could not look too much more like an engine strapped to a driver could it??

[Alexamateo]

That's Eddie Sachs in the ill-fated Halibrand Ford in 1964 @ Indy.

[Chris R]

Alex has it - a picture like that makes you wonder why those guys would actually get in a car like that - it has "death trap" written all over it..... It was almost literally an engine, a fuel tank and a driver and the poor driver had no protection from much of anything....

your turn.....

[Alexamateo]

Different era, different mindset. I was reminded of this when Phil Hill passed away recently. He only got his chance in Formula One, because Peter Collins and Luigi Musso were both killed thereby moving He and Von Trips to the top tier. It was just an accepted risk then that we don't accept now.

Anyway, Drivers cars, Track, Year.

[garyshell]

???, Laguna Seca, 1971.

Gary

[ykiki]

4 - Tom Sneva March 84C
18 - Geoff Brabham March 84C
34 - Randy Lewis March 82C

Leguna Seca 1984

[Chris R]

4 - Tom Sneva March 84C
18 - Geoff Brabham March 84C
34 - Randy Lewis March 82C

Leguna Seca 1984


Looks like Lewis has a small camber problem :eek:

[decartfan]

Let's go with Trenton in 1971 - before the M-16 arrived.....

I think the answer to the Donohue photo is wrong. In 1971 he ran the #68 Lola-Offy but this photo shows a #66 Lola-Ford, so must be 1970 and a different track then.

[Alexamateo]

???, Laguna Seca, 1971.

Gary

Right Track!

[Alexamateo]

4 - Tom Sneva March 84C
18 - Geoff Brabham March 84C
34 - Randy Lewis March 82C

Leguna Seca 1984

You got it! :) :up:




Looks like Lewis has a small camber problem :eek:


He's reason out is listed as "lost wheel" so I think he's fixin' to lose it not long after this photo :p :

[Phoenixent]

I think the answer to the Donohue photo is wrong. In 1971 he ran the #68 Lola-Offy but this photo shows a #66 Lola-Ford, so must be 1970 and a different track then.

I knew I should have researched this photo more. Just ID it by what was on the back of it. Looks to be 1970 Ontario with that combo plus the full face helmet. Thanks :D

[ykiki]

I like playing the guessing game, but don't come here loaded with lots of pics - so if anyone would like to post a photo in my place, feel free.

[Bob Riebe]

;

[dataman1]

Here's my guess, this may have been my first Indy 500 if I am right.

Year & Track: 1960 Indy 500
Driver: Al Herman
Car: Ewing
Engine: Offenhauser

[Bob Riebe]

Here's my guess, this may have been my first Indy 500 if I am right.

Year & Track: 1960 Indy 500
Driver: Al Herman
Car: Ewing
Engine: OffenhauserWRONG but right track & engine.

[SoCalPVguy]

;

1974
Indy 500
Billy Scott
I-dont-know-what-the-hell-it-is / Offy
Did not qualify that year

[Alexamateo]

Bob Harkey
1973 Indy
Eagle70-Offy

[Bob Riebe]

Bob Harkey
1973 Indy
Eagle70-OffyBingo-give the man a ciiigar.

[SoCalPVguy]

Bob Harkey
1973 Indy
Eagle70-Offy

My research indicates Harkey drove #28 in the '73 500, pic shows #76, is it a car that did not qualify ?

[Bob Riebe]

My research indicates Harkey drove #28 in the '73 500, pic shows #76, is it a car that did not qualify ?
Could be, I only have the info that came with the photo.

[Alexamateo]

My research indicates Harkey drove #28 in the '73 500, pic shows #76, is it a car that did not qualify ?

He did, but you know how it was then for a veteran journeyman such as Harkey. Someone might get in two or three cars over the course of a month. Harkey was entered in the #76 Webster car, and Bentley Warren also drove it that month. He qualified the #28 Lindsay Hopkins car on the last day, which was entered as Mel Kenyon's backup. The #76 didn't qualify of course, and it might not have even made an attempt, although I am not sure of that.


Anyway, onto the next car(s)

[Mihai]

Tora Takagi
Reynard-Toyota (and the Ganassi Lola-Toyotas)
Chicago (?) 2002

[Alexamateo]

Right Driver, Car
Wrong Track, year.

[ykiki]

2001 Rockingham?

[Alexamateo]

2001 Rockingham?

That's it!

[ykiki]

Alright, here ya go.

[Phoenixent]

Driver- Fabrizio Barbazza
Year- 1992
Car- Lola T9000 - Buick
Track- Long Beach

[ykiki]

Driver- Fabrizio Barbazza
Year- 1992
Car- Lola T9000 - Buick
Track- Long Beach

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

[Phoenixent]

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

Thanks. :) mmmmmm Chicken

I was there that year and the car looked nice in the garage area but that Buick sounded awful on track. It's to bad that Barbazza did not get a better ride then to be injured in a WSC crash at Road Atlanta just finished the career of a real nice guy.

New photo coming up.

[Phoenixent]

Driver, Car, Year, & Track

http://shutter02.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/24/003/67/EF/AC/B2/fjQbnZAaUjxAGjPGNHJDqct+o7bniwJA0117.jpg

[Bob Riebe]

Rick Muther
Jack Adams Turbine
Rafaela
1971

[Phoenixent]

Rick Muther
Jack Adams Turbine
Rafaela
1971

You Are Correct Bob. :up:

Your Turn.

[Bob Riebe]

The usual routine

[Chris R]

Lloyd Ruby
1972
Indy
Lola-Foyt/Ford

[Bob Riebe]

wrong driver

[Chris R]

opps, that'd be Sam Sessions

[Bob Riebe]

opps, that'd be Sam SessionsBut of course.

[Chris R]

Well, since we can now include IRL in this thread:

[djarumdudley]

Tony Stewart
1999
G-Force-Aurora
Indianapolis

[Chris R]

Tony Stewart
1999
G-Force-Aurora
Indianapolis
close enough - it is a Dallara according to Champcarstats.com

your turn!

[djarumdudley]

here's the next.

[Chris R]

Eddie Cheever
1991 Lola Chevy
Detroit 1991

[djarumdudley]

everything's correct except for the track

[Mihai]

Long Beach ?

[Chris R]

Let's try Denver then....

[Chris R]

Let's try Denver then....

[djarumdudley]

neither.

[the bro]

Looks like Portland

[djarumdudley]

that it, your go.

[Alexamateo]

Since "The Bro" is missing in action. I'll jumpstart the thread again.

the usual info please.

How 'bout those superspeedway wings!? :D

[Bob Riebe]

Gary Benttenausen, Pocono 84

[Phoenixent]

Driver-Gary Bettenhausen
Car- March 83C-Cosworth
Year-1984
Track- Michigan

[Alexamateo]

Gary Benttenausen, Pocono 84

right driver, track & year



Driver-Gary Bettenhausen
Car- March 83C-Cosworth
Year-1984
Track- Michigan


right driver, car and year, although Phil Harms' data says its a March 84C.

Whoever wants to post next, go ahead. :)

[Alexamateo]

bumping back to the top for your entertainment

I am not sure of driver or year, there could be two possibilities, so either one is correct.

Driver(s)
Car
Track
Year(s)

[Mihai]

Thanks for reviving the thread. :up:

The only clear thing in this pic is the Indy pagoda.

Could that be the hideous 4WD car called 'Pat Clancy Special' and raced by Billy DeVore in 1948 ?

[Alexamateo]

Mihai has it!

Like I said, I am not sure who it is exactly, but the car, a 6 wheeled Kurtis-Offy appeared twice @ Indy. Billy Devore drove it to 12th in 1948, and Jackie Holmes dnf'd in 22nd in 1949.

You're up.

[Mihai]

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4406/pacecarix1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/gr8link/orn/00.gif The usual please :

car
driver
race
year

[garyshell]

Bobby Unser
Corvette
Indy 500
2006

[Mihai]

Car, event and year are correct, but the driver of the Vette Z06 pace-car is a bit younger than Bobby Unser...

[Chris R]

Lance Armstrong???

[Mihai]

Yep, Lance drove the Indy 500 pace car in 2006.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3701/lancecc4.jpg

Go 4 it, Chris! :up:

[Alexamateo]

You know, at a distance, Lance and Uncle Bobby kinda favor each other :D

[Chris R]

You know, at a distance, Lance and Uncle Bobby kinda favor each other :D

kinda scary huh??

[Chris R]

here is a new one....

[Mihai]

Arie Luyendyk
Fontana 1997
Reynard-Honda

[Mihai]

Please discard my previous message. I changed my mind and I can't edit my post. Here's my second guess :

Tony Stewart
2001 Indy 500
G-Force Oldsmobile

[Chris R]

It is Tony Stewart et al - Mihai's turn!!

[Mihai]

Here's an easy one :

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6342/triogw6.jpg

I hope I didn't use it already in this game.

[ykiki]

Lone Star JR - Chaparral Cosworth
Mario - Penske PC9 Cosworth
Uncle Bobby - Penske PC9 Cosworth
Indy 1980

[Mihai]

Yep, it's them!

Speaking of the lone star state, guess who presented the prize for pole-position at TMS a couple of years ago :

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/938/lonestarix6.jpg

It's yr turn ykiki :up:

[ykiki]

Johnny Rutherford was one of my favorites as a kid back in the 70's (I loved the Gatorade car), and the Chaparrel has to be my favorite Indy Cars of all time - I loved how the aerodynamics gave it such a different, futuristic look than its competitors.

Anyway, on to the next one...

[champcarray]

Mihai,

Thanks for posting that Indy pic. That Chapparal was gorgeous -- probably the best looking of all the Lotus 79 imitators.

[Chris R]

Mihai, That is one gorgeous front row!! The Essex car was really sharp and the Chapparal is a classic - I still find the early ground effects cars to be among the prettiest Indycars ever....
Thanks for the awesome shot!

[Chris R]

The new photo looks like Roberto Guererro in 1989 in a March / Alfa-Romeo - lets try Mid-Ohio

[nanders]

The new photo looks like Roberto Guererro in 1989 in a March / Alfa-Romeo - lets try Mid-Ohio

I believe that's Portland. The yellow grass gives that away. I think that's a 87 March though, isn't it?

[ykiki]

The new photo looks like Roberto Guererro in 1989 in a March / Alfa-Romeo - lets try Mid-Ohio


I believe that's Portland. The yellow grass gives that away. I think that's a 87 March though, isn't it?

Yes, it's Roberto Guererro. Now here comes the fun part...

It's also a March 89CE/Alfa Romeo + Chris R
However, it is in Portland + nanders

Congratulations guys, fight amongst yourselves to post the next pic. :D

[nanders]

Car year, track, sponsor and driver

[ykiki]

Car year, track, sponsor and driver

Niiiiiiiiiiiiice. Kind of looks like Homestead. A car of your's from a computer game?

[nanders]

Niiiiiiiiiiiiice. Kind of looks like Homestead. A car of your's from a computer game?

It's not homestead but it is my SIM car. :)

[Alexamateo]

Niles Anders (or is it Mark Donohue with that yellow helmet?) :)
Reynard Cosworth
Iowa Speedway :p :

[nanders]

It is a cosy :) The oval had those turquois walls for years?

[ykiki]

Aha! Colonel Mustard with the Lola at Michigan!

[ykiki]

If not, then I'll go with the Wrench in the Parlour.

[nanders]

lol ...

OK I can see this isn't as fun as I thought it was gonna be.

1995 Lola Cosworth, 1994 short oval wing package ala Payton-Coyne 95. The snap is from the end of pit lane at Phoenix 2006 ... I thought the turquois walls would give it away. Not to be confused with the sea green walls at Homestead. This car is based on the car Buddy Lazier drove at Michigan in 1995 and was the only 6 speed transmision car in the Payton-Coyne stable, the rest were 5 gear cars. All above facts are subject to corrections by Waldo.

My sponsor is the Bunny Ranch. For those of you who do not know what that is, there's always google. :cool:

The mod we use is iDT's 1995 CART IndyCar mod, http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=1995%20CART%20Season, that also contains the 1994 season. All cars have different engine, tire and chassis specifications and yes the Penske's are slower on the super speedways.

Mod maker iDT was the official maker of simulations for Champcar and did the 06 and 07 dp01 mods that were at most real races for hospitality and are now available for free downloading as an add-on for rFactor http://rfactor.net/ at http://www.rfactorcentral.com/.

The league I run in is MNRL's MIRL division http://www.mnrlonline.com/, that AJ Dinger has a little history in, and after the first 3 races of this season yours truly is 3rd over-all in the points: http://racepointsmanager.com/pm3/?league=1290&o=standings&s=1

And for those of you who just can't get over the CART days, like me, for a mere 3 to 4 thousand dollar investment you can re-live it by driving the simulation.

[ykiki]

That actually was kind of fun. I was going to say "if not Michigan, then Phoenix", but thought I'd go with the Wrench in the Parlour instead. Couldn't help myself - I played Clue with my kids last week, and with the yellow helmet it had to be Colonel Mustard! :D

[Alexamateo]

Here's a photo to put everyone in the Christmas spirit :D :)





[IMG]http://a869.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/109/l_dacd49c24fed39b2472e616f34995dbc.jpg[IMG]

[Alexamateo]

Here's a little photo to get everyone into that Christmas Spirit! :) :D :)

http://a869.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/109/l_dacd49c24fed39b2472e616f34995dbc.jpg

[Phoenixent]

Driver - Tonis Kasamets
Year - 2005
Car - Lola B02-Ford
Track - Chicago Autobahn Country Club

First driver to pilot a Champ Car in the snow. :cool:

Merry Christmas to all. :)

[Chris R]

That would sure spice up the series - snow tires for winter racing..... :)

Do they make helmet visors with defrosters??

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays etc. to everyone!!

[nanders]

Tony George has mentioned a winter series.

[Alexamateo]

Driver - Tonis Kasamets
Year - 2005
Car - Lola B02-Ford
Track - Chicago Autobahn Country Club

First driver to pilot a Champ Car in the snow. :cool:

Merry Christmas to all. :)

That's it, Hope everyone has/is having a nice CHristmas break! :)

[Phoenixent]

Happy New Year to all. Hope you enjoy this new photo. :)

Driver, Year, Car and Track

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/skarnes128/Name%20That%20Car/100.jpg

[Mihai]

Tony Bettenhausen Jr.
#10 Provimi Racing / March 83C Cosworth
1983 Milwaukee

[Phoenixent]

Tony Bettenhausen Jr.
#10 Provimi Racing / March 83C Cosworth
1983 Milwaukee

Right Driver, Car and Year.

Milwaukee is not the track keep digging. :D

[champcarray]

I'd like to re-start this thread with the attached photo I took at a concourse several years ago. According to the placard, the tires shown are the ones it wore at Indy way back when! Please provide the driver, car, and year the driver attempted to qualify it for the Indy 500.

[champcarray]

No takers? Well, if anyone stumbles across this in the future, the photo shows the 1956 Ferrari of Giuseppe Farina. He failed to qualify for the I500.

[Chris R]

Nice photo - I guess we have all been "asleep at the wheel" on this thread for a while :(

I'll have to take some time to dig up some more stuff..... :)

Anyway, for anyone who is interested - I just picked up and re-read Mark Donohue's book The Unfair Advantage - awesome book - well worth the read..... For those in the Northeast, apparently there is some sort of Mark Donohue tribute weekend at Watkins Glen in late August that might see some of his old Indycars running at the track - might a a neat event.....

[champcarray]

Thanks for the heads up. I just went to The Glen's website and found that they are holding a two-day tribute to Mark Donohue in APRIL in conjunction with their opening day festivities. More details are available at

http://www.theglen.com/handler.cfm/article,display/art_id,552213/cat_id,42280/

[Alexamateo]

http://www.artemisimages.com/big/cn02466.jpg

One of the more unusual photos of Lloyd Ruby was when he took his RE Mongoose to Duquoin and the Indiana State fairgrounds to try to qualify on dirt. He didn't make either field (only 18 did), but it still looks cool doensn't it.

[garyshell]

http://www.artemisimages.com/big/cn02466.jpg

One of the more unusual photos of Lloyd Ruby was when he took his RE Mongoose to Duquoin and the Indiana State fairgrounds to try to qualify on dirt. He didn't make either field (only 18 did), but it still looks cool doensn't it.


The link doesn't work.

Gary

[Alexamateo]

While much has been said about Alex Lloyd's pink car,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JBA_90Mrxsw/SgG60H-wfaI/AAAAAAAAIEA/jtgMv4OFGVI/s400/al+lloyd+pink
It's not the first.

Name that Car!

[SoCalPVguy]

While much has been said about Alex Lloyd's pink car,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JBA_90Mrxsw/SgG60H-wfaI/AAAAAAAAIEA/jtgMv4OFGVI/s400/al+lloyd+pink
It's not the first.

Name that Car!

John Zink Special 1955 Kurtis KK500C Roadster Indy 500 Winner "Zink Pink" ... Bob Sweikert.

[Alexamateo]

That's it! Your turn.

[SoCalPVguy]

That's it! Your turn.
Woo Hoo, thanks !!! give me a little time to find a really good one for you guys...

[SoCalPVguy]

I hope this is obscure enough for you guys...
NAME THAT CAR !!! (Chassis, Track, Year , Driver)

http://transfers.mep-llc.com/files/RaceCar.051209.jpg

[Phoenixent]

I hope this is obscure enough for you guys...
NAME THAT CAR !!! (Chassis, Track, Year , Driver)

http://transfers.mep-llc.com/files/RaceCar.051209.jpg

Driver: Joe Leonard
Car: 1969 Eagle-Ford
Track: Indianapolis
Year: 1969
Owner:Smokey Yunick

[SoCalPVguy]

Driver: Joe Leonard
Car: 1969 Eagle-Ford
Track: Indianapolis
Year: 1969
Owner:Smokey Yunick

Yes correct I guess that was not so obscure. You could add that this was the 6th place finisher in the 1969 Indy 500. Your turn.

[Phoenixent]

Yes correct I guess that was not so obscure. You could add that this was the 6th place finisher in the 1969 Indy 500. Your turn.

Thanks, Joe Leonard was one of my favorite drivers and I can say that I saw win the California 500 in 1971. New Photo Coming Up

[Phoenixent]

Name Driver, Car, Track and Year.

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/skarnes128/Name%20That%20Car/x35556.jpg

[SoCalPVguy]

BUMP. I have tried to rearch this and haven't had much luck.
It looks like the old Ontario Motor Speedway and that looks like a '72-'74 McLaren, obviously a second hand effort. Other tan that I have not been able to find a #43 of that vintage.

[Phoenixent]

BUMP. I have tried to rearch this and haven't had much luck.
It looks like the old Ontario Motor Speedway and that looks like a '72-'74 McLaren, obviously a second hand effort. Other tan that I have not been able to find a #43 of that vintage.

It's not Ontario and the car although it looks like a McLaren it is not. It is a second hand effort when the car was run by a top team think Indy Winner.

[Chris R]

Pocono
1979
Lola-Cosworth
Tom Bigelow
sponsored/owned by Armstrong Moulding - an idea what happened to Shearman Armstrong??

[methanolHuffer]

Pocono? McLaren M16?

year is possibly 1974 and I wouldn't try to guess the driver.

[ykiki]

I'm thinking ChrisR is right - the "pole" sign in the back of the photo looks like Pocono and the car is awfully similar to Al Unser's 1978 Indy winner.

[nanders]

The inside of the pit wall looks like the old boiler plate used at Pocono too. I say it's Pocono.

[Phoenixent]

Pocono
1979
Lola-Cosworth
Tom Bigelow
sponsored/owned by Armstrong Moulding - an idea what happened to Shearman Armstrong??

You Are Correct Chris. :up:

The Lola was one of Al Unser Sr. Lola from 1978

Your Turn.

[Chris R]

sorry for the delay - here is a new one - talk about the haves and have nots of racing......

[Phoenixent]

Drivers: #20 Gordon Johncock, #97 Jerry Miller
Cars: #20 Phoenix-Cosworth, #97 King-Chevy
Track: Phoenix International
Year: 1980

Johncock hits the wall a few seconds later in Turn 1

[Chris R]

Almost - driver of the #97 is different...

Was that Phoenix the basis of the 1981 Coyote? I seem to remember someone saying that before??

[Phoenixent]

Almost - driver of the #97 is different...

Was that Phoenix the basis of the 1981 Coyote? I seem to remember someone saying that before??

Not sure of the driver since Miller drove at Phoenix, Roger Mears drove at Pocono.

It wasn't the Phoenix that was the basis for the 1981 Coyote. It was the PR1 which was crashed at Indy. Patrick Racing had three different chassis built in 1980 they were the Wildcat, PR1 and the Phoenix. The Phoenix had George Bignotti involved in the program and the cars were built in England. I don't were the other cars were built or by whom.

[Chris R]

duh, sorry , I mis-informed you - the track is also wrong - that'll help with the driver!!

[Mihai]

I guess it's Roger Mears in the #97 Del Ray Marine and judging from the tyre marks, it's a short oval. So, Milwaukee ?

[Chris R]

krud - I forgot who it was now!! I'll have to go look it up....... ;)

[Chris R]

ok, it is Milwaukee in 1980 and the one car is Johncock - the other is a King Chevy.

The race is the FIRST race at Milwaukee in 1980 (Rex Mays) and this was the driver's only Indycar start....

[Mihai]

So it's Billie Harvey then. http://thegangonline.com/phpBB/images/smiles/whew.gif

[Mihai]

Ok, name all four people in the front row of this picture :

[Chris R]

So it's Billie Harvey then. http://thegangonline.com/phpBB/images/smiles/whew.gif

you got it!

[Chris R]

Looks like Parnelli Jones, JC Agajanian, Jim Clark - I'll guess the last guy is Colin Chapman...

[Mihai]

Very good Chris R ! :up:

Chapman is easy to guess because of the Scottish hat. ;)

Let me add that the picture was made before the Trenton 200 race, in 1964. So it's local for you (NJ). :D

[Chris R]

I figured it was either Trenton or Milwaukee .... I did not realize that either Parnelli was that small or Clark was that big....

anyway, nice picture of the two sides of the front and rear engine "war"....

hmm, now I need to find a new picture (we have covered so many here it is pretty tough to find new stuff!!)....

[penske15]

try this one on for size
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2558/1970usacgrandprixofonta.jpg
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14) at 2009-09-03

[Phoenixent]

try this one on for size
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2558/1970usacgrandprixofonta.jpg
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14) at 2009-09-03

Driver - Joe Leonard
Car - Parnelli Colt 70 - Ford DOHC
Year - 1970
Track - Ontario Motor Speedway

Lap 168 Joe Leonard spun out

[SoCalPVguy]

Driver - Joe Leonard
Car - Parnelli Colt 70 - Ford DOHC
Year - 1970
Track - Ontario Motor Speedway

Lap 168 Joe Leonard spun out

Good one !!! You posted at 2:26, I was going to post at 2;45 but saw you beat me to it *darn*. I was there - were you ???

[Phoenixent]

Good one !!! You posted at 2:26, I was going to post at 2;45 but saw you beat me to it *darn*. I was there - were you ???

I was there also on that day and still have my program. My first Champcar race my dad took me to.

[penske15]

outstanding!! you guys really know your racing.

[penske15]

ok, try this one.
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/975/1966usacgrandprixofjapa.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/1966usacgrandprixofjapa.jpg/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

[Alexamateo]

Sam Sessions
Lola- Ford
Fuji Speedway
Japan 1966

[penske15]

Sam Sessions
Lola- Ford
Fuji Speedway
Japan 1966

i can see that you are no mere mortal! :vader:

[penske15]

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3616/1973usacgrandprixofonta.png (http://img181.imageshack.us/i/1973usacgrandprixofonta.png/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

this one shouldn't be too hard. i love the picture.

[SoCalPVguy]

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3616/1973usacgrandprixofonta.png (http://img181.imageshack.us/i/1973usacgrandprixofonta.png/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

this one shouldn't be too hard. i love the picture.

I'll take a shot...
Gordon Johncock
STP Wildcat Offy
1973
Ontario

[penske15]

bingo!!

[Chris R]

great photos penske15!!

[SoCalPVguy]

bingo!!
Thanks !!! Just a tip, re-name the photo file so there's no clue in it...
I've got nothing, Penske 15 please post another.

[penske15]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8550/picge.jpg
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14) at 2009-09-04

this isn't horribly difficult. it's just a piece of fairly tragic history.

[penske15]

here's another.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2398/num2li.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/num2li.jpg/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

[penske15]

try this one on for size.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4328/originald.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/originald.jpg/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

[penske15]

aaaaand another. i'll be the first to admit that this is not fair but.....i wanna see how up you guys are. :)


http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/9686/123op.png (http://img2.imageshack.us/i/123op.png/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

[penske15]

and another......

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3552/1234w.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/1234w.jpg/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

[penske15]

and the last one for tonight y'all.
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4296/123xi.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/123xi.jpg/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

[SoCalPVguy]

and another......

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3552/1234w.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/1234w.jpg/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

Shell Rahal Racing Lola Cosworth Ford, #8, Brian Herta, say 2004

[Chris R]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8550/picge.jpg
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14) at 2009-09-04

this isn't horribly difficult. it's just a piece of fairly tragic history.

It is Tim Richmond's PC-7 in 1980 - I am guessing that is the result of the Michigan crash....

[Chris R]

The next one is Al Unser's 1978 Lola - perhaps at Indy....

[Chris R]

The guy taking a wild ride is Trevor Harris on Little Al's 1983 Eagle-talk about seat of the pants engineering!!!

[Chris R]

The red car is pretty interesting - I am going to guess it is Scott Pruett testing a 1989 Lola for Truesports - but I have no clue about the fenders etc. I'd like to know more about this one.....

[Chris R]

I think the shell car might go back as far as 1996 - looks like a #28 to me...... in which case it is a Reynard.....

love the photos - but you might want to do one at a time so it doesn't get all mixed up ;)

[Chris R]

I think the "Shell" car might actually be the 1990 Lola-Judd of Geoff Brabham at Indy - it was sponsored by MAC Tools - very similar color scheme.....

[SoCalPVguy]

I think the "Shell" car might actually be the 1990 Lola-Judd of Geoff Brabham at Indy - it was sponsored by MAC Tools - very similar color scheme.....

You're probablly right. I posted that after midnight after a hard evening at the "Bullpen" -- locals will know what I'm talking about. After a evening there, that photo could have been anything... LOL

[penske15]

The next one is Al Unser's 1978 Lola - perhaps at Indy....
your close. got the car and driver right.

[penske15]

It is Tim Richmond's PC-7 in 1980 - I am guessing that is the result of the Michigan crash....
right. very good. :)

[penske15]

The guy taking a wild ride is Trevor Harris on Little Al's 1983 Eagle-talk about seat of the pants engineering!!!
i think that's close to the quote on the article picture. correct.

[penske15]

The red car is pretty interesting - I am going to guess it is Scott Pruett testing a 1989 Lola for Truesports - but I have no clue about the fenders etc. I'd like to know more about this one.....
we'll give someone else a chance and if no one comes up with it i'll spill it.

[penske15]

I think the shell car might go back as far as 1996 - looks like a #28 to me...... in which case it is a Reynard.....

love the photos - but you might want to do one at a time so it doesn't get all mixed up ;)
one a t time it is then. :)

[penske15]

I think the "Shell" car might actually be the 1990 Lola-Judd of Geoff Brabham at Indy - it was sponsored by MAC Tools - very similar color scheme.....
you got the car and driver right.

[penske15]

Shell Rahal Racing Lola Cosworth Ford, #8, Brian Herta, say 2004
nooooooo. i can see how you'd think that though.

[penske15]

and another......

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3552/1234w.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/1234w.jpg/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

some of you were real close. whew!! finally put something up that didn't get nailed to the wall in 5 minutes.

ANSWER: this is the 1991 truesports judd driven by geoff brabham at i indianapolis. it's a fairly unique car in that it has a shell of carbon over a carbon tub. bobby rahal picked up the truesports project for the 1993 season and quickly abandoned it due to the inability of the team and driver to find a common baseline setup and massive tub flex. poor offseason gains in testing were also a major factor in dumping the american entry just three races into the season.

[penske15]

and the last one for tonight y'all.
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4296/123xi.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/123xi.jpg/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

ANSWER: this is the 1991 patrick racing lola alfa romeo driven by roberto guerrero. after being villified by the seriously injured kevin cogan ,it came to light by amateur video that cogan did in fact cause the accident that took himself and guerrero out of the 91 indianapolis 500. mr. cogan had no comment.

[penske15]

here's another.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2398/num2li.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/num2li.jpg/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

ANSWER: this is the chaparral cosworth tc driven by al unser at the second ontario event for 1978.

[penske15]

aaaaand another. i'll be the first to admit that this is not fair but.....i wanna see how up you guys are. :)


http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/9686/123op.png (http://img2.imageshack.us/i/123op.png/)
By penske14 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/penske14)

this Is Frederico Careca in 1994 at Anderstop. it was vey common even into the early 2000s' to outfit older indycars to run can am style fenders in other series including A.I.S., CAN-AM and a few other local and regional series. there is a video of this car being destroyed in this race on roys memorial.

[Chris R]

good photos - for what it is worth - the "Chapparral" has come up before - it is definitely a Lola - it was just listed wrong on the entry list.... I am not sure how modified it was at that point - but you can still see the Lola sticker on the nose too....

So, I guess the Truesports car did not qualify for the 500 and he ran a Lola instead in the race or is the Champcarstats wrong on that??

So what was the series the fendered car ran in? it actually looks pretty cool that way......

[penske15]

good photos - for what it is worth - the "Chapparral" has come up before - it is definitely a Lola - it was just listed wrong on the entry list.... I am not sure how modified it was at that point - but you can still see the Lola sticker on the nose too....

So, I guess the Truesports car did not qualify for the 500 and he ran a Lola instead in the race or is the Champcarstats wrong on that??

So what was the series the fendered car ran in? it actually looks pretty cool that way......

to the best of my knowledge(chuckle chuckle) every listing i've ever seen for the unser car lists it as a chaparrel. i saw the lola sticker, didn't know what to make of it. it's news to me that it is ACTUALLY a lola.

both truesports chassis qualified and raced in the 1991 indianapolis 500. the number 19(of pruett) and the 21 (of brabham).

i do believe that the kit bashed lola was in a european can am type series. i don't know exactly but i can find out.

**edit ** it's called "interserie" it appears that it is run in europe with older indy and formula cars with an equivilency.

[Chris R]

Since this thread has been quiet for a while and we have been talking about "new" ideas etc. Here is one to try

[chuck34]

I believe that's the first rear engined car to run at Indy. Unfortunatly I can't remember much about it. I want to say it's in the late '40s?

[Phoenixent]

Since this thread has been quiet for a while and we have been talking about "new" ideas etc. Here is one to try

Nice Car Chris.

Year- 1949
Driver- Bill Taylor
Car- Rounds Rocket-Offy Rear Engine
Track- Indianapolis Motor Speedway

Lee Oldfield built a rear engine car in 1937 powered by a Marmon engine and Miller built a rear engine 4 wheel drive Indycar in 1938

[Chris R]

Phoenix has it!

The Rounds Rocket was definitely not the first rear engine car at Indy - but it was the first post war rear-engine car anyway(as far as I know...)......

your turn!!

[Phoenixent]

Thanks Chris.

Here is the new photo. :cool:

Name Driver, Car, Track and Year.
http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/skarnes128/Name%20That%20Car/568945.jpg

[SoCalPVguy]

Thanks Chris.

Here is the new photo. :cool:

Name Driver, Car, Track and Year.
http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/skarnes128/Name%20That%20Car/568945.jpg
Let me take a shot...
Mickey Thompson’s 8-cylinder rear-engine car #34 Indy 500 1962 (RIP MT)

[SoCalPVguy]

Let me take a shot...
Mickey Thompson’s 8-cylinder rear-engine car #34 Indy 500 1962 (RIP MT)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/02/17/automobiles/wheels-Thompson-IndyCar/wheels-Thompson-IndyCar-blogSpan.jpg

This DOES look slightly different...

[Phoenixent]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/02/17/automobiles/wheels-Thompson-IndyCar/wheels-Thompson-IndyCar-blogSpan.jpg

This DOES look slightly different...

Nice photo of the car restored. I wonder when it had the sheet metal changed on it.

Right Car SoCal... :up:
Just need the rest of the info.

[Chris R]

Looks like it was modified at some point to be offset to the left too... great pictures from both of you guys.... SoCal - where is the car now??

[SoCalPVguy]

Dan Gurney drove the Mickey Thompson #34 stock-block Buick rear engine car in the 1962 Indy 500. That picture is clearly not Dan, so I’ll guess that’s Mickey himself shaking it down. It is a Buick V8 215 engine.

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 Article: http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/honoring-mickey-thompson-first-american-to-400-m-p-h/

FYI: The Mickey Thompson team raced a Buick 215 powered car in the 1962 Indianapolis 500. The Australian firm Repco converted this engine for Formula One by reducing it to 3.0 L (183 cu in) (using con-rods from the 2.5 L/153 cu in Daimler V8) and fitting a single overhead camshaft per bank rather than the shared pushrod arrangement. Repco-powered Brabhams won the F1 championship twice, in 1966 and 1967.

Where is that car, you asked ??? Now, nearly 50 years after that feat, the N.H.R.A. museum has opened “Mickey Thompson: First American to 400 M.P.H.,” an exhibition honoring the milestone and Thompson’s career and life, which were cut short by his murder in 1988. Luckily for museum visitors, Thompson had a hard time parting with old iron. At the entrance, the restored Challenger I is set against a white backdrop accompanied by old grainy Bonneville movies. Farther inside, there are seven significant Thompson racecars…

“Mickey Thompson: First American to 400 M.P.H.” runs through October 2010 at the Wally Parks N.H.R.A. Motorsports Museum at the Los Angeles County Fairplex, 1101 W. McKinley Avenue., Pomona, Calif.; (909) 622-2133; www.museum.nhra.com (http://www.museum.nhra.com/)

[Phoenixent]

Still looking for the Driver, Year and Track.

Anybody have a guess?

[Chris R]

Tough one, it seems it has to be a Buick engined car in 1962 at Indy - can't see that the #34 ran anywhere else...

Obviously not Gurney - so perhaps Bill Cheesbough or Chuck Daigh....??

[Phoenixent]

Tough one, it seems it has to be a Buick engined car in 1962 at Indy - can't see that the #34 ran anywhere else...

Obviously not Gurney - so perhaps Bill Cheesbough or Chuck Daigh....??

Chris you are correct on the driver it is Bill Cheesbough 1962 IMS. It would have been cool if it was Gurney in the picture.

Your Turn

[neophyte]

Guys, don't mean to barge in but I thought this one might be a blast from the not so recent past.

Year
Driver
Car
Track

[ykiki]

Guys, don't mean to barge in but I thought this one might be a blast from the not so recent past.

Year
Driver
Car
Track

1998
Arnd Meier
Lola T98
Michigan

[neophyte]

well, that didn't take long. Somehow I have fond memories of Meier, specially during the race at the Roval in Brasil. He served as a 'moving chicane" between Greg Moore and Zanardi. That was some race at the end!

Ykiki, you're up.


1998
Arnd Meier
Lola T98
Michigan

[ykiki]

well, that didn't take long. Somehow I have fond memories of Meier, specially during the race at the Roval in Brasil. He served as a 'moving chicane" between Greg Moore and Zanardi. That was some race at the end!

Ykiki, you're up.

I love "the hunt" more than the reward. :D Feel free to post another photo neophyte.

[neophyte]

the usual:

driver
track
year
car
engine



I love "the hunt" more than the reward. :D Feel free to post another photo neophyte.

[neophyte]

the usual:

driver
track
year
car
engine



I love "the hunt" more than the reward. :D Feel free to post another photo neophyte.

[neophyte]

the usual:

driver
track
year
car
engine



I love "the hunt" more than the reward. :D Feel free to post another photo neophyte.

[SoCalPVguy]

the usual:

driver
track
year
car
engine

here goes:
1985, Josele Garza, #55; Schaefer/Machinists Union; March; Cosworth; Goodyear .
I am not sure of the track- This car was driven for sure at Michigan 500 - The photo looks like a road course so I will guess Road America.

I take that back - looking at the 'armco' barriers it is probably Watkins Glen NY

[ykiki]

here goes:
1985, Josele Garza, #55; Schaefer/Machinists Union; March; Cosworth; Goodyear .
I am not sure of the track- This car was driven for sure at Michigan 500 - The photo looks like a road course so I will guess Road America.

I take that back - looking at the 'armco' barriers it is probably Watkins Glen NY

What confuses me is the "Northwest Mazda" sign in the background, which immediately made me think it was Portland, but there's a mound behind it that doesn't look very much like Portland. The dry grass has me thinking it could be Laguna Seca.

[Phoenixent]

Driver - Josele Garza
Car - March 87C/Cosworth
Track - Laguna Seca
Year - 1987

[djarumdudley]

Driver - Josele Garza
Car - March 87C/Cosworth
Track - Portland
Year - 1987