All kinds of questions to other members.

[Brother John]

Come here with your questions of who, how, what, where and more.

I hope this is a good idea.

[omer yetis]

thanks for the new thread brother john!

here is the first one...

last year, a member have created and shared a file which we can download all year Rally schedules/programs into our calendars. by any chance is there any update for this year?

thanks
Omer

[OldF]

Do you mean this one?

http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/140635-online-rally-calendar-2011-events.html

[TurboAndy]

HI, ive been searching for the past hour for a link off Latvala testing the Fiesta in Cumbria where he takes a Finnish journalist for a passenger ride and scares him to death! The video lasted around 8 minutes and was posted on here over the last 2-5 weeks. Can anyone help me find it please! :confused:

[Juha_Koo]

Wasn't a Finnish reporter. A Norweigian if my memory serves me right, maybe a reporter of Verdens Gang.

[cali]

Please, before you start new topic, look around in the forum.
http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/150256-all-kinds-questions-other-members.html

[SubaruNorway]

It was Dagbladet, Benniz on here did the outside filming. - Har du tenkt å ta livet av meg eller? - tema - Dagbladet.no (http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/12/09/tema/bil/rally/motorsport/19071144/)

[omer yetis]

Do you mean this one?

http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/140635-online-rally-calendar-2011-events.html


Yes, this was the one. thanks.
any chance to have this for 2012?

[OldF]

Yes, this was the one. thanks.
any chance to have this for 2012?

Send Livewireshock a PM and ask him. ;)

[Barreis]

Iphone app for our forum, is it free?

[OldF]

Two questions I’ve wonted to ask for some time.

Question 1:

Why is the exhaust of the Fiesta glowing more compared to Mini and Citroen? Very often in videos the exhaust glows on the Fiesta, sometimes on the Mini but I can’t remember seeing that on a Citroen. Is it due to some differences in the anti-lag system?


Question 2:

Why is the Citroen DS3 R3T more popular compared to the Peugeot 207 R3T?

[tfp]

A question for Barries! You posted a link to a web page that told the story of a guy who competed in Mexico last season, with a car he had built himself for 500 dollars, do you have that web page? If I recall it was a Bmw E30? That would be great as I'd like to show a friend this story.

Ps good thread Brother john!

[Barreis]

A question for Barries! You posted a link to a web page that told the story of a guy who competed in Mexico last season, with a car he had built himself for 500 dollars, do you have that web page? If I recall it was a Bmw E30? That would be great as I'd like to show a friend this story.

Ps good thread Brother john!

Found it.
How A $500 Craigslist Car Beat $400K Rally Racers (http://jalopnik.com/5497042/how-a-500-craigslist-car-beat-400k-rally-racers)

[tfp]

Found it.
How A $500 Craigslist Car Beat $400K Rally Racers (http://jalopnik.com/5497042/how-a-500-craigslist-car-beat-400k-rally-racers)

Brilliant, cheers!

Anyone who hasnt read this, make sure you do, a very interesting story!

[N.O.T]

reading a story which refers to rally cars as rally racers....hmmmmm...nope.

[tfp]

reading a story which refers to rally cars as rally racers....hmmmmm...nope.

Forgive the title and give it a chance, its worth a look :)

[janvanvurpa]

Brilliant, cheers!

Anyone who hasnt read this, make sure you do, a very interesting story!


You know, Americans have a reputation worldwide for being big talking loudmouths and well, bullsh!tters...

Caswell was entered in a "tag-along" event completely separate from the Mexico WRC event---and it only had maybe 8-10 entries... and with stage times in the middle of that field, it is nothing short of fraud to have a title suggesting he was even IN the WRC event, much less "beating" anybody except some happy amateurs in near stock cars "prepped" about as vigorously as his "$500" BMW...
The WRC as you should know is open to Homologated cars 5 years (or whatever) or newer. A beater BMW from the 80s isn't a homologated car, it ain't 5 years old or newer, he wasn't IN the WRC event...
Its sorta a spit in the eye to anybody who ever bothered to put together a legal car and enter a WRC....

JV
Car No 42
Olympus WRC 1986, last GpB rally, last WRC for the mighty Saab 96.

And I am all for clubbies having good cheap fun, I am one of the biggest promoters in North America of simpler cars that guys can afford to run and which are competitive, so I'm not poo-pooing his low key approach, I just am fed up with hype and flat out deception..

[omer yetis]

Send Livewireshock a PM and ask him. ;)

thanks for the suggestion. I was thinking of making it public in order to be more useful for all ;)

@ Livewireshock
pls check your pm or respond if you have any preparations for this year

cheers
Omer

[jonlint]

Does anyone know if or where it is possible to buy homologated Group N parts (gearkit, ECU, hydraulic handbrake, engine mounts, etc) for the currently homologated Fabia (any of them - the petrol 1.4 & 1.6 and diesel 1.9)? Does Skoda sell these? If so, how do you buy them?

[Mirek]

I think that none of these parts can be bought in Škoda Motorsport. AFAIK it is number of various producers of different parts.

[TurboAndy]

Wasn't a Finnish reporter. A Norweigian if my memory serves me right, maybe a reporter of Verdens Gang.


Please, before you start new topic, look around in the forum.
http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/150256-all-kinds-questions-other-members.html


It was Dagbladet, Benniz on here did the outside filming. - Har du tenkt å ta livet av meg eller? - tema - Dagbladet.no (http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/12/09/tema/bil/rally/motorsport/19071144/)

Thankyou to Subaru Norway for finding me this and Juha_Koo for the info and sorry to cali for posting a new thread, i was searching for over an hour but obvioulsy should of looked a bit harder. Thankyou again its a very special video to me.

[cali]

Thankyou to Subaru Norway for finding me this and Juha_Koo for the info and sorry to cali for posting a new thread, i was searching for over an hour but obvioulsy should of looked a bit harder. Thankyou again its a very special video to me.
No problems, welcome to the forum!

[TyPat107]

Found it.
How A $500 Craigslist Car Beat $400K Rally Racers (http://jalopnik.com/5497042/how-a-500-craigslist-car-beat-400k-rally-racers)

What a crock! Grass roots motorsports did an actual cost break down of that"$500" car and it was well over 30x that! I think his suspension alone was$5000 if I remember correctly.

[Plan9]

Does anyone have Autosport plus? There looks like a good article about Meeke there and the failing of Prodrive/BMW.

[danon]

Аnybody knows the size of the lenses of Thierry Neuville?

Thierry Neuville new sponsor helmet

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/full/508365978.jpg?Expires=1328224112&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=b1TnesrfHMdQY0A5NXiTaUbegHkjvlzw4m3UUOJu rWZkMPl9ChGVwLUmMwRYuOLaQNDryenKEsbf~k1yUmFbEQ385E yx2OhAz6iagcDufpLRXfZUqeSucho855CoCimTq7K~ZQez~nhj yo42byfZfDRcowZq47IpiantEVUwLPs_

[Rallyper]

Is Puddlejumper employed by NOS? Ther´s no Pickem for Rally Sweden. WHy is that. Has been managed so well during the years before. So why not this year?

[DonJippo]

Is Puddlejumper employed by NOS? Ther´s no Pickem for Rally Sweden. WHy is that. Has been managed so well during the years before. So why not this year?

Maybe he has a life outside of this forum as well. Why don't any of you take over it? I'm sure it could be arranged if someone volunteers?

[Rallyper]

Maybe he has a life outside of this forum as well. Why don't any of you take over it? I'm sure it could be arranged if someone volunteers?

You can´t be a volunteer unless the owner of the project retires and also tells us about it.

[najib]

anybody with the history of this car nissan 240rs chasis number bs110-000076

[tfp]

anybody with the history of this car nissan 240rs chasis number bs110-000076

I dont even know if theres a drifting section on this forum!

[Plan9]

Does anyone know what brand of rims Skoda used for the Octavia WRC car on tarmac during the 2002-3 season?

[BleAivano]

You can´t be a volunteer unless the owner of the project retires and also tells us about it.

isn't Mark able to do it? He have done the latest two pickem threads.

[Mark]

You can´t be a volunteer unless the owner of the project retires and also tells us about it.

Who says?

[Rallyper]

isn't Mark able to do it? He have done the latest two pickem threads.

So Mark, why don´t you do it this time everyone asks?

[Kaps]

Does anyone really understand who qualifies as a manu' team for this years championship?

Armindo Araujo WRT & Palmeirinha Rally were both registered as a WRC Teams and both scored points at Monte.
Now, they're united under Mini WRC Team Portugal banner, as one team, and yet, not eligible for points in Sweden, plus their points from Monte got annuled!?!

Also Mini's works team (Sordo & Campana) both scored points at Monte, but in Sweden neither Sordo, nor Sandell were eligible for manu' ch'ship!?

Go Faster Energy WRT, Adapta team Ford (Ostberg & E. Brynildsen?) , Van Merksteijn Motorsport, Citroen Junior Team, Czech Ford National Team... all not eligible for manufacturer points?

AFAIK, the only teams eligible are Citroen Total WRT, Ford WRT, M-sport Ford WRT & Qatar WRT.

Mini was at Monte, both works and Araujo-Nobre, but aren't any more?

Anybody has a clue about this, please?

[Kaps]

I just can't believe there isn't anyone out there who knows something about this?

[tfp]

I dont even think the fia know anymore!!

[Kaps]

I dont even think the fia know anymore!!

It really looks that way, ain't it?

[tfp]

Does anyone really understand who qualifies as a manu' team for this years championship?

Armindo Araujo WRT & Palmeirinha Rally were both registered as a WRC Teams and both scored points at Monte.
Now, they're united under Mini WRC Team Portugal banner, as one team, and yet, not eligible for points in Sweden, plus their points from Monte got annuled!?!

Also Mini's works team (Sordo & Campana) both scored points at Monte, but in Sweden neither Sordo, nor Sandell were eligible for manu' ch'ship!?

Go Faster Energy WRT, Adapta team Ford (Ostberg & E. Brynildsen?) , Van Merksteijn Motorsport, Citroen Junior Team, Czech Ford National Team... all not eligible for manufacturer points?

AFAIK, the only teams eligible are Citroen Total WRT, Ford WRT, M-sport Ford WRT & Qatar WRT.

Mini was at Monte, both works and Araujo-Nobre, but aren't any more?

Anybody has a clue about this, please?

I would have thought Go fast team would have been allowed manu points? Or does wilsons/hennings budget problems before Monte not allow them to register for manu points? Maybe they diddn't sign up in time?
Ah. like I say, maybe even the FIA dont even know at this point! :)

[tfp]

Does Bobcat still post here? I've just noticed I havent seen him post for a while!

[Keiichytsuchiya]

So... I really dont know if the sound of the first car on the video its the blow off valve or a waste gate valve idk...): i really would like to know what is it.. (keep watching the video since the car appears more times and more cars have it ) ^_^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBmwKwMUHuM&nomobile=1

[Eddie P]

I've been having trouble finding out if the WRC will be on the TV in the US this year. I've searched the forum and the web and can't find an answer. Anyone know?

Thanks in advance.

[Koceens]

Does anyone knows where can I get a high definition pictures from 2012 WRC?

Thanks in advance!

[Barreis]

Do new 1.6 WRC cars have fire from exhaust while gearing?

[N.O.T]

Do new 1.6 WRC cars have fire from exhaust while gearing?

actually fire almost constantly is been spouted from the exhaust of the cars....this is evident at night.

[johnhuebbe]

I know this is kinda a long shot, but if anyone has photos/videos or sees photos/videos online of my VW Beetle in action down in Leon for Rally Mexico, please post them here or shoot me an email.

I've seen very few so far.

http://austral.celeonet.fr/photowrc/wp-content/gallery/2012_mexique/37.jpg

[SubaruNorway]

actually fire almost constantly is been spouted from the exhaust of the cars....this is evident at night.

More like glowing from the catalytic converter that's placed all the way at the end of the exhaust.

[leighton323]

More like glowing from the catalytic converter that's placed all the way at the end of the exhaust.

Could you please explain if that's alright? :)

[gilmour]

Hi,

Is Argentina going to have a rally round in 2013?

I'm thinking to go there to attend to it (i live in brazil)

I'd like some tips from anyone that have already been there or to any other rally round.

How easy is to take pics and autographs from/with the drivers?

[Crocone]

Does anyone knows which is Thierry Neuville' hometown? Or if he is Flemish or Walloon?

[EuroTroll]

Does anyone knows which is Thierry Neuville' hometown? Or if he is Flemish or Walloon?

Wikipedia is your friend. ;) He's from St. Vith, which is a German-speaking community in Wallonia.

[TyPat107]

Could you please explain if that's alright? :)

It has something to do with the materials used in the catalyst, but temperatures after the cat are higher than the exhaust gas entering them. Also the cat is placed at the back off the car so it's easier to test ( make sure it's ther and working) and its supposedly less of a restriction there.

[TyPat107]

Is there anything similar between the polo s2000 used in some championships and the fabia s2000?

[Mirek]

I'm not sure about the latest Polo VW SA run this year in South Africa.

[Jajá]

hey @PuddleJumper, no pickems for Argentina yet?

[Barreis]

What's the next round for proton kids?

[pantealex]

What's the next round for proton kids?
N-Z

[ShabazB]

Hi people,

I'm currently designing a WRC vehicle for Lotus for my project at university and was wondering if anyone could help me with the following questions as I'm not too sure about them.

1. Are there any other roles for the Co-driver other then to navigate?

2. Can you see a single seater vehicle being used in the future if the technology was there to aid driver?

3. what types of terrain do the vehicles participate in?

4. on average how many types of suspension setups does a WRC car use throughout the full season?

The reason I ask these questions is because the proposal for my design is a hydrogen powered single seater WRC vehicle for Lotus for the year 2020.

Any help would be much appreciated :)

[Mihai]

1. Sometimes he can actually drive the rally car on liaison sections or even on special stages, if the driver temporarily gets his driving licence suspended (ask Petter Solberg about that). Co-drivers typically have extended technical knowledge.

2. I'm not sure the WRC will ever switch to single-seaters, it's not what rallying is all about. A few years ago, an extreme idea was to place the co-driver directly behind the driver.

3. Gravel, tarmac, snow and everything in between.

4. Gravel, tarmac, snow and everything in between.

[ShabazB]

thank you very much for your reply, its been a big help. Guess I'll have to modify some aspects of my design

[Plan9]

N-Z

Are they doing a full SWRC???

[pantealex]

Are they doing a full SWRC???
Yes, with 2 cars.

[ShabazB]

what material is a WRC car made from? like the outer body, is it aluminum?

[N.O.T]

what material is a WRC car made from? like the outer body, is it aluminum?

2011 Citroen DS3 WRC review. Specs & pictures on Auto Power Girl (http://www.auto-power-girl.com/cars-2011/citroen-specifications/citroen_ds3_wrc-4386)

[ShabazB]

Thank you :)

[Plan9]

Yes, with 2 cars.

Sweet. It will be interesting to see how PG goes to make up the points differential with Craig (I hope we can have a good race as PG as missed a few events now).

[seaver06]

Hi can anybody give me any info on X20 WRC ...I am looking for info on who owns it and did it ever comptete in the WRC, yes i can see from 2000 on the ewrc site just wanted further info etc, Thanks

[ShabazB]

Does anybody know or have a link to the regulations for the interior of a WRC car? for example the seating position, roll cage, safety features, steering positioning

[Barreis]

Every car has homologation book.

[OldF]

Does anybody know or have a link to the regulations for the interior of a WRC car? for example the seating position, roll cage, safety features, steering positioning

I don’t know if how familiar you are with FIA web site but I put it here anyway.

Regulations (WRC and regional championship sporting regulations etc.)
FIA Rally Championships (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIARallyChampionships.aspx)

Appendix J
Appendix J (2012) to the International Sporting Code (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/wcodj2012?Openform&lang=a)

Article 253, safety equipment
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/48F944E6E0AB57D3C125795F006227B7/$FILE/253%20%282012%29.pdf

Article 255A
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/3D8B0FE351ACD5FCC12579BF005A2BB7/$FILE/255A%20%2812-13%29-%2812.03.2012%29.pdf

5.7.3 Bodywork, interior

The WRC cars also have minimum interior dimensions.

[ShabazB]

Thanks for the info :)

Does anybody know how a team is assembled in the WRC. Ive not got my head around this but i need to know who the target market is for the WRC

[ShabazB]

also how is a WRC car bought? Do the manufacturers sell them to teams?

[OldF]

Does anybody know how a team is assembled in the WRC.

This would be a question to dimviii

Try to google for some answers.

If you google for “building a wrc team” (don’t put the quotation marks) andf you will find a link Mini WRC team that open a acrobat document. There could be some information for you.

Try also “setting up a wrc team”.

Youtube, “How to build a WRC car”.
How to build a WRC Car - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuVQ48o2sRc)

wrc.com

World Rally Championship - Drivers & Teams - Teams (http://www.wrc.com/drivers-and-teams/teams/)

World Rally Championship - About WRC (http://www.wrc.com/about-wrc/)

World Rally Championship - Manufacturers (http://www.wrc.com/manufacturers/)

WRC teams
Welcome to M-Sport (http://www.m-sport.co.uk/)

PRODRIVE WRC TEAM (http://www.prodrive.com/level3.html?id=820)
WRC / MINI Motorsport (http://www.minimotorsport.com/en/wrc)

Citroën WRC - The World Rally Championship live with Citroën Racing (http://www.citroen-wrc.com/en/)

WRC - Volkswagen Motorsport (http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/web/news/archiv.php?&flash=&lg=e&st=586&)



Ive not got my head around this but i need to know who the target market is for the WRC

I assume car buyers.


also how is a WRC car bought? Do the manufacturers sell them to teams?

Manufacturers have racing teams who build and run the cars in the championship. The racing teams are manufacturers own teams (Citroen, VW) or the racing activities are outsourced to a private company like M-Sport (Ford) or Prodrive (MINI). They rent or sell the cars to teams and privateers depending on the manufacturers/ WRC teams policy.

[ShabazB]

thank you so much for the information :) I have been looking on google but I havent been typing in the right stuff, so again thank you for your advice

[SubaruNorway]

Am i right in this being a proper stage rally?
Shame it's on the same weekend as WRC Germany or else i guess we could have seen some of today's top drivers in them.

rallyegroupeb.com - Hosted by One.com Webhosting (http://www.rallyegroupeb.com/)

[BleAivano]

A question for the Finnish members. Can someone tell me who Timo Kankkunen is?
I noted that he is listed as a participant in this years midnattsolsrallyt.

[Rallyper]

A question for the Finnish members. Can someone tell me who Timo Kankkunen is?
I noted that he is listed as a participant in this years midnattsolsrallyt.

Well, that´s just a wrong spelling. It should be Juha Kankkunen. Even Hannu Mikkola and Mikko Hirvonen is said to participate in the MSr 2012 (Midnight Sun Rally) in Sweden. July 18-21th.

www.midnattssolsrallyt.com (http://www.midnattssolsrallyt.com)

[BleAivano]

Well, that´s just a wrong spelling. It should be Juha Kankkunen. Even Hannu Mikkola and Mikko Hirvonen is said to participate in the MSr 2012 (Midnight Sun Rally) in Sweden. July 18-21th.

www.midnattssolsrallyt.com (http://www.midnattssolsrallyt.com)

As i said i've read the start list (http://www.midnattssolsrallyt.com/downloads/entrylist_2012.pdf) so I know that they are coming.
However i'm pretty sure that Timo is not Juha since he is driving a ford for KonnMK and not a Toyta for TTH and
also because Juha pulled out due to scheduling conflicts so he wouldn't be listed anyway.

[Rallyper]

OK, Maybe so. In the first place Juha should come and that´s why I presumed it was Juha in the start list, not Timo.

[tfp]

As i said i've read the start list (http://www.midnattssolsrallyt.com/downloads/entrylist_2012.pdf) so I know that they are coming.
However i'm pretty sure that Timo is not Juha since he is driving a ford for KonnMK and not a Toyta for TTH and
also because Juha pulled out due to scheduling conflicts so he wouldn't be listed anyway.

What was on his schedule?

[BleAivano]

What was on his schedule?

I don't know, the news article only said double booking.

[Camelopard]

Per are you involved with this years event? I'll be there again and look forward to catching up with you again.

[Camelopard]

OK, Maybe so. In the first place Juha should come and that´s why I presumed it was Juha in the start list, not Timo.

Per are you involved with this years event? I'll be there again and look forward to catching up with you.

[Rallyper]

Per are you involved with this years event? I'll be there again and look forward to catching up with you.

No, not this year. Per C and I agreed it wouldn´t be necessary. But I will be at places on Friday. Please take contact and we´ll find some very good spots on friday around Östhammar! Now me and my wife leave for Greece and Loutraki!

[BleAivano]

No, not this year. Per C and I agreed it wouldn´t be necessary. But I will be at places on Friday. Please take contact and we´ll find some very good spots on friday around Östhammar! Now me and my wife leave for Greece and Loutraki!

you dont happen to know any good spots for Saturday? Not sure if will be able to go on the Friday stages.

[Rallyper]

you dont happen to know any good spots for Saturday? Not sure if will be able to go on the Friday stages.

No, I´m not personally familiar, but I can do some research for you...

[Zico]

Any Polish members on here?

I had a comment posted for one of my RBR videos.. "widze że po angielsku wymiatasz" which translates as 'I see the english like to sweep'..

I'm a bit confused, what does this mean exactly ?

[BleAivano]

No, I´m not personally familiar, but I can do some research for you...

i would really appreciate if you could.

[Barreis]

Please where I can download full season overwievs from 1992, 1993, etc. Thanks. :)

[A.F.F.]

Why not buy them on dvds?

[Brother John]

Why not buy them on dvds?

http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/icons/icon14.png A good answer A.F.F. :p :

[TyPat107]

Why not buy them on dvds?

Speaking of which has anyone found any of the IRC series on DVD? I have 2008 but would love each season if anyone knows where to get them.

[GigiGalliNo1]

N.O.T are you going to Rally Germany?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Actually, any MEDIA going to Rally Germany?

[N.O.T]

N.O.T are you going to Rally Germany?

No.

Rally GB maybe...

[Barreis]

Where to find this?
Ruutulippu (TV Series 1990–2007) - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0966420/)

[MJW]

European Rallycross set to become FIA 'world championship' by 2015 - Other news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102040)

[A FONDO]

Also there are no manufacturers directly involved in the sport, I doubt manufacturers will ever be really interested in it.
That would be very good for the competition.

[Barreis]

Can not be boring as last Germany in worst dreams.

[AndyRAC]

To be honest, it's too early to say. It would be too easy to dismiss it entirely. The WRC is in no position to make disparaging comments about other Motorsport series.
It seems to have decent backers, etc Can it attract more Manufacturers, TV? The way the WRC has gone with compact routes, maybe some could switch?

It will be interesting to see what plans RedBull have for the WRC before making a proper informed comment.

[stefanvv]

I don't see ever Rallycross to be threat to WRC. Unless we americanize and get younger ourselves to be thrilled by X-Games/Gimkhana sort of things. WRC is an adventure, Rallycross is just a glimpse of what Rally is really.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Stop me if this is a silly question, but I get the distinct impression that Conrad Rautenbach was never very popular with fans. Was there a reason for this?

I know this has seemingly come out of nowhere, but I was browsing Wikipedia to kill some time the other day, saw his name and wondered what happened to him.

[janvanvurpa]

I don't see ever Rallycross to be threat to WRC. Unless we americanize and get younger ourselves to be thrilled by X-Games/Gimkhana sort of things. WRC is an adventure, Rallycross is just a glimpse of what Rally is really.and new latest thing called Globular Rally-Ex is something to entertain male children that grew up playing Colin Mcrae 3 on the Palm Pilot, but know "all about" rally :eek:

Well that might not be too hard. Hold your breath for about 8 to 10 minutes to starve your brain of oxygen, and then go onto forums and call everybody who doesn't agree that driving in a parking lot si the rad-est stuff evar of being a hater and an elitist snob communist nazi, then call anything french "surrender monkeys" and say the only reason you can write on the Intra-web is because Americans won 'the war" all by themselves :bigcry: ..

That'll be a good start. :champion:

[stefanvv]

Well that might not be too hard. Hold your breath for about 8 to 10 minutes to starve your brain of oxygen, and then go onto forums and call everybody who doesn't agree that driving in a parking lot si the rad-est stuff evar of being a hater and an elitist snob communist nazi, then call anything french "surrender monkeys" and say the only reason you can write on the Intra-web is because Americans won 'the war" all by themselves :bigcry: ..

That'll be a good start. :champion:

Well, the only "war" is in the starving of oxygen brains in the American heads. I'm happy with watching the Rally championship though I can't deny it could be much better. but we will see from 2013 on with more manufacturers (not only German ;) ) and a promoter.

[morleyfanatic]

Hello all...

First post on this forum...

I am travelling down to Wales for the Rally next week, and this is my first Rally since the old man took me to the hairpin at Chatsworth and the Oulton Part special stage in the mid eighties!

I am staying at Llanwrtyd Well and have tickets for Car Park G for the Crychan stage...can anyone give me any advice as to what the best time to get to car park and if there is any etiquette i need to be aware of?

Many thanks in advance.

Robin

[Sorbus]

I start my first post here in the forum with a hearty hello from Switzerland :)

Question:
Is under the current WRC regulations a car with a mid-engine layout allowed?

I checked all documents concerning regulations on the FIA page but could not find any statement concerning this matter (maybe I overlooked it). Due to all the advantages such a layout would bring and the fact that no manufacturer has used it in all the WRC years, I conclude that it has to be forbidden. I would be glad if somebody count point out the document where this topic is covered.

Link FIA-Documents: Regulations PDF Page ISC (http://www.fia.com/sport/Regulations/rallyregs.html)

[stefanvv]

I start my first post here in the forum with a hearty hello from Switzerland :)

Question:
Is under the current WRC regulations a car with a mid-engine layout allowed?

I checked all documents concerning regulations on the FIA page but could not find any statement concerning this matter (maybe I overlooked it). Due to all the advantages such a layout would bring and the fact that no manufacturer has used it in all the WRC years, I conclude that it has to be forbidden. I would be glad if somebody count point out the document where this topic is covered.

Link FIA-Documents: Regulations PDF Page ISC (http://www.fia.com/sport/Regulations/rallyregs.html)

That's interesting question. I don't know the exact answer, but I haven't seen engine layout change since the "horrible" Group B. I have to conclude such change is forbidden. Perhaps it should be as original layout is supposed to work better for a rally car also for safety reasons. Probably it is interesting fact in Group B that all cars except S1 had this layout (I think).

[Maui J.]

Question: Does every new car that enters the WRC need the parent company consent to participate? Has the manufacturer put that car forward to the FIA for approval & homologation?
Or if a particular car has reached the base model number threshold, falls into the correct overall size & engine capacity etc, is that enough, without the parent company consent, to make it eligible to enter and automatically homologated?

For example, has Ford asked the FIA for approval for the Fiesta to rally,... or since the Fiesta ticks all right boxes of the rulebook (size dimensions, engine capacity, base unit numbers etc), is it automatically eligible to rally in the WRC.

I'm broadly speaking about all the classes here, R1 through to World Rally Car.

I thought I used to know the answer to this question, but not so sure anymore.

[Sorbus]

That's interesting question. I don't know the exact answer, but I haven't seen engine layout change since the "horrible" Group B. I have to conclude such change is forbidden. Perhaps it should be as original layout is supposed to work better for a rally car also for safety reasons. Probably it is interesting fact in Group B that all cars except S1 had this layout (I think).

Thank you very much for your answer.

I just found out, that there exists a mid-engined Lotus Exige which is allowed to participate in the FIA R-GT category:
Exige S - The Exige R-GT | Lotus Cars (http://www.lotuscars.com/gb/our-cars/current-range/exige-s-exige-r-gt)

So a mid-engined layout in is per se not forbidden in rallying. Despite that, the question still remains open for the WRC class :)

[stefanvv]

Thank you very much for your answer.

I just found out, that there exists a mid-engined Lotus Exige which is allowed to participate in the FIA R-GT category:
Exige S - The Exige R-GT | Lotus Cars (http://www.lotuscars.com/gb/our-cars/current-range/exige-s-exige-r-gt)

So a mid-engined layout in is per se not forbidden in rallying. Despite that, the question still remains open for the WRC class :)

Yes, mid-layout engine itself is not forbidden, but the point is that this is the production car layout :) , while in Group B regulations teams could do whatever they want with a production car (can even mount jet-engine, but that would be pointless), such free modifications should not be allowed in current rally groups.

[BleAivano]

Yes, mid-layout engine itself is not forbidden, but the point is that this is the production car layout :) , while in Group B regulations teams could do whatever they want with a production car (can even mount jet-engine, but that would be pointless), such free modifications should not be allowed in current rally groups.

No no not pointless at all. Would it work at all? Most likely not. Would it look cool? Yes it would. :D :D

[janvanvurpa]

Question: Does every new car that enters the WRC need the parent company consent to participate? Has the manufacturer put that car forward to the FIA for approval & homologation?
Or if a particular car has reached the base model number threshold, falls into the correct overall size & engine capacity etc, is that enough, without the parent company consent, to make it eligible to enter and automatically homologated?

For example, has Ford asked the FIA for approval for the Fiesta to rally,... or since the Fiesta ticks all right boxes of the rulebook (size dimensions, engine capacity, base unit numbers etc), is it automatically eligible to rally in the WRC.

I'm broadly speaking about all the classes here, R1 through to World Rally Car.

I thought I used to know the answer to this question, but not so sure anymore.

Only if Ford submits the homologation papers with the stamp from their ASN saying their ASN, RACMSA, Svenskabilsportförbundet, ADAC or FFA etc has verified all the everything.
Then the car is eligible...

Just was talking about this cause some crazy Finn I know wants to buy some crazy ex GroupA Ford Moosetang road race car down in NZ and do Historic rallies with it. The car in question has an "Atlas" axle like we're familiar with in Capris and Escorts in Gp2 and Gp4..Nobody has seen the homologation papers so its a question if the car's stock 8" axle is homologated.
Buncha bulldust if ya ax me.

[OldF]

I start my first post here in the forum with a hearty hello from Switzerland :)

Question:
Is under the current WRC regulations a car with a mid-engine layout allowed?

I checked all documents concerning regulations on the FIA page but could not find any statement concerning this matter (maybe I overlooked it). Due to all the advantages such a layout would bring and the fact that no manufacturer has used it in all the WRC years, I conclude that it has to be forbidden. I would be glad if somebody count point out the document where this topic is covered.

Link FIA-Documents: Regulations PDF Page ISC (http://www.fia.com/sport/Regulations/rallyregs.html)

No. Mid engines are only allowed in R-GT http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/58D81DDAC5F250EDC1257A22002F2C9A/$FILE/256%20%2812-13%29-%2815.06.2012%29.pdf

For a car to be able to be homologated in group A (basic homologation) and WRC, it has to be a 4 seat car with some restriction in the internal dimensions and the model of the car has to been manufactured at least 25.000 units in 12 consecutive months (2-door, 4-door, left or right hand drive etc.).

Then there are homologations regulations for the different groups of cars (R1, R2, R3, S2000, WRC), which tells what parts is allowed to be modified or which original parts can be replaced by parts suitable for rallying.

You can find more specific regulations here International Sporting Code & Appendices (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/InternationalSportingCodeA.aspx)

For example,

Classification and Definitions
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/58BA51040DDD2577C1257A22002E0CDF/$FILE/251%20%2812-13%29-%2815.06.2012%29.pdf

General Prescriptions for Production Cars (Group N), Touring Cars (Group A)
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/8C58C39E2F689908C12579BF0059C397/$FILE/252%20%2812-13%29-%2812.03.2012%29.pdf

Specific Regulations for Touring Cars (Groupe A / Group A)
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/6839F984269B8647C1257A22002F620E/$FILE/255%20%2812-13%29-%2815.06.2012%29.pdf

Specific Regulations for Super 2000 (Rallies) / WRC
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/953CD77255F38156C1257A22002F47E3/$FILE/255A%20%2812-13%29-%2815.06.2012%29.pdf

If you wont to go deeper in the history, this thread could be useful http://www.motorsportforums.com/history/150112-fia-appendix-j-brief-history-time.html and the regulations FIA Historic Rally Championships (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIAHistoricRallyChampionships.aspx)

I hope this help and I think reading these documents keep you busy for a moment. And BTW, welcome to the forum.

[jn]

Does anyone know approximately how much a world rally car would weigh without ballast? I ask because the 1200kg minimum weight seems rather high for a racing car, given that LMP cars weigh substantially less than 900kg. Although, I gather that carbon fibre etc is mostly banned in WRC (which seems like a questionable regulation, given that the applicaton of carbon fibre in road cars is increasing, but that's a different discussion).

Basically, what I'm curious about is whether world rally cars have to run with a lot of ballast to bring them up to 1200kg, or if the car itself is nearly there already.

[dimviii]

Focus 03 had about 50 kg

[Mirek]

S2000 which are basically same machinery as new WRC cars used to have lower minimum weight. First it was 1100 and later 1150 kg. Since 2009 it is 1200 kg. I remember from scrutineering of Barum rally 2007 that Punto S2000 in asphalt configuration but heavy sump guard (for rough Barum roads) had cca 1170 kg.

In gravel spec they were actually often heavier than minimum weight. I think Kris Meeke said after Scotland 2010 that their 207 was around 1220 kg while škodas were on the limit.

These cars were build from previous generation of superminis when all cars were made relatively heavy as main marketing factor was safety. Now everything in car industry is driven by low emissions and fuel consumption and therefore new coming cars are lighter. For example Peugeot 208 bodyshell is 40 kg lighter than of 207.

[Steve Boyd]

I ask because the 1200kg minimum weight seems rather high for a racing car.
A rally car is not a racing car. A World Rally Car has to be based on the bodyshell of a series production road car. Comparing the weight of a WRC car with a prototype sports car is not really a valid comparison.

[Koz]

What happened to Ogier?

How come Citroen dropped him and hired Mikko?
Loeb didn't want a true rival within his own camp?

[Franky]

Where's N.O.T?

Holiday?

[cali]

Where's N.O.T?


Holiday?

I'm getting worried now ...

[bluuford]

I'm getting worried now ...
M. Holmes, M. Wilson, M.Wilson and many other people are trying to catch him, but he is smart and hiding himself in this house: http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393687_3612624166489_2067459489_n.jpg
There is no network due to the reflection and he cannot be traced or found by anyone... :-P

[Rallyper]

M. Holmes, M. Wilson, M.Wilson and many other people are trying to catch him, but he is smart and hiding himself in this house: http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393687_3612624166489_2067459489_n.jpg
There is no network due to the reflection and he cannot be traced or found by anyone... :-P

Is it some kind of WRC-shelter N.O.T. has found? The hub-caps are efficient against motorsportforums.com as well...

[DIMI44]

As the title of thread is " All kinds of questions to other members" there is only question, NOT answer....

[GigiGalliNo1]

Question to N.O.T

Are you now #1 of new Hyundai team?

[Mise]

When teams do the pretesting for a rally do they use the same cars in the rally?
How much does one car be different to drive compared to another when they both have the same set up?

[Rally-eMag]

Citroen opted to go for Loeb as the #1 driver, not very surprising after 7 world titles (at that point). Ogier couldn't really handle playing second fiddle and wanted to fight Loeb. He was probably the only one truly capable but Citroen did not want the fight within their own camp. VW was very quick to take advantage of the situation and signed the unhappy Ogier. I guess Citroen might regret their decision now as Loeb will drive less events and Ogier is definitely future champ-material. It will be a very interesting fight next year between Ogier and Hirvonen (and Latvala wherever he ends up). It does of course depend on the performance of the VW Polo WRC, but given their very thorough preparation this year, they should be good!

[tomharto]

Title pretty much sums it up :p .

[EightGear]

None.

That pretty much sums it up as well unfortunately.

[tomharto]

Damn :( , is there any what show it later on or anything?

[Ninar69]

...and the WRC website is not very good either. I gave up trying to follow it a long time ago.

[Rally-eMag]

Why don't you like the site? It's a bit chaotic and hard to navigate, but once you figure it out, you get full event coverage from Rally Radio and the live timing feature is pretty good too.

[stefanvv]

Hopefully there will be live video streaming next year from RedBull also

[Mihai]

French Auto Sport Federation has a young driver promoting scheme that I absolutely admire. It has launched the likes of Loeb and Ogier (plus Sarrazin into a works seat), it has also failed with Alex Bengue or Nicolas Vouilloz.

Now a new French youngster has emerged - Sebastien Chardonnet. Is he Seb 3.0 ?

On his WRC debut, he looks very fast:
World Rally Championship - News - SS1: Neuville tops Strasbourg test (http://www.wrc.com/news/ss1-neuville-tops-strasbourg-test/?fid=17564)

[kirungi okwogera]

Give him time! Not every Sebastien can be Loeb... or Ogier... or Vettel...

Much promise but come back in 2 years and see.

[EightGear]

He ran Ss1 in daylight and most of the other WRC drivers in dusk or darkness.
Let's see tomorrow.

[AndyRAC]

It looks as though he will be given every chance to see if it's true. Good to see from the FFSA..... they do get behind their youngsters.

[pettersolberg29]

... it has also failed with Alex Bengue or Nicolas Vouilloz.

Bit harsh in my view - both of these drivers are very talented, and Vouilloz won the IRC. Comapred to Loeb and Ogier I understand your point though. But if these two count as failures it only goes to show how good the system is I suppose!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Definatly! From ONE stage time, he IS future champion!!!!

[J.Lindstroem]

Definatly! From ONE stage time, he IS future champion!!!!

Why do people always have to have this tone on this forum. Bad day? I dont think anyone suggested that he will be champion after ONE stage. Just a good discussion thread...

[stefanvv]

Besides there is still only Seb N1 champion ;)

[Mihai]

But if these two count as failures it only goes to show how good the system is I suppose!

Totally agree on that one. We can also count Cédric Robert among the less successful ones. He's been part of the Équipe de France FFSA in the WRC in 2003.

[Mihai]

Why do people always have to have this tone on this forum. Bad day? I dont think anyone suggested that he will be champion after ONE stage. Just a good discussion thread...

Very well said, JL. http://emoticonhq.com/images/ICQ/thumbsup.jpg

I was just pointing out that Sebastien Chardonnet is following the same FFSA path as Loeb and Ogier, and we should keep an eye on him. I'm not saying he's going to win the rally or finish in Top 5, OK?

Chardonnet is a household name in rallying history. Are some of you old enough to remember the Chardonnet Lancia Stratos ? Well, it was his father Andre Chardonnet, owner of a big auto showroom network in France, who was sponsoring Team Chardonnet.

http://www.imcdb.org/i064275.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

Sorry. It seemed the post was made after he set good time on a stage during the rally. My tone was not like this and I didn't mean to be a smarty pants. I take it back as I do agree he will do well in the future. Perhaps he's one step behind Neuville at the moment and needs to get into the driving seat more in rounds. How can he and who can he be supported by for the future WRC events? I don't know his back ground but shouldn't he do SWRC first like Yazeed? He has more money but he's doing it properly.

[Rautiainen]

Helloooo, everyone!
Please, tell me, what year and what rallye Pranas Videika (co-driver of Eugenijus Tumalevicius) was on the front roof of their Lada Samara (in order to hold the roof closed), holding the windscreen wipers while Eugenijus was driving the car? Was it at Rally Acropolis in 1987 ? Do you have a photo or video of that moment?

[DIMI44]

Helloooo, everyone!
Please, tell me, what year and what rallye Pranas Videika (co-driver of Eugenijus Tumalevicius) was on the front roof of their Lada Samara (in order to hold the roof closed), holding the windscreen wipers while Eugenijus was driving the car? Was it at Rally Acropolis in 1987 ? Do you have a photo or video of that moment?

No is on 35th Acropolis Rally 1988.You can find a foto on Martin Holm's book "WORLD RALLYING" No 11,page 70.I am sorry but I can't do anything from my p/c....

[Langdale Forest]

Although the new Duke catalauoge is out, there is no mention of the WRC 2012 DVD, there is also no mention on their website.
Could North One be the problem?

[GigiGalliNo1]

haha! Well Eurosport for a start have the Monte Carlo... then we have MotorsTV with SPEED coverage in HD.... and the broadcast Paul King is on... so it's ALL over the place but someone will make one.

[navtheace]

Does anyone know what he is doing?

Noticing it at the arrival control on Rally of Spain. Man with stick and the bottom of stick has a head and goes towards the rear right wheel.

[dimviii]

Does anyone know what he is doing?

Noticing it at the arrival control on Rally of Spain. Man with stick and the bottom of stick has a head and goes towards the rear right wheel.

cause brakes are hot, drivers dont want to step continiously at brake pedal at stage stop(pads pushing the brake disc at same point, will damage the hot almost red glowing disc)So this guy with this stick with the head put it at rear wheel so the car can t move.

[Mintexmemory]

Similar to the Ogier / Latvala thread how do you see this relationship panning out? Also this for the french guys -Loeb isn't in the event say Greece, who are you getting behind? Anyone in a Citroen or Ogier?

[Hartusvuori]

Mikka?

[Mintexmemory]

Thanks! MIKKO - just got up and was obviously not either thoroughly awake or adequately sobered up!
Mods can someone correct the title for me so I don't upset the half of Finland that are forum members!

[BleAivano]

Mikka?

yes the secret half brother of Mikko Hirvonen and Mika Häkkinen. :o ;)

[Mintexmemory]

yes the secret half brother of Mikko Hirvonen and Mika Häkkinen. :o ;)

Actually the 3rd cousin of Mr Antilla - I asked for the Mod to correct my error in the Thread title and all that happened is the thread was shunted to this sub thread 3rd circle of Hades where forum posters can go mad without the worry that a sane person will be checking it out- So what's your excuse Ble?

[mwai]

Any hopes of re-instating Kenya back into WRC Calendar? Rumours are Brazil and South Africa have already expressed interests though 2014. The Safari-Rally was one of the toughest rally in the world. East African classic still reigns with an entry of old antique rally cars

[Mirek]

No hopes in my opinion. For plenty of reasons. Safari is sure nice piece of history but nowadays this kind of competition fits only in marathon events.

[Josti]

I prefer the Safari when it was driven in a time control system, but the late WRC version could still do well in todays championship (especially under Todt´s rule). But no money no go.

[AndyRAC]

The WRC without the Safari is like roast beef without Yorkshire pudding – not quite right.... ;)

[tommeke_B]

The WRC isn't expensive enough yet! Let's add an event with 3x as much km's SS and road section, it's a huge cost to get the whole team and everything there too. Some extra parts need to be developed as well for this event only, but of course all manufacturers will agree with that, wouldn't they? ;) You can't close the stages from normal traffic, but who cares about safety?

Safari Rally has been something incredible, but for me it just doesn't fit anymore in what our sport is today... It is not realistic anymore.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Stop me if this is a silly question, but I get the distinct impression that Conrad Rautenbach was never very popular with fans. Was there a reason for this?

I know this has seemingly come out of nowhere, but I was browsing Wikipedia to kill some time the other day, saw his name and wondered what happened to him.
I do hate to quote myself like this, but does anyone have an answer to this question? I didn't see one.

[SubaruNorway]

I do hate to quote myself like this, but does anyone have an answer to this question? I didn't see one.

Something with where his dad got his money from...

[leighton323]

Search Billy Rautenbach on Wikipedia which may answer your question..

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Safari Rally has been something incredible, but for me it just doesn't fit anymore in what our sport is today... It is not realistic anymore.
Maybe one day the series could go back to Kenya, but it won't be any time soon. In fact, I can't see them going anywhere near Africa for a long time.

In the meantime, I'd rather the organisers found some new events with some character to them. Maybe somewhere in Asia - I'm pretty sure you could set up a Monaco-like event in Korea or Japan, or go back to Indonesia for a tropical rally.


Search Billy Rautenbach on Wikipedia which may answer your question..
I see. Distatsteful, though if it weren't for his connections to Mugabe, he'd probably just be regarded as being no different to any other businessman in Africa.

[leighton323]

Ok, so i was searching on my local auction site, TradeMe for Rally memorabilia, not to much luck but it got me thinking and wondering if any of you guys have any sort of memorabilia eg. parts off famous rally cars etc. It would just be interesting to see what some people may have.

Well anyway, my brother has the door handle from Sebastien Loeb's C4 when he hit a bridge at Rally NZ 2010 (Well i think he still has it!), the video link is below. Not really much, but thought I'd share :)
WRC New-Zealand Bad, bridge for Loeb ! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56q2YGbQL6E)

[RAS007]

Safari Rally has been something incredible, but for me it just doesn't fit anymore in what our sport is today... It is not realistic anymore.Why not? Is it because we have rallies now with 14 stages, half of which are repeats? That isn't rallying. Never was and never will be. I think going back to having some Safari type events would be a big step in the right direction for the WRC, instead of increasing the number of sprint events in countries with no tradition or history in the sport.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Why not? Is it because we have rallies now with 14 stages, half of which are repeats? That isn't rallying. Never was and never will be. I think going back to having some Safari type events would be a big step in the right direction for the WRC, instead of increasing the number of sprint events in countries with no tradition or history in the sport.
I hate all this talk of "tradition" and "history", because it's really just elitism. People complain that rallies like Jordan have no history to them, like Finland, but there was a time once when Rally Finland had no history to it. The only way you get that "history" and "tradition" is by maintaining a presence on the calendar, but in refusing to include a rally on the basis that it has no "history" or "tradition", you're preventing it from getting the very things you value. So it's really just elitism, protecting what already exists because it existed first. And on top of that, it staunchly and stupidly refuses to accept any notion of change. Just look at the level of investment that the Middle East has in rallying, and not just monetary investment: there are drivers, teams and sponsorship both in the WRC and in regional championships like the MERC (which has been one of the stronger regional/national championships in recent years). And there seems to be genuine talent out there; it's just a question of finding it. Arguably, the Middle East deserves its place in world rallying more than it does its place in Formula 1. But you'd rather block that, limit the region's ability to be represented at the world level, simply because it has been going for six years instead of sixty.

I couldn't think of a stupider way to run the sport, or a faster way to run the sport into the ground, than to protect something which is not only intangible, but ultimately unqunatifiable, simply so that the puritans among the fanbase are happy.

[RAS007]

I hate all this talk of "tradition" and "history", because it's really just elitism. People complain that rallies like Jordan have no history to them, like Finland, but there was a time once when Rally Finland had no history to it. The only way you get that "history" and "tradition" is by maintaining a presence on the calendar, but in refusing to include a rally on the basis that it has no "history" or "tradition", you're preventing it from getting the very things you value. So it's really just elitism, protecting what already exists because it existed first. And on top of that, it staunchly and stupidly refuses to accept any notion of change. Just look at the level of investment that the Middle East has in rallying, and not just monetary investment: there are drivers, teams and sponsorship both in the WRC and in regional championships like the MERC (which has been one of the stronger regional/national championships in recent years). And there seems to be genuine talent out there; it's just a question of finding it. Arguably, the Middle East deserves its place in world rallying more than it does its place in Formula 1. But you'd rather block that, limit the region's ability to be represented at the world level, simply because it has been going for six years instead of sixty.

I couldn't think of a stupider way to run the sport, or a faster way to run the sport into the ground, than to protect something which is not only intangible, but ultimately unqunatifiable, simply so that the puritans among the fanbase are happy.

Wow. You are making a lot of assumptions; there is really no need for the thinly veiled ad hominem attack either, simply because someone has a viewpoint which you perceive to be different from your own.

[tommeke_B]

Why not? Is it because we have rallies now with 14 stages, half of which are repeats? That isn't rallying. Never was and never will be. I think going back to having some Safari type events would be a big step in the right direction for the WRC, instead of increasing the number of sprint events in countries with no tradition or history in the sport.
Like I said, it was nice, but it does not fit in our sport anymore for the reasons I mentioned (no need to repeat them). If rallying like it is now, is not acceptable as "rallying" in your view, then you have a problem, there's something called "evolution", and you can only accept it and learn to live with it... "Tradition and history" don't pay the bills, and like Prisoner Monkeys said, you can't make a history with an event if you don't get the chance to do it (by the way, in last 5 years I haven't seen any events getting really shorter in SS-kms). ;)

[RAS007]

Like I said, it was nice, but it does not fit in our sport anymore for the reasons I mentioned (no need to repeat them). If rallying like it is now, is not acceptable as "rallying" in your view, then you have a problem, there's something called "evolution", and you can only accept it and learn to live with it... "Tradition and history" don't pay the bills, and like Prisoner Monkeys said, you can't make a history with an event if you don't get the chance to do it (by the way, in last 5 years I haven't seen any events getting really shorter in SS-kms). ;)

Nah, I don't I have a problem, I just don't agree with you. ;)

As for shorter SS-kms, the average length of rallies does appear to be getting much shorter to me (less stages, with less SS-kms), I could be wrong; I am just not a fan of just repeating stages in reverse either. You can call it evolution, but as you referenced, it is ultimately about money.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Wow. You are making a lot of assumptions; there is really no need for the thinly veiled ad hominem attack either, simply because someone has a viewpoint which you perceive to be different from your own.
This isn't an ad hominem attack. In order for it to be an ad hominem attack, I'd have to know who you are to be attacking you ... and I'm afraid I don't really know who you are at all beyond you being someone who posted an argument that I strongly disagree with.

My argument is that claiming an event is unworthy of inclusion on the calendar because it lacks "tradition" and "history" is self-defeating - on the one hand, they can't be on the calendar because they don't have "tradition" or "history"; but on the other, they can't get "tradition" or "history" because they're not on the calendar.

Rather, I think a better way to judge the value of an event is to look at what it brings to the chamionship. Take, for instance, Rally Jordan and Rally France. Rally Jordan was run on roads that were totally man-made, and sprayed with water from the Dead Sea. When it dried, the high salt content of the water created a diamond-hard surface; ostensibly, this was to protect the surface so that the roads didn't have to be re-graded every year, but the major effect was that it created a surface with very low grip. And when you viewed the on-board shots, it was very difficult to tell the road from the surrounding scenery. I believe this created a very unique event, and if it had been a) kept on the calendar and b) run over two days instead of three as the 2011 rally was, I think it would go a long way to establishing an identity for itself. Sure, crowd numbers were low, but if the organisers of the Middle Eastern Rally Championship scheduled it as a round of their series as well, there would have been more entries and more value going there.

Compare that to Rally France. It is based in Strasbourg, which is just 150km from Trier, the base for Rally Germany. The roads are remarkably similar (though Rally France does not have hinkelsteins). What does Rally France offer to the WRC that no other round does? It's near to Sebastien Loeb's hometown, and it's always nice when he wins the title 20km from home, but once he retires fully, there isn't going to be much of a reason to keep Rally France around, unless the WRC can somehow get the Tour de Corse back. I'd much rather the WRC find a new rally with a unique flavour and no history to it than to see it go to another calendar-filler like Rally France in its current form. Go somewhere tropical - there are no tropical rallies at the moment - like India or Malaysia or return to Indonesia (I'm just free-thinking here) instead. Or go to South Korea/back to Japan and set up an Asian version of Monte Carlo with snowy mountain passes (again, more free-thinking).

[Plan9]

Would it be resonable to conclude that Meeke will not be doing anything in WRC this year? I am not sure he will have to look for fun elsewhere...

[Rallyper]

I woner if anyone heard from Janvanvurpa recently? Jan, where are you? Could we please hear something from you?

[TyPat107]

I woner if anyone heard from Janvanvurpa recently? Jan, where are you? Could we please hear something from you?

I have, he just built the struts for my rally car. He called the other night and said that he has been banned from the site and told me to tell you, Mirek, and some others hello.

[Rallyper]

I have, he just built the struts for my rally car. He called the other night and said that he has been banned from the site and told me to tell you, Mirek, and some others hello.

He he, your quote about longer struts on Subaru, made me think of him and that´s why I asked the question. Nice to hear. I reccon he has a lot to do, that´s why he haven´t made any quotes for some time.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Would it be resonable to conclude that Meeke will not be doing anything in WRC this year?
I haven't heard anything. However, with Prodrive losing Sordo to Citroen, it's plausible that they would take him since he has driven the car and knows the team ... assuming he is still on good terms with them (I have no idea if he is).

[tommeke_B]

I have, he just built the struts for my rally car. He called the other night and said that he has been banned from the site and told me to tell you, Mirek, and some others hello.
Can any moderator (maybe just the one who should reply this question) here please reply? Why have N.O.T and apparently also janvanvurpa been banned from this forum?

[Rallyper]

He he, your quote about longer struts on Subaru, made me think of him and that´s why I asked the question. Nice to hear. I reccon he has a lot to do, that´s why he haven´t made any quotes for some time.

Sorry, didnt read all your message. Someone please - why bann JvV and NOT? This must take an ending, because else there´s only gonna be dead fishes here. You know those who always float in the mainstream...

[Fide]

Sorry, didnt read all your message. Someone please - why bann JvV and NOT? This must take an ending, because else there´s only gonna be dead fishes here. You know those who always float in the mainstream...


CANNOT believe it.................... CAN some of moderators explain what happened with JvV and NOT ???????????? Days are passing and nobody takes the responsibility to explain this forum members if they are banned and WHY. Think we are not children, then we should know the truth.

FIDE

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I used to be a moderator on another forum. I hated it, because dealing with petty squabblings took all the fun out of being a member of that community. But if there is one thing that I learned from my time in the role, it is that the circumstances surrounding a member's ban are between the moderators and the banned member. It is nobody else's business, and the moderators are under no obligation to explain themselves just because other members are unhappy with the situation. If they banned him, then you can rest assured that they had a very good reason for doing so.

Assuming that those members return, then they may choose to discuss the incident. Equally, they may choose not to. It is their decision, and they have a right to privacy - if they don't want their banned being discussed, then there is no good reason why it should be brought up in discussion.

I can't speak for the moderators here, but I know that if I were a still a moderator on that other forum (and thank heavens I'm not), I would probably be inclined to give the lot of you a two-day ban for your behaviour in demanding that they explain themselves. By all means, you should discuss the process of moderation. I've found it works best when it is transparent. But you have no need to know the precise circumstances surrounding a member's ban, no business discussing it, and no right to demand details that are confidential. And you certainly shouldn't do it in such a way that you repeatedly drive a forum thread off-topic.

[Rallyper]

OK, this topic is fine discussing these matters.

I find it interesting you saying you´d give most of us a two-day-ban, points to the questions middle: the moderators playing gods without transparency or anything. Just like that giving members "two-day-bans".

Many of us at least would have liked to get the information that two of our most readed members were banned. That´s all. (I know of course that you PM is not responsible for THAT ban)

[Mintexmemory]

There is a famous line from Monty Python about breaking the unwritten rule...'What was it?' - 'I don't know I wasn't able to read it to find out!'
Speculation can't be censored or punished at the whim of a moderator if forum members don't know in advance what the rules are.
It's almost like Balestre's era FIA- making it up as you go along.
Now obviously the text of the discussion between Mod and banned person is confidential but that would not be a reason not to post a bulletin of the decision, rule broken and possible appeal period. In my own case, I hope and believe the threat to ban me was a joke. It wasn't accompanied by a wink smiley or similar though, so I responded in all seriousness. I am used to 'procedure' as part of my professional work and am always happy to debate facts ;) (Joke !!!)

[Barreis]

Mark wrote here that anybody with that sanction can approach him.

[Mark]

Mark wrote here that anybody with that sanction can approach him.

Yep. Banned members can't use PMs but the "contact us" link at the bottom of the page will get through to me.

[Fide]

seems we are lawyers with the baned story.... when all we would like to know is what happened remembering also we are not children...... simple like that.

[satukata]

What Ott will do this year? He is one of the fastest young driver..

[noel157]

ERC.

[EightGear]

No. He said himself that was just a forum-based rumour.

[Mirek]

I don't believe that it was just a forum based rumor...

[PLuto]

I agree with Mirek :)

[cali]

I think there's lot more than he is saying to public

[pettersolberg29]

Anyone know any way to follow Rally Finnskogvalsen online tomorrow?

[Barreis]

Anyone know any way to follow Rally Finnskogvalsen online tomorrow?

Can't wait for some videos of Solberg and old escort in action. :)

[Rallyper]

Anyone know any way to follow Rally Finnskogvalsen online tomorrow?

A bit late but this site is very useful for 80 % of results in swedish rallies:

www.raceconsulting.com (http://www.raceconsulting.com)

[tmx]

Can any moderator (maybe just the one who should reply this question) here please reply? Why have N.O.T and apparently also janvanvurpa been banned from this forum? Really? I have stopped coming to this forum on a daily basis for nearly the last 2 years because of one person, nothing personal against him, but if that's the case its good to be back.

[raido]

What you guys think of Ott and what could his wrc future be?
I think the best solution would be drvie couple of rallys this year and drive fast to be in sight for all team bosses.
And then maybe next year to be together with p.solberg in hyunday. Hyunday is making big effort to come back and investing a lot of money. And where is money there will also come results. Hyunday also said they are looking c.sainz kind of guy to develop the car and there could come in Ott's mentor and friend markko märtin, who has helped to develop focus and fiesta and also the mini. But thats only my opinion :)

[tommeke_B]

Really? I have stopped coming to this forum on a daily basis for nearly the last 2 years because of one person, nothing personal against him, but if that's the case its good to be back.
If you don't like one person in particular, there's something called an ignore-list... ;)

[tmx]

If you don't like one person in particular, there's something called an ignore-list... ;) People keeps quoting him, and the quote isn't blocked.

[faithhaughtone]

I think his really amazing. :)

[ururu]

How to insert a picture into a forum?

[stefanvv]

How to insert a picture into a forum?

2 options: upload & link, if it is link uncheck the checkbox to work properly. Of course first push the "Insert image" button

[Mirek]

If the picture is linked from elsewhere from the internet You can put than%20the%20image%20url%20and%20than

Otherwise limited size of picture can be add directly from Your HDD by using "Insert image" icon.

[Gurrat]

Anyone how knows where I can find complete results from the Rac back in the 70s and 80s? Thanks in advance!

[ururu]

tnks Mirek and stefanvv! ;)

[Coach 2]

I most be stupid, very stupid. I have tried and tried to but down a picture from my pC, but how these "Insert Image" button work, I don't understand.

PS. Its a jpeg file.

[OldF]

I most be stupid, very stupid. I have tried and tried to but down a picture from my pC, but how these "Insert Image" button work, I don't understand.

PS. Its a jpeg file.

The limit for the insert from PC is 620x280. I don't use this but instead I upload the images to what I use www.photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com/). When you have uploaded the pics to photobucket, by putting the pointer on the pic's upper right corner there are few options. By choosing ”get links” ther's a option ”IMG codes” and clicking on that copies the link and then just paste it in the post.


Remeber someone saying here that the max widht for these pics are 800 pixels. If my original pics are bigger, I use Paint to decrease the size until the width is below 800 pixels.

[Coach 2]

The limit for the insert from PC is 620x280. I don't use this but instead I upload the images to what I use www.photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com/). When you have uploaded the pics to photobucket, by putting the pointer on the pic's upper right corner there are few options. By choosing ”get links” ther's a option ”IMG codes” and clicking on that copies the link and then just paste it in the post.

Remeber someone saying here that the max widht for these pics are 800 pixels. If my original pics are bigger, I use Paint to decrease the size until the width is below 800 pixels.

As you understand from other post, thank you, thank you. :eek: ;)

[OldF]

As you understand from other post, thank you, thank you. :eek: ;)

You're welcome. It's always nice to be some kind of help. :)

[pettersolberg29]

Anyone able to suggest a good place to discuss Rallycross? What with Petter's shift from rallying my support goes with him so wanted to get involved in rallycross just as much as I do rallying. If anyone can give any suggestions it'd be appreciated!

[kolly69]

does anyone know of anywhere I can get photo gift items made? I want to get my husband an iPhone case as he is a massive rally fan. I think it would make a fab gift for him. Have looked on the net but no joy.

[WRC 2013]

Does anyone have any technical pictures of how the AWD system works in WRC cars?

[Mirek]

Do You need a picture? It's the simplest possible way. There is no center diff, only simple mechanical diffs on front and rear axle. In the body of rear diff there is also a clutch which releases the rear axle when You pull a handbrake. That is all.

[stefanvv]

Ignoring the car brands pictured. NOT, what is Loeb up to :D :D :D
http://media.snimka.bg/s1/1754/029751256.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Why pickems are not to top 10? Now 9th and 10th receive points.

[SubaruNorway]

Any tech geniuses here that are able to download part 2 of this show from Discovery Channel Canada for me?
The Østberg jump should be there but i can't watch from Norway.

Daily Planet : March 21st 2013 (http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/daily-planet/march-2013/daily-planet---march-21st-2013/#clip889699)

Thanks in advance!

[TyPat107]

Does anyone on here have tech experience with Impreza suspension? Particularly group A imprezas 93-96 or any group N cars from 93-07 (I think that's n11 and below). I have a few questions.

[SubaruNorway]

Any tech geniuses here that are able to download part 2 of this show from Discovery Channel Canada for me?
The Østberg jump should be there but i can't watch from Norway.

Daily Planet : March 21st 2013 (http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/daily-planet/march-2013/daily-planet---march-21st-2013/#clip889699)

Thanks in advance!

Finally figured it out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgsOh3G_Iqw

[Majks21]

Who is winning this year ?

[wrchirek]

Off topic question, sorry.

Could you suggest some websites/forums (especially Russian) to advert this car: Subaru Impreza R4. Rallycars.info (http://rallycarsforsale.net/clas/index.php?ct=fsrc&md=details&id=69434)

Thanks!

[Plan9]

I was wondering what had happened to the "Sweden World Rally Team"? I know Patrik is now in GRC and who know what is happening with Prodrive. However I have not read anywhere that the concept is officially dead. Any insights would be welcome.

[Rallyper]

SWRT is asleep for the time being. Nothing else. Not even us swedes knows anything...

[Rautiainen]

Hello, everybody!
Is it possible to download from internet the Colin McRae's book but in Russian?

[janvanvurpa]

He he was Scot, why pa ryska?

[Eli]

does anybody think rally japan will return to the WRC anytime soon (2015 onwards)???

[janvanvurpa]

does anybody think rally japan will return to the WRC anytime soon (2015 onwards)???


Is Japan still around? I think it had been destroyed. Whoa Oh there goes Tokyo, oh no Godzilla!
Or that Fukushima fried the place to a crisp. :angryfire

[NxOxT]

does anybody think rally japan will return to the WRC anytime soon (2015 onwards)???

can you stop this ?? do you have some kind of compulsive disorder ??

[Eli]

fine, i'll stop

[NxOxT]

fine, i'll stop

that would be really nice, after all the questions you are asking have no answer... we are not magicians to guess which events will be in and when... so both the questions and the answers are just hypothetical and contribute nothing.

Of course asking hypothetical stuff sure is fun and everyone does it once in a while to start a discussion but when the ONLY thing you do is that then it is not fun anymore and it becomes annoying.

[Allyc85]

Quick question, what date is the deadline for manufacturer entries? :)

[stefanvv]

Quick question, what date is the deadline for manufacturer entries? :)
Probably end of the year. Remember VW last year was waiting until second half of December to homologate

[jellydonut]

Haven't followed rallying for years and just read up on the 'new' (to me) rules from 2011.

No center differential?!?!

Even my cheap as chips old Subaru has a center differential.

How do the WRC cars deal with driving on dry, grippy surfaces? Does it not cause transmission windup or premature wear and breakage in the driveline?

[Mirek]

Actually this rule is an exception because it came from experience. I will go to history a bit...

In 2005 FIA introduced S2000 regulations as a way to affordable 4WD cars for regional championships. The rules stated that only mechanical differentials were allowed. First cars had three ones but Peugeot came with an idea to remove center differential to save weight and power. In the early days the weight limit was 100 kg less than it is today and it was impossible to get so low within the rules so every kilogram was good. But still the more important was the power looses in the center differential. The 2.0 naturally aspirated engine was not strong enough. The loss of power in the center differential was more important the the improved handling. With the simple mechanical differential the benefit in handling wasn't really important. Škoda as next big player tested both solutions and decided to use the scheme without center differential because it was simply faster in testing. Since then no S2000 car was fitted with center differential anymore. Even Abarth removed it in an evolution. In 2011 FIA decided to take S2000 regulations and create new WRC from them. They changed few things and with the ban of center differential they only wrote what was in fact used by everybody in their S2000 cars.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I'm trying to get the Wikipedia article on the Polo R WRC up to Featured Article status, but I am stumped on some of the details. Please forgive me if these are stupid questions, but I cannot for the life of me think of the answers.

First, which company supplies fuel to the team?

Second, which brand of gearbox do they use, or was it developed in-house?

[pantealex]

testing fuel BP/Castrol, race fuel FIA ;)

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Thanks. You wouldn't happen to know the actual manufacturer of that fuel, or it's specifications (eg octane, ethanol content, etc), would you? The only thing I can find in the sporting regulations is that it is an FIA control fuel.

[Rallyper]

Any Pickem for RMC?

[Mintexmemory]

Sorted by the weekend I hope

[KiwiWRCfan]

The final stage of Rally Monte Carlo 2014 does not start until 9.55 in the evening. Due to drivers running in reverse order it will be after 10.30pm before rally winner is confirmed. Have we ever seen final stage of a WRC event conclude this late in the evening before ?
If so when ?

[Ailton]

Hello, I've always loved the music they use in WRC reviews. Can anyone help me identify the song that plays often there, for exemple in this video from 00:15 to 01:45. I would much appreciate it, been looking for it for quite some time already...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaLlIS87CG8
Does anyone anywhere keep track of the soundtrack maybe ?

[Blitzerflitzer]

Have we ever seen final stage of a WRC event conclude this late in the evening before ?
If so when ?

Well, i think we can say late in the morning! For example :
http://www.juwra.com/monte_carlo_1973_itinerary.html

[janvanvurpa]

The final stage of Rally Monte Carlo 2014 does not start until 9.55 in the evening. Due to drivers running in reverse order it will be after 10.30pm before rally winner is confirmed. Have we ever seen final stage of a WRC event conclude this late in the evening before ?
If so when ?
In the south of France 22.30 is not late...When I lived there it was about time to begin thinking of dinner.
and where you'll be going out for a little something to sip and to see friends later.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Anyone else notice the extra loud turbo chatter from the VW Polo R on the Monte ?

No other current cars make any sound like this. I presume its part of their anti-lag but it sounds like the old Ford Cosworth's used to... :lips:

[Mihai]

Should I post this on the NASCAR forum ? :D

http://rallyeracing.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/rally-che-passione.jpg

[jonkka]

What are odds they'd understand any of it (maybe the Nascar logo could ring a distant bell to someone)?