M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

[Managarium]

So, consecutive point - scoring is over.
On Rally Islas Canarias both, Munster and McErlean scored zero points.

If I'm not mistaken, it was run of 309 rallies.

[WRCStan]

It's manufacturers points isn't it? Run is still on.

[Humber]

Munster's car should have picked up 4 Manufacturer's points for M-Sport from Canarias.

[WRCStan]

11 Manufacturers points

[deephouse]

If at least Munster would be quiet. He is all over how he will be good and so on. And he always is nowhere, and bin the car at the end

[flat_right]

If at least Munster would be quiet. He is all over how he will be good and so on. And he always is nowhere, and bin the car at the end

I have never ever seen or heard Munster saying this :D Like for real, I follow rally quite a bit but this is news for me.

[TypeR]

Even at the end of the rally he said that now it's done and can start preparing for Portugal.
Interviewer asked if he at least will enjpy pool later..
Munster answered that he doesn't know if they deserve it.

Haven't never heard him bragging like that..

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yes, he always seems a pretty humble guy. But drivers have to have some self-confidence and belief otherwise they have no chance.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Podcast including interview with Josh McErlean on the move to Rally1 after half a year:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2YwGcbQAxVV0EQXhjORMeG?si=xm34JgTATICXUZIjWnAPbA

[Jarek Z]

This doesn't look good. But, with such drivers, what can one expect?
https://x.com/DirtFishRally/status/1939347945289036270

[focus206]

This doesn't look good. But, with such drivers, what can one expect?
https://x.com/DirtFishRally/status/1939347945289036270

Although this time Munster was doing reasonably good, but had to retire for technical problems.

[macebig]

M-Sport need to rethink the Puma program. It's pointless to go through 2025 and 2026 like that. They need to sit down with Ford and Red Bull and clear things up. Either they get the budget for at least one competitive entry or they should call it a day and focus on Rally 2 or the new car from 2027 if Ford wants to keep going. It's not like they don't have a ton of programmes lined up. They have Dakar, the Mustang GT3 and remains to be seen if M-Sport is involved in the LMDh effort. Driving around aimlessly ain't helping anyone.

[Sulland]

They need to spend some money to get a good driver for a rally or two, to prove to Ford and sponsors that one driver on a salary is needed to improve the car and the junior drivers. Now the drivers are simply not good enough!!

[Managarium]

What money?
M-Sport is largely financed by selling lower categories cars.
How many Rally2 Fiestas have you seen in last couple of years in WRC and ERC events?
Rally3 is better for them because there is not much of other manufacturers competition, but in Rally4 is nowadays a very big competition.

[Managarium]

What money?
M-Sport is largely financed by selling lower categories cars.
How many Rally2 Fiestas have you seen in last couple of years in WRC, ERC and national events?
Rally3 is better for them because there is not much of other manufacturers competition, but in Rally4 is nowadays a very big competition.

[Sulland]

What money?
M-Sport is largely financed by selling lower categories cars.
How many Rally2 Fiestas have you seen in last couple of years in WRC, ERC and national events?
Rally3 is better for them because there is not much of other manufacturers competition, but in Rally4 is nowadays a very big competition.

I agree.

But selling cars comes from results. If you have only talents, and not a few drivers that has proven themselves, and can help in development, you stay where you are, or could move in the wrong direction. But I agree, MSport is in a catch 22 situation right now.

[PLuto]

How many Rally2 Fiestas have you seen in last couple of years in WRC, ERC and national events?

Problem is that they were not so much interested in development Rally2 Fiesta. Biggest issue of this car was engine, which was very weak from beginning. Everybody knew it from beginning, but M-Sport didnt made any important improvement, so lot of teams moved to different brand. And to say the truth, brexit also didnt helped...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport had to prioritise their limited budget. They had to build and develop the new Puma Rally1 car and employ some top drivers like Loeb, Breen and Tanak.

Its obvious that they couldn't spend a lot on the Rally2 Fiesta too, although they did some upgrades and Fourmaux did well in it in 2023.

Since then the Fiesta has discontinued by Ford so it made little sense to throw more money at it as a rally car.

[PLuto]

M-Sport had to prioritise their limited budget. They had to build and develop the new Puma Rally1 car and employ some top drivers like Loeb, Breen and Tanak.

Its obvious that they couldn't spend a lot on the Rally2 Fiesta too, although they did some upgrades and Fourmaux did well in it in 2023.

Since then the Fiesta has discontinued by Ford so it made little sense to throw more money at it as a rally car.

Only excuses. If they are living from selling cars to private customers, they should concentrate to Rally2 category. Their car is not bad, it had perfect chassis and suspension, but engine was biggest problem. They were promising to their customers this disadvantage will be "corrected", but nothing happened, so everybody left. And new customers were not interested in buying the car...

[Gordini]

Maybe give Solberg a ring to see if he would drive a rally or two for them ?

He has driven the best, so he could guide.

[Dontcut]

Maybe give Solberg a ring to see if he would drive a rally or two for them ?

He has driven the best, so he could guide.
Is this Red Bull and Monster Energy conflict only reason why can't this happen?

[240RS]

Oliver Solberg was brilliant all weekend. That goes without saying.

What was equally pleasant to hear were the words of Kalle Rovanpera whenever he was asked about Oliver's performance. Not once did he attempt to disparage or downplay what was truly great drive. He analysed Solberg's merits with maturity and even offered snippets that few would have. That was class. He scored big in my mind.

[Doon]

Why would Oliver solberg, the man who has just won Rally Estonia, want to drive a sh1tbox of an m-sport car? He's quicker than their Rally 1 drivers in a Rally 2 car.

[Päss1928]

Why would Oliver solberg, the man who has just won Rally Estonia, want to drive a sh1tbox of an m-sport car? He's quicker than their Rally 1 drivers in a Rally 2 car.

Agree, makes no sense to go for a Rally1 drive in M-Sport now.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The issue, as always, is money. All the M-Sport drivers need to bring some support. And the Solbergs (like Mikkelsen) dont believe they should pay to drive.

The clash with Monster Energy wouldn't be an issue if they hired a Puma and ran it themselves.

[trykmann]

Regarding their cars and results, then this season and 2026 seem to be something, they just have to get over with. As we all know their Rally1 is behind their competitors and the interest for privateers to buy their Rally2 cars is gone already for a long time. I hope the 2027 regulations with the implemented cost cap will suit them and the new Rally1 cars will be competitive and popular with privateers. This way they won't fall behind with development and maybe will be able to hire at least one fast driver.

[saco0o]

the rally division in Msport is hiring: Event Electrical Technician, Quality Control Supervisor, Machine Shop Supervisor, Shell Fabricator, Transmission Tech, HSE Manager

wrc27?

[deephouse]

They are always hiring. I saw various positions by them every single year. I guess some people leave because that world have literally no free time. Especially those who travel with the team.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I hope you're right about M-Sport being ready to build a WRC27 Car. We need somebody other than Toyota to confirm ASAP and let us see this thing is actually going ahead and give hope for a decent future for the WRC.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ford Performance is now Ford Racing ...

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ford-performance-rebranded-it-primes-road-going-racers

[Andre Oliveira]

... again

[AndyRAC]

Ford Performance is now Ford Racing ...

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ford-performance-rebranded-it-primes-road-going-racers


Won't really affect the WRC, or M-Sport. There was a recent event with Ford Performance, and their drivers.......and obviously, none of the WRC guys were there - as they're M-Sport, not Ford contracted drivers.......The poor relation couldn't be more stark.

[rallyfiend]

Won't really affect the WRC, or M-Sport. There was a recent event with Ford Performance, and their drivers.......and obviously, none of the WRC guys were there - as they're M-Sport, not Ford contracted drivers.......The poor relation couldn't be more stark.

I think Josh and Gregoire are in North Carolina fir the week between rallies to visit the Ford Performance Technical Centre

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Won't really affect the WRC, or M-Sport. There was a recent event with Ford Performance, and their drivers.......and obviously, none of the WRC guys were there - as they're M-Sport, not Ford contracted drivers.......The poor relation couldn't be more stark.

Ford Racing still see M-Sport as part of them ...

https://www.fordracing.com/motorsport/rally-racing

[Fast Eddie WRC]

ICYMI - M-Sport won the ERC / BRC Rali Ceredigion with Jon Armstrong. In fact it was a 1-2 with Romet Jurgenson in the sister Fiesta Rally2. :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0Qv9jxW8AEJQma?format=jpg&name=small

[macebig]

Both the Puma and the Fiesta are competitive under the right circumstances. But, it's definitely a crossroad for M-Sport and Ford. They either invest on a new car for 2027 with a proven driver behind the wheel or call a day. Possibly withdrawing from Rally 1 and focusing on the rumored Puma Rally 2 is another option.

[TypeR]

Poems are nice :)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOUFu_XjBti/?igsh=N2VxbDJmazlqdDds

(Warning - f word used in poem)

[Doon]

With only two events left, this could be the first time ever that the M-Sport run Ford team hasn't scored a podium. I looked back as far as 1997 (when MW took over operation of the Ford team), and every year they have been on the podium at least once, unless i'm mistaken?

[focus206]

With only two events left, this could be the first time ever that the M-Sport run Ford team hasn't scored a podium. I looked back as far as 1997 (when MW took over operation of the Ford team), and every year they have been on the podium at least once, unless i'm mistaken?

In 2021 with Suninen-Greensmith-Fourmaux they didn't achieve a podium either. Better results on average than this year, though.

[deephouse]

And yet many great and more promising drivers are sitting at home and watching those two struggle against being on the road at all.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

And yet many great and more promising drivers are sitting at home and watching those two struggle against being on the road at all.

That's why we need cheaper cars and more teams. Only elite factory drivers and those with super-rich backers can get a seat in a Rally1.

But no-one should be 'sitting at home'. A Raĺly2 Car is a much cheaper way to show your speed.

[deephouse]

Agree, I miss those times when there were many seats available in manufacturer cars and then besides them many privateers who actually show some promising times.

[saco0o]

no videos of nasser al athyah testing the puma?

[saco0o]

well, sesks was leading a rally and nasser did finished ahead of both msports in some of the first stages...
does this mean msport has really bad drivers in munster and josh or is there other explanation?

[Managarium]

I thought also just like you. But, on the penultimate stage in Saudi Arabia, when Martinš's Puma died with engine problem, I don't know what to think anymore.

[deephouse]

It just shows that if Sesks will be given full season and proper testing, he could be right in the middle, podium(s), or even challenge for win. He is almost on level of Katsuta and Fourmaux if the things are right.

[Sulland]

well, sesks was leading a rally and nasser did finished ahead of both msports in some of the first stages...
does this mean msport has really bad drivers in munster and josh or is there other explanation?

IMO none of their regular drivers have the needed experience or talent to master a Rally1 car. And you see this once a good driver takes the wheel of a Puma. Loeb and Sesks have made it work, so car is ok.

[trykmann]

Puma does have performace issues on some surfaces, but regarding the overall pace with proper drivers a top5 finish should be possible in almost all events.

[deephouse]

Hyundai seems work well also on extreme conditions, while on "normal" it's complete garbage. Kinda like Lada Niva car. Puma needs just right drivers. Munster (and too soon to say McErlean) just aren't. Also sorry for saying that, but nobody out of those two don't show any potential even for future.

[AndersX]

I do not agree on McErlean - i think he has a speed to be on Katsutas level at least. He has shown some potential.

[Typ85]

0 stage wins in full season for McErlean + many crashes... very talented... if someone needs an Irish driver in that Puma, give Meeke a chance.. he will be minutes ahead of Josh in the same car... sadly its all about the money

[WRCStan]

Any full season M-Sport driver goes at 80%. The other 20% is Malcolm on the brake pedal.

[AndersX]

Any full season M-Sport driver goes at 80%. The other 20% is Malcolm on the brake pedal.
This

[Typ85]

Too much braking...

[deephouse]

I do not agree on McErlean - i think he has a speed to be on Katsutas level at least. He has shown some potential.

Sorry but not even close. Sesks was driving this car far less, half the season for both years, probably not much testing if ever and at least shows some speed, talent and good times... Also he beat all for many times straight away. In Saudi he clearly shows that he is not fast only on Latvian or fast gravel rallies. I mean it's too soon saying that McErlean isn't the right one for WRC, but if he gets another season at the top level, he should be staying on road all the time and show some good times. Personally I think that both Munster and McErlean should be put in BRC, ERC or maybe WRC2 with Fiesta and maybe come back stronger. Those two pumas should be driving with someone who actually deliver good results for team. If results would come, the team could have extra motivation to get something to fight those two without spending money.

[AndersX]

Sorry but not even close. Sesks was driving this car far less, half the season for both years, probably not much testing if ever and at least shows some speed, talent and good times... Also he beat all for many times straight away. In Saudi he clearly shows that he is not fast only on Latvian or fast gravel rallies. I mean it's too soon saying that McErlean isn't the right one for WRC, but if he gets another season at the top level, he should be staying on road all the time and show some good times. Personally I think that both Munster and McErlean should be put in BRC, ERC or maybe WRC2 with Fiesta and maybe come back stronger. Those two pumas should be driving with someone who actually deliver good results for team. If results would come, the team could have extra motivation to get something to fight those two without spending money.
I noted McErlean in Poland ERC and Latvia ERC in 2023. Sesks dominated, but McErlean was constantly posting top5 times with Paddon, Ostberg, Heikkila and Marzcik in competition. Considering that he comes from tarmac background, it was rather noticeable performance. I believe that he can be very good WRC driver, just with time and some green light to push a bit more from M-Sport.

[Kenneth]

0 stage wins in full season for McErlean + many crashes... very talented... if someone needs an Irish driver in that Puma, give Meeke a chance.. he will be minutes ahead of Josh in the same car... sadly its all about the money

Yup, that would for sure help with the lack of young drivers in WRC! Don't you by a chance work for Hyundai?

[giu canbera]

I thought McErlean would show some bits of brilliance here and there more or less like Jon Armstrong in ERC but nope.
Me, a non Brit-Irish always cheering for Brits-Irish.

[spark13]

Sorry but not even close. Sesks was driving this car far less, half the season for both years, probably not much testing if ever and at least shows some speed, talent and good times... Also he beat all for many times straight away. In Saudi he clearly shows that he is not fast only on Latvian or fast gravel rallies. I mean it's too soon saying that McErlean isn't the right one for WRC, but if he gets another season at the top level, he should be staying on road all the time and show some good times. Personally I think that both Munster and McErlean should be put in BRC, ERC or maybe WRC2 with Fiesta and maybe come back stronger. Those two pumas should be driving with someone who actually deliver good results for team. If results would come, the team could have extra motivation to get something to fight those two without spending money.
I agree with you, but I don't think we can compare them in this way.
They have very different base and setup conditions.
McErlean have the budget and support, he is already 'there', Noone to impress.
He use smart steady strategy - learn the events, gain experience, and constantly developing on second year, which already guaranteed for him in the team.
For Sesks its completely different, he needs that WOW factor to attract one big or several sponsors to get to the top tier by the money, or convince big team that its worth to give him a contract. Sure, they already noticed him way before, but as its so few places now he needs to keep pushing all in and try to impress again and again to be 'visible'.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Sorry but not even close. Sesks was driving this car far less, half the season for both years, probably not much testing if ever and at least shows some speed, talent and good times... Also he beat all for many times straight away. In Saudi he clearly shows that he is not fast only on Latvian or fast gravel rallies. I mean it's too soon saying that McErlean isn't the right one for WRC, but if he gets another season at the top level, he should be staying on road all the time and show some good times. Personally I think that both Munster and McErlean should be put in BRC, ERC or maybe WRC2 with Fiesta and maybe come back stronger. Those two pumas should be driving with someone who actually deliver good results for team. If results would come, the team could have extra motivation to get something to fight those two without spending money.

Nice idea, but M-Sport dont have the budget to pay for better level drivers. Plus those sort wont drive for free and wont get sponsors to pay for them either as there's going to be no ROI.

[cmac]

I think Malcolm has already found his next project in Romet Jurgenson. I expect to see him as one of msport 2 drivers in 2027 season. Will be interesting to see what schedule Malc gives him in 2026.

[Morte66]

Do we know if M-Sport has any sort of contractual hold on Sesks? I had the impression that there are no ties, he rents a car when he can get the money together.

If he got an offer from Hyundai, which seems plausible, I imagine he would be able to take it. Do we know anything to the contrary?

[Morte66]

Do we know if M-Sport has any sort of contractual hold on Sesks? I had the impression that there are no ties, he rents a car when he can get the money together. Maybe there's a small "percentage of future earnings deal", but he hasn't driven for them that much so they shouldn't have too many hooks in him.

If he got an offer from Hyundai, which seems plausible, I imagine he would be able to take it. Do we know anything to the contrary?

[deephouse]

Even contracts can get canceled. I think that in Adrien's case was some sort of "selling" the driver to richer team, while Sesks was there mostly because of help of Promoter and various other sponsors, so I don't think he is some sort tied up to them... But all that is just speculation.. And again, contracts can be canceled anytime. Even if M-Sport would hold him in any way, believe me, they couldn't match richer teams offer.

[rallyfiend]

Hayden Paddon the third of the drivers to fill the third car?

Good for him if so. Just reward for loyalty to the brand - even if it certainly wasn't reciprocated from Germany.....

[rallyfiend]

Do we know if M-Sport has any sort of contractual hold on Sesks? I had the impression that there are no ties, he rents a car when he can get the money together. Maybe there's a small "percentage of future earnings deal", but he hasn't driven for them that much so they shouldn't have too many hooks in him.

If he got an offer from Hyundai, which seems plausible, I imagine he would be able to take it. Do we know anything to the contrary?

One would imagine the Promoter would have some kind of deal to get their money back if he starts earning.

[deephouse]

Hayden Paddon the third of the drivers to fill the third car?

Good for him if so. Just reward for loyalty to the brand - even if it certainly wasn't reciprocated from Germany.....

As much as many of us want to see him back, I don't see a point putting him in a Rally1 car for just one season, since the car will be discontinued anyway and Hyundai not even building WRC27 car. Better stick with Rally2 car, which he drives practicaly daily and achieve great sucess with it.. And then when the rules come, he should be their official driver.

[Sulland]

Is Jon Armstrong ready for testing Rally1, or does he need more matching in rally2?

[jcevc]

Is Jon Armstrong ready for testing Rally1, or does he need more matching in rally2?

maybe the best solution for him full WRC season (or at least 10 rallys) with fiesta rally2 to get knowledge of rallys?

[WRCStan]

As much as many of us want to see him back, I don't see a point putting him in a Rally1 car for just one season, since the car will be discontinued anyway and Hyundai not even building WRC27 car. Better stick with Rally2 car, which he drives practicaly daily and achieve great sucess with it.. And then when the rules come, he should be their official driver.

Are you saying there's no point in Hyundai having a third car, because the same applies for everyone surely?

Apologies I thought this was the Hyundai thread.

[Sulland]

maybe the best solution for him full WRC season (or at least 10 rallys) with fiesta rally2 to get knowledge of rallys?

In addition to give him a rally or three in a Rally1 to check potential.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I think Armstrong will do another season in ERC and continue to develop the Fiesta Rally2 in case M-Sport need to use it in 2027. Any drives in a Puma Rally1 are pointless.

[Morte66]

I think Armstrong should stay in ERC next year because he could win it, and it's M-Sports best chance of getting a title next year.

[And since I want Mabellini to win ERC next year, I hope they disagree with me.]

[GigiGalliNo1]

Like I said...

McErlean stays, Munster out... another Irishman will rotate the second seat with Armstrong (50/50 chance he'll be driving) for 2026 :)

[TypeR]

Like I said...

McErlean stays, Munster out... another Irishman will rotate the second seat with Armstrong (50/50 chance he'll be driving) for 2026 :)
Team Guiness :D

Creighton?

[deephouse]

So Sesks again stay without a seat?

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fiesta/news/new-ford-fiesta

[AndersX]

It was about the time: car industry has changed rapidly, new brands or second trier brands want recognition and motorsport is the best tool for that. But, as there are no rumors, speculations or anything else coming out from M-Sport right now, we should be prepared for some surprises regarding 2026 team.

[saco0o]

isnt the current rumor being msport leaving ford for volvo or lynk & co ?

[AndersX]

isnt the current rumor being msport leaving ford for volvo or lynk & co ?
2027

[deephouse]

Well if that will come true, I think it can be a good thing, since they do very good in TCR, bringing proper funds to the british team and M-Sport doing the best they can with proper investment. It would be about time we get someone big in WRC and have a real fights over the events.

[macebig]

Geely has Cyan Racing at their disposal if they ever decide to enter rallying. And it's not that easy for M-Sport to leave Ford behind.

[GigiGalliNo1]

isnt the current rumor being msport leaving ford for volvo or lynk & co ?

None of it is true.

[Andre Oliveira]

Ford Racing made a 2025 Wrap. No reference to Puma.

[deephouse]

Because their season was miserable. If M-Sport would have results, believe me, they would brag about it.

[AndersX]

I think Malcolm is in the tight spot: they can not dropp Ford bcs of how everything is built around it (R4, R3,R2, Dakar, R1), but Ford does not care about WRC. To pivot away they would need some really committed manufacturer who would be serious about rallying for at least 10 years. If Msport would be successful with support class cars and sell them on the scale of Skoda, possibly they would have more alternatives.

Closing date for Monte Carlo entries is 19.12.

[deephouse]

They are not manufacturer, so they can run multiple brands or build cars for any who are willing to pay. Even Prodrive did run Subaru and alongside they build Proton WRC car, which sadly never hit the stages.

Maybe they could run 2 teams, one with Fords and one with whoever will come (for example only Lynk&Co)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ford are only interested in selling SUVs and pickups at home and EVs in Europe.

The next (Gen-E) Puma is EV-only, so there's no chance of a WRC27 Puma coming with an ICE run by M-Sport.

To stay in the top level of WRC, M-Sport need a new partner.

[AndersX]

Ford are only interested in selling SUVs and pickups at home and EVs in Europe.

The next (Gen-E) Puma is EV-only, so there's no chance of a WRC27 Puma coming with an ICE run by M-Sport.

To stay in the top level of WRC, M-Sport need a new partner.
This

[Tom206wrc]

Ford will sell Renault rebadged electric cars now :mark:

[Andre Oliveira]

Maybe we can see Rally1 with other brand in UK and M-Sport Poland build the Ford lower categories? Btw, which car to sell? Puma Rally2 and Rally3? Abandon Rally4/5/6?

[Andre Oliveira]

Ford will sell Renault rebadged electric cars now :mark:

No. It's a Ford with partnership with Renault like many many makes.

[deephouse]

I bet even if they would (again) have a suitable car for the championsip, they would not support M-Sport. I mean, how long will they make them free promotion before Wilson will say: I have enough. Let's go somewhere else. If we think about, M-Sport is like Paddon is to Hyundai. Sure they gave him chance now (again)... But what if he would not send that e-mail? Would they even considerate him being in that car? If Wilson is clever he would talk to anyone who will show some interest and have resources. And why not even to Hyundai. They are desperate for results and clearly can't figure out why. Maybe they need M-Sport to run things for them, so Cyril can focus fully on his round racing.

[WRCStan]

Maybe we can see Rally1 with other brand in UK and M-Sport Poland build the Ford lower categories? Btw, which car to sell? Puma Rally2 and Rally3? Abandon Rally4/5/6?

https://i.imgflip.com/aept5j.jpg

[AndersX]

I bet even if they would (again) have a suitable car for the championsip, they would not support M-Sport. I mean, how long will they make them free promotion before Wilson will say: I have enough. Let's go somewhere else. If we think about, M-Sport is like Paddon is to Hyundai. Sure they gave him chance now (again)... But what if he would not send that e-mail? Would they even considerate him being in that car? If Wilson is clever he would talk to anyone who will show some interest and have resources. And why not even to Hyundai. They are desperate for results and clearly can't figure out why. Maybe they need M-Sport to run things for them, so Cyril can focus fully on his round racing.
This is one fine idea, sell it to Malcolm; you are right - the system H has built is disfunctional, unable to provide sustainable results.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Maybe... PRS would be the ideal choice, but based in NZ isnt practical.

https://paddonrallysport.co.nz/the-team/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rossel and Gryazin confirmed to spearhead Lancia’s WRC2 return in 2026... two names to rule out at M-Sport.

[Dimitris]

I dont think they were ever in consideration

[rallyfiend]

Rossel and Gryazin confirmed to spearhead Lancia’s WRC2 return in 2026... two names to rule out at M-Sport.

Why pay at M-Sport when you can get oaid at Lancia and be ready for 2027 / 2028?

[Tom206wrc]

Not a very attractive irish line up for 2026 :mark:
Let's see what Jon Armstrong will be able to achieve though...

[rallyfiend]

Sesks will get announced eventually.

Probably Munster too. Just for limited programmes.

People want more Rally1 cars. Well. You got it.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rich Millener said on the DF podcast that the Rally2 Fiesta is getting another upgrade. He sees it as still competitive for 2026 and maybe even 2027 while M-Sport still decides on a new car.

Romet Jürgenson was testing the upgraded car today at Greystoke.

[Managarium]

https://i.postimg.cc/65FPHHXn/601438143-1275381774618072-7392722116633950914-n.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bsHLr9dw)

[macebig]

Munster has announced he will participate in RMC with the Puma. So, it's 3 Pumas for there and more than likely between Sesks and Munster for every round.

[Andre Oliveira]

Munster will use Serderidis car. Nothing related to Sesks.

[deephouse]

Nobody out of three will shine out there, so it doesn't matter at all.

[AndersX]

Nobody out of three will shine out there, so it doesn't matter at all.

Vi do not know; might be that McEarlen is much closer to top than we think. Monte is not about speed, but smart and brave driving. Also Munster might surprise with 1 SS win - he has no pressure anymore.

My guess: ME, Mu each will win 1 SS, whille Armstrong will make 2 top 5 times.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport team principal Richard Millener has made it clear the team wants to continue working with Ford in the World Rally Championship.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-sport-doesnt-want-to-move-from-ford/

[GigiGalliNo1]

Obviously. Like I said, the BS wording in some random blog were untrue.

[trykmann]

You are forgeting the other half of the message. They would like to continue with Ford, but Millener said they still are a business. So if Ford is pulling out from WRC, then they have no other choice.

[deephouse]

Ford pulled out from WRC after the 2012 season. Having only the badge and some ''support'' isn't proper support. They will of course do evertyhing to keep Ford cars, but if the things will not sort, they would need to pull out or start talking to potential new partners.

Also I don't get it why they didn't do new Rally2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 car and keep their business high and rather put every single resource in Puma and hoping Ford would come back, because it didn't and will not. Now it's kinda too late and I think that even upgrading their old Fiesta will not making them miracles. So it's part their fault also to drain their resources.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Also I don't get it why they didn't do new Rally2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 car and keep their business high and rather put every single resource in Puma and hoping Ford would come back, because it didn't and will not. Now it's kinda too late and I think that even upgrading their old Fiesta will not making them miracles. So it's part their fault also to drain their resources.

There wasn't / isn't a suitable (Ford) road car after the Fiesta. They already said the Puma is too tall for rallying as a Rally2/3/4/5.

The Puma Rally1 on a spaceframe was scaled to work and a WRC27 Puma would work too. I think this will happen in due course.

[Tom206wrc]

The next generation Fiesta for Europe will be full electric :rolleyes:

[doubled1978]

The next generation Fiesta for Europe will be full electric :rolleyes:

I wonder with the recent changes to the EU transition to EV’s, which will likely get kicked into the long grass again and again, if they will come up with an ICE version as well.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

The next generation Fiesta for Europe will be full electric :rolleyes:

Yes and basically with a Renault EV platform, so wont ever be an ICE version.

But the Puma is still available with a (hybrid) ICE & with the EU cancelling the 2035 ban it could be around for years yet.

[deephouse]

Having no support for more than 10 years and no proper car in brands portfolio is a only logical to be open minded for other opportunities and not still hoping that someday they'll be back somehow.

Don't get me wrong, if M-Sport wouldn't be in that sport and if they wouldn't continue with their dedication, I believe WRC would probably already die long ago. They were always there, when all others left. But as I said already before, how long will they making Ford free promotion, before they will said, enough is enough. That's why I want them to succeed, no matter which car or brand they will represent, as long as they will have proper support and not just the badge and few "donated cars", oh right and access to some simulations.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Gerard Quinn, the former Ford Senior Manager and of Ford Racing Europe, always says Ford's support for the Rally1 programme is considerable.

It seems that M-Sport (& sponsors) mostly pays out to run the cars and any driver salaries.

[WRCStan]

how long will they making Ford free promotion, before they will said, enough is enough.

1 more year, and then it's up to Ford to back the Rally2 entry if there's already Toyota, Prospeed and Lancia; plus others.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ford should certainly be able to afford part of the cost of developing a WRC27-spec car with M-Sport.

The new Cars are considerably cheaper than the Rally1 and sales should be good to privateers. It would be a win-win keeping both at the top level of WRC.

[macebig]

If M-Sport and Ford continue,it will probably be with a spaceframe made to look like the 2028 Fiesta. And it will more than likely debut in 2028 too. They either use the current Fiesta Rally 2 for 2027 or take a sabbatical.

[WRCStan]

Ford should certainly be able to afford part of the cost of developing a WRC27-spec car with M-Sport.

The new Cars are considerably cheaper than the Rally1 and sales should be good to privateers. It would be a win-win keeping both at the top level of WRC.

I have to agree with Quinn for once, twice actually. Ford do give support, it's not entirely freebie like deephouse jokes, but that's only for now. The other is that manufacturers have no use for WRC.

They're also losing money left right and centre: https://www.ft.com/content/93e352c0-4fee-49e4-9f0d-a86e4d2aeb47

$19.5bn lost to u-turning on EVs, "their share of the US car market could fall from about 10-12 per cent to 5 per cent." "a $3bn writedown to end its battery joint venture with South Korea’s SK On" "The company’s electric vehicle division, Ford e, recorded a $5.1bn loss in 2024 and lost $3.6bn in the first three quarters of 2025."

“We’re in the fight for our lives and our industry” - They aren't pumping money into M-Sport's profits.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Of course Ford is having a bad time financially, but their support of M-Sport is a drop in the ocean. Plus they get good advertising value from it.

Ditto for supporting the building of a WRC27 car. If private tuners can afford it, Ford & M-Sport can.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Jon Armstrong shows the full ladder of opportunity with M-Sport, from a Fiesta ST in 2012 to the Puma Rally1 in 2026...

https://www.facebook.com/100045482682722/posts/1515015106691231/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Podcast featuring Josh McErlean and Jon Armstrong on adapting to the Rally1 Car, including the aero and Hankook tyres...

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1kQPhhKnq4m55elFoICVTO?si=AjyMsCKDRd2iXEaJUHrCNg&t=1356

[afmotorsportmedia]

Tomorrow M-Sport will reveal the 2026 Puma livery

https://www.instagram.com/p/DTdhH07DHAm/

[giu canbera]

White car with some green? Am I seeing this right?
Castrol? Oh They tagged DirtFish... ?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Irish Green?

[AndersX]

Irish Green?
Almost. No RB. At all. Only relation to Ford - design of the car and the oval logo in front.

But i have to admit - this design looks very good. Refreshing.

[AndersX]

P.s. last year there was a big Ford logo on the front grill - this year it is SC.
M-Sport relations with Ford are very strange from outside - they are running Ford Racing operations in Dakar, building those works and customer Raptors, but at the same time their core program is distanced from Ford as much as it could be and struggling.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.fopo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/615931287_1295000512656198_946527949931466972_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=zhkyZ2BQ1YwQ7kNvwFtyat7&_nc_oc=Admc5_pSYPYRqS60Kn61wQ2coFmTNRAUqKQUrK2Hxcy X1_my_un_8UrNvLb7KPqhjo2YdvFa47BU1-8rEmpn6xaF&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo5-1.fna&_nc_gid=NCdH2FcgCIaOORdBlhHBvQ&oh=00_Afp13ZCm3btGCMOfv1ueBuAER7-onRx03tBX5N9c1jgpsQ&oe=696D4FF3

[TypeR]

Almost. No RB. At all. Only relation to Ford - design of the car and the oval logo in front.

But i have to admit - this design looks very good. Refreshing.

Agree! Refreshing indeed. M-Sport did the job again.

[Kenneth]

Banger as always. I like that both M-Sport and Toyota go with retro-inspired livery (the upper part of GR livery is throwback to #29 Toyota GT-One).

Hyundai is meh as always.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport smashed it again ! :bounce:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G-ngAEUXYAA10pR?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

Banger as always. I like that both M-Sport and Toyota go with retro-inspired livery (the upper part of GR livery is throwback to #29 Toyota GT-One).

Hyundai is meh as always.

Hyundai livery only will be revealed tomorrow.

[Kenneth]

Hyundai livery only will be revealed tomorrow.

Yeah thanks, I thought it was already confirmed they'll keep the same livery.

[Sal yet again]

Hyundai have been trolling people on their Instagram page so my winner already!

Shows how times have changed as I used to anticipate which factory or factory supported teams would be planning a WRC season rather than what colours the 2.5 teams would be running but whatever floats your boat.

[Kenneth]

People can't now anticipate liveries? Okay, I'm sorry, I'll stop doing that, mr gatekeeper

[saco0o]

theres probably some video coming out soon but Verstappen tested the Msport (WRC car? Not a Rally1?) - tho not on a rally stage https://youtube.com/shorts/G8Z297Ynsz8?si=Pk430zJjU9yTYGv6
he also tested a v8sc in bathurst or something like that

[Jarek Z]

Not a bad livery, but in my opinion Motorsport Ireland cars looked better in the past:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_McErlean#/media/Datei:WRC-2_Central_European_Rallye_2023_Nr._32_(4).jpg

[Jarek Z]

2022 looked best!

https://scontent-waw2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/615963812_2049653182433183_8105327232994045953_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=bd9a62&_nc_ohc=gOgp1hI5nF4Q7kNvwGaHCTj&_nc_oc=Adka2a3nuGUCPaMyjo_7FSoFu0cJi86Nf0zUzdIGC_w p1i0Qlm8xNUER3cVmPtsG-p4&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-waw2-2.xx&_nc_gid=DkwwU4Q-JL8jNGajmJNt0A&oh=00_Afpvo5nIXCsZQyePJF8SXO_bSnq4iEroBClxCABCfXgK 6g&oe=696D90BD

[Kenneth]

theres probably some video coming out soon but Verstappen tested the Msport (WRC car? Not a Rally1?) - tho not on a rally stage https://youtube.com/shorts/G8Z297Ynsz8?si=Pk430zJjU9yTYGv6
he also tested a v8sc in bathurst or something like that

It's this video: https://youtu.be/N-liL_cpEMQ?si=m5puCfYibsBAOZQ2

[AndersX]

Sesks budget came together. Nice. Expect no more "safe driving to prove consistency" approach. He will want to show the speed again.

But still no tarmac. I find it either as "hiding"/ignoring on purpose to show only the strong side before 2027 (what is the point to learn this car on tarmac if 2027 will be totally different) or as strategic mistake. More seems like doubling down on known rallies to show the speed.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I like Martins and having him in the WRC again. He's a great character and good on fast gravel. His sponsor money is welcome for M-Sport too.

But to be honest he would've been better to do a WRC2 Rally2 programme - it's way cheaper & he could do all events and be well prepared for WRC27.

[doubled1978]

Sesks budget came together. Nice. Expect no more "safe driving to prove consistency" approach. He will want to show the speed again.

But still no tarmac. I find it either as "hiding"/ignoring on purpose to show only the strong side before 2027 (what is the point to learn this car on tarmac if 2027 will be totally different) or as strategic mistake. More seems like doubling down on known rallies to show the speed.

I wouldn’t spend a penny on a tarmac WRC rally either if i was him. The Puma is relatively weaker on tarmac, he’s not got much experience and he will have road position disadvantage as well. Better to run some tarmac rallies in ERC or something I would think in the R2 car.

[Jarek Z]

But to be honest he would've been better to do a WRC2 Rally2 programme - it's way cheaper & he could do all events and be well prepared for WRC27.

I'm not sure if it's such a good idea to make a step back and go to Rally2 after he already proved that he is faster than half of the Rally1 guys. I think that he has the speed of a Rally1 driver, contrary to McErlean, Munster or Loubet.

Of course it's just my amateur opinion only.

[PLuto]

I'm not sure if it's such a good idea to make a step back and go to Rally2 after he already proved that he is faster than half of the Rally1 guys. I think that he has the speed of a Rally1 driver, contrary to McErlean, Munster or Loubet. Of course it's just my amateur opinion only.

He can be very fast on specific gravel events (especially fast or sandy ones). On slower gravel he is not so superb. And on tarmac he was never really fast. Last time on tarmac on Canarias 2024 he was not able to set any time in top 10. Of course it was also because of MRF tyres, which were not competitive there that year, but he was constantly slower than Llarena or Mabellini on same tyres.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I'm not sure if it's such a good idea to make a step back and go to Rally2 after he already proved that he is faster than half of the Rally1 guys. I think that he has the speed of a Rally1 driver, contrary to McErlean, Munster or Loubet.

Of course it's just my amateur opinion only.

It's a fair opinion. It would be hard to return to Rally2 after tasting Rally1 and the very top level.

But while his pace has been better than the other M-Sport drivers, they're not the best quality. And his outright pace has really only been shown on fast gravel.

A full WRC2 Season would help him learn more events, get tarmac experience and be ready for WRC27-spec cars next year.

[AndersX]

We have to stop speculate. If there are a team behind him who can find significant funds for 3rd in row year to drive R1 car, they should have a rather good plan. With help of google translate, here they explain everything:
https://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/wrc/13792-sesks-domajam-ari-par-asfalta-rallijiem-un-kalendara-paplasinasanu/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Knocks, eSports & McRae - the rise of the WRC's new underdog (Jon Armstrong)...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/articles/c20g7ljg1v0o