WRC Rally Argentina 2012

[N.O.T]

1 up for petter! how high can he gets, is it any fights that can make mistakes around?

i think top 5 is a good prediction...especially with the monster stage still ahead tommorow...that is of course if he manages to stay out of trouble himself.

[JAM]

Loeb and Hirvonnen told to hold position after midday service.

The fight is over :( .

Citroën want to make sure of one-two - Citroën WRC (http://www.citroen-wrc.com/en/2012/news/wrc-news/2802/citroen-want-to-make-sure-of-one-two/) .

IMO the fight was over before that.

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

Nobre's water broke, always an issue.

[N.O.T]

Wise decision by the Citroen team... bad for competition but there is a lot at stake now with Solberg out of serious points.

[skarderud]

its the only decision in that position.

[N.O.T]

so now only the fight of the skodas remain...Ogier faster by 1.6 on second split.

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

Be hilarious if Mikko was like "F)(*K it!" and took it from Loeb like a ninja on a stage tomorrow. Wont happen, but would be righteous.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Citroen WRT: Pro team, TWO real pro drivers.

[Viking]

i think top 5 is a good prediction...especially with the monster stage still ahead tommorow...that is of course if he manages to stay out of trouble himself.

I think +6min on Prokop, Ogier and Mikkelsen is just to much, and he won't pass Neuville on speed either.

[r199]

citoen killing the wrc, good job from them. no reason to follow the rest of the weekend

[MikeD]

5th for Prokop. Very good result for both him and DMACK.


citoen killing the wrc, good job from them. no reason to follow the rest of the weekend

No Ford is, by never being able to put up a consistent fight. Bye bye....

[pettersolberg29]

I think +6min on Prokop, Ogier and Mikkelsen is just to much, and he won't pass Neuville on speed either.

Possibly, but over 60km he could over 2 minutes out of the Skodas at least, and I find it hard to believe none of the top 6 will have any issues. Neuville will be the hardest to pass because he's keeping up a good pace.

[rallye-vid]

Well, if ford were in this situation they would do for sure the same

[Rallyper]

OMG they have Sloson in the studio. Why? He knows **** about driving fast at a rally.

Please, hold your horses. What do you know about Wilson don´t know about fast rallydriving? Your comment is embarrasing.

[Peugeot206WRC]

I think +6min on Prokop, Ogier and Mikkelsen is just to much, and he won't pass Neuville on speed either.

Yea, but look at last rally. He still ended 4th (now its 3rd)

[N.O.T]

Ogier 1.1 faster ...12 overall behind.

[bluuford]

Yea, but look at last rally. He still ended 4th (now its 3rd)

Hi everybody!

Back from Vienna and what can I see.. so many pages.. brr..
Did I heard right that Ogier has broken rear suspension?

[Negaiss]

Solberg an Neuville crashes WRC 2012 Argentina Solberg and Neuville crash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx4caif43oE)

[dimviii]

Ogier 1.1 faster ...12 overall behind.

Ogier with rear broken suspension

[Peugeot206WRC]

Solberg an Neuville crashes WRC 2012 Argentina Solberg and Neuville crash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx4caif43oE)

Dont know who is crashing... Bombers crash in WRC Argentina 2001 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-3aXkO2vs8)
Is it the same truck delaying any stages yesterday?

[skarderud]

Ogier with rear broken suspension

one of the last corners? or a "burns"?

[dimviii]

one of the last corners? or a "burns"?

Sebastien Ogier, Mikkelsen’s team-mate also in a Skoda Fabia S2000, completes the stage. Some damage to the rear left with possible broken suspension – apparently it happened in the water splash

[skarderud]

Possibly, but over 60km he could over 2 minutes out of the Skodas at least, and I find it hard to believe none of the top 6 will have any issues. Neuville will be the hardest to pass because he's keeping up a good pace.

yeah, but he is one of the "safest" crashprones also.
5th or 6th, depends of incidents.

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

So, catch me up. Was Petters off because of mechanical, or was the mechanical due to the off?

[rallye-vid]

Both ;)

[skarderud]

So, catch me up. Was Petters off because of mechanical, or was the mechanical due to the off?

he hit a rock in the road 10km before the arm broke in a jump and then off.

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

Ah, great, thanks.

[Viking]

Mikkelsen new rally leader :D

[Viking]

at least at wrc.com...

[pettersolberg29]

Mikkelsen with trouble on SS11 though :S

[Negaiss]

Mikko still going fast. Doesn't want to give win to loeb easy.

[N.O.T]

Big attack by ogier !!

[BleAivano]

Mikko still going fast. Doesn't want to give win to loeb easy.

and i also think that Citroen wants him to keep a good pace to keep him at a safe distance from the drivers behind in case something happens with Loeb.

[N.O.T]

1.5 now the difference...what was wrong with mikkelsen ?

[rallye-vid]

No idea.. I was thinking Ogier had a broken rear suspension?!

[dimviii]

1.5 now the difference...what was wrong with mikkelsen ?
nothing imho,even at first pass Ogier was 6 secs faster at this stage.Lets see at next one.Nice fight,hope to don t have orders.

[Viking]

Mikkelsen was 10 sec faster than his time this morning, Ogier must have been cracy in there. Let us see if he has tyres left for the last one.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen was 10 sec faster than his time this morning, Ogier must have been cracy in there. Let us see if he has tyres left for the last one.

Ogier had almoast the same gap from stage winner as at first pass(25,6sec vs 28,7).We have also to consider that the terrain is faster.Loeb and Mikko cruising are faster at 2nd pass

[amilk]

I still don't understand Sordo's speed - he is in break because Ford wants to secure manu points with 3rd place? He is quicker than this

[dimviii]

I still don't understand Sordo's speed - he is in break because Ford wants to secure manu points with 3rd place? He is quicker than this

had a flat tyre at this stage

[Viking]

Ogier had almoast the same gap from stage winner as at first pass(25,6sec vs 28,7).We have also to consider that the terrain is faster.Loeb and Mikko cruising are faster at 2nd pass

You are right, Mikkelsen has almost exactly same gap to stage winner in the two runs.

[N.O.T]

stage is on

[Viking]

If Petter want to pass Araujo on this one he will be almost on his bumper at the end.. Still dont understand why he (Araujo) starts in front of him.

[A.F.F.]

Too bad.... now that I finally have time to follow the rally, it seems to be pretty much done already :mark:

[dimviii]

Oliveira on problems,passed from Araujo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Too bad.... now that I finally have time to follow the rally, it seems to be pretty much done already :mark:

I was thinking the same. The Ford curse (not JML this time but Petter out on Day 1 :( ) strikes again.

[skarderud]

dani have oil under car at finish!

edit: olivera i it..... :)

[Rallyper]

Having seen Petter´s off it must have been mechanical. Today he´s been doing very well and I still reccon his able to challenge Loeb even this year...
Ford will not be this unlucky all year, would they...?

[N.O.T]

Ogier big push once more...mikkelsen cannot follow so far.

[Mirek]

What is the weather today? Sorry for such question but I was out all day spectating our local rally...

[rallye-vid]

Thats the drama on Petter.. Crashes or whatever and when it's "over" he is driving like hell, without any mistakes.. but it's always too late

[GINE]

Ogier big push once more...mikkelsen cannot follow so far.

It seems to me like Mikkelsen is just slowing down a bit. Team orders I suppose... It is normal, Ogier is their number one driver, and they need both cars to do the kms and gain experience for the team

[dimviii]

It seems to me like Mikkelsen is just slowing down a bit. Team orders I suppose... It is normal, Ogier is their number one driver, and they need both cars to do the kms and gain experience for the team

it has happened again with Ogier Mikkelsen,thats why i said earlier about no team orders.


edit Mikkelsen have been slow from 1st pass,while Ogier is same +58sec from stage winner

[rallyfiend]

Mikkelsen has made his point and proved his speed and ability.

No point throwing that away. They get to play again in a few weeks in Acropolis.

In a way that's what makes these long events a bit crap. Here we are on Saturday, with still a long Sunday to go, and unless mechanical incidents occur, the length of the event isn't really going to add too much. It's just longer for everyone to have to wait for the result in a world were people's attention spans are time to watch/ follow is less and less.

[N.O.T]

Ogier takes the lead... like a boss.. today he was faster everywhere.

[dimviii]

Benito Guerra lying 2nd in PWRC
“I was a little bit panic, we got a top speed of 230 kph in these last 2 corners… A little bit scary… The car is perfect.”

[skarderud]

i like these longer rallies, but it is way to less manu/teams and good drivers to make it interesting! 10 yrs ago, this had been something real good!
now its just to sit down, take a beer (or"bear", for us with wife's) and wait for someone to make a mistake.

[Viking]

Seems like the VW Skodas is putting on some brakes.. Petter was some 22sec faster than last run, Neuville almost 50sec faster. In the Fabias Mikkelsen only 5 sec faster than this morning,
Ogier 11sec faster

[Barreis]

Eliseo Salazar reckons Rally Argentina is harder than Dakar - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99238)

[Gard]

VW are in test mode. Comparing different setups.

[pettersolberg29]

Big-ish time gaps for a SSS - what sort of Superspecial is it if it's 6km long?

[AP-Racing]

Interesting which chances for Solberg won ONE race in this year?

[Tom206wrc]

I hope Neuville will be able to take 6th position on today's monster stage :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

If Petter want to pass Araujo on this one he will be almost on his bumper at the end.. Still dont understand why he (Araujo) starts in front of him.


Well,...simply because Armindo stayed on road during leg one...unlike Petter :p :

[Tom206wrc]

Rude? Me not! Maybe it is a question how to express himself. We Finns are used to put it straigth with very few words, and that´s maybe the reason for misunderstanding.
Anyway, I´ll go away as you wished!



I totally agree with your statement: those who find the rally "boring" and write it in the thread(I don't talk about those who discuss about other themes of it like the S2000 mini battle)don't need to keep on following it or this topic ;)

[dimviii]

http://www.rallyargentina.net/wp-content/gallery/rally-argentina-2012-dia-2-day-2-sabado-28-saturday-28th/day2-arg10_800x533.jpghttp://www.rallyargentina.net/wp-content/gallery/rally-argentina-2012-dia-2-day-2-sabado-28-saturday-28th/day2-arg13_800x533.jpg

Album 1 « Gallery 40 « Photos | Rally Argentina (http://www.rallyargentina.net/en/photos?album=1&gallery=40)

[Langdale Forest]

Does the first stage start at 12pm BST today?

[Viking]

Well,...simply because Armindo stayed on road during leg one...unlike Petter :p :

Yes, but the other guys who stayed on the road during leg one started behind Petter :)

[dimviii]

Citroën WRC 2012 - Rally Argentina - Saturday - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CpiBWcdhIjk)

[Gard]

Yes, but the other guys who stayed on the road during leg one started behind Petter :)

Probably seeding or something. Armindo was better placed, so should have started behind

[GigiGalliNo1]

So... final day?

[Langdale Forest]

Stage should start soon?

[Mauri A]

Stage should start soon?

no, wait till tomorrow!

[dyfi1]

Huomenta. Sama vanha kysymys lol.

[dimviii]

4 minutes to start.I doubt if Petter can pass the fabias without problem,and if they continue at same pace as yesterday.5th place they said is very optimistic for Petter.

[Langdale Forest]

If Solberg does get past the Skodas, could Ford use team orders to get Solberg up to 3rd?

[Peugeot206WRC]

4 minutes to start.I doubt if Petter can pass the fabias without problem,and if they continue at same pace as yesterday.5th place they said is very optimistic for Petter.

I havent followed the WRC very carefully last years, but are the new WRCs (1,6l) slower or have the S2000s become faster?
I saw some results last year as well, the S2000 where sometimes much closer than they where in the 2010 season or earlier.
But I still see some of the N4s beeing competetive against the S2000 as they where before, without any major upgradings to this dying class?

[blissard]

Longest stage in the championship coming up? Expecting some drama in the top ten..

[focus206]

First splits coming :)

[dimviii]

I havent followed the WRC very carefully last years, but are the new WRCs (1,6l) slower or have the S2000s become faster?
I saw some results last year as well, the S2000 where sometimes much closer than they where in the 2010 season or earlier.
But I still see some of the N4s beeing competetive against the S2000 as they where before, without any major upgradings to this dying class?

s2000 are way faster than N4 cars.No comparison at all.

[Viking]

If Solberg does get past the Skodas, could Ford use team orders to get Solberg up to 3rd?

That would be a longshot, I think the Skodas are just out of reach, Then there is Neuville... And Østberg dont take orders wery well....

[Langdale Forest]

And Østberg dont take orders wery well....

But if he does it might help him get a works drive next year.

[N.O.T]

but if he does it might help him get a works drive next year.


looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[N.O.T]

lets see who gets eaten by the monster...

[rallye-vid]

Paulo :vader:

[Langdale Forest]

What would happen if Loeb was slow through the stage and Hirvonen was fast, would Hirvonen need to give the win to Loeb?

[rallye-vid]

100% yes

[6789]

Hypothetical - better to stick with reality. I don't think Petter will move up too much today

[Wim_Impreza]

But if he does it might help him get a works drive next year.

No, Ford chose even Sordo above Østberg, the winner of the most recent WRC rally in Portugal.

[Viking]

Ops, Mikkel takes an chunk of Ogier on second split, I guess he will settle down.

[Langdale Forest]

If Hirvonen keeps his pace up throughout the stage, he will re-take the lead from Loeb.

[dimviii]

Nasser if they start with 2 minutes must have overpass Salazar

[GigiGalliNo1]

Petter gunning it!

[Langdale Forest]

Al- Atiyah must have phisycally overtaken Salazar on the stage.

[Viking]

Sordo losing some seconds...

[dimviii]

66 km stage and we dont have comments from drivers...nice...

[N.O.T]

If Hirvonen keeps his pace up throughout the stage, he will re-take the lead from Loeb.

you are right !!!!!!! yaaay !!!

[Mauri A]

Would be nice to hear the orders to Loeb and Hirvonen. "Slow down, okay, you can now push a little bit, no worry, keep that speed" and so on. And the drivers must also concentrate in their main task, driving!

[Viking]

That I think is one good stagetime from Petter!

[Langdale Forest]

It looks like Mikko could win the rally by 'accident'.

[rallye-vid]

That I think is one good stagetime from Petter!

Yes, but the real rally ends for him always on day 1

[focus206]

Great time by Petter, but also by Neuville...

[A FONDO]

Good job by Neuville, he didnt get tired but raised the pace in the last splits.

[Viking]

Ogier - Mikkelsen correcting themself at the end of the stage.

[EightGear]

Citroen's are cruising.

[Mauri A]

Citroen's are cruising.

Why not?

[EightGear]

Why not?

They've got good reasons to.

[ZequeArgentina]

Why not?


Hi Mauri, how is everything?
Now homeland rally, but I am in New York for some days.............no live watching this time.


Back to the rally:crisis in PWRC Fuchs is losing too much by end of long superspecial. Change in 1st position now Mexican Guerra in the lead (let wait till end of stage)

[Langdale Forest]

Is the team orders from Citroen just to stop the 2 drivers from taking too much risks or is it because of the championship?

[N.O.T]

that is the problem with big stages... usually everything is decided early

so although it is exciting to have 50 and 60 kms stages, it actually making the rally less interesting...

[N.O.T]

i was 12 once ...it sucked big time !!!!!

[werner]

Stages like this should be on first leg, as second or third stage. Nothing is decided at that time. Its easy on last leg, to slow down the drivers with that technologies during the stage if the gaps are minutes.

[dimviii]

Petter at 66 km stage gain 1,43 min from Seb -Andreas.Remaining 68 km more and the gap is 1,55 min.Very difficult if no problems.
Is it so hard to Ford to calculate this senario? Why are they announce that 5th position is possible and ridicule themselves?

[EightGear]

Ford admits top five target for Petter Solberg's Rally Argentina recovery too ambitious - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99241)

[ZequeArgentina]

I really lik very log stages, but my impressin is that they may be out of date for modern internet-fans, which are most of the WRC followers nowadays.

Big differences are not what "anxious splits watching" audience is acostumed to.

[dimviii]

as werner said if you have a 66km stage at first stage would be different.

[Langdale Forest]

SS15 started.
Hirvonen could still win.

[rallye-vid]

Maybe he could, but he is not allowed to...

[Mauri A]

I really lik very log stages, but my impressin is that they may be out of date for modern internet-fans, which are most of the WRC followers nowadays.

Big differences are not what "anxious splits watching" audience is acostumed to.
Hello Eze,

You are absolutely right, this "modern rallying" is far away from it once was. Having driven four day rallies, day and night with minimum sleep, in the car, SS more than 100 kms, minimum service possibilties and no choppers I can say "those were the days". In many cases you got the results day after the finish! OK, times change but let us "older than 12" have our opinions, which are not accepted by nowadays standards. Anyway, in the beginning it was also endurance.

[tfp]

SS15 started.
Hirvonen could still win.

It wont happen. He will be hurled with abuse and maybe have animals thrown at him. Monty Python - French Taunting HD - The Full Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9DCAFUerzs) :D

[Langdale Forest]

Maybe he could, but he is not allowed to...

What if Loeb was 'accidentley' slow and Hirvonen was 'sccidentley faster'?
A bit unfair to make him give up the win then?

[N.O.T]

what is wrong with you son ?? you need help with something ??

[mousti]

No, Ford chose even Sordo above Østberg, the winner of the most recent WRC rally in Portugal.
I thought Ostberg couldn't be chosen because he was a manafacture entry for Argentina, I could be wrong though

[Mauri A]

What if Loeb was 'accidentley' slow and Hirvonen was 'sccidentley faster'?
A bit unfair to make him give up the win then?

When does the rally start?

[A FONDO]

tfp, the scene with the Trojan Horse is missing :D

[tolis]

Day 2 Highlights: WRC 2012 Argentina Day 2 Highlights - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtGl-adJKNk)

[ProRally]

It wont happen. He will be hurled with abuse and maybe have animals thrown at him. Monty Python - French Taunting HD - The Full Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9DCAFUerzs) :D

Specially by YM !!! hahhhahhhahaahhaaaaa

[rallye-vid]

The day Loeb slows down to let his teammate win will be the end of the world :cool:

[tfp]

tfp, the scene with the Trojan Horse is missing :D

Ah forgive me :p


Monty Python- The Wooden Rabbit - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2PdyxMtiYM)

That will be Hirvonens punishment if he wins this event :D

[tfp]

Tanak loosing time?

[Langdale Forest]

Mikko is trying to win the rally!

[rallye-vid]

He's not in ford anymore..

[Viking]

Where is Østberg??

Edit: Ok, he got an end of stage time

[Gard]

Mikko is ahead. Payment for last rally?

[rallye-vid]

Mikko will lose some time at the end of the rally :o

[Langdale Forest]

Prehaps Citroen should let him win because of what happend in Portugal?

[ZequeArgentina]

Both Fuchs and Ligato in problems, loosing too much.
It looks that no group N car is holding for this "new/old" type of longer staged events.

[Viking]

Mikkelsen in problems, puncture??

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen....

[Francis44]

Ogier was already in front of Mikkelsen in the last stage, he tries now but punctures, shame.

[Langdale Forest]

Some of the PWRC drivers are passing him on stage now.
This means Petter is up to 8th.

[tfp]

Mikko 2/10ths behind now...Loeb would be getting worried now...if he diddnt have team orders on his side!

It also shows how much faster the Citroen is compared to the Ford, if you look at Hirvonens stage times from Argentina last year and compare them with now!

[Francis44]

It also shows how much faster the Citroen is compared to the Ford, if you look at Hirvonens stage times from Argentina last year and compare them with now!

This is BS. Ford found some improvements for the car this year, in fact in Sweden Hirvonnen was slower. I think it's just about motivation.

[Gard]

Soon up to 7'th, shure he'll pass Ogier too

[Langdale Forest]

SS16 started.

[tfp]

This is BS. Ford found some improvements for the car this year, in fact in Sweden Hirvonnen was slower. I think it's just about motivation.

He was chasing for the win in sweden this year, last year in argentina yes he may have finished a close second, but not before Loeb gets a huge time penalty and all of the other front runners crash out! I dont think theres BS in there!

[dyfi1]

Mikkelsen broken suspension.

[Langdale Forest]

Hirvonen beating Loeb again.

[tfp]

One things for sure, this rally has started to get very interesting again! Shame about Mikkelsons misfortune, those two have been fighting like madmen.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen broken suspension.

Mikkelsen didn t start ss16?

[dyfi1]

Mikkelsen didn t start ss16?

Stopped at stage end ss15.... strut pushed through bonnet/ hood. Maybe end of rally for him.

[denkimi]

This is BS. Ford found some improvements for the car this year, in fact in Sweden Hirvonnen was slower. I think it's just about motivation.
the citroens are still faster than the fords, just as they have been for the last 5 years or so. the current pace of hirvonen proves that.

[Mise]

There is no need for team orders. I'll say Mikko wins this one.
Ford is making an great effort to cut team orders from the sport.
They suck so bad that Citroen doesn't need any orders.

[EightGear]

Loeb will win if he doesn't get any problems. Mikko will slow down or take it a bit easy for the rest of the day.

[pettersolberg29]

Even though everyone is relaxing, wining a 16km by 18s from anyone is pretty impressive pace. If only Petter could do that from the very start to very end of a rally for once!

[Tom206wrc]

Is the team orders from Citroen just to stop the 2 drivers from taking too much risks or is it because of the championship?


Both ;)

[A FONDO]

Even though everyone is relaxing, wining a 16km by 18s from anyone is pretty impressive pace. If only Petter could do that from the very start to very end of a rally for once!

Not only they are relaxing, but while Solberg was napping in the ditch, others were chewing their tyres.

[dimviii]

Petter has to cover 48 sec at 33 km stages.Will he?

[userwave]

Rally radio gave me a shout out... COOL! :)

[pettersolberg29]

Not only they are relaxing, but while Solberg was napping in the ditch, others were chewing their tyres.

Very true - if he doesn't win the Power Stage after all this he'll be furious I bet

[Viking]

Petter has to cover 48 sec at 33 km stages.Will he?

with this mornings time difference he should.... just do it..

[Mirek]

Stopped at stage end ss15.... strut pushed through bonnet/ hood. Maybe end of rally for him.

Again we can see how stupid superally system is. No matter if You manage to get over the hell of first leg and all the stages of the second one You are out today. Others who f*cked things in first few stages are still on point positions. Does the one who crash in second stage deserve points more than the one who crash after 400 km? The whole superally system is nonsense from the very beginning.

[tolis]

Andreas Mikkelsen!
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s320x320/529215_368504446518022_320039084697892_913545_8650 90483_n.jpg

[N.O.T]

Petter has to cover 48 sec at 33 km stages.Will he?

with mikkelsen out he probably will... Ogier will cruise.

[RAS007]

Again we can see how stupid superally system is. No matter if You manage to get over the hell of first leg and all the stages of the second one You are out today. Others who f*cked things in first few stages are still on point positions. Does the one who crash in second stage deserve points more than the one who crash after 400 km? The whole superally system is nonsense from the very beginning.

^^^this. Could not agree more. Superrally, Rally 2 is just ridiculous.

[tolis]

Citroen is giving food only to Mikko. So Loeb is going to win this! :D

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/75242_10150720398842057_34740377056_9835547_150310 2598_n.jpg

[AndyRAC]

Sacre bleu......Citroen using Heinz Tomato ketchup....... well I never.... ;)

[dyfi1]

^^^this. Could not agree more. Superrally, Rally 2 is just ridiculous.

Out of rally should be final. Now it`s like Playstation/ Xbox with a reset button! However, having said that, I have found Petter Solbergs escapades in Portugal and Argentina compulsive following..... just to see what he can salvage.

[Mauri A]

Sacre bleu......Citroen using Heinz Tomato ketchup....... well I never.... ;)

Coke and ketchup is todays French gastronomy!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Rally radio gave me a shout out... COOL! :)

I hate you.

Which radio? Becs etc?

[N.O.T]

last loop of stages is live....

[Francis44]

Ott Tanak dissapoints again a bit. I've always suported him and I know it's his first year but come on, he makes mistakes in the beggining of the rally and still manages to bin it afterwards. Then looses motivation completely and that's that. I think again Citroen is a bit ahead with Neuville, who is starting to be very fast however with the ocasional hickups.

[Langdale Forest]

This could be a very exiting end to the rally.

[N.O.T]

This could be a very exiting end to the rally.

yes !!! 1st place is not decided yet.. and solberg could very easily win !!! and Sordo also !!!

[Langdale Forest]

Hirvonen could very easily disobey team orders, after all, 1.2 seconds is very little.

[xavier]

Hirvonen could very easily disobey team orders, after all, 1.2 seconds is very little.

Mikko is a professional. He won't, he will slow down in SS18 to make sure him and Seb can do the Power stage without having to worry about the final classification

[focus206]

Petter is talking about quite worn tyres... no good for power stage :\

[Langdale Forest]

I begin to suspect that there is something behind Loeb having so many wins..........

[focus206]

seems like the two Mini of Motorsport Italia have stopped, no times from them...

[Francis44]

I begin to suspect that there is something behind Loeb having so many wins..........

Yes for sure his talent and honesty.

[N.O.T]

I begin to suspect that there is something behind Loeb having so many wins..........

You are right !!!

Hirvonen for the win...go mikko !!! he can do it....

[Langdale Forest]

I think it is very unfair to make Hirvonen finish 2nd, because it was Citroens fault that he was disqualified in Portugal, so he should be allowed to fight for the win.

[N.O.T]

Hirvonens master plan is working... he lost some time now in order for Loeb to sleep...

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

Just do it Mikko, you know you want to.

Dani testing multiple setups.....interesting.

[Langdale Forest]

Yes for sure his talent and honesty.

and Citroen not allowing Sordo to win in Spain.........

[N.O.T]

AAIDD (http://www.aaidd.org/)

[N.O.T]

Tanak on ss18

[Langdale Forest]

AAIDD (http://www.aaidd.org/)

BBC News - Q&A: Greek debt crisis (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13798000)

[Negaiss]

and Citroen not allowing Sordo to win in Spain.........
To say Sordo or Hirvonen are not allowed to win is not realy correct. Correct would be to say that they are not allowed to fight for the win to protect perfect citroen results. I personally think that if they would be allowed to fight, Loeb would still win.

[Crocone]

I don't know if it was asked before. But the power stage is televised? If yes, on which TV channel?

[N.O.T]

Solberg will pass Ogier on this one...

[N.O.T]

I don't know if it was asked before. But the power stage is televised? If yes, on which TV channel?

i don't think so.

[Negaiss]

I bet on Loeb to win powerstage.

[Langdale Forest]

Solberg still has the pace to win rallies, he just needs some better luck and a works Citroen, oh, but that wouldn't mean he could win.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13798000

[oyunbozan]

whoever wins, without a good fight, it is boring and this is what matters most for the sport.
boring rallies → less spectators → less tv coverage → less sponsors → less teams and manufacturers → less talented drivers → death of sport.

[Langdale Forest]

whoever wins, without a good fight, it is boring and this is what matters most for the sport.
boring rallies → less spectators → less tv coverage → less sponsors → less teams and manufacturers → less talented drivers → death of sport.

Totally agree. :)


Citroen has been like a programmed machine this weekend, Loeb programmed to win, and Mikko for 2nd place.

[N.O.T]

whoever wins, without a good fight, it is boring and this is what matters most for the sport.
boring rallies → less spectators → less tv coverage → less sponsors → less teams and manufacturers → less talented drivers → death of sport.

pretty simplistic logic... and totally wrong.

Competition is a plus but most people follow a sport because they like the sport itself... if Loeb leaves or start losing, rallying is not going to get any better numbers if it doesn't change its core.

[Jordib]

I don't know if it was asked before. But the power stage is televised? If yes, on which TV channel?

It's supposed to start a retarded live of PS at 16:00 (in 40 minutes) local time (Argentina) at Fox Sports:

Fox Sports en vivo por internet (http://www.tv-porinternet.com/2011/02/fox-sports-en-vivo-por-internet.html)

[Langdale Forest]

and totally wrong.



BBC News - Q&A: Greek debt crisis (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13798000) :uhoh:

[Viking]

So any power stage predictions?

I'l go..... Solberg - Loeb - Novikov

[N.O.T]

i think it will depend on tyres...1st place is secured by solberg...then we will see.

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

IMO, Mikko moving to Citroen was a very good thing. With VW in next year, if Petter can stick around with a works ride for a few more years, and if mini can get their **** together, things should start getting interesting again.

[TyPat107]

So any power stage predictions?

I'l go..... Solberg - Loeb - Novikov

Solberg sordo loeb

[denkimi]

To say Sordo or Hirvonen are not allowed to win is not realy correct. Correct would be to say that they are not allowed to fight for the win to protect perfect citroen results. I personally think that if they would be allowed to fight, Loeb would still win.
i would rather say they are not allowed to win if there's not at least 1 other car between loeb and first place.

[rallye-vid]

Powerstage: Mikko - Solberg - Loeb

[Viking]

Solberg still has the pace to win rallies, he just needs some better luck and a works Citroen, oh, but that wouldn't mean he could win.


Strange thing is that after its day one curses the Fiestas seems to go as rockets without problems...

[Negaiss]

Loeb - Hirvonen - Neuville

[Potoklosis]

Solberg-Sordo-Loeb

[N.O.T]

no risk by Neuville

[Potoklosis]

on page vysledky-rallye Tanak is leading..

[MTA]

Sordo stop?

[Gard]

oh. MW no...

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

Oh, dammit danny.....

[N.O.T]

no sordo ??? hirvonen second in the PS....

[MTA]

19:41 Sordo stopped on Power Stage
GPS tracking data indicates that Dani Sordo has come to a halt near the beginning of the Power Stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ford curse is beyond a joke now... :(

[rallye-vid]

Want to get penalty and help Petter?

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo :confused:

[focus206]

Oooh, come on... :(

[bt52b]

Want to get penalty and help Petter?
evil mind ;)

[rallye-vid]

me..? nooooo ;)

[N.O.T]

No risk for Loeb... another win in the bag !!!! No 70 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

INSANE !!!!

Citroen signing of Hirvonen was a check mate move !!! Now they control everything... the manufacturers title... the drivers title... a clean sweep.

And now enough with the kids events... Acropolis is next !!!!!!!!

[N.O.T]

Want to get penalty and help Petter?


hmmm i do not think so... do something like that means they quit the manufacturers title...

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2yb2mhpAk1qihztbo1_250.gif

Really, it's crazy....

[rallye-vid]

they already know they will not get the title.. so ...

[focus206]

No, Ford's main goal is still the Manufacturer title, I don't think they would lose a 3rd place to give one or two points more to Petter...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

No conspiracy... Alternator belt gone.

[N.O.T]

they already know they will not get the title.. so ...

The drivers title is even harder...

[blissard]

Ain't this typical..., well this means Østberg gets another podium finish. And Petter taking 3 points for power stage win..

I'm asking for one rally, just ONE rally, where none of the factory drivers gets in trouble. If Petter wins just ONE rally, I'll be a happy man again.

[Viking]

Clean sweep of stagewins today for Petter, in total he has won 11 / 19 stages

[rallye-vid]

No conspiracy... Alternator belt gone.

there are enough girls with pantyhose around to help him out ;)

[N.O.T]

I'm asking for one rally, just ONE rally, where none of the factory drivers gets in trouble.

the problem is that if the above happens peter has no chance of winning...

I would also like for him to win one rally it would be nice for him...and it would be very important since his career is close to an end.

[Tom206wrc]

No conspiracy... Alternator belt gone.


PIPO Moteurs french mafia ??? :s

[rallye-vid]

Gerard Quinn
talking Carlos now......possibly electrical.

[userwave]

I hate you.

Which radio? Becs etc?

Yep :)

[pettersolberg29]

Another podium for Ostberg! I'm among the people who don't rate him that highly as I believe his pace is still '2nd class', however his consistency since the end of last season is incredible. 5 events in a row on the podium for Mads now!

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

It's been fun kids. See ya'll next time when greece drops; looking forward to nots updates and insight on that rally. Oh, and LETS GO DUPLESSIS!! Until then, hope you all get to enjoy the greatness of....

http://i43.tinypic.com/1trf2v.gif

[rallye-vid]

@FordWRC
Dani retires from podium spot at start of last stage.Suspect alternator failure.

[TyPat107]

No conspiracy... Alternator belt gone.

So it's not the mini or the ford... It's dani!

[rallyfiend]

Malcolm's dog is gonna get a hell of a kicking tonight.

[KKS]

there are enough girls with pantyhose around to help him out ;)

Every girl have valve's and head gasket in his bags?

[amilk]

I just hope Ford will not loose his patience with MW and WRC itself

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

What are you talking about valves?

[N.O.T]

I just hope Ford will not loose his patience with MW and WRC itself

i hope they do on the wilson part....

[Gherid_lacksGPS]

Every girl have valve's and head gasket in his bags?

Not many, but if you find one, she's a keeper. :-)

[oyunbozan]

pretty simplistic logic... and totally wrong.

Competition is a plus but most people follow a sport because they like the sport itself... if Loeb leaves or start losing, rallying is not going to get any better numbers if it doesn't change its core.

nice try löeb fan. i said who ever wins incl. löeb. team orders banned for a reason, you know. but fia commisioners don't have the guts for it. they should not make manufacturers feel sorry for their orders to stoping drivers to push or taking penalties to let 1st team driver to pass. there is no logic in pushing to the end and racing for a deserved victory eh? manufacturers are domminant on fia. and it sucks badly.

sordo will not come back to ford ever after this bull****. alternator belt broke down in normal stage before last stage, ah yea.. it looks to be a late desicion to retire him to me. manufacturers title is totaly imposible because citroen has the most consistent drivers of today..

the core of rally? what has changed since early 90's? rally became circuit racing or i am in paralel universe? no, the missing thing is the action. the racing is missing, there is only "team desicions". drivers bound hand and foot coz there is not enough teams and manufacturers, why? they left the sport.. why? economics: less sponsor money to run teams.. why? not enough tv coverage.. why? not enough spectators... why? because it is getting boring and boring... i love rally since 91, and i saw it on TV and until 2003, i had never seen a rally car. today, i can only watch rally on youtube, none of national TVs ever show even 10 minutes of rally.

[EightGear]

Unbelievable.... Sordo deserved it. Retiring on the last stage while he survied all stages... Rally 2 is ugly.

[amilk]

not enough spectators... why? because it is getting boring and boring... i love rally since 91, and i saw it on TV and since 2003, i have never seen a rally car. today, i can only watch rally on youtube, none of national TVs ever shows even 10 minutes of rally.

Not enough spectators? based on what you say this?

[michpetter]

wrc is a joke
half of the points scorers finished thanks to Rally2

[J4MIE]

Incredible 70th win for Loeb, and again cruising through most of the rally...

I willo get to Argentina for the rally one day, it always looks superb :up:

Looking forward to Greece now, lets hope there is a good fight for the win, I know who I will be cheering for :bounce: