[ERC] 2012 European Rally Championship

[RICARDO75]

Tests from:

Hänninen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1su-qFwumxk&feature=em-uploademail)

Miguel Nunes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8A49ZAimBw&feature=em-uploademail)

Ana Sofia Correia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=064t1zF8NKU&feature=em-uploademail)

[Luis Pacheco]

Sousa testing
Especial Rali Vinho da Madeira - 2012 de 24 Jul 2012 - RTP Play - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/play/p917/e88664/rali-vinho-da-madeira-2012)

[Luis Pacheco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OARSMptucPM&feature=player_embedded

[GL Media Pro]

https://vimeo.com/46451920
HD Video: Autograph Session Rali Vinho da Madeira 2012 by Ellegy:
Rali Vinho da Madeira Channel TV by Ellegy (http://ralivm.ellegy.tv)

[GL Media Pro]

https://vimeo.com/46452313
Test Lotus Rali Vinho da Madeira 2012 by Ellegy:
Lotus International Rally Channel TV (http://lotus.ellegy.tv)

[RICARDO75]

More tests

Bruno Magalhães (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7AjDgblfwU&feature=player_embedded)

Vitor Sá (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y5QAqPiEDzU)

Bernardo Sousa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzuMT3h3dSg&feature=player_embedded)

[wildboar]

When is the shakedown? That would give some first indication of the speed of the Lotus.

[Francis44]

Hanninen fastest on shakedown with 1:54:9. Magalhães second with 1:55:00.

For some reason Lotus missed the shakedown.

[Francis44]

Bruno Magalhães is now the fastest on the shakedown, beating Hanninen by 0.2 seconds.

Still nothing about the Lotus.

[wildboar]

Here are the live SD-times: RALI VINHO MADEIRA - Resultados processados por am@web (http://www.amaweb.pt/2012/ralivm/)

Maybe Lotus was too late to register for SD? Or just doesn't want to participate, as they've tested enough in the last few days?

[Jarek Z]

Maybe Lotus was too late to register for SD? Or just doesn't want to participate, as they've tested enough in the last few days?

I think they have read your earlier post and do not want to reveal their full potential. They know you are spying on them ;)

[Jarek Z]

A few photos from scrutineering:
Rali Vinho da Madeira (http://www.ralivm.com/gallery/scrutineering.cfm?displayYear=2012)

[Jarek Z]

Bruno Magalhaes still fastest on shakedown. 1:54,7 against Hanninen's 1:54,9.

[Luis Pacheco]

Stream for the super special of Madeira Rallye.
Direto RTP Madeira - RTP Play - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtpmadeira)

I don´t know if the stream is available for viewers out of Portugal...

[hari]

Stream for the super special of Madeira Rallye.
Direto RTP Madeira - RTP Play - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtpmadeira)

I don´t know if the stream is available for viewers out of Portugal...

Yes it works also outside Portugal.

[Luis Pacheco]

Yes it works also outside Portugal.

Tomorrow two stages live:

9h40
12h40
(portuguese time)

[dimviii]

nice video
Rali Vinho Madeira 2012 (Shakedown) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6rguEMrYk8&feature=player_embedded)

[MagnaMike]

Yes, less gravel than in IRC


It saves the paint job!

[Tom206wrc]

Go Bruno, go Vitor :bounce:

[Luis Pacheco]

Live now!
Direto RTP Madeira - RTP Play - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtpmadeira)

[wildboar]

After the first real rally stage, we see that the Lotus Exige is about as fast as expected: slower than the S2000 and N4, but faster than all the others.

[Ucci]

Rok Turk already out......damn....

[Luis Pacheco]

The Lotus went out of the road.
Hanninen had a flat tire.

[N.O.T]

do we have any schedule for the live stages on tv/web ?

[Tom206wrc]

Hanninen had a flat tire.


Same for Betti :confused:

[A FONDO]

GREAT coverage by RTP, as always! I'm almost thinking to start learning portugese. They even showed pics of Sousa and Turk crashes. Only showing stage times can be improved a little.
p.s. liked the green diesel fabia, screeching tyres at every corner :)

[Luis Pacheco]

do we have any schedule for the live stages on tv/web ?

Next stage live will be at 12h40m (portuguese time)

[N.O.T]

Yes great coverage and it is good they show the bottom crews as well...it sure helps them with the sponsor finding.

[N.O.T]

Next stage live will be at 12h40m (portuguese time)

thank you... is there a place to have the whole two day schedule ?

[Luis Pacheco]

thank you... is there a place to have the whole two day schedule ?

Today
Guia de Programação - RTP Madeira (http://www.rtp.pt/EPG/tv/epg-dia.php?canal=4&ac=d&sem=e)

Tomorrow
Guia de Programação - RTP Madeira (http://www.rtp.pt/EPG/tv/epg-dia.php?datai=&dia=29-07-2012&sem=e&idioma=&canal=4&gen=&time=&title=RTP-Madeira)

[Luis Pacheco]

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=504750532875105&set=a.504750526208439.136286.100000204887340&type=1&theater

[N.O.T]

Big Thanks

[Tom206wrc]

I just noticed Bruno Magalhaes was using PIRELLI tyres :confused:

[Francis44]

I just noticed Bruno Magalhaes was using PIRELLI tyres :confused:

Yes he is, probably cheaper.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/427408_4012782091049_1947444123_n.jpghttp://www.rallylink.it/cms12/images/diretteweb_2012/madeira_2012/hanninen_forato.JPGhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/481994_10151153839563083_834083510_n.jpg

[Francis44]

Lotus will not start tomorrow, some damage to the chassis I hear.

[Tom206wrc]

In a few minutes start of the second part of the leg(two loops of stages including for each 4 stages) :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

Something wrong with Hänninen on SS9 ??? :confused:


Edit: no in fact something wrong with Moura's time...1'55 faster than the S2000s :p :

[Ucci]

After first day of Madeira Rally I must say that I'm very positively surprised over Vitor Sa's result. He is yust 10 second behind B.Magalhaes and even more - Hanninen is not able to reduce the gap, which Juho gained with flat tyre. I know he is a local driver, drives this roads for x-attempts (also a 2004 winner), but we have to be fair and say, that his racing mileage is yust a drop in the ocean versus Juho's (every year) mileage and also a privat 207 is a ''wheelbarrow'' compare to factory Fabia.
Secondly-locals with R4 evos are without the slightest chance against S2000 drivers.
Roll on the second day.......

[Francis44]

After first day of Madeira Rally I must say that I'm very positively surprised over Vitor Sa's result. He is yust 10 second behind B.Magalhaes and even more - Hanninen is not able to reduce the gap, which Juho gained with flat tyre. I know he is a local driver, drives this roads for x-attempts (also a 2004 winner), but we have to be fair and say, that his racing mileage is yust a drop in the ocean versus Juho's (every year) mileage and also a privat 207 is a ''wheelbarrow'' compare to factory Fabia.
Secondly-locals with R4 evos are without the slightest chance against S2000 drivers.
Roll on the second day.......

He must not forget some of the rally's run on the Island use the same stages as in this rally. Vitor Sá is doing good ofcourse, but few know those roads better than him.

For me the surprise is Bruno Magalhães. Even with all that time stopped he still leads, plus even without puncture Hanninen would be chasing him.

[Luis Pacheco]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jEkVYfy-NE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[dimviii]

ERC Rali Vinho Madeira 2012 - DAY 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-CuR6mn1rQ&feature=player_embedded#!)

[dimviii]

Why Moura is so slow compared to Nunes -Magalhaes -Freitas with evo X?

[Mirek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jEkVYfy-NE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Clearly the puncture was not his mistake. Strange those stones were on the road behind the corner when Juho was No.1 so there was no-one driving before him...

[dimviii]

at which minute Mirek?

[Luis Pacheco]

Live stage now
Direto RTP Madeira - RTP Play - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtpmadeira)

[Luis Pacheco]

Live stage nowDireto RTP Madeira - RTP Play - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtpmadeira)

[dimviii]

Just before the end of the video.

thanks!

[Luis Pacheco]

Clearly the puncture was not his mistake. Strange those stones were on the road behind the corner when Juho was No.1 so there was no-one driving before him...

The zero cars may have cut the edge and laid the stones for the road. The following competitors also picked up the stones on the path.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=425115214207943&set=a.116077121778422.18456.114590711927063&type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=425114824207982&set=a.116077121778422.18456.114590711927063&type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=425114724207992&set=a.116077121778422.18456.114590711927063&type=1&theater

[A FONDO]

The zero cars may have cut the edge and laid the stones for the road. The following competitors also picked up the stones on the path.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=425115214207943&set=a.116077121778422.18456.114590711927063&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/#%21/photo.php?fbid=425115214207943&set=a.116077121778422.18456.114590711927063&type=1&theater)

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=425114824207982&set=a.116077121778422.18456.114590711927063&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/#%21/photo.php?fbid=425114824207982&set=a.116077121778422.18456.114590711927063&type=1&theater)

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=425114724207992&set=a.116077121778422.18456.114590711927063&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/#%21/photo.php?fbid=425114724207992&set=a.116077121778422.18456.114590711927063&type=1&theater)
Where can we see these onboards? I found only Bruno in the "Disneyland" stage.

[Sulland]

What happened to the Lotus, driver or car error?

Times not bad for first competition, but too bad they did not get more data.

[Mirek]

The zero cars may have cut the edge and laid the stones for the road. The following competitors also picked up the stones on the path.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=425115214207943&set=a.116077121778422.18456.114590711927063&type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=425114824207982&set=a.116077121778422.18456.114590711927063&type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=425114724207992&set=a.116077121778422.18456.114590711927063&type=1&theater

Thank You Luis


What happened to the Lotus, driver or car error?

Crash, photo is somewhere in this tread.

[Luis Pacheco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OitNmszHgxI&feature=player_embedded

[A FONDO]

too bad they did not get more data.

Thats what happens when you try to make "something" from "nothing". You cant develop a new car with only one driver, especially when he is unexpirienced.

[Mirek]

There isn't just one driver testing.

[Luis Pacheco]

Last stage live now
Direto RTP Madeira - RTP Play - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/play/direto/rtpmadeira)

[Luis Pacheco]

Hanninen stop in the stage with fuel pression problem but he finish the stage late.

[Tom206wrc]

Pitty for him :mark:

[Jarek Z]

What happened to the Lotus, driver or car error?

Times not bad for first competition, but too bad they did not get more data.

Times not bad? Are you joking? Where did you see that? :)

Lotus is an exciting project, but they chose the wrong driver :(

[Luis Pacheco]

Mirek, thats why Hanninen punctured ;)

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=3954190686820&set=a.2143539901682.2118707.1041765523&type=1&theater

[dimviii]

Mirek, thats why Hanninen punctured ;)

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=3954190686820&set=a.2143539901682.2118707.1041765523&type=1&theater
not available at moment the link.

[Mirek]

I too can't see anything :(

[Luis Pacheco]

I too can't see anything :(

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/561091_3954190686820_744847856_n.jpg

[Mirek]

So the stones were taken on the road by a pushing zero car?

[Francis44]

The "stones" were there for the first few cars. Television reporters made a comparison and the dirt was there for Betti and Sá aswell.

[modri dirkac]

http://shrani.si/f/2b/7Y/62MRfQd/mad-2591.jpg

Some more photos: Rally Vinho da Madeira 2012 | galerija | foto Modlic - odli?ni do zadnjega piksla! (http://www.foto-modlic.si/galerija/2012/07/rally-vinho-da-madeira-2012)

[Mirek]

Times not bad? Are you joking? Where did you see that? :)

Lotus is an exciting project, but they chose the wrong driver :(

They said already long time a go they would be between S2000 and R3 cars and that's exactly where they were in those few stages. None of us can expect the Lotus to be fighting with properly driven S2000. There's no chance for that. But on the other hand they were clearly fastest among 2WD and if I'm not mistaken the car is eligible for IRC 2WD cup.

[Jeppe]

They said already long time a go they would be between S2000 and R3 cars and that's exactly where they were in those few stages. None of us can expect the Lotus to be fighting with properly driven S2000. There's no chance for that. But on the other hand they were clearly fastest among 2WD and if I'm not mistaken the car is eligible for IRC 2WD cup.

..and absolutely best looking 2WD rally car by far. What is always very important to rally car ;) ;)

[Luis Pacheco]

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10151321162786632&set=a.10150630003036632.484574.823951631&type=1&theater&notif_t=photo_reply

[dimviii]

lol

[Luis Pacheco]

RTP Madeira resumeEspecial Rali Vinho da Madeira - 2012 de 30 Jul 2012 - RTP Play - RTP (http://www.rtp.pt/play/p917/e89154/rali-vinho-da-madeira-2012)

[GL Media Pro]

HD Video Rali Vinho da Madeira Leg 2 Highlights, by Ellegy:
Rali Vinho da Madeira Channel TV by Ellegy (http://ralivm.ellegy.tv/index.php?gara=209&video=763&s1=1&s2=1)
or
ELLEGY CHANNEL TV (http://ellegy.ellegy.tv/index.php?cat=1&gara=209&video=763&s1=1&s2=1&s3=1)

https://vimeo.com/46609104

[Luis Pacheco]

Onboard Bruno Magalhães RVM 2012 pec 19


http://vimeo.com/46746943

[GL Media Pro]

https://vimeo.com/46866383

Rali Vinho da Madeira 2012 - ERC TV Magazine by Ellegy.

FIA ERC Web Channel TV by Ellegy (http://erc.ellegy.tv/index.php?gara=214&video=766&s1=1&s2=1)

[A FONDO]

Just found this reservoir of videos :)

Racing-Action (http://www.racing-action.com/)

[mousti]

From today off they are on Youtube now too

RacingAction - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/RacingAction)

[GL Media Pro]

Lotus International Rally - Rali Vinho da Madeira
Lotus International Rally Channel TV (http://lotus.ellegy.tv)

https://vimeo.com/46879301

[veegog]

Hello everybody :)
Probably there is info somewhere but I just looked in this thread.
What is the plan for next year European rally championship? Any news yet?

[Mirek]

I think that it was not mentioned here but Juho Hänninen is already European Champion. His presence in this season showed clearly the level the championship has.

1. Hänninen 203 points
2. Solowow 49 points
...

[mousti]

Full IRC program now for him would be the best, so he can take away Andreas his IRC title gift :p

[OldF]

Juho said on MTV3’s web site (2.9.2012) that probably they wouldn’t drive any ERC rallies anymore. The programme for the rest of the season is still open. He mentioned that the bosses have a meeting next week and after that he’ll know more.

Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2012%2F09%2F1608746%2Fsuomalaiskuski-rallin-em-kultaan-44-vuoden-tauon-jalkeen)

Here in Finland the ERC haven’t had much publicity even in motorsport magazine “Vauhdin Maailma”. I believe the ERC had more importance before the drivers WRC or maybe already before the manufacturers WRC. I didn’t follow rallying so closely in the 70’s and the first years of the 80’s so I’m not sure about the publicity in the 70’s.

WRC has so far been concentrated in Europe, which decreased the importance & publicity of ERC.

[Tom206wrc]

News entrylist Rallye Principe Asturias(Spain) :confused:

[Hartusvuori]

Juho said on MTV3’s web site...

It's all from Juho's newsletter actually. Team bosses are having the said meeting this week. He could appear in IRC this year, I hope.

[Mirek]

News entrylist Rallye Principe Asturias(Spain) :confused:

ERC: http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/soubor.php?f=13400
National: http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/soubor.php?f=13415

[Ucci]

ERC: http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/soubor.php?f=13400
National: http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/soubor.php?f=13415

Very atractive National entry list. Pons also in 911 GT3. With all this fast drivers behind the whell of 911's the overall winner should be on of them.....

[tolis]

Esapekka Lappi will drive Hanninen's works Skoda Fabia S2000 in Poland!
Al-Kuwari will also do the rally.

[br21]

Esapekka Lappi will drive Hanninen's works Skoda Fabia S2000 in Poland!
Al-Kuwari will also do the rally.

Also Kruuda, from foreigners also Tlustak, Cerny...
so it should be one of the best entry lists for this rally in recent years, with around 10 S2000 cars and few very fast R4 ones...

[veegog]

I see now that Poland - ERC and Sliven - IRC are in the same time :rolleyes:

Not good for the entries...

Most of the European private teams/drivers will go in Poland !

[Wim_Impreza]

This weekend IRC Yalta and ERC Asturias is also in the same weekend... Antonín Tlust'ák is leading in Asturias.

[RS]

Asturias must have the worst ERC-entry list ever. 2 S2000, 2 S1600, one R3T and 13 other FWD cars... The good thing is that it can only get better from now on...

The whole of rallying is suffering. This weekend, Asturias ERC poor, IRC Yalta Poor, WRC Wales poor...

I hope the ERC/IRC merger goes ahead and they cut the calendar down.

[Mirek]

Tlusťák crashed, Antxustegi mechanical problem. Both out.

[eloyf1]

A spectator has died in Tlusťák's crash. And there are rumours they still want to run a last stage this afternoon. Shameful...

[dimviii]

oh no....

[kornes]

Bad rally for the organization, with many problems...
ERC for the next year? ...

[eloyf1]

There is a photo from the place of the crash... I will not post it directly in any case: http://static.onpeliculas.net/images/online/mp/10699_full.jpg

[dimviii]

seems it was in a junction

[Mirek]

Again... :(

[pucky54]

Again... :(

Looks like the year has to come to an end fastly. 2012 is a disaster for our sport!!!! R.I.P.

[Mirek]

It was not a spectator but an accredited photographer according to the article I found. All our friend photographers and cameramen please take care of yourself. The vest doesn't make You immortal.

Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mascoche.net%2Fcompeticion%2F20 12%2F09%2F15%2Frally-principe-asturias-2012-fallece-fotografo-arrollado%2F)

[Ondra WRC]

Official: http://www.citadecampeones.com/rallyprincipe/2012docs/comunicado-especial-e.pdf

[Mirek]

A correction. According to Tlusťák it was really a spectator. He said the people were standing on the railguard on the outer side of a tightening corner. He was wide and went over the railguard with almost no damage on the car...

[Ucci]

Condolence to the family of the unfortunate spectator.

[Jarek Z]

Two drivers announced their presence in the next ERC round, Rally Poland. Krzysztof Holowczyc is going to drive Subaru Impreza R4 from Tommi Makinen Racing.
The second driver is a Finnish talent Esapekka Lappi who is going to drive Ford Fiesta S2000.

[Mirek]

Lappi will drive works Fabia S2000, Jarek ;)

[Bartek]

I can't confirm this but they are rumors about Bryan and 208 as a 0 car in Rally Poland. But like i said this can be sci-fi :)

[tolis]

54 entries so far!

[Jeppe]

54 entries so far!

Entry list?

[tolis]

Kosciuszko in a Fiesta RRC!

[Jarek Z]

Entry list?

Not yet! It was closed just yesterday.
Another driver, who has sent his entry is Michal Kosciuszko. He will drive Ford Fiesta RRC.

[Jarek Z]

Holek's new car:

http://www.holek.pl/images/joomgallery/details/krzysztof_hoowczyc_5/69_rajd_polski_8/69_rajd_polski_20120918_1305166210.jpg

[PLuto]

I think entry list in Poland will not be so bad. All drivers of polish championship + Solowow + Kosciuszko + foreigners (Tlustak, Cerny, Al-Kuwari, .......)

[tolis]

+Lappi :)

[kober]

Why R4 for Holowczyc, not a S2000?

[PLuto]

+Lappi :)

Yes, I forgot to mention him. But there will be also some other good foreign drivers ;)

[PLuto]

Why R4 for Holowczyc, not a S2000?

He was driving R4 also last year. Maybe it is better for him...

[rallye-vid]

Kosciuszko in a Fiesta RRC!

http://foto.rallyonline.pl/news_tmp2/12polski01kosckuszko_barwy-460.jpg

[Bartek]

Rajd Polski - Bouffier w Rajdzie Polski - Wiadomo?ci - Rajdy - autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/bouffier-w-rajdzie-polski,44919) > Confirmation about what i told few days ago :)

[OldF]

Rajd Polski - Bouffier w Rajdzie Polski - Wiadomo?ci - Rajdy - autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/bouffier-w-rajdzie-polski,44919) > Confirmation about what i told few days ago :)

Nice translation by Google.

“Bryan Bouffier and Xavier Panseri Peugeot 208 will go as kindergarten R2 Rally Polish.”

Rajd Polski must be one of the eldest rally still in ERC. I have a book from 1967 and there the first results are from 1960.

[Mirek]

It has same name but it's not the same rally. I don't know the whole history but some ten years a go Rajd Polski was held hundreds of kilometers to the south on asphalt roads.

[stefanvv]

Nice translation by Google.

“Bryan Bouffier and Xavier Panseri Peugeot 208 will go as kindergarten R2 Rally Polish.”

If R2 is kindergarten, then what is R1? :D

[OldF]

What is more important for a rally? The same name or the same location?

Yes, it was on tarmac also juwra.com**|**Rallies - Poland (http://www.juwra.com/poland.html)

By the books I have which mention “Rajd Polski” the route was about 3000 km ( in the mid 60’s). The other book says 24 SS and the other 150 km of SS.

The book saying 150km of SS was originally written by Stuart Turner.

[OldF]

If R2 is kindergarten, then what is R1? :D

Maybe baby class. :)

[stefanvv]

What is more important for a rally? The same name or the same location?

Yes, it was on tarmac also juwra.com**|**Rallies - Poland (http://www.juwra.com/poland.html)

By the books I have which mention “Rajd Polski” the route was about 3000 km ( in the mid 60’s). The other book says 24 SS and the other 150 km of SS.

The book saying 150km of SS was originally written by Stuart Turner.

I can assure you, the location matters a lot. Here in Bulgaria we used to have our so called Rally Bulgaria (Zlatni/Albena used to be called before) and it was in completely different part of the country with stages not alike at all. But not everything comes to the stage characteristics, Rally HQ makes big difference also.

[Bartek]

It has same name but it's not the same rally. I don't know the whole history but some ten years a go Rajd Polski was held hundreds of kilometers to the south on asphalt roads.

Yes, it was 5minutes from my home, near Kraków. I prefer that stages but also this in North of Poland are good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15cIpSAQ2RI&feature=relatedOld Old Rally Poland :)

[GL Media Pro]

49. Rallye Principe de Asturias, European Rally Championship TV Magazine by Ellegy.

https://vimeo.com/49853757
The video is online also on:
49. Rallye Principe de Asturias 2012 - ERC TV Magazine (http://erc2012.ellegy.tv/video/49853757)
or
FIA ERC Web Channel TV by Ellegy (http://erc.ellegy.tv/index.php?gara=224&s1=1)
or
ELLEGY CHANNEL TV (http://ellegy.ellegy.tv/index.php?cat=1&gara=224&s1=1&s2=1)

[Tom206wrc]

I hope Bouffier and the 208 R2 won't be on 00 car at the Rajd Polski but among the participant entrylist :confused:


Edit: oh no I've read a page before it will be in 0 car :(

[Mirek]

First Peugeot must homologate the car ;)

[mousti]

I thought zero cars had to be homologated also..

[dupanton]

I thought zero cars had to be homologated also..

Tought so! Maybe he will be 00 or ...

[Mirek]

That's just a theory but applied only in WRC events I think. I think that here in CZ the rules says the zero must not be a race car but it's not fully applied as well. We've seen yet not homoloogated Fabia S2000 as zero in Barum and Sanremo 2008, 207 S2000 in Antibes and Condroz 2006, 208 R2 in Tour de Corse and Norther Ireland 2012 etc...

[dupanton]

That's just a theory but applied only in WRC events I think. I think that here in CZ the rules says the zero must not be a race car but it's not fully applied as well. We've seen yet not homoloogated Fabia S2000 as zero in Barum and Sanremo 2008, 207 S2000 in Antibes and Condroz 2006, 208 R2 in Tour de Corse and Norther Ireland 2012 etc...

I dont think the 207 was a 0-car in Condroz 06, but i'am not sure. In Belgium, they often use a number like 01 for not homologated cars. They drive between 0 and 1 car.

[dupanton]

0-car was Bouffier with 207 S2000, 01-car was Loix with Polo S2000. ;)

Close enough :)

[tolis]

ERC Rajd Polski Entry list: http://rajdpolski.pl/pliki/pliki/wyniki/2012/lista/FIA-ERC-lista-zgloszen.pdf

[Mirek]

Our Polish photographers, please make some photos of miss Tushkanova :D

[dimviii]

Our Polish photographers, please make some photos of miss Tushkanova :D

Even not Polish ,i can help
http://tushkanova.com/wp-content/gallery/2010_inessa_mitsubishi_evo_fotosessia/img__05.jpg

[uranium]

http://www.prikoly24.ru/devushki/7903-inessa-tushkanova-v-playboy-6-foto.html

[uranium]

http://www.liveinternet.ru/journalshowcomments.php?jpostid=177293834&journalid=1681659&go=next&categ=0

[Hartusvuori]

So, any volunteers to check does she wear proper FIA underwear?

[Juha_Koo]

Inessa Tushkanova is the most beautiful rally woman by far, damn...! Good Facebook page too. :D

[uranium]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFtb24bduyI

Blue subaru is Tushkanova

[uranium]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw5PpD4nh8k&feature=player_detailpage#t=39 8s

From 6:35 about this episode :)

[rallysupportnl]

PHOTO'S (http://www.rallysupport.nl/index.php?id=199/) and VIDEO (http://youtu.be/zUfABKDqUnk/) Hellendoorn rally 2012 online!

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/hellendoorn2012/Hellendoorn2012RS0001a.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/hellendoorn2012/Hellendoorn2012RS0043.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/hellendoorn2012/Hellendoorn2012RS0194.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2012B/hellendoorn2012/Hellendoorn2012RS0191.JPG

[PLuto]

Antonin Tlustak will not start on Rajd Polski, car is not ready in time after Asturias...

[EightGear]

Pieter Tsjoen probably with a Citroen DS3 RRC for Vallais.

[PLuto]

Till he will be standing on start line of the rally, it is still "probably". Especially with Tsjoen and his starts abroad :)

[OldF]

Interview with Esapekka Lappi.

iRally | The free independent Rally App for the iPhone, iPad and Android (http://irallylive.com/ir_pod.htm?00000310)

[HarriK]

Unofficially:
Qualification fastest Esapekka Lappi

Wyniki 69. Rajdu Polski | autoguard.pl (http://rajdy.autoguard.pl/wyniki/erc#!r=25&o=780)

[Mirek]

The link shows nothing to me. If someone else has similar problem here is another source for qualification results: Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14388)

[PLuto]

Results from rally will be available here: Rajd Polski 2012 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2012/rajd-polski-2012/)

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like something happened to Kajetanowicz(I think wheel off and 40" penalty according to Autoklub) :confused:

[Mirek]

Eh? The rally starts only tomorrow...

[Jeppe]

Mirek, you are late ;) Today was qualification stage..

[Mirek]

Yes but how can You get penalty in a stage which is not part of the rally?

Edit: It's no penalty. They just write he finished QS 40 seconds behind Lappi due to broken wheel.

[Jeppe]

If there is some penalty, it has to relate Polish Championship regs someway..

[Jeppe]

Edit: It's no penalty. They just write he finished QS 40 seconds behind Lappi due to broken wheel.

That makes sense.. Luckily it´s ´only´ qualifying stage. I think KK is the only one who can challenge EP-L in the Rajd Polski.

[rallye-vid]

Start order tomorrow:

1. Mariusz Nowocien
2. Felix
3. Al-Kuwari Abdullaziz
4. Michal Kosciuszko
5. Esapekka Lappi
6. Grzegorz Grzyb
7. Maciej Rzeznik
8. Zbigniew Staniszewski
9. Wojciech Chuchala
10. Michal Solowow
11. Karl Kruuda
12.Tomasz Kuchar
13. Marcin Gagacki
14. Lukasz Habaj
15. Michal Bebenek
16. Krzysztof Holowczyc
17. Szymon Ruta
18. Jaroslaw Koltun
19. Grzegorz Dul
20. Krzysztof Oleksowicz
21. Kajetan Kajetanowicz
22. Inessa Tushkanova

[mousti]

Tsjoen will be there, livery has already been showed. Last year it was Msport's fault. I remember he started abroad in Italy and did it quite good against the locals.

Verstuurd van mijn SK17i met Tapatalk

[PLuto]

Complete start list to first leg of Rajd Polski: Rajd Polski 2012 - Start order - leg 1 - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2012/rajd-polski-2012/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=252)

[Juha_Koo]

OES Records video, incl. Lappi hitting a rail and Kajto in problems. 69 Rajd Polski 2012 - Kajto Przygoda by OesRecords - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRLdbJEN-x0)

[br21]

Kajetanowicz broke left front suspension during cut na qualifying stage, later because of that he hit a barrier with right side and make a spin, so 40sec lost

[rallye-vid]

Lappi said, there was tarmac under the gravel so it was difficult to drive ;)

Trying to learn the Skoda as he couldn't test it before the rally.

[eestlane]

Is there free practise times somewhere?

[rallye-vid]

Yep, here.

Can't see them with opera, but works with chrome.


Unofficially:
Qualification fastest Esapekka Lappi

Wyniki 69. Rajdu Polski | autoguard.pl (http://rajdy.autoguard.pl/wyniki/erc#!r=25&o=780)

[kober]

2. FelixWho's "Felix"?

[Tom206wrc]

Go for SS1 :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Kuchar :confused:

[HarriK]

Where's Kuchar :confused:
10th place after ss1

[Tom206wrc]

News SS1 ??? Stage stopped ??? Something happened to Chmielewski ??? :confused:


Edit: OK probably a timing problem, everything in order, Chmielewski fastest of 2WDs ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Timing problems for SS4 :confused:
No crew finished yet whereas stage started about 20' ago :mark:

[rallye-vid]

SS4 overall

Lappi
Kosciuszko +2.3

[Bartek]

Lappi, this guy have potential

[Mirek]

There's a little video with Černý before the event. He said he was very happy with the stages, nice nature, friendly people and everything. He is happy to drive on gravel after a long time despite he had no test and needed to find good setup during the rally.

Anyway great battle of Lappi and Kosciuszko :)

[Co-FIN]

Lappi, this guy have potential

And lots of it. He won every event in Finnish National Championship this year and was faster than Ogier in many stages at NORF.

Plus he´s young and only has done rallying only 3 years now so he´s still developing. Maybe most promising guy from Finland atm.

[PLuto]

Start list to second leg - Rajd Polski 2012 - Start order - leg 2 - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2012/rajd-polski-2012/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=253)

[rallye-vid]

Michèle Mouton visited today the rally.

[Juha_Koo]

EPL first day short comments

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwdKRwIvhmM

[had_zachau]

69 Rajd Polski 2012 - Felix / Włoch Crash by OesRecords


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f291Co6mqhw

[darkstar]

here´s a onboard from lappi:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybVDDXYUw0I&feature=g-u-u

that guy really has some talent, kosciuszko isn´t a nosepicker too(maybe not fastest guy on earth for sure but also not the slowest ;) ) and lappi bashes him hard on homesoil at a for lappi unknown rallye.

btw: kosziuszko just stopped in stage 10...

[rallye-vid]

Kosciuszko stopped on SS10

[Mirek]

Two main battles are both over now. Kosciuszko crashed and now also Jan Chmielewski fighting for 2WD victory with Jan Černý is stopped :(

[Juha_Koo]

Lappi takes a dominant victory in Poland. Excellent!

Shame that onboard(s) audio was fcked up.

[Ucci]

Congratulations to young Lappi for a very convincing victory. About other drivers: average performance by Solowow, Kosciuszko did what he is able to (shame for retirement) and we got another proof that R4 class has no chance on the gravel against S2000. I expected at least on some stages that Kajetanowicz will be in contact with best S2000 drivers, but nothing out of that....

[PLuto]

Kajetanowicz had big disadvantage because of bad starting position yesterday.

[Mirek]

He also broke wheel again yesterday...

[OldF]

Imo it was a mature drive from Esapekka. Had to push but not going over the limit of his skills.

And as he said on MTV3 web site (or whoever did the original interview): “A nice rally. Thanks to Skoda for the opportunity to drive this rally”.

[darkstar]

another onboard from lappi:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKMluR3vSEk&feature=g-u-u

[Jarek Z]

What a great driver this young Lappi is! In his first visit in Poland and in a new car he wins 10 out of 13 stages and of course the whole rally. Lappi, who is 21 now, is the youngest ever driver who won Rally Poland.

http://rallyonline.pl/ft.php?idg=6292&pg_[go]=4

[Jarek Z]

Kuchar rolled on the second day...
=24]Rallyonline.pl - fotogaleria (http://rallyonline.pl/ft.php?idg=6292&pg_[go)

[Jarek Z]

Bouffier and his 208 R2
=1]Rallyonline.pl - fotogaleria (http://rallyonline.pl/ft.php?idg=6293&pg_[go)

[Jarek Z]

And Citroen DS3 R1
=+DESC&modex=pokaz&T[id]=6291]DS3 R1 (http://rallyonline.pl/g.php?1&pg_[desc)

[Mirek]

Spectacular accident of Kruuda:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6AaJqNPVF0&feature=player_embedded

[fotodarius.lt]

2012 Rally Poland

[makinen_fan]

Spectacular accident of Kruuda:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6AaJqNPVF0&feature=player_embedded

Very nice vid, great viewing angle. shame it ended like that.

[Mirek]

Videos :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QLnHYf2rk

[Mirek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waCE7k_kbOQ

[Mirek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVGFAdf3oB0

[OldF]

Narrow and soft stages but fast. Maybe it’s from my background but I like rallies where gravel is flying. :)

[Mirek]

One more thing to mention. After Juho Hänninen we know now also 2WD champion. It's Jan Černý who did only four events but won all of them (Jänner, Mille Miglia, Barum, Rajd Polski).

[Jarek Z]

Congratulations to the Czech youngster! The competition level was not very high, but he is a good driver.

http://foto.rallyonline.pl/GALERIA/jarekz/millemiglia2012/mille2012_jzagorny_39.jpg

[Mirek]

The level of ERC drivers was low but this year every driver in finish of the event took points in ERC classification which means he won all four rallies of all 2WD not only ERC ones ;)

[GL Media Pro]

69. Rajd Polski/Rally Poland - European Rally Championship TV Magazine by Ellegy:

https://vimeo.com/50788510
Whatch also on:
FIA ERC Web Channel TV by Ellegy (http://erc.ellegy.tv/index.php?gara=229&s1=1)
or
ELLEGY CHANNEL TV (http://ellegy.ellegy.tv/index.php?cat=1&gara=229&s1=1&s2=1)

[Tom206wrc]

Any news about entrylist of Rallye du Valais(held next week) :confused:

[Mirek]

I don't know the list but I was told there was some snow on the roads this week :)

[mousti]

Tsjoen against locals?

[PLuto]

Entry list to Rallye du Valais you can find here - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=14498) (as "Seznam prihlasenych posadek")

[Tom206wrc]

Interesting entrylist finally ;)

[mousti]

Tsjoen is ready to go...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/564855_10151126914793160_1600131781_n.jpg

[dimviii]

nice livery!

[Jarek Z]

Tsjoen's car looks nice idneed.

So who will win the last round? Tsjoen? Betti? Or some local hero?

[mousti]

Think the same, ideal stages for a RRC car and never understimate Tsjoen. Will be interesting what's his evaluation will be for his next program in 2013

[HaCo]

Hope to see him doing ERC 2013! :D

Btw, Rally action will bring live footage from Valais, which is a beautifull rally!

De uitzendingen:
Donderdag van 17h15 tot 18h CET
Vrijdag van 13h tot 13h30 CET
Vrijdag van 19h15 tot 20h CET
Zaterdag van 13h20 tot 14h CET
Zaterdag van 16h45 tot 17h15 CET

On MotorsTV (in Belgium?) and pn riv.ch!

[dupanton]

Hope to see him doing ERC 2013! :D

Btw, Rally action will bring live footage from Valais, which is a beautifull rally!

De uitzendingen:
Donderdag van 17h15 tot 18h CET
Vrijdag van 13h tot 13h30 CET
Vrijdag van 19h15 tot 20h CET
Zaterdag van 13h20 tot 14h CET
Zaterdag van 16h45 tot 17h15 CET

On MotorsTV (in Belgium?) and pn riv.ch!

And Donderdag= Thursday, Vrijdag = Friday and Zaterdag = Saturday :p

[Mirek]

That's quite easy to understand, better than čtvrtek, pátek, sobota or 星期四, 星期五, 星期六? Isn't it :D

[stefanvv]

That's quite easy to understand, better than čtvrtek, pátek, sobota or 星期四, 星期五, 星期六? Isn't it :D

That is easy for Slavians :D The other one might be some tatoo :D

[dupanton]

That's quite easy to understand, better than čtvrtek, pátek, sobota or 星期四, 星期五, 星期六? Isn't it :D

Just wanted to make it clear for everyone :D

[Tom206wrc]

Tsjoen is ready to go...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/564855_10151126914793160_1600131781_n.jpg


On the first drawing of the DS3 RRC he was sponsored by Pirelli, now by Michelin ;)

[Mirek]

Results will be available here as always for ERC and IRC: Rallye du Valais 2012 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2012/rallye-du-valais-2012/)

Start of SS1 just after 3 p.m. today.

[mousti]

Tsjoen directly with a good start 6.3 seconds faster than the unknown Carron? Tlustak not bad either.

[Mirek]

According to Pluto it's unusually hot there and Tsjoen was possibly only one on hard tyres.

[Jarek Z]

Tsjoen directly with a good start 6.3 seconds faster than the unknown Carron?

Good start on SS1, but end of the rally after SS2? Tsjoen loses almost five minutes. Anybody knows what happened?

Did Betti appear on the start line?

[mousti]

I think puncture or technical problem, and Betti not started.

[Medved]

Tsjoen rolled on SS2.

[mousti]

Ah the yearly crash of Tsjoen has happened then..

[Raven]

Ah the yearly crash of Tsjoen has happened then..
Better yearly than quarterly... like Leszek K. ;)

[PLuto]

Good start on SS1, but end of the rally after SS2? Tsjoen loses almost five minutes. Anybody knows what happened?

Did Betti appear on the start line?

As you can see on start list (Rallye du Valais 2012 - List of crews authorised to start - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2012/rallye-du-valais-2012/start-list/authorized-to-start/)), Luca Betti is not startiing here.

[PLuto]

Tsjoen rolled on SS2.

Tsjoen rolled very close to finish line of SS 2, went down out of the road and wasnt able to go back quickly...

[tolis]

DS3 RRC debut in RIV

DS3 RRC au RIV 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLNN10BB3Yg)

[Mirek]

Is it SS3?

[PLuto]

Photo is from SS 3, now I will check viideo.

[PLuto]

Video is from shakedown.

[Mirek]

Are You sure? You said it was really hot during the day but on that video the stewards is clothed like in the winter...

[PLuto]

Video is from shakedown, which was in the morning. It was little bit cold and slippery, especially in first runs. But rally started at 14:00.

[Jarek Z]

Robert Kubica is present in Switzerland, but only as a spectator:
http://www.riv.ch/images/news/rkcd.jpg

[RICARDO75]

Tsjoen lost more than 40s on SS6.
Problems or litle off?

[PLuto]

Tsjoen lost more than 40s on SS6.
Problems or litle off?

Puncture of right rear tyre. He was too cutting on one bridge...

[PLuto]

Antonin Tlustak has technical problems since first stage of second leg. We were trying to find the problem in middle service, changed gearbox and other parts, but problems are still there. It looks like it will be something with electrics, so we will see in night long service.

[mousti]

Robert Kubica is present in Switzerland, but only as a spectator:
http://www.riv.ch/images/news/rkcd.jpg
You can't deny his love for rallying, if he doesn't drive he's spectating same thing a San Remo! :D

[PLuto]

Or preparing to next season? :)

[darkstar]

interesting fight in the top 4 i must say. tsjoen´s times are rather bad , i wonder if he´s just cruising.

[Mirek]

Just got sms from Pluto who is on SS10. Reuche broke wheel but tries to continue.

[darkstar]

lost one minute...

[tolis]

Just saw PLuto here live: Rallye du Valais - Live streaming (http://www.riv.ch/streaming.html) :D

[mousti]

Yep European Rally Championship 2012 Round 11 - RIV - Live 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds65CT9HVJo&feature=channel&list=UL) Tlustak's translator

[mousti]

Offtopic: Kubica saying for november, Italian Rally and one in France (Var) not confirmed yet..

[darkstar]

what´s happening? did it start to rain/snow or something like that? if it continues like that tsjoen is going to win :D

[tolis]

RIV 2012!

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/304302_10151331277979623_778287651_n.png

[Mirek]

Yes, Pluto wrote to me that it's now rain in lower parts of stages, snow, mud and fog in the upper. Moreover many parts of todays stages are on gravel surface! Drivers use various combination of D10 and wet tyres.

[Tom206wrc]

SS12 interrupted :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

...and hasn't SS13 started yet :confused:

[Mirek]

SS13 started, Tlusťák puncture already close after start according to sms from PLuto.

He told that Tsjoen probably used different winter tyres than D10 Michelin, didn't know which ones.