[ERC, MMCR, OERM] Jaennerrallye 2012,

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

The regulations for the 29th Jännerrallye are online, the entries are opened. The entries are closing Dec, 11th 2011.

[Mirek]

I heard that Václav Pech will probably drive Lancer in Jänner because he doesn't have gravel suspension for Mini.

[focus206]

If I understood right, there is no registration for drivers in ERC 2012, so anyone can take points since the first event, right?

[PLuto]

If I understood right, there is no registration for drivers in ERC 2012, so anyone can take points since the first event, right?

Yes. Most of this year ERC drivers are thinking not to continue. Not only because no registration, but also due to style of communication from FIA when they were asking them for changing this decision.

[darkstar]

I heard that Václav Pech will probably drive Lancer in Jänner because he doesn't have gravel suspension for Mini.

if there´s no snow, the rallye is 100% asphalt, isn´t it?

[Mirek]

Yes, but You can't change class after the entry list is approved by FIA, so it would by very risky.

[darkstar]

okay...i just was thinking about if its normally also gravel, was a bit confused :)

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Yes, but You can't change class after the entry list is approved by FIA, so it would by very risky.
According to the regulations the "S2000 turbos" and the R4 cars are in the same class (2). Therefore he could enter the rally in the Mini and change to his Mitsubishi, if there is some snow.

[Mirek]

Is that a change in FIA regulations for 2012?

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

I don´t know, but it looks like that. I was also surprised when I read this in the regulations.

[PLuto]

Is that a change in FIA regulations for 2012?

Yes, they have changed regulations :(

[mousti]

I thought R4 was already at that class, because I remember very well that Vd Heuvel was in Class 2 at the Ypres Entry list.

[Mirek]

R4 was in class 2 but S2000 1.6T not.

[mousti]

Ah yeah true.. But why is that the problem the difference of speed and power is way less in class 2 then in class 1. Or do I forget about something?

[Mirek]

I didn't say it's a problem. Just mentioned it's new ;)

But anyway there will be a change of restrictor size...

[mousti]

Pluto had a sad face :p

I wouldn't be against it if it's not a high number change and with Fia u never know.. Is there a confirmation about that it'll be changed?

[PLuto]

Mousti, you are asking about changing number of class or restrictor?

[mousti]

Restrictor :)

[PLuto]

Actually there is still 30. But one manufacturer (still the same, who is only interested in it) is hardly pushing to change it. It looks that they will do it to 30,8...

[mousti]

Ford pushing it for getting to sell their car ? Just a slight improvement.

[PLuto]

You forgot to add smile into your message. Ford is interested only in WRC events, regional champs are not interesting for them. Ford and Citroen were hardly pushing to FIA not allow 1.6T cars with bigger restrictor in regional championships and start with developing R4T class.

[mousti]

I know they're only interested in WRC events, but because they have to find budget everywhere, they could find some here too and with restrictor change results could be better than before etc. :D Although Mini same situation, and they're indeed more interested to every potential customer in and outside the WRC. A slightly change like 0.8 is very good, I would like it :) .

R4T class is that the class that the Renault (Megane) RX4 will be placed? Or am I totally wrong here.

[Mirek]

So called R4T is something like R3T car with bigger restrictor and controlled 4x4 drivetrain. Rules shall be revealed in December.

[Mirek]

According to organizers these names are on the entry list:

Mikkelsen
Hänninen
Kopecký
Rossetti
Harrach
Stohl
Kresta
Pech
Valoušek
Baumschlager
Betti
Iliev
Winter
Saibel
Donchev
Slavov
Danzinger
Gyoshev
Neubauer
Böhm
Turk
Vergnano

[Hartusvuori]

According to organizers these names are on the entry list:
Mikkelsen
Hänninen
Kopecký

Names on Skoda payroll in 2012?

[Mirek]

See PM ;)

By the way Orsák also confirmed.

[Bartek]

Is Kopecky have full program in MMCR? Should be a nice rally

[Mirek]

I don't know.

[PLuto]

According to organizers these names are on the entry list:

Mikkelsen
Hänninen
Kopecký...



This is not correct. According to organisers these names were INVITED to start on Janner Rallye...

[mousti]

About Kopecky will he have a drive somewhere in 2012?

[PLuto]

For sure he will ;)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

About Kopecky will he have a drive somewhere in 2012?

He will continue with Skoda in 2012... Czech Champ. and some european events
eWRC.cz - Škoda Motorsport pokraèuje s Hänninenem i Kopeckým (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/show.php?id=18372&title=skoda-motorsport-pokracuje-s-hanninenem-i-kopeckym)

[Mirek]

I think that the actual program of Škoda drivers has not been yet decided completely.

[RS]

Will Rossetti be with Punto again in 2012?

[Tom206wrc]

Interesting first entries :cool:

[GL Media Pro]

Interesting first entries :cool:
Tom, where are the first entries?

[Jarek Z]

Will Rossetti be with Punto again in 2012?

I don't know if it is some kind of a mistake, but at autobklub.pl they write that Rossetti is going to be factory driver for Lotus ???
Rossetti łączony z Lotusem - Wiadomości - Rajdy - autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/rossetti-laczony-z-lotusem,39824)

[wwbroe]

I don't know if it is some kind of a mistake, but at autobklub.pl they write that Rossetti is going to be factory driver for Lotus ???
Rossetti łączony z Lotusem - Wiadomości - Rajdy - autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/rossetti-laczony-z-lotusem,39824)

I think that news was comfirmed on several sites today. And good news it is indeed. ;)

[Juha_Koo]

Interesting, I never knew he had track experience. I'm sure he and Kimi will get along nicely. ;)

[RS]

I don't know if it is some kind of a mistake, but at autobklub.pl they write that Rossetti is going to be factory driver for Lotus ???
Rossetti łączony z Lotusem - Wiadomości - Rajdy - autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/rossetti-laczony-z-lotusem,39824)

I would prefer to see Rossetti with a good programme in a "normal" car. These GT cars are for me suitable for old people with a talent deficit.

[Mirek]

Lotus Exige is first ever R-GT car so how can You know what it is capable of or to who it is suitable? This is no heavy overpowered machine but a car with same weight like S2000 cars, more power and mid-engine configuration (of course it's still production based but some potential is definitely there).

[mousti]

Me too, but if u get such an offer a competitive driver like Rox will never refuse that!

[RS]

Lotus Exige is first ever R-GT car so how can You know what it is capable of or to who it is suitable? This is no heavy overpowered machine but a car with same weight like S2000 cars, more power and mid-engine configuration (of course it's still production based but some potential is definitely there).

Ok, but it will only become relevant if some other strong drivers compete with cars in the same class. Rox is a driver capable of fighting at the front of IRC in the right car and I would prefer to see him competing somehwhere on equal terms. I feel the same about his last couple of years in ERC, it seems a waste of a good talent.

[Mirek]

It's quite simple. Will You pay him another car?

Anyway if You want some competition among R-GT, someone just has to be the first if You don't know some kind of magic which creates competition from nothing.

[Jarek Z]

Does anybody know more details about it? Is this R-GT a new rally class? In which championship is Rossetti going to compete?

[Mirek]

Yes, it is new R-GT car. He will use it in ERC. AFAIK there are same people behind this project as were on start of Punto S2000 project.

[Jarek Z]

Thanks for your reply! I must say it sounds quite exciting! The last time I saw any Lotus in action was on a hillcliming event back in 2008 (pictured below). Good luck to this project!

=10]Lotus (http://www.rallyonline.pl/ft.php?idg=3318&pg_[go)

[Salist]

Closing date of entries: 11 Dec 2011
Publication of Entry list: 27 Dec 2011

[liposh]

Why isn´t publication of entry list on 24th December ? :-D

[hari]

Closing date of entries: 11 Dec 2011
Publication of Entry list: 27 Dec 2011

Publication of Entry list is on December 20th in the evening.

[Salist]

Thanks Hari this is a great news.

[GL Media Pro]

From January 4, will be to Freidstadt for first appointment of ERC 2012....

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Yesterday I was driving over a part of the Unterweißenbach stage. The conditions there were great, because the road is already fully covered with snow there. I really hope that we will have similar road conditions at all stages during the rally, because at the moment in the lower regions of the rally there is now snow.

[Tom206wrc]

Publication of Entry list is on December 20th in the evening.

In ten days so... :bounce:

[hari]

A foretaste of the Jänner-Rallye: Raimund Baumschlager testing yesterday on snow and ice with Mitsubishi Evo X R4.

Fotos and a 6 Minutes Video: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_testfahrten_brr_09_dezember_2011.php

http://www.ir7.at/s2.jpg

[tolis]

Vali Porcisteanu also tested the car if I am right. Will Raimund use the Evo X R4 next year?

[hari]

Vali Porcisteanu also tested the car if I am right. Will Raimund use the Evo X R4 next year?

No, Raimund will stay with his Skoda Fabia S2000.
IR7.at: Raimund Baumschlager auch 2012 im Skoda Fabia S2000 (http://www.ir7.at/content/orm_baumschlager_auch_2012_im_skoda_fabia_s2000.ph p)

[mousti]

Rox answered on Facebook about Lotus that it's still work in progress, if this means the deal is still not finalised or that he has to wait till Lotus officially announced it.. We have to see..

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

According to a press realease from the organizers also Kopecky, Betti (207) ans Solowow (Fiesta S2000) have entered the event. Offiacially the entries are closing today, but the organizers also said, that they know some interesting drivers would already have sent their entry by post, which haven´t arrived at the rally hq yet. The whole entry list will be revealed next Tuesday at the press conferences.

[werner]

Not sure yet, but also Rox plan to come.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

I have a question to the czech forum members: Will Valda start at Jänner Rallye, or maybe even Kresta?

[tolis]

It's confirmed about Solowow. He'll start in his Fiesta S2000.

[liposh]

Both Valousek and Kresta will fight for czech title, so they both SHOULD be at Jänner. I think only few czech crews won´t be there. (for example Tarabus with fabia s2000 said he won´t be there but nothing is sure yet)

[Mirek]

In my opinion Kresta won't be there. Valoušek for sure yes. And You are not right, many crews will be missing. I spoke with some and it's too expensive for them to buy special suspension parts, brakes and tyres just for one event and if there is no snow than for nothing at all...

[Bartek]

It's confirmed about Solowow. He'll start in his Fiesta S2000.

Yes, from what I know, Solowow will take part in ERC or if he would have more time maybe also in IRC

[PLuto]

I have a question to the czech forum members: Will Valda start at Jänner Rallye, or maybe even Kresta?

Valda is trying to be there, he has sent entry form. But still not 100% sure. About Kresta, he was supposed to miss the event, but he may change his opinion at last time.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Thank you for your answers.

[darkstar]

hänninen will also drive at jänner rallye: Neue Strategie für Skoda*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2011/12/16/neue-strategie-fuer-skoda/index.html)

Hänninen wird auf die Rallye-EM angesetzt, Kopecky startet in der tschechischen Meisterschaft. Der erste Einsatz 2012 wird für beide Fahrer die Jänner-Rallye am ersten Januar-Wochenende sein.

translation: hänninen will do erc, and kopecky is going to drive czech championchip. first event in 2012 for both will be the jänner rallye.

[werner]

Entry List Int. Jännerrallye 2012:
1 Hänninen (CZ, Skoda Fabia S2000)
2 Pech (CZ, Mini S2000)
3 Kopecky (CZ, Skoda Fabia S2000)
4 Tlustak (CZ, Skoda Fabia S2000)
5 Betti (I, Peugeot 207 S2000)
6 Solowow (PL, Ford Fiesta S2000)
7 Valousek (CZ, Peugeot 207 S2000)
8 Harrach (A, Mitsubishi E9 R4)
10 Baumschlager (A, Skoda Fabia S2000)
11 Orsak (CZ, Mitsubishi E9)
12 Chwist D. (PL, Subaru)
14 Gassner (D, Mitsubishi E10)
15 Semerad (CZ, Mitsubishi E9)
16 Odlozilik (CZ, Skoda Fabia S2000)
17 Vergnano (I, Skoda Fabia S2000)
18 Behalek (CZ, Subaru)
19 Rosenberger (A, VW Polo S2000)
20 Aigner A. (A, Mitsubishi E9)
21 Blomqvist (S, Mitsubishi E10)
22 Neubauer (A, Subaru Impreza R4)
...

[liposh]

continue please :)

[werner]

Full List ...

115 Nennungen für Jänner-Rallye*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/oem/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2011/12/20/115-nennungen-fuer-jaenner-rallye/index.html)

[PLuto]

Also here with corrected some mistakes - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=13160)

[trance_energy]

what about rox?

[PLuto]

what about rox?

He never planned to start on Janner Rallye...

[liposh]

Rox won´t be there. To be honest, I expected that. Lotus R-GT is not developed for 100% (some tests are planned for next weeks), this type of surface doesn´t suit to Lotus and in ERC it is possible to miss some events. No need for Rox to be there.

[PLuto]

1) Lotus still not homologated
2) Not sure if Rox will start with them

[Ucci]

Even with top-spec S2000 Rossetti would not play any significant role here...it not his typ of surface, especialy if the snow covers stages.
Otherwise the list is quite a pleasant surprise, what do you think???

[Jarek Z]

In my opinion, this entry list looks nice. And Rox is there too. He's hiding as number 40, but it's very easy to decode his conspiracy. Why can't you see it? ;)
Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=13160)

[GL Media Pro]

Wait second event of ERC.... a big group will enter in Championship :) ;)

[PLuto]

Yes, he was hiding same way also last year. And after terrible result he decided to stay with this hidden name :)

[PLuto]

Wait second event of ERC.... a big group will enter in Championship :) ;)

But lot of other drivers will miss Italy...

[mousti]

Didn't know that Rox was so dramatically bad on Snow :s . Such a good driver but on snow nowhere, after 11 SS he was 18 minutes behind last year. So the "false" name is a show of his emberassement for himself :p

[pucky54]

What the hell is going on here? :D :D

[dimviii]

i like to see Aigner against Harrach

[Mirek]

What the hell is going on here? :D :D

There is an Italian guy called Luca Rossettini ;)

[pucky54]

I know, but he is not Luca Rossetti's twin :D :D

[mousti]

Isn't he btw not forced by his Fia A status to be Nr 1 or 2? Or could he decline that? Is maybe better for the other opponents :p (Juho now also Fia A I guess with his SWRC championship under his belt)

[Mirek]

Why do You still talk about Luca Rossetti? Yes, he has FIA A but he has never started in Jänner and he will not start this year either.

[Jarek Z]

Why do You still talk about Luca Rossetti? Yes, he has FIA A but he has never started in Jänner and he will not start this year either.

Are you trying to tell me that the name of a driver no. 40 is pure coincidence? ;)

[mousti]

Don't mind my posts now :D . I'll stop talking :D

[Jarek Z]

Isn't he btw not forced by his Fia A status to be Nr 1 or 2? Or could he decline that? Is maybe better for the other opponents :p

I suppose that is part of his tactics. As car no. 40 he will not have to sweep loose snow on the road ;)

[Mirek]

I really don't know if You are all joking and I'm looking like an idiot or if someone really thinks that Rossettini has something common with Rossetti. Sorry :D

[mousti]

Like I said never mind :p

[Jarek Z]

Mirek, I thought that Poles and Czechs have similar sense of humour? Look, all our Belgian friends are rolling on the floor laughing and you? :D

[werner]

Rox has never planned to start with Lotus at Jänner Rally, but he was in contact with several teams. Now we know he is not there. But he tried.

[Mirek]

Mirek, I thought that Poles and Czechs have similar sense of humour? Look, all our Belgian friends are rolling on the floor laughing and you? :D

I'm sometimes too serious when talking in foreign language. Bad habit from work. I will do better next time :D

[Jarek Z]

I'm sometimes too serious when talking in foreign language. Bad habit from work. I will do better next time :D

Are you a lawyer or what? ;)

[Mirek]

No, but terms and numbers don't make much space for jokes :)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Very good entry list for this event, note interesting DS3 entries- Černy, Italian cup ace Vescovi and Winter. Also, 3 maniacs in 3 very different machines- Klausner, Niki Glisic and Andrea de Luna :) Now, just to find somewhere to sleep... ;)

[trance_energy]

i like to see Aigner against Harrach

i think harrach is faster! and r4 vs evoIV. look at the las year results 28. Int. Jänner-Rallye 2011 - Results - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2011/28-int-janner-rallye-2011/)

[PLuto]

Before Aigner's retirement due to gearbox failure Andy was faster...

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Luca Betti will use a Racing Lions 207 at Janner...

[pucky54]

]Luca Betti will use a Racing Lions 207 at Janner...

2012 spec?

[[Madeira-Rally]]

2012 spec?

don't know... but I suppose it's a 2011 spec

[PLuto]

Yes, Luca will use car from Racing Lions on Janner. It is same car as on Rallye Antibes last year.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Over night it was snowing even in lower rally regions. But unfortunately the snow will melt again on Sunday at the latest. Maybe we get snow again next Thursday...

[hari]

Raimund Baumschlager testing yesterday with Mitsubishi Evo X R4:

Fotos and a 6 Minutes Video: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_testfahrten_brr_29_dezember_2011.php

http://www.ir7.at/content/newsimg/m/test291211m1.jpg

[Mirek]

Test Václav Pech
Sport Motor News - Václav Pech - MINI Test Janner (http://sportmn.cz/cs/video/vaclav-pech-mini-test-janner)

[tolis]

Why Raimund is testing in an Evo X? He'll do the rally in a Fabia S2000, won't he?

[PLuto]

He made lot of kms on snow, with S2000 it is more expensive. And S2000 cars has limited mileage for some parts and external companies arent able to make rebuilding during so short time (escpecially during Christmas).

[dimviii]

He made lot of kms on snow, with S2000 it is more expensive. And S2000 cars has limited mileage for some parts and external companies arent able to make rebuilding during so short time (escpecially during Christmas).

Αlso dont forget his customers about the R4 kits, he sells via BRR.He has to test and set up everything again in mitsubishi evos, suspension, central diff mapping etc.

[hari]

Raimund Baumschlager was testing today with his Skoda Fabia S2000.

Fotos and a 4 minutes Video:
IR7.at: Testfahrten Raimund Baumschlager, 02. Jänner 2012 (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_testfahrten_raimund_baumschlager_skoda_fabia _vor_jaenner_rallye_2012.php)

http://www.ir7.at/ds1.jpg

[mousti]

Nice ass..

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385383_10150505722063686_755793685_8648117_2030343 148_n.jpg

[Mirek]

Shakedown results: Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=13207)

Shakedown stage was wet but it is reported that there is some snow on most of the stages. Václav Pech was very slow (I heard his time was around 1:25). I don't know why...

[had_zachau]

Jänner Rallye 2012 - Shakedown - video (http://youtu.be/7ACbSlV-1M4)

[focus206]

I read that this evening it's snowing/it snowed quite heavily... sounds good :)

[Juha_Koo]

Very slippery shakedown onboard with Pech: Vše o Rally CZ, AutoCrossu, RallyCrossu, Kartingu • MediaSport.cz (http://www.mediasport.cz/rally/onboardy/2542.html)

Why does it include intercom audio? Very rare with Pech onboards...

[Mirek]

Škoda Motorsport on wide tyres. They are only ones and You can see the result. Monte Carlooo....

[dimviii]

Škoda Motorsport on wide tyres. They are only ones and You can see the result. Monte Carlooo....

only for Skoda motorsport wide ones you mean?

btw Aigner why so late?

[Filip]

Looks like the crews starting later have an advantage, Černy is very fast.

[Mirek]

only for Skoda motorsport wide ones you mean?

btw Aigner why so late?

According to PLuto who is in service all others use narrow tyres.

According to a friend the road will be most likely almost clean off snow and ice in second runs.

[dimviii]

According to PLuto who is in service all others use narrow tyres.

maybe they have target second ss with less snow? But in rally-base quotes that Stage is fully covered by snow.
lets see second ss if choice was a compromise.

[dimviii]

maybe they have target second ss with less snow? But in rally-base quotes that Stage is fully covered by snow.
lets see second ss if choice was a compromise.

Doesn t seemslike that.Pech already 18,2 faster than Juho

[Wim_Impreza]

Looks like the crews starting later have an advantage, Černy is very fast.

Stohl fastest time in SS1. Is he driving in a Group N or Group A Lancer?

[Filip]

Stohl fastest on first stage.

Oops, same time.

[Mirek]

Stohl is with CNG car.

[PLuto]

Stohl is starting with specific CNG Lancer Evo IX. He has big advantage with high starting number, he has much better conditions on the road. Same like other Lancers in national group...

[dimviii]

Stohl is starting with specific CNG Lancer Evo IX. He has big advantage with high starting number, he has much better conditions on the road. Same like other Lancers in national group...

Pluto why Aigner so slow?any problems?

[Bartek]

Wrong start of the rally for Solowow....

[rage82]

Sorry for this question but can somebody explain briefly what is the difference between CNG evo and the regular one?

[Wim_Impreza]

Even an Audi with an almost unknown driver like Mitterlehner is in the top of SS1. Maybe Walter Röhrl must come back. :D

[PLuto]

CNG Lancer is different from normal car, I think he has also different restrictor?

[Mirek]

I'm not sure about restrictor size for CNG cars in Austria. Definitely more than gr.N to be competitive.

[alterdaxter]

It looks like Rosenberger has found his pace again in SS2 with a VW Polo S2000. Nice!

[rage82]

Thanks for the information tommeke_B, Pluto and Mirek

[tolis]

SS1 Photo

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/409554_299004296801755_177791658923020_749755_1018 631498_n.jpg

[alterdaxter]

Yes, his pace and also the speed of the Polo S2000 are surprising. I think he didn't drove for a long time?

He was Historic champion of Austria in 2010 with a Porsche 911 RS.
In 2011 he also competed in Austria and some international rounds with this Porsche 911 RS.

However he likes the Jänner Rallye very much and did start in 2011 with a Subaru. I need to admit that he wasn't that fast last year.

[Wim_Impreza]

Yes, Rosenberger lives in the region of this rally, so it is his home rally.

[RS]

Škoda Motorsport on wide tyres. They are only ones and You can see the result. Monte Carlooo....

It's a shame that Skoda missed their chance to win Monte Carlo. They should have at least twice in the last few years imo.

What surprises me today is that Jan is quicker than Juho, are they both on exactly the same tyres?

[Mirek]

Juho made a spin on SS1, probably in well known hairpins, than I don't know.

[had_zachau]

martin semerad's facebook:

After the first section: 23 out of 36 km only on 2nd gear..

Milan Liska

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/397493_2441635083774_1338735599_2125375_50470850_n .jpg

[Mirek]

Martin Semerád has only second gear. That's why he is so slow.

[Racing Ka]

Looks like a place..

[PLuto]

Pluto why Aigner so slow?any problems?

Problems with car.

[dimviii]

Problems with car.

Thanks! Lets see now on the repeated long one with proper tyre choice what can officialy skodas can do against local heros.

[dimviii]

wow Juho -26,9 from Pech!

[tolis]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Hanninen!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Mirek]

Milan Liska

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/397493_2441635083774_1338735599_2125375_50470850_n .jpg

Hehe, I know the falling guy on the left :D

According to a friend SS5 is icy covered by thin layer of snow. No snowing, strong wind.

[dimviii]

Driver quotes from autosport.cz
Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=13208)

[Mirek]

According to Tlusťák and Orsák some drivers used forbidden tyres (more studs than allowed or longer studs) but that stewards seem to take no action. There were no names in the article, only info that Baumschlagers tyres were ok.

[dimviii]

can any czech mate enlight us? is it about the spikes on tyres?Whats the problem about Raimunds nails?

Jaroslav Orsák: "At first I did not catch the rhythm of SS, I made ​​mistakes. The second and third special stage was perfect, I think we lead the class in our championship, because we are here. I go really quiet. Some ride unauthorized nails, I wonder what the organizers do. " (Editor's note.: Raimund Baumschlager had nails in the number of tires in order)

[dimviii]

Mirek are you my twin brother? lol

[PLuto]

Problem is with number of studs in tyres. I know two of the names, both of them are actually in top 12...

[Jarek Z]

CNG stands for Compressed Natural Gas. In stead of racing fuel, this Evo drives on Natural Gas. It's probably a little bit slower than other Evo's, I'm not sure... Stohl drove a 207 S2000 on CNG also in the past.

Yes, Stohl's Mitsubishi runs on natural gas. Therefore he cannot score points in European Championship. And some other cars of Austrian drivers too.

Solowow went off the road on SS2 and lost 4 minutes. But now he wins SS5!

[Jarek Z]

A very interesting rally, I have to say! I expected a little more from the old fox Stig Blomqvist. "The real Stig" is only 17th after SS5.

[Tom206wrc]

Solowow on SS7 :confused:

[pucky54]

Stohl's notional time for SS2 must be a joke!!

[Wim_Impreza]

Stohl has a normal time there.

[pucky54]

Stohl has a normal time there.

No, its a notional time as stage was interrupted due to a crash

[Wim_Impreza]

No, its a notional time as stage was interrupted due to a crash

I know, but a 11th time in that stage isn't a joke in my opinion.

[Mirek]

Each one of You speak about different time.

First all crews had some notional time but stewards said they will change these times after second run to be fair. So now Pucky is speaking about time before this second change and Wim about time after the second change.

[Tom206wrc]

Betti in SS8 ???? :confused:

[Hartusvuori]

29. Jänner Rallye 2012 Mitterlehner SP1 - dreher / 5. beste Zeit auf dieser SP - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gELq3kq88zQ) :-)

Whoa! Sliiiiiiippery. Ain't those the same hairpins where Valousek lost it all last year? It was only more snow last year.

[Bartek]

Betti in SS8 ???? :confused:

Betti is in the results but with big difference, maybe snowbank

[pucky54]

Each one of You speak about different time.

First all crews had some notional time but stewards said they will change these times after second run to be fair. So now Pucky is speaking about time before this second change and Wim about time after the second change.

No, I am speaking about the time they gave him now, the 7:53.5. He was fastest on SS1 & SS3. Conditions on SS2 have been similar, so why did they give him a time 20 seconds off the fastest time on SS2? Thats always the problems with fast guys running late in high numbers and have to handle with stewards decisions

[Mirek]

Whoa! Sliiiiiiippery. Ain't those the same hairpins where Valousek lost it all last year? It was only more snow last year.

Yes, also Juho spun there today I think. It's most famous place of Jänner in Pierbach stage.

[Mirek]

No, I am speaking about the time they gave him now, the 7:53.5. He was fastest on SS1 & SS3. Conditions on SS2 have been similar, so why did they give him a time 20 seconds off the fastest time on SS2? Thats always the problems with fast guys running late in high numbers and have to handle with stewards decisions

All notional times were based on results from second run of same stage. In my opinion that is fair way to do it.

[Tom206wrc]

Gutted for Betti...he had a good duel so far vs Valousek ;(

[Tom206wrc]

Cerny in problems too ??? :mad:

[pucky54]

All notional times were based on results from second run of same stage. In my opinion that is fair way to do it.

I know, but thats only fair, when the conditions are equal on both runs, which was not the case

[RobertS]

Stohl-Minor ss.1.

Vše o Rally CZ, AutoCrossu, RallyCrossu, Kartingu • MediaSport.cz (http://www.mediasport.cz/rally/onboardy/2549.html)

[Tom206wrc]

Cerny in problems too ??? :mad:


Finally 39" faster than Vescovi on SS8...why was it so long to give his time :confused:

[Juha_Koo]

Stohl-Minor ss.1.

Vše o Rally CZ, AutoCrossu, RallyCrossu, Kartingu • MediaSport.cz (http://www.mediasport.cz/rally/onboardy/2549.html)

I just love Mediasport.cz :)

[N.O.T]

easy win for hanninen if all goes as planned....

[N.O.T]

29. Jänner Rallye 2012 Mitterlehner SP1 - dreher / 5. beste Zeit auf dieser SP - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gELq3kq88zQ) :-)

the photographer in red was very very lucky....

[dimviii]

the photographer in red was very very lucky....

he is not so close if you watch it.It seems to be close,but he isn t.

[tolis]

Yes, also Juho spun there today I think. It's most famous place of Jänner in Pierbach stage.
You are right Mirek: Jänner Rallye 2012 - SP1 - Hänninen Juho, Skoda Fabia S2000 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OPGAWkTdRE)

[RobertS]

You are right Mirek: Jänner Rallye 2012 - SP1 - Hänninen Juho, Skoda Fabia S2000 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OPGAWkTdRE)
other at 02:00, error at 13:40 too >

http://www.mediasport.cz/rally/onboardy/2551.html

[hari]

Some images from today:

http://www.ir7.at/j12/1.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/j12/2.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/j12/3.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/j12/4.jpg

http://www.ir7.at/j12/10.jpg

more after the rally.
It was great action on the stages.

[modri dirkac]

Some nice photos from my friend ;)

[url=http://www.foto-modlic.si/galerija/2012/01/29-international-janner-rally-2012]29. International Jänner rally 2012 | galerija | foto Modlic - odliÄ

[Tom206wrc]

Why has Patrick Winter been excluded only for a false start ??? :confused:

[Mirek]

First stage of today wet/ice, others with snow. All top crews on narrow snow tyres with studs except guess who... yes, Škoda Motorsport :D

They left with 2 wide D10 in front and two narrow in rear with probably two other narrow in the boot.


Why has Patrick Winter been excluded only for a false start ??? :confused:

Not false start but wrong start. If You don't leave starting line in 20 seconds (You are standing there for whatever reason - usually mechanical problem), You are disqualified.

[Mirek]

Juho veeery slow now. Looks like some off or puncture.

[N.O.T]

he should be ok, 30 seconds are not too much for him.

[Mirek]

If it was puncture, he has a problem, because he has only 4 narrow tyres. So he would have to use at least one wide tyre for next stage also.

Anyway great restart for Běhálek. Pity of the broken prop-shaft already on SS1...

EDIT: Spin for Juho...

By the way both Valoušek and Betti complained about traction of 207 from slow corners. Both are in 2011 spec. cars.

[dimviii]

eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Jänner Rallye (A) 2012 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=1476&fotograf=10&all=1)

skodas choices about tyres are so silly some times.Really can t understant why this choice,when even privateers had right choice,yesterday and today at first bunch of ss.

[Tom206wrc]

Wrong tires choice for Jan Cerny on the first loop of stages this morning ??? He didn't stop losing time on Danziger and Böhm and has "only" 50" advantage after SS13 :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

...
By the way both Valoušek and Betti complained about traction of 207 from slow corners. Both are in 2011 spec. cars.


Let's hope the 2012 spec. will have corrected that :rolleyes:

[Bartek]

I didn't know that Solowow is so fast...

[PLuto]

Wrong tires choice for Jan Cerny on the first loop of stages this morning ??? He didn't stop losing time on Danziger and Böhm and has "only" 50" advantage after SS13 :confused:

Problems with clutch

[Mirek]

Watch times of Václav Kopáček in 2WD. He is a mad man with Fabia 1400 (who follows mediasport onboards may know some his crazy moments from past events :) ).

Here his roll from SS1 (onboard also on mediasport) :D

Jänner Rallye 2012 Crash - YouTube (http://youtu.be/iRp98VT-nIM)

[tolis]

What happened to Juho today? 38 secs behind Kopecky... :(

[Mirek]

Triple spin off road and than he didn't know where to go... :-D Also like yesterday he is cleaning new snow and therefore looses time.

Small moment of Pech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItqNReBcSEo

[Bartek]

Solowow can catch Semerad and Baumschlager will fight with Juho , last stage should be very interesting

[Ucci]

Quite scary accident:

Jännerrallye 2012 Robert Zitta Crash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50lOpMTvRhY&feature=player_embedded)

end could be much worse, yust imagine that part of a wooden fence....

[RS]

Win for Kopecky after a good solid drive.

[N.O.T]

Congratulation to Kopecky for the win in the first rally of the season :)

Happy new rally season everyone :)

That accident was nightmarish....

[Ucci]

Congrats to J.Kopecky, it is the best way to start the season!
Juho did not have luck this time, but the speed is there, so nothing to worry about his performance.
Most unfortunate person at the end(except those, who destroyed their cars on SS) is R.Baumschlager-he lost deserved first place in the Austrian championship yust for a lousy two tenths of a second!! Beppo Harrach will be obviously Raimund's nightmare also in this year! Still, very fast and brave driving (risking his good position) by young Austrian 2011 champion in the last stage! For me personly the man of this rally as he is strugling with non-competetive technology against far more superior S2000 cars and their drivers.
Some solide stage times by gentelman driver Mr.Solowow. Not to forget the fastest man in 2WD class-J.Černy, congratulations for a huge time margin which he made against the second in this class, the Italian trophy specialist Roberto Vescovi(must say, I doubt that Vescovi drove ever before under this conditions), who is not familiar to snow & ice.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Harrach did it again- this time in big style :)

[PLuto]

For me Beppo Harracg is not the man of this rally, because yesterday he was cheating with tyres. Despite scrutineers and people around didnt found (or didnt want to find?) the truth...

[Ucci]

For me Beppo Harracg is not the man of this rally, because yesterday he was cheating with tyres. Despite scrutineers and people around didnt found (or didnt want to find?) the truth...

If yours statement is true, those ''cheating'' tyres did not give him any advantage as he succeeded today to make up 50 seconds compare to Baumschlager and lost yust few seconds against SWRC champion!!!

[Mirek]

Sorry, but that is totally irrelevant. If he was cheating, than he should have been disqualified without any other questions.

By the way You answered Yourself when You said that Baumschlager lost it only by a fraction. If Harrach had more studs yesterday, he made for sure more than the fraction of second by that.

[Ucci]

Sorry, but that is totally irrelevant. If he was cheating, than he should have been disqualified without any other questions.

By the way You answered Yourself when You said that Baumschlager lost it only by a fraction. If Harrach had more studs yesterday, he made for sure more than the fraction of second by that.
??? If Beppo was yeterday 50 seconds behind Baumschlager (by the way, there are rumors that even Bamumschlager drove yesterday with illegal tyres) and if today was everything OK with tyres, he was than much faster with legal tyres.
But than again, put all this rumors for officials....Beppo (and others) showed a lot of skills, we should be avere of difficult conditions.

[Sulland]

For me Beppo Harracg is not the man of this rally, because yesterday he was cheating with tyres. Despite scrutineers and people around didnt found (or didnt want to find?) the truth...

Cheating how?
What does tyre regs say?

[Mirek]

??? If Beppo was yeterday 50 seconds behind Baumschlager (by the way, there are rumors that even Bamumschlager drove yesterday with illegal tyres) and if today was everything OK with tyres, he was than much faster with legal tyres.
But than again, put all this rumors for officials....Beppo (and others) showed a lot of skills, we should be avere of difficult conditions.

Baumschlager had correct tyres.

Why questionaires? Rally is counted together, not every day separately. Yesterday both had same road conditions, today Harrach had much better because Baumschlager was starting third and there was new snow on almost all stages. Only Hänninen had the worst possible conditions both days and Pech second worst both days.


Cheating how?
What does tyre regs say?

Maximum 12 studs per 10 cm of tyre surface.

[RS]

Can someone explain this passage from the Skoda Motorsport press release to me, I don't get it?:

"In addition to the main agenda, the Jänner Rally programme included a 2011 European Championship zone winners ceremony. The winners of the South-West European zone are Juho Hänninen & Mikko Markkula of ŠKODA Motorsport, their teammates Jan Kopecký & Petr Starý finished third."

[N.O.T]

Only first day results count for that cup ?

[focus206]

Can someone explain this passage from the Skoda Motorsport press release to me, I don't get it?:

"In addition to the main agenda, the Jänner Rally programme included a 2011 European Championship zone winners ceremony. The winners of the South-West European zone are Juho Hänninen & Mikko Markkula of ŠKODA Motorsport, their teammates Jan Kopecký & Petr Starý finished third."

And wasn't Pavel Dresler the navigator of Kopecky?

[hari]

Can someone explain this passage from the Skoda Motorsport press release to me, I don't get it?:

"In addition to the main agenda, the Jänner Rally programme included a 2011 European Championship zone winners ceremony. The winners of the South-West European zone are Juho Hänninen & Mikko Markkula of ŠKODA Motorsport, their teammates Jan Kopecký & Petr Starý finished third."


On Thursday at the Jänner Rallye was some winners ceremony for the European Rallye Championship, European Rally Cup 2011 etc.

The European Rally Cup South West in 2011 included:
23 - 25/02 PRT SATA Rallye AÇORES Coef. 10
15 - 17/03 ESP 36 Rally Islas Canarias -El Corte Inglés Coef. 10
06 - 07/07 SMR 40 San Marino Rally Coef. 10
12 - 13/10 ITA 54° Rallye de Sanremo Coef. 10

Juho Hänninen was overall winner of this Cup-Zone, Jan Kopecky third.

[RS]

On Thursday at the Jänner Rallye was some winners ceremony for the European Rallye Championship, European Rally Cup 2011 etc.

The European Rally Cup South West in 2011 included:
23 - 25/02 PRT SATA Rallye AÇORES Coef. 10
15 - 17/03 ESP 36 Rally Islas Canarias -El Corte Inglés Coef. 10
06 - 07/07 SMR 40 San Marino Rally Coef. 10
12 - 13/10 ITA 54° Rallye de Sanremo Coef. 10

Juho Hänninen was overall winner of this Cup-Zone, Jan Kopecky third.

That explains it, thanks!

[hari]

Jänner Rallye 2012 - 400 Fotos:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_orm_jaenner_rallye_2012.php

http://www.ir7.at/j12dng.jpg

[danon]

Quite scary accident:

Jännerrallye 2012 Robert Zitta Crash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50lOpMTvRhY&feature=player_embedded)

end could be much worse, yust imagine that part of a wooden fence....

This vid will enter the history books of weird rally crashes.

And some more vids:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JZRt8eR2s5E


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4kVkmDYMOw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFH-uw_8wSM&feature=share

[mousti]

And wasn't Pavel Dresler the navigator of Kopecky?
Not last year in those rallies..

[focus206]

Not last year in those rallies..

I know, I misread the post :D

[Sulland]

Maximum 12 studs per 10 cm of tyre surface.

Ahh, and is the allowed overhang the same as in WRC ?

[Tom206wrc]

...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFH-uw_8wSM&feature=share


Spectacular the AUDI at the end of video :eek:

[6789]

Spectacular the AUDI at the end of video :eek:
Properly sideways!!

[Mirek]

Ahh, and is the allowed overhang the same as in WRC ?

No, these are short studs for use on asphalt basis.

[Mirek]

Nice video: Jänner Rallye 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjDyw5SjKik&feature=player_embedded)

[rallyelee]

my pics from Jänner Rallye on Rallyesportfotos (http://www.rallyesportfotos.de)

reg. Jörg


http://rallyelee.ra.piranho.de/12ja35.jpg

http://rallyelee.ra.piranho.de/12ja29.jpg

http://rallyelee.ra.piranho.de/12ja59.jpg

http://rallyelee.ra.piranho.de/12ja13.jpg

[jolle1982]

My Pictures of the Jänner Rally are Online!!!

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/j__nner_12_01_1326029985.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/j__nner_12_16_1326029991.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/j__nner_12_25_1326029995.jpg

<<< Fotos Jänner Rally 2012 >>> (http://www.rallyefreaks.de/index.php?option=com_samgallery&catid=118%3Ajaenner-by-frank-flaemig&Itemid=2)

[hari]

A 18 minutes video of the Jänner Rallye 2012:
http://www.ir7.at/content/orm_jaenner_rallye_2012.php#videos

http://www.ir7.at/jrv2.jpg

[Ciko]

Another nice video:
Janner rally 2012 [HD] by TMG - YouTube (http://youtu.be/e7HpgOyTEVE)

[Juha_Koo]

Hopefully there would be more Hänninen onboards, now only two...

[HaCo]

Awesome rally!

[WRC1]

my "best of" is online:

Galerie - Freeware Online Galerie (http://www.rallyepics.at/bilder/rallye2012/02jaenner/gallery.html)

reg

wrc1

[Mirek]

Some great photos: NoMaKS-Racing.com (http://www.nomaks-racing.com/index.php?stranka=317)

[Bartek]

29 Jänner Rallye 2012 - The Best Of by OesRecords - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0EkArH4Hmg) > Nice Video From OesRecods, many moments :)

[mousti]

Hoping that Legends Boucles de Spa are also in such conditions :D

[Ondra WRC]

http://img12.rajce.idnes.cz/d1203/5/5910/5910531_28c7464673d25aa83f9e2d91d57e74cc/images/IMG_3572.jpg
http://img12.rajce.idnes.cz/d1203/5/5910/5910531_28c7464673d25aa83f9e2d91d57e74cc/images/IMG_3938.jpg
http://img12.rajce.idnes.cz/d1203/5/5910/5910531_28c7464673d25aa83f9e2d91d57e74cc/images/IMG_3854.jpg
http://img12.rajce.idnes.cz/d1203/5/5910/5910531_28c7464673d25aa83f9e2d91d57e74cc/images/IMG_4162.jpg

My photos from Jänner Rallye: ondik | Internationale Jänner Rallye 2012 – rajce.net (http://ondik.rajce.idnes.cz/Internationale_J_nner_Rallye_2012/)

[RS]

I wonder whether Dresler may give Kopecky a new lease of life. Nothing against Stary, but sometimes a change of co-driver can be good for a driver (Neuville/Gilosoul for example). I know Juho had to sweep snow but this really was a Juho type rally and not a Jan type rally at all.

Even though some people criticised him at the time I thought Kopecky's performance on Cyprus last year was pretty good, especially with a brand new co-driver, setting some very competitive times against the likes of Mikkelsen and Hanninen.

[Mirek]

Pavel is not completely new for Jan. They did almost all testing together last year. Of course it is not a real competition but they did together some 2000 km and that's enough to understand each other ;)

Good point about Pavel is that he is mechanical engineer in car technologies.

[darkstar]

here´s my video of that fantastic winter rallye:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0IdwvJCJtg

[Nowi]

My gallery from Jänner at Jänner rally 2012 [nowi] | RallyLife.cz (http://www.rallylife.cz/jaenner-rally-2012-nowi)

[GL Media Pro]

Online HD Video "Int. Jänner Rally 2012" Official TV Magazine of European Rally Championship 2012 by Ellegy Ltd.:
FIA ERC Web Channel TV by Ellegy (http://erc.ellegy.tv/index.php?gara=182&s1=1)

[Mirek]

Video of Luboš Lahola: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOATOTjDs3k&feature=player_embedded

[liposh]

Ellegy_film: Just small point to mention. I know it is only small and not important, but please find somewhere ( Czech TV for example) some magazine from Jänner rally to hear the pronunciation of those czech names: Kopecký, Václav Pech, Valoušek etc. I expect you will be obliged to use it at least once (on Barum) this year :D

[Mirek]

It's easier to ask PLuto in whatever ERC round. They both know each other.

Photos of Roman Kašpárek: http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/fotogalerie.php?id=62&id=971&autor=25

http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/9acbf8e6884632c04ec776754e567a68.jpg

[GL Media Pro]

Ellegy_film: Just small point to mention. I know it is only small and not important, but please find somewhere ( Czech TV for example) some magazine from Jänner rally to hear the pronunciation of those czech names: Kopecký, Václav Pech, Valoušek etc. I expect you will be obliged to use it at least once (on Barum) this year :D

:) We will not make Barum Rally Magazine ERC, Ypres and Barum is out of Promotion of ERC ..... :)

[PLuto]

I wrote a small "article" about cheating with studs on Janner. It is only in czech language - www.AutoSport.CZ (http://forum.autosport.cz/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=679&p=58214#p58214)

[mousti]

Racing-Action (http://www.racing-action.com/default.asp)

Janner Rally review

[Mirek]

I think that this onboard was uploaded later after the event so maybe You missed it like I did. Juho Hänninen from last stage which he won by 18+ seconds. Some downhill sections are completely crazy! Plus there is camera between seats :)

Vše o Rally CZ, AutoCrossu, RallyCrossu, Kartingu • MediaSport.cz (http://www.mediasport.cz/rally/onboardy/2628.html?quality=hd)