Rally Dakar 2012

[scholl]

Hello Everybody,

Basically all my life it´s been one of my biggest dreams to visit the Rally Dakar.
But since they moved from Africa to South America this dream became ever more unrealistic than it was before.

However I will make a bike-trip through Peru and Bolivia in January and February next year and that´s my chance to finally see the Dakar.

I will be in the area around Lima and Nazca in the beginning of January. The Dakar will drive through Nazca on January 14th.

Unfortunately I can´t find any detailed information about the exact route or spectator information...
Does anybody maybe have experience with visiting the Dakar and could give em some advice? Are there tickets needed or can I simply try to find a checkpoint the drivers need to drive through? Or is it best to simply visit the Bivac?

Thanks in advance. Any advice is very welcome.

[ZequeArgentina]

Hi scholl,

It is a very good opportunity to see Dakar live.
I have watched 2009 and 2010 Dakar live (first on a dust road, second on Mendoza´s dunes), and it is a great experience.
Regarding route and spectators zones, the most difficult part is that exact route is secret and only given to particpants the night before. Spectators zones for each stage are published 24 to 48 hours before.

In both ocassions I went to places out of the organization established "spectators zones".
The point in 2009 was a dirt road, and after the map published by the organziation, there wasno toher option that going through there.

in 2010 in the dunes (there were some 8.000 to 10.000 people there!!!), it was a guess to how they would pass through the dunes. In fact we missed by 3 or 4 km the point, but after we saw the helcopter following first bikes we could change locations (we werea group in dirt bikes and quads, so easy to change place in the dunes).

I would recommend to go to the route itself, may be near end or begining of stage and late go to the service park. A lot of action there all night long.
Dakar organizers usually use locals to help them whith control, and for safety (police and local authorities), so some points of the route is know by locals close to the day of race. You will be able to guess some places.
If do not want to risk, theer is always the spectator zone possibility.

[scholl]

Thank you very much for the advice.
Really helped me a lot.

I will try my best to see as much of the Dakar as possible!

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[Plan9]

be making Dakar this year either but I was wondering if anyone knew where to watch the proceedings online? Any help is appreciated.

[Zeakiwi]

De Villiers will lead a two entry Toyota Hilux South African team in Dakar 2012.

Giniel de Villiers will be FIRST off in 2012 Dakar!! (http://www.imperialtoyota.co.za/news/giniel_de_villiers_will_be_first_off_in_2012_dakar )
Rally Driver Giniel de Villiers on eXpresso - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm_iX_iMoKs)
Imperial Toyota - Dakar 2012 - Giniel de Villiers - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87hkllHzvuo)
Test Dakar 2012 Toyota Overdrive.mp4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV5hRZjnQmM&feature=related)

Dakar coverage sites - the official Dakar site - bilingual.
- the Eurosport site - has livestreamed data coverage .
- thedakar.blogspot.com (by Swede Marie Hessel)

Chris Birch (NZ) had an entry in for 2012. (www.chrisbirch.co.nz (http://www.chrisbirch.co.nz))

[ZequeArgentina]

This tread should start to have somemovement from now on.

Regarding entres and possibilities:


First the X-raid armada: 100peopple 100 cars, tons of spares an support trucks, best experience out there and with most experienced driver:
Mini:
Peterhansel
Holowcick
Roma
Novitsky
Leal dos santos

X3:
Minorenko
Garafulic (good chilean driver, who gained experinece in 2011 RR)
Schott


2 Team as candidate: RObby Gordons Hummer. Still small structure, no exclusive racing support
Nasser Al Attiyah: last minute deal, no real experience on a 2wd long travel suspension set up. Plenty of sand this year may help the Hummer
Robby Gordon


3rd Team Toyota South Africa / Overdrive
Giniel de Villers (one of the best Dakar Drivers)
Duncan Vos (4 times Southafrican champion, but new to Dakar)
Orlando Terranova (Privateer but with speed, his puts a lot of preassure on himself and usually lost everything)
Lucio Alvarez (low profile, but achieved a 15 position last year racing alone wh little support)


I will follow on next post if someone interested

[vino_93]

I expect a good perf of Alfie Cox with his Volvo :)
Or maybe the two Great Wall developped by SMG for Sousa and a Chinese Driver !

[focus206]

What about the Racing Lancers of the Dutch drivers? Wevers, Ten Brinke, Van Loon... how can they perform?

[JHvP]

I expect them in the end of top 10.

[Co-driven]

There is also Brazilian driver Guilherme Spinelli in a Racing Lancer, with official support of Mitsubishi Brazil. Last year they were in 9th overall and second fastest on the gasoline class.

Here in Brazil there is a big expectation regarding their participation and I`d expect at least a top 10 finish.

[ZequeArgentina]

The RacingLancrers are excellent cars, they are very reliable and with the rules giving some benefit for gasoline engines, they can be in better situation (all switched to gasoline, some 3,5 others 4,0 and even Dessoude is running one with a 3,7 Nissan engine!!).

ten brinke debutted in last Morocco rally and won it, he was a good surprise.,
Spinelli has run very consistently and comes with the win in Sertoes so may be the one we can expect most.

I guess more than 2 of them in the top 10!

[vino_93]

Ten Brinke and Spinelli could do a Top 10, and maybe more ...

I don't expect a lot about the Mini ... too more retirements for them.

[Zeakiwi]

This year's Dakar Rally appears more interesting because the VW is not there.
KTM 2012 Dakar Rally Team - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_bdPANvPk) (KTM team dakar 2012) I like the 450s
Dakar 2012 Promo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyPu_57Avfo&feature=related) (Dakar 2012 )
Ready for Dakar 2012 -- Monster Energy X-raid Team - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Gop9M1WLY) (Monster Mini Dakar Team) Would the BMW DTM car been a better design starting point ?
Robby Gordon talks Dakar 2012 preparations - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKrLKsGxvRU&feature=related) (Hummer team) Will the new 2 wd be the right configuration choice for this years' event?

If Van Loon drives as fast as he talks he should be well placed. :burnout:

[JHvP]

I would be very suprised if Mini do not win. They have 2-4 very fast drivers and I do not think all of them will have reliability problems.

[ZequeArgentina]

The X-raid team has all of its 8 drivers and 100-people team aligned to make Peterhansel the winner.
It is Dakar, so anything can happen, but from a preparation point of view, he has the main advantage

[Grant_RSA]

I think the Toyota's have a good chance of upsetting the applecart, the only real question is reliability over such a long distance.

These cars are run on the South African circuit which is much shorter, nothing exceeding 3 days of competition, but with the experience of Giniel de Villiers im cautiously optimistic for a good result.

[focus206]

How many chances have Al Attiyah with the Hummer? I see him as a good opponent for the X-Raid armada...

[JHvP]

I afraid he has not experiences with 2WD, so he can lose same time especially in first sandy stages. And Hummer was not very reliable in Dakar 2011.

[Berzs]

Those, who follow Dakar closely, might find this very interesting - First fully electric race car to participate in Dakar 2012.

Full info, videos, photos etc. here - OSCar eO — Team Latvia — Electric Off-Road Race Car in Dakar 2012 (http://oscareo.lv/)

[Salist]

Official Dakar website:
Dakar.com (http://www.dakar.com/index_DAKus.html)

[tolis]

Here you can watch Stage 2 highlights in 13 minutes from now: Watch Live Dakar Rally Raid Online Video Racing Events - Motorsports (http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-2/14/92/v-349241.html)

[Mirek]

Nasser is flying today. I must admit I didn't expect him to be so fast with Hummer.

[fegh]

Nasser is flying today. I must admit I didn't expect him to be so fast with Hummer.

But unfortunately the Hummer is not supporting this pressure :(

[Mirek]

I think that it was more Nasser's mistake yesterday, certainly no technical defect.

[dimviii]

Nasser again stopped,while faster at cp2 at ss5

[dimviii]

CANCELLED SS6
Stage six of the Dakar Rally is cancelled due to bad weather - Other news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96899)

[Mirek]

Weird serious accident for crew of Aleš Loprais on the long asphalt road section between two parts of yesterdays leg. Mechanic Petr Almáši was driving the truck on the road section when both crew members were sleeping. Unfortunately he was caught by a momentary micro sleep and went off road where the truck rolled. Aleš Loprais suffered double vertebrae fracture and Petr Almáši a brain concussion. Michal Ernts is unhurt.

So far the crew of Aleš was the only one to keep close fight for victory with Dutch Iveco crew of Gerard de Rooy in truck competition.

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/dakar/loprais/loprais4.jpg

[Toni77]

I'm really sry for Aleš Loprais ...he was unlucky! But my favorite is Miki Biasion...that he was unlucky too with his trakker evo II. I hope he's going to be in the top ten at the finishig-line

Biasion - Alla Dakar Con Iveco | Facebook (http://it-it.facebook.com/biasionforiveco#!/biasionforiveco)


http://www.motorsportforums.com/attachments/americas-asia-pacific-african-rallying/2884d1326293364-rally-dakar-2012-biasion.jpg

[vino_93]

Hi guys !
Do you know where can i find great pictures of the Dakar, except motorsport.com and ewrc.cz ?

[EightGear]

These are great!

GigaPica : The Dakar 2012 (http://gigapica.geenstijl.nl/2012/01/the_dakar_2012.html)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/972/972_dakar_2012_aad8d6721f.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/972/972_dakar_2012_5f0cabefec.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/972/972_dakar_2012_404310dea2.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/972/972_dakar_2012_678ab72ab1.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/972/972_dakar_2012_6db3265b90.jpg

More photos from Dakar 2012 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=972&fseason=2012)

[vino_93]

thx boys !

I see that some drivers were not in the classification of a stage, but they start the next and continue the Dakar ... is it that these drivers were out of the delay, or is it another thing ?

For exemple, Stefan Schott is not classified for the second stage but he is still running. And there are a lot of other examples ... does someone know why ?

[danon]

Enraged Gordon says Minis are ‘for girls’ (http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/enraged_gordon_says_minis_are_for_girls/)

[TyPat107]

And that is why I am not a Robbie Gordon fan. Even less of one now after his treatment of Nasser and how he runs his mouth in interviews. Very glad he was beaten by the minis and by such a margin.

[focus206]

What's the point in stating that the Mini are for girls when you are behind 3 of them? :D
Anyway, congratulations to Peterhansel for the victory and to everyone who finished this year's Dakar! ;)

[Toni77]

Great victory for italian trucks. De Rooy in first position and Stacey in 2nd.
Congratulations to Biasion for his fantastic climb...

If anyone want to see the podium:
Flickr: iveco's Photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/iveco1975/)

[mm1]

And that is why I am not a Robbie Gordon fan. Even less of one now after his treatment of Nasser and how he runs his mouth in interviews. Very glad he was beaten by the minis and by such a margin.
I think that Robby added a bit of excitement to this years Dakar, if not him, this years edition wouldn`t be the event it was.

[Mirek]

Photos of Petr Lusk: eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Rally Dakar 2012 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=1521&fotograf=2&all=1)

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/ostatni/dakar/pl_a_133_nic_6.jpg

[Toni77]

I found an interesting link to download wallpaper and screensaver:
Iveco-Petronas-Dakar-2012 (http://web.iveco.com/Documents/Dakar/Iveco-Petronas-Dakar-2012-De-Rooy-download.html)

[Zeakiwi]

I think Nasser will not be driving a Hummer in 2013.

al-Attiyah says Robby Gordon Hummer look-alike buggy and team was equally bad | Rally Raid Dakar (http://www.dakarrallyraid.com/al-attiyah-says-robby-gordon-car-and-team-was-equally-bad/)

[Toni77]

I’ve found a little video that shows the fantastic victory of Italians Iveco ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8uLbFXAcAY

[Back-N-Black]

I think Nasser will not be driving a Hummer in 2013.

al-Attiyah says Robby Gordon Hummer look-alike buggy and team was equally bad | Rally Raid Dakar (http://www.dakarrallyraid.com/al-attiyah-says-robby-gordon-car-and-team-was-equally-bad/)

And this is why I am no longer a fan of al-Attiyah. Real team player, almost crashes Sainz out last year and quits early this year. Robbie could have used his support for the rest of the rally.

Nasser drove like a madman, you need to take care of the truck! Robbie proved that if you could drive sanely that the Hummers could truly be a force. He really lost it though in the end, he started driving like a mad man.

I don't want to be mean but if you truly think, deep down inside, that you would rather have a cute little Mini than a Hummer you have to be a girl. I mean, come on!

[TyPat107]

I don't want to be mean but if you truly think, deep down inside, that you would rather have a cute little Mini than a Hummer you have to be a girl. I mean, come on!

Hardly. I would rather have something competitive AND reliable. Also want something far removed from the association with Robbie Gordon.

[focus206]

I don't want to be mean but if you truly think, deep down inside, that you would rather have a cute little Mini than a Hummer you have to be a girl. I mean, come on!

I must be a girl then :D

[Humber]

Prefer the www.overdriveracing.be (http://www.overdriveracing.be) Toyota Hilux.