[WRC] Wales Rally GB

[wwbroe]

I was looking for a thread for Wales Rally GB, but i didn't see one? The event will take place in less then three weeks, so i was surprised not to see news about this last round of the championship.
I found a draft for the entrylist: http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/Wales_Rally_GB_Draft_Entry_List_21-10-11.pdf

[jbmarcus21]

Full program here + Google Earth Map 2011
http://bit.ly/oVKJ5D

[Mintexmemory]

Full program here + Google Earth Map 2011
http://bit.ly/oVKJ5D
If you build it he will come!

Shakedown, Great Orme, Dyfnant, Myherin, Halfway/Crychan and the Podium Ceremony for me.
Go Ott.

[Brynmor Pierce]

Well was supposed to be competing on the event but that fell through...
So for me, pop into Llandudno 1st thing Thursday, Clocaenog in the afternoon (30 years since I watched my first RAC Rally in there with my late dad), Friday Dyfi East and Saturday Hafren....

Anyone wants any tips i'm local so please ask away...

Cheers
Bryn

[Allyc85]

I cant wait for this :D

Friday mid-day service, Myherin and Halfway/ Crychan for me, plus hoping to meet up with Mintexmemory at some point :D

[Fly_Half]

Really looking forward to the event now, counting down the days!

Probably looking at doing Shakedown, Gartheiniog or Dyfi on Friday, Sweet Lamb and Myherin on Saturday, then Crychan and Monument on Sunday. Hopefully a trip or two to Service somewhere along the way also.

For those coming from overseas, don't forget there's a fantastic National event running alongside the main event on Friday and Saturday. There's a couple of VERY quick historic Escort drivers out who will be very entertaining...

[MrJan]

Was thinking about this one but TBH don't fancy driving further north than Epynt to pay silly money for two stages. That leaves the Sunday stages...which I think could actually turn out to be quite limp. Might make a late decision to go based on what happens during the first few days, but I doubt it.

[bopApocalypse]

Excited to see how Chris Duplessis does (Fiesta R2 #123)....

[TyPat107]

Excited to see how Chris Duplessis does (Fiesta R2 #123)....

Great to see him finally compete at the world level!

[Doon]

Full program here + Google Earth Map 2011
http://bit.ly/oVKJ5D

Hi thanks once again for the maps! Are they all accurate, as I was hoping they would run through my favourite part of Dyfnant? I don't doubt you, just want to make sure. Where do you source the route from, and if you have the raw stage maps could you send them to me please? Thanks very much!

[logic]

I will be down there from the Thursday

[Whinlatter]

Great Orme and hopefully Llandudno service Thursday; probably Dyfnant Friday; Builth service and second run through Sweet Lamb Saturday for me - can't do Sunday but should have plenty of full memory cards by then anyway....

Barry - is £20 for a double usage stage really silly money? Compared to the price of your fuel I'd have thought it was a bargain.

[makinen_fan]

i will be there from Wednesday. hope that we will watch nice show from the top guys as always in wales

which is worth watching? great orme or the Clocaenog? i believe there is not enough time to move from one to another.

[makinen_fan]

Hi thanks once again for the maps! Are they all accurate, as I was hoping they would run through my favourite part of Dyfnant? I don't doubt you, just want to make sure. Where do you source the route from, and if you have the raw stage maps could you send them to me please? Thanks very much!

i would like to know too. i am thinking to base my watching spots on those google earth maps. never tried it before... i usually just go to the predefined car park spaces

[Gregor-y]

Excited to see how Chris Duplessis does (Fiesta R2 #123)....
It's very good of Ford to give him a shot.

[Doon]

i will be there from Wednesday. hope that we will watch nice show from the top guys as always in wales

which is worth watching? great orme or the Clocaenog? i believe there is not enough time to move from one to another.

I'd say go to the forest, thats what i'll be doing. I don't think the viewing spots on the Orme will be that good for excitement!

[Whinlatter]

Great Orme will be scenic and atmospheric and is run twice, but Clocaenog will be more spectacular and you'll get closer to the action. Great Orme is also very exposed if the weather is wet and/or windy!

[Allyc85]

I would go to the forests if it was me, as the viewing will be better, especially if the weather is bad!




For those coming from overseas, don't forget there's a fantastic National event running alongside the main event on Friday and Saturday. There's a couple of VERY quick historic Escort drivers out who will be very entertaining...

Agreed, im really looking forward to seeing the National B. Such a shame that is seems extremely unlikely that we will see Andy Burton in the Peugeot Cosworth now, with the spare crank seemingly no good :(

[MrJan]

Barry - is £20 for a double usage stage really silly money? Compared to the price of your fuel I'd have thought it was a bargain.

I believe so. As I can only do the Sunday it means no National event and a number of retirements. And then compare it to a national rally or something like the RAC and, to me, it seems overpriced.

This year I've only managed 3 rallies. THe first was the Wyedean which, IIRC, was a £10 day pass for a car and enabled me to see 4 stages. The second was the Somerset Stages, I only went for the morning but saw 2 stages without having to pay anything. THe third was on Epynt, a whole day of rallying (think it was 6 stages) for £10 a car. Compare each of those to £20 per person for two stages and I think it's a bit over the top. I expect to pay more for top level rallying but you can take a car full to the Wyedean and watch a national event through 4 stages for half the price of a GB ticket.

And yes the fuel to get there will be expensive, but that's all the more reason to stay at home and moan about them trying to charge 20 quid. That way I'm not only saving £20 but also £70 or so on fuel :p :

[MJW]

[quote="barryfullalove"]I believe so. As I can only do the Sunday it means no National event and a number of retirements. And then compare it to a national rally or something like the RAC and, to me, it seems overpriced.

This year I've only managed 3 rallies. THe first was the Wyedean which, IIRC, was a £10 day pass for a car and enabled me to see 4 stages. The second was the Somerset Stages, I only went for the morning but saw 2 stages without having to pay anything. THe third was on Epynt, a whole day of rallying (think it was 6 stages) for £10 a car. Compare each of those to £20 per person for two stages and I think it's a bit over the top. I expect to pay more for top level rallying but you can take a car full to the Wyedean and watch a national event through 4 stages for half the price of a GB ticket.


And yes the fuel to get there will be expensive, but that's all the more reason to stay at home and moan about them trying to charge 20 quid. That way I'm not only saving £20 but also £70 or so on fuel :p :[/QUOTE

I dont know how you can compare BTRDA event and club rally on Epynt to Messers Loeb, Ogier, Latvala, Hirvonen etc.

[Hartusvuori]

I dont know how you can compare BTRDA event and club rally on Epynt to Messers Loeb, Ogier, Latvala, Hirvonen etc.

And there are people on the forum that pay wayyyy more for seeing the top drivers. Of course travelling adds up, but still - go!

[MrJan]

Others may feel that paying those sums for top level rallying is worth it. I don't. I don't earn a lot of money so choose to spend carefully, hence why I look at what I get for my money. Although the top level drivers are spectacularly quick it is, at the end of the day, a handful of cars through 2 stages. This requires me to either get up extremely early (which I'm not good at) or travel up the night before and kip in the car. I also have to pay a lot of money to do this. Add in the fact that it's a Sunday, when the rally could well be all but over and a number of the top drivers will be out (hardly a rare occurence this season), and I'm really not convinced that I want to spend my money on it.

What it all boils down to is 'will I enjoy 2 stages of Rally GB that much more than I enjoy 4 stages on the Wyedean'. The answer, quite simply, is probably not. Simples.

[MrJan]

And there are people on the forum that pay wayyyy more for seeing the top drivers. Of course travelling adds up, but still - go!

I'd rather save my money to do sprints and hillclimbs next season.

[wrc1600]

What is the point of organasing a special stage with no access to public? Especially if that is Power Stage.

[AndyRAC]

You have my sympathy Barry.....the Quinton on Epynt was £10 for 2 runs of 150 odd cars....
I know it's a World Championship, but it's not F1 or football.....£20 is quite a lot for a minority sport.

However the top WRC/ S2000/Juniors guys are really on it......a completely different level - it's the rest who plod along....

[Doon]

Others may feel that paying those sums for top level rallying is worth it. I don't. I don't earn a lot of money so choose to spend carefully, hence why I look at what I get for my money. Although the top level drivers are spectacularly quick it is, at the end of the day, a handful of cars through 2 stages. This requires me to either get up extremely early (which I'm not good at) or travel up the night before and kip in the car. I also have to pay a lot of money to do this. Add in the fact that it's a Sunday, when the rally could well be all but over and a number of the top drivers will be out (hardly a rare occurence this season), and I'm really not convinced that I want to spend my money on it.

What it all boils down to is 'will I enjoy 2 stages of Rally GB that much more than I enjoy 4 stages on the Wyedean'. The answer, quite simply, is probably not. Simples.


I agree with you totally. The top few (probably 7 on WRGB this year i.e works cars and Petter) will be awesome and on a different planet speed wise, but after that with the exception of a handfull of the SWRC boys it's not much more thrill factor than a BTRDA rally. I'd rather watch Andy Burton go round all day than your Matt Wilsons, Hennings and Raikkonens. Plus, i'm happy to give £10 per car for a BTRDA round because it goes to local charities which keeps the locals happy that the rally is running. I wouldn't pay £10 to watch a BRC round though.......now very boring! I think £10 per person would be a good price for Rally GB, or £30 per car which would give it eco-credentials for limiting CO2 and all that balls!

Anyway, for the last few years i've bought OS maps and planned a route in by either camping or finding a local carpark, and then walking. It's all legal, even if the forests are offically closed (this info can be found on the CRoW website) the public rights of way i.e. Public Footpaths are not affected, and no body has any grounds on which to stop you providing you keep to the footpaths, under the 'Right to Roam Act'. Well we've just been out for a walk in the forest after all ;)

It takes a bit of planning, but if you can be bothered it'll save you alot of money, and I'm sad and love looking at maps anyway. Last year we watched Friday and Saturday's stages and didn't pay a penny, and we were well within our rights to do so too. I'm not sure about the 'Southern' stages though, never tried them as i'm further North.

...and if anyone wants to call me a tight wad, then screw them because the money i'll pay over a year to the Forestry Commision to rally more than covers it!

[6789]

I understand you guys have a different viewpoint on what is exspensive. Even for the rally is Australia this year we had to travel and spend a bit. Beats being in a plane for 24 hours!

But at the end of the day it's up to you guys, personally I think the new WRC cars are worth the £20 or whatever the cost is.

[MrJan]

The cars are what tempt me, they look great fun. However I can take the £70 fuel and £20 ticket and put that towards entry fees for a hillclimb next year. Given the choice between competing and spectating...well it's a no-brainer isn't it.

[Brynmor Pierce]

Back to Clocaenog or Gt Orme, having seen the stages in Clocaenog and where has been cleared there will be a great atmosphere and at one location almost an amphitheatre effect, should be great in the dark...can you tell i'm excited !! haha

[AndyRAC]

Yeah, looking forward to Clocaenog - only shame they didn't include Brenig/Alwen and another stage in Clocaenog....

[Doon]

Yeah, looking forward to Clocaenog - only shame they didn't include Brenig/Alwen and another stage in Clocaenog....

I 2nd that! I think there are stages where Burton could be quicker than the WRC's, he knows the stages i north/mid wales. Considering his time in Radnor was only 17s down on Loeb last year, even after a spin which Rob said cost them 10s.

I'm sure N.O.T will tell us we are patriotic idiots, and that Andy Burton is a cheat, and he only set a decent time because he airlifted his car halfway through the stage were there were no marshalls, and then strapped a gas turbine engine on the back for the last 4.5km of straight road.....and at the same time the Citroen boys were chatting up Margaret Thatcher and Loeb convinced her to co-drive, because Hirvonen was too slow to beat in a straight fight so he felt sorry for him, so all Lady Thatcher had to do was check the tyre pressures. At the time Kris Meeke was pushing to his limit, but was overtaken by a Lada Samara driven by Stephen Hawking which proved Meeke was rubbish.


I wonder how Rally GB will unfold?

[N.O.T]

I 2nd that! I think there are stages where Burton could be quicker than the WRC's, he knows the stages i north/mid wales. Considering his time in Radnor was only 17s down on Loeb last year, even after a spin which Rob said cost them 10s.

I'm sure N.O.T will tell us we are patriotic idiots, and that Andy Burton is a cheat, and he only set a decent time because he airlifted his car halfway through the stage were there were no marshalls, and then strapped a gas turbine engine on the back for the last 4.5km of straight road.....and at the same time the Citroen boys were chatting up Margaret Thatcher and Loeb convinced her to co-drive, because Hirvonen was too slow to beat in a straight fight so he felt sorry for him, so all Lady Thatcher had to do was check the tyre pressures. At the time Kris Meeke was pushing to his limit, but was overtaken by a Lada Samara driven by Stephen Hawking which proved Meeke was rubbish.


I wonder how Rally GB will unfold?

i actually like Mr Burton and his prototype...and he can sure beat the lesser WRCs driven by 5 year plans.

[Plan9]

Mikko better win this at all costs another 2009 would be too painful.

[6789]

The cars are what tempt me, they look great fun. However I can take the £70 fuel and £20 ticket and put that towards entry fees for a hillclimb next year. Given the choice between competing and spectating...well it's a no-brainer isn't it.
Yeah WRC :P But if you're competing then thats understandable :)

[bluuford]

The top few (probably 7 on WRGB this year i.e works cars and Petter) will be awesome and on a different planet speed wise, but after that with the exception of a handfull of the SWRC boys it's not much more thrill factor than a BTRDA rally. I'd rather watch Andy Burton go round all day than your Matt Wilsons, Hennings and Raikkonens.


Do not insult Henning! He is one of the most spectacular drivers on gravel and you should not put him on the same list with Räikkönen and Wilson.

[makinen_fan]

Do not insult Henning! He is one of the most spectacular drivers on gravel and you should not put him on the same list with Räikkönen and Wilson.

agree with that. it is not the same that a driver is slow and not spectacular to watch. also wilson is quite spectacular to watch in the stages, epsecially GB. he uses some more old techniques, but ok he is moving a LOT slower than the sebs and the fords

[Whinlatter]

Anyway, for the last few years i've bought OS maps and planned a route in by either camping or finding a local carpark, and then walking. It's all legal, even if the forests are offically closed (this info can be found on the CRoW website) the public rights of way i.e. Public Footpaths are not affected, and no body has any grounds on which to stop you providing you keep to the footpaths, under the 'Right to Roam Act'. Well we've just been out for a walk in the forest after all ;)

It takes a bit of planning, but if you can be bothered it'll save you alot of money, and I'm sad and love looking at maps anyway. Last year we watched Friday and Saturday's stages and didn't pay a penny, and we were well within our rights to do so too. I'm not sure about the 'Southern' stages though, never tried them as i'm further North.
Up to a point I'd agree with that, but finding somewhere to park the car that isn't 10 miles away is a problem on several stages. I don't mind getting there early to make sure I arrive in time, but I'm less keen on walking back for hours across deserted footpaths in the pitch black!

[Fly_Half]

What is the point of organasing a special stage with no access to public? Especially if that is Power Stage.

The Power Stage is open to those with World Rally Passes.

Still, I don't believe Monument/Gwibedog is the right choice for the Power Stage, even more so when the stage is cut short so the best sections aren't even being used! Personally I think the Route 60 section of Halfway should be the Power Stage, it's an absolute travesty that section has been cut out, it's the best stage in the UK!

[Englandsfahrer]

also wilson is quite spectacular to watch in the stages, epsecially GB. he uses some more old techniques, but ok he is moving a LOT slower than the sebs and the fords

Well, actually, I suspect the reason Wilson is spectacular to watch is slightly different from the others. Whereas Latvala goes rather sideways because it's his preferred style, Wilson will be a bit too sideways because he's not entirely in control, which adds the excitement of a possible crash..

Last year I sat at a downhill hairpin right after a cattle grid on Halfway. And because of the nature of the road it was a lot easier than usual to see the different styles of the drivers. Every single driver except for Loeb, Latvala and Petter backed off a little across the cattle grid, but most of them where consistent under braking. Even Ken Block. The only one who couldn't find a proper braking point on the downhill hairpin was Wilson, stabbing at his brake pedal, much like a hysterical valium addicted housewife stabbing the next door neighbors poodle with a chopstick, after finding a little "present" on her lawn. The first time i thought he had a brake issue, but he was the same on the repeat run later in the day. Yes, it was spectacular, but only because he looked so unstable.

Saying that. He's not crashed much lately has he?

[Zeakiwi]

Paddon with STI/ Symtech Subaru R4 for Wales Rally GB.

http://haydenpaddon.com/news?news=65

[Mirek]

Saying that. He's not crashed much lately has he?

Right, he actually crashes rarely.

[rubla]

Well, actually, I suspect the reason Wilson is spectacular to watch is slightly different from the others. Whereas Latvala goes rather sideways because it's his preferred style, Wilson will be a bit too sideways because he's not entirely in control, which adds the excitement of a possible crash..

Last year I sat at a downhill hairpin right after a cattle grid on Halfway. And because of the nature of the road it was a lot easier than usual to see the different styles of the drivers. Every single driver except for Loeb, Latvala and Petter backed off a little across the cattle grid, but most of them where consistent under braking. Even Ken Block. The only one who couldn't find a proper braking point on the downhill hairpin was Wilson, stabbing at his brake pedal, much like a hysterical valium addicted housewife stabbing the next door neighbors poodle with a chopstick, after finding a little "present" on her lawn. The first time i thought he had a brake issue, but he was the same on the repeat run later in the day. Yes, it was spectacular, but only because he looked so unstable.

Saying that. He's not crashed much lately has he?

I was told by one old school rally pilot once, to look brake lights - if they flash more than once before the corner, then this driver is not feeling comfortable and nothing good comes out of this. I have been paying attention to this since then and it has been very true sign of bad performance.

[Francis44]

I was told by one old school rally pilot once, to look brake lights - if they flash more than once before the corner, then this driver is not feeling comfortable and nothing good comes out of this. I have been paying attention to this since then and it has been very true sign of bad performance.

Is this really true?! I always thought on gravel it would be usefull to use this braking several times technique in order to have more control on the lines you wanna take and throw the car around a little bit more, however on tarmac this does not apply sinces you are supposed to be smooth. Seeing the tops drivers in WRC Portugal I noticed in a very high speed section coming to a hairpin most would tap the brakes several times in what I think was an attempt to throw the car into the hairpin much easily.

[Juha_Koo]

Is this really true?! I always thought on gravel it would be usefull to use this braking several times technique in order to have more control on the lines you wanna take and throw the car around a little bit more, however on tarmac this does not apply sinces you are supposed to be smooth. Seeing the tops drivers in WRC Portugal I noticed in a very high speed section coming to a hairpin most would tap the brakes several times in what I think was an attempt to throw the car into the hairpin much easily.

Yes, ofcourse that's also used. It kinda "binds" the car to the road better and not even Loeb is such a wizard that he could always do only a one braking to a tight corner (on gravel). It's few taps on the brake searching for grip and stability and then giving maximum (or what's needed).

But then there's this thing called "pumping" where the driver is constantly pumping the brake pedal. Matthew does that all the time, I've heard many refer to him as "pumppujalka Wilson", "pump foot Wilson" which refers to his constant braking. Sometimes watching the onboards it looks like he's doing it even on straights not to speak of semi-fast corners. Every time he brakes, the weight is shifted to the front of the car and the rear becomes very anxious and to counteract it, again he goes on the brake pedal. It's constant mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mmm. Also if you watch some face cam shots, he looks very intimidated all the time. I personally believe that he has never fully gotten over from that huge crash in BRC in 2005. In my opinion it's not really rocket science to answer the question why MW doesn't have the pace or why he hasn't developed. He just doesn't have the courage. Many people know it but they just don't say it out loud...

[bluuford]

I was told by one old school rally pilot once, to look brake lights - if they flash more than once before the corner, then this driver is not feeling comfortable and nothing good comes out of this. I have been paying attention to this since then and it has been very true sign of bad performance.

Last year cars required the style you just described much more. They were more like cricuit cars. New cars need a bit different approach and therefore more taping on the brakes and throwing the car more before the corners. The other thing you can clearly hear is going across the blind crests. You can see it from the lights as well as you can hear when someone lifts a little before the blind crest.

[Whinlatter]

In my opinion it's not really rocket science to answer the question why MW doesn't have the pace or why he hasn't developed. He just doesn't have the courage. Many people know it but they just don't say it out loud...
I think that's because courage is a very emotive word, especially in sport where macho characteristics like courage (or 'bottle', as it is often called) are often prized above genuine skill or talent (see also the English Premier League). Matt himself usually portrays it as a lack of confidence in the 'feel' of the car, and I'm sure it's true that some drivers have a better natural feel for the car than others - either way I suspect you're right that the memory of his big accident is rooted somewhere in the cause of his uncertain braking.

[makinen_fan]

what is the big accident you are referring to? is there a youtube vid to watch as cant recall that?

[rubla]

Last year cars required the style you just described much more. They were more like cricuit cars. New cars need a bit different approach and therefore more taping on the brakes and throwing the car more before the corners. The other thing you can clearly hear is going across the blind crests. You can see it from the lights as well as you can hear when someone lifts a little before the blind crest.

I think i need to amend myself - this sign of not flashing brake lighst more than once, has some meaning BEFORE the corner - after the car has reached the desired speed to enter the corner and when the bend actually starts, FWD and 4WD cars need occasional tap on brakes to balance slide, this is natural.

[Mirek]

I think i need to amend myself - this sign of not flashing brake lighst more than once, has some meaning BEFORE the corner - after the car has reached the desired speed to enter the corner and when the bend actually starts, FWD and 4WD cars need occasional tap on brakes to balance slide, this is natural.

But Bluuford is right that the situation isn't same with old WRC cars with active centre diff and with new ones without centre diff at all. The other problem I see now with mechanical sequential gearbox is that there is quite a big risk off stalling engine while braking due to blocking wheels with no throttle or clutch in same time. I assume (I admit no practical experience with that) it must be harder to brake effectively now and sometimes maybe impossible to do so continuously.

[Mintexmemory]

what is the big accident you are referring to? is there a youtube vid to watch as cant recall that?
Look up his wiki biography for the facts, don't think the event was captured but stand to be corrected. I'd agree that loss of nerve may stop him ever succeeding at WRC level

[Co-driven]

Once I heard that on cars such as N4 (and I imagine that that must be the same to WRC cars) the drivers should keep the foot on the brake pedal even on the straights, especially on the long ones. This happens because of the 'movement' of the car that can make things out of place and when he steps on the brake pedal before the bend there would be no brake (sorry if it's not clear, it's been a while since I heard that and I can't recall everything with great exactness).

[Whinlatter]

Look up his wiki biography for the facts, don't think the event was captured but stand to be corrected. I'd agree that loss of nerve may stop him ever succeeding at WRC level
I remember seeing in-car of the approach to the bend on Sky Sports' BRC coverage, but I think the impact broke the camera and therefore the footage cut off just before the car left the road.

[Fly_Half]

Guys, this is a thread for Wales Rally GB, not the relative merits or limitations of Matt Wilson's braking techniques.

[Mintexmemory]

Guys, this is a thread for Wales Rally GB, not the relative merits or limitations of Matt Wilson's braking techniques.
So what's your itinerary Rhod, beer at Builth on Wednesday?

[6789]

Once I heard that on cars such as N4 (and I imagine that that must be the same to WRC cars) the drivers should keep the foot on the brake pedal even on the straights, especially on the long ones. This happens because of the 'movement' of the car that can make things out of place and when he steps on the brake pedal before the bend there would be no brake (sorry if it's not clear, it's been a while since I heard that and I can't recall everything with great exactness).

Maybe you are referring to tapping the brakes to check you have sufficient brake pressure?

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[big_sw2000]

what is the big accident you are referring to? is there a youtube vid to watch as cant recall that?
It was the last year WRC cars were used in the BRC, he was still only a kid about 19ish. It was Rally of Wales, and i belive Hafren stage. He hit a few trees going quite fast, and broke both his legs, smashing his knee up quite bad.

[Brynmor Pierce]

Nearly correct middle of Dyfi stage in 2005 on Rally of Wales....

[ProSpec]

It was actually the fast right at the bottom of the ski slope in Gartheiniog (below Coed Mawr - SH 821 118). This has caught a few out over the years, but Matthew's crash was probably the biggest.
Luckily for Matthew and Scott Martin (his navigator who was also badly injured) Mark Higgins & Bryan Thomas had broken down not far away and had gone to watch at this spot when Matthew crashed.
They both immediatly helped and probably saved Matthews life.

[Bartolbia84]

8 at the start of the Italian Wales Rally GB

Italians at the start

Gianluca Linari - Nicola Arena (Subaru Impreza STi)
Lorenzi Bertelli - Lorenzo Barns (Lancer Evo IX)
Luca Hoebeling - Tullio Siena (Subaru Impreza)
Davide Catania - Fabio Salis (Citroen DS3 R3T)
Giuseppe Dettori - Carlo Pisano (Ford Fiesta S2000)
Alex Uliana - Palitta Masina (Fiesta R2)
Giuseppe Nucita - - Andrea Nucita (Fiesta R2)
Andrea Crugnola - Michele Ferrara (Fiesta R2)

[Barreis]

It's only for show. There's no really fast Italians in WRC these days.
http://www.wrc.com/news/prada-son-impresses-in-wrc/?fid=15681

[156M]

Well was supposed to be competing on the event but that fell through...
So for me, pop into Llandudno 1st thing Thursday, Clocaenog in the afternoon (30 years since I watched my first RAC Rally in there with my late dad), Friday Dyfi East and Saturday Hafren....

Anyone wants any tips i'm local so please ask away...

Cheers
Bryn

Hello, would indeed like some tips. Some 10 years ago since we visited Wales Rally GB. Could you give me some tips for Dyfi (West or East), Hafren and Halfway or Crychan ?
Is it still possible to go and watch whitout going to the car-parcs ? We stay in a cottage not far from Staylittle so we are very close to the Hafren stage on saturday. Greetings from Belgium.

[Fly_Half]

So what's your itinerary Rhod, beer at Builth on Wednesday?

Quite possibly Phil, but then I'm not bothering with the Thursday stages so will be driving home afterwards. Would be good to have a beer after Shakedown though!

[Jamie Love]

Where do you reckon the best place to go on the Friday is? I'm unsure to go do one Dyfi in the morning, then the other in the afternoon, does anyone know what any of Fridays stages are like to spectate on?

[24jonesy]

Where do you reckon the best place to go on the Friday is? I'm unsure to go do one Dyfi in the morning, then the other in the afternoon, does anyone know what any of Fridays stages are like to spectate on?

Dyfi east car park F. Viewing as directed on spectator info is fast but not very exciting, cars approach from left and go round a fast left hander. Doubt you will be able to view from the outside of the corner. Inside viewing is banked but average view. If you go left as you approach the stage and down along the straight there is a series of bends that you can view from bank on thr right, usually good view. If you go right as you approach stage, continue through a series of tighter bends until you get to a clearing.(care at these bends if stage live - often difficult to hear cars approaching and limited places to get off track) Steep drop to your right. Viewing possible from banks to your left. fast part of stage into tricky right hander.unfortunately you can't see round corner any more due to trees. From right hander limited viewing areas and only short viewpoints. Not familiar with Dyfi west or Gartheiniog stage. Dyfnant is usually good, the main hairpin is downhill with a fast approach. Fast and tricky right hander down hill after hairpin. Unsure of where they will allow you to stand. The double view point at top of stage used to be good but not been there for over 15 years. hope that's of some use to you.

[AndyRAC]

Dyfnant is usually good - however spectating on National/BRC events is completely different to spectating on W RallyGB.....so I imagine the usual spots might not be used.

[danwilsontx]

Dear All

New to the forum. Have been out of the country for the past 15 years and am now back and want to go watch the GB Rally. Used to watch it when it was the RAC Rally in Yorkshire and further north. Am planning to go on the Saturday - can you recommend which is the best stage - looking at Hafren or Myherin - any advice on parking, best place to watch etc. Any help would be gratefully received.

Thanks

[makinen_fan]

Dear All

New to the forum. Have been out of the country for the past 15 years and am now back and want to go watch the GB Rally. Used to watch it when it was the RAC Rally in Yorkshire and further north. Am planning to go on the Saturday - can you recommend which is the best stage - looking at Hafren or Myherin - any advice on parking, best place to watch etc. Any help would be gratefully received.

Thanks

For Saturady I am going Myherin and Sweet Lamb. I would recommend Sweet Lamb over Hafren.

The viewing spots in Hafren is limited and I did not find anything too exciting except from the downhill hairpin which is too crowded with very limited viewing angles. Also the road to reach the car park is too long and because it is single lane it is bit of a nightmare.

For Sweet Lamb do notice it gets VERY muddy in the car park that has a festival like atmosphere. There is plenty of room to park. You can watch the cars for approximately 2 minutes with very nice sequence of bend hairpin water splashes and jumps. Also there is always massive queue to get out of the stage.

For Myherin you get 3-4 possible spots with nice views, the is a turn left with fast approach in first portion of the allowed viewing positions, then a sequence of fast bend and at the end a uphill tight right bend (almost a hairpin). Parking is on the side of forest road, but marshall control it fine.

[logic]

Morning
Day 1 - Thursday -10th
6:30 Meet Heathrow terminal 5 Transfer to Luton - pick up Motorhome
11:30 AM •Venue Cymru, The Promenade, Llandudno, LL30 1BB - pick up tickets
4:55 PM Opening ceremony, Service Mostyn Street, Llandudno
12 PM parking for Great Orme
7:30 PM Head for Friday opening stage - overnight in spectator parking lot - Dynfi east or West


Day 2 - Friday - 11th Dyfi East/West Parking lot. Watch both stages from parking lot.
Lunchtime watch early cars in Dyfi West then Head to Dyfant by 3:15 to watch afternoon stage Overnight in Campground - nr Hafren


Day 3 - Saturday 12th 5 Am - Leave Campground head to Sweet Lamb Parking lot Noon - Leave Sweet Lamb head to Hafren (or straight to Service)
3 PM After Hafren head to Builth Wells Service
4:15 - Builth Wells Service Park
7-9 PM head to Halfway parking lot


Day 4 - Sunday Halfway parking lot P
11:40 leave Halfway parking lot P for Service in Builth

[Allyc85]

Just read that Andy Burtons Peugeot Cosworth cant be fixed for the National section, gutted :( :(

[156M]

Will he compete with another car ? Wanted to see him once in Wales, after he was here at the "Monteberg" rallysprint once with the Alfa.

[Allyc85]

I very much doubt it, I could never see him driving anything else but his own. Its such a shame for those who have never seen or heard it, that noise just never wore off at all.

[mousti]

Last year I had the honor to listen and watch it at Wales Rally GB and it's written in my memory. It was on Monument Hill a fast left right hander, he went like a rocket there nobody of the other National entries went so fast like him. And the sound gives you goosebumps and u hear it in the forests continueing for like 2 minutes. Just crazy..

[Mintexmemory]

I very much doubt it, I could never see him driving anything else but his own. Its such a shame for those who have never seen or heard it, that noise just never wore off at all.

Gutted, missed him last year because he didn't get as far as Crychan (don't think he ever intended to - my theory is the banzai time on the first National stage was only achievable by going beyond the red line!)
Just have to hope he is asked to demonstrate the Pugsworth in Charlie March's back yard at next year's Festival of Speed

[Plan9]

If the rumors are true this may be the last time we see Meeke in a Mini. Makes me wish I was there now to soak up all the nostalgia.

[Voice of Rally]

Hi Guys,

Thought I’d go and have a look at the Great Orme - what a stage!

Here’s my drive through

WRC GB - Colin Clark drives the Great Orme - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdLTKUb0w8g&feature=channel_video_title)

[Voice of Rally]

If the rumors are true this may be the last time we see Meeke in a Mini. Makes me wish I was there now to soak up all the nostalgia.

Don’t know where this is coming from guys, but as long as Mini are in next year’s championship, Kris will be there with them!

[big_sw2000]

Gutted, missed him last year because he didn't get as far as Crychan (don't think he ever intended to - my theory is the banzai time on the first National stage was only achievable by going beyond the red line!)
Just have to hope he is asked to demonstrate the Pugsworth in Charlie March's back yard at next year's Festival of Speed

He posted a top 7 WRC time in Radnor last year, as he only lives a few miles from there. He drives it a few times a year in national events. Although say that, with out a recce.

He has had the car down at Goodwood, at leaast twice before.
Rember seeing it parked up next to an 037 lancia, and RS200. Couple of guys who obivious never seen it, slagged it off for about 10 mins. Stood next to them on the stage, with there mouths wide open lol.

[Mintexmemory]

He posted a top 7 WRC time in Radnor last year, as he only lives a few miles from there. He drives it a few times a year in national events. Although say that, with out a recce.

He has had the car down at Goodwood, at leaast twice before.
Rember seeing it parked up next to an 037 lancia, and RS200. Couple of guys who obivious never seen it, slagged it off for about 10 mins. Stood next to them on the stage, with there mouths wide open lol.

Wonder how Raikonnen felt as the first WRC time slower than Mr B. I didn't get to the Goodwood Stage the first year it ran but have been every year since. I must always have been in the wrong place at the right time (or vice versa) :( cos I've never even caught a glimpse of disappearing exhaust and I would have snapped it in the paddock had I seen it.

[noel157]

If the rumors are true this may be the last time we see Meeke in a Mini. Makes me wish I was there now to soak up all the nostalgia.

Stop talking nonsense man. The only place Meeke is going is the start ramp of the next 27 WRC rounds.

[wildboar]

Interesting facts about the Great Orme rally stage - North Wales News - News - Daily Post North Wales (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2011/11/01/interesting-facts-about-the-great-orme-rally-stage-55578-29695603/)

[big_sw2000]

That man Mr Burton, beat Hirvonan and Jarri Matti

[Jamie Love]

Does anyone know if you are going to be able to see Chrychan and Halfway from virtually the same spot like last year?

They added that tarmac stretch and I want to know if they are going to use it again!

[makinen_fan]

Does anyone know if you are going to be able to see Chrychan and Halfway from virtually the same spot like last year?

They added that tarmac stretch and I want to know if they are going to use it again!

Yes I believe you do. In the spectator guide that came with my tickets, in the description of the Dixies car park it says there is access to the Chrychan stage (presumably that hairpin?). That's a spot I may go this year. Do you have time to watch Chrychan and then switch positions to watch Halfway?

[makinen_fan]

is chrychan and halfway the other way round this year compared to 2010?

[Jamie Love]

Yes I believe you do. In the spectator guide that came with my tickets, in the description of the Dixies car park it says there is access to the Chrychan stage (presumably that hairpin?). That's a spot I may go this year. Do you have time to watch Chrychan and then switch positions to watch Halfway?


Last year yes, that was easy to do, you did not even have to switch positions you could have watched form the hill!

Edit: I don't know if they've switched them, I do know they've changed the name is last year it was Four ways Chrychan

[Gregor-y]

Hi Guys,

Thought I’d go and have a look at the Great Orme - what a stage!

Here’s my drive through

WRC GB - Colin Clark drives the Great Orme - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdLTKUb0w8g&feature=channel_video_title)
Kind of funny you did a WRC stage in a Skoda.

[makinen_fan]

search this link in google maps and you can see the brilliant maps from planetmarcus.
http://planetemarcus.free.fr/Wales%20Rally%20GB%202011%20(by%20Dimitri%20Dusart ).kmz

i am not sure though which is the start and finish of stages. the chychan stage looks the same as last year. not sure how accurate the maps are.

[makinen_fan]

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/314476_284174141605018_125753050780462_927169_5688 11401_n.jpg

Prokop's fiesta getting ready for Rally GB

[Jamie Love]

Kind of funny you did a WRC stage in a Skoda.

Isn't it a Focus rs?

[Gregor-y]

Isn't it a Focus rs?
The green's a little deeper (darker? I don't know how to properly describe colors) than the RS, and in a few scenes you can see it has a white roof. Around 1:45 you can see it from the back, too.

[Francis44]

I think it's a Fabia RS.

[Jamie Love]

The green's a little deeper (darker? I don't know how to properly describe colors) than the RS, and in a few scenes you can see it has a white roof. Around 1:45 you can see it from the back, too.

You are right! :) Don't take this the wrong way but I've never heard of an american correcting someone on hatchbacks, do you get either model stateside?

[Jamie Love]

I think it's a Fabia RS.

VRS to be precise! ;)

[Mirek]

Francis is right as well. VRS is used only in UK, in any other markets it's called just RS ;)

[Jamie Love]

i didn't know that! What does the V stand for? :D

[Juha_Koo]

Interesting to see if the 2009 Cambrian rally 0-car experience will help Mikko, atleast some sections are included in this year's route. Judging by the onboard, some very small roads coming up...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi7rlXiVZPo

[ProRally]

i didn't know that! What does the V stand for? :D

Steering wheel on the wrong side ???? :D :D :D

[Gregor-y]

You are right! :) Don't take this the wrong way but I've never heard of an american correcting someone on hatchbacks, do you get either model stateside?
We never got either car, though Ken Block has a green Focus RS with Michigan maker plates for promotional appearances.

I became a fan of Czechoslovakia after a history course in college (professor was a translator during the war) and have been liking the Fabia since it started in the IRC. VW was considering launching a Polo in the US several years ago, decided to make an entirely new one in Mexico since the original was 'too small' and then decided they would do better selling all new much larger Passats and Jettas.

[AndyRAC]

Interesting to see if the 2009 Cambrian rally 0-car experience will help Mikko, atleast some sections are included in this year's route. Judging by the onboard, some very small roads coming up...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi7rlXiVZPo

Except that the video clip is of Penmachno South........Which sadly isn't being used, maybe next year.

[Juha_Koo]

Except that the video clip is of Penmachno South........Which sadly isn't being used, maybe next year.

Yep, I knew that. But I guess the road type is quite similiar in the area?

[Back-N-Black]

Hi Guys,

Thought I’d go and have a look at the Great Orme - what a stage!

Here’s my drive through

WRC GB - Colin Clark drives the Great Orme - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdLTKUb0w8g&feature=channel_video_title)

I just saw the video, very cool. I did leave some text there that I will repeat.

It scares me though, that wall is not very high. With the curbs there I can see someone hitting that curb and going right over the wall! OMG, I hope that does NOT happen.

There's no spectating here? Not that I could see.

[Juha_Koo]

I hope the title fight doesn't end to the Great Orme stage after a bent wheel/puncture because of gravel tyres on tarmac and that very vicious pavement stone following the road all the time...

The scenery is breathtaking but I don't see that as a great stage.

[Daniel]

I just saw the video, very cool. I did leave some text there that I will repeat.

It scares me though, that wall is not very high. With the curbs there I can see someone hitting that curb and going right over the wall! OMG, I hope that does NOT happen.

There's no spectating here? Not that I could see.

You spectate from the top and in a few areas where it's wider.

I don't think you need to worry about cars going over, the wall isn't that low and the wall is very deep. Never say never of course. The only bit that's really quick is the downhill bit at the end. Do we know if it's being run in reverse? That's how they did it in the Cambrian a few years ago and if done that way it's a lot slower as the straight at the end which is downhill turns into an uphill straight. Just remember that the cars are running on gravel tyres so the cars aren't going to be going as fast as you think.

Also, there's absolutely no chance at all of ice on the stage at all, the current forecasts are indicating temps around 10 degrees c in the North when the rally is here.

It doesn't say it in the program, but from the looks of the map it is run in reverse and I think anyone going expecting to see WRCars doing a 100mph centimetres from kerbs is going to be a little disappointed.

[mousti]

They will start in normal order. Yes they will be quite slower due to those gravel tyres but with the gravel settings the car isn't so balanced on tarmac, so when u come out of a corner they go mostly wider than on tarmac setting. So that could be exciting :)

[Daniel]

They will start in normal order. Yes they will be quite slower due to those gravel tyres but with the gravel settings the car isn't so balanced on tarmac, so when u come out of a corner they go mostly wider than on tarmac setting. So that could be exciting :)

I meant that the stage would be run in the opposite direction.

[tolis]

Yazeed Al Rajhi will start in a Fiesta S2000.

[OldF]

With this you can take a flight tour true the Great Orm. Lower on the page is also an elevation profile. Put the mouse pointer on the profile and you can see where are highest and lowest elevations on the stage. Looks quite scary on the highest point.

SS1+2 - Great Orme | Wales Rally GB | United Kingdom | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/country/United-Kingdom/rally/Wales-Rally-GB/specialstage/2736/Great-Orme)

Also a street view available for this stage (and few more but I don’t remember which ones. Just grab the man and put him on the stage. If it turns blue, there’s a street view).

Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/2/15/53.336551666259744/-3.85321044921875)

[mousti]

Yazeed Al Rajhi will start in a Fiesta S2000.

What team? And why the change??

[OldF]

Yes I believe you do. In the spectator guide that came with my tickets, in the description of the Dixies car park it says there is access to the Chrychan stage (presumably that hairpin?). That's a spot I may go this year. Do you have time to watch Chrychan and then switch positions to watch Halfway?

It’s only about 200 m between the two stages at the closest point. Maybe a good place to spectate two stages and four runs.

Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/2/15/52.01418169407605/-3.638749122619629)

At the left, choose Wales rally GB and all the other stages from other rallies will disappear from the map.

[tolis]

Yazeed Al Rajhi will start in a Fiesta S2000.
Here is the livery.

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/378881_291523084202950_160037174018209_1020284_295 156097_n.jpg

@mousti: Sorry, I don't know more details

[Daniel]

With this you can take a flight tour true the Great Orm. Lower on the page is also an elevation profile. Put the mouse pointer on the profile and you can see where are highest and lowest elevations on the stage. Looks quite scary on the highest point.

SS1+2 - Great Orme | Wales Rally GB | United Kingdom | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/country/United-Kingdom/rally/Wales-Rally-GB/specialstage/2736/Great-Orme)

Also a street view available for this stage (and few more but I don’t remember which ones. Just grab the man and put him on the stage. If it turns blue, there’s a street view).

Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/2/15/53.336551666259744/-3.85321044921875)
Interesting that they're actually running the stage anti-clockwise. That is a public road so you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be a few drivers who will be driving on it a fair few times. Running it backwards means that recce is a lot less useful.

[Mirek]

Tänak with DMack? Ott Tänak Tests DMACK Tyres for Rally GB 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUudY_iifyY&feature=youtu.be)

[cali]

Tänak with DMack? Ott Tänak Tests DMACK Tyres for Rally GB 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUudY_iifyY&feature=youtu.be)
Yes, it seems that Ott's first start in WRCar will be sponsored by DMack. Will be interesting to see Ott's pace and DMack's performance. It could go either way as both of them are unknown in big boys league.

[dimviii]

Yes, it seems that Ott's first start in WRCar will be sponsored by DMack. Will be interesting to see Ott's pace and DMack's performance. It could go either way as both of them are unknown in big boys league.

i wouldn t like this marriage.

[cali]

i wouldn t like this marriage.
True, cos more likely we can not get a hint of Ott's pace as those tire problably won't be on pace with Michelin. But it is interesting.
More here: DMACK Rally Tyres*|*Performance Passion Price (http://www.dmacktyres.com/)

[dimviii]

True, cos more likely we can not get a hint of Ott's pace as those tire problably won't be on pace with Michelin. But it is interesting.
More here: DMACK Rally Tyres | Performance Passion Price (http://www.dmacktyres.com/)

cali the difference between dmack and michelin is huge.I wan t to see Tanaks speed with same tyres as top crews.Dmack tyres can test plenty of other drivers.

[Simon Cross]

Can anybody tell me where I can find an entry list for the rally and the national on line?

[Mintexmemory]

Can anybody tell me where I can find an entry list for the rally and the national on line?

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=rally%20wales%20gb%202011%20entry%20list&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CD4QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.walesrallygb.com%2Fdocuments% 2FWales_Rally_GB_Draft_Entry_List_21-10-11.pdf&ei=w_ayTu2aEIK68gOfuLDzBA&usg=AFQjCNGm61s0DJObTYZkyJKP4RQCKeRLrQ

http://www.walesrallygb.com/documents/Wales_Rally_GB_National_List_of_Entries_19-10-11(2).pdf

Does Google not work in your part of the world? ;)

[Gregor-y]

Indeed. I want to see Chris Duplessis on the list just to be sure Ford US isn't messing with me. So I hear the WRC Academy uses Jemba notes which matches Rally America so other than the roads at least the notes will be similar.
There's a good audio interview that's a little odd for a NASCAR themed show.
Special Podcast: Duplessis, Bogie, Rally GB (http://www.bybillwood.com/online/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2459 :s pecial-podcast-duplessis-bogie-rally-gb&catid=46:racing&Itemid=105)

[Juha_Koo]

So I hear the WRC Academy uses Jemba notes which matches Rally America so other than the roads at least the notes will be similar.

Ummm...? I don't think so. It would be more than idiotic to train young guns with automatically generated notes.

[TyPat107]

Indeed. I want to see Chris Duplessis on the list just to be sure Ford US isn't messing with me. So I hear the WRC Academy uses Jemba notes which matches Rally America so other than the roads at least the notes will be similar.
There's a good audio interview that's a little odd for a NASCAR themed show.
Special Podcast: Duplessis, Bogie, Rally GB (http://www.bybillwood.com/online/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2459 :s pecial-podcast-duplessis-bogie-rally-gb&catid=46:racing&Itemid=105)

Bill wood is "Nascar Free Radio" not nascar themed.


Ummm...? I don't think so. It would be more than idiotic to train young guns with automatically generated notes.

I as well have seen a few reports here (all pertaining to Duplessis) that they were using Jemba for FIA academy like we do and thought that it was strange.

[Mirek]

FIA academy crews used their own pacenotes.

[6789]

FIA academy crews used their own pacenotes.
Do they recce all stages of just stages they are competing?

[Brynmor Pierce]

Yep, I knew that. But I guess the road type is quite similiar in the area?

To be honest Clocaenog and Penmachno are very different, Clocaenog flows and is very quick...Penmachno is narrow and technical

[Gregor-y]

Bill wood is "Nascar Free Radio" not nascar themed.

I as well have seen a few reports here (all pertaining to Duplessis) that they were using Jemba for FIA academy like we do and thought that it was strange.

I thought it was in the terms or 'free NASCAR' more than 'NASCAR free' since it's coming from the Speed Channel.

I wonder if Chris will be using Jemba at all, then, or if he and his codriver will be preparing their own notes. I would think he's not technically part of the Academy. Back when Ford announced an R2 Feista for North America they wanted to make a competition for drivers to give the winner a trip to Wales. I don't know how the program ended up as there are only a few built for privateers (and a lot built for the rally school where Chris works).

That's not saying Chris doesn't deserve a trip; no one else has been close in 2wd to his ancient Golf which generally is also ahead of a number of Subarus.

[Back-N-Black]

Full program here + Google Earth Map 2011
Programme du Rallye Wrc de Grande-Bretagne 2011 (http://bit.ly/oVKJ5D)

Thanks for the link to the Google Map but FYI, Planet Marcus times are different than the wrgb site

Wales Rally GB : Shakedown (http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/shakedown.php)

[Mintexmemory]

Thanks for the link to the Google Map but FYI, Planet Marcus times are different than the wrgb site

Wales Rally GB : Shakedown (http://www.walesrallygb.com/spectators/shakedown.php)

Because he's on CET and the rally is running on UK timing :rolleyes:

[Back-N-Black]

I only have Wed afternoon and all of Thu, trying to decide what to do and have a few questions.

I will be flying in to LHR early Wed and was thinking of trying to make it to shakedown. I will not have slept much on the flight I'm sure so wonder if it's worth the time.

Schedule says they finish shakedown at 1300, Do the crews finish quickly or do they pretty much use up all the time?
It would be cool to walk around the service area but is there anything else to do in the service area after 1300?
I know you can get the shakedown access via the 4 day rally pass but can you just get into shakedown? How Much?

I still haven't decided where to stay and what to do for Thursday.

Thanks.

[Doon]

If you're only there for a 1.5 days, dont bother with the 4 day WR pass, just pay on the gate. Great Orme is £20, Cloggy is £10, Shakedown is usually £15.

[Fly_Half]

I will be flying in to LHR early Wed and was thinking of trying to make it to shakedown.

Keep in mind the drive from LHR to Builth will be the best part of 4hrs. The last time they ran a 'proper' shakedown the top crews were finished by 11am.

[logic]

I only have Wed afternoon and all of Thu, trying to decide what to do and have a few questions.

I will be flying in to LHR early Wed and was thinking of trying to make it to shakedown. I will not have slept much on the flight I'm sure so wonder if it's worth the time.

Schedule says they finish shakedown at 1300, Do the crews finish quickly or do they pretty much use up all the time?
It would be cool to walk around the service area but is there anything else to do in the service area after 1300?
I know you can get the shakedown access via the 4 day rally pass but can you just get into shakedown? How Much?

I still haven't decided where to stay and what to do for Thursday.

Thanks.

What time do you land? We depart LHR at 6:30 in the morning and we are driving down to Wales.

[ProRally]

Do they recce all stages of just stages they are competing?

The ones they compete in, but some organizers let them do all (if they apply, the crews, I mean)...

[whereschris]

I'm looking at going to either Myherin and or Sweet Lamb. By the look of it there is only the one car park at Myherin. I went there a couple of years ago but didn't find any particularly great spots to view from - but we didn't walk too far... Any tips? I'm only really able to make the Saturday.

Cheers

[Fly_Half]

I'm looking at going to either Myherin and or Sweet Lamb. By the look of it there is only the one car park at Myherin. I went there a couple of years ago but didn't find any particularly great spots to view from - but we didn't walk too far... Any tips? I'm only really able to make the Saturday.

Cheers

It's a bit unfortunate that the Spectator car park for Myherin only provides access to the most boring part of the stage. The best sections are the first 5-6kms from the start at 'Pikes Peak' and the first Wind Farm; and then the last 5-6kms at the second Wind Farm.

Both areas will involve a very long walk to reach from the Spectator car park though.

[SteHart]

Hi, first post on this forum and apologies if this has already been discussed.

This saturday will be my first time going to see a rally and was looking for some advice. I'm thinking of going to the Sweet Lamb stage and was wondering when is the best time to get to the car park, does it fill up quickly? Any other tips/advice would be appreciated, thanks!

[whereschris]

Thanks Fly Half


Has anyone got any tips for Hafren?

[big_sw2000]

Hi, first post on this forum and apologies if this has already been discussed.

This saturday will be my first time going to see a rally and was looking for some advice. I'm thinking of going to the Sweet Lamb stage and was wondering when is the best time to get to the car park, does it fill up quickly? Any other tips/advice would be appreciated, thanks!

Get there early, at least 2 hours before. Its a big parking area, but i surgest getting there very early morning, or night before with a few beers. Always a party atmosphear in that carpark. Get a bit of kip in the car.

[Brynmor Pierce]

Friends on facebook starting to post pictures of Recce cars in Llandudno this evening, getting quite excited now!!

[jonboy99]

you got any pics for us?

[Brynmor Pierce]

Sorry no, live 30 miles from Llandudno and don't want to lift friends piccies...

[mousti]

The green color of Nobre is fitting nice on the Mini!

[makinen_fan]

It's a bit unfortunate that the Spectator car park for Myherin only provides access to the most boring part of the stage. The best sections are the first 5-6kms from the start at 'Pikes Peak' and the first Wind Farm; and then the last 5-6kms at the second Wind Farm.

Both areas will involve a very long walk to reach from the Spectator car park though.

I have been to Myherin 2 times before, and I believe there are no more nice spots to spectate at. Is there an easy way to reach this two points you mention? Especialy the 'pikes peak' at the start? The second part you recomend is around 40min walk from car park but the first part is nearly unreachable.

[Mintexmemory]

Weather summary
Shakedown -Showers
Thursday - Drizzle at Llandudno. Showers generally
Friday- Showers
Saturday Possible showers, some sunny interval
Sunday - Dry

No chance of snow and very little difference between day and night temperatures (8-13deg range for whole event)

So take your waterproofs, but thermals may not be required !!

[Jamie Love]

Weather summary
Shakedown -Showers
Thursday - Drizzle at Llandudno. Showers generally
Friday- Showers
Saturday Possible showers, some sunny interval
Sunday - Dry

No chance of snow and very little difference between day and night temperatures (8-13deg range for whole event)

So take your waterproofs, but thermals may not be required !!

Am I the only one who rather likes the sound of rain at rally gb? It looks like the rally is going to be won by the skill of the driver then!

Also I am a Mikko Hirvonen fan, but I saw these and thought they were fairly well made, so I'll post them here!

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/317339_255878721128387_100001187840907_728165_5503 04824_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/297042_255910134458579_100001187840907_728238_2505 96613_n.jpg

[mm1]

Were those designed by N.O.T.?

[Langdale Forest]

Probably not, because there is no mention of 'sick dogs' or 'paper champion' anywhere on those pictures.

Any more pictures like that?

[Juha_Koo]

Also I am a Mikko Hirvonen fan, but I saw these and thought they were fairly well made, so I'll post them here!

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/317339_255878721128387_100001187840907_728165_5503 04824_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/297042_255910134458579_100001187840907_728238_2505 96613_n.jpg

Hahah :D Quite stupid, but somewhat funny.

[Rallyper]

Am I the only one who rather likes the sound of rain at rally gb? It looks like the rally is going to be won by the skill of the driver then!

Also I am a Mikko Hirvonen fan, but I saw these and thought they were fairly well made, so I'll post them here!


http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/297042_255910134458579_100001187840907_728238_2505 96613_n.jpg

Well, the last one was very funny!

But in comparison I dont think Miko is that slow...

[john_raschi-France]

Dear all,

I'm a new french member on this forum. Hirst of sorry my bad english level...

This is the first time I post a message even if I already read several really interesting information. My question is about the maps and access in the stage for the RAC. I will go to see this rally for the first time and I have to say that's really complicated to find a described stage maps and also to understand if we can acces in the stage by all the road or if it's really necessary to park ourselves into organisation's parking as I read?

Thanks a lot for your answers.

Jonathan

[Mintexmemory]

Dear all,

I'm a new french member on this forum. Hirst of sorry my bad english level...

This is the first time I post a message even if I already read several really interesting information. My question is about the maps and access in the stage for the RAC. I will go to see this rally for the first time and I have to say that's really complicated to find a described stage maps and also to understand if we can acces in the stage by all the road or if it's really necessary to park ourselves into organisation's parking as I read?

Thanks a lot for your answers.

Jonathan

The Google Earth maps on Planetmarcus are accurate and show not just the stage route but also the local public access roads which you can use in conjunction with the directions given on the event website. Unless you have very detailed local knowledge there is no alternative to using the organised car parks. In most cases if you attempt to park anywhere other that the official car parks your vehicle will be clamped or towed away.

[john_raschi-France]

Thank you,

I already checked the google earth map, and to be honest I'm not able to transfert them in google map... And it's also because I prefer to have a map instead of 3D view. But, anyway I have to say that google earth is really well done!!!

Thanks a lot for the parking. That's I supposed but it's always better to get confirmation...

Jonathan

[MartijnS]

You can upload the KML file to webspace and than open it in google maps by entering the URL in the locationfield.

[Priorat]

Hi, some questions to locals:
- Is it possible to go SS4 / 10 Gartheiniog from Dyfi East Car Park or it's completely forbidden?
- Is it possible to reach the first miles in Myherin through the start?. It seems it is only 1 mile away from A44.
My schedule, weather permitting, is to climb Snowdon on Thursday morning, then Clocaenog and Conwy Castle Start in the afternoon.

[Whinlatter]

Hi, some questions to locals:
- Is it possible to go SS4 / 10 Gartheiniog from Dyfi East Car Park or it's completely forbidden?
- Is it possible to reach the first miles in Myherin through the start?. It seems it is only 1 mile away from A44.
My schedule, weather permitting, is to climb Snowdon on Thursday morning, then Clocaenog and Conwy Castle Start in the afternoon.

I would think you could walk into Gartheiniog from Dyfi, but it's a fairly long walk and unless you had a specific corner in mind, you would probably find just as good places by simply walking further into Dyfi (East or West).

You can definitely walk into Myherin near the start, but the A44 is heavily policed and if you park in laybys or on the verges near the stage you will almost certainly get a parking ticket. If you are prepared to park several miles away and walk though, it is probably worthwhile as the start of the stage (known locally as Pikes Peak because of the wide, open uphill hairpins) is very spectacular.

[Fly_Half]

I have been to Myherin 2 times before, and I believe there are no more nice spots to spectate at. Is there an easy way to reach this two points you mention? Especialy the 'pikes peak' at the start? The second part you recomend is around 40min walk from car park but the first part is nearly unreachable.

The Pikes Peak section can be reached on foot from the A44, however it depends entirely on whether the Police close the laybys, otherwise there'll be nowhere to park.

The only way to reach the last section is via a minor road that leads into the mountains from Llangurig, which is closed off the night before.

[Co-driven]

The green color of Nobre is fitting nice on the Mini!

He just had his first test session with the Mini yesterday:

Treino WRC Wales 2011 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/31716683)

[ProRally]

He just had his first test session with the Mini yesterday:

Treino WRC Wales 2011 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/31716683)

Paolo having fun !! Living the dream....

[tolis]

He just had his first test session with the Mini yesterday:

Treino WRC Wales 2011 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/31716683)
Do you know if that's an one-off appearance with the MINI for Paulo?

[mousti]

Why has Paolo a mouth piece in ?

Btw Solberg said at an interview with IRally at the Recce, that he said it's very difficult to win a rally as a private team but the this week felt very different and good, they've done something with my car my engine was very fast :D :D

[dyfi1]

Anyone wants any tips i'm local so please ask away...

Cheers
Bryn


Hia Bryn, here`s hoping you can help me please. I`ll be approaching the Clocaenog stage from Cerrig direction and was wondering where car park `C` is along that road? I have a suspicion that it`s the forest entrance after climbing out of Lllanfihangel Glyn Myfyr but before the huge layby on the left.... about a mile or so after LGM. Am I right, or have I lost you lol? If anyone else understands where I`m asking about please feel free to advise, I`ll be most grateful.

Thanks
dyfi1

[Co-driven]

Do you know if that's an one-off appearance with the MINI for Paulo?

I don't know whether it will be a one-off or not. But, I think the chances are big that next year he'll be in some more events in a WRC. This year he contested a few events in an Evo X R4, and last year contested the PWRC.



Why has Paolo a mouth piece in ?

He uses that in order to protect his teeth. While driving, he presses them a lot and that must cause some damage.


And just for the record, his nickname here in Brazil is Palmeirinha, because he is a great supporter of the football team called Palmeiras. One of the reasons he didn't contest the PWRC this season was because he was one of the candidates for President of Palmeiras in the beginning of this year.

[tolis]

I don't know whether it will be a one-off or not. But, I think the chances are big that next year he'll be in some more events in a WRC. This year he contested a few events in an Evo X R4, and last year contested the PWRC.




He uses that in order to protect his teeth. While driving, he presses them a lot and that must cause some damage.


And just for the record, his nickname here in Brazil is Palmeirinha, because he is a great supporter of the football team called Palmeiras. One of the reasons he didn't contest the PWRC this season was because he was one of the candidates for President of Palmeiras in the beginning of this year.
He told me in June that he wanted to do either PWRC or SWRC next year. He also tried to persuade Al Attiyah to become a supporter of Palmeiras. :D
He is a very entertaining guy! :)

[mousti]

I don't know whether it will be a one-off or not. But, I think the chances are big that next year he'll be in some more events in a WRC. This year he contested a few events in an Evo X R4, and last year contested the PWRC.




He uses that in order to protect his teeth. While driving, he presses them a lot and that must cause some damage.


And just for the record, his nickname here in Brazil is Palmeirinha, because he is a great supporter of the football team called Palmeiras. One of the reasons he didn't contest the PWRC this season was because he was one of the candidates for President of Palmeiras in the beginning of this year.
Already thought about that, and it takes sense indeed. Btw when will the video released of Cataluny on Palmeirinha TV we were standing next to them on Shakedown there, great guys :D

[Fly_Half]

Having watched the local weather forecast this evening, I'd suggest those going to the Orme on Thursday pack their waterproofs.

[bretddog]

recce interviews


http:// (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuI8XwYLZ24&feature=channel_video_title)

[pettersolberg29]

For anyone with intense knowledge of Myherin could you send me a PM? I've never been to Myherin before as I normally stay in south Wales but with it moving north I'm, going for a Myherin then Halfway weekend. Just want information regarding the car parks and if possible co-ordinates for good spots so I can have a look on Google Earth. Cheers.

[6789]

recce interviews


http:// (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuI8XwYLZ24&feature=channel_video_title)
Interesting how Petter says his car felt different (engine) in pre event testing. Hope he goes well! :)

[Gregor-y]

He seems pretty chipper for the interview. I'll have to dig out my t-shirt with the pig on it.
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7562/pigm.jpg

[Gregor-y]

Solberg seems pretty chipper for the interview. I'll have to dig out my t-shirt with the pig on it.
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7562/pigm.jpg
Also Loeb seems to be referring to the broken engine from France as his fault.

[N.O.T]

[quote="Gregor-y"]

That is very encouraging to hear...

[tigerlily]

Hi all!

I can't find Rally Guide2 on the official website. I could find only Rally Guide1.
Does anyone know where I can download it?

[bretddog]

Also Loeb seems to be referring to the broken engine from France as his fault.

No he didn't say anything different from before.
He mention: puncture (Germany), mistake/ went off road (Australia), broke engine (France). Just a bit unclear sentence.

[Mintexmemory]

Hi all!

I can't find Rally Guide2 on the official website. I could find only Rally Guide1.
Does anyone know where I can download it?
Only available to competitors (password protected) as it contains info that MSA don't want fans to have :rolleyes: However I'm sure someone on this site may be able to PM you with details as people have ways round the system ;) .

:bounce: I'm off to Builth Wells in 5 hrs time and may visit the site occasionally over the next 5 days (if I can find a hot spot) hopefully to down load some photos.
Have a good time everyone that's going and if you see my battered Trophy Blue MG ZS180 give me a wave.

[sp0+]

C'mon guys!!! Give us the beat of the mother of battles that's going to happen!!!

[N.O.T]

what battle ??? Loeb just has to be 1 place below hirvonen.....

[sp0+]

It's a rally, you know...Anything can happen...Especially under pressure....And, believe me, the pressure is on for everybody, for different reasons though....

[N.O.T]

yes...but if pressure takes its toll on someone of the two then we will not have much of a battle either....

the rally will go according to the pace of Hirvonen.... and hirvonens pace throughout the year wasn't exactly something extraordinary that Loeb much push beyond his limits to follow.

[sp0+]

That's true, but we should bare in mind the difficult weather conditions that everyone is probably going to face, according to the forecasts...That makes things tricky....
Anyway, let's hope for an interesting rally....

[N.O.T]

Interesting will be for sure,

but not because of any kind of battle, just to see if Loeb will be able to finish without any problems....

[Plan9]

I don't know whether it will be a one-off or not. But, I think the chances are big that next year he'll be in some more events in a WRC. This year he contested a few events in an Evo X R4, and last year contested the PWRC.




He uses that in order to protect his teeth. While driving, he presses them a lot and that must cause some damage.


And just for the record, his nickname here in Brazil is Palmeirinha, because he is a great supporter of the football team called Palmeiras. One of the reasons he didn't contest the PWRC this season was because he was one of the candidates for President of Palmeiras in the beginning of this year.

Will he be part of the BWRT next year?

[Barreis]

Wales Rally GB 2011 | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=286898531332579&set=a.286432671379165.67331.125753050780462&type=1&theater)

[turves]

Latvala and Ogier will go off in front on their own, Loeb will sit one place behind Hirvonen, and then on the last stage Latvala will lose time to sit between Hirvonen and Loeb...

maybe.

[Co-driven]

Will he be part of the BWRT next year?

I don't think so...it could be a good option, as BWRT said earlier this year that they were looking to have 2 cars next year.

[N.O.T]

even if he does that its not enough if Hirvonen and Loeb are in places below the 2rd

[N.O.T]

Latvala and Ogier will go off in front on their own, Loeb will sit one place behind Hirvonen, and then on the last stage Latvala will lose time to sit between Hirvonen and Loeb...

maybe.

even if he does that its not enough if Hirvonen and Loeb are in places below the 2rd

[tigerlily]

Only available to competitors (password protected) as it contains info that MSA don't want fans to have :rolleyes: However I'm sure someone on this site may be able to PM you with details as people have ways round the system ;) .

:bounce: I'm off to Builth Wells in 5 hrs time and may visit the site occasionally over the next 5 days (if I can find a hot spot) hopefully to down load some photos.
Have a good time everyone that's going and if you see my battered Trophy Blue MG ZS180 give me a wave.

Thank you Mintexmemory!


This is my first time for Rally GB and surely it's a tough one ;)
Hope that all of us who come to this rally have great time!!

[Plan9]

I don't think so...it could be a good option, as BWRT said earlier this year that they were looking to have 2 cars next year.

That is good to hear. Maybe a few of the over looked gems could pay to do the odd event with Daniel. At least there will be 1 Mini next year. In the Mini thread their was a story that the official team will not do all the events next year either.

BTW, why did BWRT choose to use a Mini? They seem to have enough money to buy anything they wanted.

[mousti]

I think no cars where available anymore at Msport and Citroën at that time.

[tigerlily]

I'm thinking to go to Great Orme SS1 and after that go to the ceremonial start in Conwy.
They recommend to spectators to take Park and Ride car park system.
But what I'm worrying is the return bus from the stage depart at 16:00.
Do I make it in time for the ceremonial start starting at 18:00?

They also says that spectators will be able to park in a non-Rally organised car park on the Great Orme itself.
Is it better to park our car at a non-rally organised car park so that we don't have to wait the bus.
Does anyone know where the non-rally organised car park is?
Even I'm not sure if we can go out from the parking to Conwy before SS2 finishes. Is the road closed until all cars pass? :confused:

[Whinlatter]

I'm thinking to go to Great Orme SS1 and after that go to the ceremonial start in Conwy.
They recommend to spectators to take Park and Ride car park system.
But what I'm worrying is the return bus from the stage depart at 16:00.
Do I make it in time for the ceremonial start starting at 18:00?

They also says that spectators will be able to park in a non-Rally organised car park on the Great Orme itself.
Is it better to park our car at a non-rally organised car park so that we don't have to wait the bus.
Does anyone know where the non-rally organised car park is?
Even I'm not sure if we can go out from the parking to Conwy before SS2 finishes. Is the road closed until all cars pass? :confused:

Non-rally car park is on top of the Orme - probably in a field or on open grassland, and probably not very large. There's a steep road up from Llandudno town and it should be well signed, the roads will definitely be open for you to leave to get to Conwy, but I don't know how heavy the traffic will be.....

I wondered the same thing about the park and ride buses - I don't like the idea of depending on their timings to leave so I will probably try the non-rally carpark myself.

If you don't get out in time to get to the ceremonial start in Conwy, don't forget there is a remote service in Llandudno town centre from 18:25, with refuel and time control for parc ferme, so you should have opportunity to see the cars close up.

[euskalteam]

Hi guys, any shakedown news or times?

[AP-Racing]

Hi guys, any shakedown news or times?

Shake starting in 12 a.m in local time

[bluuford]

Hi guys, any shakedown news or times?

Shakedown starts at 12 according to the local time. So, nearly 2 hours to go

[MartijnS]

No, it started earlier. Have seen some pics on Twitter allready of cars in servicepark after they did a few runs, a Mini on the shakedown etc.

Twitter (http://twitter.com/?photo_id=1#!/GregSymes/status/134211203999342593/photo/1)

http://twitpic.com/7cd85n

We fly to the UK tomorrow morning :)

[jasonh1339]

Hi all i am hoping to go to sweet lamb but due to work commitments i wont be able to travel up the night before, i will be going up the morning of the rally i should get there around 7am. What i would like to know is do you think that will be cutting it to fine and the gates will be closed and i will end up getting turned away? i will also be buying my day ticket on the gate. I have one more question i will be going up in a bmw 330cd and its a little bit on the low side will i be able to get in and out of the car park with any problems?

Thanks in advance jason.. ;)

[wildboar]

Tweet from citroenracing:

SHAKEDOWN. The best times so far: 1. Ostberg and Meeke 1'31.2 - 3. Loeb 1'32.1 - 4. Sordo 1'32.2 - 5. @SebOgier (http://twitter.com/#%21/SebOgier) 1'32.5 #WRC (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WRC) #WalesRallyGB (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23WalesRallyGB)

[HarriK]

Seb Loeb did all 4 runs already. Also Ogier? .. so times are those?

[jasonh1339]

Hi big_sw2000. Im from port talbot south wales, i know this might sound like a stupid question if i could get up there the night before what time do the gates open? is that when you buy your day ticket for the following day? and as in my other post do you know if i could get in and out of the sweet lamb stage car park in my bmw 330cd its a bit on the low side, i havent modified it so its not stupid low..
Cheers jason

[AP-Racing]

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h381/EliseoGF/Sin20tC3ADtulo.jpg

[KKS]

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h381/EliseoGF/Sin20tC3ADtulo.jpg

can u post link for this page?

[AP-Racing]

can u post link for this page?

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h381/EliseoGF/Sin20tC3ADtulo.jpg

[Mirek]

Promissing time of Wiegand in shakedown considering he never drove anything stronger than R2 and even that only three times or so...

[Hartusvuori]

Interesting how many drivers did they their best time on the first run. That's rarely the case in shakedown. How are the conditions, prefering first runners?

[KKS]

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h381/EliseoGF/Sin20tC3ADtulo.jpg

it's screenshot link, can u give a link to original page?

[AP-Racing]

it's screenshot link, can u give a link to original page?

I don't have

[johunn]

it's screenshot link, can u give a link to original page?

Wales Rally GB Shakedown|Latest Posts in Results Blog (http://wrc.vm-motorsport.com/Results/tabid/249/PostID/108/Wales-Rally-GB-Shakedown.aspx)

[rallye-sport]

Shakedown photos ! Photos Rallye de Grande-Bretagne 2011 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-de-grande-bretagne-2011/)

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/grande-bretagne-2011/18.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/grande-bretagne-2011/34.jpg

All photos are online http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-de-grande-bretagne-2011/

[Whinlatter]

Hi all i am hoping to go to sweet lamb but due to work commitments i wont be able to travel up the night before, i will be going up the morning of the rally i should get there around 7am. What i would like to know is do you think that will be cutting it to fine and the gates will be closed and i will end up getting turned away? i will also be buying my day ticket on the gate. I have one more question i will be going up in a bmw 330cd and its a little bit on the low side will i be able to get in and out of the car park with any problems?

Thanks in advance jason.. ;)

Shouldn't be any problem - the car park area is very large with a number of smaller roads leading from it for overflow parking - can be a bit of a queue getting in but there's always plenty of room when you get there.

It can get muddy but on my last two visits (RGB last year and Mid Wales stages in March) it wasn't rough (or you could drive round the rough bits), so low ground clearance shouldn't be a problem. Be prepared for a long queue getting out though - took 40 minutes last year and I was on my toes as soon as the last car had gone through!

[Xsara Fan]

Photogallery: Evgeny Novikov / Ford Abu Dhabi World Rally Team (http://www.almrally.ru/novikov-photo/fotolist/?idgroup=22853)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_loeb_-_hirvonen_7ccab2bc5a.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_5c4ca26d51.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_5ccda796b2.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_3269802641.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/955/955_wales_rally_gb_2011_ae27b8543e.jpg

More photos from shake HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=955&fseason=2011)

[tolis]

Shakedown video: Wales Rally GB Shakedown - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDuGCoACQy8)

[Rallyper]

Shakedown video: Wales Rally GB Shakedown - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDuGCoACQy8)

I looked and I looked, but no Citroens...? :confused:

[gregwrc]

Here are the Shakedown times of the World Rally Car drivers:

=1. OSTBERG. Ford Fiesta RS WRC. 1:31.2
=1. MEEKE. MINI John Cooper Works WRC. 1:31.2
3. LOEB. Citroen DS3 WRC. 1:32.1
4. SORDO. MINI John Cooper Works WRC. 1:32.2
=5. OGIER. Citroen DS3 WRC. 1:32.5
=5. LATVALA. Ford Fiesta RS WRC. 1:32.5
=5. WILSON. Ford Fiesta RS WRC. 1:32.5
=8. HIRVONEN. Ford Fiesta RS WRC. 1:32.8
=8. RAIKKONEN. Citroen DS3 WRC. 1:32.8
10. BLOCK. Ford Fiesta RS WRC. 1:33.4
11. H. SOLBERG. Ford Fiesta RS WRC. 1:33.9
=12. KUIPERS. Ford Fiesta RS WRC. 1:34.4
=12. P. SOLBERG. Citroen DS3 WRC. 1:34.4
=12. PROKOP. Ford Fiesta RS WRC. 1:34.4
15. NOVIKOV. Ford Fiesta RS WRC. 1:34.7
16. TANAK. Ford Fiesta RS WRC. 1:34.8
17. ARAUJO. MINI John Cooper Works WRC. 1:35.2
(19). VAN MERKSTEIJN JR. Citroen DS3 WRC. 1:36.2
(23). OLIVEIRA. MINI John Cooper Works WRC. 1:39.3

[Fly_Half]

Had a very enjoyable morning at the Showground, plenty of passes and lots of action:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6115/6328634045_6e5446332d.jpg

Rhod

[Back-N-Black]

I'm a little confused. Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm just trying to get prepared for Thursday.

SS1 and SS2 is just running the same stage twice, right? According to the start times it doesn't seem like enough time.

SS1 14:38
SS2 14:55

That only leaves time for 5 runs if 3 minutes between cars. What am I missing?

[jasonh1339]

Shouldn't be any problem - the car park area is very large with a number of smaller roads leading from it for overflow parking - can be a bit of a queue getting in but there's always plenty of room when you get there.

It can get muddy but on my last two visits (RGB last year and Mid Wales stages in March) it wasn't rough (or you could drive round the rough bits), so low ground clearance shouldn't be a problem. Be prepared for a long queue getting out though - took 40 minutes last year and I was on my toes as soon as the last car had gone through!

Shamai(hello in welsh) whinlatter, thanks for the reply mate thats a big help. So i could buy tickets when i arrive on the gate? i normally buy a fully rally pass port but this year i can only manage a one day pass because of work. I didnt even think i could of gone for the one day at first so im well chuffed with just the one day :D

[wwbroe]

I'm a little confused. Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm just trying to get prepared for Thursday.

SS1 and SS2 is just running the same stage twice, right? According to the start times it doesn't seem like enough time.

SS1 14:38
SS2 14:55

That only leaves time for 5 runs if 3 minutes between cars. What am I missing?

The first 9 cars or so will start at two minutes interval, then probably they will start at 1 minute interval with the cars trough for first pass joining in between the later runners. At least that is how i think it will happen.

[janvanvurpa]

Hi Rally fans, does everybody entered get to do shakedown? I looked on the Wales Rally GB site and they had some times but it was 2009. I checked and the site said 2011, but times were 2009.
I'm looking for everybody including the 2wd Fiesta times.

Anybody have any linkies?

[Brother John]

Shakedown times 2011 Wales Rally GB Shakedown|Latest Posts in Results Blog (http://wrc.vm-motorsport.com/Results/tabid/249/PostID/108/Wales-Rally-GB-Shakedown.aspx)


Hi Rally fans, does everybody entered get to do shakedown? I looked on the Wales Rally GB site and they had some times but it was 2009. I checked and the site said 2011, but times were 2009.
I'm looking for everybody including the 2wd Fiesta times.

Anybody have any linkies?

[janvanvurpa]

Shakedown times 2011 Wales Rally GB Shakedown|Latest Posts in Results Blog (http://wrc.vm-motorsport.com/Results/tabid/249/PostID/108/Wales-Rally-GB-Shakedown.aspx)


So, only 34 entries? I thought there were more.....
Är det verkligt alla som är där?

[pantealex]

So, only 34 entries? I thought there were more.....
Är det verkligt alla som är där?

Only priority 1,2 and 3 can do shakedown!

[janvanvurpa]

Only priority 1,2 and 3 can do shakedown!

kiitos.
I'll just have to wait to see how ''the next big thing'' goes.

[PLuto]

The first 9 cars or so will start at two minutes interval, then probably they will start at 1 minute interval with the cars trough for first pass joining in between the later runners. At least that is how i think it will happen.

I am afraid it will be same stupidity as this year on Rally Scottland...

[PLuto]

Also some pictures from shakedown - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=12976)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/cb322dc93cdb17b64d519482239e6d77.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/35171826c272f33cf85531ca7829867b.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/ac8c6fe80aeb35cc1f36ca65464ccfb6.jpg

[dimviii]

Also some pictures from shakedown - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=12976)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/cb322dc93cdb17b64d519482239e6d77.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/35171826c272f33cf85531ca7829867b.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/ac8c6fe80aeb35cc1f36ca65464ccfb6.jpg

Nice photos! look at the front numbers plates of the cars.lolOnly Merkastejn ds3 has a small one number plate

[Francis44]

Im starting to realize the factory DS3's have an awfull livery, please Citroen change it next year, it's a beautifull car but this livery ruins it.

[mousti]

Nice photos! look at the front numbers plates of the cars.lolOnly Merkastejn ds3 has a small one number plate
And Petter

[tigerlily]

Non-rally car park is on top of the Orme - probably in a field or on open grassland, and probably not very large. There's a steep road up from Llandudno town and it should be well signed, the roads will definitely be open for you to leave to get to Conwy, but I don't know how heavy the traffic will be.....

I wondered the same thing about the park and ride buses - I don't like the idea of depending on their timings to leave so I will probably try the non-rally carpark myself.

If you don't get out in time to get to the ceremonial start in Conwy, don't forget there is a remote service in Llandudno town centre from 18:25, with refuel and time control for parc ferme, so you should have opportunity to see the cars close up.

Thank you so much Whinlatter!!
Then I'll try tomorrow and see what will happen.
This year's Rally GB is not so easy for spectators.
But I'll enjoy this rally and hope for everyone have a nice week :)

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-57j63wlqdM look at Tanak

[Brynmor Pierce]

Have an enjoyable and safe Rally Gb everyone.....off to Clocaenog tomorrow with a group of I think 12...so should be lots of banter !!

[noel157]

Nice photos! look at the front numbers plates of the cars.lolOnly Merkastejn ds3 has a small one number plate

Cops will notice, remember before, drivers were stopped.

[Plan9]

What has happened to Meeke? He won the shakedown but I can see on anywhere on the stages times....

[wildsir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-57j63wlqdM look at Tanak</p>


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[6789]

Another video from Shakedown - love the sounds of the DS3 at the start!

WRC Rally GB 2011 Shakedown Stage - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpd4h6bHofg&feature=feedlik)

[6789]

And another shakedown video

WRC Wales GB 2011 - Shakedown [HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vYmFSNjuj0&feature=youtu.be)

[AP-Racing]

Good morning everyone and good morning Britain :)

[darkstar]

What has happened to Meeke? He won the shakedown but I can see on anywhere on the stages times....

there are no stagetimes yet ;) first stage starts today at 14:38 local time.