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tolis
5th October 2011, 00:05
Only one month before the last round of IRC, Cyprus Rally. It takes place on 4-5 November. Entries are now open for the rally. Any news about who is going to be there?


Official website: Cyprus Rally 2011 - Cyprus Rally 2011 IRC Official Website (http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/2011/)
This year, there is also a Golden Stage on Sunday 6 November. More information : Cyprus Rally 2011 » Golden Stage (http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/2011/golden-stage/)

Bryan Bouffier, Freddy Loix and Juho Hanninen (maybe) should be there.
Burcu Cetinkaya is also confirmed in a Skoda Fabia S2000.
Leader of 2WD Cup, Italian Stefano Albertini will drive his Renault Clio R3.

mousti
5th October 2011, 00:08
If Neuville does a nice result this weekend in Scotland he'll probably be there at Cyprus!

Leon
5th October 2011, 06:35
I read somewhere that the two german guys with the Skoda should be there also.

I m very curious about what will be Loix performance because even in his dark Mitsubishi days in the WRC he managed to set very good times during the Cyprus rally.

wwbroe
5th October 2011, 08:22
Does somebody have more info about the stages, are they the same as last year? If there is anybody out there that has some decent maps or Google Earth file, please let me know. (or you can send me PM). Thanks in advance.

Mirek
5th October 2011, 12:58
Kopecký will be there definitely. Maybe several other Czech crews...

RS
5th October 2011, 15:28
Again good to have a better entry list than last year, the co-efficients seem to do the job even if I don't like them.

tolis
6th October 2011, 21:15
Itinerary and Maps: Cyprus Rally 2011 - Itinerary and Maps | Have fun in Cyprus! (http://www.cyprusandmore.com/2011/09/cyprus-rally-2011-itinerary-and-maps/)

wwbroe
6th October 2011, 21:27
Itinerary and Maps: Cyprus Rally 2011 - Itinerary and Maps | Have fun in Cyprus! (http://www.cyprusandmore.com/2011/09/cyprus-rally-2011-itinerary-and-maps/)

Thanks Tolis, but that maps are on official website also, their quality is really very poor.

tolis
7th October 2011, 23:01
Nasser Al Attiyah told me in June that he is invited to do the rally.

RS
8th October 2011, 07:06
Wilks will not be there.

Bence Magyar
9th October 2011, 21:30
Laszlo Vizin will be there with a newly built Subaru Impreza R4 and Janos Puskadi also will be there with his Honda. Maybe one more Hungarian crew but it is not confirmed yet.

Leon
10th October 2011, 06:16
WEATHER

Last year we did not have any rain in Cyprus until mid December so the stages were very hard, dry and dusty.
This year, especially in the area of the rally there was and still is a lot of raining. If the weather continuous like that it may end up as the muddy2002 WRC event.

Barreis
10th October 2011, 21:02
It will be good rally.

tolis
11th October 2011, 15:05
Patrik Sandell will drive his Fabia S2000 in Cyprus.

RS
11th October 2011, 22:00
All works Skodas going to Cyprus: MaxRally | News | Full house for Skoda in Cyprus (http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/full_house_for_skoda_in_cyprus/)

VFTS
11th October 2011, 23:43
...and rumours say that not any of the Peugeots will appear.

Mirek
12th October 2011, 00:36
There might be even more than four works cars of Škoda. We'll see...

tolis
12th October 2011, 00:53
There might be even more than four works cars of Škoda. We'll see...
I am thinking of Tarabus...Maybe.

pucky54
12th October 2011, 00:56
Skoda Deutschland cars will be there as well

tolis
12th October 2011, 01:30
So far:

Skoda Fabia S2000
Hanninen
Kopecky
Loix
Mikkelsen
Kahle
Wallenwein
Sandell
Cetinkaya

Impreza R4
Vizin

Renault Clio R3
Albertini

Honda Civic Type R R3
Puskadi

Any news about Proton?

mousti
12th October 2011, 01:58
I expect Loix fully for the win, the BFO weren't quite happy about how they got handled for Scotland and getting no car.

pucky54
12th October 2011, 02:01
Any news about Proton?

They will do APRC China this weekend!

RS
12th October 2011, 10:31
I am thinking of Tarabus...Maybe.

Kresta I suppose.

Can't believe that Peugeot would not go even though they still have a chance of the drivers title. Bouffier and Neuville have to be there!

RS
13th October 2011, 20:26
I wonder whether Skoda Motorsport will also enter their drivers for the Golden Stage Rally and what they would do with the prize money? I think they should carry the logos of some charity and donate any winnings to them! Either that or leave the Golden Stage to true privateers.

RS
13th October 2011, 21:09
... or maybe give 4/5 young and poorly funded drivers their cars for Golden Stage?

6789
13th October 2011, 22:46
^ I think that's probably being a little generous of them

noel157
13th October 2011, 23:52
I expect Loix fully for the win, the BFO weren't quite happy about how they got handled for Scotland and getting no car.

Who decided Loix would not do Scotland? I thought the BFO budget did not cover Scotland. Or was it Skoda Belgium?

Mirek
14th October 2011, 09:34
I think that the main reason was combination of two factors - no Scotland in original plans + crash in Sanremo. That resulted in no available car in that time. But that's just my guessing.

noel157
14th October 2011, 14:09
I think that the main reason was combination of two factors - no Scotland in original plans + crash in Sanremo. That resulted in no available car in that time. But that's just my guessing.

Of course, factor in his San Remo crash and things become clearer. Thanks Mirek.

mousti
14th October 2011, 18:29
Budget was there, it was not in plans official but it was in the plans when Loix would be in involved in the title run still.. Some found it ridiculous there could be no car found and think that was just to have Kopecky (or maybe Juho) get the title easier because of his father who's a big shareholder of Skoda..

Mirek
14th October 2011, 18:54
Budget was there, it was not in plans official but it was in the plans when Loix would be in involved in the title run still.. Some found it ridiculous there could be no car found and think that was just to have Kopecky (or maybe Juho) get the title easier because of his father who's a big shareholder of Skoda..

Sorry, but that is nonsense. Kopecký is no shareholder in Škoda. 100% owner of Škoda Auto is VW already for more than ten years. Josef Kopecký has much less influence in Škoda Motorsport than people think and the seat of his son is not granted at all.

dimviii
14th October 2011, 18:56
Sorry, but that is nonsense. Kopecký is no shareholder in Škoda. 100% owner of Škoda Auto is VW already more than ten years. Kopecký has much less influence in Škoda Motorsport than people think and the seat of his son is not granted at all.

Mirek whats the conection between father Kopecky and Skoda?

Mirek
14th October 2011, 19:01
I don't know exactly but officially just a technician of Jan's car (not main engineer who is Walter Illmer).

dimviii
14th October 2011, 19:09
I don't know exactly but officially just a technician of Jan's car (not main engineer who is Walter Illmer).
;) :D

mousti
14th October 2011, 20:51
Sorry, but that is nonsense. Kopecký is no shareholder in Škoda. 100% owner of Škoda Auto is VW already for more than ten years. Josef Kopecký has much less influence in Škoda Motorsport than people think and the seat of his son is not granted at all.
It's not me who told it :D

I didn't even had any bad feeling about this anyways, in East Belgian Rally some were complaining about Kopecky the Czech etc..(I understand them too also though) But there's nothing u can do about it anyways :-/ . U can't rewind the time :) . I hope Loix will do some impressive stuff in Cyprus go full throttle don't think on points because it's mathematically possible but very difficult. Loix knows how to drive on gravel like on Cyprus did the rally and drove Acropolis quite a few times. Now hoping that Neuville enters too would be ridiculous if not..

I'm always thinking positive, Mirek :D

Barreis
15th October 2011, 18:42
Old Kopecky is one of directors in Škoda Auto.

Mirek
15th October 2011, 22:45
Old Kopecky is one of directors in Škoda Auto.

No, he isn't. Why do You keep repeating such nonsense without at least a try to verify it? It's nothing secret...

urabus-denoS2000
15th October 2011, 23:32
People , you talk about stuff you don't know . Jan Kopecky didn't have a great season although he's fighting for the title , but that doesn't mean he suddenly became a "daddy driver"

tolis
16th October 2011, 21:45
Prize fund for Golden Stage revealed: IRC Intercontinental Rally Challenge (http://www.rally-irc.com/html/readnews.asp?id=3218)

liposh
17th October 2011, 11:17
Somebody was asking for good maps, so here are maps from Seppala´s websites: Cyprus Rally | Cyprus | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/country/Cyprus/rally/54/Cyprus-Rally)
Because the original maps were so **** nobody can quarantee the accuracy, but these maps are totally great anyway. ;) :)

RS
17th October 2011, 20:40
Al-Attiyah is going to Cyprus: http://www.rally-irc.com/html/readnews.asp?id=3219

tolis
17th October 2011, 20:53
So far:

Ford Fiesta S2000
Al Attiyah

Peugeot 207 S2000
T. Neuville
B.Bouffier?

Skoda Fabia S2000
Hanninen
Kopecky
Loix
Mikkelsen
Kahle
Wallenwein
Sandell
Cetinkaya

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo
C.Tingirides
M.Posidias
R.Feghali?

Impreza R4
Vizin
Arai
Nutahara?

Renault Clio R3
Albertini

Honda Civic Type R R3
Puskadi

mousti
18th October 2011, 18:30
Neuville is indeed sure ! :)

PLuto
19th October 2011, 01:09
Karl Kruuda will be there too, car isnt sure yet.

RS
21st October 2011, 10:39
Live tv coverage for Cyprus: http://www.ircseries.com/html/readnews.asp?id=3223

Good to see IRC expanding their reach to more channels worldwide as well.

havk
22nd October 2011, 07:54
According to http://www.autoklub.pl Bouffier will not start in Cyprus Rally.. For me it's absolutely strange, to leave last rally even there is still a chance for the title. And Bouffier was driving in Cyprus previous year which would give him some more chances. Absoulutely don't understand Peugeot decision. Pay for the whole season and just give up before the last rally it's really strange.. BTW The only drivers who have chances for the title and can score all points in Cyprus into final standings are Hanninen and Loix. They scored points in just 6 rallies.

[Madeira-Rally]
23rd October 2011, 00:47
very strange decision by Peugeot... maybe it will be another mistake of Mr. Quesnel

RS
24th October 2011, 15:43
MaxRally also reports that Bouffier won't be there: http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/bouffier_ruled_out_of_irc_title_fight/

A bit of sulking from Quesnel probably.

wwbroe
24th October 2011, 16:01
Apparently Thierry Neuville will be the only top Peugeot driver that will be in Cyprus, another strange decision by Peugeot if you ask me. :(

tolis
25th October 2011, 16:30
So far:

Ford Fiesta S2000
Al Attiyah

Peugeot 207 S2000
T. Neuville

Skoda Fabia S2000
Hanninen
Kopecky
Loix
Mikkelsen
Kahle
Wallenwein
Sandell
Cetinkaya

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo
C.Tingirides
P.Yiangou
S.Savva
D.Loucaides
M.Cavigioli

Impreza R4
L.Vizin
T.Arai

Renault Clio R3
Albertini
J-M. Raoux

Citroen DS3 R3T
H.Hunt

Honda Civic Type R R3
J.Puskadi
A.Charalambous
Z.Manoli

Suzuki Swift
D.Konstantinou

Do we expect any more Czechs?

Mirek
25th October 2011, 16:33
Looks like none more in the end...

I'll send You PM.

mousti
25th October 2011, 18:09
Wallenwein will not do Golden Stage , so I think that will be the same for Kahle too.

Hartusvuori
25th October 2011, 18:15
Tolis, is your list for a fact or those only that have been mentioned to go? Entries closed 21st, so I think should expect first draft on entry list soon.

tolis
25th October 2011, 18:21
@Hartusvuori
My list has names that are doing Rally Cyprus for sure. It's not official list and that doesn't mean that only 21 crews are going to appear. Also, don't expect very soon the entry list of the rally.

Hartusvuori
25th October 2011, 18:24
@Hartusvuori
My list has names that are doing Rally Cyprus for sure. It's not official list and that doesn't mean that only 21 crews are going to appear. Also, don't expect very soon the entry list of the rally.

Thanks. As one can guess, all I need to know with a degree of confidence is that Hänninen is there.

tolis
25th October 2011, 18:28
Thanks. As one can guess, all I need to know with a degree of confidence is that Hänninen is there.
According to a press release from the organisers, Juho will be there.
http://www.caa.com.cy/el/2011/10/20/irc-cyprus-rally-entries/

focus206
25th October 2011, 18:51
Apparently Thierry Neuville will be the only top Peugeot driver that will be in Cyprus, another strange decision by Peugeot if you ask me. :(

I really hoped to see Bouffier in Cyprus. I mean, even if his chances to win the championship are slim, he should be there! Peugeot really disappointed me this time.

tolis
25th October 2011, 23:11
Around 35 crews will start. Entry list will be published on Friday.

tolis
27th October 2011, 16:43
41 entries from 18 different countries. 16 crews from Cyprus. Entry list is supposed to be announced tomorrow.

So far:

Ford Fiesta S2000
Al Attiyah

Peugeot 207 S2000
T. Neuville
D.Loucaides

Skoda Fabia S2000
Hanninen
Kopecky
Loix
Mikkelsen
Kahle
Wallenwein
Sandell
Cetinkaya

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo
C.Tingirides
P.Yiangou
S.Savva
M.Cavigioli
N.Thomas
M.Patroklou


Impreza R4
L.Vizin
T.Arai

Renault Clio R3
Albertini
J-M. Raoux

Citroen DS3 R3T
H.Hunt

Honda Civic Type R R3
J.Puskadi
A.Charalambous
Z.Manoli

Suzuki Swift
D.Konstantinou

tolis
27th October 2011, 17:44
35 entries. Unseeded entry list published: http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/2011/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/cyprus-rally-2011-list-of-entries.pdf

makinen_fan
27th October 2011, 21:23
if you use facebook, add as friend Caa Rally Championship | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000701250474) , the organizers of Cyprus rally. they have some nice shots from rally cars arriving at Limassol port today

sete
28th October 2011, 18:25
according to IRC radio isnt start of J.Hanninen to Cyprus rally sure.

6789
29th October 2011, 00:55
iRally is talking about Juho having a flight to Cyprus but not a guranteed car yet, even though he's on the entry list. Maybe some mind games.

Edit - Just saw the post above, wasn't on my phone earlier. They would be crazy not to send Juho

focus206
29th October 2011, 01:07
Oh come on, Juho MUST be there!

Walach
29th October 2011, 10:46
iRally is talking about Juho having a flight to Cyprus but not a guranteed car yet, even though he's on the entry list. Maybe some mind games.

Edit - Just saw the post above, wasn't on my phone earlier. They would be crazy not to send Juho

Not sure if it is stupid or just Skoda Motorsport... hope it is only rumour!

mousti
29th October 2011, 14:42
Wow then I really even more hope that Neuville wins, because Skoda is now also acting stupid if they really do not send Juho. Instead of teamorders they don't want to Juho to start? :p haha

This comment is only valuable if it's really true they don't want to send him :D

Barreis
30th October 2011, 16:43
Manu Chao: Mentira - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-XHkDojhpU)

Mirek
31st October 2011, 10:59
Jan Kopecký will start with Pavel Dresler. Petr Starý is ill. I think it's no issue because Jan and Pavel did most of this years testing together.

Mirek
31st October 2011, 11:37
According to my info Juho is going to start.

makinen_fan
31st October 2011, 11:41
yes he will. i have seen some photos of his car at least from the service park

Mirek
31st October 2011, 11:51
Kopecký confirmed for Czech media that he will compete in Golden Stage.

mousti
31st October 2011, 15:32
yes he will. i have seen some photos of his car at least from the service park
He even already tested but still it was unsure, quite ridiculous..

Mirek
31st October 2011, 15:37
Who said it was unsure?

mousti
31st October 2011, 16:05
IRC Rally Radio said there would be a presser about this from Skoda today.. And with knowing they've quite reliable sources on this, I didn't doubt it could be true..

Mirek
31st October 2011, 16:07
I was just asking because I haven't seen any other source for that.

pettersolberg29
31st October 2011, 16:48
Juho confirmed to start 100%, just as expected.

mousti
31st October 2011, 16:49
Mirek u have to get facebook :p

The waiting is over, Skoda have announced that Juho Hanninen WILL drive in Cyprus! They just released this, so like u already said some hours ago he'll start finally atleast! :)

tolis
31st October 2011, 17:01
Gooooooooo Juho!!! :)

Mirek
31st October 2011, 17:08
Mirek u have to get facebook :p

Noo... :)

makinen_fan
31st October 2011, 17:18
Mirek u have to get facebook :p

The waiting is over, Skoda have announced that Juho Hanninen WILL drive in Cyprus! They just released this, so like u already said some hours ago he'll start finally atleast! :)


who posted that? skoda? i want to follow it in fb

mousti
31st October 2011, 17:55
IRC Rally Radio :)

@Mirek: it's the future :D social media is getting better and better and is for me already better than media on Paper :D

Mirek
31st October 2011, 18:23
I actually enjoy living in the past in this case ;)

Sorry everyone for off topic...

focus206
31st October 2011, 19:01
Mirek u have to get facebook :p

The waiting is over, Skoda have announced that Juho Hanninen WILL drive in Cyprus! They just released this, so like u already said some hours ago he'll start finally atleast! :)


YES!!! Great news :)

mousti
31st October 2011, 20:08
Haha Mirek, I respect your choice in that :) .

So Juho main favorite for title, or do u think if it's able to get Kopecky the title with teamorders, they'll do it or not? :)

gtimad73
31st October 2011, 20:11
great news. we'll get a true champion and not a manufacture champion. as long as skoda don't pull team orders

Hartusvuori
31st October 2011, 20:24
great news. we'll get a true champion and not a manufacture champion. as long as skoda don't pull team orders

If Skoda would've pulled the plug for Juho, I would have said that Mikkelsen is the main title contender. But now it'll be decided by racing. I wish the main competitors would run trouble-free.

dimviii
31st October 2011, 20:41
i expect Mikkelsen to be faster crew in Cyprus.

mousti
31st October 2011, 20:56
Faster maybe but without problems at the finish line too?

Hartusvuori
31st October 2011, 20:56
i expect Mikkelsen to be faster crew in Cyprus.

Concidering his late performances, that could be the case very well. Still, Juho could settle for third if Mikkelsen wins and still take the title. But it's a rough event, not a joyride.

Barreis
31st October 2011, 21:46
Expect Kopecky will go for it.

dimviii
31st October 2011, 22:13
Faster maybe but without problems at the finish line too?

Difficult in Cyprus.Traditionally has a lot of retirements this rally.Lets hope to have fight till last stage.

dimviii
31st October 2011, 22:15
Expect Kopecky will go for it.
Expect to be slower from Neuville.

Hartusvuori
1st November 2011, 09:41
Just a reminder, but here's the points table (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m1Xsl7HBFb8/TpKdIvdy7PI/AAAAAAAAAAs/yQ3eQds5SaU/s1280/Pre-Cyprus%252520IRC%2525202011-1.jpg) I made few weeks back with how each drivers would score after Cyprus. If you see any mistakes, notify me.

Honza H.
1st November 2011, 12:13
Jan Kopecký will start with Pavel Dresler. Petr Starý is ill. I think it's no issue because Jan and Pavel did most of this years testing together.

What do you mean Mirek - have Jan and Pavel been testing throughout the whole season or just now before Cyprus?

PLuto
1st November 2011, 12:20
Whole season...

liposh
1st November 2011, 13:22
Is there somebody from the really top drivers who wouldn´t compete on Sunday on Golden stage? The organizers haven´t published the entry list yet.

makinen_fan
1st November 2011, 15:48
DOKIMASTIKA 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35QyTPkqvh0&feature=uploademail)

some footage from testing in cyprus. skoda testing towards the end of the vid

tolis
3rd November 2011, 12:18
Patrik Sandell will also do Golden Stage. Harry Hunt won't take part in Golden Stage, because he has to fly back to GB in order to prepare for Wales Rally.
Don't forget the rally starts today with LTV SSS (3.20 km)
Itinerary dat 1 here:http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/2011/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/CYPRUS_RALLY_2011_Itinerary_Day_1.pdf

liposh
3rd November 2011, 13:36
Hey, Cyprus boys, is it possible to see LTV1 live stream (free) somewhere on the net? ;-) Many thanks in advance

makinen_fan
3rd November 2011, 13:42
yes they do but unfortunately the show only football games :(
isn't shown live in eurosport as well?

liposh
3rd November 2011, 13:44
I mean today ceremonial start and SS1, it would be at 18:45 on LTV1...and then at 22:00 on LTV sport

Sulland
3rd November 2011, 13:46
Is it shakedown in Cyprus?

OldF
3rd November 2011, 14:29
Looking at the itinerary (http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/2011/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Cyprus-Rally-2011-itinerary.pdf) it’s almost 50/50 gravel (51,6% = 96,74 km) and tarmac (48,4% = 90,84 km). This favour all surface drivers.

makinen_fan
3rd November 2011, 14:38
Is it shakedown in Cyprus?

as far as i know, there is not. does are rounds of irc have one?

makinen_fan
3rd November 2011, 14:40
I mean today ceremonial start and SS1, it would be at 18:45 on LTV1...and then at 22:00 on LTV sport

yes you are correct, only LTV will show it. i know someone that intents to record it and post it on youtube. if he does i ll post the link here

Mirek
3rd November 2011, 14:46
as far as i know, there is not. does are rounds of irc have one?

It's up to organizers, some rallies have it, some not.

PLuto
3rd November 2011, 14:46
as far as i know, there is not. does are rounds of irc have one?

It is not compulsory to have shakedown, but most of the events has it. Rally Cyprus is without shakedown.

mousti
3rd November 2011, 17:31
Looking at the itinerary (http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/2011/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Cyprus-Rally-2011-itinerary.pdf) it’s almost 50/50 gravel (51,6% = 96,74 km) and tarmac (48,4% = 90,84 km). This favour all surface drivers.
It will be also a strategy play to do good with the tires, they'll use probably the whole rally with gravel tires so these tires will have a hard job to do on all those tarmac roads. Would there be crews that would put some sort of tarmac tires as a spare in the car? So they can use it in stages where tarmac is most superior? Or just 2 spare gravel tyres?

Blesk
3rd November 2011, 17:32
Maybe there will be a TV broadcast but it is still offline. Lumiere TV - Cyprus Television | TV Online - Watch TV Live & Free Channels Broadcasting on the Internet (http://www.tv14.net/lumiere-tv/)

PLuto
3rd November 2011, 17:32
Start list into leg one - Cyprus Rally 2011 - Start order - leg 1 - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2011/cyprus-rally-2011/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=167)

wwbroe
3rd November 2011, 18:00
So, first stage of the rally should be live, no?

wwbroe
3rd November 2011, 18:04
Nasser is trough and setting a reference time off 3.01.0

wwbroe
3rd November 2011, 18:08
Wowh, Kopecky is 8.8 faster trough as Nasser, some pace from Jan.

wwbroe
3rd November 2011, 18:13
Juho fastest trough untill now. ;) (0.2 faster as Jan)

hari
3rd November 2011, 18:14
They could use asphalt tires on a stage completely on asphalt. But if there's even only 1% gravel, they need gravel tyres... Cyprus is too rough, I think everyone will drive on gravel tyres. The question about strategy is more about who will save their tyres on the asphalt parts/stages to start the gravel parts/stages in a better condition...

According to Bulletin No.1 the use of tarmac tires is not allowed.
http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/2011/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/bulletin-no-1.pdf

wwbroe
3rd November 2011, 18:17
That is exactly what i was thinking also, but i guess they did some donuts to wear them a little bit. (i mean the gravel tyres)

wwbroe
3rd November 2011, 18:19
Mikkelsen taking besttime away from Hanninen, another 3,1 sec faster.

wwbroe
3rd November 2011, 18:27
Actually Mikkelsen is being a complete second a kilometer faster as all the rest. That is one hell of an opening time i must say.

Mirek
3rd November 2011, 18:30
I expect Andreas to be fastest on most stages. I don't know if he can make it till the winning finish but let's see.

focus206
3rd November 2011, 18:33
(8 - Sandell Patrik / Parmander Staffan): The stage was OK, but I was driving like sh*t. I didn't find the rhytm today.

:D

mousti
3rd November 2011, 19:03
I expect Andreas to be fastest on most stages. I don't know if he can make it till the winning finish but let's see.
Same thought.

focus206
3rd November 2011, 21:21
I see nice time by Arai on SS1 :)

Question: who would be the "virtual" champion with the classification of SS1?

pablichor
3rd November 2011, 21:52
I see nice time by Arai on SS1 :)

Question: who would be the "virtual" champion with the classification of SS1?

Hänninen wins automatically if he ends 1st or 2nd (if Kopecký not win, but his pace on gravel... :dozey :) , from there begin the combinations

focus206
3rd November 2011, 22:06
Hänninen wins automatically if he ends 1st or 2nd (if Kopecký not win, but his pace on gravel... :dozey :) , from there begin the combinations

Thanks :)

mousti
3rd November 2011, 22:24
Calculated by a friend :

1 Hanninen 161
2 Mikkelsen 153.5
3 Kopecky 146
4 Neuville and Loix 127

tolis
4th November 2011, 00:35
Some pics from SSS:
View image: IMG 2161 (http://postimage.org/image/xfd1uy8p7/)
View image: IMG 2199 (http://postimage.org/image/n9e0nodyv/)
View image: IMG 2211 (http://postimage.org/image/m28w2prpn/)
View image: IMG 2222 (http://postimage.org/image/skio455nt/)
Also here: http://www.rally-irc.com/html/Gallery_Details.asp?nome=Cyprus%20Rally%202011&id=42

mousti
4th November 2011, 02:19
Great video from Colin Clark at the Recce ! :)

Voice of Rally
4th November 2011, 07:28
Thanks Mousti, glad you enjoyed it! Here’s the link for anyone else that has a spare 19mins today!

IRC Cyprus 2011 - iRally meets the drivers at recce - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQUYatPu8NA&feature=channel_video_title)

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 08:54
So it's less than hour until first proper stage starts. I'll keep my fingers tightly crossed for a certain farmer's son from an outbound Eastern Finland town.

dyfi1
4th November 2011, 09:12
Great video from Colin Clark at the Recce ! :)


:up: :up: :up:

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 09:44
First real "proper" stage of the rally will be live soon, i am waiting with patience to see what the time differences will be.

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 10:05
Neuville started the stage two extra minutes after his frontrunner, so i guess he takes 20 sec penalty?

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 10:08
Hanninen rolled ? :confused: :eek: :confused:

RS
4th November 2011, 10:12
Great video from Colin Clark at the Recce ! :)

Indeed, nice to see the drivers in a bit more relaxed state.

Noticed only people using their own brand as recce cars were the Skoda boys :)

hari
4th November 2011, 10:13
On the Tracking Website Hänninen is shown on the map as stopped about 400m into the stage.

RS
4th November 2011, 10:14
It sounds as if Juho is indeed out... hope the crew is ok. That will certainly mix up the championship battle.

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 10:15
Yes, apparently he rolled in second corner of the stage.

6789
4th November 2011, 10:16
Team confirmed that Hanninen is out, second corner of the stage

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 10:16
Good time for Neuville, he started two minutes later because they saw the roll of Juho and officials hold him at startline.

Mirek
4th November 2011, 10:17
What a stupid end of season for Juho... :(

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 10:18
Mikkelsen fastest trough now, another 3.5 sec faster as Thierry.

dimviii
4th November 2011, 10:19
(4 - Neuville Thierry / Gilsoul Nicolas): Juho went off in the second corner, no chance to get back on the road. I'm sorry for him. For us the stage was OK.

Hanninens suicide. Tragic error for his level...

pete c
4th November 2011, 10:19
oops.......

RS
4th November 2011, 10:19
What a stupid end of season for Juho... :(

He has been a little error prone this year. He impressed me more in 2010 despite his sWRC win this year. Hope they can fix the car for Golden Stage.

mm1
4th November 2011, 10:22
Super disapointed, I think it might have an effect on his possible future works seat.

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 10:24
What a stupid end of season for Juho... :(

For sure that is true, in same time it puts now a lot of pressure on Kopecky.

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 10:25
Very poor time for Freddy i must say. :(

focus206
4th November 2011, 10:26
Too bad for Hanninen, it would have been a great battle :(

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 10:32
Gutted.

I'm quite sure that Mikkelsen when crashing on the barrier 20 seconds into Monte Carlo didn't believe his going to take the title. But then again, it's apparently better to crash on the first event than on the last. I'm hugely dissappointed for Juho, but also happy if Mikkelsen takes this home, he has shown huge progress and potential on the latter half of the season. I hope however that this isn't the last of Juho we see, even if he's already grumpy old man, he should have future in the sport.

6789
4th November 2011, 10:45
Andreas wins the rally and he should win the championship?

Mirek
4th November 2011, 10:48
That itself is not enough. It depends also on Kopecký I think.

RS
4th November 2011, 10:49
I hope however that this isn't the last of Juho we see, even if he's already grumpy old man, he should have future in the sport.

I agree. I still think he has more potential than Hirvonen even if Juho is old man relatively speaking...

VFTS
4th November 2011, 10:53
That itself is not enough. It depends also on Kopecký I think.

Kopecky must win the event, he cant be second in the event if Mikkelsen wins.

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 10:54
That itself is not enough. It depends also on Kopecký I think.

If Mikkelsen wins, he takes the title. If Kopecky comes second, he looses the title by 1,5 points. See (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m1Xsl7HBFb8/TpKdIvdy7PI/AAAAAAAAAAs/yQ3eQds5SaU/s1280/Pre-Cyprus%252520IRC%2525202011-1.jpg).

RS
4th November 2011, 10:54
That itself is not enough. It depends also on Kopecký I think.

I think it is... Juho would be the only one who could stop him if Andreas wins. He would have 153.5 points and if Jan came second he would have 152.

focus206
4th November 2011, 10:58
If I'm right, whoever wins the rally (Mikkelsen, Kopecky or Neuville) takes the title, no matter what the other 2 do. Someone can confirm it?

tolis
4th November 2011, 10:58
Don't forget the live stage now!
MyPremium.TV (http://mypremium.tv/) and click on Eurosport in the right.

tolis
4th November 2011, 11:00
also here: Watch Live IRC Rally Cyprus Online Video IRC Rally - Motorsports (http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-2/12/48/v-324806.html)

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 11:00
I am going to watch the live coverage of stage 3 on Eurosport now. :D

RS
4th November 2011, 11:05
If I'm right, whoever wins the rally (Mikkelsen, Kopecky or Neuville) takes the title, no matter what the other 2 do. Someone can confirm it?

That is correct. And you can add Loix to this list. That sets up the battle pretty well!

Mirek
4th November 2011, 11:05
I think it is... Juho would be the only one who could stop him if Andreas wins. He would have 153.5 points and if Jan came second he would have 152.

I stand corrected, thanks.

mm1
4th November 2011, 11:13
Superb shots on live TV

RS
4th November 2011, 11:17
Nice driving by Sandell. Shame Juho is out, he is great in conditions with questionable grip (Monte)

MartijnS
4th November 2011, 11:24
Woooow, big moment of Mikkelsen!

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 11:24
Mikkelsen spun. No drama. That must've been a call for "take it easy now".

focus206
4th November 2011, 11:25
Incredible Mikkelsen! Big risk! :eek: :D

MartijnS
4th November 2011, 11:29
Hehe, nice interview with Kruuda :D

uranium
4th November 2011, 11:29
Live streaming without sound? Or it is just me so lucky ;)

RS
4th November 2011, 11:34
So it looks like the championship battle will be between Mikkelsen and Neuville, and Kopecky will win it if those two run into trouble!

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 11:39
Great time for Neuville, Mikkelsen was loosing about 10 secs with his off i suppose, so should be pretty close between those two.

focus206
4th November 2011, 11:40
Which stages are under live coverage?

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 11:45
Which stages are under live coverage?

Today it is second and fourth stage of today. Also tomorrow they show two stages live and on sunday they will show golden stage also live.

rage82
4th November 2011, 11:48
The 5-th stage Salamiou 2 will be live on TV at 15:10 CET

HaCo
4th November 2011, 11:54
Big smile on my face :D

focus206
4th November 2011, 12:00
Today it is second and fourth stage of today. Also tomorrow they show two stages live and on sunday they will show golden stage also live.

Thanks :)

tolis
4th November 2011, 12:16
Service Park video: 2011 Cyprus Rally Service Park - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyj2M-eeKrw)
SSS video:Cyprus Rally IRC 2011.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alnpTmFa6IU)

Tom206wrc
4th November 2011, 13:42
Mmmmh...glad to see Neuville in the lead !!! :)
I admit I didn't expect that from him on this rough event...

Tom206wrc
4th November 2011, 13:46
If I'm right, whoever wins the rally (Mikkelsen, Kopecky or Neuville) takes the title, no matter what the other 2 do. Someone can confirm it?


So go Thierry, GOOOOOO :bounce:

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 13:53
SS4 is live.

Has anyone seen any pictures or video material on Hänninen's off?

I still feel gutted, but this is motorsport - better get used to it.

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 13:59
Looks like Arai is in trouble, being overtaken by two other cars.

PLuto
4th November 2011, 14:00
Looks like Arai is in trouble, being overtaken by two other cars.

Dont be afraid, GPS tracking system is only without signal...

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 14:03
Dont be afraid, GPS tracking system is only without signal...

Ok, thanks Pluto for the info ;)

RS
4th November 2011, 14:04
Juho will restart tomorrow under superrally.

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 14:04
Hänninen on rally radio
- too optimistic with grip and too fast on the first proper corner
- rear arm broken

noel157
4th November 2011, 14:04
Can't see Neuville holding off Mikkelsen on the gravel. Long way to go.

pucky54
4th November 2011, 14:06
Can't see Neuville holding off Mikkelsen on the gravel. Long way to go.

But on the tarmac ;)

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 14:09
But on the tarmac ;)

Mikkelsen isn't exactly slow on tarmac. Hope it'll be fair.

Neuville stopped or yet again signal prob?

PLuto
4th November 2011, 14:09
Thierry stopped...

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 14:09
Problem for Neuville???

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 14:11
Seems this rally is over before it properly began. Shame for Thierry's effort. Now let's see if Mikkelsen can hold it. Cyprus stages are rough as expected.

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 14:14
What the f..ck is going on with the gps-dots?

makinen_fan
4th November 2011, 14:15
is Neuville out or just gps prob?

PLuto
4th November 2011, 14:17
If it will be GPS problem, I will write it is GPS problem ;)

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 14:17
Mikkelsen trough with the booth open?

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 14:18
Mikkelsen trough with the booth open?

He's been biting the dust.

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 14:19
What a time for Andreas, he is really flying, he is probably using the open booth as an extra spoiler to get some more ground force.... :D

PLuto
4th November 2011, 14:19
But Thierry continues now, I think maybe puncture?

makinen_fan
4th November 2011, 14:23
Thierry is in the stage, car ok

wwbroe
4th November 2011, 14:25
Great time also for Nasser, he is only 18 sec behind Andreas overall, so if hecan play some role in the decision for the championship?

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 14:25
Nasser is Mikkelsen's biggest threat. If Nasser wins, Kopecky got to be only 4th to take the title by 0,5 points.

focus206
4th November 2011, 14:26
Puncture for Neuville... too bad :mad: :(

ZequeArgentina
4th November 2011, 14:28
Nasser is doing reallu well, more if we consider he said he has been havin problems with one driveshaflt in SS2 and 3 and only now is repaired!

makinen_fan
4th November 2011, 14:30
remember that nasser knows these roads really well, he has won the troodos rally several times (8,9 i think) and the last two year it uses these roads. so everybody has to count him as a real threat to andreas

dimviii
4th November 2011, 14:37
Kopecky ultra lucky this year(till now)

makinen_fan
4th November 2011, 14:42
Neuville out of the rally on road the section between stage 4 and 5!!!! With electric problems.

in facebook by irally

RS
4th November 2011, 14:46
Neuville out of the rally on road the section between stage 4 and 5!!!! With electric problems.

in facebook by irally

Altenator seems to be a weak point on the 207.

pettersolberg29
4th November 2011, 14:49
Neuville and Hanninen with problems - the heavens are desperate for Mikkelsen to win this! Come on Andreas! :)

pucky54
4th November 2011, 14:50
Altenator seems to be a weak point on the 207.

For years already!!!!

dimviii
4th November 2011, 14:55
Neuville and Hanninen with problems - the heavens are desperate for Mikkelsen to win this! Come on Andreas! :)

Don t underestimate Kopeckys luck.lol

skarderud
4th November 2011, 15:09
Go Andreas!!!!!

noel157
4th November 2011, 15:12
Eurosport, buy or rent a decent chopper.

ZequeArgentina
4th November 2011, 15:16
Even Loix can win this title!!!

noel157
4th November 2011, 15:16
Found some fuel for it, good news.

focus206
4th November 2011, 15:17
So with Hanninen and Neuville out... now we have Andreas in 1st, Kopecky in 3rd and Loix in 4th to fight for the title. But we have Al Attiyah in 2nd as a dangerous outsider, it's going to be interesting.

mousti
4th November 2011, 15:18
Indeed, nice to see the drivers in a bit more relaxed state.

Noticed only people using their own brand as recce cars were the Skoda boys :)
Yes indeed. The whole season they drive with that station wagon for recce. By PSA no problem it seems, Neuville in the Impreza and I think he uses that for every rally, in the WRC it are Lancers.

This sucks! Neuville :(

But I think with the pace he showed here Peugeot Belux must be very satisfied now and probably give him a nice season package for next year! And maybe like Mikkelsen this year he can learn in French Gravel Championship?

focus206
4th November 2011, 15:19
Spin for Kruuda without damage...

RS
4th November 2011, 15:36
Eurosport, buy or rent a decent chopper.

What is wrong with it?

noel157
4th November 2011, 15:40
What is wrong with it?

It wouldn't start. They finally got it going, maybe 15 mins late so not too bad.

RS
4th November 2011, 15:44
It wouldn't start. They finally got it going, maybe 15 mins late so not too bad.

Maybe it is running a Peugeot electrical system..

MartijnS
4th November 2011, 15:45
Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/thierryneuville/status/132463734215032832)

pete c
4th November 2011, 15:49
Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/thierryneuville/status/132463734215032832)


about says it all really......

RS
4th November 2011, 15:50
Don t underestimate Kopeckys luck.lol

Kopecky doesn't quite have the 'bite' of Mikkelsen, Hanninen or Neuville but he is a decent rally driver. It's not like he is running rallies minutes off the pace and lucking into podiums and wins.

I am evil Homer
4th November 2011, 15:52
Unlucky for Neuville...the 207 is approaching the end of it's useful life it seems.

RS
4th November 2011, 15:59
Unlucky for Neuville...the 207 is approaching the end of it's useful life it seems.

The car is still fast enough; I don't think this retirement has anything to do with the age of the car.

dimviii
4th November 2011, 16:01
Nasser is doing reallu well, more if we consider he said he has been havin problems with one driveshaflt in SS2 and 3 and only now is repaired!

finally it wasn t driveshaft,but changed the preload at front diff.

dimviii
4th November 2011, 16:03
Kopecky doesn't quite have the 'bite' of Mikkelsen, Hanninen or Neuville but he is a decent rally driver. It's not like he is running rallies minutes off the pace and lucking into podiums and wins.
he is decent in tarmac.In gravel he needs work.

RS
4th November 2011, 16:10
he is decent in tarmac.In gravel he needs work.

Indeed, but you are comparing against some of the quickest young gravel drivers (Mikkelsen&Hanninen) who have driven many more miles on gravel this year. Neuville is kind of exceptional and I am sure will fight for the title again next year.

Jan's times have been muich better here than in Scotland.

dimviii
4th November 2011, 16:32
Indeed, but you are comparing against some of the quickest young gravel drivers (Mikkelsen&Hanninen) who have driven many more miles on gravel this year. Neuville is kind of exceptional and I am sure will fight for the title again next year.

Jan's times have been muich better here than in Scotland.

Kopecky is a works driver,and a championship contenter.We HAVE to compare against Neuville,Hanninen,Mikkelsen.Neuville is not the only exception.Look at Mikkelsens pace at asphalt where he is not familiar.Look at Juhos pace at asphalt.I don t mention Tanaks pace in asphalt cause in wrc.
As you see there are plenty of drivers that while there are not faliliar with tarmac/gravel they are fast out of the box in a ''new'' surface,and without the thousants of km testing(and unlimited budget) of a factory driver.

Mirek
4th November 2011, 17:08
Kopecký virtually achieved his maximum already few years a go and since then he only keeps on same level. He isn't bad but he can't get better. The other mentioned guys still have a space for improvement and that makes them better although more accident prone.

Mirek
4th November 2011, 17:10
Juho will restart tomorrow.

dimviii
4th November 2011, 17:26
Kopecký virtually achieved his maximum already few years a go and since then he only keeps on same level. He isn't bad but he can't get better. The other mentioned guys still have a space for improvement and that makes them better although more accident prone.

Agree.Same situation as Prokop.You can t see any progress.

RS
4th November 2011, 17:30
Jan is a bit like IRCs version of Mikko Hirvonen. Capable but not really champion material under "normal" circumstances. Now we find the same situation heading into the WRC finale, although I would find it a bit more extreme if Mikko were to win that one.

mousti
4th November 2011, 17:37
Kopecky is a works driver,and a championship contenter.We HAVE to compare against Neuville,Hanninen,Mikkelsen.Neuville is not the only exception.Look at Mikkelsens pace at asphalt where he is not familiar.Look at Juhos pace at asphalt.I don t mention Tanaks pace in asphalt cause in wrc.
As you see there are plenty of drivers that while there are not faliliar with tarmac/gravel they are fast out of the box in a ''new'' surface,and without the thousants of km testing(and unlimited budget) of a factory driver.
Mikkelsen has done alot of Asphalt this year, Neuville didn't have any mileage this year on gravel.

makinen_fan
4th November 2011, 18:00
a friend told me that he has seen neuville returning to the Pafos service driving the 207, presumably he was able to fix it, such a shame he is out already...

dimviii
4th November 2011, 18:08
Mikkelsen has done alot of Asphalt this year, Neuville didn't have any mileage this year on gravel.

So Mikkelsen wasn t fast at his first tarmac event?

mousti
4th November 2011, 18:39
Mikkelsen experience on asphalt before this year is quite more then Neuville had gravel experience before this year. Btw he crashed his first tarmac event this year :p after a KM or so . Mikkelsen has a longer career then Neuville already, so comparing experience is a bit difficult. But that doesn't take away he's still a young gun like Thierry :)

Makinen_fan: He even finished the stage, probably not good enough to do another full throttle I think :(

dimviii
4th November 2011, 18:49
Mikkelsen experience on asphalt before this year is quite more then Neuville had gravel experience before this year. Btw he crashed his first tarmac event this year :p after a KM or so . Mikkelsen has a longer career then Neuville already, so comparing experience is a bit difficult. But that doesn't take away he's still a young gun like Thierry :)

Makinen_fan: He even finished the stage, probably not good enough to do another full throttle I think :(

i didn t say if Mikkelsen in tarmac had more experience than from Neuville in gravel.I said that mikkelsen was fast in new surface out of the box.Something Kopecky lacks in gravel.

mousti
4th November 2011, 19:13
I wasn't talking about Kopecky :p . But I think that our oppinions are a bit different but have the same thought though :) . And Can't wait for the Golden stage maybe a battle between Mikkelsen and Neuville. Thierry will probably get some more rhythm on gravel tomorrow :)

Sulland
4th November 2011, 19:36
Altenator seems to be a weak point on the 207.

What seems to be the problem with them, and why?

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 19:41
Mikkelsen wasn't fast driver on any surface out of the box. This is his more or less 5th or 6th season on international level. He has always shown the promise, but to my opinion not until this last half of the IRC season has he come to a level where he can keep the winning speed and win with it. He still makes odd mistake here and there, but it's less frequently.

What's good about Mikkelsen's speed could be said about Neuville's tarmac pace too: very quick, very promising, but a bit more accident prone. The little what I've seen of him live last year and this year, there's monumental change. Last year he was more all over the place, now far more focused and faster. There's still a lot of potential in Neuville, and hopefully well-supported seasons ahead.

PLuto
4th November 2011, 19:47
Starting list into second leg - Cyprus Rally 2011 - Start order - leg 2 - Rally-Base (http://rally-base.com/2011/cyprus-rally-2011/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=168)

PLuto
4th November 2011, 20:13
Photos from Cyprus Rally - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=12954)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/0758679f95d60463d648cb78d0533605.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/c1072ce9210bcd2b4f522eb96fd2c15a.jpg

dimviii
4th November 2011, 20:18
Mikkelsen wasn't fast driver on any surface out of the box. This is his more or less 5th or 6th season on international level. He has always shown the promise, but to my opinion not until this last half of the IRC season has he come to a level where he can keep the winning speed and win with it. He still makes odd mistake here and there, but it's less frequently.
.
he was fast at gravel ,snow even at 16 years old with a wrc car at rallies with good competition.At tarmac he wasn t at the same level,but i straggle to find a faster one, at his age with a wrc.Can you find a faster?

mousti
4th November 2011, 20:26
About struggling to find a faster one with a wrc at that age is very difficult because only a few a very few got his chances at that age. :D No superrally for Neuville all for Golden Stage!

RS
4th November 2011, 20:32
I wasn't talking about Kopecky :p . But I think that our oppinions are a bit different but have the same thought though :) . And Can't wait for the Golden stage maybe a battle between Mikkelsen and Neuville. Thierry will probably get some more rhythm on gravel tomorrow :)

Don't forget Juho for the golden stage, or Nasser!

I was thinking about Juho's accident and what makes this so stupid is that he didn't even need to go flat out and win this one to take the title.

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 20:38
he was fast at gravel ,snow even at 16 years old with a wrc car at rallies with good competition.At tarmac he wasn t at the same level,but i straggle to find a faster one, at his age with a wrc.Can you find a faster?

Like Mousti mentioned it's hard to find another young driver to compare to as there propably aren't any. Yes, Mikkelsen did score some good times in 2007, but still he's overall performance was only a scratch on a surface as compared to today.

Micke_VOC
4th November 2011, 20:48
Hanninen Crash Cyprus IRC 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCGv2t5Ij0U) Video of Hänninen crash. bad angle from camera.

Btw, Were did Grönholm rolled on the other side on the road ? Was it cyprus , the place look the same

dimviii
4th November 2011, 20:53
Like Mousti mentioned it's hard to find another young driver to compare to as there propably aren't any..
ok find somebody at the age of 20-22 with a wrc to be faster on tarmac.

Hartusvuori
4th November 2011, 21:01
ok find somebody at the age of 20-22 with a wrc to be faster on tarmac.

I got lost. What are we/you trying to prove with this?

dimviii
4th November 2011, 21:13
I got lost. What are we/you trying to prove with this?
i am trying to find a faster driver than Mikkelsen at young age with a wrc in tarmac.because he was very young as you said i am trying to find somebody at 20-22 years old.