Bachmann v perry-which one to beat obama?

[markabilly]

since I seriously doubt that Obama will NOT be the Demo candidate, the question is who will end up being the Republican candidate and can he/she/it beat Obama.

And in the leftist corner, standing where ever, for the demos:

(1) Obama:

He was stronger than many first realized, because notwithstanding his very liberal personna, because people forget the comments about him about how he wiggled his way into the Harvard Law Review Editor in Chief job while at law school.

They also forgot about his contacts with Wall Street, that saw him bring in contributions of ten to 15 times (and actually many say probably much higher) than McCain got from Wall Street.

McCain wanted a return to the effective laws and regulations that kept the financial system far more stable and less likey to go into the tank when times were bad--stuff adopted after lessons learned from the great depression, but far less profitable; in the late 1990's, we got those repealed, as part of the deal lead to all this "affordable housing for everyone" along with the mortgage meltdown, credit crunches, bailouts, et al.


Fuss about the national health insurance deal, all you tea sippers want to fuss, but Wall Street has never really opposed it, and the health insurance companies WANTED IT--yes, THEY WANTED IT!!!!


His best point: He has an excellent TV personality, and has maintained it during his time in office. (At times, Bush would have it, then lose it, often acting like the proverbial deer in the headlights-Obama does not have that problem)


(2) Other Demo candidates??? hello, anybody out there? Beuller, where are you?




Republicans, standing the right corner........ (including the tea partiers)

(1) Sarah Palin

Excellent TV personna......and her other qualities are excellent TV personna and excellent TV personna........

Scares the snoot out of Demos, because they see excellent TV personality. But like a dog in heat chasing a car, what is she gonna do with it, if she actually catches it????duhhhhh
:rolleyes:


(2) Bachmann---probably overall a better candidate than Palin......seems to be smarter

but she got her problems, one of which is she has this belief about blacks being better off before 1860 when they were slaves........sooner or later, that will come back on her :eek:

then there is the overall negativity and rage that seems to leak out.

(3) Rick Perry

Many years ago, I was around him several times at various functions. While not on stage, he seemed to have the personality of a chair, but as soon as it got time to speak in the spotlight, he would get this glow and energy where he lit up like a christmas tree.
Incredible!

reminded me of stories about Elvis Presley, where people would be with him, hanging out or whatever...and they would not be impressed, but when he was on the stage, in his zone, there was this incredible magnetic energy around him.....that was very preceptable


Intelligence--Not that high, a true talking head.


Past record: comes from a state which has not been hurt that much by the economic problems as elsewhere, unemeployment not a problem and so on.


TV personality--Likely to be excellent and probably better than Obama. went through many major scandals with them all rolling off him like water off a duck.






willingness to sell out-----probably much higher than Obama. As governor, busy selling major toll roads in texas to a Spanish company......and was going to require a controversial vaccination for Texas girls in order for them to be able to attend public schools, as a result of some "inside deals".....




Bob Schuman, a former campaign consultant for former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), Perry's political mentor. Schuman’s consulting firm has also represented the pharmaceutical company Merck, which was represented in Texas by Toomey. Toomey’s lobbying for Merck became a scandal in Texas after Perry mandated that all schoolgirls receive a vaccination against HPV -- a vaccination that was made by Merck. The ensuing controversy led the state legislature to override the governor and block the mandate. Schuman's effort has so far been underwritten by a large contribution from Texas billionaire Harold Simmons, a major Perry donor who has used his political clout to gain support from Perry’s administration to bury nuclear waste in western Texas (http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2011/05/harold_simmons_one_step_closer.php).

Rick Perry Super PACs Raise Issues of Coordination, Collusion (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/13/rick-perry-super-pacs-rai_n_925943.html)



as pointed out by democrats:




Under one-party Republican rule, Texas state agencies are plagued by pay-to-play politics, mismanagement and corruption.

#1: Texas Youth Commission Covers-up Systemic Child Abuse (http://www.txdemocrats.org/2009/11/16/state-agency-scandal-1-texas-youth-commission-covers-up-systemic-child-abuse/)[/*:m:22753d88]
#2: Child Abuse, Neglect Continue Under Republican Rule (http://www.txdemocrats.org/2009/11/13/state-agency-scandal-2-child-abuse-neglect-continue-under-republican-rule/)[/*:m:22753d88]
#3: Scandal at Texas State Schools (http://www.txdemocrats.org/2009/11/12/state-agency-scandal-3-scandal-at-texas-state-schools/)[/*:m:22753d88]
#4: A.G. Abbott Wasted Tax Dollars on Partisan Election Year “Voter Fraud” Witch Hunt (http://www.txdemocrats.org/2009/11/11/state-agency-scandal-4-a-g-abbott-wasted-tax-dollars-on-partisan-election-year-%e2%80%9cvoter-fraud%e2%80%9d-witch-hunt/)[/*:m:22753d88]
#5: Perry’s Political Cover-up Continues at Forensic Science Commission (http://www.txdemocrats.org/2009/11/10/state-agency-scandal-5-perry%e2%80%99s-political-cover-up-continues-at-forensic-science-commission/)[/*:m:22753d88]
#6: TEA and SBOE: Republicans Fail Texas Children (http://www.txdemocrats.org/2009/11/09/state-agency-scandal-6-tea-and-sboe-republicans-fail-texas-children/)[/*:m:22753d88]
#7: Texas Workforce Commission Burdens Texans with Debt, Delays Benefits (http://www.txdemocrats.org/2009/11/05/state-agency-scandal-7-texas-workforce-commission-burdens-texans-with-debt-delays-benefits/)[/*:m:22753d88]
#8: Perry’s HHSC: Bad For Texans’ Health (http://www.txdemocrats.org/2009/11/04/state-agency-scandal-8-perry%e2%80%99s-hhsc-bad-for-texans%e2%80%99-health/)[/*:m:22753d88]
#9: TxDOT’s One Billion Dollar Math Error Takes a Toll on Texas Taxpayers (http://www.txdemocrats.org/2009/11/03/state-agency-scandal-9-txdot%e2%80%99s-one-billion-dollar-math-error-takes-a-toll-on-texas-taxpayers/)[/*:m:22753d88]
#10: PUC Allows Criminals to Manage Prepaid Electric Providers (http://www.txdemocrats.org/2009/11/02/state-agency-scandal-10-puc-allows-criminals-to-manage-prepaid-electric-providers/)[/*:m:22753d88]


Burnt Orange Report: Rick Perry's Top Ten State Agency Scandals: His Decade of Failure (http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/10080/rick-perrys-top-ten-state-agency-scandals-his-decade-of-failure)




HOUSTON -- Bill White called for an immediate state and federal investigation, and one of the nation's preeminent criminal defense lawyers weighed in today as Rick Perry stonewalls questions about the public corruption scandal.
Perry handed out $16 million in taxpayer dollars from a high tech fund to companies tied to his top political contributors.
"This is the kind of thing a Public Integrity Unit ought to investigate. If the fundraisers promised or suggested that grants would go to political donors and then that happened, that's criminal, plain and simple," said Dick DeGuerin.
DeGuerin has defended Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison and Representative Tom DeLay and was recently named one of the 25 Greatest Texas Lawyers of the Past Quarter Century.
"Perry's had 48 hours. He's stonewalling simple questions and refusing to release documents revealing the investors in companies getting taxpayer dollars. The Travis County DA and the Department of Justice should investigate," said White.
Will Perry explain what investments his family had in companies associated with his donors, companies benefiting from taxpayer subsidies?" asked White, continuing a series of Rick Perry's Unanswered Questions with #9.
White's call for an investigation comes after explosive reports in the Dallas Morning News showed $16 million in taxpayer handouts to companies tied to Perry's major campaign donors, including one very cozy relationship that yielded $6.5 million in benefits for a single contributor.
The reports have raised serious ethical and conflict of interest questions about Perry and his staff. Since the news broke, the governor's office has been on lockdown in an effort to keep the scandal from damaging Perry's campaign. A fact sheet summarizing the reports of the Dallas Morning News is available at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/3869... (http://www.scribd.com/doc/38696392/Rick-Perry-is-selling-the-governor-s-office-for-campaign-cash.)
as none of the above, has slowed him down at all, may be the toughest candidate for obama to beat, especially since he proably will not have McCain's problems of having a few principles not for sale that hurt mc cain when it came to getting wall street money......



(4) rommney.....

well Iowa seemed to have hurt more than helped.....

[race aficionado]

No one is going to beat Obama.

The Republicans just don't have (what I would deem) a worthwhile candidate.

But give me a Kucinich any time. ;)

Again, my humble opinion.

:s mokin:

[Gregor-y]

I'd say the President is weaker than anyone realized, at least the majority of people that voted for him. I'm not sure how his time at the Law Review comes into this, particularly when it's presented with all the winks and nods of a conspiracy theory but with absolutely nothing to go by unless you were dumb enough to buy into the 'dangerous socialist' and 'gun confiscation' scares of 2008 and 9 and just accept anything negative as truth.

And there was nothing McCain said about restoring all the rules his party gutted. He wanted to suspend the campaign because he knew he was getting trounced badly, mainly because of his choice for a running mate. If you look at the voting record in the Senate for the repeal of Galss-Stegal, of all Republicans only one voted No, another voted 'Present' and MaCain is listed as 'not voting.' Since 'Present' indicates the person was there but chose not to vote, it shows McCain didn't even bother to show up. Anyone who watched McCain during and after the election and thinks thinks has any principles left is seriously deluding themselves. 2000 was a long time ago, and McCain sold out in much bigger ways than any insinuation about Obama from 1991.

I can think of plenty of things I don't like about the President's performance these last two years; focus on the real ones rather than these fantastic sensations. Berlusconi would be a better president than any Republican I can think of other than maybe Hunstman, and since he was until recently our Ambassador to China (appointed by the current President) he has as much chance as a snowball in Hades.

[Rollo]

Actually I think in all honesty the eventual Republican candidate will either be Mitt Romney or Ron Paul...

Since the whole presidential campaign is such a circus, I'm looking forward to campaign adverts and statements by self-proclaimed karate expert Jimmy McMillan.

[ICWS]

Actually I think in all honesty the eventual Republican candidate will either be Mitt Romney or Ron Paul...

I'm not a Republican (nor a Democrat), but I really hope that Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination. If he does, I would vote for him over Obama or any other Indepedent/Third Party candidate... Actually, if he wins the GOP nomination, I wouldn't be suprised if the Libertarian Party and Constitution Party opt to not nominate their own candidates in order to swing voters over to Ron Paul. I also wouldn't be suprised if progressives like Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader throw some support over to Paul.

I think the United States really needs someone who wants to limit the role of the federal government, reinstate the constitution, and use a non-interventionist foreign policy; all of which are things that most Republicans and Democrats have shown to not want to do. The U.S. could also someone to challenge the policies and practices of the Federal Reserve System. Also, the U.S. could sure use a candidate who has received more than 95% of his campaign contributions from individuals rather than businesses/corporations (Ron Paul: Campaign Finance/Money - Summary - Representative 2006/ | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?CID=N00005906&cycle=2006/)).

Unfortunately, it seems the media has already decided for Republican voters that Romney, Bachmann, or Perry will win that party's nomination to take on Obama. However, I'm a little happy to see (judging by straw poll results and the amount of applause Paul receives at the debates) that Ron Paul has a lot more support for Republican voters than the MSM likes to think he has, so I'm cautiously optimistic that he can win the nomination.

[markabilly]

I'd say the President is weaker than anyone realized, at least the majority of people that voted for him. I'm not sure how his time at the Law Review comes into this, particularly when it's presented with all the winks and nods of a conspiracy theory but with absolutely nothing to go by unless you were dumb enough to buy into the 'dangerous socialist' and 'gun confiscation' scares of 2008 and 9 and just accept anything negative as truth.

And there was nothing McCain said about restoring all the rules his party gutted. He wanted to suspend the campaign because he knew he was getting trounced badly, mainly because of his choice for a running mate. If you look at the voting record in the Senate for the repeal of Galss-Stegal, of all Republicans only one voted No, another voted 'Present' and MaCain is listed as 'not voting.' Since 'Present' indicates the person was there but chose not to vote, it shows McCain didn't even bother to show up. Anyone who watched McCain during and after the election and thinks thinks has any principles left is seriously deluding themselves. 2000 was a long time ago, and McCain sold out in much bigger ways than any insinuation about Obama from 1991.

I can think of plenty of things I don't like about the President's performance these last two years; focus on the real ones rather than these fantastic sensations. Berlusconi would be a better president than any Republican I can think of other than maybe Hunstman, and since he was until recently our Ambassador to China (appointed by the current President) he has as much chance as a snowball in Hades.

go back to sleep.

McCain voted yes in 1999 (not in 1991), U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00105)

at the personal urging of Phil Graham, and others such as Alan Greenspan.................despite expressing his own doubts. Within a short period, he had second thoughts and began seeking to reverse the damage, with very very little success, even after the meltdown.

Chicago, the dirty, filthy city of the bought vote and corrupt politics. :rolleyes:

[markabilly]

Actually I think in all honesty the eventual Republican candidate will either be Mitt Romney or Ron Paul...

Since the whole presidential campaign is such a circus, I'm looking forward to campaign adverts and statements by self-proclaimed karate expert Jimmy McMillan.

unlike in british politics, where the people are really not to be trusted, and are not permitted a direct vote in who runs their country.




Ron Paul is someone different, and is actually someone with whom I agree with somewhat on the economy, but he has little TV personality, and his probably fatal problem: fat cats on Wall Street do not like him, so i doubt it he will be a "serious candidate"

So good for his individual contributions, but that is a drop in the bucket for what he needs. And then there is the unpaid advertizing that a Perry is currently getting from the news media.





Speaking of Perry, today he said, he will beat Obama, because unlike Obama, he will not be selling this country to foreign debtors. And the audience was cheering wildly!!

hahaha, he seems to forget how he has been selling all the major roads in Texas to this particular Spanish company, who has put up toll booths on the roads, (very expensive in Dallas sometimes like a dollar plus, every one to two miles) after the taxpayers paid for building the roads


And while he is a well known "gay basher" and signer of family rights, "no gay marriage" bills and so forth..........well, there has been this persistent little rumor that he likes to take an occaisional walk on the wild side......but I do not if just rumor or if true.....

[Rollo]

unlike in british politics, where the people are really not to be trusted, and are not permitted a direct vote in who runs their country.


They get a far bigger say than they do in America.

Cabinet is the Executive of the country in a Westminster Parliament. Since the Cabinet is formed from Elected members of parliament, every single one of them has been at very least voted in by their local constituency.

Not only is the Cabinet NOT elected in the United States at all but you don't actually vote for the President either. You submit votes for the Electoral College who then vote for the President.

[Eki]

have the personality of a chair
What's wrong with that if it's a nice chair and has character?

Maybe Republicans will have a Trump card. Roasty would like that.

[Jag_Warrior]

I believe the GOP nominee will either be Mitt Romney (still the fave with big business backing) or Rick Perry (will have the backing of the Evangelical Bible thumpers, neo-cons and the Tea Party types). The only one who I think can beat Obama in a general election is Romney. But something tells me that the GOP will bend to the desires of the radical right, so there's a good chance that Perry might win it.

Bachmann is a (lunatic) fringe candidate. She has no chance of winning the nomination, IMO. Ron Paul is probably the most intellectually honest candidate the GOP could possibly have. But the current GOP is not embracing intellect or honesty these days, so I don't think he has a chance either.

Assuming Romney takes it from Perry, here's one problem I see Romney having: in order to beat Perry in the GOP primaries, Romney is going to have to articulate a LOT of extreme right wing positions. But the U.S. is not an extreme right wing country. It's a center-right country. So to beat Perry, Romney is going to give Obama and the Dems a big bat to smack him in the head with during the general election.

But let's say somehow, some way, Michele Bachmann wins the GOP nomination. Well, if that happens, just go ahead and start congratulating Barack Obama on his second term in office. He'll slaughter that crazy eyed nutcase. Other than a win or two in the neo-Confederate/Bible Belt states, she'll be decimated.

[ICWS]

I believe the GOP nominee will either be Mitt Romney (still the fave with big business backing) or Rick Perry (will have the backing of the Evangelical Bible thumpers, neo-cons and the Tea Party types). The only one who I think can beat Obama in a general election is Romney. But something tells me that the GOP will bend to the desires of the radical right, so there's a good chance that Perry might win it.

Bachmann is a (lunatic) fringe candidate. She has no chance of winning the nomination, IMO. Ron Paul is probably the most intellectually honest candidate the GOP could possibly have. But the current GOP is not embracing intellect or honesty these days, so I don't think he has a chance either.

Assuming Romney takes it from Perry, here's one problem I see Romney having: in order to beat Perry in the GOP primaries, Romney is going to have to articulate a LOT of extreme right wing positions. But the U.S. is not an extreme right wing country. It's a center-right country. So to beat Perry, Romney is going to give Obama and the Dems a big bat to smack him in the head with during the general election.

But let's say somehow, some way, Michele Bachmann wins the GOP nomination. Well, if that happens, just go ahead and start congratulating Barack Obama on his second term in office. He'll slaughter that crazy eyed nutcase. Other than a win or two in the neo-Confederate/Bible Belt states, she'll be decimated.

I do think Bachmann has a reasonable chance of winning the nomination, but I agree with you that if she does win it, she'll be destroyed by Obama on the campaign front and in the debates; due to her own problems and because the MSM will aim to expose her and certainly hammer her with criticism after criticism (a la Sarah Palin).

Because of the opinions you and I gave about Bachmann, I believe the GOP will eventually start to push Mitt Romney and Rick Perry more into the spotlight over her, since Romney and Perry, as of now, each have a better chance of defeating Obama than she does. Between those two, I think Mitt Romney would win the nomination. You may be right in that the GOP may try to appeal more to the radical right, but I think Perry's proven habit of being conservative in his rhetoric more so than in his policy making will give Romney a slight advantage over him. Plus, I think the GOP knows that Romney probably has a better chance of getting swing states than Perry does, which would help in competing against Obama.

Lastly, I appreciate that you acknowledged Ron Paul as the most intellectually honest GOP candidate, as I too share that sentiment. That's why I hope he somehow wins the nomination, as he's proven to have terrific insight on economic issues and I also like the fact that he's an anti-war Republican. In my opinion, Paul is the only one of the two major party candidates (Obama and all the other GOP candidates) who would seriously pursue reducing the U.S. military budget as a way to cut deficit spending. Also, it would be great to see someone like Paul come in as president and challenge the Federal Reserve System and Keynesian economics in general. I don't think Paul would actually bring it down, but I think he can provide some oversight and make the Fed more accountable for its policies and practices.

[markabilly]

Do not underestimate Rick Perry. He has the type of personality that wins votes and elections, despite the well known facts I have previously quoted. NAd there is far more than I have quoted.

He also has MONEY FROM RICH SUPPORTERS, and he knows how to get them to give it to him, to a level that I doubt anyone else can compete.

He is already bragging about stuff he had nothing to do with while he was governor, as the Texas governor's position has far, far less power than the LT. Governor and the Speaker of the House, as well some other elected officials.

Personally, i think the only good thing about him being elected president is that he will not be the governor any longer. :D


Ron paul may be the better choice, but he can not survive against perry and his money. :rolleyes:

[Bob Riebe]

Do not underestimate Rick Perry. He has the type of personality that wins votes and elections, despite the well known facts I have previously quoted. NAd there is far more than I have quoted.

He also has MONEY FROM RICH SUPPORTERS, and he knows how to get them to give it to him, to a level that I doubt anyone else can compete.

He is already bragging about stuff he had nothing to do with while he was governor, as the Texas governor's position has far, far less power than the LT. Governor and the Speaker of the House, as well some other elected officials.

Personally, i think the only good thing about him being elected president is that he will not be the governor any longer. :D


Ron paul may be the better choice, but he can not survive against perry and his money. :rolleyes:
Paul is a libertarian isolationist living in dream-land.
His chance of winning the GOP nomination is not too far from zero.
I can see the slim possibility of him running as a third party candidate for no other reason than to screw the Republicans, who if they choose Romney or Perry probably would deserve it.

It is too early to make any predictions. The talking heads on TV are doing it either because they are legends in their own minds, or do want the ability to throw the election one way or another.

[markabilly]

You got no response so lets presume the anti British slur was ill thought out lol.. ;) :)
it was unworthy of a response, as we all know how the brits set up their govt to make it look more democratic than it actually is. house of lords and all that.

and he is wrong about the cabinent positions

the electoral college is an old system that has outlived its time, but it was established back when communication was limited......the only good thing about it is if there is massive voter fraud, such as a million votes for one candidate, where only 500,000 live, the effect is limited as to that one particular elector

[Rollo]

Sorry, but this statement is a LIE:



and he is wrong about the cabinent positions

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/pdf2002/006-Constitution.pdf
Article 2, Section 2 - United States Constitution
The President:
shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law:

Who voted for the abomination that is Hillary Clinton? It certainly wasn't you and it wasn't the American people either.

[Roamy]

Gee Ten POS and we get to pick one Whooooo Hooooo

[Bob Riebe]

Sorry, but this statement is a LIE:

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/pdf2002/006-Constitution.pdf
Article 2, Section 2 - United States Constitution
The President:
shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law:

Who voted for the abomination that is Hillary Clinton? It certainly wasn't you and it wasn't the American people either.

Supreme court justices may be nominated but must be approved by others than the President. Check on Robert Bork what Democrats liars and fear mongers can do to a nomination. The Republicans, good or bad, either have no balls when an appoitment should be strongly opposed, or are gutless idiots but probably good they have not stooped to the lying scum level the Democrats have.
The Democrats brought in a lying whore to try to scam Clarence Thomas but the Republicans did not cave for once.
Appeal court abominations are the result of Presidential choices.

Hillary Clinton, was a disappointment when she accepted her position but the bright side is she can be thorn in Obama's regime from her position, as Panetta and she were recently when asked about defense cuts.

[Kaiser]

I think anyone at this point can beat Obama. He hasn't shown leadership at all and the economy will not be turning around any time soon. Basically, everything he has touched has become a fiasco. He has lost the independent voters and the Jewish vote in New York due to his stance on Israel. The young people are not supporting him this time around either. I wouldn't be surprised to see him become the first incumbent to not receive the nomination from his party.

[Gregor-y]

go back to sleep.

McCain voted yes in 1999 (not in 1991), U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00105)

at the personal urging of Phil Graham, and others such as Alan Greenspan.................despite expressing his own doubts. Within a short period, he had second thoughts and began seeking to reverse the damage, with very very little success, even after the meltdown.

Chicago, the dirty, filthy city of the bought vote and corrupt politics. :rolleyes:

So he didn't run and hide; he voted for it. Real maverick there. And you mentioned something about the President from 1991. How you translated my question to apply it to McCain is beyond me. And like I said, hasn't everything McCain has done since January 2008 shown he has no guiding principle whatsoever?

But of course, when all else fails, make fun of my city. Where are you that's so much better, pray tell? Chicago's pretty clean compared to a lot of down town areas I've seen.

For all the let downs and complaints about the President Republicans have painted themselves so far into a corner that no one, including Perry, can be taken seriously. All the sensible Republicans that weren't culled for opposing W tax cuts and wars were pushed aside by the overwhelming need to demonize Obama in the most ludicrous ways imaginable. All the party's left with are cheap opportunists.

[Bob Riebe]

So he didn't run and hide; he voted for it. Real maverick there. And you mentioned something about the President from 1991. How you translated my question to apply it to McCain is beyond me. And like I said, hasn't everything McCain has done since January 2008 shown he has no guiding principle whatsoever?

But of course, when all else fails, make fun of my city. Where are you that's so much better, pray tell? Chicago's pretty clean compared to a lot of down town areas I've seen.

For all the let downs and complaints about the President Republicans have painted themselves so far into a corner that no one, including Perry, can be taken seriously. All the sensible Republicans that weren't culled for opposing W tax cuts and wars were pushed aside by the overwhelming need to demonize Obama in the most ludicrous ways imaginable. All the party's left with are cheap opportunists.I don't think he was speaking of how dirty the actual streets of Chicago are. LOL

No one has to try to demonize Obama, Obama has done it all by himself.
Anyone who cannot see that either has blinders on, or is so prejudiced against anything but Democrats, that if the Dem. nominated Qadaffi, the majority in Chicago would vote for him.

[Jag_Warrior]

I think anyone at this point can beat Obama. He hasn't shown leadership at all and the economy will not be turning around any time soon. Basically, everything he has touched has become a fiasco. He has lost the independent voters and the Jewish vote in New York due to his stance on Israel. The young people are not supporting him this time around either. I wouldn't be surprised to see him become the first incumbent to not receive the nomination from his party.

Since there isn't even a legitimate Democrat challenger, and Obama already has a huge war chest built up, just who do you think is going to win the nomination? :confused: Obama has the Democrat nomination all but wrapped up.

As for "anyone can beat Obama"... as long as "anyone" doesn't include Bachmann, Palin (who is to politics what Danica Patrick is to racing) and most of the rest of the announced GOP field (save Romney and maybe Perry), I really don't see that view as realistic. I don't see the American people replacing even a bad plant manager with the janitor. And in Bachmann and (the yet to announce) Palin, that's about what you have: mop & bucket politicians.

But if the TEA partiers are able to stage a successful "Beer Hall Putsch", they might get one of their loons the nomination, and we'll be able to test your theory.

[anthonyvop]

Since there isn't even a legitimate Democrat challenger, and Obama already has a huge war chest built up, just who do you think is going to win the nomination? :confused: Obama has the Democrat nomination all but wrapped up.

As for "anyone can beat Obama"... as long as "anyone" doesn't include Bachmann, Palin (who is to politics what Danica Patrick is to racing) and most of the rest of the announced GOP field (save Romney and maybe Perry), I really don't see that view as realistic. I don't see the American people replacing even a bad plant manager with the janitor. And in Bachmann and (the yet to announce) Palin, that's about what you have: mop & bucket politicians.

But if the TEA partiers are able to stage a successful "Beer Hall Putsch", they might get one of their loons the nomination, and we'll be able to test your theory.


Wow......Talk about being blind to the state of the Obama Presidency combined with a back-handed NAZI insult! At least you tried to Spice up the same old, tired left wing arguments.

[Jag_Warrior]

Wow......Talk about being blind to the state of the Obama Presidency combined with a back-handed NAZI insult! At least you tried to Spice up the same old, tired left wing arguments.


Says the man who told me how "qualified" Sarah Palin was to be President... just BEFORE she folded up like a cheap tent in the wind and resigned as Governor of Alaska.

But since you seem to agree with his assessment, Anthony, please tell me which Democrat is going to take the nomination from Obama? Is that what you meant? Or did you mean that either Michele "Hoot-Smalley" Bachmann or Silly Sarah From Wasilla can become POTUS?

I stand by what I posted. And is being shown, now that the American people are getting a better idea of what the TEA party groups REALLY consist of: if some fringe candidate gets the GOP nomination, odds are that Obama will get four more years.

Yes, Anthony... me and my "left wing" arguments. :rolleyes: By the way, do you know what bifurcated logic is? Your picture is beside the definition in the dictionary, so you might want to check it out. Rather odd smile you have there, old stick.

[Gregor-y]

But if the TEA partiers are able to stage a successful "Beer Hall Putsch", they might get one of their loons the nomination, and we'll be able to test your theory.
Please don't go that way; luckily I don't think they have any actual fanatics yet with enough conviction to get violent.

[chuck34]

Palin (who is to politics what Danica Patrick is to racing)

Hey at least Sarah is actually good looking. Sorry I don't go for the 13 year old boy look that Danica has going on. :D

[Jag_Warrior]

Please don't go that way; luckily I don't think they have any actual fanatics yet with enough conviction to get violent.

Hence the quotation marks.

[Dave B]

I'm confused. Which one is the anti-abortionist, which one the climate-change denier, and which one believes in creationism? Or are they all interchangable idiots?

[Knock-on]

I'm confused. Which one is the anti-abortionist, which one the climate-change denier, and which one believes in creationism? Or are they all interchangable idiots?

God Bless America!!!

[harvick#1]

still rather wanna see Ron Paul become our next president, he seems to have a concept of "today's reality" unlike these other joker Republican's and Democrat's running.

[Zeakiwi]

FO (foreign observer) questions for US citizens. Is Mitt Romney's faith likely to be a polarising factor for the swinging voter ? Would Rick Perry's NRA endorsement and Military service put him ahead of many candidates in the Southern States ? How important is the potential First Lady factor (i.e wife with the biggest mouth)?

What are the likely combinations Repub Pres/ Vice Pres candidates ? Any likelihood of 'something' unexpected ? A Romney/ Kain combo or Romney/ Santorum etc

[Jag_Warrior]

FO (foreign observer) questions for US citizens. Is Mitt Romney's faith likely to be a polarising factor for the swinging voter ? Would Rick Perry's NRA endorsement and Military service put him ahead of many candidates in the Southern States ? How important is the potential First Lady factor (i.e wife with the biggest mouth)?

Great questions. During the primaries, the GOP candidate that gets the Evangelical/religious right blessing, as well as an NRA endorsement, is going to have a definite leg up on the others in the south. Military service always helps. And while the Mormon faith is one of the fastest growing in the U.S., in the south it is still viewed by many as a sort of cult or fringe religion... or as some Evangelicals I know say, "they're not real Christians." Even Catholics aren't well accepted in some parts of the south. So no, being a Mormon certainly won't help Romney here. I think Romney will be strong among moderate Republicans and independents, while Perry will be strong among southern Evangelicals, TEA party types and neo-cons ("the base"). Bachmann is a joke candidate. But I think there are some fairly serious players in the GOP contest now.


What are the likely combinations Repub Pres/ Vice Pres candidates ? Any likelihood of 'something' unexpected ? A Romney/ Kain combo or Romney/ Santorum etc

Another great question. As of yet, I haven't really heard any serious combinations being formed. But I do think Romney is going to have to link up with a hardcore right winger in order to make it out of the primaries. Not to say that person would be his running mate, but he needs a bible thumping BFF about now.

[markabilly]

Seems there is a poll that shows Perry beating everyone else, including obama. Only been running a couple of weeks, and there is he.

As I said before, do not underestimate the boy. In the last governor race, the big boy republcians were weary of his shennigans, so they got the US Senator, Hutchinson, to run against him in the primaries.

Everyone thought she would beat him or it would be close. It was not, and Perry got the republican nomination. This is despite his record, which if you look at and click on the links, you will find some awful stuff.....but much like Clinton and Obama, this sort of stuff has been like water on a duck's back, and has never slowed him down.


First Poll Officially Shows a Real Republican Candidate Beating Obama -- Daily Intel (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/first_poll_officially_shows_a.html)



meanwhile bachmann is saying that the hurricane and the earthquake was god's way of of warning and punishing those sinners in new york and washington dc....then the next day, she is trying to make it sound like a joke, as in just kidding.... :rolleyes:

[Rollo]

Great questions. During the primaries, the GOP candidate that gets the Evangelical/religious right blessing, as well as an NRA endorsement, is going to have a definite leg up on the others in the south. Military service always helps. And while the Mormon faith is one of the fastest growing in the U.S., in the south it is still viewed by many as a sort of cult or fringe religion... or as some Evangelicals I know say, "they're not real Christians." Even Catholics aren't well accepted in some parts of the south. So no, being a Mormon certainly won't help Romney here. I think Romney will be strong among moderate Republicans and independents, while Perry will be strong among southern Evangelicals, TEA party types and neo-cons ("the base"). Bachmann is a joke candidate. But I think there are some fairly serious players in the GOP contest now.

Another great question. As of yet, I haven't really heard any serious combinations being formed. But I do think Romney is going to have to link up with a hardcore right winger in order to make it out of the primaries. Not to say that person would be his running mate, but he needs a bible thumping BFF about now.

This is something which I never understood about American politics. The nation prides itself on having religious freedom and actively does its level best to prosecute religion in schools and public places but at the same token, only really allows candidates with religious endorsement to run for the top office.
JFK was the only Catholic president and if a Muslim Candidate were to run for office, they'd be run out of town.

Romney is a Mormon and so probably won't be endorsed by the GOP in the end. Michele Bachmann is running anti-Perry ads. Rick Perry is a Methodist and an A+ endorsed candidate from the NRA, if anyone seems to be the most electable it would be him.

Then there was the never-ending malaise of incomprehension that is Sarah Palin who spoke in Iowa at the weekend...

[Bob Riebe]

This is something which I never understood about American politics. The nation prides itself on having religious freedom and actively does its level best to prosecute religion in schools and public places but at the same token, only really allows candidates with religious endorsement to run for the top office.
JFK was the only Catholic president and if a Muslim Candidate were to run for office, they'd be run out of town.

Romney is a Mormon and so probably won't be endorsed by the GOP in the end. Michele Bachmann is running anti-Perry ads. Rick Perry is a Methodist and an A+ endorsed candidate from the NRA, if anyone seems to be the most electable it would be him.

Then there was the never-ending malaise of incomprehension that is Sarah Palin who spoke in Iowa at the weekend...NRA endorsement means little to nothing, as the NRA has cut off its nose to spite its face concerning political matters in the past.
Perry has been a hypocrite in the past and I hope to God, he does not get it.
Using religion to get elected is pretty much one of the things Jesus had little time for when criticized the Jew leaders.

[Bob Riebe]

I'm confused. Which one is the anti-abortionist, which one the climate-change denier, and which one believes in creationism? Or are they all interchangable idiots?Most are anti-Federal Government controlled abortion, no one believes the climate is not changing, and anyone who is a Christian and does not believe in creation is a lying p.o.s.

[Bob Riebe]

FO (foreign observer) questions for US citizens. Is Mitt Romney's faith likely to be a polarising factor for the swinging voter ? Would Rick Perry's NRA endorsement and Military service put him ahead of many candidates in the Southern States ? How important is the potential First Lady factor (i.e wife with the biggest mouth)?

What are the likely combinations Repub Pres/ Vice Pres candidates ? Any likelihood of 'something' unexpected ? A Romney/ Kain combo or Romney/ Santorum etcRomeny's faith only matters to the talking heads on TV.
Military service puts him ahead in most states.

[F1boat]

From the outside, Romney looks most intelligent, but I fear that the Texan will win the primaries and the elections. It is like Bush, all over again.

[Dave B]

Turns out that each part of my "which is which" question could be answered by "Rick Perry":


Most are anti-Federal Government controlled abortion
Perry's views on abortion are quite something, though:


While many states have mandatory ultrasound laws, the Texas bill rushed into law by Perry goes many steps further. The law requires a woman seeking an abortion to endure an anti-choice lecture delivered by a doctor who doesn't agree with the content, which gave judge Sparks the chance to reject the law on freedom of speech grounds. But what's truly alarming about the law is the searing contempt for women's dignity and intelligence baked right into it.

Source: Rick Perry's demeaning abortion doctrine | Amanda Marcotte | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/01/rick-perry-abortion-doctrine)


no one believes the climate is not changing....

And yet Perry comes out with gems like this:



But what really got people's attention was what he [Perry] said about climate change: "I think there are a substantial number of scientists who have manipulated data so that they will have dollars rolling into their projects. And I think we are seeing almost weekly, or even daily, scientists are coming forward and questioning the original idea that man-made global warming is what is causing the climate to change."

...The second part of Mr Perry's statement is, as it happens, just false: the scientific consensus about man-made global warming – which includes 97% to 98% of researchers in the field, according to the National Academy of Sciences – is getting stronger, not weaker, as the evidence for climate change just keeps mounting.


Source: The Republicans are now the anti-science party | Paul Krugman | Comment is free | The Observer (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/04/evolution-climate-republicans-president)


and anyone who is a Christian and does not believe in creation is a lying p.o.s.

I can just about understand why people still cling on to biblical fairy tales for comfort, but holding a view like the following should automatically disqualify one from office:


Last year, Perry answered an interview question about evolution by saying, "I am a firm believer in Intelligent Design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside the theories of evolution."

Source: Rick Perry's true ID: creationism in the classroom | Andrew Williams | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/aug/23/rick-perry-creationism-classroom)

[markabilly]

From the outside, Romney looks most intelligent, but I fear that the Texan will win the primaries and the elections. It is like Bush, all over again.

Perry is not like Bush at all.

In comparison, Bush is compassionate, wants to do the right thing, self-sacrificing, unselfish, honest, incorruptible, intelligent and with the "negatives" of lacking a good tv personaliity and not always politically "wise".

Perry.........just the opposite. When it came to forcing young girls to undergo an unnecessary vacination program, Perry tried to mandate it because the money was right, and he has done similar stunts on other issues as well(see links above)

As to anti-abortion, well if the money for his pocket and the votes for him were there, he would have no problem making abortion not only legal, but mandatory. :eek:


Rule 1--Never let your principles get in the way of taking care of busines (i.e., putting money in your pocket) :D

But the abortion industry would have to pay some pretty hefty sums, much more than he gets from those "other sources"............................. :dozey:

[Dave B]

Perry is not like Bush at all.
In comparison, Bush is compassionate, wants to do the right thing, self-sacrificing, unselfish, honest, incorruptible, intelligent and with the "negatives" of lacking a good tv personaliity
and not always politically "wise".

Perry.........just the opposite.

Jeez. You're honestly saying that Perry makes the man who started an unwinnable war (which cost tens of thousands of lives and nearly bankrupted his country) look compassionate and intelligent? Just how bad is he? :eek:

[markabilly]

Sorry, but this statement is a LIE:



http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/pdf2002/006-Constitution.pdf
Article 2, Section 2 - United States Constitution
The President:
shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law:

Who voted for the abomination that is Hillary Clinton? It certainly wasn't you and it wasn't the American people either.

as usual, you are clueless, in the end, signifying nothing.

[markabilly]

Jeez. You're honestly saying that Perry makes the man who started an unwinnable war (which cost tens of thousands of lives and nearly bankrupted his country) look compassionate and intelligent? Just how bad is he? :eek:

Bush did it because he thought it was for the good of the country and the civilized world.......Perry would only have done it because he thought it would put money in his pocket in some form, shape or fashion and get him or keep him elected.

If the enviromentalists want a "green" president, then all they need to do is put enough "green" in his pocket in some off shore, non-traceable accounts and in his close friends' pockets, along with a quarantee that the votes would be there for his getting elected, and they got their man!!!

Like I said, he was bad enough that the old staunch Texas Repubes, went out and specially recruited the Texas senator Hutchinson to run against him in the primaries. But he stomped her good as side by side, he made the best appearance-----politically speaking. One reason for the move to bring her in to the race for the namination was that he had packed the Transportation department with his cronies who were selling Texas public roads to the Spanish for tolling, causing outrage (or so you would think)....people fussed, but still voted for Rickie

[Rollo]

as usual, you are clueless, in the end, signifying nothing.

What, for quoting the law and stating the truth? I agree though, the law is worth nothing in your country.

[Zeakiwi]

Are there any memorable Obama quotes apart from 'Yes we can'. A few JFKs are in this.

Shona Laing - (Glad I'm) Not A Kennedy (Extended Remix) (1986) (Audio) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj2jWbDjVE4)

The voting machines will probably decide the outcome of the elections.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

[markabilly]

Things are beginning to look more and more like Rickie will be our new leader..told you guys to watch out for Rickie!!!!!!....

Sad thing is that in a number of areas, I agree with Perry. For example, gun control (well up to a point) and so on. And it is not his sometimes weird ideas that bother me........like global warming or creation views........



The problem with him is that I know him for the crook that he is...... :eek:

In a contest between sell-outs, which was how Obama got the presidency and marked his career, beginning with the Harvard law Review job that I alluded to earlier, where he loudly pays homage to one set of ideals, while working the back-door to take care of Wall Street fat cats (the latter being something ignored by vpop and Reibe), Perry just takes care of the fat cats upfront, when or if they got the bread and power to make it pay good for him



The new super PAC backing Rick Perry has drawn up plans to spend $55 million as part of an ambitious campaign strategy aimed at blowing away the Texas governor's rivals in early primary states and securing him the Republican nomination by next spring, according to internal committee documents obtained by NBC News.


Rick Perry super PAC takes aim at rivals - politics - Decision 2012 - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44402386/ns/politics-decision_2012/)



meanwhile for obama:



After the bruising debt-ceiling fight — as well as Standard & Poor's subsequent downgrade of the nation's credit rating — Obama's job approval rating has sunk to a low of 44 percent, a 3-point drop since July. His handling of the economy stands at a low of 37 percent. And only 19 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction, the lowest mark for this president.
Perhaps most ominously for Obama, a majority of poll takers — 54 percent — think he's facing a longer-term setback from which he's unlikely to recover. Back in January, just 39 percent agreed with that assessment.

What's more, in a hypothetical general election contest, Obama leads Texas Gov. Rick Perry by five points, 47 percent to 42 percent. And he leads former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by one, 46 percent to 45 percent, though that margin is down five points since June.
But for the first time in the poll, more say they'd probably vote for a generic Republican candidate (44 percent) than say they'd probably vote for Obama (40 percent).
"Obama is no longer the favorite to win re-election," Hart said, explaining that a head-to-head score will usually conform to the generic one, especially when so many believe the country is headed in the wrong direction.

Perry takes commanding GOP lead
And there's a new favorite in the race for the Republican presidential nomination.
Heading into the post-Labor Day sprint and the NBC News/Politico-sponsored debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library on Wednesday, Perry is the first choice among 38 percent of GOP voters — followed by Romney at 23 percent, Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 9 percent and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann at 8 percent.


Obama hits all-time low, NBC News/WSJ poll finds - politics - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44401295/ns/politics/t/obama-hits-all-time-lows-according-nbc-newswall-street-journal-poll/)



Meanwhile Bachmann has toasted herself--or more accurately, her manager (and his chef adie) toasted her, by quiting because Bachmann was a now nothing more than a "third candidate" which was a nice way of calling her a loser.......

Key Bachmann aide quits, says she's '3rd candidate' - politics - Decision 2012 - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44403245/ns/politics-decision_2012/t/michele-bachmanns-campaign-manager-quits-says-shes-third-candidate/)

BTW, the manager was named Ed Rollins....something of a heavy weight in such areas.
But he has a way of quiting that sinks campaigns as in Bachmann's case....
:dozey:
Example: Ross Perot was doing well, and perhaps headed for the white house, when he and Rollins parted ways as a result of an internal fight... a few days later, perot quit the race.....but then much later, tried to jump back in.

When he quit Ross Perot, that effectively ended his campaign, although later Perot tried to overcome the stuff that erupted when Rollins sadi Perot was emotionally unfir to be president.....If Ross had not jumped back in, clinton would not have been president. Perot took about 20 percent of the vote that would have gone to Bush senior, hence effectively giving the election to Bill Clinton.




How effective is Rick getting to be with this money for ads???
everytime I click onto this thread, up pops a banner telling me to vote for Rick

[Bob Riebe]

To make any absolute predictions this early is either just plain silly, or trolling for outraged responses from silly people.

[Bob Riebe]

Are there any memorable Obama quotes apart from 'Yes we can'. A few JFKs are in this.

Shona Laing - (Glad I'm) Not A Kennedy (Extended Remix) (1986) (Audio) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj2jWbDjVE4)

The voting machines will probably decide the outcome of the elections.
Election Systems & Software - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software)
Obama 57 states

At a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon, in May 2008, Obama claimed to have visited 57 U.S. states during the campaign.
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Obama Reads Wrong Speech on Teleprompter at WH St. Pats Party

Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen reads word for word a speech that Obama had just read from a teleprompter, while the president apparently thanked himself for the invitation.
Associated Press
Wednesday, March 18, 2009
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OBAMA PROMISED FIVE DAYS OF REVIEW OF HIS PROPOSED STIMULUS LEGISLATION.

STIMULUS BILL WAS PRESENTED ON A FRIDAY AND SIGNED THAT MONDAY
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OBAMA GIVING A 25 DVD GIFT SET TO THE PRIME MINISTER OF BRITAIN THAT WON'T EVEN PLAY ON BRITISH DVD PLAYERS

That last bit might be true. After Brown presented Obama with a pen holder crafted from the timbers of the 19th century British warship HMS President (whose sister ship, HMS Resolute, provided the wood for the Oval Office's desk), Obama offered up ... 25 DVDs of American movie classics...
Never mind that Brown is blind in one eye and may have a hard time seeing the stars in "2001: A Space Odyssey," or that American DVDs are usually incompatible with British players.
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On Thursday, at Fort Drum, New York, as reported by the Military Times, Obama told the 10th Mountain Division he had the privilege of meeting “a comrade of yours, Jared Monti” adding it was “the first person who I was able to award the Medal of Honor to who actually came back and wasn’t receiving it posthumously.” Turns out Monti did receive it posthumously, as Obama presented the award to his parents at a White House ceremony in 2009. After CBN inquired about the gaffe, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney clarified that the President had confused Monti with “Salvatore Giunta, who was the first living recipient of the Medal who served in Afghanistan.”

[Rollo]

To make any absolute predictions this early is either just plain silly, or trolling for outraged responses from silly people.

Making predictions based on unknown events is the basis of some entire industries.
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-ca/betting/e/1559947/Republican-Presidential-Candidate.html

And to be perfectly honest, for a lot of us who don't live in the United States and also have no say at all, the whole subject of US Politics is entertaining in the same way as watching Rangers v Celtic (and the participants are just as mindless), basically it's "Hooray, Boo, Hooray, Boo" then yell at each other for 90 minutes and then go home.

[F1boat]

Markability, you may be surprised, but I will be happy if Perry is just a crook and not a vicious, fanatical Taliban.

[Bob Riebe]

Markability, you may be surprised, but I will be happy if Perry is just a crook and not a vicious, fanatical Taliban.From the way Obama is running the war on terrorism, you had better hope he is not a Taliban agent.

[Jag_Warrior]

From the way Obama is running the war on terrorism, you had better hope he is not a Taliban agent.

Yeah, it's not as if Osama bin Laden caught a bullet in the face on his watch, eh? :rolleyes:

What we need is another President who'll launch a war against a country based on a family beef and basically ignore countries that (actually) foster terrorism. Just like Nixon's "War on Drugs", the "War on Terrorism" (or terrizm, as the neocons put it) has been a complete joke. The Zionist neocons wanted a Holy War against Islam.... just like the radical Islamists wanted a Holy War against Westerners. Two sides of the same coin, IMO. I say, throw the whole lot of them in a giant stadium with knives and sharpened sticks and see who wins. And whoever wins, shoot them as they do their victory cheer.

[Bob Riebe]

Yeah, it's not as if Osama bin Laden caught a bullet in the face on his watch, eh? :rolleyes:
.Less competition. LOL

[markabilly]

After tonight's debates, there are only two questions remaining:

1. Will somebody be able to pull something out of the closet about Rick that will actually knock the Perry choo-choo train off the tracks? (well I sort of doubt it)

2. Will Perry beat Obama? (as to those who say no, well all I can say is, repeating myself again, do not make the mistake of many a past Perry hater-opponent and understimate ole Ricky




As to the Republican nomination, well unless something really really unique and nasty pops out of Rickie's closet-----you know like one parent was Jewish, the other was black Taliban, and when perry is not down at the local gay orgy having some fun, he is sacrificing small children at a devil worship group------ well, boys, stick a fork in it, cause it is done. Turn out the lights......

Mind you, I ain't saying Romney is not the best man for the job, and from what I know, well he seems to be the better man for the job. And clearly more likely to beat Obama.

But when pistol-packing Rickie starts dumping on him and comparing him to the worst of all candidates for national office (Dukakis), Rummieboy looks whiny and weak:


"Michael Dukakis created jobs three times faster than you did, Mitt,"

"You cannot keep the status quo in place and call it anything other than a Ponzi scheme"

""monstrous lie" "(social security) is a Ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years today you're paying into a program that's going to be there Anybody that's for the status quo with Social Security today is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids, and it's not right

"Maybe it's time to have some provocative language in this country."


"As a matter of fact, we created more jobs in the last three months in Texas than he created in four years in Massachusetts"


And of all the candidates, he appeared the most at ease.

The teabaggers in the republican party are now more than ever going to be flocking to him....




Makes me really wonder, just how cold does it get in Canada in January 2013? :dozey:

[Roamy]

Ummmmm wonder which loser will win. Probably another 4 years before a "hitter" will surface. Oh I have a titanium spine. right I want a titanium dick so I can enjoy myself as the world goes in the sh!tter.

[F1boat]

From the way Obama is running the war on terrorism, you had better hope he is not a Taliban agent.

I think that Obama is doing a good job with that. He may look peaceful, he might be peaceful, but Osama is done and I won't be surprised if soon Gadaffi follows. His big problem is that he is unable to revive the economics, but the Congress is blocking him to a degree. I really hope that Obama will get a 2nd term, I am sure that if he does, the US will become a better place for itself and for the world.
But Perry will be very tough rival.

[Gregor-y]

Perry made an ass of himself at the debate, doubling down on his anti social security rhetoric (and getting torn to pieces by Romney of all people for it) and apparently nearly coming to blows with Ron Paul. Like Bush before him he looks good until you put him on stage, then he's batty as Bachmann. To his credit he knows this and tried to get out of the debate all together saying he needed to go watch his state burn down while all those socialist northern states rushed to get proper fire fighting equipment sent down to him. Perry cut this sort of funding by some 30% lately and those flaming pigeons are now roosting very comfortably.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8197/perrypaulhuntsman.jpg
[Perry re-enacts a scene from his favorite movie, 'Over the Top']

The only real winner out there was Ron Paul (but only to his cult followers) and maybe John Huntsman (in the middle looking very sick of the whole proceeding) who was the only reasonably sane voice all night. So of course he hasn't a hope in heck for the nomination when the base is composed of people who make the Monster Raving Loonies look sane.

Come to think of it, the real winner was the President.

[Captain VXR]

Romney and Paul are the only two Republican candidates I'd consider voting for if I was American

[monadvspec]

I find US politics very disconcerting. From what we see here this Bachmann woman is married to a guy that claims he can cure people from being gay. He may be his own best patient. Sarah Palin? Here at home she is a laughing stock and it is hoped (prayed she will not win). She is so completely out her element. Clueless in everyway about politics and the rest of the world. What is it with the witch doctor? Two people from the same party with real serious issues. Perry I know nothing about except he seems sane and the best. Only issue he has is his stance on climate change. How can anyone with a brain not see there is something happening that did not occur with the same magnitude and frequency.
Obama is good. He has had tough battles to fight but, he forgot many issues he should have tackled. Torture being one of them. Swing voters could go with Perry because of this.

[markabilly]

Pe http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8197/perrypaulhuntsman.jpg
.

Perry: "I just wish I had my Ruger semi-automatic american made pistol. With this hand, I would have killed all you whimpy asses in this debate....I can not beleive you call youselves American..."

Ron Paul: "I can not beleive you are from Texas......"

Huntsman(in the middle): "I can not beleive i have made it this far..."

[markabilly]

http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/files/2011/09/rick-perry-vs-ron-paul-600x394.jpg (http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/files/2011/09/rick-perry-vs-ron-paul.jpg)


Perry: "what, you will not marry me?"

Ron: "Look, you are a nice guy, I am sure you will find another guy to love you more than I ever could....."

Perry: "That is it, you've gotten your last BJ from me. No more will I be Mr. Nice guy....

[markabilly]

http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/files/2011/09/rick-perry-vs-ron-paul-600x394.jpg (http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/files/2011/09/rick-perry-vs-ron-paul.jpg)


Paul: "but Gore...."

Perry: "but Gore nothing. So what if I supported Gore in 1988. You have no idea what he promised me.....but since then, I have seen the light and the error of my prior wicked ways. And I am telling you, the money is better on this side..yes, sir.....


Actually this photo is really just two fellow Texans from Texas discussing their preferences for eyeliner.....



did I mention that Perry was totally behind Gore in 1988......(no pun intended)



"I remember Rick Perry from that campaign. He was one of a number of Democratic legislators who endorsed my candidacy in 1988, and I was happy to have his support,” Gore said. “I don’t know what has happened to him since then.”



well, me neither, but my educated guess is it is green, just not the green that gore had in mind when he made his movie....



Al Gore says he was (http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2011/09/al-gore-says-he-was-happy-to-have-rick-perrys-support-in-1988/)

[Gregor-y]

It's just Texas politics. Personally I think we need less of it in the rest of the country these days.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2791/lbjkisses.jpg
Johnson was a pretty ruthless senator himself before becoming President.

The trick to success is finding a way to balance things out:
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1609/lbjandkennedy.jpg
The problem being there's no Republican that looks to have a chance of moderating the wackiness.

[ArrowsFA1]

The problem being there's no Republican that looks to have a chance of moderating the wackiness.
You can have Cameron :p :

[anthonyvop]

The problem being there's no Republican that looks to have a chance of moderating the wackiness.

Moderating?

It is the Liberal, Keynesian ideals embraced by the Republicans that has got us in the mess we are in!

The world needs a real Free Market Conservative in the White House ASAP!!!!

[Gregor-y]

You can have Cameron :p :
Thanks, no. Riots are the last thing we need at the moment.

[Captain VXR]

The problem being there's no Republican that looks to have a chance of moderating the wackiness.

Gary Johnson?
Supports gay marriage and marijuana legalisation, while keeping the bible belt happy with a pro life position?

[DBell]

I find US politics very disconcerting. From what we see here this Bachmann woman is married to a guy that claims he can cure people from being gay. He may be his own best patient. Sarah Palin? Here at home she is a laughing stock and it is hoped (prayed she will not win). She is so completely out her element. Clueless in everyway about politics and the rest of the world. What is it with the witch doctor? Two people from the same party with real serious issues. Perry I know nothing about except he seems sane and the best. Only issue he has is his stance on climate change. How can anyone with a brain not see there is something happening that did not occur with the same magnitude and frequency.
Obama is good. He has had tough battles to fight but, he forgot many issues he should have tackled. Torture being one of them. Swing voters could go with Perry because of this.

Palin is a laughing stock here to most. She has her group of fanatical supporters, but she has no chance to win the Presidency even if she decides to run. Bachmann also has no chance. These types get some play in the media with their sound bites early on, but they disappear quickly once the campaigning gets more serious. If you take some time to learn more about Perry, you'll probably be more worried than you are now about Palin and Bachmann. I wouldn't put the word sane and Perry together unless "in" is put in front of and attached to sane.

[Bob Riebe]

Palin is a laughing stock here to most. She has her group of fanatical supporters, but she has no chance to win the Presidency even if she decides to run. Bachmann also has no chance. These types get some play in the media with their sound bites early on, but they disappear quickly once the campaigning gets more serious. If you take some time to learn more about Perry, you'll probably be more worried than you are now about Palin and Bachmann. I wouldn't put the word sane and Perry together unless "in" is put in front of and attached to sane.Most being whom?

I assume you have proof for your rhetoric, other than your own opinion.

[Roamy]

Palin is a laughing stock here to most. She has her group of fanatical supporters, but she has no chance to win the Presidency even if she decides to run. Bachmann also has no chance. These types get some play in the media with their sound bites early on, but they disappear quickly once the campaigning gets more serious. If you take some time to learn more about Perry, you'll probably be more worried than you are now about Palin and Bachmann. I wouldn't put the word sane and Perry together unless "in" is put in front of and attached to sane.

So based on Perry's statement on illegal immigration I have written him off. Romey is a poser and not worthy. I think probably Bachmann will get the nod as a VP candidate.

[555-04Q2]

We can send you our Malema if you want. We would even pay off your national debt to take him :p :

[Dave B]

You've got 300,000,000 people in your country. Are these jokers seriously the best candidates you could scrape up?

Not being able to produce a competitive F1 driver for a generation, or being incapable of brewing drinkable beer: that I can just about understand. But you must have someone who's capable of running for office without being a laughing stock, surely.

[chuck34]

or being incapable of brewing drinkable beer:

Have you gone outside the "macro" breweries? There are many, many fine and tasty micro breweries, and many of them are getting bigger and better all the time. Bell's, Founders, Sierra Nevada, Flying Dog, just to name a few.

[Gregor-y]

Bells has only recently gotten distribution in my area and it's very good, though I've had a few small 'limited' offerings from Goose Island that are also quite pleasant.

As for F1 drivers in a generation, the last I remember was Eddie Cheever who by the mid 80s wasn't much of a threat. Being a two Honda family at the time we were generally rooting for Mansell, Prost or Senna.

[Captain VXR]

We can send you our Malema if you want. We would even pay off your national debt to take him :p :

Can't we just exile that racist idiot to his beloved inspirational country, Zimbabwe, and ban him from leaving?
Don't want to be in the same hemisphere as him.

[DBell]

Bells has only recently gotten distribution in my area and it's very good, though I've had a few small 'limited' offerings from Goose Island that are also quite pleasant.

As for F1 drivers in a generation, the last I remember was Eddie Cheever who by the mid 80s wasn't much of a threat. Being a two Honda family at the time we were generally rooting for Mansell, Prost or Senna.

You're forgeting Michael Andretti, for one season, and Scott Speed.

[Gregor-y]

You're forgeting Michael Andretti, for one season, and Scott Speed.
I'm not forgetting; I'm choosing to ignore... ;)

[anthonyvop]

You've got 300,000,000 people in your country. Are these jokers seriously the best candidates you could scrape up?

Not being able to produce a competitive F1 driver for a generation, or being incapable of brewing drinkable beer: that I can just about understand. But you must have someone who's capable of running for office without being a laughing stock, surely.

Sorry about Obama....We will get it right next time.

[anthonyvop]

Gary Johnson?
Supports gay marriage and marijuana legalisation, while keeping the bible belt happy with a pro life position?

Gary Johnson got a check from me.

Sad thing is the Media refuse to even mention him because they fear him and his politics.

[Mark in Oshawa]

You've got 300,000,000 people in your country. Are these jokers seriously the best candidates you could scrape up?

Not being able to produce a competitive F1 driver for a generation, or being incapable of brewing drinkable beer: that I can just about understand. But you must have someone who's capable of running for office without being a laughing stock, surely.

Drinkable beer they are figuring out..just stay way from the big breweries, F1? They don't really give a damn and what is more, the Euro Weenies that run f1 think Americans cant drive anyhow. Never mind they thought Andretti was a bum when he first showed up, they dismissed Phil Hill at first, thought nothing of Gurney....so nothing really has changed.

But aah. politics. On this one, I have always felt the GOP has been very good at shooting themselves in the foot. A blunt, populist with moderate views on some hot button topics would likely win in a walk. Look no further than Reagan in how he was successful in getting elected. Reagan was on many issues moderate right. He was for less government but he had compassion. He believed in self reliance, and he respected religion, but he didn't shove it on anyone and was secular in his governence. The GOP cant find a guy with that sort of balance. Or woman. They keep careening back and forth with flawed candidate after flawed candidate. Christie in New Jersey would win....if he could win a state that is always voting in Democrats, he could win at large, but a large part of the GOP keeps insisting their President should read the Bible, outlaw abortion and kick all the hispanics out. They don't REPRESENT what the GOP is, no more than the communistic morons like Noam Chomsky define the Democrats...but they are driving the bus to a point. Hence emotionally brittle whack jobs like Bachmann get attention. Perry is one of those guys when I didn't know much about him impressed me. Since he has started talking more, I realize I don't trust the guy.....but alas, I am not an American, I just live across the lake from them....so I will eat my popcorn and watch the show...

[555-04Q2]

Can't we just exile that racist idiot to his beloved inspirational country, Zimbabwe, and ban him from leaving?
Don't want to be in the same hemisphere as him.

No, Zimbabwe is still too close too us :p : Maybe send him to the moon :?: ;)