Rally Finland 2011

[Hartusvuori]

Ok. RG 1 is out.

22 stages - 3 stages on Thursday. 8 on Friday and 11 on Saturday. Will have to take a look at the maps, but judging by the stage names at least 9 stages are new compared to last year.

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/kilpailijat/

Thursday
SS 1 Lankamaa 24,00 km 17:13
SS 2 Laukaa 11,82 km 18:16
SS 3 Laajavuori 1 4,19 km 20:00


Friday
SS 4 Hassi 20,90 km 9:00
SS 5 Evo 8,10 km 11:03
SS 6 Hyväneula 1 29,80 km 11:53
remote service Lahti
SS 7 Koukunmaa 13,30 km 14:59
SS 8 Koivukehä 18,40 km 15:37
SS 9 Hyväneula 2 29,80 km 16:20
SS 10 Jokimaa 2,00 km 18:00
SS 11 Mynnilä 12,10 km 19:46


Saturday
SS 12 Leustu 1 21,35 km 7:33
SS 13 Surkee 1 14,70 km 8:35
SS 14 Urria 1 12,75 km 9:30
SS 15 Jukojärvi 1 14,00 km 10:30
SS 16 Isojärvi 1 5,00 km 10:55
SS 17 Laajavuori 2 4,19 km 12:08
service
SS 18 Leustu 2 21,35 km 14:04
SS 19 Surkee 2 14,70 km 15:06
SS 20 Urria 2 12,75 km 16:01
SS 21 Jukojärvi 2 14,00 km 17:01
SS 22 Isojärvi 2 (Power Stage) 5,00 km 18:08


Totals 314,20 ss-kms.


Shakedown at Ruuhimäki!

[Hartusvuori]

Talks of dramatical changes to the route weren't just talks this time. Friday is pretty much completely new day for the modern Rally Finland. Of course some of the stages has been used before, but that's like in the mid 80s. This will mean serious recceing for a spectator like me. Shakedown at Ruuhimäki - had a dream about that last year. It'll be crowded at the j***s. Long liasons for Friday as well if started at Hassi stage. First car at 9.00?! Had Loeb got his wishes through at last? Saturday is all on the well-known 2000s stages, sadly and as only one negative thing about the schedule Himos stage won't be driven. I've always liked that one.

If there'll be some frustration addressed from the city of Jyväskylä, I can understand that. They get practically zero action on Friday (no service, closest stage 60 kms south). But hey - these changes are warmly welcomed.

Thursday
SS 1 Lankamaa 24,00 km 17:13 0,00 (SSS) – 24,00 as SS 6 in 2010
SS 2 Laukaa 11,82 km 18:16 Same as SS 3 in 2006
SS 3 Laajavuori 1 4,19 km 20:00 same as 2010

Friday
SS 4 Hassi 20,90 km 9:00 mostly new
SS 5 Evo 8,10 km 11:03 new
SS 6 Hyväneula 1 29,80 km 11:53 new
remote service Lahti
SS 7 Koukunmaa 13,30 km 14:59 new
SS 8 Koivukehä 18,40 km 15:37 new
SS 9 Hyväneula 2 29,80 km 16:20 new
SS 10 Jokimaa 2,00 km 18:00 new
SS 11 Mynnilä 12,10 km 19:46 new


Saturday
SS 12 Leustu 1 21,35 km 7:33 same as 2010
SS 13 Surkee 1 14,70 km 8:35 mostly same as 2010
SS 14 Urria 1 12,75 km 9:30 same as 2010
SS 15 Jukojärvi 1 14,00 km 10:30 0,00 (SSS) – 14,00 as SS 3/5 in 2010
SS 16 Isojärvi 1 5,00 km 10:55 17,29 – 22,29 (SSF) as SS 3/5 in 2010
SS 17 Laajavuori 2 4,19 km 12:08 same as 2010
service
SS 18 Leustu 2 21,35 km 14:04 same as 2010
SS 19 Surkee 2 14,70 km 15:06 mostly same as 2010
SS 20 Urria 2 12,75 km 16:01 same as 2010
SS 21 Jukojärvi 2 14,00 km 17:01 0,00 (SSS) – 14,00 as SS 3/5 in 2010
SS 22 Isojärvi 2 (Power Stage) 5,00 km 18:08 17,29 – 22,29 (SSF) as SS 3/5 in 2010

[Rallyper]

I´m so excited!!! :hot:

This is really something!

My only confusing is Ruhimäki starting 400m from gocart track and also ending nearby. Don´t get the road there.

[Hartusvuori]

My only confusing is Ruhimäki starting 400m from gocart track and also ending nearby. Don´t get the road there.

Not sure about Ruuhimäki stage, but I think/hope it's about the same as the format used for PSD shootout in 2009. Anyone with better info?

[emk]

Yep sounds like the shakedown will be the stage used in Pirelli Shootout. From Go-kart track its about 300-400m to the "normal" Ruuhimäki stage, the junction is at the corner where Rovanperä rolled 307 few years ago. And the regular stage finish is that 400meters away from the track, there's lots of small roads at that area.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=fi&geocode=&q=Lievestuore,+Laukaa,+Suomi&aq=0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=66.02731,101.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Laukaa,+Lievestuore,+Suomi&ll=62.232895,26.155014&spn=0.009697,0.024784&z=16

About in the center of that is the go-kart track, it doesn't have exact address.

[emk]

With satellite view you can see the track which will be the service area for shakedown:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Tuntematon+tie&daddr=Ruuhim%C3%A4entie+to:Tuntematon+tie+to:Tunte maton+tie&geocode=FWyYtQMdUS6PAQ%3BFZK5tQMd0tmOAQ%3BFce9tQMd mOyOAQ%3BFcuptQMdFwyPAQ&hl=fi&mra=dme&mrsp=3&sz=15&sll=62.235594,26.157203&sspn=0.019392,0.049567&ie=UTF8&t=f&z=15&ecpose=62.235594,26.157203,2351.93,-6.28,0,0

And the route could be something like that.

[satnav]

Hi all , i`m thinking of maybe coming to Rally Finland this year , any advice you folks could give me would be very much appreciated ref accomadition , stages etc.
I would be flying into Helsinki if all goes to plan on the Wednesday.

[Salist]

Official documents:

Itineraries: http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2011-02-25T09-14-09253.pdf
Maps: http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2011-02-25T09-15-09253.pdf

[tfp]

My favourite rally of the year, cant wait for this one!

[A.F.F.]

F**k what amount of driving......

[DonJippo]

F**k what amount of driving......

Not really if you skip Thursday...Friday morning a drive to Lahti area then night in Korpilahti and Saturday after stages back home to Hanaböle.

[Juha_Koo]

This is awesome. :D

There's really massive amounts of spectator recce to do. Well, I definately don't complain, the route seems magnificient.

This might be the second year in my NORF history (1993-2010) which recquires overnight camping in the forest. Usually it's been possible and made sense to return to home after every day (exl. 2009 Sunday when I went to Myhinpää on Saturday night and slept there due to the long distance). Now because of the long distances it's really not worth driving back and forth. Just wondering how many cars will be needed to transport ~6 people, equipment and all the food etc. Time to start thinking about a minivan/camper van... :)

Okay, July, come here. Now. :D

[Hartusvuori]

This might be the second year in my NORF history (1993-2010) which recquires overnight camping in the forest.

Why would you need to do so? You mean for Friday to Saturday night? Friday will be long in all aspects, but so what, it's only once a year. If I consider camping for this event, it must be for Ruuhimäki jumps at shakedown...

[A.F.F.]

Not really if you skip Thursday...Friday morning a drive to Lahti area then night in Korpilahti and Saturday after stages back home to Hanaböle.

Yep.... all that with Pino sitting right next to you..... :p :

[Rallyper]

So, Hartusvuori, or anyone else, any suggestion where to camp wednesday evening at Ruuhimäki? Would be really nice to meet up everyone here, have chat and a beer the night before shakedown. :beer:

Best is to camp so close you dont have to drive early in the morning... ; )

[Juha_Koo]

Why would you need to do so? You mean for Friday to Saturday night? Friday will be long in all aspects, but so what, it's only once a year. If I consider camping for this event, it must be for Ruuhimäki jumps at shakedown...

Good point. Actually when taking a closer look at the maps, I think my initial idea wasn't the best one. Because on Saturday the stages move up north and we ofcourse follow. So you're right.

For some reason my father isn't very enthusiastic about the southern stages. He says that there's been security problems in Lahti area in the past. But hasn't Historic Rally been totally okay and with no problems with fights etc? I guess he's just getting old. :D

[A.F.F.]

How many spectators come to watch Historic Cars with Estonian flag, horn and suitcase full of beer... and another one consumed on the way to the stage?

[pino]

Yep.... all that with Pino sitting right next to you..... :p :

I am only waiting your OK to book my flights ;)

[Tomi]

I am only waiting your OK to book my flights ;)

I tought you had moved to Ouninpohja by now already?

[OldF]

So, Hartusvuori, or anyone else, any suggestion where to camp wednesday evening at Ruuhimäki? Would be really nice to meet up everyone here, have chat and a beer the night before shakedown. :beer:

Best is to camp so close you dont have to drive early in the morning... ; )

There is a camping that is about 7,5 km away from the junction to Ruuhimäentie. The camping is not any fancy one. There are two kinds of cottages but the smaller ones reminded more of a shed than a cottage. All the toilets and showers are in a separate building.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Tauluntie+83,+Toivakka,+Suomi&daddr=62.221004,26.1579636+to:Ruuhim%C3%A4entie&geocode=FR-wtAMdrK2PASn5R8S3umuFRjEa8pan_eE4fA%3BFcxqtQMdiyOP ASlBa0kLomyFRjFwhskK1kYBEw%3BFeKTtQMdtv2OAQ&hl=fi&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=13&via=1&sll=62.222596,26.141796&sspn=0.0352,0.169086&ie=UTF8&ll=62.20395,26.146088&spn=0.070444,0.338173&z=12

[pino]

I tought you had moved to Ouninpohja by now already?

I would have if I had a place to stay :p :

[Rallyper]

Anything new on NORF guys? I´ve booked ferry (VL) from Stockholm to Helsinki tuesday evening btw. Home on Saturday evening frpn Åbo to Sthlm with VL.

[Camelopard]

Anything new on NORF guys? I´ve booked ferry (VL) from Stockholm to Helsinki tuesday evening btw. Home on Saturday evening frpn Åbo to Sthlm with VL.


I'm making my plans to go to Finland as well, hopefully also to fit in with the Midnight Sun Rally. http://www.midnattssolsrallyt.com/utv/

[Hartusvuori]

Anything new on NORF guys?

Nothing official at least. As for Lahti Historic Rally, organization put out a rumour that there might be at least one 037 on the entry list, for the first time in Finland since - forever.

[Rallyper]

I'm making my plans to go to Finland as well, hopefully also to fit in with the Midnight Sun Rally. http://www.midnattssolsrallyt.com/utv/

You´ll have email later today.

Btw welcome to the midnightsun rally 2011 between july the13th and 16th, with at least two Stratos....

http://www.resultatservice.com/anml/anml_bottom.html look att "Anmälningslistor" and then Midnattssolsrallyt 2011

[Camelopard]

You´ll have email later today.

Btw welcome to the midnightsun rally 2011 between july the13th and 16th, with at least two Stratos....

http://www.resultatservice.com/anml/anml_bottom.html look att "Anmälningslistor" and then Midnattssolsrallyt 2011

Can't wait! It will 27 years since I was last in Finland and the last time I went to 1000 lakes was in 1976! I still have the T-Shirt.

[A.F.F.]

Can't wait! It will 27 years since I was last in Finland and the last time I went to 1000 lakes was in 1976! I still have the T-Shirt.

It's about frigging time :D Welcome !

[Barreis]

Let we all hope that french flag will win. :D

[N.O.T]

Let we all hope that french flag will win. :D

hmmmm not in a straight fight.

[A.F.F.]

Let we all hope that french flag will win. :D

Let's not :)

[pino]

Flights, accomodation and a driver...booked :p :

[J4MIE]

I won't be in Finland this year but hope everyone enjoys it and avoids putting their tent up in car turning areas.... ;)

[pino]

I won't be in Finland this year but hope everyone enjoys it and avoids putting their tent up in car turning areas.... ;)

Mate you need to get over it and give it a new try ;)

[Tomi]

Flights, accomodation and a driver...booked :p :

If your driver happens to have a navigator you better stop at first possible lake and throw it there ;)

[pino]

If your driver happens to have a navigator you better stop at first possible lake and throw it there ;)

I will be the navigator so we won't get lost...maybe ;) Any chances we can share a beer paisá ? :D

[Tomi]

Any chances we can share a beer paisá ? :D

Much possible paisá, it's been a while, it would be nice to meet

[pino]

Much possible paisá, it's been a while, it would be nice to meet

Look forward :beer:

[Camelopard]

I'm cheating again, I'm going with Per Carlsson's Rally Travels, that way I don't get lost, don't have to worry about pitching my tent in the wrong place, I just have to make sure that I set the alarm correctly!

[A.F.F.]

Flights, accomodation and a driver...booked :p :

Accomodation booked for two nights. Great chance to listen Maamme-laulu at HQ saturday evening ;)

[Barreis]

Let's not :)
Finally good Finn. :D

[Hartusvuori]

PGA planning a return to Finland in Fiesta WRC: http://www.wrc.com/news/andersson-targets-finland-wrc-return/?fid=14726


“We’ve reserved the car for Finland so we’re working on finding the budget but it’s the whole budget more or less that is needed so it won’t be easy.”

[Juha_Koo]

Only about ten weeks to go. :D

[J.Lindstroem]

I have big hopes for him. I think he can win the whole thing!!!!!!

[DonJippo]

I have big hopes for him. I think he can win the whole thing!!!!!!

Wake up, no chances for PGA to win.

[J.Lindstroem]

Wake up, no chances for PGA to win.

I know. Its hard to be sarcastic in written language, hehe. He will probably crash each day and pick up 5 punctures or something. And of course blame it on unluck.

He should quit.

[donlorean]

Todays local newspaper in Jyväskylä told that Laajavuori 2 is power stage and it starts 7.11 pm on saturday. Clerk of the cource Kai Tarkiainen said that its easier for tv-crew to cover all stage in Laajavuori. Thats why they change it. Othervise stages are same than original RG1.

Entry opens next monday and they publish final regulations also...

[Hartusvuori]

Todays local newspaper in Jyväskylä told that Laajavuori 2 is power stage and it starts 7.11 pm on saturday. Clerk of the cource Kai Tarkiainen said that its easier for tv-crew to cover all stage in Laajavuori. Thats why they change it. Othervise stages are same than original RG1.

Entry opens next monday and they publish final regulations also...

So there's bit of downtime for midday Saturday now that Laajavuori 2 moves to the end of the day. On the other, maybe I could try and make it to Laajavuori after all - or not.

[Rallyper]

I know. Its hard to be sarcastic in written language, hehe. He will probably crash each day and pick up 5 punctures or something. And of course blame it on unluck.

He should quit.

You dont like PG do you?

[J.Lindstroem]

I like him, ive been a big supporter ever since 2003 when he drove rally finland in the Clio. But man i have been waiting for the big break through for so long so i start wondering if it ever will come.

Everytime he starts i hope for something great, but every time im dissapointed.

[tfp]

I like him, ive been a big supporter ever since 2003 when he drove rally finland in the Clio. But man i have been waiting for the big break through for so long so i start wondering if it ever will come.

Everytime he starts i hope for something great, but every time im dissapointed.

Fair comment, he reminds me a little bit of Latvala when he first started off, all speed, no consistency. PG definetly shouldn't quit, if he was to "mature" as a driver, I think we could see great things from him.

[Rallyper]

Fair comment, he reminds me a little bit of Latvala when he first started off, all speed, no consistency. PG definetly shouldn't quit, if he was to "mature" as a driver, I think we could see great things from him.

The thing is PG didnt ever had so much chance to drive and test as Mr Latval ever did. Believe me!

I´ve been helping JML to recover his front in NORF when he´d crashed his Toyota some years ago and know very well how many chances he´s got compared to PG.

So let´s give PG a fair chance even if it´s not gonna be a much test drivin as JML and we´ll see a driver who is well at the level as the fastest in WRC. You should know that before you give your comments. Give PG a break and let´s see.

[Hartusvuori]

Rally regulations published:
EN: http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2011-05-23T15-34-00253.pdf
FIN: http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2011-05-23T15-27-40253.pdf

Includes also the updated itinerary and recce timetable. They'll run on Michelin soft compound and DMACK medium compound.

[tfp]

The thing is PG didnt ever had so much chance to drive and test as Mr Latval ever did. Believe me!

I´ve been helping JML to recover his front in NORF when he´d crashed his Toyota some years ago and know very well how many chances he´s got compared to PG.

So let´s give PG a fair chance even if it´s not gonna be a much test drivin as JML and we´ll see a driver who is well at the level as the fastest in WRC. You should know that before you give your comments. Give PG a break and let´s see.

Diddn't mean that comment to be offensive :)
And to be fair, its not as if JML has never had a accident or two in testing :p As long as he keeps it to the testing and not in the actual rallies! :)

[Hartusvuori]

Red Bull got permission to organize a street show in Helsinki downtown on Sunday 24th July, prior to Rally Finland. Kimi Räikkönen and Sebastien Loeb will appear in DS3 WRCs.

Red Bull vahvisti: Räikkönen ja Loeb ajavat Helsingin keskustassa - MTV3.fi - Urheilu - Ralli - Uutiset (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2011/06/1346010/red-bull-vahvisti-raikkonen-ja-loeb-ajavat-helsingin-keskustassa)

[Hartusvuori]

Entries are coming in slowly. Prokop and three Minis were first, now also Petter. Actually Fabrizio de Sanctis were the first, for his 26th consecutive (http://translate.google.fi/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fyle.fi%2Falueet%2Fkeski-suomi%2Fsuomen_mm_ralli%2F2010%2F07%2Fitalialainen _arkkitehti_tekee_historiaa_jyvaskylan_mm-rallissa_1866052.html&act=url) Rally Finland! You can see the list from here (https://kiti.akk-motorsport.fi/modules/system/stdreq.aspx?P=1&VID=default&SID=426459631119142&A=open%3akiti%3aregistration_listclasses%3a254953% 2cset%3asession.l9%3aregistration_listclasses&S=2&C=54526).

Also entries for the Lahti Historic Rally can be seen from here (https://kiti.akk-motorsport.fi/modules/system/stdreq.aspx?P=1&VID=default&SID=426459631119142&A=open%3akiti%3aregistration_listclasses%3a254963% 2cset%3asession.l9%3aregistration_listclasses&S=2&C=54529). The rumoured 037 is there.

[Barreis]

There's no list on that link above.

[bluuford]

There's no list on that link above.

Click Kilpailut, choose NORF and then form the left menu choose: Ilmoittautuneet

[Barreis]

Thank you very much. Now it works.

[Rallisauna]

For those who are coming to Finland or just otherwise are interested, here is a time-lapse video from the rally's host city Jyväskylä: YouTube - ‪28 hours in Jyväskylä (28 tuntia Jyväskylässä)‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5oYtkIPqnc)
There are even some NORF-banners at 2.04 and a Rally Meal-sign at 3.40 in the right side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5oYtkIPqnc

[N.O.T]

very nice promo for the city.

[pantealex]

29 entries at the moment (Loeb and Ogier are in)
Many russians in "old N"

[pantealex]

35 entries
7 WRC (4mini+3citroen)
2 R4 Mitsubishi X and for the first time we will see R4 in SWRC because as a serie leader in FC Juha Salo has wild card/guest entry for this Rally.
Entries will close at monday.

[Hartusvuori]

Antonio Sainz, brother of Carlos, has made an entry for Lahti Historic in an Escort.

[Hartusvuori]

35 entries
7 WRC (4mini+3citroen)
2 R4 Mitsubishi X and for the first time we will see R4 in SWRC because as a serie leader in FC Juha Salo has wild card/guest entry for this Rally.
Entries will close at monday.

Is wildcard decided on who's leading the FRC at the moment? So had Lindroos not overshoot the first junction at Lapua he would've had it....? I hope he'll get an entry to NORF, propably will.

[Hartusvuori]

One office day hours left for entries to NORF. On Monday morning it's 93 entries, with 15 WRC and 13 S2000s/R4s so far. Nikara is in with his Evo IX. No surprises yet, but I guess we know during the day. Some names that are still missing: Räikkönen, Henning, PGA (?), Ketomaa, Rantanen, Lindroos, VW/Skoda team, Sandell (?), ...

Brynildssen is in - was he supposed to do Finland in the first place or had his plans changed?

[Hartusvuori]

Matti Rantanen in WRC but "tba tba"...

[HarriK]

Lindroos maybe with new car....

Korhonen&Korhonen in Fiesta R2.
Pajunen R3 clio.
Pinomäki R2 Twingo (pajunen and pinomäki "changed" the cars from FRC)

edit:
Henning is in also!

[Hartusvuori]

Ketomaa in Stobart Fiesta WRC!

EDIT: P-G in Subaru R4.

[N.O.T]

Hard work for the citroen boys to hold on to their 3-4 positions with such a lineup of locals with WRC...Rantanen is a small fish but Ketomaa a very serious threat if he manages not to crash.

[Barreis]

R4 is too good car for PGA.

[N.O.T]

We can finally see if the R4 category is worth the money and time spent...

[focus206]

Is Matthew Wilson on the entry list? :D He said that after Acropolis his program was unknown...

[Hartusvuori]

Is Matthew Wilson on the entry list? :D He said that after Acropolis his program was unknown...

He is.

[N.O.T]

pppfffttttt.....disgrace.

[Luis Pacheco]

Entry list so far
https://kiti.akk-motorsport.fi/modules/system/stdreq.aspx?P=1&VID=default&SID=426459631119142&A=open%3akiti%3aregistration_listclasses%3a254953% 2cset%3asession.l9%3aregistration_listclasses&S=2&C=54526

[HarriK]

ketomaa in stobart fiesta wrc!

.


i like!!!!!!!!! :)

[donlorean]

114 and entry is closed. Still some names missing from that list... I think that they'll update it in the morning...

[Jeppe]

119 competitors in 19:00 EET and there is still few more to come...

Biggest surprise so far is Joonas Lindroos with Skoda Fabia S2000 and entry is made by Volkswagen Motorsport!!!!!

[HarriK]

Yes, Joonas with Mikkelssen. Good fight is coming!

Still missing Therman i guess...

and 120 now and there it is!
Therman Mattias RoiUA Perälä Janne ALTITeam Therminator Mini John Cooper Works WRC

and :
Tuohino Janne KR-TEAM RY Pietiläinen Risto FCDA Tuohino Janne Ford Fiesta WRC

and one maybe fast R2:
Tukiainen Tomi KeurUA Kärmeniemi Pekka KeurUA tukiainen tomi Citroen C2 R2

[Hartusvuori]

Biggest surprise so far is Joonas Lindroos with Skoda Fabia S2000 and entry is made by Volkswagen Motorsport!!!!!

I'll tie my fingers crossed until the rally ends! This is huge!

[pantealex]

21 x WRC (Tuohino with Fiesta is latest)

still missing
PWRC: Gröndal (or his team entry, Jussi Tiippana maybe?)
Academy: Brunello, van der Madel and Ward

[Hartusvuori]

What is max number of entries? 110? Or less? With Lahti Historic timetable must be an issue this year.

[tfp]

Lets hope for a 1-2 for the blue oval here :)

[donlorean]

What is max number of entries? 110? Or less? With Lahti Historic timetable must be an issue this year.

There was nothing about it in regulations and I realy hope that they don't have to eliminate any entries. Lahti Historic is one problem but biggest one is that hotel construction site in service park. SP is very much smaller than last year...

[Hartusvuori]

There was nothing about it in regulations and I realy hope that they don't have to eliminate any entries. Lahti Historic is one problem but biggest one is that hotel construction site in service park. SP is very much smaller than last year...

I looked through regs as well. Nothing. But this year the repeated stages aren't so close to each other as they were last year, so perhaps even with Lahti Historic they are able to take all the entered crews in.

[RS]

I thought there were going to be three VW Fabia S2000s?

Mikkelsen seems to be firmly in VAGs radar now...

[speedy57]

Is there any news about Kimi's participation?
kimi raikkonen crashes a downhill car // illustrations // Petri Suni (http://www.sun-i.com/illustrations/kimi-raikkonen.html)

-speedy-ou-

[Hartusvuori]

Is there any news about Kimi's participation?
kimi raikkonen crashes a downhill car // illustrations // Petri Suni (http://www.sun-i.com/illustrations/kimi-raikkonen.html)

-speedy-ou-

His name is on the list.

https://kiti.akk-motorsport.fi/modules/system/stdreq.aspx?P=1&VID=default&SID=876426964869864&A=open%3akiti%3aregistration_listclasses%3a254953% 2cset%3asession.l9%3aregistration_listclasses&S=2&C=62823

[Barreis]

Lets hope for a 1-2 for the blue oval here :)

Don't think so.

[cali]

I'll tie my fingers crossed until the rally ends! This is huge!
Tänak, Hänninen and Nasser will be there as well. Going to be very competitive race now. Like you said, it's gonna be huge :)

[Hartusvuori]

Tänak, Hänninen and Nasser will be there as well. Going to be very competitive race now. Like you said, it's gonna be huge :)

Of course S2000 victory will be decided between Ott and Juho, but I'll hope Joonas will be able to show some of the potential he holds. Last year he made old N4 scratch times, perhaps a few top times this year also. It's his first race in S2000 so it's unrealistic to expect a stronghold over experienced drivers like Juho.

Ott and Juho's battle will be huge - it'll decide the difference of machinery on gravel.

[Tomi]

Of course S2000 victory will be decided between Ott and Juho, but I'll hope Joonas will be able to show some of the potential he holds. Last year he made old N4 scratch times, perhaps a few top times this year also. It's his first race in S2000 so it's unrealistic to expect a stronghold over experienced drivers like Juho.

Ott and Juho's battle will be huge - it'll decide the difference of machinery on gravel.

Lindroos has still too few international starts, but it will be nice to see how he manages, Ketomaa I think might show a few good stagetimes and should get a top 5 finish.

[Mirek]

The month will be soo long to wait :D

[Barreis]

+1

[RS]

Don't think the WRC list is that amazing but the 2 works Minis and Ketomaa should be interesting. Really one of the Ford boys ought to be able to win this one, they were good in previous years and the Fiesta is surely better than the Focus. I think Ketomaa will do more than a few good times but the question is whether he can finish the event without problems or errors.

S2000 should be interesting. Hanninen is at home but the Ford has seemed quicker on gravel recently. I thought Gardemeister would drive here?

[pettersolberg29]

Of course S2000 victory will be decided between Ott and Juho

I really rate Tanak, but I think Hanninen in Finland is a stronger driver. I'd say Tanak and Mikkelsen will fight for 2nd, and maybe Nasser and Lindroos will battle near the top if anyone hits trouble. Whatever happens I can't wait for it - the Minis back, Ketomaa in a WRC car and Ford + Ogier needing to win...should be good.

[bluuford]

The month will be soo long to wait :D

Luckily my birthday is in between and you can come earlier and make one stop in Auto24 South Estonian Rally (after-party of my birthday in other words):-) Good warm up for Finland, for some drivers (currently approximately 20 teams in entry list are the same as in NORF) and for spectators as well :-) 14th of July shakedown, 15-16 July competition. Will be there and enjoying!
Rally Estonia 2011 (http://www.rallyestonia.com)

[Mirek]

Unfortunately I can't spend all the rest of my days off in July ;)

[Mirek]

I thought Gardemeister would drive here?

I think it's due to Hankook being main sponsor. Their tyres can't be used in WRC events.

[Juha_Koo]

Very nice. Damn, can't wait. :)

[Tomi]

Looks like Ketomaa could choose between Ford and Mini, good choise.

[RS]

I think it's due to Hankook being main sponsor. Their tyres can't be used in WRC events.

I thought that from this year tyres were free, or do they have to be registered with FIA still?

[Mirek]

They are "free" but must be made under specific regulations and registered before season. only Michelin and DMack did so.

[Rallyper]

I paid my booked ferryticket today. Helsinki on wednesday morning and then some recce around Lahti before going up to Jyväskylä and feeling the atmosphere around HQ/SP. Then camping at Ruhimäki the night before shakedown. It´s gonna be a hard three days!! Can´t wait.

[HarriK]

I'm waiting also anxious this race! only 2 days and first tests are beginning!
Then i'm maybe also mechanican in Estonia auto24-rally. So it's propably all my summer holiday pure RACE! (and my girlfriend doesn't like that maybe... :D )

[Hartusvuori]

Rantanen is been connected to a Mini drive, but the source (http://translate.google.fi/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportti.com%2Fuutinen.asp%3FCAT %3D1-2%26ID%3D198580&act=url) is something you cite without thinking it twice. Let's wait and see then.

[MJW]

What about Nasser Al Attayah? both VW Motorsport entries are Joonas Lindroos and Andreas Mikkelsen, I thought it was supposed to be a 3 car team, even when learning with the Skoda's

[NikoP]

Rantanen is on the entry list with Mini :)

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2011-06-28T13-22-22253.pdf

Salo and Lindroos are the wild card entries in SWRC and Riku Tahko and Mikko Pajunen in PWRC.

[Jeppe]

WRC Finland wild cards for Finnish drivers goes for:
S2000 Joonas Lindroos (2) and Juha Salo (2)
PWRC Riku Tahko (3) and Mikko Pajunen (5)

[kobefly]

WRC Entries
1) Loeb [Citroen]
2) Ogier [Citroen]
3) Hirvonen [Ford]
4) Latvala [Ford]
5) Wilson [Ford]
6) Ostberg [Ford]
8) Raikkonen [Citroen]
9) Kuipers, D [Ford]
10) Al-Qassimi [Ford]
11) Solberg, P. [Citroen]
12) Oliveira [Mini]
15) Solberg, H. [Ford]
16) Novikov [Ford]
17) Araujo [Mini]
18) Rantanen [Mini]
19) Ketomaa [Ford]
20) Tuohino [Ford]
37) Sordo [Mini]
51) Therman [Mini]
52) Meeke [Mini]
53) Kuipers, R [Ford]

[Jeppe]

still missing
PWRC: Gröndal (or his team entry, Jussi Tiippana maybe?)

Well, it was not Jussi Tiippana... But Jarkko Nikara will drive with Bilbutikken AS World Rally Team´s entry

[Hartusvuori]

PGA is the only one with Impreza R4. Does that have anything to do with TMR (entry is on PGA's though) or is Tommi Mäkinen Racing absent from this year's edition?

[HarriK]

PGA is the only one with Impreza R4. Does that have anything to do with TMR (entry is on PGA's though) or is Tommi Mäkinen Racing absent from this year's edition?

It's TMR's car.

[MTA]

Can anyone of our Finnish forum members answer if you can buy a prepaid phone card for example at a petrol station in order to follow the rally from the phone better.
It is primarily data traffic that I'm interested in.

What should I choose if there are different and what does it cost?

[Barreis]

Lookin' for MINI's performance on GP of Finland. Will forum members have some deal for spectating together?

[Juha_Koo]

Can anyone of our Finnish forum members answer if you can buy a prepaid phone card for example at a petrol station in order to follow the rally from the phone better.
It is primarily data traffic that I'm interested in.

What should I choose if there are different and what does it cost?

AFAIK atleast Saunalahti provides prepaid "mobile broadband" service but I believe it comes with a USB internet stick.... It's 39 euros, it's designed for a month, no other limitations.

[MTA]

I was going to have it in my smart phone during the rally so you can have a bit of an eye on results and news.

It is so amazingly expensive if I use my Swedish SIM card. Would guess that I will manage with a prepaid card which is loaded with about 10 eur / 100 mb during the rally.

[AMSS]

I was going to have it in my smart phone during the rally so you can have a bit of an eye on results and news.

It is so amazingly expensive if I use my Swedish SIM card. Would guess that I will manage with a prepaid card which is loaded with about 10 eur / 100 mb during the rally.

Go to one R-Kioski their white and blue colored and ask there, they should have what your looking for!

[Hartusvuori]

I was going to have it in my smart phone during the rally so you can have a bit of an eye on results and news.

FM radio will do if you don't need a list of times in front of you. Rally Finland's rally radio is really good - with English updates all the time.

[MTA]

Radio is a must as it is very good in Finland. It's not just the Internet that I want to access but also make less expensive to call in the group I'm traveling with (with the memory of last year's bill in mind).

Are there any gas stations that sell these prepayd cards when we have it a bit stressful from the ferry and up and will not have time to look around so much?

[Hartusvuori]

Are there any gas stations that sell these prepayd cards when we have it a bit stressful from the ferry and up and will not have time to look around so much?

R-Kioski's that Juha_Koo mentioned are everywhere. Search for one closest to your route from R-Kioski (http://www.r-kioski.fi/) -> top right "kioskihaku", add name of the city or postal code. I'm not an expert on these prepaid deals cause I've never had need for them but I bet there are other brands and other locations to buy them as well.

[pino]

Great entry list as usually...cannot wait to be there :D

[rp]

Not a bad after all! Seven Finnish drivers behind the wheel of the World Rally Car. Just like old days :-)

Jari Ketomaa has to be close to top five and win some stages. Surely he will push like hell. Also interesting to see Mini´s speed and compare Matti Rantanen to Meeke and Sordo.

With the help of Volkswagen Motorsport Joonas Lindroos has once in a lifetime chance to show his potential. If he is able to be close to Hänninen and Mikkelsen there might be future, but not an easy situation, because they have so much more experience of the Fabia...

Also will be interesting battle in the PCWRC between former Pirelli Star drivers Jarkko Nikara and Hayden Paddon. Flodin will be the next one...

[MikeD]

Any of you know if Rantanen's or Therman's MINI is the Grifone one that Flodin used at rally Italy?

[VFTS]

Any of you know if Rantanen's or Therman's MINI is the Grifone one that Flodin used at rally Italy?

Flodin drove a WRC-light version in Italy.

[MikeD]

Flodin drove a WRC-light version in Italy.

Yes I know, but Grifone has the "kit" to upgrade to full WRC spec. so I wonder if they are the team (instead of Prodrive) for Therman or Rantanen.

[Bobcat]

Ford has announced the winners of the Roof Art Vote for the 2011 Rally Finland: Most "Liked" in the Roof Art Vote - Winners! | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/notes/ford-wrc/most-liked-in-the-roof-art-vote-winners/231741400179347)

[tfp]

Ford has announced the winners of the Roof Art Vote for the 2011 Rally Finland: Most "Liked" in the Roof Art Vote - Winners! | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/notes/ford-wrc/most-liked-in-the-roof-art-vote-winners/231741400179347)

That looks bloody awful lol!

[Juha_Koo]

That looks bloody awful lol!

I actually like them all. They are pictures which are totally out of context, and maybe it is just that, which makes them somewhat intriguing. :)

[Rallisauna]

That looks bloody awful lol!

Absolutely terrible... Would have expected something real (good loking) art made by top designers but now it looks like some kids have done those. And what does this food theme have anything do with rallying? Can't understand why Ford wants to ruin their vehicles with these ugly pics. Well, after all there seems to be people who really like how those roofs turned out so maybe somebody enjoys them :)

The black livery they are using in France at the moment would have suited those cars much better.

[tfp]

Absolutely terrible... Would have expected something real (good loking) art made by top designers but now it looks like some kids have done those. And what does this food theme have anything do with rallying? Can't understand why Ford wants to ruin their vehicles with these ugly pics. Well, after all there seems to be people who really like how those roofs turned out so maybe somebody enjoys them :)

The black livery they are using in France at the moment would have suited those cars much better.

I'm not looking forward to the helicopter footage in the powerstage now:-)

[N.O.T]

Are they actually going to use those attrocities for their roof design ? or was just for fun ??

[Bobcat]

Are they actually going to use those attrocities for their roof design ? Yes, but only for the Rally Finland.

[N.O.T]

As an idea was nice but they should have used more rally relevant designs....for a example for finland they should design a pair of wings at the roof :)

[Josti]

I don't like the designs either, but isn't it a rip off from Citroën anyways? (apart from it being a so called contest). At least Citroën does it properly.

[HarriK]

i have also thisGoogle Kääntäjä (http://translate.google.fi/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsaunalahti.fi%2Fprepaid%2Fmobiilila ajakaista.php&act=url) Saunalahti/Elisa prepaid mobile broadband and web stick. Very usefull here in Finland on my trips and works very well.
Almost in every where is now 3.6megabyte connection(I have summer cottage within 5km on SS Leustu finish, and there I have also this speed) :)

From Network Settings (from stick program) you can choose the speed/web what to use ( -MTS / HSDPA 900/2100 MHz and GSM / GPRS / EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz)
NOTE! speed choose must be done before you connect- If you have a connection, close it and choose again and then connect.

Some more guides:
Google Kääntäjä (http://translate.google.fi/translate?hl=fi&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elisa.fi%2Fsaunalahti%2Fasiakas palvelu%2F530.5%2Fhuawei-e153%2F10206%2Fvalojen-merkitys%2F)

[OldF]

The ABC service stations mentioned in the previous post (Google Kääntäjä (http://translate.google.fi/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsaunalahti.fi%2Fprepaid%2Fmobiilila ajakaista.php&act=url)), have also a comprehensive network. You can fill up the car, have some food or burgers and buy some “ makkaraa ja kaljaa”.

Note, from the grocery store kaljaa only between 9:00 – 21:00

Ruokaa = food
Kahvila = Café
Myymälä = Grocery store

Kartta — ABC-liikennemyymälät (http://www.abcasemat.fi/verkosto) (the google translate of this page was not successful)

[Hartusvuori]

RG2 released. Most of the material password protected like always.

Competitors - Neste Oil Rally Finland (http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/en/competitors/)

Is there an existing itinerary for Lahti Historic? I know the stages they run (Friday: Hassi, Evo, Koukunmaa, Koivukehä, Jokimaa; Saturday: Leustu, Surkee, Urria), but 1st car times would be nice to know.

[HarriK]

First NORF tests by Esapekka Lappi feat Citroen C2R2 Max:
http://www.harrinkuvat.1g.fi/kuvat/Rallikuvat/2011/Lappi/Kuhmoinen_Norf_pretest/

[focus206]

Hmmm... I don't like the roof design :\ Anyway, Ford really needs a 1-2 in Finland, possibly with guys like Ketomaa or Ostberg to take away points from Citroen, but it's very difficult it will happen...
I think Citroen will play in defense, to them it could even be ok to finish 3rd and 4th.

[Rallyper]

Should have been PG as well to rob Citroen on points...

[tfp]

Should have been PG as well to rob Citroen on points...

I wish that could happen :(

[6789]

I think Ogier will be fast here, fighting for the victory. Look at last year in Finland and the pace he has been doing this season.

I hope Jari-Mati wins, as long as the Fiesta holds up then it's a fair battle

[N.O.T]

Should have been PG as well to rob Citroen on points...

Kimi doesn't score points for the manufacturer only for his icecube team.

[OldF]

First NORF tests by Esapekka Lappi feat Citroen C2R2 Max:
http://www.harrinkuvat.1g.fi/kuvat/Rallikuvat/2011/Lappi/Kuhmoinen_Norf_pretest/

I really hope that this guy would do a clean drive in NORF without at least any technical problems. By the performance in FRC I think he has the speed and can challenge the other R2 drivers.

[Francis44]

PG has the speed but we all know how would it end :o .

[Barreis]

:D

[OldF]

:D

Your face is green with envy.

[Barreis]

Without envy.

[jbmarcus21]

#WRC Neste Oil Rally Finland 2011 Google Earth Map is out Programme du Rallye Wrc de Finlande 2011 (http://bit.ly/fcGIiO)

[Hartusvuori]

Seeded, FIA approved entry list: http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2011-07-05T16-52-38253.pdf

Lindroos, Mikkelsen and PGA are starting around 65th - that's very far down the order for Thursday stages - but gladly only for those 3 stages, I believe.

[pantealex]

Seeded, FIA approved entry list: http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2011-07-05T16-52-38253.pdf

Lindroos, Mikkelsen and PGA are starting around 65th - that's very far down the order for Thursday stages - but gladly only for those 3 stages, I believe.

Lindroos is missing priority3, he should start within SWRC

[SubaruNorway]

Is there supposed to be a motorshow in Helsinki the weekend before? It wasen't that great last year so if they do it, hope it's with better cars.

[Co-FIN]

..

[Hartusvuori]

Is there supposed to be a motorshow in Helsinki the weekend before? It wasen't that great last year so if they do it, hope it's with better cars.


There is a Red Bull Motorshow with Loeb and Räikkönen.

Red Bull Show Run - Maailman parhaat rallikuskit Helsingissä! (http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/30326.aspx)

And if you are into metal music, the weekend before rally there is Tuska Open Air metal festival in Helsinki w/ Morbid Angel, At The Gates, Devin Townsend, Katatonia, etc.

TUSKA OPEN AIR METAL FESTIVAL - Uutiset (http://www.tuska-festival.fi/)

I was thinking about the same about Lindroos priority status by the wildcard entry. Also PGA and Mikkelsen are P2, right - or at least were.

[mm1]

I know it`s a bit late, we have just decided to go to Finland rally, maybe some fellow forum members can point me in the right direction where to look for over night stay. We are 8 people. Please help me out :) !

[Hartusvuori]

I know it`s a bit late, we have just decided to go to Finland rally, maybe some fellow forum members can point me in the right direction where to look for over night stay. We are 8 people. Please help me out :) !

It is a bit late, you're right.

Have you tried this booking service, linked from the official site:

Accommodation - Neste Oil Rally Finland (http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/en/spectators/accommodation/)

Jämsä region's tourism service:
Jämsek Matkailu (http://matkailu.jamsek.fi/en)

Here's one for Himos (Jämsä) area, lots of cottages and beds, but huge demand also
[email:2fz85v3g]himoslomat@himoslomat.fi[/email:2fz85v3g]
http://www.nesterally.com/fi/nesterally/rallimajoitus

Ask them out. As far as I know many cottage's etc are booked well in advance, but try your luck :-)

[mm1]

Thanks a lot. Have tried a lot of them, hopefully something pops up.

[Hartusvuori]

Thanks a lot. Have tried a lot of them, hopefully something pops up.

Hope you'll find something good. Here's another listing of cottages, most withing 30km distance from service park: Jyväskylän Seudun Matkailu: Kohdetiedot (http://www3.jkl.fi/info/matkailu/?target=kohteet&theme=26:65:68)

[mm1]

I booked a hotel in Mänttä, it`s not far away from Himos, hope I woun`t have to travel 200 km to get to the stages :)

[Juha_Koo]

I booked a hotel in Mänttä, it`s not far away from Himos, hope I woun`t have to travel 200 km to get to the stages :)

:D LOL, welcome to my (small) hometown!

There is going to be driving... But it's all drivable, my dad has done all his NORF-trips from Mänttä since the 1960s and also me, starting from 1994. :) Two last years SS' Kavala (Kolonkulma) and Väärinmaja were just about 20 km away, this year stages are "bit" further. Driving, negotiating the traffic jams and using small roads to bypass them, it's all part of the game! ;)

[Hartusvuori]

:D LOL, welcome to my (small) hometown!

You do have a traffic light (in singular)!

Mänttä is okeyish. Not that far from Saturday stages, and Friday stages are going to be long drive from anywhere near traditional Jyväskylä base.

[OldF]

I made some recce with googlemaps using the low resolution stage map but it was little bit tricky to find the correct roads on googlemap.

Then I found rally-maps (http://www.rally-maps.com/home) on a Finnish forum. Now it’s much easier :) but pity that not all roads has street view :( .

[Hartusvuori]

I made some recce with googlemaps using the low resolution stage map but it was little bit tricky to find the correct roads on googlemap.

Then I found rally-maps (http://www.rally-maps.com/home) on a Finnish forum. Now it’s much easier :) but pity that not all roads has street view :( .

Did you learn anything worth sharing? Me and my friend has been using Rally-maps as well, looks good, but makes me wonder where they've gotten such detailed information and thus is it exact.

Of the new stages I'd say Hyvänneula will be the fastest stage of the rally (and season), looks like wide and hard gravel mostly. If they have average speed of over 130 km/h in Myhinpää rollercoaster, this should top that.

[OldF]

So far I’ve choosed few spots with fields around and long view. In our gang is alsoa guy that can’t walk so far so the spots has to be choosen with that in mind. We’re probably moving around with a camper (top speed about 110 km/h, 65 hp and after a year it can be registered as a museum vehicle :D ) so parking is also one issue.

Thursday: No plans so far.
Friday: Hyväneula 1 (SS6; 11:53) & 2 (SS9; 16:20) and Mynnilä (SS11; 19:46)
Saturday: Leustu 1 (SS12; 7:58) & 2 (SS17; 13:55) or Surkee 1 (SS13;9:00) & 2 (SS18; 14:57), the rest of the day is not planned.

Hyväneula:
Maybe Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/1/18/60.937374939146345/25.075381994247437) 14,60 km from start.

or Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/1/17/60.92725221629878/25.07252812385559) 15,85 km from start. A long straigth before this junction.

Street view Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/streetview/1/17/60.927331/25.070693/341.58/27.57/0)

Mynnilä:
Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/streetview/1/16/61.566901/25.744366/341.71/-21.89/0) 6,40 km from start

Surkee:
Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/streetview/1/16/62.106905/25.395357/69.12/11.84/0) 7,15 km from start.

Much depends on where the spectator areas are which is known at 15.7 when the spectator guide is will be released.

[Rallyper]

How about Evo SS5 about 1,1 km from start?

[Juha_Koo]

Next week planning the route and doing spectator recce... Sh*tloads of driving ahead, but I don't complain, NORF is only once in a year. :D

[Barreis]

I'll be spectatin'.

[OldF]

How about Evo SS5 about 1,1 km from start?

No street view of that spot, no more resolution either. Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/1/16/61.17972917312602/25.160000324249268)

This looks more interesting if there’s access, 5,90 km from start. Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/1/16/61.17632582518711/25.098180770874023)

[Hartusvuori]

How about Evo SS5 about 1,1 km from start?

This rally radio's video starts from that junction at 1,1 km. Spectators on the left field, you'll see some safe action. After that part there are many interesting places, jumps (that video around 58"), farms, trees and stones lined up, but the questions are entrance and view - the beginning of the Evo stage is very green and at parts it reminds of those Central European roads with trees arching above. After the junction 2,2 km starts a faster section but from spectator view with mentioned problems. Take a look at the video at 4'19".

About the places OldF mentioned, I could add in SS Mynnilä perhaps a similar place with long view with entrance at around 8,8 km, then walking towards the start.

This year we are perhaps happy with only 3 stages a day. It could be 4 SS on Saturday, depends on traffic. It also depends on the places we spot, how they work and also how's the competition. It'd also be nice to see the historics properly at some stage, though for us it's world rallying first of course. Any timetable for Lahti Historic yet?

[mm1]

:D LOL, welcome to my (small) hometown!

There is going to be driving... But it's all drivable, my dad has done all his NORF-trips from Mänttä since the 1960s and also me, starting from 1994. :) Two last years SS' Kavala (Kolonkulma) and Väärinmaja were just about 20 km away, this year stages are "bit" further. Driving, negotiating the traffic jams and using small roads to bypass them, it's all part of the game! ;)
That means I`ll be able to use your local knowledge and follow you to the stages :) ?

[Juha_Koo]

That means I`ll be able to use your local knowledge and follow you to the stages :) ?

I don't see any problem with that. :) Actually the guy with the real knowledge is my father, he's been spectating 1000 Lakes and NORF for decades. He has tremendous skills to avoid jams. We've never encountered any major jams except outbound from day's last SS (=doesn't affect schedule).

[mm1]

So we have a deal, when the event comes closer I`ll write you a PM, to exchange our contact details.

[Rallyper]

This rally radio's video starts from that junction at 1,1 km. Spectators on the left field, you'll see some safe action. After that part there are many interesting places, jumps (that video around 58"), farms, trees and stones lined up, but the questions are entrance and view - the beginning of the Evo stage is very green and at parts it reminds of those Central European roads with trees arching above. After the junction 2,2 km starts a faster section but from spectator view with mentioned problems. Take a look at the video at 4'19".

About the places OldF mentioned, I could add in SS Mynnilä perhaps a similar place with long view with entrance at around 8,8 km, then walking towards the start.

This year we are perhaps happy with only 3 stages a day. It could be 4 SS on Saturday, depends on traffic. It also depends on the places we spot, how they work and also how's the competition. It'd also be nice to see the historics properly at some stage, though for us it's world rallying first of course. Any timetable for Lahti Historic yet?

Do you have the link?

[Hartusvuori]

Do you have the link?

D'oh.
Aja Evon erikoiskoe Ralliradion kyydissä | YLE Keski-Suomi | Toista | YLE Areena | yle.fi (http://areena.yle.fi/video/1306495938638)

[HarriK]

Just wondering if there is this year also fully video coverage of the NORF stages for the drivers? I have seen some years ago DVD which shows all that year stages driven by Seppo Harjanne :) and road book turns etc where illustrared in that film...

[PMM]

Just wondering if there is this year also fully video coverage of the NORF stages for the drivers? I have seen some years ago DVD which shows all that year stages driven by Seppo Harjanne :) and road book turns etc where illustrared in that film...

There is one this year also. Drivers don't get it automatically. They have to order it.

[donlorean]

There is one this year also. Drivers don't get it automatically. They have to order it.


Last year it comes automaticly to all competitors. Is it chance for this year?

[6789]

Good to see the DS3 over steering :)

[PMM]

Last year it comes automaticly to all competitors. Is it chance for this year?

Looks like it. Yet another way to earn some €uros :P

[Loeki]

Hello,

We come from the Netherlands to Finland to see the rally.
We want to drive rally stages our selves to look for spectator points.

Has anyone the Roadbooks of the rally of 2011 and can we have a copy?
So that we can run the official route.

Regards Sander

[kiprazas]

Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map)
I think this is very good site and i think a lot of stages is the same that be in 2010.
Good luck :)

[Hartusvuori]

Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map)
I think this is very good site and i think a lot of stages is the same that be in 2010.
Good luck :)

Only three of the stages are exactly the same as in 2010. Friday is completely new and some stages on Saturday are modified.

Loeki, when you arrive to Finland, find the nearest newstand and buy the blue-covered VM Katsojaopas (Spectator Guide, €10, released July 15th). It'll have maps detailed enough to find the stages properly. Everyone should buy it anyway. Welcome!

[Juha_Koo]

Loeb tested today, it was his second day of testing. DS3 looks really fast and stable... Loeb didn't drove that much compared to yesterday, so apparently he's pretty comfortable.

I was going to provide video but because of a faulty tape...nothing. Sh*t happens, as they say. :down:

[Hartusvuori]

Loeb tested today, it was his second day of testing. DS3 looks really fast and stable... Loeb didn't drove that much compared to yesterday, so apparently he's pretty comfortable.

I was going to provide video but because of a faulty tape...nothing. Sh*t happens, as they say. :down:

But he tested for two days. Last year it was one day for Loeb and three for Ogier.

I still believe Latvala and Hirvonen must give their absolute best to keep that Ogier guy behind. Only three weeks from now and it's already end of day 2...

[Juha_Koo]

But he tested for two days. Last year it was one day for Loeb and three for Ogier.

Yeah, true.

I have to see Ford's speed before I build my scenarios. But for now I also believe that Ford might be actually bit weaker. Maybe. One scenario which I've been thinking of, is that Ogier leads by a very narrow margin after day two and is all happy and bit spiky towards Loeb, who could be somewhere around 4th behind Fords. On day three, Loeb presents unimaginable attack - wins NORF and asks Ogier: "Who's your daddy now? :ninja: "

[Rallyper]

Noope. Hirvonen and JML will keep up a very fast speed on first day which will get Loeb and Ogier very confused. They will chase each other off the road and it will be the second one/two for Ford in NORF this year.

[Hartusvuori]

Last year Ogier were 11,7s faster on the second day than Latvala. With Rally Finlad, aftr Grönholm retired, it's all about going flat out from the word go. Ogier was 10s behind Latvala on the 1st service and that was their difference on the finnish. It'shardto catch up. Of course I'm hoping for JML's victory number 2, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Sebs nails it. In that case all I need is good rally from spectator's point of view, and I've done my homework.

Also, it have been mentioned, especially Ketomaa and also Rantanen can be some kind of wildcards here, depending on lots of things. I don't believe they fight for victory, but Östberg/Sweden case can be repeated if everything goes right. And that's victory for rallying - the sport we love.

[N.O.T]

without problems i think the chance of Loeb/Ogier beating the fords is minimal... It would be stupid for them to take risks and chase them....they will just wait for something unexpected as last year. Ogier since he has nothing to lose might attack but i think he doesn't have the mentality or the experience to chase the finns in their back yard. I think Quesnel will just giv the order for a rsik fre run from the go, he is a smart man.

They have 3 tarmac rounds ahead to play cat and mouse with the ford kids.

The rally i think will be much more interesting to see the battle between the privateers rather than the top.

[N.O.T]

Last year Ogier were 11,7s faster on the second day than Latvala. With Rally Finlad, aftr Grönholm retired, it's all about going flat out from the word go. Ogier was 10s behind Latvala on the 1st service and that was their difference on the finnish. It'shardto catch up. Of course I'm hoping for JML's victory number 2, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Sebs nails it. In that case all I need is good rally from spectator's point of view, and I've done my homework.

Also, it have been mentioned, especially Ketomaa and also Rantanen can be some kind of wildcards here, depending on lots of things. I don't believe they fight for victory, but Östberg/Sweden case can be repeated if everything goes right. And that's victory for rallying - the sport we love.

Latvala won last year with hands in pockets....If he needed to push he would eat Ogier alive.

I think ketomaa will definitely nail some top 3 times, Rantanen nothing special i think.

[Juha_Koo]

I started to think... How much Finnish driver's car can be slower (s/km) than rival's car and still win the rally because of Finnish driver's better understanding and conception of Finnish roads? 0,6 s/km?

[dimviii]

YouTube - ‪Sebastien Loeb testing Citroen DS3 - WRC Rally Finland 2011‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsPBLj4MNZ4)

[N.O.T]

the last part of the interview is very interesting....seems that Mr Loeb found his motivation once more now that another french is threatening him....but he will not push for victory, its time for another title this year and not to show the finns how it should be done in their schoolyard.

[dimviii]

without problems i think the chance of Loeb/Ogier beating the fords is minimal... It would be stupid for them to take risks and chase them....they will just wait for something unexpected as last year. Ogier since he has nothing to lose might attack but i think he doesn't have the mentality or the experience to chase the finns in their back yard. I think Quesnel will just giv the order for a rsik fre run from the go, he is a smart man.

They have 3 tarmac rounds ahead to play cat and mouse with the ford kids.

The rally i think will be much more interesting to see the battle between the privateers rather than the top.

i am waiting for maximum attack from works crews.For different reasons each one.

[N.O.T]

maybe for 1-2 stages to see if they are capable of winning but after they see there is nothing they can do is cruising time.

[dimviii]

maybe for 1-2 stages to see if they are capable of winning but after they see there is nothing they can do is cruising time.

I wouldnt bet my money at this if you mean Sebs speed at Finland.

[Tomi]

I have to dissagree with NOT, Loeb has always gone for the win here as long he has had any chances, exception is last year but I belive that had more to do with the tragedy in his family that happend during first day of the rally.
Its also good to remember that the win of 1000 Lakes is the most respected among drivers, ok he has a win here but if this is his last year in the sport im sure he will go for a second win.

[Hartusvuori]

... exception is last year but I belive that had more to do with the tragedy in his family that happend during first day of the rally.

What was that?

[Tomi]

What was that?
his wife's father died

[N.O.T]

Loeb has no need to ridicule the finnish...he did it a few years back with tougher competition. This year ogier proved that he has the speed to deal with loeb in a straight fight so i think Loeb will go for the safe points instead of risking everything. Ogier on the other hand cannot afford to back down but he does not have the experience or the speed to win in finland in a 3 day war.

Sure they are going to try and be fast but i doubt they will take any risks so i predict a 1 and a half day semi-fight maximum....once the difference reeaches 15-20 seconds all is lost and they just have to see if ketomaa is close or not....

[Hartusvuori]

Loeb has no need to ridicule the finnish...he did it a few years back with tougher competition. This year ogier proved that he has the speed to deal with loeb in a straight fight so i think Loeb will go for the safe points instead of risking everything. Ogier on the other hand cannot afford to back down but he does not have the experience or the speed to win in finland in a 3 day war.

Sure they are going to try and be fast but i doubt they will take any risks so i predict a 1 and a half day semi-fight maximum....once the difference reeaches 15-20 seconds all is lost and they just have to see if ketomaa is close or not....

When Loeb won in Finland in 2008 the only competition he had was Hirvonen and back then Hirvonen didn't have yet the knowhow to win Finland. Next year the roles changed, and now there's Latvala and Ogier added for the victory battle as well. I'm repeating myself, but I think both works Citroens have the speed to win, but they - or at least Loeb - has the option to play it safe also. There's still no cruising to victory in Finland.

Thanks Tomi for the answer.

[dimviii]

Loeb has no need to ridicule the finnish...he did it a few years back with tougher competition. This year ogier proved that he has the speed to deal with loeb in a straight fight so i think Loeb will go for the safe points instead of risking everything. Ogier on the other hand cannot afford to back down but he does not have the experience or the speed to win in finland in a 3 day war.

Sure they are going to try and be fast but i doubt they will take any risks so i predict a 1 and a half day semi-fight maximum....once the difference reeaches 15-20 seconds all is lost and they just have to see if ketomaa is close or not....

All these are logic,but i think that you miss the internal citroen ''cases'' between Sebs.These cases are not going to slow them down both of them,except if one of them retires..

[N.O.T]

lol...too much soap operas in the menu....this is rallying.

[N.O.T]

When Loeb won in Finland in 2008 the only competition he had was Hirvonen and back then Hirvonen didn't have yet the knowhow to win Finland. Next year the roles changed, and now there's Latvala and Ogier added for the victory battle as well. I'm repeating myself, but I think both works Citroens have the speed to win, but they - or at least Loeb - has the option to play it safe also. There's still no cruising to victory in Finland.

Thanks Tomi for the answer.

of course they have the speed to challenge (but i still think the upper hand is on the finns here) and they could potentially win in a straight fight if everything works ideal for them....however given the circumstances they will not.

the rally is close we will see...the rest is just speculations.

[dimviii]

lol...too much soap operas in the menu....this is rallying.

No....soap operas were the speed of new wrc against old ones.Remember?

[N.O.T]

you were at the acropolis rally...the cars (not the tires) are faster ??

Al attyah signing with WV remember ??

so you think that Loeb and Ogier will risk the championship because they want to prove to each other who is faster....nice dream. F1 suits you better if you think drivers care about tabloid journalism.....

[dimviii]

you were at the acropolis rally...the cars (not the tires) are faster ??.....
of course i was,like last 29 years.When you are wrong(as always) is much more clever to don t remember us this epic fail.


Al attyah signing with WV remember ??
of course i remember that i was the only one i said, that this driver can t be at VW rost if they are serious about winning.As you saw after 10 days i was correct again.




so you think that Loeb and Ogier will risk the championship because they want to prove to each other who is faster....nice dream. F1 suits you better if you think drivers care about tabloid journalism.....
Risking the championship? Didn t you noticed it till now?Did you watching F1?

[bluuford]

Seeded and updated entry list for NORF:
Martin Kangur (Honda Civic Type-R) has been added as you can see. Good news for 2WD competition.
http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2011-07-05T16-52-38253.pdf

[N.O.T]

Crazy entry list :)

[Tinke1979]

YouTube - ‪Sebastien Ogier rolls Citroen DS3 - WRC Rally Finland test 2011 @ Kuhmoinen (July 10th 2011)‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyiP6tUxut8)

Ogier´s rally tests gone nicely.. Maybe affecting his driving? :) or is he just gonna be faster after this... Well not so hard crash after all, so I think Ogi should be fast here..

[Tinke1979]

Pretty nice places on the "new" stages. I think that Rantanen and Ketomaa should be high on friday because they have driven allready those new stages (parts of them) earlier in FRC. I was doing my recce on saturday (17h on car) :D we drove almost every stage, only missed Laajavuori, Mynnilä and Jokimaa.. Hassi and Hyväneula are the hardest stages to drive.

[Miika]

New stages, new cars, hungry drivers -> there´s bound to be some nasty surprises on the route even for the top guys.

[Juha_Koo]

New stages, new cars, hungry drivers -> there´s bound to be some nasty surprises on the route even for the top guys.

Yes. I believe this year's NORF might be one of the most action packed Rally Finland in recent history... Nearly everyone has a reason to push like madman. :)

[Tseix]

If somebody is interesting, I put some on board videos from this year stages.

ss5 Evo: YouTube - ‪2009 Lammi-Ralli EK5 Sami Paavilainen/Tomi Kankus, Hillman Imp‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3npEIynQtg)
First 14 km at stages ss6/ss9 Hyväneula: http://esapekkalappi.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Hyvink%E4%E4+SM+2010/EK+12.AVI
ss8 Koivukehä: YouTube - ‪Black Rocket-ralli 14.5.2011 / EK1 incar (nro 238)‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUdgtOlNc_s) ( I'm not 100 % sure, if start and finish are exactly same places as in the link, but quite close anyhow.)

I hope links are working
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6YrvwCebgQ

[pantealex]

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2011-07-12T09-02-14253.pdf

New version of Entrylist (updated monday 12.7), both VW Motorsport Skoda´s are P2 now and will start before Hänninen and rest of SWRC drivers
Lindroos gave his SWRC guestpass away because in SWRC you can only test 1 day and that is alltogether testday. His VW deal has many testdays, outside and inside Finland.

[tigerlily]

Hi!

Sorry if this question has already posted.
I'm going to Rally Finland.
I want to see a jumping spot because I went Rally Finland last year too but missed it.
Please tell me where I can watch it.

And is there an information of car parking place in the spectator guide book?
Can I get it in Helsinki? I want to make a plan before arriving Jyvaskyla.

[jbmarcus21]

#WRC Neste Oil Rally Finland 2011 Full program ! Timetable, Entrylist, Google Earth Map, Mobile Live Results Programme du Rallye Wrc de Finlande 2011 (http://bit.ly/fcGIiO)

[Tomi]

Hi!

Sorry if this question has already posted.
I'm going to Rally Finland.
I want to see a jumping spot because I went Rally Finland last year too but missed it.
Please tell me where I can watch it.

And is there an information of car parking place in the spectator guide book?
Can I get it in Helsinki? I want to make a plan before arriving Jyvaskyla.

Hi Tigerlily, when you come here buy the VM rally magazine, it's easy to find in Helsinki, and from that you can find how to get to the stages, and there is also descriptions of the stages, where is jump and so on, but if you go to some famous spot go in good time because there will be a lot of people.
Ganbatte Kudasai!!

[tigerlily]

Hi Tigerlily, when you come here buy the VM rally magazine, it's easy to find in Helsinki, and from that you can find how to get to the stages, and there is also descriptions of the stages, where is jump and so on, but if you go to some famous spot go in good time because there will be a lot of people.
Ganbatte Kudasai!!

Kiitos Tomi!!

OK I'll buy VM rally magazine in Helsinki.
Can't wait to go there!
Last year I went by escort tour and this year I'll drive a rental car to go to places where I want to go.
Yeah there must be a lot of people. I need to go there quite early.

Ganbari Masu!!

[OldF]

Kiitos Tomi!!

OK I'll buy VM rally magazine in Helsinki.
Can't wait to go there!
Last year I went by escort tour and this year I'll drive a rental car to go to places where I want to go.
Yeah there must be a lot of people. I need to go there quite early.

Ganbari Masu!!

You can also use www.rally-maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/) for some pre recce.

[Barreis]

You can also use www.rally-maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/) for some pre recce.

Really nice site.

[Rallyper]

Kiitos Tomi!!

OK I'll buy VM rally magazine in Helsinki.
Can't wait to go there!
Last year I went by escort tour and this year I'll drive a rental car to go to places where I want to go.
Yeah there must be a lot of people. I need to go there quite early.

Ganbari Masu!!

You can buy programme at Neste Oil Gas stations while going up to the Jyvaskyla region from Helsinki. Welcome to Finland. You´ve done a good choice visiting the best rally in the WRC series!

[Mise]

Looking forward to see:

1. Hirvonen vs the top 4

2. Ketomaa vs Rantanen

3. Both Mini drivers vs Ketomaa and Rantanen

4. Hänninen vs Tänak

5. Salo (Mitsu R4) vs PG Andersson (Impreza R4)

6. R4 vs S2000

7. Novikov, Östberg & Tuohino compared to Ketomaa and Rantanen

8. Lindroos vs Mikkelsen



Only thing missing is a fast 207 driver.

[Miika]

Also Novikov vs. Finnish trees is always a duel worth the wait.

[N.O.T]

lets hope everyone stays safe...and may the fastest ford win.

[Barreis]

No way. French flag should win.

[Francis44]

I think Ogier might have a surprise for us, Loeb should play it safe.

[focus206]

Also Novikov vs. Finnish trees is always a duel worth the wait.
for sure :D

[6789]

I think this will be an amazing rally. I'm looking forward to seeing how Hayden Paddon goes, Finland is tough for him. So specialized.

I think Ogier is a big big chance, between him and JML

[Miika]

Already after last year´s Rally Finland I thought that Ogier will win next time around, and I´m not gonna change that bet now either. At least Ogier and the Fords will drive on the very edge where everything could happen. And some say the new stages on Friday will benefit the Finns, I´d thought those stages would give the French more equal chance of competing, since none of the top guys know those stages like their own pockets (apart from Ketomaa maybe).

[donlorean]

Local newspaper said that Janne Tuohino is cancelled his entry due to finansical problem...

[DonJippo]

Local newspaper said that Janne Tuohino is cancelled his entry due to finansical problem...

Not a surprise, why does he even bother to make entries...

[BleAivano]

i think Loeb will win. JML+Ogier will probably fight very hard which might results in big offs
which means that Loeb will be there and snatch the win.

[6789]

JML will break the car and Ogier to put it on it's roof again? Lol. Either way it's going to be an awesome rally. Mini will be there as well, hope Meeke gets plenty of miles

[Ucci]

JML will break the car and Ogier to put it on it's roof again? Lol. Either way it's going to be an awesome rally. Mini will be there as well, hope Meeke gets plenty of miles

Speaking for Mini: it is a question, who of both drrivers will have a green light to attack on 110% and who will have a mission to finish the rally&collect the miles....But realistically I dont't expect any of Mini to be a threat to SebI&2&JML&Mikko&Peter....yet !

[Rallyper]

Mikko and JML will take the pace and keep it to the end. I think Mads Östberg will finish a top five. Maybe even higher. Even Iceman will make a good rally this year. I think Ogier and Loeb have a lot up to defend their situation in the team and both will fail trying to catch up behind the two Fords of Mikko and JML.

[N.O.T]

I think Mads Östberg will finish a top five. Maybe even higher. Even Iceman will make a good rally this year. I think Ogier and Loeb have a lot up to defend their situation in the team and both will fail trying to catch up behind the two Fords of Mikko and JML.

i usually dream of blue oil fields and giraffes with 9 legs....but ok.

Loeb and Ogier will drive fast for 4-5 stages see they cannot win without huge risks and will back down keeping an eye to ketomaa. then let Wilson decide who wants to win hirvonen or Latvala.

[N.O.T]

what is the weather going to be like ? i see that in tests we had rain....

[Miika]

Here the rest of this week will be warm and rainy, in the rain the temperature will be +20 C and when the sun is shining the temperature is up to +30 C, and even at night it is as high as +20. So very unusual summer weather for this place this week. And next week, it can be anything I guess, too early to call.

[Bobcat]

Speaking for Mini: it is a question, who of both drrivers will have a green light to attack on 110% and who will have a mission to finish the rally&collect the miles....But realistically I dont't expect any of Mini to be a threat to SebI&2&JML&Mikko&Peter....yet !
Rantanen? MaxRally | News | Hirvonen tips Rantanen to star in Finland (http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/hirvonen_tips_rantanen_to_star_in_finland/)

[MJW]

Any webcam links to service park this year?

[RS]

Rantanen? MaxRally | News | Hirvonen tips Rantanen to star in Finland (http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/hirvonen_tips_rantanen_to_star_in_finland/)

I would expect Ketomaa to be faster than Rantanen. Maybe he is Mikko's buddy.

[pino]

I would love to see....better not posting his name, on top podium :D

[Mise]

I would love to see....better not posting his name, on top podium :D

That's quite clever. You can say: "I told you so" no matter who is on the podium

[pino]

That's quite clever. You can say: "I told you so" no matter who is on the podium

Would love to post his name but that will bring him bad luck...that's all ;)

[pino]

That's quite clever. You can say: "I told you so" no matter who is on the podium

Would love to post his name but that will bring him bad luck...that's all ;)

[Tomi]

Would love to post his name but that will bring him bad luck...that's all ;)

paisá, you have been visiting our rally for about a million times already, you should know by now that this rally you have to win by driving not by luck.

[Bobcat]

Look at the interesting and new truck for Finland... Just for fun - find this truck! | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/notes/ford-wrc/just-for-fun-find-this-truck/240763929277094)

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Something big will be launched!?? :confused:

[MJW]

Look at the interesting and new truck for Finland... Just for fun - find this truck! | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/notes/ford-wrc/just-for-fun-find-this-truck/240763929277094)

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Something big will be launched!?? :confused: I guess thats Malcolm's new F1 style hospitality suite.

[MJW]

Look at the interesting and new truck for Finland... Just for fun - find this truck! | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/notes/ford-wrc/just-for-fun-find-this-truck/240763929277094)

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Something big will be launched!?? :confused: I guess thats Malcolm's new F1 style hospitality suite.