Rally Finland 2011

[Rally Hokkaido]

What's happening to the lower order cars that couldn't start SS4? Using alternate route to SS5 & SS6 or gong back to service?

[Rally Hokkaido]

What's happening to the lower order cars that couldn't start SS4? Using alternate route to SS5 & SS6 or going back to service?

[Miika]

I'm not sure how many times Kris has participated in Rally Finland before.
Last time he drove here was five years ago, and he has never driven here with a WRC car, only with FWD S1600s.

[Barreis]

It's lookin' good for Loeb on championship standings. Hirvonen is 15th and this rally was his chance to catch Loeb.

[Francis44]

It's lookin' good for Loeb on championship standings. Hirvonen is 15th and this rally was his chance to catch Loeb.

I think the last few rallye's made very clear who is competition for Loeb this year, and that's Ogier not Hirvonen.

[Barreis]

Yeah but he's 22 points behind and tarmac rallies are coming.

[Hartusvuori]

Thanks Miika. Let's hope Joonas will see the finish.

Yesterday Meeke said this year is a high-speed recce for them. On the other hand Sordo have good experience in Finland. Two years ago Sordo was outpacing JML for half of the rally.

[hari]

Hänninen in the SWRC lead now! 6.2 in front of Tanak

[Miika]

Hänninen in the SWRC lead now! 6.2 in front of Tanak

..and just two behind Meeke and ten behind Sordo. 9th overall. :)

[darkstar]

meeke is defenetly showing a pretty good speed here in my opinion.

[wrc1600]

Anyone noticed that Sordo outpaced Meeke on 4 of 6 stages so far? It wasn't something I personally expected ... not that Danny is a mediocre driver but there were predictions that he'll be 'destroyed' by Meeke. I guess the experience Sordo has helps a lot, I'm not sure how many times Kris has participated in Rally Finland before.
Who predicted that?

[Viking]

Who predicted that?

Well I did, Sordo is a fast driver and he has done wery well her in Finland last 3 years..

[Miika]

Therman´s Mini.

http://yle.fi/ecepic/neon3/archive/00423/Mattias_Therman_423023b.jpg

[rubla]

Tanak's commentary via Estonian news portal, rough translation - "i made few mistakes early on, so i eased up a bit. next stages should be more comfortable for me, no problems."

[RS]

Really excellent times by Hanninen. It is surprising how good times they are putting in on such a high speed rally with the S2000 cars.

There must be something in the customer Fiesta spec being detuned. Ketomaa is barely faster this year with the WRCar than he was with the S2000 last year.

As for Meeke/Sordo I am surprised how close Meeke is to Sordo here with his lack of experience on what is quite a specialised rally.

[cali]

Tanak's commentary via Estonian news portal, rough translation - "i made few mistakes early on, so i eased up a bit. next stages should be more comfortable for me, no problems."
That was after SS4, but he has lost more time on the next two stages. But OK, his speed is very good still and it's problably wiser to drive more comfortable speeds and not to crash.

[Mauri A]

Therman´s Mini.

http://yle.fi/ecepic/neon3/archive/00423/Mattias_Therman_423023b.jpg
Looks quite bad, but fortunately he is so called "gentleman driver" with funds enough to pay car´s restauration!
By the way, do you think that Kimi could also called gentleman driver because he is obiviously paying his driving from his own pocket?
My opinion is that first he must visit a barber shop.

[N.O.T]

now that everyone is pushing we see some normal times again.....Latvala controls the rally and if nothing serious happens i think he is going to win it relatively easy tommorow. The times rom hirvonen show that the citroen drivers cannot match the speed of the locals no matter what.

[wwbroe]

Hanninen is doing a very good job once again, now in front of Ott Tanak. Very interesting battle between those two and beating a lot of WRC drivers, including five year wonderboy Matt Wilson.

[Tom206wrc]

It's lookin' good for Loeb on championship standings. Hirvonen is 15th and this rally was his chance to catch Loeb.


Mmmmh...you mean last chance for FORD to beat Citroën this season :confused:

[makinen_fan]

but mikko has a much much better road position tha sebs. and latvala is still struggling somewhat with his driving, i dont think he controls the event.

[Tom206wrc]

now that everyone is pushing we see some normal times again.....Latvala controls the rally and if nothing serious happens i think he is going to win it relatively easy tommorow. The times rom hirvonen show that the citroen drivers cannot match the speed of the locals no matter what.



In your dreams :p : I predict another Citroën 1-2 :D

[wwbroe]

Next stage will be live in about five minutes. Will we see any important changes?

[N.O.T]

In your dreams :p : I predict another Citroën 1-2 :D

i wish for 1-2 citroen but i predict an easy win by latvala...especially tommorow when the stages are very well known to him.

[Francis44]

If Citroen manages a 1-2 tomorrow, it will be a huge wake up call for Ford, and they need one.

[wwbroe]

No more splits for Petter?

[Micke_VOC]

are that any site who have mms-pictures from the spectators ?

Like this site: Mms-bilder från Rally Sweden - Rally Sweden | Sveriges Radio (http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2505&artikel=785489) from Rally Sweden

[N.O.T]

If Citroen manages a 1-2 tomorrow, it will be a huge wake up call for Ford, and they need one.

Losing 6 in a row did not wake them up, so i doubt a defeat here will....

But times show that Latvala if he doesn't do anything stupid will win hands in pockets tommorow....

[Francis44]

Meeke improving.

And atleast it will be a wake up call for Malcolm Wilson. Victorys in Sweden and Finland are sacred to them, and you take one away, they are not happy.

[Miika]

@ Hassi:
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/223957_10150275349099243_795179242_7470235_1090387 _n.jpg

YLE Ralliradio - Entreprise - Jyväskylä | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/YLE-Ralliradio/124998597529098)

[Micke_VOC]

Great time from Östberg..

[Francis44]

Funny Östberg says car is better after the spin, quite strange to be honest.

[Luis Pacheco]

... especially Araújo is turning out to be a big dissapointment in my book.

The portuguese press and the fans will not agreed with you. He has nothing to prove they say ...

[AndyRAC]

Meeke improving.

And at least it will be a wake up call for Malcolm Wilson. Victorys in Sweden and Finland are sacred to them, and you take one away, they are not happy.

Unfortunately, there are 10/11 other Rallies that make up the WRC....If they haven't woken up to the fact that Citroen have a faster more reliable car, then I don't know what will.

[N.O.T]

The portuguese press and the fans will not agreed with you. He has nothing to prove they say ...

he never proved anything though.... so its ok, another tourist is not that bad...we are full of these "gentlemen" useless nobodys...

I see the portugese fans and the greek fans have alot incommon...both are brainless yes men.

[Tom206wrc]

i wish for 1-2 citroen but i predict an easy win by latvala...especially tommorow when the stages are very well known to him.

He first has to stay on the road, that isn't guaranted at all ;)

[cali]

Ketomaa in trouble ...

[wwbroe]

Ooh no, Petter stopped in stage

[6789]

Solberg stopped?

[jonkka]

Radio reports that Ketomaa might be in trouble.

[René]

Petter stopped in SS8

[focus206]

also Ketomaa stopped???

[cali]

Ketomaa rolled

[HarriK]

also Ketomaa stopped???

rolled

[focus206]

Nooo Ketomaa :( DAMN!!!

[Miika]

Ketomaa in the woods, says the rumour.

[6789]

rolled
Finnish radio is it reporting?

[wwbroe]

Seems Ketooma went off?

[Francis44]

The portuguese press and the fans will not agreed with you. He has nothing to prove they say ...

Actually there are mixed reactions, there are various factions of fans in Portugal saying all kinds of bad things about his driving, ofcourse most people outside of the sport tend to think he is a hero because of all the press he gets in national channels, they say so much bull**** sometimes I even get sick.

The press says only good things about him because he's the first in many years to compete at top level, there was so much hunger that now everything is eatable.

[wwbroe]

What about Petter, is he still running?


Edit: he is there now at stage end

[jonkka]

Yes, Petter has finished

[MartijnS]

Yes he completed the stage :)

[focus206]

Petter seems to have finished with a good time :confused:

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen will be in top 10 allready after this stage, i think he can still be in top five at end of rally, don't you guys agree?

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvonen is flying...will he stay on the road by attacking like Hell :confused:

[Woodeye]

What a shame for Ketomaa. Hopefully he gets another chance.

[wwbroe]

Tanak just a fraction faster as Juho on stage 7, so they keep the fight going. ;)

[RS]

Amazing times by Hanninen and Tanak in SS7, less than 0.5s/km from the top.

[MikeD]

Actually there are mixed reactions, there are various factions of fans in Portugal saying all kinds of bad things about his driving, ofcourse most people outside of the sport tend to think he is a hero because of all the press he gets in national channels, they say so much bull**** sometimes I even get sick.

The press says only good things about him because he's the first in many years to compete at top level, there was so much hunger that now everything is eatable.

How do you compare him with Sousa?

[René]

I guess the SS9 will be clean for everyone? We will see what is going on or the start again with tactical method.....

[wwbroe]

Great time for Hirvonen coming up.

[MJW]

Almost time for Citroen splits to stop working,and for them to revert to manual splits to the Citroen driver(s) especially with JML only plus 5 seconds.

[wwbroe]

Why does Meeke have a 20 sec penalty at results Vysledky?

[6789]

^ lol @ the splits. Some good times by JML, exciting!

[Micke_VOC]

In PWRC, Mikko Pajunen is third in Clio R3 =) Pretty amazing !

[wwbroe]

In PWRC, Mikko Pajunen is third in Clio R3 =) Pretty amazing !

Yes, i have noticed he is setting some amazing times, hopes he keeps it up.

[rubla]

Just a thought - As again we see that top S2000 guys are nearly as fast as wrc drivers, is there a point keeping both classes? If those calsses were united, we could see much more action...

[cali]

Novikov in troubles

[darkstar]

hirvonen is amazing!

[wrc1600]

I would love to see faces of those who said all those rubbish about Mikko being slow and even wanted him to give up ;)

[Francis44]

How do you compare him with Sousa?

Sousa is kind of a spoiled guy, he started with top cars with father's money, however I think in the not so long future Sousa should be faster than Armindo, nowhere near top level though.

[N.O.T]

the return to nobodys land for ketomaa...

next please...

[wwbroe]

What happened with Novikov?

[wwbroe]

the return to nobodys land for ketomaa...

next please...

Maybe we might see a flying Greek instead of a flying Finn? :D

[Miika]

Lindroos off in Ketomaa´s place as well.

[Woodeye]

the return to nobodys land for ketomaa...

next please...

You are able to do that deep analysis after his first rally in WRC? Isn't that a bit rought, don't you think?

[Tom206wrc]

Lindros in SS8 :confused:

Edit: OK Miika answered ;)

[Langdale Forest]

Looking at the entry list, this rally seems to have the biggest number of entries for years, this makes it even more of a discrace that to watch WRC on TV in the UK, you have to pay alot of money for ESPN coverage, very bad for the sport's reputation and sponsors.

The people who keep trying to upload day review videos to YouTube should be classed as heroes by people with an intrest in the WRC.

Also very devious that wrc.com does not have commentary on it's videos, just stupid music.

[wwbroe]

Lindroos off in Ketomaa´s place as well.

That is not the smartest thing he could do. He allready went off before and was never on the pace. Not VW Motorsport material i am afraid.

[rubla]

Tanak's commentary via Estonian news portal, rough translation - "i made few mistakes early on, so i eased up a bit. next stages should be more comfortable for me, no problems."

Ok, that was after 4th. Now new comment after 6th:

"We are just driving, but Hanninen is pushing on the limit. We are going little below our top pace now. In the morning one jump went bit too long and we do not want to drive ourselves to pieces right now."

[N.O.T]

Lindroos also no splits....

[wrc1600]

Looking at the entry list, this rally seems to have the biggest number of entries for years, this makes it even more of a discrace that to watch WRC on TV in the UK, you have to pay alot of money for ESPN coverage, very bad for the sport's reputation and sponsors.

The people who keep trying to upload day review videos to YouTube should be classed as heroes by people with an intrest in the WRC.

Also very devious that wrc.com does not have commentary on it's videos, just stupid music.
It seems to me that they don't understand what damage they've done to wrc by limiting tv coverage. It is waste of money for sponsors and no or little profit for tv.

[wrc1600]

Looking at the entry list, this rally seems to have the biggest number of entries for years, this makes it even more of a discrace that to watch WRC on TV in the UK, you have to pay alot of money for ESPN coverage, very bad for the sport's reputation and sponsors.

The people who keep trying to upload day review videos to YouTube should be classed as heroes by people with an intrest in the WRC.

Also very devious that wrc.com does not have commentary on it's videos, just stupid music.
It seems to me that they don't understand what damage they've done to wrc by limiting tv coverage. It is waste of money for sponsors and no or little profit for tv.

[Walach]

And Novikov stopped..?

[wwbroe]

And Novikov stopped..?

Yes, he is stopped in the stage, near the end, but no news about his problem.

[Bartek]

Also Tanak stopped...

[wwbroe]

Ott Tanak stopped also in the stage, that would be really pitty.

[hari]

Tanak stopped according to radio

[N.O.T]

BAh.... :( :( :(

[Bartek]

Tanak is moving !

[wwbroe]

Tanak back on the move apparently.

[René]

Tanak restart again

[focus206]

Loeb pushing hard on SS9

[N.O.T]

some comparisons to last year

ss Laajavouori (2010) 2:33 winner Solberg
ss Laajavouori (2011) 2:37 winner Loeb

only this stage was exactly the same between the two years.....

[wwbroe]

Looks like JML had a "big" moment on this stage, luckily he survived it.

[wwbroe]

Tanak lost almost 3,5 minutes compared to Juho, so that battle is unfortunally also over.

[N.O.T]

LATVALA J.-M. / ANTTILA M. "I had a moment at the beginning. I have low car and it was rutty. We lost a bit, never mind." from rally.cz

[Hartusvuori]

Real shame for Ketomaa and Lindroos. This could be the end of their hopes of more high profile international events. Shame for Tänak too. Hänninen will now cruise bored to the victory.

Driving to Mynnilä from Koukunmaa. Didn't find really find a good spot. Also far less spectators than on the previous stages around Jyväskylä, most noticeably no international spectators. Perhaps most choosed Hyväneula which was only stage run twice.

[N.O.T]

New leader Ogier....

[Tom206wrc]

Ogier in the lead :)

[wwbroe]

Seems like Miko is pushing on this one as well, he will be in pointscoring position after this one i suppose.

[Hartusvuori]

Latvala fell into ditch as car started sliding after sumpguard hit the ruts.

Laajavuori was little different last year. The artificial jump at the beginning was removed for this year.

[focus206]

I think (and I hope) Jari-Matti is controlling the situation and he is not pushing so much, to start behind on the 3rd day...

[Tom206wrc]

Seems like Miko is pushing on this one as well, he will be in pointscoring position after this one i suppose.


Isn't he already 8th :confused:

[wwbroe]

Isn't he already 8th :confused:

No, he was 9th before start of this stage.

[wwbroe]

Does somebody know the reason why Tanak stopped in previous stage? Was it a puncture or any mechanical problem?

[focus206]

Wait, no splits for Mikko...

EDIT: ok he finished the stage

[Hartusvuori]

SS7 Koukunmaa stopped and will be a liason for the remaining crews. Someone went off, but no news who or where.

Damn long spectator liasons due to new route.

[Xsara Fan]

Yesturday at SS3 I saw Ketomaa`s run and it was too much sideways. Local drivers are fast in Finland, but when they start to be a spectacular - they crashed. Look at Rantanen, Ketomaa...

P.S.: JML was too sideways to.
P.P.S.: Novikov out of the rally at SS8 - fuel pump.

[Subarulover]

is there any working livestream from the live broadcasting in 2 hours from MTV3 finland?

[focus206]

If everything goes well for Mikko, he can finish the rally in 5th place. Unless retirements from the top drivers, obviously.

[Hartusvuori]

This days proves to be as destructive as predicted. Retirements poor in.

Apparently Ketomaa's on the move again though?

[darkstar]

if there will be some tactic play´s it also might help hirvonen a bit.

[Mintexmemory]

If everything goes well for Mikko, he can finish the rally in 5th place. Unless retirements from the top drivers, obviously.

Watch this space, I think he can go higher because Loeb and Ogier can see that the Fiesta has the necessary speed for JML to beat them so they have to push hard tomorrow, Ogier particularly. It's those circumstances that have seen little Seb make errors this year

[Barreis]

This Meeke is a pussylicker.

[pete c]

This Meeke is a pussylicker.


??????

[cali]

Tänak spun, stalled and couldn't get engine started

[Mintexmemory]

This Meeke is a pussylicker.

Why?? Is this a new way of describing 'let's get both cars to a top 10 finish' policy. Already both Minis are faster than the Customer cars and they won't be trying for outright pace

[cali]

Why?? Is this a new way of describing 'let's get both cars to a top 10 finish' policy. Already both Minis are faster than the Customer cars and they won't be trying for outright pace

Why do bother to answer his rather st***d posts? It doesn't change his capability of thinking straight anyhow

[RS]

This Meeke is a pussylicker.

??

[Tom206wrc]

Watch this space, I think he can go higher because Loeb and Ogier can see that the Fiesta has the necessary speed for JML to beat them so they have to push hard tomorrow, Ogier particularly. It's those circumstances that have seen little Seb make errors this year



Nope...Latvala is more likely to crash than the Sebs :rolleyes:

[cali]

TÄNAK O. / SIKK K. (st. č. 22) "We had a spin and unable to restart engine on previous one. Now another spin."

[Josti]

Nope...Latvala is more likely to crash than the Sebs :rolleyes:

Ogier choked before, in Mexico and Argentina. Loeb will never crash.

[Barreis]

Sordo was faster then Meeke in JWRC and now again.

[Donney]

Which means absolutely nothing, both are great drivers.

[Josti]

Sordo was faster then Meeke in JWRC and now again.

Yeah what a disgrace. You seem to forget that Sordo has been a top-line WRC driver for 5 years. Btw, Meeke's been faster on some stages, and otherwise pretty equal to Sordo. You're just nitpicking.

[gravelman]

Sordo was faster then Meeke in JWRC and now again.


How many Rally Finlands has Sordo done before?? Meekes pace has been impressive and after his non finish in Sardinia, I would not blame hime for wanting a finish here, as some people have a wrong impression of him as being another "McCrash". If you're going to post nonsenical ravings up here, you might want to support them with some actual statistics and evidence. Meeke has been faster than Sordo on 4 stages so far during this rally, despite not having competed in Finland for over 5 years. He and Paul have earned their place in WRC the tough way and not through the silver spoon method that so many have found themselves there with. His pace has been damned impressive and I am damned proud of my countrymen who are showing that they can hold their own with the best in the world.

[cali]

So if you are slower than Sordo, then you are a pussylicker. Conclusion - the whole forum users are pussylickers then :D

[N.O.T]

and you sure could use better words than that...or is it the only other english word you know apart for the +1 ?????

[J.Lindstroem]

This Meeke is a pussylicker.

Its not his fault that you never get to lick any pussy.

[Barreis]

You're not right. I lick when I must. :D

[Mintexmemory]

So if you are slower than Sordo, then you are a pussylicker. Conclusion - the whole forum users are pussylickers then :D

Who told you :-O!!

[Miika]

The crash mayhem in SS4 Hassi today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww9tr9i8jvQ

[awake27]

Loeb got a broken windscreen by a stone from Ogier's car so probably will lose time in the last stage.

[N.O.T]

The crash mayhem in SS4 Hassi today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww9tr9i8jvQ

Crazy !!! the best, most demading rally in the world !!!!!

[N.O.T]

1 stage to go now....

[gravelman]

//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvOHbxBAEN8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvOHbxBAEN8)N.O.T, you're crazy man, I like you but you're crazy

[GigiGalliNo1]

Can someone post top ten so far? :)

[xavier]

Loeb got a broken windscreen by a stone from Ogier's car so probably will lose time in the last stage.

A 2 minutes flying stone? Ogier's tires have some grip!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Haha Loeb!

Sucker! Not Licker! :p

[N.O.T]

they run in twos in the superspecial.....

[darkstar]

no! the stone was travelling fast forward in time, after ogier had startet 2 minutes behind loeb and throwed it up. the stone was waiting for loeb on the finshline then already. sounds quite logic to me...

[Micke_VOC]

The crash mayhem in SS4 Hassi today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww9tr9i8jvQ

Spectacular =)

[Marre]

A 2 minutes flying stone? Ogier's tires have some grip!

Haha, they drove the superspecial, but funny anyway :)

[Miika]

Top guys driving the super-SS 10 Jokimaa:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsSv6AxfJtY

[Tom206wrc]

In about 30 minutes start of SS11 :)

[N.O.T]

If you see the stage times for tommorows stages from last year and you are a citroen fan you are going to be dissapointed...Latvala is going to drive circles around the citroen guys.

[uranium]

Interesting, will Citroens play tacticks?

[N.O.T]

they cannot play tactics.....

[Miika]

Ogier was in total 10 seconds faster than Latvala in tomorrow´s stages last year.

[uranium]

they cannot play tactics.....

Why?

[N.O.T]

i don't think so...check again....

[Tom206wrc]

Interesting, will Citroens play tacticks?

Loeb's tactick will be called "broken windscreen" :p :

[N.O.T]

a very rough calculation shows that Latvala was 9 seconds faster than Ogier....

[N.O.T]

Why?

becasue latvala drives after Loeb/Ogier so if they slow down he will slow down as well....

[N.O.T]

Assuming Loeb will lose around 10-15 seconds on the last stage Latvala will have a dilema....slow down to fall behind Loeb thus giving Ogier an advantage or probably 20+ seconds ?? or go flat out (assuming Ogier will slow down not to start first) finish the rally in the lead with a 5 seconds advantage over ogier and 20 over Loeb......tricky decision....lets see. Of course a third option will be to Let ogier start first and he will be second but the difference to Loeb will be much smaller.....

[N.O.T]

no splis....great....

[Brother John]

Can we see the last stage from today live on Internet?

[Luis Pacheco]

The crash mayhem in SS4 Hassi today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww9tr9i8jvQ

:eek:

[N.O.T]

the slowing begins for ogier....lets see latvalas reaction....

[N.O.T]

LOL at Ogier.....

[N.O.T]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. Slowed down before finish "We started one minute later, but it was not our fault. No penalty for that. I can't talk about delay."

got 10 sec penalty.....

Ogier slowed down as well before the finish lets see latvala.....

[N.O.T]

Solberg -29 seconds on 1st split ????????

[focus206]

Ogier as usual :rolleyes:

[N.O.T]

All played tactics.....what a farce.....

1.Loeb
2.Ogier
3.Latvala

for tommorow....but if solbergs splits are correct then he might be the leader....we will see....

[René]

What is this mess???

[N.O.T]

Ogier as usual :rolleyes:

They all slowed down.....

[N.O.T]

No splits for Solberg....

[MikeD]

Was this a little payback from Loeb to his team for the Greece tactics?

Correct me if i got it wrong, but Loeb has just handed Latvala the win delibrately and then Loeb will only lose 3 points to Ogier instead of 7 points (diff between 2. and 3. vs. between 1. and 2.)

[xavier]

If Seb Loeb does not get the 10 sec penalty he is in good position.

[focus206]

They all slowed down.....

Now I see

[N.O.T]

Solbergs 1st split is wrong....

[N.O.T]

Was this a little payback from Loeb to his team for the Greece tactics?

Correct me if i got it wrong, but Loeb has just handed Latvala the win delibrately and then Loeb will only lose 3 points to Ogier instead of 7 points (diff between 2. and 3. vs. between 1. and 2.)

its not a payback...he cares about the championship and latvala has no chance to win it so....

[N.O.T]

Good time by Meeke...

[Brother John]

What is this mess???

French mess from Citroën.

[focus206]

Latvala is in a good position for the win tomorrow... let's hope he does not crash again.

[MikeD]

its not a payback...he cares about the championship and latvala has no chance to win it so....

I was just thinking if Loeb did this without Citroën knowing it ... if you understand what I mean. Afterall I am pretty sure Citroën would still prefer to win this rally and since Loeb feels that they are giving tactical info only to Ogier then Loeb just paid the team back by giving the win to Ford.

[xavier]

Latvala is in a good position for the win tomorrow... let's hope he does not crash again.

Not sure about that, Today between SS4 and SS10 JML lost 2.1 seconds on S. Loeb and 6.8s on Ogier.

[N.O.T]

So he wanted revenge fromthe team that has made him a millionare and gave him 7 world titles becuase they favoured Ogier in 1 rally (and said they would do the same for Loeb if he was in the same place)

yes sounds very logical....

[N.O.T]

Not sure about that, Today between SS4 and SS10 JML lost 2.1 seconds on S. Loeb and 6.8s on Ogier.

Tommorows stages are very well known by Latvala and Hirvonen....a win with hands in pockets or a crash is the menu.....

[René]

French mess from Citroën.

Hi Brother John still faithful to the french' s bashing :)

[MikeD]

So he wanted revenge fromthe team that has made him a millionare and gave him 7 world titles becuase they favoured Ogier in 1 rally (and said they would do the same for Loeb if he was in the same place)

yes sounds very logical....

Ok, fair point, but then tell me why the two Citroën drivers might have just sacrified a 1-2 for a 2-3? Something is not quite right with what happened...

[Brother John]

So he wanted revenge fromthe team that has made him a millionare and gave him 7 world titles becuase they favoured Ogier in 1 rally (and said they would do the same for Loeb if he was in the same place)

yes sounds very logical....

So well written here N.O.T! They give him 7 world titles ....hahaha.

[bluuford]

Wooaah.. what a day.. Finally reached to the computer again. Is today the final day for WRC Academy in Finland? I just noticed that there are less than10 s between Kaur and Breen before the last stage. Awesome. Do not evaluate Latvalas speed according todays pace.Today was new to nearly everyone, Latavala had done some stages with his Escort but it is completely different story..almost like high speed recce .-P. Tomorrow will be very interesting day!

[bluuford]

Ok, fair point, but then tell me why the two Citroën drivers might have just sacrified a 1-2 for a 2-3? Something is not quite right with what happened...

It is clear enough.. Loeb do not want Ogier to get too many points more than he gets. There is 7 points between 1st and 2nd and there is only 3 points between 2nd and third. Citroen have big lead in manus and Loeb can afford without Quensel whining too much :-P

[Tom206wrc]

Solberg P has to push tomorrow if he doesn't want to lose his 4th place to Hirvonen :s

[Tom206wrc]

... Is today the final day for WRC Academy in Finland? ...


What ??? M-Sport doesn't want to face last year's shame with losing almost all the Fiestas ???? :D

[René]

If Ogier goes off road tomorrow by fight with Latvala, Quesnel will have an infarction.... :)

[Petris]

Rally Finland 2011 (http://www.petriskog.com/Rally/2011/Rally-Finland-2011/18278812_Gwdpwh#1406516138_vHkSzcj)

Flying high...

[ZequeArgentina]

It may have been that Loeb started 1 min late on purpose, without informing Citroen, to confuse Ogier about his target time. Would that 10 secs penalty be valid? would not?
I do not think he could give the victory to Ford, and I still think he can win in Finland tomorrow!

[MikeD]

It is clear enough.. Loeb do not want Ogier to get too many points more than he gets. There is 7 points between 1st and 2nd and there is only 3 points between 2nd and third. Citroen have big lead in manus and Loeb can afford without Quensel whining too much :-P

... and its the last part I disagree on because I don't believe it. I cannot imagine that Quesenel thinks it's ok to give away a possible win to Ford - and that's why I think Loeb did this without the team knowing about it - and that's why I think that all is not well between Loeb and Quensel (Because of what happened in Greece).

[ZequeArgentina]

Sorry,double post.

[dinartegouveia]

Let's see how Loeb and Ogier will go tomorrow. Latvala will have something to say. But I think this tactical moves by the driver's is not good for the rally.

[N.O.T]

Ok, fair point, but then tell me why the two Citroën drivers might have just sacrified a 1-2 for a 2-3? Something is not quite right with what happened...

sacrificed ???? please tell me when was the last time a citroen won here against a proper finnish rally driver ??

The win would only come due to factors other than driving....

[MikeD]

sacrificed ???? please tell me when was the last time a citroen won here against a proper finnish rally driver ??

The win would only come due to factors other than driving....

Well actually the two Citroëns have been faster that Latvala all day today when you consider road-positions, so I would say that Loeb has sacrified a Citroën-win, because he wants to minimise the points-gap he might lose to Ogier ... but I still refuse to believe that Quesenel would ever agree to giving a chance for a Team-win by doing this.

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Harry Hunt on SS11 :confused:

[zajic]

Crash of Eyvind Brynildsen from three different angles, see HERE :-) (http://www.rally-mania.cz/news.php?id=11502)

http://www.rally-mania.cz/img_news/big/11502_crash_eyvinda_brynildsena_ze_tri_uhlu_%5Bfot oseriAl_41_foto%5D_0847778207.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/img_news/big/11502_crash_eyvinda_brynildsena_ze_tri_uhlu_%5Bfot oseriAl_41_foto%5D_fed1760ba0.jpg

[Barreis]

Miika, any new video from today action?

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/906/906_rally_finland_2011_9938d3a4c5.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/906/906_rally_finland_2011_caffa5f46b.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/906/906_rally_finland_2011_997c5c41d7.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/906/906_rally_finland_2011_bf485939b4.jpg

More photos from Friday HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=906&fseason=2011)

[Miika]

Miika, any new video from today action?

Footage from stages 4-7, some more later if there´s something worth posting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-XwR1AvK18

[bluuford]

A few Pictures of Ketomaa car: Piltuudis: Eilse üllataja ralli lõppes auto lõhkumisega - Sport, Auto ja Moto - Postimees.ee (http://sport.postimees.ee/514308/piltuudis-eilse-ullataja-ralli-loppes-auto-lohkumisega/)

More pictures from the second day:Galeriid - Postimees.ee - Soome ralli teine võistluspäev (http://www.postimees.ee/?g=4628&art=514300#165536)

seems that Academy is still doing all three days in Finland

[Barreis]

Footage from stages 4-7, some more later if there´s something worth posting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-XwR1AvK18

THX. :)

[Miika]

..and stages 8-11, with the tactics play and interviews in the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaCkmjeFyhI

[tfp]

..and stages 8-11, with the tactics play and interviews in the end:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaCkmjeFyhI

Top marks for the video mate, thanks!

Funny comment from Ogier when he was asked about Loebs time penalty -
Ogier - "Daniel Elena is getting old, maybe he cant see his watch!"

[Micke_VOC]

Some big chrashes ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HVlbIngOK8

[Hartusvuori]

Good morning from SS12 Leustu. Novikov's jump (Visalanhyppyri) is still rather peaceful, mostly international spectators that have stayed overnight. There were however a queue of cars about 1 km already and more to come.

Could someone with proper internet connection post here (no link) who of the retired will superrally today: Novikov? Ketomaa? Lindroos?

[6789]

Good morning from SS12 Leustu. Novikov's jump (Visalanhyppyri) is still rather peaceful, mostly international spectators that have stayed overnight. There were however a queue of cars about 1 km already and more to come.

Could someone with proper internet connection post here (no link) who of the retired will superrally today: Novikov? Ketomaa? Lindroos?
Novikov is on the start list, no Ketomaa or Lindroos.

WRC link here for anyone who wants it World Rally Championship - Results - Neste Oil Rally Finland (http://wrc.com/results/2011/neste-oil-rally-finland/start-lists/)

[vkangas]

Good morning from leustu also! Found nice place on the pile of logs at spectator area F :)

[Hartusvuori]

Novikov is on the start list, no Ketomaa or Lindroos.



Thanks! Shame for Lindroos. I would've liked to see him all the mileage in S2000 - but of course it was his mistake.

15 minutes!

[6789]

Thanks! Shame for Lindroos. I would've liked to see him all the mileage in S2000 - but of course it was his mistake.

15 minutes!
No worries!

Its about 9 minutes now, should be an excellent day. Fighting for seconds right until the end :)

[Tom206wrc]

Start SS12 in a few minutes :cool:

[6789]

Anyone getting splits up on WRC.com?

[WRCfan]

Good morning. Hoping for a good day for Latvala. Would be nice to break the stranglehold the DS3 boys have on the podium this year...

[6789]

Good morning. Hoping for a good day for Latvala. Would be nice to break the stranglehold the DS3 boys have on the podium this year...
Loeb up by 3.3secs up at 3rd split on Ogier.

Yeah I hope JML can get the win

[Miika]

Hahaa, Seb 1.0 in grande attack mode. Maybe the roads will dry out later today so he has to try his everything right in the morning.

[Hartusvuori]

Ogier landed smooth like a cat at around 50 metres. JML a bit on the nose and five metres shorter.

[Hartusvuori]

Sordo had bit of Novikov style, landing on the rear.

[René]

Good morning all, it seems that loeb is correctly awaked

[Tom206wrc]

Well...who says to go first on the road in Finland is a handicap ??? :p :

[jonkka]

It's early in the morning and overnight dampness is helping first runner. When humidity is burned away by the sun, Loeb will begin to suffer.

[Miika]

The roads will dry out soon, but maybe it is already too late then for Ogier and Latvala.

[CABAIO E'LONA]

Good morning all.. now, SS13 Loeb 0.9 seconds faster than Ogier in the first split...

[6789]

Loeb going well again in SS13

[René]

Only 35 km sweeping remain now....

[N.O.T]

No sweeping...its damp so the first car has an advantage :D :D

[René]

2 Frenchs drivers leading the Rally Finland.... I guess the stages are damp because of the tears of the spectators??? :D :D

[N.O.T]

LOL...nice one.

[wwbroe]

Meeke is loosing quite a lot of time on today's stages. He says he never saw this stages before, but i guess that was also the case yesterday?

[N.O.T]

next stage is live...no splits yet though. Its the one Hirvonen had hs accident last year

[6789]

lol @ tears big stage coming up

[wwbroe]

Seb 1 is beating Seb 2 once more, great driving by Loeb.

[wwbroe]

JML: there is not much i can do at the moment, it doesn't look good.

[N.O.T]

17 seconds....hmmm its possible but with huge risks...lets see.

Very happy that the rain thre all the tactics in the bin :D :D

[Miika]

No reports of rain in the night, morning mist/fog does the same trick as well and keeps the surface damp in the morning.

[Tomi]

No reports of rain in the night, morning mist/fog does the same trick as well and keeps the surface damp in the morning.

True, but that makes it quite equal for everyone, in afternoon the front guys will loose what they win now, because of the conditions.

[Tomi]

17 seconds....hmmm its possible but with huge risks...lets see.

Very happy that the rain thre all the tactics in the bin :D :D

17 sec is quite much here, i dont think he can win by driving.

[Tomi]

Meeke is loosing quite a lot of time on today's stages. He says he never saw this stages before, but i guess that was also the case yesterday?

same will be in many other rallies too, thats the price the guys who spend their time in the Lady Cup have to pay.

[Tom206wrc]

At last !!!! Räikkönen in front of Wilslow overall :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

...
Very happy that the rain thre all the tactics in the bin :D :D



Me too !!! GO CITROËN :bounce:

[MikeD]

At last !!!! Räikkönen in front o Wilslow overall :mark:

He will definitely have to go to his Nascar adventure if he is beaten by Wilslow on home soil.

[Woodeye]

17 seconds....hmmm its possible but with huge risks...lets see.

Very happy that the rain thre all the tactics in the bin :D :D

Even though it means that Finn is not going to win this year, I have to agree.

[Fly]

Nikara is flying.

[wwbroe]

Nikara is very fast, but makes also so many mistakes. He put it on his roof yesterday, so good result was gone allready.

[GINE]

Very good pace by Sordo-MINI!!!!
0.32 sec /km in the last stage, when all the factory citroens and fords are going at maximum pace....

[wwbroe]

Stage 15 is now live, let's see if JML or Ogier can do something back against Seb 1.

[N.O.T]

latvala very dissapointing so far.....Ogier is trying but cannot do much.

[N.O.T]

It looks almost impossible for latvala now.....

[wwbroe]

Ogier is coming just a little bit closer, but JML is loosing a little bit more. Disappointing times by Solberg, he has to look out for both Ostberg and Hirvonen.

[wwbroe]

Mikko is on a charge again, he will catch up with Solberg if he can keep this speed up.

[N.O.T]

Hirvonens pace shows that he would win comfortably in Finland this year without his mistake...so what is wrong with Latvala ???