Wrc 2

[lcd]

I think It's a matter of time we hear from Milestone and their new WRC project.
Till that happens, thought to start some constructive discussion posting
thoughts and Ideas of what to expect In the next WRC game.

I'll make a start:

-unique stages, no reusing the same parts of a stage.
-More narrow roads, tighter hairpins.
-Retire from a stage, not from the whole rally.
-More detailed enviroment.
-Dynamic weather.
-Dynamic time of day.
-More realistic sounds.
-More detailed pacenotes.

[Blazquez]

phfff where do i have to start....

i will add to the unique stages,... real life (LONG)stages ( not all 21 from a rally but atleast 3 or 4 real stages + reverse just more and real! )

- REAL RALLY SCHEDULE! so not after each stage a service!
- a better detailed / realistic service area ! like in CMR2005 ( RBR would be perfect , but i guess thats to detailed for a overall game ) and the look like Colin McRae dirt 2
- An option to have a recce , and at the recce an option to write your own pacenotes
- REAL ENGINE SOUNDS!
- as said before ,... narow roads,...
- a bigger damage model!
- use real fans visitors beside the roads! whit flags etc.
- Marshals!( they are very importent in a rally! ) + the media
- A Forum! to put those ideas overthere!
- ow and they should take a look at hairpins... i dont knwo how hairpins look like in italia ,.... but i guess its not like that in the game

phff... i guess there is a lot more , but i dont get it at the moment ... maybe later

[pino]

At the moment I can only think about :

More stages per country
More Group B
More rallycars from the past

[lcd]

At least there will be some fresh news early February, since 5 winners of the wrcthegame.com contest
will visit Milestone's studio and watch a Pre-Alpha version of WRC2011.
Hope they give It to the press right after that! ;)

[lcd]

It's not official, but some rumors say the 2011 title, will be delayed until the end of the year, since Milestone
want to deliver a very Improved 2nd game, based on the feedback the have received. ;)

[Allyc85]

Sounds ok to me, id rather play a great rally game instead of something that was rushed.

[Blazquez]

It's not official, but some rumors say the 2011 title, will be delayed until the end of the year, since Milestone
want to deliver a very Improved 2nd game, based on the feedback the have received. ;)

where did u found that info? and i hope they will take all my advise hahaha but i am not sure if i sent it all ....

[lcd]

where did u found that info?...

On Italian forum, from a guy working for Milestone, who often posts there.

Anyway, delaying the title In order to get It more accurate, Is a great decision. Milestone got to try even harder this time to regain their lost dignity. One thing they must do for sure, Is stop being so distant and get closer to the fanbase of the series just like CM did, by establishing a forum or whatever and daily communicate with us all giving some step by step Info about the making of 2011 title.Otherwise, no one will believe big words anymore...

Hope they won't focus on 'accessibility' Issue again.That didn't work out!
The WRC audience Is much more sim demanding.Really hope they have understood that by now...
Time will tell.

[MrJan]

Yeah more stages would be great, and limit the repeated sections. Too much of the 2010 game is repeated, not just with reversing the stages but by using the same start/finish of another stage. Effectively every country in WRC2010 is a Y shape and you run 3 stages based on that. Likewise the hairpin thing is something that they must realise needs to be changed. Don't mind if stages are real or not though, TBH the effort into mapping a real life stage would probably be better spent on improving other aspects of the game.

Also agree with the pacenote thing, I've always wanted a game where you can control your own notes.

Not bothered about the service thing though, not sure why its such an issue for some people. I also don't care about having people stood by the side of the road. One of the most annoying things on RBR is the idiots that wave in front of the car (are they photographers?)

[pino]

As suggest by LCD a forum would be very usefull for us and especially for them, I am going to post that on ital forum to make sure they will read it ;)

[lcd]

Let's see If tomorrow, we'll get the names of the five lucky Individuals who will have the opportunity
to visit Milestone's studio and review the WRC 2011 title...
On the special section of wrcthegame.com It says announcement will be made by the end of February (that's today!!! :eek: )

[306 Cosworth]

Any news?

[Frozzy]

i agree some older "Classic" WRC cars would be awesome even if they were DLC to go along with the newer cars and maybe we could have things like slow cars on the stage like in the WRC game

[lcd]

Any news?

Yes,this: '...In terms of physics and force feedback will be improved and of course all other things rewritten from scratch.' :bounce:

[306 Cosworth]

Very quiet here

[lcd]

That's because Milestone keep quiet. ;)

[Blazquez]

That's because Milestone keep quiet. ;)

Did they shut down there blog? should it be true that they are making a forum =O

[lcd]

Did they shut down there blog?

Indeed they closed It and also started moderating their facebook page, removing all negative comments.

[lcd]

New MILESTONE website:
http://www.milestone.it/EN-us/index.htm

[Blazquez]

Any news about WRC2011?

[bennizw]

I can´t believe that after last years failure, Milestone hasn´t adapted to keep in contact with their fanbase. Codemasters has done so for DIRT 3, and it has been a success from start to end. I am sure WRC 2012 would be improved if they actually would bother to take in constructive critisism.

[Blazquez]

I can´t believe that after last years failure, Milestone hasn´t adapted to keep in contact with their fanbase. Codemasters has done so for DIRT 3, and it has been a success from start to end. I am sure WRC 2012 would be improved if they actually would bother to take in constructive critisism.

Agree! thats why the WRC license must go to Codemasters... they are number one at Racing games and really lissen good to there fans! :D

[lcd]

...Codemasters has done so for DIRT 3, and it has been a success from start to end...

Actually, Codemasters did not discuss how DiRT3 should be with anyone.
Communication with their forums started after the game's new direction had almost been decided.
They just took under serious consideration the massive negative feedback of DiRT2, before they moved on.
I suppose something like that Is going to happen, with WRC2011 too.

[bennizw]

LCD, I didn´t say that Codemasters discussed with their fanbase how DIRT 3 should be, I said that they kept in contact. By this I mean giving news, teasers, Q&A sessison and dev. diaries.

[pino]

I agree with you ben...stupid italians :p :

[lcd]

Don't know about you, but haven't lost all faith In Milestone for the next WRC tittle :p
I am going to be very cautius though...

[lcd]

Finally, some fresh news:

http://www.videogame.it/wrc2011-ps3/96687/wrc-torna-ad-ottobre.html

[pino]

Thanks lcd, I better check the ital forum then ;)

[lcd]

October 2011-It's official. http://www.wrcthegame.com/IT-it/prereg.html
First screens/videos In E3 expo at Los Angeles, 7-9 June..?
Black Bean Isn't In the exhibitor list though.

[Rallylegend]

Here also a little bit news from the WRC 2011 game.... should they lissen to our feedback what we gave? http://www.racesimcentral.com/news/

[lcd]

So, no confirmation If Milestone Is developing the 2011 title or not?

[AndyRAC]

A pity Evolutions studios can't make it like the first WRC games - 2,3,4 were fantastic games.

[lcd]

A pity Evolutions studios can't make it like the first WRC games - 2,3,4 were fantastic games.

Agreed. Now let's wait and see, If the developer has changed...

[bennizw]

Let´s hope so..

[mAxL]

So, no confirmation If Milestone Is developing the 2011 title or not?


October 2011-It's official. http://www.wrcthegame.com/IT-it/prereg.html

Here is your answer...Milestone it is ;)

[lcd]

Here is your answer...Milestone it is ;)

Yes, I noticed their logo Is next to the Black Bean one.
Based on the Race Sim article though , Ubisoft ( Black Bean’s UK publishing rights ) doesn't seem to mention
the developer of the new title, so I thought maybe there's something going on there...

[lcd]

Milestone Is confirmed for the WRC2011 development:

source: spaziogames.it

google translated:

During the past week, several newspapers in the industry have reported that Ubisoft wanted as a developer and sole distributor of 2011 World Rally Championship. In a statement, the Leader wished to specify that this information is incorrect. The agreement between Black Bean Games and Ubisoft is related exclusively to the distribution of the entire UK line up the titles of the Italian publisher.
Black Bean Games is the only publisher to hold the worldwide exclusive rights to the WRC license, the game will be developed by Milestone, just as happened last year with the 2010 edition of the WRC FIA World Rally Championship.
Ubisoft will be solely and exclusively distributor of the title, and this agreement applies to the United Kingdom.
WRC FIA World Rally Championship 2011 will be released for PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and PC

[habsalot]

Thanks for the news and updates but still waiting for the 2010 Xbox 360 version to be released in North America.
With Dirt 3 being released next week I hold little hope that the WRC 2010 will be release here. It seems a shame the game looks interesting despite some of the negative reviews.
The career mode and general atmophere seem like a proper Rally experience as far as the graphics are concerned I refer to RacePro , not so hot graphics but great game.

[lcd]

WRC2010 received an Intense criticism, maybe as hard as DiRT2.
Seems CM took the message and they are about to deliver a more decent rally game along
with their promise, to give more rally, after DiRT3.

Let's hope Milestone do the same. ;)

edit: such a shame the 2010game Isn't available all over the world. :(

[mAxL]

Nothing new?

[lcd]

Only this announcement so far:

Ubisoft announces WRC 2011 News - - Page 1 | Eurogamer.net (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-06-ubisoft-announces-wrc-2011-title)

[lcd]

Black Bean Isn't In the exhibitors list of E3 Expo 7-9 June 2011.
But Ubisoft, the WRC2011 title exclusive distributor In the U.K Is!
E3 Expo: June 7-9, 2011 (http://www.e3expo.com/show-info/641/exhibitor-list/)

Really hope to get some news...

[lcd]

F i n a l l y WRC2011 ( or WRC2 If you prefer ) announced!

WRC 2 official rally game release date News - - Page 1 | Eurogamer.net (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-17-wrc-2-official-rally-game-release-date)

[lcd]

I've been Informed, that Milestone are In Greece to present the early version of WRC2 at of the Acropolis rally.

Here are some first reviews from some Greek websites.
You can use the google translation to get an Idea of the very first Greek Impressions!

WRC 2 (@PS3, X360, PC) | Black Bean,X360,Mauro Mazzucchi, (http://www.byteme.gr/gaming-articles/hands-on/wrc_2/?page=2)

WRC 2 - Gameover.gr (http://www.gameover.gr/x360/previews/WRC-2.16336.html)

[bennizw]

I gave them a nag on their facebook page, and suddenly they came with a statement :P

[bennizw]

Promising words from Petter, he wouldn´t lie if the game was crap ;)

[lcd]

Agreed! And they wouldn't dare to Involve him, If they weren't sure, they can deliver a more decent game for 2011.

[bennizw]

What do you get out of the previews LCD? Give us the facts :)

[lcd]

In a few words:

1. The comments use the term 'simulation' for the new game!!!
2. Driving assists will be available again.
2. Dramatically Improved graphics compared to the previous title
3. Stages based more on real locations (not the actual length though) but all superspecials will be just like the real ones.
4. Amazing new cars sounds.

Really hope my Greek fellows, that tested the pre-alpha version, didn't get too much enthusiastic! :D

[bennizw]

Interesting. Thinking of it, the length of the stages in WRC 2010 wasn´t so bad, the only problem was that they were boring as hell. I hope they communicate better with the fan base until release!

[bennizw]

Weird that there will be 15 locations, when this years championship consists of only 13.

[lcd]

...the length of the stages in WRC 2010 wasn´t so bad, the only problem was that they were boring as hell.

I agree on the length Issue, but If they don't drop down the re-used sections, that will be a huge fail.

[lcd]

Here's the video of the presentation:

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[lcd]

More news+video from spaziogames.it

WRC FIA World Rally Championship 2 - pc, ps3, x360 - Anteprima, SpazioGames.it (http://www.spaziogames.it/recensioni_videogiochi/console_console_multi_piattaforma/11832/wrc-fia-world-rally-championship-2.aspx)

Here's the translation of the article (google translator used):

Athens - It can not establish Italy as a fertile ground for the birth and development of new video games. As happens in too many fields, even in gaming, we found the latest to occupy seats in importance and influence on the competitive market. In a landscape so desolate it is, however, some exceptions, such as Milestone, a group of talented programmers who for years have managed to deal with every generational change with skill and dynamism, specializing in driving titles, arcade, but also and especially simulation. The SBK series is a clear example of the competence that characterizes the team, who despite several limitations productive, managed to establish a global franchise as a top class. Milestone last year decided to expand their fleet with a new licensed titles is very important, releasing the first WRC, thought of as a title designed to bring simulation, on consoles and PCs of fans of the rally, the whole spirit of this dirty discipline, or which obviously contained in the gameplay, with vehicles, drivers and real environments. On the occasion of the Greek leg of the World Rally Championship, held this year in the city of Loutraki, Black Bean has exclusively invited to view a few other journalists with a preliminary version of the Code of WRC 2, interview samples Armindo Araujo and Dennis Kuipers, and to participate in the spectacular morning Shakedown Rally of Gods.

Change of clothes
This second chapter of the fledgling series presents some simple objectives, starting from the criticism received last year by the public and press, to release a finally mature in every respect. Black Bean has not hidden like it was the first WRC title designed to lay the foundation of the franchise, focusing most efforts on developing a physics engine and a guidance system complete, deep and interesting, neglecting other aspects such as sector aesthetic or finishes of various kinds. WRC 2 starts right here, completely renovating the graphics engine, enriched in every department. The code presented one car, the Citroen C4, and two tracks, or a stop in Germany and the novelty of this year, represented by the Super Special Stage, specifically the Portuguese Algarve dell'Estadio. Little material from view, but more than enough to become immediately aware of the leaps taken, which now delivers rich environments rendered with excellent detail and lighting system. The model of the car we felt implemented with all the blessings of the case, although the livery is not yet final. As for the German stage, we were pleasantly surprised by the good level of detail of the elements on the track, mainly composed of vegetation made more than moderately, as the ground, mixed asphalt and gravel, covered with well-made textures. Excellent view of the extension, which was lost sight of an eye between the wooded hills, cultivated fields and a few isolated homes. The same holds true for the special stage Portuguese locked in a space much less extended, guaranteed number of elements included to faithfully reproduce the actual amount and return a glance really effective. The finished product will include all stages of this season, which for the uninitiated, is home to some variants of the traditional competitions on stage, setting up in open spaces complete with bleachers for the audience, a race against a top spectacular rate.

Let's get dirty!
Put your hands on the pad, the feelings are returned by the driving model are very close to those of the first WRC, so very good. The choice of the team sets the product halfway between simulation and rigorous accessibility, implementing various driving aids, of course, be deactivated, and granting some license like most track width, to enable better enjoyment of the title. The sequel continues on the same road, going to refine the physics engine, with a reduction of the pendulum and a medium that reacts to stress with more credibility. Having so much content available, we can not clearly express ourselves more accurately on the quality of work, but the feelings are returned by the pre-alpha code are very good, making us hope for the finished product. From a licensing point of view of pure, WRC 2 will include all forms of racing currently divided into nine categories, also including historical models from the sixties, the real names of the pilots, ninety steps divided in fifteen locations for twenty-five conditions different soil, rain and snow. Will be reviewed from scratch the career mode, while waiting for new gameplay options for the time not yet announced, along with a multiplayer open to sixteen players, but even here hiding details.
A long chat with the boys of Black Bean development team has enabled us to see how much passion and expertise of the developer to address the creation of licensed titles. Milestone is well aware of the limitations and defects in their products, and from there starts the processing of various follow-up, always keeping in mind the ultimate goal, or make fun and exciting titles. For this 2 tracks in the WRC will not be replicas of real-life counterparts millimeter, but remodeling project for entertaining, mixing elements characteristic of each stage. Similarly, the road has been widened in order to overcome the various steps with success by players several more categories, a choice that could turn up their noses to the purists, but we feel we share the view of the extreme difficulty of characterizing the different segments real competition and that would be impossible to overcome for most users. Also linked to this philosophy is the return of the Tiger Effect, daMilestone invented years ago with SCAR and allow WRC 2 to rewind time if error, in the demo proved up to a maximum of five times per race, but for now then we know how this feature will be implemented in the final version of the game.

Fact vs. fiction
Assist Shakedown Rally of Gods (this is called the stage of Athens) has allowed us to compare once at close range the real world of rally racing with its virtual reproduction. The WRC is a very visceral racing and at the same time true gentleman, much more open and friendly than those on the circuit. The Park Service, where they join the various teams and drivers with their cars to change settings, or just focus refresh between sessions, it is completely free and open to the public, who can come close to their idols and hot rods to observe them closely. A few kilometers there is the stage itself, once again freely explored on foot, crossing the runway in search of the spot just to enjoy the passage at breakneck speed and constant drift of the pilots. This sport is brutal and dirty as the mud a few others to the passage of a Fiesta driven by Kuipers worth more than any virtual experience. It was also an excellent opportunity to see a detail of a person of superior WRC 2 and confirm that to be well on your way, or playing the roar of the engines, recorded directly into the offices of the teams most important technologies in special rooms with very low noise advanced in order to guarantee made as close as possible to reality.

Final Remarks
WRC 2 is shown for the first time in the best possible venue, or directly alongside the real racing cars, in the roar of their engines and a short walk from the spectacular Athenian stage, revealing a work that seems to proceed in the best way. A very good driving model already in previous work, go back many promising improvements (such as, inter alia, have assured us Armindo Araujo and Dennis Kuipers, directly involved in the early stages of testing), but also the entire industry has been revised aesthetic and technical from zero to allow the product to compete on equal terms Balckbean of a difficult market like few others. The Italian team in fact seems to be able once again to give fans a title packed with their usual care. The release date is currently scheduled for the month of October, stay with us for any updates.

[Frozzy]

hmm improved weather sounds good hopefully it means theres a random chance for rain on certainj stages of the rally.

[pino]

Wow I am so excited about all this, hopefully Milestone will improve a lot in all areas so we can finally have a great rally game :D Dirt3 is an excellent game but isn't a rally game and the rally content is too poor :(

[lcd]

My Acropolis Rally Of Gods photos here:
http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/140781-acropolis-rally-2011-a-33.html

[pino]

Excellent pics lcd :up: wish I was there too :)

[bennizw]

"Similarly, the road has been widened in order to overcome the various steps with success by players several more categories". Widened even more?? I hope not! Oh, great to use Kuipers as a developer, I cannot think of a more useless rally driver :P

[Rallylegend]

"Similarly, the road has been widened in order to overcome the various steps with success by players several more categories". Widened even more?? I hope not! Oh, great to use Kuipers as a developer, I cannot think of a more useless rally driver :P

Do not underestimate Dennis Kuipers he is just 25 years old , is already for more then 5 years driving in the rallysport and he drove many rally cars just a quick list:

BMW Compact M3
Skoda Fabia WRC 05
Peugeot 207 S2000
Ford Focus WRC 06
Porsche 996 GT3
Subaru Impreza WRC S12
Subaru Impreza WRC S14
Ford Fiesta S2000
Ford Fiesta RS WRC

So he got alot of information about rally cars,

Althrough he is not as good as Kevin Abbring,

I am looking forward for WRC2 althrough i guess the stage are not as good as they should be (except of the super special stages)

I am hoping that they will use the service area this time, after a couple of stages a service area and not after each stage, also i hope they update the damage system , weather system on the stage... some importent things i guess

Goodwork Luke for getting the info! :D

[Rallylegend]

Photo's from the cars :

Fiesta

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car16.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car15.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car14.jpg

Some tracks :

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Track5.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Track4.jpg

[Rallylegend]

Some more tracks

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Track3.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Track2.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Track1.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Track6.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Track7.jpg

[Rallylegend]

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Track12.jpg
http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Track11.jpg
http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Track10.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Track9.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Track8.jpg

[Rallylegend]

Lancer EVO X

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car13.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car12.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car11.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car10.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car9.jpg

[Rallylegend]

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car3.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car2.jpg
http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car1.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car8.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/Car5.jpg

Sorry for the spamm about the pictures....

[lcd]

The tracks screenshots still remind of the wrc2010 title graphics.
And the cars don't look very different from the previous game... :rolleyes:

I need to see some more evidence of the huge Improvements we've been told.

[Rallylegend]

The tracks screenshots still remind of the wrc2010 title graphics.
And the cars don't look very different from the previous game... :rolleyes:

I need to see some more evidence of the huge Improvements we've been told.

Agree Luke, the cars look just to shine and not realistic, compare to D3 the cars from Codemasters look also shine but they do look realistic and cool... and about the tracks,.... still looks very wide... and i guess there will be again a service area after each stage... =(

one good thing is that the Superspecial stages (powerstages) will be realistic and full scale lenght! so u can drive against Loeb , Solberg etc... with iOpener, but i am already scared that it will be a dissapointing again...

I hope that Paul Coleman can get the WRC license for 2012 /2013

[lcd]

Rallylegend, sorry I had to delete your posts, since the screenshots aren't available.

[Rallylegend]

Rallylegend, sorry I had to delete your posts, since the screenshots aren't available.

Yhea i know should i repost them? they are gone because i moved them in my photobucket account... but i can upload them again

[Rallylegend]

In game Alpha render:

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/WRC%20Game/Car15.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/WRC%20Game/Car14.jpg

Inreal shots...

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/WRC%20Game/Portugal025.jpg

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/Rallylegend/WRC%20Game/portugal024.jpg

Both are made from the Portugal rally.... i think the differents are to big and , the look from the ingame is so wierd... i mean look at the front glass and just the car it selfs... in game it looks like a toy car :( Just as they had in WRC2010

I have no idea what they should change to make it more realistic

[bennizw]

Make the tyres more realistic, not so they look like Noddy´s car.

[lcd]

Latest Info: Milestone are Introducing a feature similar to DiRT's Flashback,
where you could rewind In case of an error, and continue the race.
Not a fan of It at all, but some may like It (?)

[lcd]

My updated wish list for WRC2:

1. Unique stages-Reusing same parts didin't work out.
2. More narrow roads-more twisty,with tighter hairpins, bumbs & blind crests.
3. Better -realistic- sounds.
4. Weather system/Time of day/Night stages.
5. More acurrate/natural spoken pacenotes.
6. More varied and full enviroment-scenary looks quite 'empty' at some stages.
7. More cars from the past-If possible.
8. Offline custom championship mode-mix and match countries/stages/weather e.t.c.
9. False start penalty-Retire from stage,not whole rally.Super rally feature-If possible.
10. Podium footage or special front end stuff,after winning a rally/championship.
11. More spectators,marshals,media people on stages.
12. A helicopter view In replays.
13. Save replays feature-If possible.
14. Shorter,less repeative carreer mode.
15. Addition of shakedown stages-superspecials.
16.Online: Please give us the option to create custom rallies,
give them a title and schedule them any date/time we wish. (Like RSRBR11 public sessions)

Things In a right direction from 2010 title:

1. Handling/Physics.
2. Damage system-Improve only visual-mechanical was Improved after patch.
3. Changes of terrain.
3. Particles effects.
4. Fast loading times.
5. Stages length.
6. Car setup options.

Good luck!

[pino]

My updated wish list for WRC2:

1. Unique stages-Reusing same parts didin't work out.
2. More narrow roads-more twisty,with tighter hairpins, bumbs & blind crests.
3. Better -realistic- sounds.
4. Weather system/Time of day/Night stages.
5. More acurrate/natural spoken pacenotes.
6. More varied and full enviroment-scenary looks quite 'empty' at some stages.
7. More cars from the past-If possible.
8. Offline custom championship mode-mix and match countries/stages/weather e.t.c.
9. False start penalty-Retire from stage,not whole rally.Super rally feature-If possible.
10. Podium footage or special front end stuff,after winning a rally/championship.
11. More spectators,marshals,media people on stages.
12. A helicopter view In replays.
13. Save replays feature-If possible.
14. Shorter,less repeative carreer mode.
15. Addition of shakedown stages-superspecials.
16.Online: Please give us the option to create custom rallies,
give them a title and schedule them any date/time we wish. (Like RSRBR11 public sessions)

Things In a right direction from 2010 title:

1. Handling/Physics.
2. Damage system-Improve only visual-mechanical was Improved after patch.
3. Changes of terrain.
3. Particles effects.
4. Fast loading times.
5. Stages length.
6. Car setup options.

Good luck!

Nice but you should post this on Ital forum where Milestone can read it ;)

[bennizw]

Post it for him, Pino ;)

[lcd]

I'd apreciate If pino could translate It In some real Italian (google translator sucks btw) and I'll post It myself! ;)
I have posted It monthes ago In their fb page though (discussion section-'What do you expect from WRC2011')

[pino]

I'd apreciate If pino could translate It In some real Italian (google translator sucks btw) and I'll post It myself! ;)
I have posted It monthes ago In their fb page though (discussion section-'What do you expect from WRC2011')

I will translate it and pm to you so you can post there ;)

[Walach]

Would be also nice to see a proper rims on the cars. Not the crap like in WRC 2010. :-)

[lcd]

Thanks pino! ;)

[Rallylegend]

I am just hopeing that the menu will look something like this

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and perhaps they can also learn something from how the car looks and the stage,

what they dont need to do is get the handeling and physics like this

[lcd]

Hmmm...very hard to beat that game. :rolleyes:
IMO WRC4 (PS2) Is the most complete game of the series. Evolution studios were very much ahead oh their times.
I wish they were still around In rally gaming.

[lcd]

Here's the 2011 teaser.
I was expecting something more Impressive or creative to be honest.

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[woody2goody]

Hmmm...very hard to beat that game. :rolleyes:
IMO WRC4 (PS2) Is the most complete game of the series. Evolution studios were very much ahead oh their times.
I wish they were still around In rally gaming.

That was a hell of a game. What made Evolution's games so good were the stages themselves. If Black Bean can get stages close to the ones they delivered in WRC4 then I think we will have an excellent game on our hands.

[lcd]

...What made Evolution's games so good were the stages themselves...

You are 100% right! :up:

[habsalot]

Hoping for region free and /or NA release for Xbox this time around .

[Rallylegend]

Hoping for region free and /or NA release for Xbox this time around .

Belive me u did not missed anything about the first WRC game :)

[lcd]

Belive me u did not missed anything about the first WRC game :)

Maybe, but not being able to find It anywhere In the world, Is a very bad thing. :(

[lcd]

WRC2 game on wrc.com!

World Rally Championship - News - October release for WRC 2 video game (http://www.wrc.com/news/october-release-for-wrc-2-video-game/?fid=14901)

[bennizw]

Old news ;)

[lcd]

he he I know. Just never posted In this thread! :p

[mAxL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qudNfET4D8Q

[pino]

Lcd, translation please :D

[lcd]

Okay, In a few words:

1. Improvements and additions have been made, compared to the 2010 title.
2. New graphics engine for more detailed graphics and Impressive presentation.
3. More accurate locations/enviroment/cars models/visual and mechanical damage.
4. The handling of WRC2 this time Is moving towards simulation (!)
5. Dennis Kuipers has been Involved with the cars physics and behaviour.
6. Petter Solberg said WRC2 Is a realistic game and claimed that real rally drivers could really find It usefull (!)

Pretty encouraging report. As I have mentioned before, let's hope my Greek fellows didn't get too much enthousiastic!

[MrJan]

Okay, In a few words:

1. Improvements and additions have been made, compared to the 2010 title.
2. New graphics engine for more detailed graphics and Impressive presentation.
3. More accurate locations/enviroment/cars models/visual and mechanical damage.
4. The handling of WRC2 this time Is moving towards simulation (!)
5. Dennis Kuipers has been Involved with the cars physics and behaviour. - If you check the credits then you'll see that drivers are involved in pretty much every racing game ever made. It doesn't always work
6. Petter Solberg said WRC2 Is a realistic game and claimed that real rally drivers could really find It usefull (!) Like above, it's not uncommon for a driver to say positive things about games. Seem to remember Kris Meeke raving about DiRT3 having realistic handling. And rally drivers will find it useful when the stages triple in width and are a tenth of the length that they are now.

Pretty encouraging report. As I have mentioned before, let's hope my Greek fellows didn't get too much enthousiastic!

Just a few comments. I'll reserve judgement until it's out, although what I do know is that I've probably spend 4 times as much of my time playing DiRT3 as I have WRC. That's not because I feel it's a better game per se, just that the cars, the graphics and the noise are better and somehow DiRT seems more fun.

[lcd]

If you check the credits then you'll see that drivers are involved in pretty much every racing game ever made. It doesn't always work

It doesn't, but It's far better to have a real driver as a consultant, than not having him at all.


Like above, it's not uncommon for a driver to say positive things about games. Seem to remember Kris Meeke raving about DiRT3 having realistic handling. And rally drivers will find it useful when the stages triple in width and are a tenth of the length that they are now.

Have to agree here. They are professional rally drivers afterall. And especially Solberg, has learnt his PR lessons well the last years! ;)

[bennizw]

More news:

WRC 2 Pre-Alpha Build Details (http://www.racesimcentral.com/news/2011/07/wrc-2-pre-alpha-build-reactions-ign/#more-6659)

[lcd]

Very nice Benniz! :)

Don't like that comment though :(
“A realistic game can’t be too frustrating, too hard to play; it can’t be too close to simulation,”

It MUST be hard to play! There are other games In the market for fun. :mad:

And from that screenshot, It's obvious that stage was In the first game.
I hope Milestone won't use the same stages enriched with some new graphics...

[bennizw]

Considering their ignorance throughout last years production, I wouldn´t be surprised if they did, LCD ;)

[SubaruNorway]

I think unrealistic games are harder to drive because the cars don't behave they way i assume them to do...

[lcd]

WRC2 on IGN:
WRC 2 FIA World Rally Championship - Xbox 360 Feature at IGN (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/118/1180790p1.html)

No shocking news...Emphasis on the graphics Issue, same handling with the 2010 title and weather system.

[Walach]

It´s good to see proper ride height of the car, not like in WRC2010. But anyway, the car without suspension looks very funny : http://www.virtualr.net/wp-content/gallery/2923/wrc-2-fia-world-rally-championship-20110706084941554.jpg

[lcd]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4280/wrc2fiaworldrallychampi.jpghttp://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4280/wrc2fiaworldrallychampi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/wrc2fiaworldrallychampi.jpg/)

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4280/wrc2fiaworldrallychampi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/196/wrc2fiaworldrallychampi.jpg/)

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4280/wrc2fiaworldrallychampi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/wrc2fiaworldrallychampi.jpg/)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4280/wrc2fiaworldrallychampi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/98/wrc2fiaworldrallychampi.jpg/)

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4280/wrc2fiaworldrallychampi.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/263/wrc2fiaworldrallychampi.jpg/)

[JRodrigues]

The 3D of the car looks terrible.. :\ + same physics = no thanks!

[lcd]

hmmm, that Swedish stage, is Identical with the ones In the previous title.
And as far I can tell, don't see any spectacular graphics Improvements. :p

[mAxL]

Gameplay...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvAt8GyRMx4

[lcd]

Great find mAxL.
But based on Alan's words 1) '...stages are the original from the first title, done with special graphics details and some new sections...' :(
2) based on the following screenshot, you can easily see, we are not getting unique stages but the re-used common parts like In WRC10 and the final 2 DiRTs :mad:
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2167/image7wk.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/image7wk.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[Allyc85]

That car looks like its barely touching the ground in that video!

[AndyRAC]

The stages are still too wide, and the German (or Rallye Deutschland) stage didn't look anything like a stage from that event. I fear another 'less than quality' title. Seems as though the original Evolution studios games are still better.

[lcd]

A possible first look of the menu/presentation of WRC2?

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5499/image3mo.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/image3mo.jpg/)

I agree Andy.
There are some crucial Issues (except the graphics) don't know anything about yet...

[Bruce D]

Found a special going at my local shop on Tuesday to get WRC 2010 and SBK 2011 for the price of 1 game. I must admit I don't see what the big negative is about WRC 2010, it's actually quite good. Yes, the physics aren't RBR but it's not the worst. When I consider that I thought WRC 3 had too much oversteer and WRC 4 had too much understeer, this one is just right, the stages look very interesting, are good length, the AI is hard to beat, graphically it looks great with nice details to the stages, and the co-driver isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I was really surprised with how good it was, so I'd recommend it for those that want to try it before getting WRC 2011. And if the way the SBK games have been improved is anything to go by then the WRC range will only get better.

[lcd]

News come from France!

WRC 2 se montre | Extrem Games (http://www.extremgames.fr/wp/?p=132)

Looks like there will be more stuff during Rally Finland 29-31 July!

[mAxL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWIeTDCo-hs&feature=player_profilepage

[MrJan]

Well that's a definite NO!! I'm not going to spend another £40 for a game that has the same stages as one that I was already tired of. Ridiculous decision that will, IMO, kill the franchise in its infancy.

[Allyc85]

The co-driver still fooking shouts and tbh, the game looks no better than before!

[Francis44]

Exact same stages as before. I am a huge rally fan, but Im sorry, I wont be buying this again, looks like the exact same game with some different cars. If they want to keep this franchise alive give the license to another developer.

[lcd]

Well, the engine sounds more aggressive than last year-that's for sure.
As expected, last years stages will be used again graphically refreshed,
but we will have the new superspecial stages and the new countries of the 2011 calendar:
Sardegna-Italy, Argentina, Greece and Australia.

I don't think It will be that bad. ;)

Thanks all for the updates/comments.

[MrJan]

Well, the engine sounds more aggressive than last year-that's for sure.
As expected, last years stages will be used again with some graphically refreshed,
but we will have the new superspecial stages and the new countries of the 2011 calendar:
Sardegna-Italy, Argentina, Greece and Australia.

I don't think It will be that bad. ;)

So what is supposed to be a brand new game (and will cost the same as a brand new game) has some new sounds, maybe some graphics touches in some places and 4 new superspecials. How the hell can you think that's acceptable? It's nothing short of disgusting to push this onto fans.

[lcd]

Don't forget the 4 new countries of the 2011 calendar: Italy,Argentina,Greece and Australia.
You're right up to a point, more of the half game will be the same like 2010 title.
But If the general look/feeling/gameplay/sound Is Improved I think It will be OK.

Those didn't buy the previous one, will probably have no problem with this. :p

[Rallylegend]

Don't forget the 4 new countries of the 2011 calendar: Italy,Argentina,Greece and Australia.
You're right up to a point, more of the half game will be the same like 2010 title.
But If the general look/feeling/gameplay/sound Is Improved I think It will be OK.

Those didn't buy the previous one, will probably have no problem with this. :p

I am not waiting for the game gameplay and grafics... it wont be that good. but what i am more looking for is the super special stages with iOpener,... i think that is gona be the power of WRC2

[MrJan]

Don't forget the 4 new countries of the 2011 calendar: Italy,Argentina,Greece and Australia.
You're right up to a point, more of the half game will be the same like 2010 title.
But If the general look/feeling/gameplay/sound Is Improved I think It will be OK.

Those didn't buy the previous one, will probably have no problem with this. :p

No it won't be OK! You don't make a new game and just copy all the stuff from the last one, it's an insult to those people that you expect to buy it. Okay so a few new countries but that simply isn't good enough. The stages were badly designed in the first game and yet they're just dusting them off and using them again...as if they weren't reused enough already. Creating a 'Y' shape stage is bad enough, it gets tedious quickly, but to then drop it into the sequel is unacceptable. You may as well get rid of the co-driver, anyone with both games will know every inch of the stage off by heart.

[lcd]

VVV Hands on Pt2:

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[lcd]

...and Part 3:

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[Allyc85]

Meh!

I want this game to be so good, but watching them vids dosnt give me much hope!

I hate the co-driver, the shadows off the car look extremely wrong and the stages are still extreamly wide with open hairpins that no way need the handbrake.

[lcd]

The first comments from different forums aren't so good.
Actually they are bad, pretty bad. Milestone had said they are building the game from scratch
but they are refreshing the 2010 game Instead. The addition of 4 new countries + superspecials aren't saving them.
I also wanted this game to be great so badly. I am afraid this one will be a total catastrophy for their reputation and the series.

Hope they prove me wrong...

[Bruce D]

I don't think everyone should lose heart over this. This just follows BlackBeans game strategies. I've seen it with the SBK series and I'm sure the WRC series will be the same, they slowly sneak up on it. Each year the game gets a little bit more refined and better. Maybe skip buying this one and buy the 2012 version, but they will get better. I've also found that they improve in things people don't talk about. I remember the first of the SBK games I got - '08' - and that was tricky and slow but they made it better on '09, slightly better still on X and finally 2011 feels like a really great game.

[MrJan]

I don't think everyone should lose heart over this. This just follows BlackBeans game strategies. I've seen it with the SBK series and I'm sure the WRC series will be the same, they slowly sneak up on it. Each year the game gets a little bit more refined and better. Maybe skip buying this one and buy the 2012 version, but they will get better. I've also found that they improve in things people don't talk about. I remember the first of the SBK games I got - '08' - and that was tricky and slow but they made it better on '09, slightly better still on X and finally 2011 feels like a really great game.

I don't think that they can afford to do that. I don't know the figures on the first WRC game but I suspect it sold less than SBK. With the sequel being no better they will lose more people (me for one) and make even less profit. I simply can't see them being able to get to a fourth or fifth edition without some financing windfall.

[lcd]

....Maybe skip buying this one and buy the 2012 version...

Maybe, but In 2012 their contract expires, and I think CM have shown Interest.

[lcd]

...I simply can't see them being able to get to a fourth or fifth edition without some financing windfall.

Black Bean have already taken a huge loan from the bank to get the lisence and develop the first game.
Don't think they can afford any more budget. Maybe that's why the new game Is just a refreshment of the 2010 title.

Take a look at sales statistics:
WRC: FIA World Rally Championship Sales (Xbox360) at gamrReview (http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/46120/wrc-fia-world-rally-championship/)

[Rallylegend]

Black Bean have already taken a huge loan from the bank to get the lisence and develop the first game.
Don't think they can afford any more budget. Maybe that's why the new game Is just a refreshment of the 2010 title.

Take a look at sales statistics:
WRC: FIA World Rally Championship Sales (Xbox360) at gamrReview (http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/46120/wrc-fia-world-rally-championship/)


80 000 sales world wide in 44 weeks (20 000 sales in 8 weeks)......
thats not because no one likes the World Rally Championship or rally, that was because the game was and is still rubish,

Look at D3 with much better quality rally ( grafixs handeling etc etc) gained 280 000 sales in 8 weeks....

[lcd]

A couple of new screens here:

http://www.everyeye.it/multi/ricerca (http://www.facebook.com/people/Wrcgame-GreekFans/100001306796375#%21/media/set/?set=a.2064142730856.2120901.1463395834&type=1)

[lcd]

A couple of new screenshots:

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6056/wrc2xbox360w5366.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/638/wrc2xbox360w5366.jpg/)
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9310/wrc2xbox360w647.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/wrc2xbox360w647.jpg/)
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/4337/wrc2xbox360w1756.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/837/wrc2xbox360w1756.jpg/)

[lcd]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8243/wrc2xbox360w2391.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/wrc2xbox360w2391.jpg/)
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6079/wrc2xbox360w2797.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/wrc2xbox360w2797.jpg/)
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/8770/wrc2xbox360w4819.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/wrc2xbox360w4819.jpg/)

[lcd]

⇒ WRC 2 - HANDS ON (XBOX 360) (http://www.everyeye.it/xbox360/articoli/wrc-2_hands-on_14470)

edit: One of the most Important parts In the article, says that In the footage given to the press so far,
there are many graphic details missing from the enviroments and they will be added the final month before release.
Also the damage model, Is not available for those beta versions seen so far.

[MrJan]

⇒ WRC 2 - HANDS ON (XBOX 360) (http://www.everyeye.it/xbox360/articoli/wrc-2_hands-on_14470)

edit: One of the most Important parts In the article, says that In the footage given to the press so far,
there are many graphic details missing from the enviroments and they will be added the final month before release.
Also the damage model, Is not available for those beta versions seen so far.

Do the graphics details consist of corners that weren't in the first game?


ps You may have guessed that I'm not a fan of the way that this game has been approached ;)

[lcd]

Do the graphics details consist of corners that weren't in the first game?

No, at least for the original stages of the 2010 game. But let me remind you there will be 4 new countries Included In the 2011 title.
Let's see how they will design those.


ps You may have guessed that I'm not a fan of the way that this game has been approached ;)

hehe, obviously not;but at least you're a fan of the real WRC, aren't you? :p

[MrJan]

hehe, obviously not;but at least you're a fan of the real WRC, aren't you? :p

I was, back when it was possibly to actually watch it. Sadly North One Productions have grown wise to the guys posting the video on Youtube and I don't like downloading torrents to watch it. So the WRC is pretty much dead to me, I couldn't tell you who won the last rally or even who's leading the championship (I'd guess at Loeb though). Now I'd much rather support local events that I can actually go and see...especially as they don't charge the stupid rates that Wales Rally GB like to charge.

[lcd]

...I couldn't tell you who won the last rally or even who's leading the championship (I'd guess at Loeb though)

hehe, I blame him for many people losing Interest to the sport. :p


...Now I'd much rather support local events that I can actually go and see...

Yeah, local events are more true. Maybe because money Isn't Involved.

[lcd]

WRC 2: FIA World Rally Championship Hands-On Preview - Xbox 360 Previews at GameSpot (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/wrc2-fia-world-rally-championship/news/6323598/wrc-2-fia-world-rally-championship-hands-on-preview?sid=6323598&mode=previews)

Confirmed Info based on the article:

-

[lcd]

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/wrc2-fia-world-rally-championship/news/6323598/wrc-2-fia-world-rally-championship-hands-on-preview?sid=632359

Confirmed Info based on this article:

-The more damage you take, the worse your car handles.
-The final game will feature six-stage championships, special timed challenge stages (like WRC Academy challenges In the 2010 title? )
-There will also be a revamped Career mode, which encourages more team management and will have new recruitment features ( service park area maybe?)

[bennizw]

I really hope they aren´t that stupid that they think that they have the "perfect game" by just upping the graphics a little. When all the stages are the same, and the handling doesn´t differ, I´d say they´ve been lazy!

[lcd]

What's all this secrecy from Milestone, 2 months before release???

[bennizw]

I just Milestone being Milestone, nothing new.

[lcd]

New preview from spazio games!
WRC FIA World Rally Championship 2 - pc, ps3, x360 - Anteprima, SpazioGames.it (http://www.spaziogames.it/recensioni_videogiochi/console_console_multi_piattaforma/11992/wrc-fia-world-rally-championship-2.aspx)


A couple of things got my attention:

…The driving model is significantly improved, thanks to a strong feeling of "weight" of the vehicle,
far too "light" in the previous iteration. Add to that a better response to different soil types and shock
due to a complete overhaul of the physics simulation engine…

(Regarding the service park addition)… After you earn enough money you can take on a reputation
(about half an hour of play will be enough) and put to work immediately on the search.
This will be geared towards a particular system of the vehicle, from brakes to transmission,
and will require several weeks to complete (corresponding to as many events marked on the calendar):
Once completed, the selected piece will show dramatic improvements…

…Although it is still early for a verdict, given the immaturity of the code supplied to us,
WRC 2 seems to be on track to present itself as a natural evolution of the product enjoyed a year ago
now broken the ice, developers can now propose a model rewarding as well as realistic driving…

[lcd]

Looks nice, though I'd prefer a special stage more than a superspecial on the cover.

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/6229/wrc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/wrc2.jpg/)

source: WRC: FIA World Rally Championship 2 - PC Windows - Prezzo - Vendita | Multiplayer.com (http://multiplayer.com/videogiochi/pc-windows/wrc-fia-world-rally-championship-2.html)

[NISMO_GTR]

Hello Everyone

First post :)

Polygamia.pl WRC 2: menu pocz (http://youtu.be/zuzHedUcTzQ)

Polygamia.pl WRC 2 - trasa we Francji - YouTube (http://youtu.be/K93YZ20Cjrs)

looks like a major improvement over the first game. Car sounds are a lot better to.

[pino]

Hello Everyone

First post :)

Polygamia.pl WRC 2: menu pocz (http://youtu.be/zuzHedUcTzQ)

Polygamia.pl WRC 2 - trasa we Francji - YouTube (http://youtu.be/K93YZ20Cjrs)

looks like a major improvement over the first game. Car sounds are a lot better to.

Hello and welcome to the forums :wave: thanks for posting this ;)

[bennizw]

To me it looks just the same as WRC 2010. The handling actually looks worse.

[Allyc85]

I dont think the level of the driving helps if im honest! Theres another video on youtube of an Impreza WRC being driven on gravel and it looks like hes had too many beers!

[lcd]

Welcome Nismo! Your first post Is great!!! :up:
Been waiting for some fresh news about the game. http://www.motorsportforums.com/members/nismo_gtr-423097/

[lcd]

WRC 2 Preview - Xbox 360 - Page 1 | Eurogamer.net (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-15-wrc-2-preview)

[lcd]

Official trailer! Doesn't look a bit cult?

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[lcd]

WRC2 Details Released*|*PS3Blog.co.za (http://www.ps3blog.co.za/2011/08/02/wrc2-details-released/)

Wonder what does that mean (In bold); could It mean the new game offers many co-drivers
or maybe pacenotes editor? Hope It's not just switching from male to female driver. :p

'...In The Road To WRC, build your career, select your events based on time and budget
and manage your own team (engineers, co-pilot, mechanics̷) .

[lcd]

The latest news from WRC2, are that Milestone are working hard to polish the game, until the last minute.
So I guess that graphically, It won't look like In the videos seen so far. ;)

[I am evil Homer]

Can you polish a turd? graphically it already looks okay but the physics seems off and the pace notes / speech parts are unbelievably bad. I'd sacrifice graphics for realism in the stages and better pace notes every single time.

[306 Cosworth]

The pace notes are horrific, there's no flow to them. It's like having a robot read them to you, and it looks like they haven't changed the hairpins either.

[lcd]

Strange they took no action over that Issue (from what seen so far) :(
Pacenotes/co-driver raised some quite bad criticism In the previous title, so I expected to deliver some new co-driver model...
Anyway, could that comment from PS3 Blog.co.za preview : '...In The Road To WRC, build your career, select your events based
on time and budget and manage your own team (engineers, co-pilot, mechanics̷) hide some kind of a surprise?!?

[I am evil Homer]

If the surprsie is "turn off that damn voice" then maybe but he physics looks so poor I can't be bothered to find out

[NISMO_GTR]

WRC 2 Preview - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckZnSztzTvE)

A new video by the team vvv guys. Very early build.

[lcd]

It's more than a month old Nismo.
It's about time for some new footage though.

[NISMO_GTR]

It's more than a month old Nismo.
It's about time for some new footage though.

There was a new video but Alan has removed it for some reason. (maybe Milestone/Ubi told him to remove it due to being a very early build of the game)

In the video he showed an early PS3 build (he got a trophy during it). He showed us Rally GB, Rally Austrila, Greece, Mexico and Germany. All tracks except Germany were unfinished. They had unfinished lighting, missing textures, objects etc.

I should also mention that the new stages looked to have actual hairpins!

Now on to the handling.....which was also unfinished. Alan was using a steering wheel which he couldnt adjust it properly due to it being a early build.

[lcd]

Sorry for jumbing so quickly Into a conclusion :p
Your report seems quite encouraging (especially regarding 'actual' hairpins!)
I am very jelous of you, seen a Greek stage even at this early version! :D

On the other hand, I agree Milestone not giving to the press unfinished stuff
giving that way a wrong Impression about the new game.

Thanks for sharing those Info!

[mAxL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgicRVkrLCo

[lcd]

The above video definetely Isn't what NISMO Is talking about :(

[bennizw]

I fear they actually have copied last years game, and only updated the graphics and this years cars. Nothing else.

[lcd]

Let's see what work Is done for Argentina,Italy, Greece and Australia. Those will be brand new. ;)
I agree the rest of the game will be Identical with last year's with some graphics refreshments.

[NISMO_GTR]

The above video definetely Isn't what NISMO Is talking about :(

Yeah that is not the video I've seen lol.

I am now convinced the old video was taken down because of Milestone or Ubisoft. Makes sense I guess as he was showing unfinished stages and does not represent the final game.

Anyway I wonder what Subaru is in the WRC safari class. Hoping its the 97 Impreza!

[Plan9]

I dont think the level of the driving helps if im honest! Theres another video on youtube of an Impreza WRC being driven on gravel and it looks like hes had too many beers!
Yeah I know! I don't get the fascination Black Bean has with Ostberg's Impreza, its not the coolest car in the WRC's histroy by any stretch.

Does anyone know if the 2008 Impreza (the final Subaru) be in this game, it appears that the C4 will be alongside the DS3....

[NISMO_GTR]

I don't think so. Last year game only had the 2007 Impreza WRC in the game which Mads Ostberg drove in the 2010 season. I highly doubt Milestone will add it as it seems to me they will only add the WRC class cars from the previous game.

But still you never know. In the video that showed the car selection menu there was a class called WRC Safari which had a Subaru logo....

[lcd]

...In the video that showed the car selection menu there was a class called WRC Safari which had a Subaru logo....

hmmm, I can't think of anything else than the Subaru Impreza 1995! :p

edit: Hope they give us the Mitsubishi Lancer 2005 (Gigi Galli) too! :)

[NISMO_GTR]

Yes you could be right!

The cars must be around the same period for them to be competative in that class but the Lancia and Peugeot make it harder to figure out what period the cars are from. For example the Peugeot, Lancia and the Ford cant be Group B cars as it doesnt make sence for them to be running with Group A cars.

I am guessing the cars will be from the 90s to early 2000.

Here is a list of the possible cars

Ford

Ford Escort WRC
Ford Focus WRC

Lancia

Delta Intergrale

Mitsubishi

Lancer Evo 4
Lancer Evo 5
Lancer Evo 6

Peugeot

206

Subaru

Legacy RS
Impreza 555
Impreza WRC (anything from 97 to 99)

Toyota

Celica
Corolla WRC

If Lancia wasn't in the list it would be almost a guarantee we would get the 99 - mid 2000 Cars.
(99 Impreza, Focus, Corolla, Evo 6 etc)

If Peugeot wasn't in the list it would be almost a guarantee we would get mid 90s cars.
(555 Impreza, Evo 4, Escort RS, Celica)

LOL I am not complaining or anything (I would be happy either way!) just curious to see what cars Milestone will give us.

Looking forward to seeing the official car list it Milestone decide to release it.

[mAxL]

http://www.imgftw.net/img//309026069.jpg

http://www.imgftw.net/img//596026005.jpg

http://www.imgftw.net/img//717421645.jpg

http://www.imgftw.net/img//481114930.jpg

[lcd]

Cheers mAxL! At last, some fresh new stuff! :p

edit: whole article-screenshots here: http://multiplayer.it/immagini/wrc-fia-world-rally-championship-2011-per-x360/357305/

Looking good; hope It's not the final version...There Is enough space for some more graphical Improvement.

[Walach]

The lights, the rims and the countryside...still the same "quality"

[Plan9]

I don't think so. Last year game only had the 2007 Impreza WRC in the game which Mads Ostberg drove in the 2010 season. I highly doubt Milestone will add it as it seems to me they will only add the WRC class cars from the previous game.

But still you never know. In the video that showed the car selection menu there was a class called WRC Safari which had a Subaru logo....

I am disappointed to hear that. I was wondering why you never see the year 2000 Subaru WRC car? I know it was not the best 1 but it looked and sounded awesome. In most games you get either the 1995 Subaru or the 1999 one. Nothing else.
I think that WRC2 will have many cars from all eras of the sport as Dirt 3 has really raised the goalposts.

[mAxL]

New site: Wrc 2 The Game | The official WRC 2011 Videogame by Black Bean Games (http://www.wrcthegame.com)

[lcd]

Cheers mAxL! :up:

edit: new website Is full of Info and screens! And what a great cars list! :)

[NISMO_GTR]

Cheers mAxL! :up:

edit: new website Is full of Info and screens! And what a great cars list! :)

Yes the car list looks fantastic! cant wait to get my hands on the 405 and the Impreza!

[lcd]

I am glad they finally used a special stage on the cover and not the previous one with the superspecial :)

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8158/wrc22dpcen.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/wrc22dpcen.jpg/)

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/6229/wrc2.jpg

[lcd]

WRC2 release date: October 14th, 2011!

[Allyc85]

Not long then to get it sorted!

On the subject of WRC games can anyone recommend a playstation emulator for the PC so I can play the old PS2 WRC games?

[NISMO_GTR]

epsx2 is the only working one I believe.

[lcd]

WRC 2: Future Urban Stages = DLC (http://www.racesimcentral.com/news/2011/09/wrc-2-future-urban-stages-dlc/#more-7531)

[lcd]

And here's a new gameplay video. Seen quite many graphics and lighting Imporvements.
And the sound of the car Is closer to a real WRC car sound: quite aggressive and raw.
Very good so far.

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[Walach]

WRC 2: Future Urban Stages = DLC (http://www.racesimcentral.com/news/2011/09/wrc-2-future-urban-stages-dlc/#more-7531)

Again, stupid DLC. I don´t think the games are cheap at release, so why can´t we get a complete, full game from the shop? it was the same at WRC 2010, DiRT 3...hate it.

PS: the car sounds good in that video, but the track is still wide like motorway...

[lcd]

No more fraps for WRC2! Screenshots mode confirmed:

'PHOTO MODE: Starting also this year players can capture the most exciting moments of races,
through the new photo mode. Just put the game on pause, frame the car and shoot.
Then if you really want to show off apply some of the many special visual effects.'

[Plan9]

Does anyone have access to the new screenshots that have been made available, I can't find them anywhere.

[Plan9]

Yes the car list looks fantastic! cant wait to get my hands on the 405 and the Impreza!

Which Impreza is it?

[lcd]

Does anyone have access to the new screenshots that have been made available, I can't find them anywhere.

Have you tried at the game's new website?
Wrc 2 The Game | The official World Rally Championship 2011 Videogame | Black Bean Games (http://www.wrcthegame.com/)

You can view the complete cars list too ;)

[lcd]

Just for your Information, unfortunately, no rain for WRC2.

Let's hope next year we'll get everything In WRC3 :)

[mAxL]

New TV spot on wrcthegame.com site

[mAxL]

Can you provide our readers with a gameplay tip? Something that will improve their experience?

To satisfy the requests of the players, this year we have created some tracks with very narrow sections and, most important thing, very narrow hairpins. I think that this year handbrake fills a more important role and managing this driving technique on narrow hairpins can boost the speed on the Special Stages a lot. And by the way, sliding and raising a lot of dust is always funny.

Full interview... (http://blog.logitech.com/2011/09/21/wrc2-interview-with-sebastien-pellicano/)

[lcd]

Great find! Thanks for sharing :)

[lcd]

I like those parts from the Interview:

'...WRC 2 gameplay has been totally revamped to allow hardcore simulation players to enjoy a real driving experience...'

'... Each car sounds (engine, turbo, transmission) have been recorded from the associated auto model
in order to give the player the feeling of being driving the real car he is actually playing...'

'...Even if gaming with a pad provides a balanced and smooth gameplay suitable for both newbies and pros,
driving with a wheel takes everything to an upper level. Indeed, only the steering wheel lets the player feel in his hand
all the physics force that are applied to the whole chassis, suspensions and steer...'

[lcd]

release date, as first announced here: http://www.motorsportforums.com/simulations/140950-wrc-2-~a-9.html#post963488 (http://www.motorsportforums.com/simulations/140950-wrc-2-a-9.html#post963488), confirmed!

WRC 2 Release Date, Car List Finalized (http://www.racesimcentral.com/news/2011/09/wrc-2-release-date-car-list-finalized/)

[lcd]

A couple of new screenshots found here:
Welcome to Black Bean Games (http://www.blackbeangames.com/)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5817/miniwrc5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/miniwrc5.jpg/)

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1333/miniwrc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/263/miniwrc1.jpg/)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8228/miniwrc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/101/miniwrc2.jpg/)


http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5217/miniwrc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/miniwrc3.jpg/)

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1926/miniwrc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/64/miniwrc4.jpg/)

[lcd]

Another short one, showing the lightings Improvements:

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[bennizw]

Well look at that. Exactly the same stages, what a surprise!

[lcd]

Can't see any point going over this again and again... :confused:
It's already known, WRC2 will have the same countries/stages from previous title
(with some graphics and lightning Improvements) plus 4 new countries (Argentina, Italy, Greece, Australia )
and all the superspecial stages of the 2011 calendar.

[lcd]

As we can see In this new screenshot from France, the enviroment Is quite enriched!

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4334/francel.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/851/francel.jpg/)

[bennizw]

I might be whining yes, but I think it´s poor of a game company calling their product "fantastic" both on their webpage and in the game itself, to just copy last years game with a small graphic and audio upgrade. To me it seems lazy and without passion. Don´t you?

[NISMO_GTR]

exclusive safari dlc from game.fr

does anyone know if they ship to uk?

GAME.fr - Produit - WRC 2 (http://www.game.fr/Product/Default.aspx?SKU=103193)

[lcd]

That Is some really GREAT news! Good find NISMO ;)

First WRC 2 DLC Revealed under Exclusive Online Offer (http://www.racesimcentral.com/news/2011/10/first-wrc-2-dlc-revealed-as-exclusive-to-online-retailer/)

[mAxL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axAoMaklYeI

[lcd]

Apart that the dust particles are so thick, you can see through (!)
Australia looks nice and so the new menus/presentation....
So far so good, I think. Let's have some raw audio clip soon too ;)

I snapped eternal ring and threw it on a chip shop roof

sam chopping is a bender

bender chopping likes cara

[tfp]

When is this game released? I enjoyed the last game(much more than dirt 3) I wonder if this game is worth a purchase aswel?

[lcd]

When is this game released?

October the 14th


...I wonder if this game is worth a purchase aswel?

I believe yes ;)

[tfp]

It maybe a trip down to the shop on the 14th then :)
While we were on with the subject of the first game (apologies if this has already been discussed on a different thread) did anyone else notice there were several obvious mistakes with the first game?
I couldnt ever complete it. One of the challenges set (people who own this game will knw this!) was to beat another driver, not just on the overal stage time, but you have to go faster on every split.
In rally catalunya, you had to do this (against raikkonen, iirc) but I never could beat him on the first split - no matter how many times I tried. I thought I was doing something wrong, so I downloaded from xbox live the ghost of the player who had set the fastest time ever recorded on that stage....And even he failed to beat Raikkonen on the first split. That has got to be a mistake in the programming, surely?

[NISMO_GTR]

New video!

WRC 2: FIA World Rally Championship Gameplay (PC HD) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIzlAiRv7vs)

Chaîne de malakai78 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/malakai78#p/u/0/BDXcl82EIPs)

there is also another video on that guys channel

[Allyc85]

That co-driver is shocking, they couldnt make him sound more artificial if they tried!

[lcd]

Well, as expected, seems we'll get some really narrow roads and tight hairpins, at least for the new stages/countries :)

[bennizw]

As expected then. No change to the co-driver, and the most horrible car sounds I have ever heard. What have they been doing the last year? Loving themselves?

[bennizw]

By the way, weren´t the super specials supposed to be identical to the real one´s? I´ve never the the Karlstad SSS as it is in WRC2.

[lcd]

Regarding the sounds, they have been Improved; closer to real rally sounds now:
especially the launch effects, the blow-off valves, turbo and the engine sounds of some cars, aren't so bad.
Okay If you compare them with Codemasters, they need much more work, but hey, CM are In the business for ages :D

[Francis44]

First review is in.....

WRC2 - FIA World Rally Championship Review - Xbox 360 - Page 2 | Eurogamer.net (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-13-wrc2-fia-world-rally-championship-review?page=2)

And it got a 6, the reviewer even says it's pointless, no improvement from last year.

Dissapointing :( .

[pino]

I really do hope the game is much better than rated as I've already preordered it :s

[Rallylegend]

I disagree with that ,.... i played WRC2 and the stages are really improved! much better hairpins bumps and everything... it aint perfect yet but they did improved!

Even i enjoy the mode " way to the WRC" its not sim its not like RBR or CMR but atleast its more fun carreer then in D3

[Allyc85]

Its not really a surprise that its pap considering how secretive they have been about it!

I think I will save my money for Forza 4!

[lcd]

It's too early for a review, but some screenshots -via In-game photo editor- will get you In the atmosphere ;)
And another thing: DON'T believe a word, until you play the game. The official one
not the pirate copy-there's a huge difference In graphics quality and framerate.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/603/wrc22011101217401652.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/97/wrc22011101217401652.jpg/)
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6083/wrc22011101204013067.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/wrc22011101204013067.jpg/)
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/1476/wrc22011101204013460.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/wrc22011101204013460.jpg/)
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/313/wrc22011101204014484.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/844/wrc22011101204014484.jpg/)

[NISMO_GTR]

WOW PC version looks amazing! and yeah play the original game before deciding if its good or not.

Here is some screens taken from my PS3 version of the game. Milestone did a much better job this time round.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc235/Nismo_Skyline_GTR/WRC2Photo_3.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc235/Nismo_Skyline_GTR/WRC2Photo_2.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc235/Nismo_Skyline_GTR/WRC2Photo.jpg

[lcd]

The Acropolis rally stages, are probably the best In the game :D (...really!!!)

[lcd]

Here's my review:

STAGES: The new added stages are what most of us call ‘proper rally stages’.
Narrow roads, full of bumps, cambers, crests, elevation changes and tight hairpins.
Unlike the stages of 2010, In the new ones you need to have a good rhythm from start to finish,
upshifting-downshifting-breaking-hand breaking all the time. Milestone are In the right direction regarding rally stages design.
About the stages of 2010, they now look much better thanks to lighting Improvements.
Also some sections are made more narrow since the devs have placed some vegetation on both sides of the road to give that narrow feeling.

PHYSICS: Great Improvements made on cars physics. Cars now behave more realistically on every surface
and thanks to the new car tuning options given, you can make the handling more accurate, If you want to.
Damage system Is Improved too, visually + mechanical.

AUDIO: The sounds are much closer to the real thing. Raw and aggressive bangs, pops, blow off valves, turbo whistle, launch effects e.t.c.
Everything sounds as It should.

PRESENTATION: Clean, easy to navigate, with a more professional touch and super fast loading times.
Generally, there’s a great WRC atmosphere through out all the menus, offline or online.

NEW FEATURES: We welcome the amazing In-game photo editor, the super rally option and the new very Interesting career
with all those additions of mechanics, staff managers e.t.c. making the way to WRC more professional.
Also we are happy to see there Is an option changing the stages order In custom championship!

BIGGEST LET DOWNS:
-Sadly the co-driver remained as It was, spoiling the whole atmosphere.
-The reduce of Intensity of dust particles. How did Milestone let this happen?
The dust particles are so thin you can actually see through them…
Especially In some stages (Argentina, Portugal, Mexico e.t.c.) they look totally fake.
-The childish liveries of the GroupB and Safari class. Probably due to license Issues
but I think they could make some more rally-ish liveries, even If the were Imaginary.

Overall, WRC2 was exactly what promised: An Improved version of the 2010 title
with some strong evidence Milestone will get everything right In WRC3.

[lcd]

7lJIBSTosBY

[pino]

Playing the game now and guess what ?...I like it ! :eek: :p :

[MrMetro]

Here's my review:

STAGES: The new added stages are what most of us call ‘proper rally stages’.
Narrow roads, full of bumps, cambers, crests, elevation changes and tight hairpins.
Unlike the stages of 2010, In the new ones you need to have a good rhythm from start to finish,
upshifting-downshifting-breaking-hand breaking all the time. Milestone are In the right direction regarding rally stages design.
About the stages of 2010, they now look much better thanks to lighting Improvements.
Also some sections are made more narrow since the devs have placed some vegetation on both sides of the road to give that narrow feeling.

PHYSICS: Great Improvements made on cars physics. Cars now behave more realistically on every surface
and thanks to the new car tuning options given, you can make the handling more accurate, If you want to.
Damage system Is Improved too, visually + mechanical.

AUDIO: The sounds are much closer to the real thing. Raw and aggressive bangs, pops, blow off valves, turbo whistle, launch effects e.t.c.
Everything sounds as It should.

PRESENTATION: Clean, easy to navigate, with a more professional touch and super fast loading times.
Generally, there’s a great WRC atmosphere through out all the menus, offline or online.

NEW FEATURES: We welcome the amazing In-game photo editor, the super rally option and the new very Interesting career
with all those additions of mechanics, staff managers e.t.c. making the way to WRC more professional.
Also we are happy to see there Is an option changing the stages order In custom championship!

BIGGEST LET DOWNS:
-Sadly the co-driver remained as It was, spoiling the whole atmosphere.
-The reduce of Intensity of dust particles. How did Milestone let this happen?
The dust particles are so thin you can actually see through them…
Especially In some stages (Argentina, Portugal, Mexico e.t.c.) they look totally fake.
-The childish liveries of the GroupB and Safari class. Probably due to license Issues
but I think they could make some more rally-ish liveries, even If the were Imaginary.

Overall, WRC2 was exactly what promised: An Improved version of the 2010 title
with some strong evidence Milestone will get everything right In WRC3.

Good review lcd, I'm considering getting WRC 2 :)

[lcd]

Patch 1.1 out, solves a couple of tiny things!
WRC 2 Patch 1.1 - Free video game downloads, news, reviews, videos, patches, demos, screenshots and more at AtomicGamer (http://www.atomicgamer.com/files/94079/wrc-2-patch-1-1)

[lcd]

Dennis Kuipers on the edge :p

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/1797/wrc22011101504585518.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/wrc22011101504585518.jpg/)

[kolin]

Ott Tanak WRC2 game does not exist. Weird
SWRC of the fastest riders in the game do not exist. This is a great fault of the manufacturers

[bennizw]

Can anyone give an explanation of how the physics are improved? This counts alot towards me getting the game or not.

[Mitch555]

Ott Tanak WRC2 game does not exist. Weird
SWRC of the fastest riders in the game do not exist. This is a great fault of the manufacturers

It is strange... might have been some licensing issue I believe.

I myself appear in this game in the SWRC category, even then I am not entitled to a free copy. So the consensus is that it's marginally better than WRC, but still a long way to go? Hopefully I'm not the only 'improvement' for the new game, as last time round it was horrible and their facebook page has been clogged with unhappy users.

Do we have any comparison between PS3 and PC yet? I have the capability to use either, though I'm thinking PC is the go at the moment. Any opinions on that?

[lcd]

Can anyone give an explanation of how the physics are improved? This counts alot towards me getting the game or not.

Look Bennizw, some really annoying elements of 2010 handling have been Improved or corrected.
The excessive understeer/oversteer Is gone away. No more driving on ice feeling. Now can clearly feel the grip of the wheels on any type of surface.
In addition, you can now feel the weight of the car when turning and the new suspension system gives you a more accurate feeling on any surface.
A perfect example of the new physics, Is that If you enter a turn with more speed that you should, you may roll your car If the turn gets tighter or you don't steer carefully; that could never happen In 2010 game no matter how much you tried :D
Also the new car tunnung settings, have a bigger affect on car's handling, compared to last year. You can actually tell a difference, when you mess with max steering lock or downforce. Finally, the mechanical damage system Is more Improved, and that makes the game more challenging.

Well, that's In short, my personal opinion regarding the changes In physics.
Better try to play the game first and then buy It.

[lcd]

...Do we have any comparison between PS3 and PC yet?
I have the capability to use either, though I'm thinking PC is the go at the moment. Any opinions on that?

No reports yet regarding gameplay comparison betwenn platforms.
But the game Is definitely looking better (graphically) on the pc, If you got a powerful rig.

Is that you btw? :p Great to have a featured driver In the game, around here :)
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/982/wrc22011101612185353.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/wrc22011101612185353.jpg/)

[Walach]

So, is there Tanak and Prokop in official game, or not?

[bennizw]

Well, I small improvement yes. The physics are somewhat better, and it is actually possible to handle the cars now. However, the car sound is still horrible, as is the co-driver. The graphics are still outdated, and the stage design boring and lacking recognition, variation and atmosphere (not to mention that the stages are equal to last years game). I can´t help sitting back with a "cheap" and little passionate feeling with the game. It just doesn´t make me want to sit down and play it again.

[PuddleJumper]

Just watched one of the WRC2 gameplay videos on YouTube. The co-driver is absolutely rubbish! When did you ever hear a real co-driver using the word "bottleneck" or telling the driver to "slow down". The pacenotes are terrible and certainly don't seem to relate much to the corners ahead. But then, the corners themselves don't much resemble those you find in the real WRC, so I suppose the developers were at least consistent. I'm not impressed at all by what I've seen so far and it seems the official WRC games have got worse since I stopped buying them because I thought they were poor. As much as I object to the way Codemasters took the Colin McRae Rally franchise, they do at least know what they're doing when it comes to making a decent arcade racing game.

[Plan9]

What drivers are included? Is Ken Block & Kris Meeke there for instance as they both appear in another game. Which WRC car has the best handling? What is the advised set-up to get the best out of each surface?

[userwave]

it's a fun game, anyone interested in having a motorsportforums.com online battle ? :)

[tfp]

Just watched one of the WRC2 gameplay videos on YouTube. The co-driver is absolutely rubbish! When did you ever hear a real co-driver using the word "bottleneck" or telling the driver to "slow down". The pacenotes are terrible and certainly don't seem to relate much to the corners ahead. But then, the corners themselves don't much resemble those you find in the real WRC, so I suppose the developers were at least consistent. I'm not impressed at all by what I've seen so far and it seems the official WRC games have got worse since I stopped buying them because I thought they were poor. As much as I object to the way Codemasters took the Colin McRae Rally franchise, they do at least know what they're doing when it comes to making a decent arcade racing game.

I agree, the co-driver in the 2010 game was rubbish, even though I loved the game and spent many hours addicted :) I bought Dirt 3 aswel, and I hated it. You couldnt get a good drift, and if you started to slide, there was no saving it. One of the best things about wrc2010 was going waaay too fast into a corner and almost going off -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWHsPYqQswQ
A bit like this! This is something that couldnt be done in Dirt 3, as soon as you started to slide, thats it, youre off the stage, and there was no saving it.
When I played Dirt 3 however, the few times that I did, I found the option to alter the co drivers notes (easy-complex, or something like that) So when you approach a slight right hander on a wide road, instead of getting -
"6 Right, keep left, 100"
You get -
"And 6 right plus, open, keep left on exit, 100"
The detail of the pace notes was a big let down for me in wrc2010, and I saw the video(possibly the same one as you) on youtube of the PC footage and Im a bit dissapointed to see they havent improved the pace notes, but I wonder if theres an option (like dirt 3) to make the notes more accurate??

[NISMO_GTR]

Sadly there is no option in the menu to change the co driver to call more accurate instructions. Co-driver is the only major let down in this game.

Has anyone bought the France copy of WRC? I really want to see what the safari stages are like.

[tfp]

Sadly there is no option in the menu to change the co driver to call more accurate instructions. Co-driver is the only major let down in this game.

Has anyone bought the France copy of WRC? I really want to see what the safari stages are like.

Thanks for the heads up mate, I probably wont be running out to buy this game like I did with the last one then. At a later date, I wont rule it out though:-)

[bennizw]

I have to say, I am actually starting to enjoy the game a little. The handling isn´t too bad when you get used to it, and rally´s like Argentina, Greece, Italy and Australia are good fun. There´s a large difference between the rallies that were in the game last year, and those that are new this year. The latter are much more challenging, narrow and fun to drive. Would´ve liked to have better car sounds, and of course a co-driver that sounds like a human being. Has anyone experienced that the difficulty in "Road to WRC" suddenly get´s unaturally hard after completing the wild card entry to rally Greece in the WRC Academy season. Up to this event I had been running on the second highest AI-difficulty, but suddenly after that event I was 15 seconds behind on all stages (while I was winning with a few seconds margins in the previous events). Weird!

[lcd]

I have to say, I am actually starting to enjoy the game a little. The handling isn´t too bad when you get used to it, and rally´s like Argentina, Greece, Italy and Australia are good fun. There´s a large difference between the rallies that were in the game last year, and those that are new this year.

Glad you like them. I agree those new added rallies, are made with a totally different philosophy from last year's stages.
All the new stages require some serious consentration and technical driving from start to finish.
Looks like the studio has finally captured the rally feeling.
If WRC3 has new stages for all countries like those, It will be by far the most challenging of the series.
I am sure the safari stages DLC (out on November 14th) will be at the same designing level.

[lcd]

...Has anyone experienced that the difficulty in "Road to WRC" suddenly get´s unaturally hard after completing the wild card entry to rally Greece in the WRC Academy season. Up to this event I had been running on the second highest AI-difficulty, but suddenly after that event I was 15 seconds behind on all stages (while I was winning with a few seconds margins in the previous events). Weird!

Just unlocked the wild card entry to rally Greece. :p
I'm on the 2nd higest AI-difficulty level too, so I'll see what happens ;)

[lcd]

The 'Road To The WRC' Is very nicely done this time.
The variety of cars/classes and events, combined with the mechanical updates , the hire of staff and sponsors deals give a realistic feeling,
starting from low and work hard to get to the world of the pros. Also the paints and patterns are more professional compared to the 1st game.
The addition of rally plates gives the career cars a very decent look.
I wish that livery editor was available In single race mode too, so to make the Group B and safari cars more good looking...

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5783/wrc22011102519364258.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/683/wrc22011102519364258.jpg/)

Another great thing noticed: By pressing F2 (In pc version) the rallies In career mode get longer, as more stages are added, for some longer pleasure!!!

Personally, It's the best career mode ever played In a rally game.

[lcd]

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9308/wrc22011102610132656.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/wrc22011102610132656.jpg/)

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6831/wrc22011102610134035.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/wrc22011102610134035.jpg/)

[bennizw]

The same can be done in the PS3 version. It`s good to have the possibility in rallies that are fun. This livery editor, is it the same as purchasing different patterns and colours, or is this something specific for the PC-version?

[lcd]

This livery editor, is it the same as purchasing different patterns and colours...

Yes, that's the one. Just hope It was possible using It outside the carrer mode. :p

[Mitch555]

No reports yet regarding gameplay comparison betwenn platforms.
But the game Is definitely looking better (graphically) on the pc, If you got a powerful rig.

Is that you btw? :p Great to have a featured driver In the game, around here :)
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/982/wrc22011101612185353.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/wrc22011101612185353.jpg/)

Yep that's me! Though I am not a real driver so to speak, I won a competition with the WRC Academy to be featured in the game. I'll go PC as I certainly have a powerful rig to play it on ;) Thanks man :)