Acropolis Rally 2011

[Hartusvuori]

Tänak +11 minutes on first split?

Had stopped in SS, but on the move again. No exact info on WRR.

EDIT: Tänak rolled.

[KKS]

Shame for Tanak. Now Juho need just finish.

[Hartusvuori]

Solberg's losing it - 15s down on Loeb on 3rd split. Foreseeable yet unfortunate. It would be nice to have a new winner.

[jonkka]

Solberg pulling it back? Or Loeb losing a tad?

[jonkka]

And more interesting splits, Ogi losing also to Mikko, now slower...

[Hartusvuori]

Missed junction for Petter. Lost 8-10 secs.

[GigiGalliNo1]

AHHH!!!

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala +4'25 on split 1 SS8 !!! :eek: :confused:

[Langdale Forest]

Prehaps Solberg can get back some time from Hirvonen, Ogier and Loeb on the 3 re-runs this afternoon.

[Tom206wrc]

Ogier flying :bounce:


Edit: but no final time yet :confused:

[jonkka]

Ogier should be at the end already but no time for him...

[tfp]

Anyone know whats happenned to jml??

[Mirek]

Turbo

[tfp]

Turbo

Dammit:-(

[Mirek]

Any info about Eyvind Brynildsen? Seems like he is in troubles again after yesterday with FWD only...

[Subarulover]

is there a tv broadcast at acropolis rallye on tv or just the power stage this year?

[Subarulover]

i mean live broadcast

[Langdale Forest]

Solberg might do better on the re-runs this afternoon if he still has the lead after SS9.

[Hartusvuori]

Solberg's lead only five seconds now. Let's see will the elder statesman shake up a little in the afternoon.

[Langdale Forest]

Road positions won't really matter on the next 3 stages, but Solberg won't want to finish the day leading anyway.

[RS]

Athanassoulas is very impressive, just as he was last year in the Fabia.

Also, the big progress of the Fiesta S2000 can be seen by the times of Sousa who I can't remember ever being fast before. It seems M-Sport made quite a big jump with that car at least. Skoda have some work to do, but I wonder whether they have taken their eye of the ball with the "old" car whilst developing the 1.6T.

[Mirek]

I think that Škoda homologated only new pistons and valves for engine lately. It seems that there was something on rumors from last year saying that while Evo 2 is reasonably better than Evo 1 on asphalt, it is actually slower than Evo 1 on gravel...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Been away, What's going on?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Solberg might do better on the re-runs this afternoon if he still has the lead after SS9.

I think this will be the case. He shall make up some time with the re-runs as he'll drive flat out... Loeb and Ogier making up time as they're not running first..

Will the stage be ripped up and muddy? (Not sure if it's raining/wet)

Not many replies on this thread during the rally. Is everyone sleeping in Europe or something? I've been away for a few hours... haha

[rage82]

In my opinion a reasonable part of the ordinary forum members are on the stages and when the rally day is over I'm sure we gonna have more comments ( photos and videos ). Hope for more videos :D

[RS]

I think that Škoda homologated only new pistons and valves for engine lately. It seems that there was something on rumors from last year saying that while Evo 2 is reasonably better than Evo 1 on asphalt, it is actually slower than Evo 1 on gravel...

Why would this be? Suspension just more optimised for asphalt? Peugeot also seemed to have closed the gap on asphalt..

[Langdale Forest]

Looks like Petter will loose his lead on this stage.

[wrc1600]

Looks like Petter will loose his lead on this stage.
Considering sunday's stages it is promissing for Petter

[focus206]

Not many replies on this thread during the rally. Is everyone sleeping in Europe or something? I've been away for a few hours... haha
Well, about me, I'm a bit disappointed... not for the rally itself, but because I fear an end like all the last rallies: Petter and Latvala going very fast but then they have problems, Citroen takes 1-2, and Mikko always behind never pushing so much :(
It's still early to say, but...

[Hartusvuori]

It's still early to say, but...

It has been obvious from SS6. We have a new leader to the rally now.

[alleskids]

Eddy Chevallier has a broken dorsal vertebra L1, he has to stay in hospital in Athene for a while, waithing for transporting him back to Belgium, but that is not yet posible for medical reasons. He has to lay quietly on his back for probarly a month. They hit a rock on the bottom of the car when breaking for a corner and flow in the air, rolled 5-6 times. Peter and Eddy have bot bene flow to Athene, Peter is out of hospital.
So Pieter Tsjoen need to look for a new navigator for Ypres rally.

[efe-e]

Hirvonen has one minute penalty for early entering to TC11.

[Hartusvuori]

Hirvonen has one minute penalty for early entering to TC11.

Oh my. See you in Jyväskylä.

[jonkka]

That doesn't affect standings but he's out of the battle now. If he ever was anywhere else.

[AP-Racing]

Maybe it's mistake?

[jonkka]

With Ford, it never is. More likely they'll notice something else and exclude him.

[efe-e]

WRC.com has published it on penalties table.

Edit: Penalty deleted.

[AP-Racing]

Edit: Penalty deleted.

I see

[Mirek]

It was removed from wrc.com.

[KKS]

It's a mistake from marshals or Ford team super fast paying for bills?

[GigiGalliNo1]

Who knows if the big boys at Citroen will play tactics and let Solberg back in the lead (for after the last stage)???? ughhhh.... hope not.

I hope Solberg kicks their asses on day 3! WIN!

[KKS]

I think only Ogier will play chess at Citroens, others will do - rally.

[Tom206wrc]

I wonder if Hirvonen current "slowness" is due to tactic, starting tomorrow behind three Citroëns :confused:

[Xsara Fan]

Novikov stopped at the road section. Broken alternator belt.

[focus206]

I wonder if Hirvonen current "slowness" is due to tactic, starting tomorrow behind three Citroëns :confused:
No way, he is too far behind and tomorrow is the shortest day, so the best he can do is to catch the third place (without counting eventual retirements)

[AP-Racing]

Novikov is out again - he can't change generator belt - because Ford construction very difficulty and for change belt needed service assistence

[wrc1600]

Novikov is out again - he can't change generator belt - because Ford construction very difficulty and for change belt needed service assistence
I am getting fed up with Ford, they stopped developing Focus half way through last season, then I thought they will be way ahead of Citroen with Fiesta, especially when Citroen kept saying they had not enough time to develop DS3. And in fact they were in Sweden but since then all privaters have been through the hell (Solberg had even a break from ralling in Argentina) with those Fiestas.

[Mirek]

I am getting fed up with Ford, they stopped developing Focus half way through last season, then I thought they will be way ahead of Citroen with Fiesta, especially when Citroen kept saying they had not enough time to develop DS3.

Don't believe Citroën press releases. That's nonsense. Citroën has far more people and resources than M-Sport ;)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/889/889_rally_akropolis_2011_993c88c5cb.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/889/889_rally_akropolis_2011_fd47d621db.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/889/889_rally_akropolis_2011_06e90aedb6.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/889/889_rally_akropolis_2011_54c4cd733e.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/889/889_rally_akropolis_2011_231256032a.jpg

More photos from 2nd leg HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=889&fseason=2011)http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=889&fseason=2011

[alleskids]

Loeb is again in a perfect situation to win. So let me be the first to congratualte him for his win tomorrow :(

[focus206]

I am getting fed up with Ford, they stopped developing Focus half way through last season, then I thought they will be way ahead of Citroen with Fiesta, especially when Citroen kept saying they had not enough time to develop DS3. And in fact they were in Sweden but since then all privaters have been through the hell (Solberg had even a break from ralling in Argentina) with those Fiestas.
Well, I still ask to myself how did they managed to win the championship in 2007...

[wrc1600]

Don't believe Citroën press releases. That's nonsense. Citroën has far more people and resources than M-Sport ;)
No I don't believe everything I read is true :) I think it maybe something going on behind the scenes as Antony Warmbol revealed on his blog, after Sweden where most Fiestas were going at the same level. Now disapointment after disapointment

[wrc1600]

Well, I still ask to myself how did they managed to win the championship in 2007...
I think Focus was far more better and competitive against C4

[Barreis]

Citroen sport is just better then M-sport.

[Barreis]

Well, I still ask to myself how did they managed to win the championship in 2007...

How old are you?! They had GreatGronholm.

[rp]

I am getting fed up with Ford, they stopped developing Focus half way through last season, then I thought they will be way ahead of Citroen with Fiesta, especially when Citroen kept saying they had not enough time to develop DS3. And in fact they were in Sweden but since then all privaters have been through the hell (Solberg had even a break from ralling in Argentina) with those Fiestas.

Same to me. It is now clear that Citroen is much better and they are just playing with Fords. I still believe that Ford is able to win in Finland with the help of local knowledge, but that´s it. It is not enough. Hopefully Ford will break their contract with M-Sport and start their own "Boreham 2" works team. Just dreaming. It will never happen :-(

[focus206]

How old are you?! They had GreatGronholm.
Ok, Ford had Gronholm, but Citroen had Loeb, who in 2006 with the Xsara dominated the driver championship, winning it even with skipping 4 rounds. And Ford won the 2006 title just because Loeb skipped these 4 final rounds.
So what? In 2007 the C4 wasn't so good?

[wrc1600]

Same to me. It is now clear that Citroen is much better and they are just playing with Fords. I still believe that Ford is able to win in Finland with the help of local knowledge, but that´s it. It is not enough. Hopefully Ford will break their contract with M-Sport and start their own "Boreham 2" works team. Just dreaming. It will never happen :-(
Finland is to be or not be for Ford, but Finns should win home event. Next year will be interesting if Mini comes out better than Ford.

[wrc1600]

Ok, Ford had Gronholm, but Citroen had Loeb, who in 2006 with the Xsara dominated the driver championship, winning it even with skipping 4 rounds. And Ford won the 2006 title just because Loeb skipped these 4 final rounds.
So what? In 2007 the C4 wasn't so good?
C4 had too many crashes in 2007 and Sordo not so competitive on gravel.

[tmx]

My guess is MSport the private company never had budget compared to factory Citroen at any given time, probably multiple times less. The only reason Gronholm could had kept up with Loeb was because of his amazing outright speed on gravel. Most fanboys are too busy sucking up to Loeb and Citroen to realize this. Now is the reality and Ford doesn't have an answer for Citroen, all hope is on Latvala.

As for the the rally, I don't think Citroen will allow Petter to win. If Petter wants to win he should make sure to have a long conversation with Quesnel tonight, otherwise random parts in his car will begin to implode.

[Barreis]

They should replace this linup 'cos they're not good enough to win the championship.

[Spencer]

My guess is MSport the private company never had budget compared to factory Citroen at any given time, probably multiple times less. The only reason Gronholm could had kept up with Loeb was because of his amazing outright speed on gravel. Most fanboys are too busy sucking up to Loeb and Citroen to realize this. Now is the reality and Ford doesn't have an answer for Citroen, all hope is on Latvala.

As for the the rally, I don't think Citroen will allow Petter to win. If Petter wants to win he should make sure to have a long conversation with Quesnel tonight, otherwise random parts in his car will begin to implode.
I dont think its fair to make direct comparisons between the two imo being in different cars and all. Gronholm was a hell of a driver. Shame we never saw them compete in the same team

[wrc1600]

My guess is MSport the private company never had budget compared to factory Citroen at any given time, probably multiple times less. The only reason Gronholm could had kept up with Loeb was because of his amazing outright speed on gravel. Most fanboys are too busy sucking up to Loeb and Citroen to realize this. Now is the reality and Ford doesn't have an answer for Citroen, all hope is on Latvala.

As for the the rally, I don't think Citroen will allow Petter to win. If Petter wants to win he should make sure to have a long conversation with Quesnel tonight, otherwise random parts in his car will begin to implode.
If that is true, Petter will drive VW next year so he doesn't have to care about Quesnel now

[Mirek]

VW Polo won't be homologated next year. They are coming in 2013 and they have laaaarge row of candidates on their seats...

[jonkka]

Night stage started :D

[blissard]

Loeb +1.4.. interesting.

Edit: And then -3.5.. so much for that glimmer of hope.

[wrc1600]

It must be great out there..

[jonkka]

No sight of Ogier?

[wrc1600]

No sight of Ogier?
He's on the stage

[jonkka]

He's on the stage

No splits from him but gap between Mikko and Henning would indicate so...

[wrc1600]

Clever play for Citroen/Ogier?

[jonkka]

Clever play for Citroen/Ogier?

In what way?

[Mirek]

Nice to see Seb The Great decided not to use tactics.

[xavier]

the question is "can Ogier see other's splits?"

[wrc1600]

In what way?
No split times from his car

[jonkka]

the question is "can Ogier see other's splits?"

Yes but they usually follow only one other. Team relays target time if they need to drop behind of more than one driver.

[jonkka]

No split times from his car

That those aren't shown on web don't mean that those aren't being recorded and available to someone.

[awake27]

Clever play for Citroen/Ogier?
Against the fellow member of the team S. Loeb? If true then I expect something will explode at Citroen service park.

[wrc1600]

the question is "can Ogier see other's splits?"
Of course he can :)

[Mirek]

So Ogier played the tactics and is now +2 behind Loeb for tomorrow...

[jonkka]

Ogi drops behind Seb but only Seb. :eek:

[rp]

I am fed up with Ogier. ""I do not know my time.." Of course he knew and now he is 2,2 seconds behind... Ogier is always playing these tactical games...

[awake27]

Ogier slotted 2nd behind Loeb. Excellent team work by Citroen (ironic comment). Ogier going for the win and Loeb now very likely to lose even the podium (if Hirvonen wakes up).

[KKS]

Ogier use tactics.... so we wait Ogier roll, Ogier went wide, Ogier hit a rock on 3rd day...

[wrc1600]

I am fed up with Ogier. ""I do not know my time.." Of course he knew and now he is 2,2 seconds behind... Ogier is always playing these tactical games...
+1

[wrc1600]

Ogier use tactics.... so we wait Ogier roll, Ogier went wide, Ogier hit a rock on 3rd day...
+1 :)

[awake27]

The good team scenario was to slot both cars behind Petter and if possible Ogier behind Hirvonen like day 1, but seems Quesnel tries to boost his protege championship hopes while also hindering Loeb.

[Mirek]

Ogier slotted 2nd behind Loeb. Excellent team work by Citroen (ironic comment). Ogier going for the win and Loeb now very likely to lose even the podium (if Hirvonen wakes up).

That's one of the problems of Ford. They have very rarely two drivers together on top to support each other in these moments. Usually one of them is far behind for any reason and the only one between Citroëns can't do much...

[jonkka]

That's one of the problems of Ford. They have very rarely two drivers together on top to support each other in these moments. Usually one of them is far behind for any reason and the only one between Citroëns can't do much...

If one is fast enough, he needs no support from the team mate.

[KKS]

I think that Citroen team is divided into two parts. 1st with Loeb ahead do rally job, and 2nd with Quesnel - play chess, tactics or otherwise else but not rally.
I think Loeb can win without tactics just cuz he goes fast, unlike Ogier.

[COVENANT]

whatever they do will lose it again by the great leader.....SEBASTIAN LOEB
he is winner....and this is his difference from the others.....

[Mirek]

If one is fast enough, he needs no support from the team mate.

I'm afraid that Your man is sitting in a wrong car...

[jonkka]

I'm afraid that Your man is sitting in a wrong car...

I am not gay.

[pucky54]

It is obvious that splits always fail in the Citroens when its getting "interesting".
Isn't that against the rules :confused:

[Mirek]

I am not gay.

lol

[oph]

When does the starting order change tomorrow? After service or just before power stage? Its quite crucial for petter and mikko..

[jonkka]

When does the starting order change tomorrow? After service or just before power stage? Its quite crucial for petter and mikko..

Only power stage is in reverse order.

[awake27]

It doesn't matter how great driver Loeb is, he CAN'T win tomorrow with pure speed. Others will have to do mistakes or hit problems.

Citroen has some explanations to do to his leader in points how he ended up doing a no.2 driver job when they had an extra and fairer option for both. And Ogier should man up and admit the deliberate side of the thing instead of playing the innocent and the saint.

[oph]

Only power stage is in reverse order.
Lets hope so :) didnt they change after the last service i argentina?

[Mirek]

Juho stopped?

[rp]

It is obvious that splits always fail in the Citroens when its getting "interesting".
Isn't that against the rules :confused:

True, that it has happened many times. But there is rules and the other rules...

[J4MIE]

Guys please also remember that the stages for tomorrow have already been used, so cleaning is likely to be minimal...

Had another good today, very difficult climb up to hairpin on first stage and I almost gave up trying but in the end arrived approx 3 minutes before Petter :up: Was stuck in traffic so watched SS9 from afar, back to SS10 but am so completely and totally knackered called it a day at that, hopefully tomorrow doesn't involve so many hills! :up:

[jonkka]

Lets hope so :) didnt they change after the last service i argentina?

I am not sure of Argentina, but I checked from Acropolis itinerary and there is 49 min regroup before Power Stage.

[Mirek]

Juho stopped?

GPS mistake :)

[wrc1600]

[quote="awake27"]It doesn't matter how great driver Loeb is, he CAN'T win tomorrow with pure speed. Others will have to do mistakes or hit problems.

You could say that about some average driver, in some past rallies he has done impossible results :)

[vkangas]

GPS mistake :)
Phew!

[J4MIE]

In fact from what I saw on SS6 it will be big ruts and large rocks......

[uranium]

GPS mistake :)

Thanks God! My heart was nearly stopped, when I saw this "20:23 Hanninen stops in SS13
Reports from the North One camera crew indicate that SWRC leader Juho Hanninen has halted on the stage."

But now I see that he has done SS13 with 13:32.7

[awake27]

"It was very difficult in this stage," said Ogier. "I went flat all the time and it was difficult to drive." - Ogier

Even Athanassoulas beat Ogier's time at the night stage, a first timer in wrc cars with zero testing and limited rallying experience. But don't wrong the frenchman, it was difficult to drive. ROFL

[wrc1600]

"It was very difficult in this stage," said Ogier. "I went flat all the time and it was difficult to drive." - Ogier

Even Athanassoulas beat Ogier's time at the night stage, a first timer in wrc cars with zero testing and limited rallying experience. But don't wrong the frenchman, it was difficult to drive. ROFL
yes very difficult...

[wrc1600]

In fact from what I saw on SS6 it will be big ruts and large rocks......
What was like night stage?

[pucky54]

yes very difficult...

...difficult to believe :)

[J4MIE]

What was like night stage?

We skipped due to previously mentioned mountain climbing and poor physical condition... Gees I am unfit, but I got up there and the crowd cheered!! :D

[wrc1600]

We skipped due to previously mentioned mountain climbing and poor physical condition... Gees I am unfit, but I got up there and the crowd cheered!! :D
Well done:>

[N.O.T]

just got back from the rally..

Spectated 2 special stages and a service

Quite enjoyable day, the stages themselves where nothing special but the company was very nice, thats what you get when you cannot go through the stage to find a good spot.

Some very promissing times by Lambros but the fact that the stages are a few kms away from his house played its role and it showed in the second pass through the stages where everyone had knowledge, But nontheless a very nice and memorable performance.

Pity to see tactics were employed once more....

Pictures soon.....

[focus206]

I don't criticize Ogier for using tactics, but to say what he said is really pathetic!!!

[AndyRAC]

What do people expect from a team who's boss is Quesnel - he proved last week what a fool he is. Dr Ulrich did him up like a kipper...

[wrc1600]

What do people expect from a team who's boss is Quesnel - he proved last week what a fool he is. Dr Ulrich did him up like a kipper...
There was interesting interview with former Citroen boss in autosport few weeks ago about Quesnel, just to say... he's not got best personality

[tfp]

What do people expect from a team who's boss is Quesnel - he proved last week what a fool he is. Dr Ulrich did him up like a kipper...

I saw him cry in the pits :s mokin:

[MartijnS]

Just got back from the night stage. Great atmosphere!! I think a couple of thousand people at a Tarmac hairpin. Really cool :)
Had a good day! Five stages including the night stage.

[N.O.T]

pictures from day 2

WRC Acropolis 2011 - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51932399@N07/sets/72157626858800491/)

[Xsara Fan]

Evgeny Novikov. Second day report (http://www.almrally.ru/english/info/5630/)

[tfp]

Nice pictures!

[awake27]

Acropolis Rally, 16-19 June 2011 - Competitors - Press Releases - SERVICE FLASH E (http://www.acropolisrally.gr/EN/2011/competitors_2-2011/press_releases-2011/press-releases/1/dt_18062011_2319.html)

Loeb quote:
"Night stage was less difficult than I excepted. It has been a good day for us, because at the start of the day I was 51,6 seconds behind Petter. Now I will try to defend my place tomorrow. Ogier had an advantage. He had no splits and we didn't know his time."

What a strange coincidence http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-whistle-2.gif

[tfp]

This is true, why did ogier have no splits?

[kobefly]

No pictures from night stage?

[wildsir]

This is true, why did ogier have no splits? simple, pull the aerial off.

[Shacki]

No pictures from night stage?

Some of them

eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie Acropolis Rally 2011 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=1236&fotograf=35&all=1)

[KKS]

very good morning.

[HaCo]

Apparently Loeb not happy at all with the tactics Citroen played. Ogier was supprised to be 2nd and of course Loeb to be first. Ogier did get a time from Citroen, so this is how Loeb reacts at the finish of day 2: "They (Citroen-team) help him (Ogier) to win the rally instead of me, leader in th championship", "that is good info for today and the rest of the season".
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?id=d15&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=43027&cHash=ba4cc5a76f

[wwbroe]

Good morning guys, first stage is live, no splits for Loeb?

[KKS]

as always - wrc.com with glitches

[jonkka]

If they would switch splits completely off, for everyone, this day might be interesting. Except to watch...

[jonkka]

No splits for Mikko either... :D

[jonkka]

Loeb at the stage finish, time 12:57,2. Now let's see what others do.

[HaCo]

7.3 faster than Loeb :)

Will Ford finally learn tactics to do it right?

[HarriK]

7.3 faster than Loeb :)

Will Ford finally learn tactics to do it right?

Great start for Mikko!

[jonkka]

Yeah but this was 19km stage, next one will be only 11km's and then those are repeated. It's gonna be a close call but I don't think it'll suffice.

[wwbroe]

I agree with Jonkka, i think it will be close fight, but with the two Citroen's still in front.

[Brother John]

If they would switch splits completely off, for everyone, this day might be interesting. Except to watch...

Yes jonkka, The split times are abused for years.

[HaCo]

I agree with Jonkka, i think it will be close fight, but with the two Citroen's still in front.

Well, if it continues like this it will be a great powerstage! :)

[HaCo]

Next stage is running...

[ste898]

Well what an exciting day it will be...........

OH no my dream has ended ha ha

Same old same old citroen win Ford runners up yet another boooring dusty gravel rally

Dont watch now as same old thing

Rant over!!!

[Brother John]

When I see the stage-times after the finish, for me that´s enough. http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/icons/icon14.png
And what happened yesterday!!!
Do you see finally how the French are and how they treat even their own drivers, yes even Loeb their champion since many years? :o

[jonkka]

Loeb retakes the lead!

PS: There is rational reason for Quesnel to favour Ogier over Loeb. But he shouldn't upset Loeb in the process.

[wwbroe]

Loeb is back where he belongs, in the lead !!!

[HaCo]

At this pace Hirvonen will never catch top 2 duo.

[jonkka]

At this pace Hirvonen will never catch top 2 duo.

Q.E.D

[Tom206wrc]

Promising last three stages to come for the three first drivers :)
Solberg, well, too many mistakes when his position is therefore optimum for a big attack :rolleyes:

[bretddog]

What a disgrace of a rally. I never thought I would see this level of crap. Quesnels motives are crystal clear. To help Ogier win the Driver's title with his silent mis-management, and even tactics directly and solely against Loeb, leading in the Drivers title points. That's just too much. One can wonder for the remaining of the season, if some unreliable part or poor engine mapping unfortunately would find the way into Loebs car. Yet it's already quite a big mental pressure on Loeb to be squeezed out of the team. I just hope he leave them slaughtered and wins all the remaining rallies of the season.

And this version of Petter; non-talkative, yet not-frustrated, is his standard behavior when under team orders. Which we seen before, for those who pay attention, it just all becomes too obvious this time.

I didn't think I would lose interest in WRC, but this is exactly what this weekend brings.

[Mirek]

Let's see some positives. By this way Loeb may decide not to retire but to kick Quesnel's ass in another team which really wants him. I don't say it will happen but Mr.Q works that way it could be possible for Loeb to accept the offer...

[René]

Quesnel plays a dangerous game. It does not let 2 Seb decide in a regular sport manner by taking party for Ogier. Beyond of the debatable aspect opposite of sports equity, It began destroying dynamics and integrity of Team; mechanics, engineers etc. Fréquelin without a lot of respect for Quesnel had told risk that would represent any directives aiming at favoring the one where other one of the pilots.
But obviously Thomas Fuller was right when he said: “You can give an advice; who can give intelligence to follow it??"

[lcd]

It's been a great DAY1! Especially with Petter on the lead! :D
Here are some of my highlights at s.s Eleftherohori! Enjoy!
Video footage Is coming In the next days!

Sorry for the long rank! :p

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See you at the Acropolis rally 2012! :)

[lcd]

P.S. A great meal after a great rally! Who said there Is an economic crisis In Greece??? :D

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[HaCo]

@lcd: with a nice desert :)

Poor Patterson gets lost in the dark: World Rally Championship - Video - Browse All - Greece 2011: Patterson gets lost in the dark (http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/greece-2011-patterson-gets-lost-in-the-dark/?vid=2194&pg=1&srch_season=&srch_rallyid=&srch_teamid=-1&srch_driverid=-1)

Doesn't seem to have lost a lot of time there.

[René]

Ogier syndrome again or not???

[jonkka]

P.S. A great meal after a great rally! Who said there Is an economic crisis In Greece??? :D

I presume that you had to pay your food yourself, didn't you? The way we are pouring 110bln euros there (and further 120bln are being requested), they should have been able to offer free meals.

[tfp]

Really dissapointed with Petter, I was hoping for so much more. I dont think Ive ever seen anybody drive so well in the first leg of a round, only to do so badly in the second and third.
I'd love to see Hirvonen make up some time, but with the two sebs up front I dont think it will happen.
It sounds more and more like Quesnel wants Ogier to win over Loeb...Maybe Quesnel is as sick of Loeb winning as we are!
I hope Ogier wins and takes points off Loeb, no one can really be bothered if the championship is won with 3 rallies remaining like last year. In a year when Formula 1 had the closest finish in god knows how many years, it did make WRC look a little tame.

[Mise]

At this pace Hirvonen will never catch top 2 duo.

He may not catch them but it is very important that the gap is only 14 secs.
Citroens can't froze the situation but they have to push.
Anything can happen.

[tfp]

does anyone know what time the powerstage is on?

[jonkka]

does anyone know what time the powerstage is on?

14:11 local time (EET).

[jonkka]

Check itinerary (http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/acropolis-rally-of-greece/itinerary/)

[tfp]

14:11 local time (EET).

Aah, thanks mate:-)

[Mirek]

In a year when Formula 1 had the closest finish in god knows how many years, it did make WRC look a little tame.

What is so special on Vettel winning round after round and having almost twice more points than the second in the standings after just seven events?

[Brother John]

What a disgrace of a rally. I never thought I would see this level of crap. Quesnels motives are crystal clear. To help Ogier win the Driver's title with his silent mis-management, and even tactics directly and solely against Loeb, leading in the Drivers title points. That's just too much. One can wonder for the remaining of the season, if some unreliable part or poor engine mapping unfortunately would find the way into Loebs car. Yet it's already quite a big mental pressure on Loeb to be squeezed out of the team. I just hope he leave them slaughtered and wins all the remaining rallies of the season.

And this version of Petter; non-talkative, yet not-frustrated, is his standard behavior when under team orders. Which we seen before, for those who pay attention, it just all becomes too obvious this time.

I didn't think I would lose interest in WRC, but this is exactly what this weekend brings.

I agree completely with what you write here bretddog.http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/icons/icon14.png Somebody who wants to see the truth. :s mokin:

[focus206]

This rally is in Ogier's hands, he can lose it only by making mistakes now... if I was Loeb, I would be pretty angry with the team

[tfp]

What is so special on Vettel winning round after round and having almost twice more points than the second in the standings after just seven events?

I was referring to 2010, when 4 drivers had the chance to win the championship at the last round, it made for a very exciting finish, compared to WRC which was won with 3 rounds to spare. Although I agree with you this year, it has been a pretty boring season in F1. I hope Loeb doesn't run away with it again this year, it will make things much more interesting.

[Brother John]

What is so special on Vettel winning round after round and having almost twice more points than the second in the standings after just seven events?

He is the same special as Loeb is in WRC. :p :

[wrc1600]

What a disgrace of a rally. I never thought I would see this level of crap. Quesnels motives are crystal clear. To help Ogier win the Driver's title with his silent mis-management, and even tactics directly and solely against Loeb, leading in the Drivers title points. That's just too much. One can wonder for the remaining of the season, if some unreliable part or poor engine mapping unfortunately would find the way into Loebs car. Yet it's already quite a big mental pressure on Loeb to be squeezed out of the team. I just hope he leave them slaughtered and wins all the remaining rallies of the season.

And this version of Petter; non-talkative, yet not-frustrated, is his standard behavior when under team orders. Which we seen before, for those who pay attention, it just all becomes too obvious this time.

I didn't think I would lose interest in WRC, but this is exactly what this weekend brings.
+1 all my support and respect to Loeb

[Mirek]

I was referring to 2010, when 4 drivers had the chance to win the championship at the last round, it made for a very exciting finish, compared to WRC which was won with 3 rounds to spare. Although I agree with you this year, it has been a pretty boring season in F1. I hope Loeb doesn't run away with it again this year, it will make things much more interesting.

Aha, ok :)


He is the same special as Loeb is in WRC. :p :

Still Loeb has won only 3 events of 6 so far... bit of course it's a lot if Your team supports Your rival.

[The D Man]

is there a link to the live powerstage?

[Mise]

ss17 is live, rallyradio plays music.
If stages where the rally winner is decided don't interest them,
what does?

[jonkka]

Haribo gum candies

[Mirek]

From splits of SS17 it looks like Loeb gave up... which gives a chance to Hirvonen.

[jonkka]

From splits of SS17 it looks like Loeb gave up... which gives a chance to Hirvonen.

Question is, will he give up second place as well?

[Mise]

Question is, will he give up second place as well?

The differens is 2,6 secs. I think it's too much.

[René]

Question is, will he give up second place as well?

May be definitely???

[wrc1600]

Question is, will he give up second place as well?
Maybe he's crazy sometimes but not stupid

[jonkka]

Maybe he's crazy sometimes but not stupid

And what "stupid" would mean in this case? When your own team manager is plotting against you, you still try to defeat the opposition regardless of that because it's heroic and gallant to do so?

[wrc1600]

And what "stupid" would mean in this case? When your own team manager is plotting against you, you still try to defeat the opposition regardless of that because it's heroic and gallant to do so?
It means he leads championship and he's in front of his opponent. No matter what Quesnel is plotting Loeb is going for drivers championship so would be stupid give up second position

[vkangas]

So annoying to see what kind of times JML can make easily. I really hope he goes to VW and wins a championship there...

[Leon]

link to the live powerstage?

[bretddog]

Loeb is calculated, as always. He goes for best expectancy outcome, not off the limit risk to win. So in the controversial situation this turned out to be, it looks this means preserving tires for power stage to aim for 21 points.

[focus206]

Really difficult for Mikko to take the 2nd place, probably he will settle up for 3rd...

[Mirek]

Loeb is calculated, as always. He goes for best expectancy outcome, not off the limit risk to win. So in the controversial situation this turned out to be, it looks this means preserving tires for power stage to aim for 21 points.

Isn't power stage mostly asphalt? If so do You remember Cyprus when they drove first time large asphalt parts on gravel tyres and how good worn tyres actually worked?

[bretddog]

Isn't power stage mostly asphalt? If so do You remember Cyprus when they drove first time large asphalt parts on gravel tyres and how good worn tyres actually worked?
Don't know, I haven't heard it's tarmac, but may well be. In any case I'm sure he got a reason for what he does.

[Francis44]

Isn't power stage mostly asphalt? If so do You remember Cyprus when they drove first time large asphalt parts on gravel tyres and how good worn tyres actually worked?

I dont think it is. Probably some small part of tarmac but the Irally video shows mostly gravel.

[Mirek]

Aha, thanks. So I was wrong :)

[alleskids]

link to the live powerstage?
MyP2P.eu :: Racing Events - FIA World Rally Championship (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=120622&part=sports)

[awake27]

So Ogier leads and has the win with a handful of cushion and Loeb fights tooth and nail to hold off marginally Mikko, what a surprise. Actually, the surprise is Petter on an ideal position today running off the pace...


P.S. Can anyone find an email of the citroen team? I have a few remarks to say to them especially Quesnel... :mad:

[Brother John]

MyP2P.eu :: Racing Events - FIA World Rally Championship (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=120622&part=sports)

Ik vind niets op jouw link, waar moet ik op klikken of ben ik nog te vroeg!?

[mm1]

Any other links?

[COD]

So Ogier leads and has the win with a handful of cushion and Loeb fights tooth and nail to hold off marginally Mikko, what a surprise. Actually, the surprise is Petter on an ideal position today running off the pace...


P.S. Can anyone find an email of the citroen team? I have a few remarks to say to them especially Quesnel... :mad:

Seems Petter gets good engine map on day 1, so he can lead and clean for works Citroens. Then mapping is changed fo customer mode...

[tfp]

does anyone else watch the finnish website for the powerstage? I cant get any sound!

[oph]

Seems Petter gets good engine map on day 1, so he can lead and clean for works Citroens. Then mapping is changed fo customer mode...

+1

[Brother John]

does anyone else watch the finnish website for the powerstage? I cant get any sound!

Give me the link tfp.

[Berzs]

Guys, the same link works - just press Stream 3 on the top of the page

[Brother John]

Guys, the same link works - just press Stream 3 on the top of the page

Which link, Berzs???

[Brother John]

A Powerstage link that works for me here.
http://veetle.com/index.php/widget#B81E774BE29D56F4C0DBFE90E7937413/true/16:9

[GigiGalliNo1]

Seems Petter gets good engine map on day 1, so he can lead and clean for works Citroens. Then mapping is changed fo customer mode...

+2

[Mirek]

Mikko flat out. Now let's wait for the answer...

[wwbroe]

He is for sure on the podium of power stage. :D

[wwbroe]

Looks like Ogier has the win in his pocket and eventually scoring some more points in superstage.

[wwbroe]

And Loeb finishes second!!!

[mm1]

No congratulations between team mates. This might escalate during the season.

[wwbroe]

No congratulations between team mates. This might escalate during the season.

And this is the result of Mr. Quesnel's behaviour.

[mm1]

It`s just getting worse with mr.Q

[GigiGalliNo1]

And Loeb finishes second!!!

Now haven't heard that for a while!!! :D

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/889/889_rally_akropolis_2011_b9bc840719.jpg

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More photos from 3rd leg HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=889&fseason=2011)

[wrc1600]

Maybe they should consider Power Stage at the end of every day with extra points, especially bigger difference between 1 and 2 position. Who would risk tactics then?

[Barreis]

Nice photos.

[Juha_Koo]

Citroen is divided... Compare these two photos. :)

Ogierin voitolle erikoista juhlintaa - MTV3.fi - Urheilu - Ralli - Uutiset (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2011/06/1348163/ogierin-voitolle-erikoista-juhlintaa)

[Hartusvuori]

Citroen is divided... Compare these two photos. :)

Ogierin voitolle erikoista juhlintaa - MTV3.fi - Urheilu - Ralli - Uutiset (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2011/06/1348163/ogierin-voitolle-erikoista-juhlintaa)

It could be that they are already quite used to Loeb's winning. It ain't a breaking news.

[Addicted]

So annoying to see what kind of times JML can make easily. I really hope he goes to VW and wins a championship there...

When is Latvala going to learn that rallies must finish. There is no point for going flat out for a moment and break your car.

Ford seems to be slower than Citroen and maybe bit weaker so even guys with less experience realize that you cant keep up going flat all the time. 98 WRC starts and this guy dont have a clue of saving car in some places. Probably wont ever win championship unless he learn his lesson. Just look at Ogier 1/3 of experience of Latvala yet still same amount of wins.

Leaving Ford wont help before Latvala will learn endurance part of these rallies.

[wrc1600]

When is Latvala going to learn that rallies must finish. There is no point for going flat out for a moment and break your car.

Ford seems to be slower than Citroen and maybe bit weaker so even guys with less experience realize that you cant keep up going flat all the time. 98 WRC starts and this guy dont have a clue of saving car in some places. Probably wont ever win championship unless he learn his lesson. Just look at Ogier 1/3 of experience of Latvala yet still same amount of wins.

Leaving Ford wont help before Latvala will learn endurance part of these rallies.
+1

[Luis Pacheco]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/889/889_rally_akropolis_2011_b9bc840719.jpg

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http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/889/889_rally_akropolis_2011_0f2b2a0c64.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/889/889_rally_akropolis_2011_07412aa3c0.jpg

More photos from 3rd leg HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=889&fseason=2011)

Amazing pics!

As we say in portuguese: grandes bonecos! :)

[vkangas]

Hats off for Ogier, his learning curve has been really fast so far - That I agree.

However, JML's problems in Greece with turbo and front differential had nothing to do with his driving style. Saving the car (more) would mean JML putting similar times to Mikko. And if car is not realiable it could still brake down. If I were in JML's shoes I would continue setting top times and braking down my car now and then. Slowing down and driving steady 3rd places would end his WRC career in two years.

[Mise]

Hänninen now leads both IRC and SWRC.

[N.O.T]

just got back from the event...

I must be honest and say that for me it was an event that i will soon forget...too many ups and downs and thank god i had good company oterwise it would be better to stay home...

pictures in 2-3 hours

Ogier and Loeb on every stage i was were among the fastest all the time.....the ford drivers seemed inconsistent....in some they were fast and in others dissapointing... Great times by Novikov and was the most spectacular of all i must say, ogier was hell fast everywhere....a true star. The s2000 were very fast as well...was very hard to tell who was faster than the other from the top crews (apart from hanninen)

Ogier is closing fast on Loeb...

The best rally of the season comes up and a chance for ford to claim something after a long long time.

[wrc1600]

Hats off for Ogier, his learning curve has been really fast so far - That I agree.

However, JML's problems in Greece with turbo and front differential had nothing to do with his driving style. Saving the car (more) would mean JML putting similar times to Mikko. And if car is not realiable it could still brake down. If I were in JML's shoes I would continue setting top times and braking down my car now and then. Slowing down and driving steady 3rd places would end his WRC career in two years.
There has been already one guy like JML, Duval. Did you hear how is he doing now?

[Barreis]

It would be good to see him in Germany.

[wrc1600]

It would be good to see him in Germany.
I read somewhere that he is going to drive C2 or other front wheel drive in Germany

[dimviii]

Just came back from Acropolis.
I managed to watch 11 stages+shakedown.Batteries are fully charged.
At Kefalari 1 Henning had a big moment in front of me,which left me half bumper of his Fiesta.Was very lucky he managed to come back in ss without major problems.
I liked Ogiers aggresive driving,tottaly different from Loebs.Also Latvala very nice but not at all ss i saw.
Congrats to Loeb for his effort to fight for the rally at last stage while was cleaning the road for 2 days,and some ''dissapeared'' splits from his team mate.
This guy is really amazing
Very nice driving by Athanasoulas,couldn t think that he could be so fast against second class drivers out of the box,and without tests.
Also liked Nassers driving,was clear fastest at stages i watched.Also much better suspension work the fiesta from skoda in rough gravel.
also Novikov today was from another planet,clearly very wide from side to side.
Wilson was as always slower than replay.This guy must really stop to ridicule himself.Was beaten clearly from a guy in his first wrc car attempt,while he had 2 years to drive,and without any test......

[N.O.T]

complete gallery of all 3 days here

WRC Acropolis 2011 - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51932399@N07/sets/72157626858800491/)

if you need any of the pics in high rez just pm me i have all crews.

[A.F.F.]

Congrats Ogier :up:

[N.O.T]

[quote="dimviii"]

If you mean Lambros i think you must take a look at the time sheets once more....Lambros did ok but unfortunatelly didn't show any signs that he could be up there with the top privateers in the big league.

[Barreis]

What to do next 38 days until next round?!

[Allar]

What to do next 38 days until next round?!
Rally Estonia :D I think someone with Fiesta will attend there aswell, not sure.

anyone have picture of Tänaks crashed car?

[Juha_Koo]

Incredible commentary about JML. Lately the mechanical breakdowns have had absolutely nothing to do with the driver nor his driving style. Would be interesting to hear e.g. how JML can break a turbo internally. :)

I can't express how deeply disappointed I am about this thing. Mikko is constantly losing to Citroens by small margin and every time the same commentary: "Well, we came close, it's okay. Tough battle. Not perfect, we have to improve in the next rallies." Still, it's always the same result. Mikko has became more aggressive in his driving but it's still not enough. Maybe it's in his personality. He said that in 2010 when he "tried by trying" to win as much as possible, it was a total disaster.

JML has grown and could, in my opinion, challenge the Citroen gang. He just hasn't had a proper chance yet this season. It was (and would have been) Sardinia, but the unfortunate error by Miikka prevented it. Ford has lost the small advantage they had in the beginning of the season.

Ford really doesn't have any other option than to deliver a clean and clear 1-2 result from Finland. Every other result is a failure. Plain and simple.

[bluuford]

Rally Estonia :D I think someone with Fiesta will attend there aswell, not sure.

anyone have picture of Tänaks crashed car?
Rally Akropolis 2011 (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=889&fseason=2011#)
Picture Nr1, Nr17 and Nr 51. Not too bad but still a lot of hammering needed.

[tfp]

I read somewhere that he is going to drive C2 or other front wheel drive in Germany

I hope to see Duval in Germany, but....a front wheel drive? Shame...One of the drivers I have missed in recent years.
JML has got a bit of a hammering, hes just had genuine bad luck. Hope to see him do well in Finland.

[mousti]

There has been already one guy like JML, Duval. Did you hear how is he doing now?
He's enjoying live at his garage with wife and kid :D

[N.O.T]

Ford really doesn't have any other option than to deliver a clean and clear 1-2 result from Finland. Every other result is a failure. Plain and simple.

I do not think The citroen guys will even go for the win in finland....both of them are very smart and know that there are more to lose if they push too hard in an event they will probably lose even if they push. My guess is hirvoen will win Latvala 2nd and then the citroen guys will have a relaxed battle between them to keep themslves away from danger from the strong finnish privateers. But this remains to be seen. they can have their revenge in the following tarmac rounds.

[Hartusvuori]

I do not think The citroen guys will even go for the win in finland....both of them are very smart and know that there are more to lose if they push too hard in an event they will probably lose even if they push. My guess is hirvoen will win Latvala 2nd and then the citroen guys will have a relaxed battle between them to keep themslves away from danger from the strong finnish privateers. But this remains to be seen. they can have their revenge in the following tarmac rounds.

I would be really surprised to see Ogier settle for anything less than victory in Finland. Last year he wasn't settling and this year he hasn't been either. Tactically what you say is true, but Ogier doesn't have Finland victory yet and that's most likely something he would like to have. It'll up on Friday results - if Fords gain a good lead on the new stages (that's anything up from 15s) - they can defend it on Saturday. Loeb's win in Finland is less likely than Ogier's - he can settle - but of course all is possible with these four drivers.

[N.O.T]

I think also the new format of 2 days will test the drivers to the limit....the 6 stages per day format sure spoiled them.

[Sulland]

Really dissapointed with Petter, I was hoping for so much more. I dont think Ive ever seen anybody drive so well in the first leg of a round, only to do so badly in the second and third.
I'd love to see Hirvonen make up some time, but with the two sebs up front I dont think it will happen.
It sounds more and more like Quesnel wants Ogier to win over Loeb...Maybe Quesnel is as sick of Loeb winning as we are!
I hope Ogier wins and takes points off Loeb, no one can really be bothered if the championship is won with 3 rallies remaining like last year. In a year when Formula 1 had the closest finish in god knows how many years, it did make WRC look a little tame.

I am happy with Ogier winning, if he is the best and does it cleanly.

But for Loeb it must be hurting a lot to see that the new Seb is getting support from the boss to run an unfair game to take the top spot.

Would be interesting to have a beer with Petter to hear the real reason why he lost so much on day 3. Day 2 is understandable, but it seems also here that he looses more than he normally would, compared to Loebs pace starting as first on the road.

From the outside it seems like there is something fishy happening to the engine btw day 1 and 2 !!

[N.O.T]

Solberg is just a bit slower than the ford guys and a lot slower than the citroen guys...simple as that. I do not think Solberg would be that stupid to spend his millions on a downgraded car.... Plus the citroen team would benefit a lot more if they had the cars the same as last year since solberg would cut off points from the ford team.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Solberg is just a bit slower than the ford guys and a lot slower than the citroen guys...simple as that. I do not think Solberg would be that stupid to spend his millions on a downgraded car.... Plus the citroen team would benefit a lot more if they had the cars the same as last year since solberg would cut off points from the ford team.

Wait? What? Solberg slower then the Ford guys???

[rage82]

An interesting video from sunday press conference with Loeb explaining his frustaration in saturday night after the night ss.
World Rally Championship - Video - Features - Greece 2011: Sunday Press Conference (http://wrc.com/video/features/greece-2011-sunday-press-conference/?vid=2198)

[wrc1600]

Solberg is just a bit slower than the ford guys and a lot slower than the citroen guys...simple as that. I do not think Solberg would be that stupid to spend his millions on a downgraded car.... Plus the citroen team would benefit a lot more if they had the cars the same as last year since solberg would cut off points from the ford team.

Have you followed Solberg's times on Friday?

[dimviii]

If you mean Lambros i think you must take a look at the time sheets once more....Lambros did ok but unfortunatelly didn't show any signs that he could be up there with the top privateers in the big league.
I said about Wilson,not top privateers.Except if at top privateers you include Wilson.
Of course he is not going to win the top privateers in his first wrc drive without even testing.All top privateers at Acropolis had minimum 10-20 starts with wrc cars.
If he could manage a miracle something like that,Latvala,Hirvonen,Loeb,Ogier must be afraid for their seats.

[N.O.T]

The ss wins were 8-5 in favour of Wilson unfortunatelly..... and athanasoulas was also sower than some s2000 on some stages. Was a good drive but i would prefer to see him competing in a s2000 this year where the competition was stronger and we could judge him better.

But the bottom line is that he had fun and that's important since there are no future plans.

[N.O.T]

Have you followed Solberg's times on Friday?

have you followed Solbergs times when his starting position was not ideal ?? Ogier, Loeb and Latvala all managed wins when starting from the front...solberg could not even hold a podium place....

And if he cannot do it now that the cars are as equal as they get...i see no improvement when new evolutions emerge.

I would like to see him win an event before he retires but it looks less likely as time passes.

[dimviii]

The ss wins were 8-5 in favour of Wilson unfortunatelly......
Unfortunately for Wilson he beated from a guy in his first wrc drive without testing,while his previous drive was 2 years ago in a rented s2000.

and athanasoulas was also sower than some s2000 on some stages..
From s2000 beated also at some stages Wilson,Henning,Kuipers,Merkestein,Ostberg,Kimi,Nov ikov.


Was a good drive but i would prefer to see him competing in a s2000 this year where the competition was stronger and we could judge him better..
i would like also to see him in a s2000 with this competition.



But the bottom line is that he had fun and that's important since there are no future plans.
While you undestant that he went for fun,why you measure stages against 5 yer plan drivers,or Ostberg with 30 rallies with wrc cars,Novikov in second year with wrc car etc?
Just for fun he was very fast and inside the road.Just watch the Saturday times,while he had drive for 1 stage in Friday.On Sunday he said that he is not going to take any risks cause he wanted to finish for sponsors.
Hope if next year will drive a wrc,to NOT measure him with Sebs.

[wrc1600]

have you followed Solbergs times when his starting position was not ideal ?? Ogier, Loeb and Latvala all managed wins when starting from the front...solberg could not even hold a podium place....

And if he cannot do it now that the cars are as equal as they get...i see no improvement when new evolutions emerge.

I would like to see him win an event before he retires but it looks less likely as time passes.
I don't get your jokes.