Rally de Portugal 2011

[Sardalense]

Next year´s Rally de Portugal will start thursday, March 24th, in Lisbon with a SSS. The rally will re-start friday in the usual region of Algarve. The SSS will be in front of "Mosteiro dos Jerónimos", where the Dakar started in 2006 and 2007.

Map of the SSS: http://postimage.org/image/eovfcgas/

[Sardalense]

2011 Schedule

19 or 20.03.2011 - Porto Road Show

21 and 22.03.2011 - Recconnaissance

23.03.2011 - Shakedown (0800-1300)

24.03.2011 - SSS Lisboa (1800)

25.03.2011 - LEG 1

0905 - SS2 Santa Clara 1 (22,99 km)
0953 - SS3 Ourique 1 (20,27 km)
1106 - SS4 Felizes 1 (21,31 km)

1425 - SS5 Santa Clara 2
1513 - SS6 Ourique 2
1626 - SS7 Felizes 2

26.03.2011 - LEG 2

1017 - SS8 Almodôvar 1 (26,23 km)
1110 - SS9 Vascão 1 (25,26 km)
1200 - SS10 Loulé 1 (22,56 km)

1502 - SS11 Almodôvar 2
1555 - SS12 Vascão 2
1645 - SS13 Loulé 2

27.03.2011 - LEG 3

0734 - SS14 Silves 1 (21,39 km)
0827 - SS15 Santana da Serra 1 (31,04 km)

1155 - SS16 Silves 2
1252 - SS17 Santana da Serra 2

Total distance: 1360,14 km
SS distance: 385,25 km

[Sardalense]

Update:

24.03.2011 - SSS Lisboa (1530)

[AndyRAC]

Not a very interesting route - hasn't anybody told the organisers you can have a 2-4 day events with less repeated stages.
How many other events will stay the same?

[General Prim]

Why not to put some stages from Faro to Lisbon, and opposite in order to have more kms as Jean Todt said?
One day more with no action for everybody, more $$$ for hotels, rent-a-car, etc, etc
No sense

[Motorsportfun]

Agree :)

[Francis44]

Not a very interesting route - hasn't anybody told the organisers you can have a 2-4 day events with less repeated stages.
How many other events will stay the same?

Algarve isn't really a busy region outside of Summer months so they tried as much as they could to keep stages on weekend so that people from the North and Centre can watch the rally without taking more than 1 or 2 days from work, plus there are some new stages and some changes in the route.

And before Alentejo and near Lisbon there are not many roads to use as stages, without considering of course Sintra, near Lisbon, but that is impossible since those roads would be filled and most of the stages cancelled by the large numbers of spectators.

[mdesign]

I like the new SSS, at least the pictures will be very good on that scenario... The fact that its all 300m from my house is also interesting :P

[Sardalense]

Update:

23.03.2011 - Shakedown (1430-1930) instead of (0800-1300).

[Seppala]

I lately added the stage maps of the Rally Portugal 2011 to my database.
You can find them along with other useful stuff like stage elevation diagrams here:


Rally de Portugal 2011 - interactive stage maps (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/rally/199/Rally-de-Portugal)[/*:m:2f7bxsc6]
Rally de Portugal 2011 - 3D stage tour (http://www.rally-maps.com/country/Portugal/rally/199/Rally-de-Portugal/3D-Tour)[/*:m:2f7bxsc6]
http://www.rally-maps.com/img/Rally-de-Portugal-2011-Overview-Map-en.jpg (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/rally/199/Rally-de-Portugal)

[[WRCRR]]

Manufacturer entries for Rally Portugal here: http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2011/Pages/wrc_entries_prt.aspx

Looks like PSWRT has finally registered for manu championship. Also entries from Brazil WRT and Van Merksteijn Motorsports, respectively. Add Wilson, Sousa, R. Kuipers (S2000) and Araujo in S2000 MINI to these entries...Portugal looking quite good. Full entry list will likely be out in the coming days.

[fastboy]

Find the entry list here :http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/en/rally-de-portugal/news/entity/75-entries-for-the-moment?bl=1

[N.O.T]

[quote="Seppala"]I lately added the stage maps of the Rally Portugal 2011 to my database.
You can find them along with other useful stuff like stage elevation diagrams here:


[LIST]
Rally de Portugal 2011 - interactive stage maps (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/rally/199/Rally-de-Portugal)
Rally de Portugal 2011 - 3D stage tour (http://www.rally-maps.com/country/Portugal/rally/199/Rally-de-Portugal/3D-Tour)

trully amazing work....thank you for your passion.

however on the 3d tour is there a way to tour through the stage at a lower speed ? the stage goes too far and there is too little time to study the potential good spots...

Once again thank you for your contribution, your site is now in my favourites.

[tfp]

I like the new SSS, at least the pictures will be very good on that scenario... The fact that its all 300m from my house is also interesting :P

Lucky bugger :D Party at your house!!

[JTGANG]

Find the entry list here :http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/en/rally-de-portugal/news/entity/75-entries-for-the-moment?bl=1

Wow !!!! It would be a fantastic event....Awaiting to see the Junior's fight with the Fiesta's.....

[OldF]

Find the entry list here :http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/en/rally-de-portugal/news/entity/75-entries-for-the-moment?bl=1

So they’ve put Mini S2000 and other S2000 in the same class but N4 in a separate class.

[Mirek]

It's most probably a mistake. They should be in class 1. Swedish entry list was originally also wrong with new classes.

[Rallyper]

Where is Novikov?

[Walach]

No Fiesta WRC avalaible for this event - therefore he will start his campaign in Mexico instead of Portugal.

[jbmarcus21]

Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2011 Google Earth Map http://bit.ly/gLShc6

[Rallyper]

I´ve just decided to go to Albufeira and watch the third round of WRC. First time in Portugal. Hope it will be nice.

Anyone more to go?

[Andre Oliveira]

For those who come to watch the rally live:

Pay attention to car no 209 -Júlio Bastos - BMW M3 E30, and is son Luís Bastos - BMW M3 E36. Is the showman from Portugal :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP5q-nAFIYM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMT_EwOOt4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UnDP_wL6Hs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6PyY1tMoHI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnsxPbhe_1g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnsxPbhe_1g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_Gaw-9PHMI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_Gaw-9PHMI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ARW1_heAhU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2w_3tSrczM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S5gkBmI1xY

He does rally, hill-climb and rallycross with BMW M3 E30 and E36. The son is learning :)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_kNeKfFQujlA/TTMD8l4_jwI/AAAAAAAACFQ/TDAPmBLLjgE/s720/IMG_6747.jpg

[RICARDO75]

Tests from Bruno Magalhães
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHX1R3OY4Ro&feature=player_embedded

[Tom206wrc]

Big battle to expect also in the 2wd class, with the DS3 R3 coming for the first time in WRC :)

[tolis]

Entry List in seeded order:
http://www.fpak.pt/REG%20PROVAS%202011/VODAFONE%20RALLY%20PT/2011%20VODAFONE%20RALLYE%20DE%20PORTUGAL%20-%20ENTRY%20LISY%20-%20LISTA%20DE%20INSCRITOS.pdf
The FIA Academy starters will compete in all 3 days...Right?

[Wasted Talent]

Wow !!!! It would be a fantastic event....Awaiting to see the Junior's fight with the Fiesta's.....

I agree, I think the Juniors will be the most interesting bit to follow on the internet :) :)

WT

[N.O.T]

the 31 km power stage is going to be crazy !!!

[6789]

the 31 km power stage is going to be crazy !!!

Yeah thats a proper power stage. I bet the one in Australia will be 3kms or something, alittle lame..

Tyre degradation is normally an issue in Portugal, so Loeb or Ogier are looking good for the victory? Well probably only Loeb now lol

[RallyTyger]

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[Iskald]

For those who come to watch the rally live:

Pay attention to car no 209 -Júlio Bastos - BMW M3 E30, and is son Luís Bastos - BMW M3 E36. Is the showman from Portugal :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP5q-nAFIYM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAMT_EwOOt4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UnDP_wL6Hs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6PyY1tMoHI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnsxPbhe_1g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnsxPbhe_1g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_Gaw-9PHMI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_Gaw-9PHMI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ARW1_heAhU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2w_3tSrczM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S5gkBmI1xY

He does rally, hill-climb and rallycross with BMW M3 E30 and E36. The son is learning :)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_kNeKfFQujlA/TTMD8l4_jwI/AAAAAAAACFQ/TDAPmBLLjgE/s720/IMG_6747.jpg

The son is learning what? Donuts in roundabouts...mighty impressive, eh???

[Andre Oliveira]

Unfortunately there are only these videos and not their stages, trust me he gives show ...

[millbrook]

Does someone know on which stage(s) the following pics were taken?

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/994/pea161sordo2.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/pea161sordo2.jpg/)

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/229/cha131ostatni1.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/cha131ostatni1.jpg/)

[Francis44]

São Brás de Alportel stage, runs on the second day (Saturday) :) .

[millbrook]

Thx for your quick reply :)

That must be the Almodovar stage then?
With Vascao & Loule being a bit further to the north.


São Brás de Alportel stage, runs on the second day (Saturday) :) .

[Francis44]

Thx for your quick reply :)

That must be the Almodovar stage then?
With Vascao & Loule being a bit further to the north.

Now you mentioned it, this stage last year was called São Brás de Alportel, so either they changed it, or it no longer runs on the rally.

Someone knows more about this?

[millbrook]

Found this on Youtube, but couldn't trace the spot at first sight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B9pSngSyA0

[Doon]

Entry List in seeded order:
http://www.fpak.pt/REG%20PROVAS%202011/VODAFONE%20RALLY%20PT/2011%20VODAFONE%20RALLYE%20DE%20PORTUGAL%20-%20ENTRY%20LISY%20-%20LISTA%20DE%20INSCRITOS.pdf
The FIA Academy starters will compete in all 3 days...Right?

Can Someone please clear this up for me, the entry list says the 2 Mini's are S2000's in Class 1, all other S2000's are in Class 2. Does this mean the Mini's are Super Production S2000 1.6Ts?

[Mirek]

Yes

[Doon]

Anyone know what kind of power difference the 1.6T are compared to WRC? Any testing videos or pics?

[Mirek]

It's not clear how big restrictor they will run in WRC events. In other events it's around 40-50 Hp difference, in WRC it may be even same. Really depends on restrictor size which is not clear to me.

[MikeD]

I've got a question to the Portuguese in here. Will Bernardo Sousa's Fiesta WRC be run/prepared by Team Quinta do Lorde or by M-Sport at Rally Portugal?

[RICARDO75]

All Fiesta WRC are run and prepared by M-Sport

[Camelopard]

We are off to Portugal next week, a question for the Portuguese people on the forum, what sort of weather can we expect?

I realise that it should be spring but does it rain much in the Algarve at this time of the year?


We will get to Albufeira on the tuesday before the rally and don't intend going up for the special stage in Lisbon. Hopefully we will visit the shakedown.

[tfp]

We are off to Portugal next week, a question for the Portuguese people on the forum, what sort of weather can we expect?

I realise that it should be spring but does it rain much in the Algarve at that time of the year?

I dont know about Portugal, but dont come to England, the weather is crap:-)

[Camelopard]

I dont know about Portugal, but dont come to England, the weather is crap:-)

We are transiting through Heathrow, does that count? :)


Mind you the weather here is crap as well, summer has ended and it is raining lots!!

Not looking forward to spending so long on a plane, but that is the penalty for living in this part of the world.

[JRodrigues]

We are off to Portugal next week, a question for the Portuguese people on the forum, what sort of weather can we expect?

I realise that it should be spring but does it rain much in the Algarve at this time of the year?


We will get to Albufeira on the tuesday before the rally and don't intend going up for the special stage in Lisbon. Hopefully we will visit the shakedown.

Going down to Algarve on Tuesday as well, see the shakedown on Wednesday and maybe (I hope) enjoy some sun on the beach of Thursday :cool: I expect to be 20º maximum with low 10's at night..

[tfp]

We are transiting through Heathrow, does that count? :)


Mind you the weather here is crap as well, summer has ended and it is raining lots!!

Not looking forward to spending so long on a plane, but that is the penalty for living in this part of the world.

Good luck with Heathrow(Busiest airport in the world?), its like an indoor village in there:-)

As for your part of the world, I'd quite happily trade places:-)

Good luck with the journey mate!

[jbmarcus21]

Program, Timetable, Entrylist, Mobile Live Results and Google Earth Map next Rally event Portugal http://bit.ly/gLShc6

[tolis]

Does Rally Portugal counts also for the Portuguese championship(CPR)?

PS: 1000 posts!!! :)

[Camelopard]

Going down to Algarve on Tuesday as well, see the shakedown on Wednesday and maybe (I hope) enjoy some sun on the beach of Thursday :cool: I expect to be 20º maximum with low 10's at night..


Thanks for that, maybe we will meet somewhere on the rally!

[Barreis]

Can't wait for the rally.. :)

[OldF]

I’m waiting to see the S2000 Mini in action.

[JRodrigues]

Thanks for that, maybe we will meet somewhere on the rally!

This is the latest prediction for the next days. Hope the rain stops. It will make the terrain even tougher as it will sweep all the gravel from it.

http://localhostr.com/file/0s96LRC/Captura_%20-%202011-03-12%2013.54.17.PNG

[6789]

Thanks for that, maybe we will meet somewhere on the rally!

Are you going with Reeves or Taylor?

[RICARDO75]

Does Rally Portugal counts also for the Portuguese championship(CPR)?

PS: 1000 posts!!! :)

Unfortunatly, yes.
It's a very expensive rally for a national championship.
Only 2 or 3 registed drivers will be at the start

[tolis]

Unfortunatly, yes.
It's a very expensive rally for a national championship.
Only 2 or 3 registed drivers will be at the start
will it be for 3 or 2 days? Thanks Ricardo!

[Camelopard]

Are you going with Reeves or Taylor?

Unfortunately no.

We are going with Per Carlsson's Rally Travels.

[6789]

Unfortunately no.

We are going with Per Carlsson's Rally Travels.

Cool. Well let me know how the tour goes :) . Have a great time

[Rallyper]

Unfortunately no.

We are going with Per Carlsson's Rally Travels.

See you then! I´m going with Per too! :wave:

[Barreis]

I'm waiting to see the gap between DS3 and fiesta on gravel after Mexico 'cos DS3WRC was really quicker on gravel..

[Francis44]

I am going aswell with some mates, Im very excited already, I just hope it dosen't rain because it gets really muddy.

Im curious to see what Armindo can do with the Mini, he has plenty of knowledge of the stages so even with a different restrictor I think he will be able to be within the top 8.

[Barreis]

That's for sure..

[RICARDO75]

will it be for 3 or 2 days? Thanks Ricardo!

3 days

There is also another entry list for class open but they will do only 6 stages

[Sardalense]

3 days

There is also another entry list for class open but they will do only 6 stages

3 stages! Almodovar 1, Vascão 1 and Loulé 1

[JRodrigues]

Weather forecast for the next days.. Sun is coming up :cool: :cool:

http://localhostr.com/file/MccNXIx/Captura_%20-%202011-03-14%2020.14.03.PNG

[bluuford]

Long term forecast tells that all kind of rain should end by Thursday afternoon (on Wednesday and Thursday there is a very slight chance of rain). It should be bone dry until at least next Wednesday. There is again slight chance of light rain on next Thursday.
It also gets slightly warmer from this Thursday and much warmer from Friday (approximately 20 degrees during the mid-day). Warm weather is most likely to continue until the beginning of the rally.Unfortunately my maps end with next Thusrday and I cannot tell more right now.

[ProRally]

Arrive in Faro wednesday morning, 3rd WRC event this year, after the cold in Sweden and warm Mexico, this will be in the middle ....

Looking forward to seeing the Mini in action, Fiesta and DS3 go well, lets see if Mini can match them....

[6789]

Arrive in Faro wednesday morning, 3rd WRC event this year, after the cold in Sweden and warm Mexico, this will be in the middle ....

Looking forward to seeing the Mini in action, Fiesta and DS3 go well, lets see if Mini can match them....
Its a Super Production Mini but?

How come you get to go to some many rallies? Wish i could

[Francis44]

Citroen is already in Portugal testing.

[ProRally]

Its a Super Production Mini but?

How come you get to go to some many rallies? Wish i could

Yes, it is Super Production Mini.... but still will be nice to see.

Maybe when we meet I tell you, but yes I do all the WRC events :D and lots of others too....

[6789]

Yes, it is Super Production Mini.... but still will be nice to see.

Maybe when we meet I tell you, but yes I do all the WRC events :D and lots of others too....

Yeah hopefully quiker then S2000's :)

Awesome, see you in Australia?

[Tom206wrc]

Can't wait for next week :bounce:

I hope Bruno Magalhaes will win S2000s :cool:

[millbrook]

Apparently Sousa will do some testing next monday somewhere in the Algarve.
Someone knows at what location that could be?

[HaCo]

The S2000's will be a good reference to the Mini, also to test the restrictor. Hope it's not too slow. At least there is Aroujo as reference, because I expect as much from Oliveira as last year. Hope there is no live stage, because he should watch first corner :p

[Mirek]

The S2000's will be a good reference to the Mini, also to test the restrictor. Hope it's not too slow. At least there is Aroujo as reference, because I expect as much from Oliveira as last year. Hope there is no live stage, because he should watch first corner :p

Is it already clear which size of restrictor does class 1 run in WRC events?

[HaCo]

If you ask for it I don't think so. :)

I tought I've read it here somewhere the super production restrictor was defined to 30mm for national events? I could be wrong, not good at numbers, but I do remember it was more restricted than the WRC 1.6T cars (weren't they 40mm?). However, if you think about the concept behind the WRC and SPWRC class, FIA wanted that you could easily adapt a SPWRC to WRC in WRC event, so my guess (logic) is no restrictor at all. But you're right: it's not clear. I could imagine troubles at scruteneering for the Mini's :(

Nobody in close contact with the Portugees team or Prodrive?

[Mirek]

You're right, it's 30 mm for regional events. But I can't see anywhere something valid for WRC events which have their own regulations.

[Rallytourist]

Plans to go to the test .

[go mads]

just been watching some youtube clips. can anyone tell me which ze [spectator area] is ourique with big jump.thanks.

[RICARDO75]

just been watching some youtube clips. can anyone tell me which ze [spectator area] is ourique with big jump.thanks.

I'm not shure but I think it´s the S.A. nº7. The other one it's at the end of stage in a very fast section and under the highway.

GPS: N 37º 26' 635" - W 08º 15' 437"

[JRodrigues]

Bad news on the weather report... Rain is expected from Thursday onwards :mad: :mad:

[RICARDO75]

Yes, probably. But until then the weather could change.

http://www.meteo.pt/pt/cidadeprev10dias.jsp

[Francis44]

According to the site Rain is not sure yet, let's hope for the best.

[Barreis]

New season is great for now..

Other than this rally are there any others rally in Portugal in this year...

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[bluuford]

According to the site Rain is not sure yet, let's hope for the best.

Well, looking the latest weather data..it looks that possibility that it is not going to rain is decreasing every day. The possibility of rain increases from Wednesday already and it should rain every day. But lets wait bit more detailed maps.They will come on Monady.

[Ondra WRC]

Video from Hayden Paddon test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV5x9CrauQ8&feature=feedu

[RICARDO75]

Weather in Lisbon
http://www.meteo.pt/pt/cidadeprev10dias.jsp?localID=11&cidadeID=12
Weather in Almodôvar
http://www.meteo.pt/pt/cidadeprev10dias.jsp?localID=2&cidadeID=51
Weather in Ourique
http://www.meteo.pt/pt/cidadeprev10dias.jsp?localID=2&cidadeID=60
Weather in Loulé
http://www.meteo.pt/pt/cidadeprev10dias.jsp?localID=8&cidadeID=137

[bluuford]

Livery for Egon Kaur (WRC Academy): http://www.ruudulipp.ee/egon-kauri-ja-mait-laidvee-voislusauto-esimesed-pildid.html
Looks nice :-)

[ProRally]

Livery for Egon Kaur (WRC Academy): http://www.ruudulipp.ee/egon-kauri-ja-mait-laidvee-voislusauto-esimesed-pildid.html
Looks nice :-)

Curious if they have free magazines with them to distribute in the service park :hot: :D :D :D

[tolis]

So, do the WRC Academy drivers drive only in the first 2 days?

[ProRally]

So, do the WRC Academy drivers drive only in the first 2 days?

Yes, only day 1 and 2, day 3 they have Academy (classroom stuff)....

[ProRally]

So, do the WRC Academy drivers drive only in the first 2 days?

Yes, only day 1 and 2, day 3 they have Academy (classroom stuff)....

[Barreis]

Can't wait for start..

[fastboy]

Can anyone tell me the frequency that broadcasts some of the rally.i can remember listening to some of the drivers end of stage interviews in english,the rest was in Portugese.

[Co-driven]

Today was the "official" test, right?

Does anyone has pictures?

[Sulland]

Livery for Egon Kaur (WRC Academy): http://www.ruudulipp.ee/egon-kauri-ja-mait-laidvee-voislusauto-esimesed-pildid.html
Looks nice :-)

Molly Taylor is probably impressed with the bunny spons !

[Andre Oliveira]

http://ww1.rtp.pt/wportal/sites/especiais/rali-portugal-2010/index.php

100.7 e 101.9 FM

[rbatista82]

First group of photos from the Monday Test!

http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=221

http://www.supermotores.net/images/galeria/Monday%20Test19.jpg

[Sulland]

Will be very interesting to see the times of the SP Mini !

[Barreis]

+1

[Tom206wrc]

Mini or not Mini, Araujo or not Araujo, I wish the absolute best to Bruno Magalhes to WIN S2000 class :bounce: :up:

[gerardwrm]

http://www.vm-motorsport.nl/nl/nieuws.php?BasicNieuwsItemID=728

[dimviii]

http://www.rallybuzz.com/bwrt-wrc-debut/

[mdesign]

Hi guys!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Z2FSFJefU&feature=player_embedded

Does anyone knows which stage was the water splash at second 46?

[6789]

iRally preview to Portugal, really interesting look at Latavala's incident in 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CgxLflTqoM&feature=feedu

[6789]

Hi guys!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Z2FSFJefU&feature=player_embedded

Does anyone knows which stage was the water splash at second 46?

Not much help but its days 2 or 3. Remember listening to the stage interview and Sordo mentions that the camera men are in a dangerous position

Edit - Look at the Ford WRC pics and it was day 2 last year. Hope you can find it, great jump with a water splash :)

[wwbroe]

As most of the time Colin having a clear vieuw concerning the rally, and interesting look on the Latvalla incident two years ago.

[Sardalense]

Hi guys!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Z2FSFJefU&feature=player_embedded

Does anyone knows which stage was the water splash at second 46?

It´s São Brás de Alportel, but the stage will not be used.

[6789]

Short video of Petter Solberg testing for Porto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xsy56i_wPc&feature=watch_response

Can't really tell alot from the footage

The following footage is better:

Block testing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBvIc1tEZxs&feature=feedu

Sousa testing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzFr6atN4w&feature=feedu

[mdesign]

@Sardalense: Thanks! It a shame this place will not be used this year.

Today, while going to work, I've passed by the SSS1 of Rally Portugal. There´s lot trucks and people, all putting together the track for the super special stage :D
Can't wait till tomorrow :D

[bluuford]

Guys, do not forget, shakedown is today.. 5 hours and 3 minutes from now...

[Barreis]

@Sardalense: Thanks! It a shame this place will not be used this year.

Today, while going to work, I've passed by the SSS1 of Rally Portugal. There´s lot trucks and people, all putting together the track for the super special stage :D
Can't wait till tomorrow :D

You're lucky..

[J.Lindstroem]

So the shakedown is today on the afternoon? Im not updated on the matter so why is that?

[bluuford]

So the shakedown is today on the afternoon? Im not updated on the matter so why is that?

Because they need to go to Lisboa to compete in SSS1 tomorrow and then come back to the south by Friday. And there is approximately 300km between Faro and Lisboa.. so, that is nearly 600km. Shakedown is going to begin soon..

[Mirek]

Driving 600 km for one spectator stage is nice way to keep cost down...

[bluuford]

yes.. at least the landscape is quite nice :-) And the weather will be ok as well.
During the shakedown we can expect sunny, but windy conditions (5-7 m/s).Temperature will be uncharacteristically low. By the beginning of the shake it should be near to 16 degrees. by the end it drops a few degrees.

The start of the rally might be very cold.. it was below +6 degrees tonight in rally region. By the start of first stage on Friday it might be only +10 degrees

[J.Lindstroem]

Because they need to go to Lisboa to compete in SSS1 tomorrow and then come back to the south by Friday. And there is approximately 300km between Faro and Lisboa.. so, that is nearly 600km. Shakedown is going to begin soon..

Ahh thank you for the answer! I have to say that is quite crazy to travel with all the teams, drivers, broadcast buses and everything to Lissboa for just
one stage.. I r remember that they did that in Argentina one year but that something went wrong with the flighs back and the whole first day was cancelled. It should also be very expensive, but maybe its worth it to have the opening stage in the capital.

[Roy]

Times of Shake down

http://www.acp-on-line.com/online11/pt/sk.html

Does Latvala cut the first time in SD? :crazy:

[Brother John]

Even now start stage times to find on www.wrc.com (http://www.wrc.com) ? :eek: Or do I missing something on http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/itinerary/ ? ;)

[J.Lindstroem]

I know that its just the shakedown and we should'nt draw any conclusions from it... But that is a good time from Araujo!!

[Brother John]

Times of Shake down

http://www.acp-on-line.com/online11/pt/sk.html

Does Latvala cut the first time in SD? :crazy:

Thanks for the link Roy.

[Luis Pacheco]

Driving 600 km for one spectator stage is nice way to keep cost down...

But nice a way for the organization to get money from Municipality of Lisbon.

[Brother John]

JM Latvala really good time on the shakedown, almost 11 sec. faster as Ogier.

[HFAlex]

did somebody roll??

[zajic]

Block crashed, medics on the scene. Info direct from SD.

[GINE]

any news? is the crew ok?

[Bobcat]

Yes, crew ok.

[wwbroe]

JM Latvala really good time on the shakedown, almost 11 sec. faster as Ogier.

I think that time of JML isn't correct, and the best time on shakedown is for Ogier, just in front of Loeb and JML.

[GINE]

nice!!!

[Brother John]

I think that time of JML isn't correct, and the best time on shakedown is for Ogier, just in front of Loeb and JML.

OK, time has been already changed on the website.

[chryby]

pictures from block´s crash:

http://www.rally-mania.cz/news.php?id=10795

[Luis Pacheco]

pictures from block´s crash:

http://www.rally-mania.cz/news.php?id=10795

Amazing! Tarabus rolled at the same place two years ago. The same rock and the same tree.

[fegh]

Hi guys, what is the restrictor size of Araujo's MINI ?

[Francis44]

Is the damage that severe?! Can he restart? I hope so, Block has not had much luck this year.

[Mirek]

Hi guys, what is the restrictor size of Araujo's MINI ?

According to JAM same as WRC - 33 mm.

[fegh]

thanks Mirek

[Mirek]

Semerád is again on DMack. He wasn't very satisfied with them after gravel test according to his press-release.

[Rallytourist]

A friend and MILBROOK informed me from there that the co driver is taken away .

[N.O.T]

once more the icecube shines with his time....

[Tom206wrc]

What about shakedown of other classes(S2000, R3, R2,...) :confused:

[Francis44]

Spectators on the spot were reporting a strong impact with 2 rolls, apparently the car was not that damaged but we all know a small broken roll cage pipe ends it all.

[J.Lindstroem]

Does anyone know if the shakedown has ended, or of they are still driving? Im waiting for some pics to come up now!

[Francis44]

Still about 20 minutes for the shakedown to finish.

[J.Lindstroem]

What are your thoughts about Araujos performance?

[Salist]

Photos from shakedown:
http://www.rvo.hu/sebastien-ogier-nyerte-a-shakedownt/

[jbmarcus21]

http://on.fb.me/eHpil7

[Salist]

Thanks Jeremie!

[RICARDO75]

Amazing! Tarabus rolled at the same place two years ago. The same rock and the same tree.

Is it realy on the same place Luis?
On the photo that are the ambulaces from INEM, it´s on S.A. 1 with a small tricky jump after that concrete wall

[Wasted Talent]

Photos from shakedown:
http://www.rvo.hu/sebastien-ogier-nyerte-a-shakedownt/

Just look at the amount of wheel travel with gravel setup for these WRCs now - especially the pic of Block's Fiesta - the wheel is almost lower than the sill. Just like a roadcar then.............

WT

[6789]

Full times from shake:

http://www.acp-on-line.com/online11/pt/sk.html

[tolis]

More pictures from shakedown: http://2011pord0.rallybel.be/#694.0

[6789]

Video from Shakedown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTD6lDmJOY4&feature=player_embedded#at=15

Ogier looking good if he can keep it on the road. Latvala and Petter look to be on the pace as well, tire wear will be the main issue for them

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_2351611025.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_ad1f278f91.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_253b1752cb.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_ed71e2a204.jpg

More photos from Portugal shake HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=842&fseason=2011) ;)

[Barreis]

Nice photos..

[Sulland]

Semerád is again on DMack. He wasn't very satisfied with them after gravel test according to his press-release.

I read something on DMack that they were really quick to develop new tires also to learn themselves.

What would the cost difference btw running DMack vs Michelins in Portugal for PWrc for instance?

[N.O.T]

very promising times by the mini....lets see how it goes in the real event....

[userwave]

i've said it once, i'll say it again, somebody needs to pull the carpet out from Ken Block before he kill's someone or himself.

he's a danger on the road.

[logic]

Let us not be so hard on him Solberg Crashed in a shakedown in Germany very heavy as well.

[TyPat107]

Let us not be so hard on him Solberg Crashed in a shakedown in Germany very heavy as well.

Logic, I am pretty sure a few people over on the specialstage forums would drop dead if they heard you wrote that. ;)

[logic]

Yeah i am sure! I am not a Ken Block fan , but i prefer every one to start the rally and have a fighting chance .

[WRCfan]

Video of Ken's accident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blYvzbd_y7I

[HarriK]

Is Ken able to start the rally?

Who's car parts are these: http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_f1f7814560.jpg

[Viking]

Start list SSS
http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/Handlers/fileHandler.ashx?path=%2fResourcesUser%2fDocumento s%2fQuadro_oficial_de_afixacao%2fStartListSSS.pdf&menuid=60

Friday
http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/Handlers/fileHandler.ashx?path=%2fResourcesUser%2fDocumento s%2fQuadro_oficial_de_afixacao%2fStartListSeccao2. pdf&menuid=60

[J.Lindstroem]

Is there a live coverage for this stage?

[euskalteam]

Is Ken able to start the rally?

Who's car parts are these: http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_f1f7814560.jpg

Seems fan car's parts, stardard bumpers I think...

[bluuford]

Video of Ken's accident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blYvzbd_y7I

From the Video, it looks like that there were not too heavy impacts. So, there is a hope that the car might be repaired. They had plenty of time.

[Iskald]

Yeah i am sure! I am not a Ken Block fan , but i prefer every one to start the rally and have a fighting chance .

In principle I do agree with you, we would like all cars to start the rally. But Ken Block will never have a fighting chance anyway, he is ok as an entertainer, but will never be a proper rally driver.

[Sulland]

In principle I do agree with you, we would like all cars to start the rally. But Ken Block will never have a fighting chance anyway, he is ok as an entertainer, but will never be a proper rally driver.

But as a door opener to the US for Rally, and WRC he could have a huge impact. He is there to have fun, and do as well as he can. His goal is points in each rally he told Motorsport News in an Interview, and that is a reachable goal, if he stays on the road.....

[Sulland]

According to JAM same as WRC - 33 mm.

But I thought 30 mm was the size for SP, and that is the only one homologated is it not ?

[JAM]

What are your thoughts about Araujos performance?

No Toughts. That cars is an unknown world...

[JAM]

But I thought 30 mm was the size for SP, and that is the only one homologated is it not ?

The smaller restrictor is only for the regional championships.

The cars is basicly a WRC with less 30 or 40kg (glass rear windows instead or acrilic) and a smaller wing. On the tarmac trllyes, but only on tarmac, the front brakes are diferent (i think in terms of cooling)

[Mirek]

30 kg for glass windows? I don't think so :) Afaik weight difference of glass and makrolon windows in Fabia S2000 is 4 kg.

[JAM]

30 kg for glass windows? I don't think so :) Afaik weight difference of glass and makrolon windows in Fabia S2000 is 4 kg.

I must admit that neither I believe on the 30 or 40kg... but these values were told to me at least 2 times :)

[JAM]

Is there a live coverage for this stage?

Quinta-Feira
17:00 na RTP2 (Super-Especial Lisboa)
00:45 na RTPN (Daily report)

Sexta-Feira
00:45 na RTPN (Daily Report)

Sábado
10:20 na RTP1 (Almodovar 1)
14:00 na RTP2 (Almodovar 2)

Domingo
08:30 na RTPN (Silves 1)
14:00 na RTP1 (Power Stage)

Link to RTP 1 Stream (http://www.tvtuga.com/rtp-1/)
Link to RTP 2 Stream (http://www.tvtuga.com/rtp-2/)
Link to RTPN Stream (http://www.tvtuga.com/rtp-n/)

[rage82]

Thanks for the links JAM; :)

Ken will not compete in Portugal unfornately :(
http://wrc.com/news/block-a-non-starter-in-portugal/?fid=14363

[Barreis]

+1

[Sulland]

The smaller restrictor is only for the regional championships.

The cars is basicly a WRC with less 30 or 40kg (glass rear windows instead or acrilic) and a smaller wing. On the tarmac trllyes, but only on tarmac, the front brakes are diferent (i think in terms of cooling)

Wow, so that is what it ended up with, no engine difference btw a WR Car and a SP used in a WRC round ?
Is this confirmed, and everyone agree ?

[nzabevAMSM]

Are these times in portugal times or in CET?

[N.O.T]

Portugal times.

[nzabevAMSM]

Portugal times.

Thanks

[Datto1600]

Block will not be starting the rally....

[J.Lindstroem]

Im sorry about Block... but for me it doesn't matter if he is in or not.

[tolis]

Ken Block, Rami Daoud Jaber, Rene Kuipers, Sébastien Chardonnet, Philipp Knof are the non-starters.

[OldF]

Wow, so that is what it ended up with, no engine difference btw a WR Car and a SP used in a WRC round ?
Is this confirmed, and everyone agree ?

It was Mirek that started asking this some time ago maybe because there’s only one set of specific regulations for both S2000 and WRC cars (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/EB85426AC69EDFF5C125784D005EE146/$FILE/255A%20%2811-12%29-080311.pdf) and there's only the 33 mm restrictor is mentioned (page 3). I haven’t seen any confirmation about this.

And then there is the press release from FIA 11.2.2011 that “suggest” that also.

“Following a fax vote by the members of the World Motor Sport Council, the regulation (Article 255A, Appendix J, 5.1.1.b) relating to the size of the restrictor in the 1.6 litre turbo-charged Super 2000 car has been confirmed as 30mm. This applies to all such cars competing in 2011 FIA Regional Rally Championship events.

This regulation is intended to balance the performance of cars powered by 2 litre normally-aspirated engines and 1.6 litre turbo-charged cars.”

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2011/Pages/fia-regional-rally.aspx


But how about next year if there’s SWRC for S2000 NA and SP (30 mm restrictor). Are there going to be class 1 cars with different restrictor sizes in WRC rounds?

[J.Lindstroem]

Ok this might be considered as a stupid question but i have to ask since i am confused about this. If the Super Production car and the Wrc car has the same engine spec, why does the SP car even exist? Why isn't it called Wrc car? Just because the rear wing ans something more? And what class is Araujo driving? The Wrc class then? I thought he was driving in the S2000 class.

I dont understand anyting right now.

[JAM]

Ok this might be considered as a stupid question but i have to ask since i am confused about this. If the Super Production car and the Wrc car has the same engine spec, why does the SP car even exist? Why isn't it called Wrc car? Just because the rear wing ans something more? And what class is Araujo driving? The Wrc class then? I thought he was driving in the S2000 class.

I dont understand anyting right now.

Armindo is on Classe 1...

Is the same situation of call a "S2000" to a car that as a 1600 Turbo engine. Completely non-sense.

By the way, "SP" is a label from Prodrive, is not oficial. The oficial is "S2000"... but now they have "S2000 WRC" and "S2000 Regional" :D

[dimviii]

even rally fans are confused....congrats to Fia for spreading the wrc spirit.

[OldF]

Ok this might be considered as a stupid question but i have to ask since i am confused about this. If the Super Production car and the Wrc car has the same engine spec, why does the SP car even exist? Why isn't it called Wrc car? Just because the rear wing ans something more? And what class is Araujo driving? The Wrc class then? I thought he was driving in the S2000 class.

I dont understand anyting right now.

By the entry list Araujo and Oliveira are in class 1.

http://www.rallydeportugal.pt/content.aspx?menuid=53

The basic idea with all this is that a driver can use the same car, with minor changes, in both WRC and regional rounds. But why allow a 33 mm restrictor for the S2000 1.6T (class 1) cars in WRC rounds I don’t understand.

[Sulland]

Armindo is on Classe 1...

Is the same situation of call a "S2000" to a car that as a 1600 Turbo engine. Completely non-sense.

By the way, "SP" is a label from Prodrive, is not oficial. The oficial is "S2000"... but now they have "S2000 WRC" and "S2000 Regional" :D

Yes calling a 1600 car S2000, that already is a class and where the 2000 figure direct goes towards the cylinder volume is not logical at all !!

But now it seems we have 3 cars specs with 1600T engine

WRC: all singing all dancing 1600T engine, S2000 based chassis
S2000 WRC: WRC engine with 33 mm restrictor, but small spoiler and small breaks
S2000 Regional: 30 mm restrictor, small spoiler and small breaks

And none of the last two have recieved a name from either FIA or producers, apart from Mini.

If a guy want to drive one WRC round with his regional car, without changing a bit on the car - what class would he drive in in WRC ?

[J.Lindstroem]

The whole thing is so complicated. Its bizarre! I never thought it could be this strange. When i heard about the rule changes a thought great now we have turbucharged 1600cc engines for the Wrc class, and 2000cc non turbo engines for the S2000 class. End of discussion, but clearly things cant just be that simple? Why is that?

[PLuto]

Start lists for today:

http://rally-base.com/2011/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=79
http://rally-base.com/2011/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/start-list/?startTimeTypeId=80

[uranium]

Why Hirvonen is starting first?
What is rule for that order?

[J.Lindstroem]

Why Hirvonen is starting first?
What is rule for that order?

Its because he is leading the championship!

[Mirek]

Because he is leader of the championship.

[Hartusvuori]

David Lapworth on the differences between Mini SP and Mini WRC:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90139

[darkstar]

very interesting what lapworth is saying. so 0,5 to 1 second slower then the wrc will be. araujo 10 seconds slower on the shakedown then the fastest wrc, on 5,8 km. so almost 2 seconds slower per km then fastest wrc. this should mean mini wrc is around 1 second per km slower then ford and citroen, if araujo would be as good as ogier, latvala etc. it doesnt seem to look too extremely bad then i guess...

[JAM]

Lisbon Super-special recce :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYRlhaJB3F8

[J.Lindstroem]

Its so funny with all this marketing things the drivers have to do. Golfcars, how sweet! :D

[Co-driven]

Please, someone can post a link to that website in which we can see stage times and the driver's comments in English and Czech?

[uranium]

http://wrc.com/results/2011/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/

This one?

[rage82]

Guys the link for RTP 2 streaming didn't work for me. Can somebody post any other working link, please? I have tried 2 or 3 other sites wits same result stucking on connecting. Thanks

[Ondra WRC]

Please, someone can post a link to that website in which we can see stage times and the driver's comments in English and Czech?
http://vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=3 or http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php

[Co-driven]

Thank sbrytskyy and Ondra WRC.

Just found it too: http://vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=3

[Brother John]

Guys the link for RTP 2 streaming didn't work for me. Can somebody post any other working link, please? I have tried 2 or 3 other sites wits same result stucking on connecting. Thanks

I try also but din´d work, maybe only the wrc cars at 5 pm ?

[Ondra WRC]

Live: http://www.rtp.pt/play/?tv=2#/?tv%3D64%26fbtitle%3DRTP%20Play%20-%20RTP%20N%2C%20emiss%C3%A3o%20online%20em%20diret o%26fbimg%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fimg0.rtp.pt%2Fmultimediah tml%2Flogs%2FRTPN.jpg%26fburl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Frtp.p t%2Fplay%2F%3Ftv%3D64

[MartijnS]

Thanks!

[N.O.T]

any link for 3rd world countries ??? it just reloading endlessly when i open it.....

[MartijnS]

I saw a few rallycars, but they are gone now ;) Not working anymore i guess.

[N.O.T]

ah..so its not a regional problem.

[darkstar]

at the moment there´s some news...

[MartijnS]

Yes, but i don't think it links to RTP2, but to RTP N or something, 2 doesnt seem to work.

[darkstar]

ah ok youre right, there´s the rtpn logo...funny, at the moment they show merkel.

[Brother John]

Live: http://www.rtp.pt/play/?tv=2#/?tv%3D64%26fbtitle%3DRTP%20Play%20-%20RTP%20N%2C%20emiss%C3%A3o%20online%20em%20diret o%26fbimg%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fimg0.rtp.pt%2Fmultimediah tml%2Flogs%2FRTPN.jpg%26fburl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Frtp.p t%2Fplay%2F%3Ftv%3D64

Thanks

[pantealex]

Lemes is fastest Academy driver in SS1

[Brother John]

Local time is 16:28 and they send live rally 17:00 :p :

http://www.rtp.pt/play/?tv=2#/?tv%253D64%2526fbtitle%253DRTP%20Play%20-%20RTP%20N%252C%20emiss%C3%A3o%20online%20em%20dir eto%2526fbimg%253Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fimg0.rtp.pt%2 52Fmultimediahtml%252Flogs%252FRTPN.jpg%2526fburl% 253Dhttp%253A%252F%252Frtp.pt%252Fplay%252F%253Ftv %253D64

[Motorsportfun]

The SS1 will be broadcasted by RTP1 (Portugal's BBC One, well done organizers!) in 20 minutes-time!

[pino]

The SS1 will be broadcasted by RTP1 (Portugal's BBC One, well done organizers!) in 20 minutes-time!

Is the link the same as posted above ? ;)

[Motorsportfun]

Is the link the same as posted above ? ;)

Yes ;)

[pino]

Yes ;)

Confident about Crugnola ? ;)

[noel157]

1 min to go, better be a good link boys :)

[noel157]

The news!

[dimviii]

Saliuk already with problem?

[KKS]

Saliuk already with problem?

It's a national ukrainian game. Make everything to be as much down at leader-board as you can, but at next day's grove up and set best times with head held high. ))))

[noel157]

Presume the feed isn't working? Outside Portugal anyway. We got news and a game show.

[rage82]

No working stream for RTP2, RTP1 and RTPN working perfectly. Damn. Any suggestions?

[noel157]

A plane to Lisbon?

[mousti]

Presume the feed isn't working? Outside Portugal anyway. We got news and a game show.
Yep :@

[pino]

No working for me neither :(

[mousti]

No working for me neither :(
We need a good portugese proxy :-/

[wwbroe]

Bernard Ten Brinke fastest time for the moment.

[Gard]

Mini in the lead

[rage82]

1 sec. faster than fiesta wrc :)

[Moriarty]

Bernard Ten Brinke fastest time for the moment.
Who is this?

[wwbroe]

He is former champion of the Netherlands, before he was in Focus WRC, since beginning of this year he is driving Skoda Fabia S2000.

[mousti]

Who is this?
Dutch rich guy who raced a bit on circuit first and now it's he's 3rd or 4rd year I think his rallying, former Dutch Rally champion

[wwbroe]

Frederico Villagra fastest around now, big guns are coming.

[Motorsportfun]

Anyone has a working streaming link pls?

[wwbroe]

Ostberg has lost a wheel? Is it the sparewheel or what is happening?

[J.Lindstroem]

They didnt know if it was the sparewheel from uinderneath the car or i of was just a tire from the safety wall..

[wwbroe]

He hit a concrete block and seems the wheel just came off?

[CABAIO E'LONA]

Ostberg lost a wheel

[wwbroe]

Petter fastest trough for the moment.

[wwbroe]

Mads Ostberg is loosing 1min50 in this stage with the wheelproblem.

[N.O.T]

no stream outside portugal....

Icecube will have an epic fight with icecream team and slowson....cannot wait.

[wwbroe]

Iceman is slower the the ice-cream man. :D

[J.Lindstroem]

Ah okay yeah they are saying that now..

[CABAIO E'LONA]

scary start for Mads ...

[J.Lindstroem]

Stupid misstake!

[N.O.T]

only hirvonen and loeb left now....