R1

[Gordini]

See that R1 is much discussed on another place, and see it need its own.
Is it other countries that will have R1 cars running in 2011? Looks like a good beginner class to learn carhandeling in.
Will more cars than the twingo come soon?

[Sulland]

Not sure, but there is a market for simple cars, that are cheap to buy and maintain. Will be interesting to follow the French cup for R classes, and see the speed differences btw them. The R1 might surprise us, and 20 000 Euro for a brand new rallycar is not bad !

[Sulland]

Impressed by the R1 Twingo in Monte, he made it to the finish !

[Mirek]

R1 is almost same car as N1. Although it's cheap to run, You can see very few such cars in national championships and I don't think it will change.

[Barreis]

Does it have sequential gearbox?

[Mirek]

No, stock synchronized gearbox.

[Sulland]

R1 is in my head a cheap entry to the sport. And pricewise the alternative is an old car in a National class or a VOC, where you spend more time in the garage than driving it.
R1 is a new modern reliable car that is a L car, and I am sure R1 drivers have fun fighting it out with other R1s, and I am sure for many a R1 is more than enough to handle.

If you know and can handle the R1 100%, that is a good basis to jump to R2. But you need the fighting btw the other R1s to have fun, otherwise you are only last....

[mm1]

If you want to get somewhere in this sport, I don`t think there is enough time to climb all clases, so a R2 for starters is a better option, it`s not that much more expensive, and you can upgrade it to a Max spec. (Citroen C2R2) for the next year.

[Sulland]

There is of course a money question here as well, and an well used 2005 C2R2 will cost from 25 000 euro, and I have seen a little used R1 from 13 000 as far as I remember, but there are few of them yet. But in 2011 France and also Poland will run R1 Trophys, so in 2012 they will come out in the 2nd hand market.

R class prices stolen from the R-class news thread;
R1:

The Renault Twingo R1 kit costs 9.500 €.


R2:

Renault Twingo R2 kit: 27990 €

http://www.renault-sport.com/en/rall...ws=124296.html


Ford Fiesta R2 ready to run: 40.655 € (The price is from the Finnish magazine VM)


Citroen C2 R2: Tarmac kit: 18.400 € Gravel kit: 19.300 €

http://www.piecescitroensport.citroe...R2complet1.pdf

Citroen C2 R2MAX: Tarmac & gravel kit: 34.000 €

http://www.piecescitroensport.citroe...AXcomplet1.pdf


R3:

Renault Clio R3 Maxi kit: 52.000 €
“Standard part” kit: 7.800 €
“Off-road” kit: 8.200 €

http://www.renault-sport.com/en/rall...io_r3_maxi.php


Honda Civic Type R: The kit installed into the donor car, which is not included in the price, 95.000 €.

http://www.jasmotorsport.com/Pdf/188.pdf


R3T:

Citroen DS3 R3T kit: 62.000 €

http://www.piecescitroensport.citroe...alisation1.pdf


Note that a “kit” doesn’t include the donor car or assembly of the kit.

As you can see it’s little bit difficult to compare the prices because they include different things. Usually there are also some kinds of options and add-ons which increase the basic price.

[br21]

I don't think there will be Twingo R1 cup in Poland in 2011, it seems to be too expensive. With Twingo R1 you have almost standard car, standard engine, standard synchro gearbox without LSD (just different final drive), no rear dampers in kit. So it's completely not competitive with almost any other cars. It makes sense just when you have cup with many cars running. Also no kit for gravel available. Kit price is 9500euro without tax plus donor car, plus building a car... 25k euro at least to have it properly done... Generally the idea is good but only when you have cup with many cars (and on good roads as rallying with standard rear suspension on fast and bumpy tarmac could be really dangerous).

[Sulland]

Do anyone know how many R1 kits that have been sold to date ?

[OldF]

Fiesta now as a R1 also.

MaxRally | News | M-Sport’s high five for the Fiesta (http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/m-sports_high_five_for_the_fiesta/)

[Bobcat]

Welcome to Fiesta MS1 (http://www.fiestams1.com/)

[OldF]

Fiesta R1 kit: 7500 £ + vat = 8436 €. GPB is getteing closer to the euro all the time. Last time I looked it was 0,87, now it’s 0,89.

WRCgerardquinn (http://twitter.com/#%21/WRCgerardquinn) Gerard Quinn
Ideal starter rally car. Find a Fiesta donor car, add the M-Sport kit for £7.5K +VAT and off you go.....simple Ideal starter rally car. Find a Fiesta donor car, add the M-S... on Twitpic (http://twitpic.com/5n2lk2)

[Tom206wrc]

28 Twingo R1 at the rally du Rouergue this week-end :PP
But one favourite though: Quentin Gilbert ;)

[Sulland]

The Twingo R1 is getting a bit more all-round when the UK cup tuners Monster Sport Europe are 'making' a gravel version of it:


29/22/2011 Monster Sport Europe Ltd appointed UK Renault Sport dealers - Twingo Renaultsport Trophies UK (http://www.twingotrophy.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/official-news/69-successful-gravel-test-for-twingo-r1http://www.twingotrophy.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/official-news/70-monster-sport-europe-ltd-appointed-uk-renault-sport-dealers)


Will be interesting to see how that one matches the Fiesta R1 !

[Tom206wrc]

Rumour of Citroën developping a DS3 R1 for 2012 :confused:

[OldF]

Citroen has now homologated a DS3 R1B.

Homologations (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/Pages/Homologations.aspx) (List of Homologation valid as from 01.03.2012)

[Gordini]

And the Fiesta R1 is also homologated from 1 march 12.
3 R1 choices.

[Sulland]

Is there tech info and other info in the Citroen DS3 R1 ?


Norways first R1, a Fiesta owned by Martin Schanche Jr will debut on gravel in Rally Sørland 5 may, driven by Anders Kjær. Will be interesting to compare the times to the rest of the field, and to get info on cost on a R1 build by the owners team.

[aykutbilir]

Citroen has now homologated a DS3 R1B.

Homologations (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/Pages/Homologations.aspx) (List of Homologation valid as from 01.03.2012)

Strange choice for Citroen to add DS3 R1 with Vti 120 hp engine.

[Sulland]

Strange choice for Citroen to add DS3 R1 with Vti 120 hp engine.

The next one up with THP155 has a turbo.

[tolis]

Quentin Gilbert tested the DS3 R1

http://www.rallye-addict.com/Rallye/Albums_Photo_2012/Pages/Tests_Citroen_DS3_R1_files/Quentin%20Gilbert19.jpg

[Sulland]

Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?twu=1?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.actumecanique.fr/spip.php%3Farticle1814)
comments on the test.

Do,we know price and specs on this one ?

[Sulland]

Congrats to Steve Røkland on class win on Pirelli Rally. This even if he drove many ss with a very squized exhaust system that had to be replaced with a spare from M-Sport HQ.

[Sulland]

Been out watching Rally Sørland this weekend.
Wow I am impressed by the debut of the Fiesta R1 driven by Anders Kjær.

Number 16 after day 1, up to 14 during first stages day 2, ending up with an splendid 19th at the end.

Check times and competition here; Live Timing (http://www.vola-racing.com/rallypro/Kristiansand/)

[Tom206wrc]

Quentin Gilbert tested the DS3 R1

http://www.rallye-addict.com/Rallye/Albums_Photo_2012/Pages/Tests_Citroen_DS3_R1_files/Quentin%20Gilbert19.jpg


Interesting that Gilbert was chosen by Citroën as test driver: it shows how the make is confident in him...maybe the "next Ogier" ??? :)

[Sulland]

Is there a price out for the DS3 R1 ?

What is the price for used Twingos in France (biggest market) and other places ?

[tolis]

Interesting that Gilbert was chosen by Citroën as test driver: it shows how the make is confident in him...maybe the "next Ogier" ??? :)
His name is not "Seb"!!! :D

[Sulland]

Impressed by the R1 on gravel. With a good driver it went like a train on gravel, and came 19th total.

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p480x480/554394_336613993072629_546243470_n.jpg

The car is made for rental by people that just want to test rally, to check if they like it before buying a car. Smart system!!

Wondering about the strength btw the ford and the renault R1s, but the ford looked good And easy to drive I must say.

[Gordini]

Will it come 208 R1?

[titi_62]

Only a 208 R2 and a 208 R are announced. They shouldn't develop a 208 R1 because there is already a DS3 R1.

[Mirek]

That's no problem. They already admitted they would do both 208 and DS3 R5. I think it's rather easy to use same technology in two different bodyshells and for many reasons it makes sense to keep both brands in.

[Gordini]

Agree with you. Saves money.

[Sulland]

Have anyone competed in a R1 DS3 yet ?

[Tom206wrc]

Have anyone competed in a R1 DS3 yet ?


The Rallye-Jeunes Yann Bergues and Jérémy Beaux are running in it this season ;)
But they lack of experience compared to the drivers of the Twingo R1 Trophy :mark:
Thus at Rallye du Rouergues, Sébastien Chardonnet(promising young driver)drove one and before losing many times(mistake or puncture or mechanical??)and the times were really good: he fought with the Twingo/Junior trophy leaders :)

[Sulland]

Info from Toyota on the Yaris R1A:
Toyota Motorsport GmbH - TMG launches Yaris R1A (http://www.toyota-motorsport.com/en/latest-information-archive-en/266-tmg-launches-yaris-r1a)

[tolis]

Onboard with Toyota Yaris R1A: On-board the all-new TMG Toyota Yaris R1A rally - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIMDABiomc8)

[Sulland]

How many hp and nm can we expect from the Yaris 1400 ?

[Adler]

How many hp and nm can we expect from the Yaris 1400 ?

according rallye-magazin.de 99HP.

Yaris R1 dreht erste Testkilometer*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2012/07/24/yaris-r1-dreht-erste-testkilometer/index.html)

[Sulland]

Ok so Toyota uses the 1,33 vvt-i engine. That one has btw 98-100 hp depending on what source you use.

The Twingo has 133, as the original car, while the Fiesta has 120 hp in standard trim, and 130 in R1 trim.

What can be tweaked on a R1 inside the rules?

[Mirek]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/deu/yaris_r1a.jpg

[OldF]

From ”R-Classes news” thread.

http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/135772-r-classes-news-27.html#post1066569


R1T to be discussed by the FIA on 28th September I have heard.

1.4 turbo category. It will probably be strangled with a 29mm restrictor file:///C:/Users/Kenneth/AppData/Local/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_image001.gif

Could be some truth in this.

In the newest issue of “Vauhdin Maailma” Juuso Pykälistö tested the Fiesta R1 and in a side comment is written:

“It is already known that the FIA rules will allow the turbo engines also in R1 category. Ford's 1.0-liter turbocharged EcoBoost will probably been homologated soon as well, so more power to the cars are to be expected.”

Maybe 1,0 – 1,2 litre turbocharged cars in R2T with restrictor size x? As far as I know the 1,0 litre turboengine is available only with a Focus so far.

[dimviii]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/580425_4836826521784_314404039_n.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

I wonder what Citroën will do with the DS3 R1 in 2013 :confused: Like Renault, a separated cup(R3/R1)or only to sell them to the drivers who want it without promoting the model(except in the Rallye-Jeunes program) :confused:

[Gordini]

Are any nation planning Yaris R1 Cups for 2013? Links?

[Tom206wrc]

I didn't notice that at the Condroz this week-end Kevin Demaerschalk will drive a DS3 R1... ;)

[Sulland]

Are any nation planning Yaris R1 Cups for 2013? Links?

Some in Norwy are evaluating a Yaris cup for Jr drivers. No decicion yet.

[Mirek]

I didn't notice that at the Condroz this week-end Kevin Demaerschalk will drive a DS3 R1... ;)

And if I'm not mistaken Elfyn Evans will drive Fiesta R1 to make some competition ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Kevin Demaerschalk 60th at the Condroz and leading the R1s ;)
But can't see any other contenders on that class though :mark:

[mousti]

The other DS3 R1 was with a slow driver, and the Fiesta R1 got binned on SS4..

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/374816_4423936629406_965130920_n.jpg

Evans drove crazy, so no surprise..

[Georgi]

The other DS3 R1 was with a slow driver, and the Fiesta R1 got binned on SS4..


Evans drove crazy, so no surprise..

Whoa! This is a big accident from Evans.
Is there any video of this one or at this corner at least?

[dupanton]

I haven't saw any video's or action pics of the crash so far.
But were we (=Mousti and I) stood on SS1, he was the only one to take a very fast and very muddy left corner flat out! So no surprise it ended up badly :D

[Adler]

DS3 R1 test report from rallye-magazin.de Fahrbericht Citroën DS3 R1*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/int/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2012/11/06/citroen-ds3-r1/index.html)

there will be "Twingo R1 Deutschland Trophy" next year Twingo R1 Deutschland Trophy*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/dm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2012/10/18/neu-twingo-r1-deutschland-trophy/index.html)

[Tom206wrc]

No DS3 R1 cup in Poland next year, to replace the current C2 R2 ??? :confused:

[br21]

No DS3 R1 cup in Poland next year, to replace the current C2 R2 ??? :confused:

Nothing official yet. In Poland biggest problem is R1 cars almost stock suspension. With our very fast, and very bumpy tarmac stages it may be very dangerous...

[Georgi]

I think the suspension is the biggest issue of the R1 cars.
R1 is the absolute entry category into rallying and will be pretty much similar to the Saxo/106 ex-group N2.

Probably the Fiesta R1 is the best and the cheapest in this list so far. Elfyn Evans was much faster than the two DS3 R1 in Condroz despite the first time on this event for him.

[tommeke_B]

Much faster? Ok, on the 1st stage 4s, on the third stage 3s, on the second stage Demaerschalk-DS3 had a problem and lost a lot of time. But on the 4th stage Evans crashed the car already... Demaerschalk was driving the event for the third time, but it was his first event with a new codriver. You should not make a comparison between 2 cars based on one event where you have no comparison between the 2 drivers yet.

[Georgi]

Much faster? Ok, on the 1st stage 4s, on the third stage 3s, on the second stage Demaerschalk-DS3 had a problem and lost a lot of time. But on the 4th stage Evans crashed the car already... Demaerschalk was driving the event for the third time, but it was his first event with a new codriver. You should not make a comparison between 2 cars based on one event where you have no comparison between the 2 drivers yet.

Maybe my impression was from the times on stage 2. Didn't know that he had a problem there. What was his problem on SS2 BTW?

Actually I just saw that Demaerschalk did this rally last year with Peugeot 207 S2000 and finished 7th overall. Impressing! He is a young guy as well. Also this year he did many rallies in a DS3 R3T. Good experience.

Yes, Tommeke_B, Elfyn Evans was not much faster than the DS3 R1 drivers on this rally. He was simply faster on a rally where he debuted with a car that also debuted. On a rally like this one which is, let's say, <specific> the local knowledge of the roads + the participation from some previous editions is giving some advantage isn't it ? You know what to expect from the stages, know how to set up properly your car, tire choice, even the road conditions info from some friends on the stages...

Yes, it's crazy to make comparison from so little feedback. More rallies will give more information for the performance and the differences of the R1 cars. My mistake.

[Gordini]

What prices are on the different R1 cars. 1 ready to go, 2 selfbuilding?

[Mirek]

Citroën officially sells DS3 R1 only as complete car for 25 thousand Euro without VAT.

[Tom206wrc]

Citroën Switzerland will replace the current C2 trophy by a DS3 R1 trophy ;)

[PLuto]

I think most of Citroen dealers will do the same...

[Sulland]

So, what is the best and quickest R1 as of today in your opinion on:
1. Gravel
2. Asphalt
3. Allround

[Gordini]

Is Peugeot confirmed they are planning 208 R1?

[Sulland]

So, what is the best and quickest R1 as of today in your opinion on:
1. Gravel
2. Asphalt
3. Allround

DS3 is as far as I know just for asphalt right now, is there a plan for gravel kit for the Citroen?
Twingo has a UK developed gravel set, but not sure how good that one is. What does the UK drivers say?
Fiesta has M-Sport developed sets for both loose and hard surface.

So for people wanting to buy one tomorrow to use on all surfaces, the Fiesta seems like the best option. Do all agree on that?

[Tom206wrc]

Julius Tannert is another entrant of the Citroën DS3 R1 Cup in Germany... ;)

[M5]

When will the Opel Adam R1 be ready, and will it be for both gravel and tarmac?

[titi_62]

Opel Adam will be a R2 car ! ;)

[Tom206wrc]

8 youngsters at the wheels of DS3 R1s on five events of CIR in Italy ;)
CIR / Citroen, CSAI e Pirelli insieme per i giovani (http://www.rallyemotion.it/5638_cir-citroen-csai-pirelli-insieme-giovani/)

[Tom206wrc]

The 13 german crews discovered their toys this week-end :p :
GALERIEN*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/galerien/yag/582/ItemList/submitFilter/citroen-ds3-r1-trophy/bilder-marcel-weckheuer/index.html)

[Sulland]

Why no gravel suspension for the DS3 R1?

is it in the pipeline?

[Mirek]

I think that with R1 You can't modify stock suspension. You can change few minor things but nothing major. So it's more about the fact that suspension of stock cars is not suitable for gravel. That's no surprise considering how stock cars are used, isn't it?

[Rallyper]

So which brands have R1 cars or are planning?
The same with R2: s how many brands are currently producing R2: s? And are there more factories planning to do R2-models?

This should open new possibilies for young newcomers to do rallying in any country, and the national dealers to make good PR for their brand.

[BDuncan]

Good news.

[TheFlyingTuga]

So which brands have R1 cars or are planning?
The same with R2: s how many brands are currently producing R2: s? And are there more factories planning to do R2-models?

This should open new possibilies for young newcomers to do rallying in any country, and the national dealers to make good PR for their brand.

R1:

Renault Twingo, Citroen DS3, Toyota Yaris and Ford Fiesta
Planed: Peugeot 208 (it seems that they have been testing the R1 and R3 cars in Portugal last month)

R2:

Citroen C2, Renault Twingo, Skoda Fabia, Ford Fiesta
Planed: Updated version of the Fiesta, Opel Adam

Cheers

[Tom206wrc]

I have no news about any 208 R1 and R3(even in french forums) :confused:

[pantealex]

R2:

Citroen C2, Renault Twingo, Skoda Fabia, Ford Fiesta
Planed: Updated version of the Fiesta, Opel Adam

and Peugeot 208

[Mirek]

I think that with new model of Fabia in 2014 Škoda will introduce also in-house developed R2 car. Personally I expect it to be equipped with 1.2 or 1.4 TSI engine. Depends on how the future regulations will look like. There were also some rumors about VW Polo R2. Let's see.

[TheFlyingTuga]

I have no news about any 208 R1 and R3(even in french forums) :confused:

Here you go Tom
Fiesta R5 estreia-se no Rali de Portugal (http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4677:fiesta-r5-estreia-se-no-rali-de-portugal&catid=85:eventos&Itemid=147)

That's the article, but it's really a bit strange that cars where tested in here and not even a single photo poped up on the web!

Cheers

[OldF]

Why no gravel suspension for the DS3 R1?

is it in the pipeline?

And all they have to do is to homologate shock abrorbers for gravel because all the other suspension parts are original in R1. I looked at the technical specification (http://boutique.citroenracing.com/cms/web/upload/documentation/548/50893e69e2c1d.pdf) and the chock absorbers are non-adjustable.

[Mirek]

Are You sure they can homologate two different sets of shock absorbers?

[OldF]

It would be strange if FIA has created the R1 regulations only for tarmac. At least the specific regulations concerning the shocks are same for R1, R2 and R3.

[Rallyper]

So can anyone explain shortly the R1a/R1b regulations? Is there special gearbox, differential, engine data...etz?

[OldF]

R1A is up to 1400 cm3 and R1B is up to 1600 cm3. Otherwise the regulations are the same for both. R1 is almost a stanadard car and R2 and R3 are almost the same for the execption some small differncies in the suspension and bodywork regulations.


As I recall it it's a stanadard car except chocks and ECU.

[Rallyper]

R1A is up to 1400 cm3 and R1B is up to 1600 cm3. Otherwise the regulations are the same for both. R1 is almost a stanadard car and R2 and R3 are almost the same for the execption some small differncies in the suspension and bodywork regulations.


As I recall it it's a stanadard car except chocks and ECU.

What about gearbox in R1? Dogbox? Sequential?

[br21]

What about gearbox in R1? Dogbox? Sequential?

normal, standard gearbox, with shorter final drive. some time ago there was no LSD allowed, now I don't know.

[Sulland]

The Fiesta R1 comes with both Gravel and Tarmac kit. Renault UK have as far as I know made a Gravel kit also for the Twingo R1.

Details Fiesta: http://www.rsport.net.au/rsport-r1.pdf

[Rallyper]

normal, standard gearbox, with shorter final drive. some time ago there was no LSD allowed, now I don't know.

That´s a pity. Wouldn´t be so much more cost having adecent dog-box so that drivers can do left foot braking more properly... The learning should start even on this lowest level.

[Tom206wrc]

Sport - Oude bekende, nieuw gezicht en nieuwe auto bij Rallyteam Breda - Het Breda Nieuws (http://breda.nieuws.nl/sport/109384/oude_bekende,_nieuw_gezicht_en_nieuwe_auto_bij_ral lyteam_breda)

First Citroën DS3 R1 in the Netherlands :confused:

[Japé]

Does anyone has estimates how many R1 cars / kits have already been sold?

Or what is approximately the number of R1 cars in different European countries?

My current opinion is that R1 isn't coming to be popular in first wave, since with the price of a new R1 car, you still have too many cheaper and fascinating options on second hand rally cars markets.

[Mirek]

There are lots of them in France thanks to one-make cups but otherwise very few I think. Here in CZ it was only one Twingo last year. In 2013 few Citroën DS3 will join but I expect only two or three.

[MartijnS]

The DS3 R1 arrived in the Netherlands yesterday.

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/488039_507853552612314_620876998_n.jpg

[dupanton]

2 Twingo's in the first Rally of the Belgian Championship. I guess there will be some more in Belgium...

[Sulland]

We now have 3 R1 Fieata's, coming from http://www.facebook.com/JRSOLU?ref=stream&group_id=0

Martin Schanche Jr have set up a good system for people new to rally to be able to try i out in a R1!!

[Tom206wrc]

In Spain Enrique Garcia Ojeda(together with Citroën Espana) becomes a "teacher" for young drivers and will offer a DS3 R1 to the best of them this season...at least it's what I understood from spanish language :confused:

Source: AS

[Tom206wrc]

The DS3 R1 arrived in the Netherlands yesterday.

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/488039_507853552612314_620876998_n.jpg


Start at the Rallypro Circuit Short Rally this week-end, with Goska Lyszkowska at the wheels ;)

[Rasantes]

In Spain Enrique Garcia Ojeda(together with Citroën Espana) becomes a "teacher" for young drivers and will offer a DS3 R1 to the best of them this season...at least it's what I understood from spanish language :confused:

Source: AS

Home (http://www.rallystar.es/)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/21741_492567580804389_515407841_n.jpg

Promo video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPFy8EDbFjk

[Japé]

Have DS3 R1 got gravel suspension yet?

Are there any new manufacturers arriving to R1 or R2 scene?

There was nice picture from Yaris R1 in page 3, is Yaris R1 popular in any particular country? Have they done R2 version from Yaris at all?

[Mirek]

Is Yaris R1 already homologated?

[MartijnS]

Rolled!

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197278_516221575083333_1488924648_n.jpg

[EightGear]

Rolled!

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197278_516221575083333_1488924648_n.jpg

On a circuit....

[Sulland]

Is Yaris R1 already homologated?

Seems it was homologated 1st jan 13.
Toyota ​A 5745​ - YARIS (NSP130) – 1'333cc​
Début d'Homol. 01.01.2013​Fin : 2020


Have they sold any yet?

[Tom206wrc]

Next week is te second round of Citroën and Renault R1 trophies in Germany(Wikinger Rallye) ;)

[Racing Ka]

Fiesta R1 incar:
Talotekniikka 10 SM-ralli Ford Fiesta R1 ek6 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xxe853UwA0)

[Japé]

This thread has been quiet for a long time. Any news from R1 class / cars / championships?

[Jr.]

I have been running 2 Fiesta R1s for the better part of a year now, and the car is great. No issues beside occationally changing wheel bearings, the biggest problem beeing drivers that cant really drive.... Cheap cars to fix also...

The cars performs perfectly and has scored top 20 finishes in a +100 car field. Everyone says they feel like the cars handles on rails, the limit beeing themselves. We have had everyone from complete rookies to seasoned drivers competing in winter, gravel and tarmac events, and everyone cant stop telling us how great the car is.

Unfortunately finding sponsorship to host a cup with these R1 cars has not been successful, so for now we continue showing anyone interested how easy it can be to go rallying...

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[Jeppe]

Thank you Jr for very good update. I can confirm those comments also because I´ve had a ride with R1 here in Finland. It sure is ´easy´ to handle and cheap to maintain..

It looks like there is similar difficulties to find budgets all over the Nordic (at least). It´s a pity that people don´t believe those cars because they really could be a future for rallying in amateur level..

ps. I don´t see rails anywhere in the 3rd photo ;) ;)

[tommeke_B]

Thank you Jr for very good update. I can confirm those comments also because I´ve had a ride with R1 here in Finland. It sure is ´easy´ to handle and cheap to maintain..

It looks like there is similar difficulties to find budgets all over the Nordic (at least). It´s a pity that people don´t believe those cars because they really could be a future for rallying in amateur level..

ps. I don´t see rails anywhere in the 3rd photo ;) ;)

Let's say all over the world... :( It has always been difficult, but it's getting worse, companies are considering much more about what expenses they will do and what not. Still some people have it much easier to find budget, than others, not always directly related to talent (more about setting up a project and sell it, about business connections etc). In Belgium there are not many drivers interested in R1-cars. They prefer some older Saxo or Clio or something similar. The price to buy some R1 car is still high... Also with typical Belgian roads (with numerous junctions and long straights) the engine seems to be too weak to make it a competitive car. R2 on the other hand is running very well, also thanks to the junior championship and the support of local importers (Fiesta Trophy, 208 cup, support from Skoda and Renault).

[Sulland]

Jr Schanche is doing a tremendous job in getting new people in to try out the sport with the R1s in Norway !!
He is running a neat operation with 2x Fiesta R1 and 2x Fiesta R2 + some other cars. JrSolutions is quicly becoming the largest team in Norway. He has also done splendid work to get people into the national classes.

Sad thing if no firm see the benefit of sponsoring a R1 cup, because that has potential as more or less an "arrive and drive" option for people that cannot spend hours in a workshop fixing their own car.

Looking at their facbookpage ( https://www.facebook.com/JRSOL )their are expanding their workshop, and posting a lot of R5 pictures these days, so maybe we will see them running R5s in 2014. :s mokin: :D

[Gordini]

Did any country start R1 cup yet?

[Mirek]

It will be held in Czech rallysprint championship 2014. One cup for Fiesta R1 and one for DS3 R1 I think.

[vino_93]

In France, DS3 R1 for junior championship, and Twingo R1 in a French Cup Renault Challenge.

[Co-driven]

I think that in tje BRC there will be a class for R1 cars.

[Andre Oliveira]

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[Andre Oliveira]

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[Jarek Z]

Engine: turbo charged 999cc Ford EcoBoost
Horsepower: 150 HP at 5,750 RPM
Torque: 200Nm at 5,000 RPM

Prices:
the conversion kit is priced at €26,990.00 + VAT (not including donor car or wheels)
the fully-built, ready-to-race car is priced at €45,990.00 + VAT

Who's buying? :)

More details at:
https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/2019/06/11/INTRODUCING-THE-ALL-NEW-FORD-FIESTA-R1

Technical specification:
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/8fb932ef21e4f894b7a63ee24/files/7221426d-5e3d-430d-81a9-e5101cf2d590/R1_Technical_Specification.pdf

[Mirek]

Interesting. the car is much closer to the Adam Cup philosophy than the previous R1 cars since it has sequential gearbox and LSD. It's not cheap but it shall be also much quicker than the DS3 R1.

[Rally Power]

Interesting. the car is much closer to the Adam Cup philosophy than the previous R1 cars since it has sequential gearbox and LSD. It's not cheap but it shall be also much quicker than the DS3 R1.

It also seems pretty similar to the Fiesta R2J, still in use on the French Junior championship. Btw, sequential gearboxes were previously allowed in R1 or has the rule changed?

[Rally Power]

Checked elsewhere and apparently R1 rules got a huge change for 2019: only one class (no more A/B); more freedom on engine tuning and the use of not original (free in same cases) major components on the transmission, suspension and brakes. They’re now a sort of light R2.

Full FIA pdf download link: https://www.fia.com/file/75687/download/20698?token...

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/959533221104402/posts/1097492690641787?sfns=mo

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[Rally Power]

http://www.automobilsport.com/uploads/_neustart31/24october2019/clio-cup-rally.jpg

Renault Sport simply calls it ‘Clio Rally’ but as expected the new Clio is a R1 rally car, developed according to future Rally 5 regs. Despite the 1.3T engine, tech specs are quite similar to the Fiesta R1 (5speed sgb, lsd, +30cv,-30kg) for an announced price of 42.000€ (4k less than Fiesta). For now it seems RS will be pretty busy building new cars for their 3 cups (Rally, Racing, RX) but a R2 kit could soon follow (bolder rumours also mention a Rally 3 version?!?).

Brochure: https://www.renaultsport.com/IMG/pdf/clio_rally_rsr_en.pdf
Videoclip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdWKUtzgnY4


Edit: weigth difference is 50kg and not 30.