RBR Mod Free Championship-Round 1 Monte Carlo

[tannat]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/Monte.jpg

Monte Carlo Rally Info
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25-31 October 2010
RBR Mod Free Championship-Round 1

Rules
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Tyre choice is free for all stages
Pacenotes - Audio only, not visual
REDUCED Damage Setting
Gears-neutral lock and gear protection allowed
NO pacecar ghosts (see options menu) are allowed



Stages
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Day 1
SS1 - Cote D'Arbroz (France) - Good Weather- 4.5km
SS2 - Bisanne (France) - Good Weather - 5.6km
SS3 - Cote D'Arbroz II (France) -Good Weather- 4.3km

Day 2
SS4 - Joux Vert (France) - Good Weather - 7.9km
SS5 - Joux Plane (France) - Good Weather -11.1km
SS6 - Joux Vert II (France) - Bad Weather - 7.8km
SS7- Bisanne (France)- Bad Weather-5.6km

Day 3
SS8-Cote D'Arbroz (France) -Bad Weather-4.5km
SS9- Autiovaara (Finland)-Bad Weather-6.1km
SS10-Joux Plane (France)-Bad Weather-11.1km

Total Distance - 68.5 km

Submitting times
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Please submit times by PM to Tannat by midnight, October 31.

Videos and screenshots welcomed and encouraged...

Cheers, and good luck!

Tannat

[tannat]

Please let me know how you feel about the distance of thsi rally. Should future rallies be shorter? Longer?

I shamelessly used Bruce Ds' thread format for my own. You know what they say about imitation and flattery... (thanks Bruce :up: :D )

[lcd]

Good luck Tannat! Thread's format looking just great! ;)

[tannat]

Good luck Tannat! Thread's format looking just great! ;)


Thanks to Bruce :p

[tannat]

Tannat
USA
Citroen Xsara

ps29
UK
Peugeot 206

Macd
Scotland
Subaru '00


Frozzy
Scotland
Hyundai accent (?)


Neverknow
Estonia
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII


Neil J
England
Subaru Impreza `03


IronRooster
England
????????

[Neil J]

10 hot stages, oh I love those French stages, but not in the wet, it`s going to be tricky.
Good luck everyone !

[Frozzy]

will there be an official shakedown to participate in or is it just to run the stages with out one ?

[tannat]

Shakedown - Cote D'Arbroz II (France) -Bad Weather- 4.3km


Go for it!

[Bruce D]

Hehe, glad to see this is up and running Tannat. I don't understand people's need for a shakedown stage but anyway. This rally looks really tough and no Superrally makes it a killer.

[pettersolberg29]

I like this length of event for Monte Carlo as its a classic, but maybe future ones should be a bit shorter to encourage more people to do it.
I look forward to it after I finish the Gauteng Rally tonight.

[tannat]

2 56 96
2 59 39 spin, poor handbrake turn on hairpin
2 47 30 More like it :up:

[lcd]

...I don't understand people's need for a shakedown stage but anyway.

Maybe because It makes the pre-rally season more Interesting, than sitting and just wait for the rally to start!

[tannat]

Times received from Neil J-thanks!

I will open no PMs until I have completed the rally myself...

[Neil J]

My times are in but I feel I was slow, I started quick but made a few mistakes so took it steady to make sure I finished. The wet stages were hell, everytime I got some confidence and sped up I`d make a mistake and loose time so I just had to pace myself.

As slow as I might have been I reckon I beat Matt Wilson though ;)

[tannat]

As slow as I might have been I reckon I beat Matt Wilson though ;)

:laugh:

[Frozzy]

really tough rally i've yet to complete the last day but so far the rally has been terrible for me many gearbox problems means I had to crawl through most stages not wanting to record a DNF on the first rally of the championship

[tannat]

really tough rally i've yet to complete the last day but so far the rally has been terrible for me many gearbox problems means I had to crawl through most stages not wanting to record a DNF on the first rally of the championship

Do make it to the end, Frozzy..

As things currently stand you are in line for a podium (3 entrants :( )

[tannat]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/citroen.jpg

Tannat testing in the Citroen :up:

Where did I stuff the nose?

[pettersolberg29]

I'll be entering and will send in times probabaly Saturday eve.

[tannat]

I'll be entering and will send in times probabaly Saturday eve.


Great. Hopefully MacD and NKnow will show as well..

[MrMetro]

IronRooster
England
????????

I'll probably be able to do some rounds at the start of next year or even at the end of this, it's just that I've got a lot on my plate right now, plus, I'm relatively new to RBR, so I'm practicing, and getting used to the car handling and stages.

I wish you luck tannat in running this championship

[tannat]

I'll probably be able to do some rounds at the start of next year or even at the end of this, it's just that I've got a lot on my plate right now, plus, I'm relatively new to RBR, so I'm practicing, and getting used to the car handling and stages.

I wish you luck tannat in running this championship

Join in whenever it suits, IronRooster..

And regardless of your speed it would be great to have you :up:

[NeverKnow]

Finally managed to do some runs with the Mitsubishi. I haven't driven it , I can't even remember when was the last time I drove it. It really wasn't one of the favourite cars when RBR came out.
Compared to newer cars in RBR, the rear of the car moves alot more in the corners and slides very easily, even in the dry. Should be an interesting rally...
My times on the shakedown were:
2:40,80
2:40,62

[tannat]

Finally managed to do some runs with the Mitsubishi. I haven't driven it , I can't even remember when was the last time I drove it. It really wasn't one of the favourite cars when RBR came out.
Compared to newer cars in RBR, the rear of the car moves alot more in the corners and slides very easily, even in the dry. Should be an interesting rally...
My times on the shakedown were:
2:40,80
2:40,62

Glad you can participate, NKnow :up:

I agree-the behavior of the cars is quite different...

[Macd]

Should be competing in this one :)

[tannat]

Should be competing in this one :)


Also good to hear :up:

That should make 6-not bad...

[pettersolberg29]

Bad news - I will have it done but not before Monday due to lack of gamepad where I am (not using the keyboard!). If you can't wait then don't worry - I will try and use the keyboard just for a laugh. If you can wait I will send them to you on Tuesday.

[tannat]

Bad news - I will have it done but not before Monday due to lack of gamepad where I am (not using the keyboard!). If you can't wait then don't worry - I will try and use the keyboard just for a laugh. If you can wait I will send them to you on Tuesday.

I'll allow it.

Need to get accustomed to this new timing software from Bruce D...

[NeverKnow]

I have finished my rally and it was an eventful one. Wierdly enough majority of the incidents happened when the tarmac was dry. I guess I didn't push hard enough on wet asphalt.

SS1 and SS2 went without problems and set reasonable time on those.

SS3 started well but I had a trouble with one of the hairpins and got stuck. Took some time to get going again.

On SS4 I had a very scary experience. I think it was the first sector where there was a highpeed blind corner left. I took it too fast and ended with my right side wheels on the grass and the hairpin coming up. I tried to brake and keep the car stable. I somehow managed that but arrived at the hairpin backwards and stalled the engine. It took some time to restart the engine.
At downhill section I also managed to stall the engine in a hairpin.

On Joux Plane I did 360 in a downhill section, I think it's about 6k in. I just lost traction at the rear and spun. I think I didn't lose too much time there.

The rest of the rally was mostly incident free, just few sloppy hairpins. Unfortunately I finally got hang of taking the hairpins with the Mitsubishi near the end of the SS7, when the rally was pretty much over. Nevertheless it might come handy in the future rallies.

[NeverKnow]

Picture gallery (http://s274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/Mod%20Free%20Championship%20-%20Round%201/) and onboard from SS5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jlwV6o2vAY). I used RBRdll to get hud and the bloom effect when I recorded the replay.

About the rally length. Actually I would like even longer rallies (say 80 to 100km in length) but I guess most people prefer shorter rallies.

[tannat]

Thanks for the pix and video, NKnow :up:

Regarding length-RBR is a bit short on tarmac stages, although I certainly could have added one more tarmac and one more snow stage to break the 80km mark...

Gravel rallies will be a bit easier for a longer rally, and the next event will probably be close to, if not beyond 80 km...

[tannat]

I made a damper change from defaults to something more stiff and I feel much more confident with the Citroen...

It has mild understeer, easily provoked to oversteer with a slight tap of the handbrake.

The most challenging parts to drive are the very, very fast left to right or right to left transitions. I should be able to take these flat, but if I give the car too much steering input it spins...

Have to brake slightly before such turns to keep the car stable. Frustrating, but it keeps me in one piece and on the road.

[rallyrazz]

tannat, would it be OK if I do some rounds in this championship? I'm still pretty new to RBR, so I'm still learning the stages, but your championship sounds pretty cool

[Frozzy]

i cant wait for the first gravel rally of the season since tarmac is my worst surface to drive on i know i'll probally be last since i had absolutely no feeling with the hyundai going through corner it felt very squirmy and prone to spinning out on hairpins added to that the gears seem slow to change through back to reverse meant loads of lost time on some stages

[Macd]

NOt sure if i'll be able to do this one after all. :/
Whens the deadline?

[tannat]

PS29 had requested an extension til Tuesday-so deadline is Tuesday midnight, central standard time..

Rally razz-welcome aboard :up:

Let me know what you are driving, format (PC, Xbox, etc), and what type of controller you will be using..

[tannat]

Wrapping up my rally today-had a few spins on Joux Vert and Joux Plane-really hoped for a clean run :(

Waiting on times from PS29 and (hopefully) MacD

[rallyrazz]

Rally razz-welcome aboard :up:

Let me know what you are driving, format (PC, Xbox, etc), and what type of controller you will be using..

Cool, thanks! I'll be participating in Sweden, i'll let you know what format and car I'll be using in the thread for Sweden

[tannat]

Cool, thanks! I'll be participating in Sweden, i'll let you know what format and car I'll be using in the thread for Sweden

Sounds good. Thread will start November 15 :up:

[rallyrazz]

How do you take screenshots of replays? I tried using printscreen but all I got was a black image.

[tannat]

How do you take screenshots of replays? I tried using printscreen but all I got was a black image.

Are you using straight RBR or the rallyesim site mod (RSRBR)?

I took the shot earlier in this thread from RBR using replay with printscreen then pasted onto Microsoft Paint...

[rallyrazz]

I'm using the normal version of RBR, I try copying the image on to Word, but as I said before, i just get a black picture

[tannat]

Picture gallery (http://s274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/Mod%20Free%20Championship%20-%20Round%201/) and onboard from SS5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jlwV6o2vAY).

Finally took a close look at this video. It doesn't look as if yuo are braking much at all to slow down-just feathering the throttle. Is that correct, NeverKnow?

One of the benefits of a manual transmission. I need to make the swap...

[tannat]

I'm using the normal version of RBR, I try copying the image on to Word, but as I said before, i just get a black picture

Do you have microsoft paint? Try pasting in another program and see what you get...

[rallyrazz]

Do you have microsoft paint? Try pasting in another program and see what you get...

I'll try that sometime, cheers tannat

[tannat]

By the way, guys, although ther is still time to submit (midnight Eastern Standard) I have not heard from pettersolberg.

If he does not respond before the deadline i will report the results of four entries tomorrow...

[pettersolberg29]

Sorry for the delay. Rally complete - ok speed I think.

Tannat - do you want the split times, or just the stage times?

[NeverKnow]

How do you take screenshots of replays? I tried using printscreen but all I got was a black image.
I'm using Fraps to get images during the gameplay.

Finally took a close look at this video. It doesn't look as if yuo are braking much at all to slow down-just feathering the throttle...
That's a yes and no. Sometimes I only feather the throttle if the I know what is coming up (like on gravel or very slight high speed corner) or in some cases when I'm trying to be double sure that I can manage that corner. But mostly I'm also slightly using brakes to make sure that I'm not exceeding the grip level when entering a high speed corner. That is the habit I have from my previous wheel and I'm trying to quit it but it is going to take me some time till I finally get rid of it.

[pettersolberg29]

I have sent the times, including split times. I felt it was a good run with a PB on Joux Plane and Autiovaara although I have only completed Autiovaara twice so a PB isnt a great achievement! I will be away from my laptop until Friday so if I dont participate in any discussion or answer any questions - that's why.

[tannat]

Great-thanks PS29 :up:

Can't promise results today-will probably be tomorrow.

[Macd]

Cant do this one :/ sorry

[tannat]

Cant do this one :/ sorry

Hope to have you next time, MacD

[tannat]

Waiting to hear from a competitor on a time discrepancy...

[tannat]

Guys, I'll be posting results up through SS5 as I have no problems with those times.

From SS6 on there are two stages in question so I will hold resulst on those for the time being...

[tannat]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS1-1.jpg

[tannat]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS2-1.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS2post.jpg

[tannat]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS3-1.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS3post.jpg

[tannat]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS4-1.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS4post.jpg

[tannat]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS5-1.jpg

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS5post.jpg

[tannat]

As soon as I receive confirmation of some times I will post the rest.

The finish seems a bit predictable-OR IS IT??? :laugh:

[pettersolberg29]

I don't mind admitting its my results in question - I thought I'd post on here what I wrote in my PM to tannat so you know whats going on:

Basically I seem to be much faster in the wet on Joux Verte than in the dry, so I'm re-doing the stage to see if my original time was typed correctly, or if I misread the time. Sorry for the delay - been away on a Uni fieldtrip to the Isle of Wight - how thrilling...

[tannat]

I don't mind admitting its my results in question - I thought I'd post on here what I wrote in my PM to tannat so you know whats going on:

Basically I seem to be much faster in the wet on Joux Verte than in the dry, so I'm re-doing the stage to see if my original time was typed correctly, or if I misread the time. Sorry for the delay - been away on a Uni fieldtrip to the Isle of Wight - how thrilling...

Thanks, PS29.

Once all is clarified I'll post the remaining times.

I will always give anyone anonymity if I need futher details on their times. No need to have stones thrown by anyone...

[pettersolberg29]

I have re-done the stage and got a very similar time so it simply suggests that I am an odd driver! :) Just PM'd you tannat.

Thanks for giving anonymity - I just thought that this wasn't particularly serious and I know I'd be annoyed if I had to wait for someone else for this long so I let them know! ;)

[Frozzy]

ouch not too happy about how much time i lost on stage 3 8 minutes is a lot of time to lose to you other guys :-( oh well i hope I'm closer to Neil J times on the next rally

[tannat]

Okay-about to finish posting results. Apologies for the delay..

[tannat]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS6-1.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS6post.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS7-1.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS7post.jpg

[tannat]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS8-1.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS8post.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS9.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS9post.jpg

[tannat]

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS10.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/Finish.jpg

[tannat]

I'll do some summary tables asap, but NeverKnow and PS29 took all the stage wins, and PS29s otustanding time essentially sealed the fate on the rally.

For certain it was a tough route. I'm thinking Sweden (Finland) will be kinder to all.

I really wanted to do a nice commentary for the stage by stage results, but fear everyone has waited long enough. Next time..

Thanks to all of you for participating. Next round is Sweden (Finland stages) with the thread beginning November 16.

[tannat]

Made an error on posting times. Here are the overall standings post SS9


http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/tannatmadiran/SS9post-1.jpg

[tannat]

Driver's Championship

1-PS29-------------10 (1 win)
2-NeverKnow--------8
3-Tannat------------6
4-Neil J--------------5
5-Frozzy-------------4


Manufacturer's Championship

1-Peugeot----------10
2-Mitsubishi----------8
3-Citroen------------6
4-Subaru------------5
5-Hyundai-----------4

[Neil J]

ouch not too happy about how much time i lost on stage 3 8 minutes is a lot of time to lose to you other guys :-( oh well i hope I'm closer to Neil J times on the next rally

Thanks Frozzy that`s made my day :D
I`m sure you`ll do better on the next event. I`m really quite pleased with my times as I drove like a fanny, made loads of mistakes and simply couldn`t cope at speed in the wet. Looking forward to the next event . .

Well done everybody, and a big thanks to Tannant for his time and effort :)

[pettersolberg29]

Yep - thanks tannat for hosting. Look forward to round 2 in Sweden. Sorry for all the delays.

Very happy with the win - pace not great on dry tarmac, but somehow my practise on slippery tarmac has helped a lot. Literally cannot believe the time difference on SS6, but I re-did the stage to check the validity of my time and got a time within one second of it so I must have just got that stage down to a tee!
Well done for everyone taking part - hopefully at least 5 will enter every round. I certainly will be an ever-present, and hopefully wont be as late next time in sending in my times!

[tannat]

To all-I think the next round will run much more smoothly. This was my first run with the timing software :D