Smoking..

[BDunnell]

This was why I asked where you were as it differs area to area, if your local is some nice rural gastro pub then you'll probably not have noticed much change (maybe even miracle of miracles a slight increase) but if you live in area that used to be filled with small 'locals' then you will have noticed them being boarded up, pubs that have survived many a recession, world wars even but put out of business by meddling Labour busy bodies.

Time to turn the record off, I think.

The areas of Sheffield I know well have experienced no such downturn in pub fortunes, but I wouldn't be stupid enough to claim that this was a trend repeated everywhere in the country. Neither would I be stupid enough, incidentally, to claim that the busiest bit of all these pubs was the smoking area, given that these are pubs that exist rather than ones I have created in my mind to try and prove a point.

[Camelopard]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/09/3088666.htm?site=canberra

Excellent news, if I want to sit outside and enjoy my drink/food it is good to know that I now won't have to breathe foul cigarette smoke.

If smokers want to slowly kill themselves that is their business, just don't do it around people that don't want too breathe second hand smoke.

[ioan]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/09/3088666.htm?site=canberra

Excellent news, if I want to sit outside and enjoy my drink/food it is good to know that I now won't have to breathe foul cigarette smoke.

If smokers want to slowly kill themselves that is their business, just don't do it around people that don't want too breathe second hand smoke.

:up:

[Bolton Midnight]

Shame the smokers can't pile indoors whilst you're outdoors in'it

[Bolton Midnight]

What are you babbling on about?

No I don't own a pub but plenty of mates do, or a hospital either.

Wow it's official super models are all ugly because some liar from Cardiff says so, well fancy that.

[Drew]

In my experience the smoking ladies are often chav's and not so attractive, so you are welcome to them.



It definitely depends on what kind of place you go to. If there are chavs inside, there are going to be chavs smoking outside :p :

[Bolton Midnight]

So what type of establishment do you own that enables 'patients' to come and chat with you 'the owner' whilst you have a smoke outside? This is a serious question.

I see the insults are still flowing, but with respect please do not call me a liar. You have no grounds to call me this, and it really is unnecessary. I didn't state my previous statement as fact but purely an observation from my own experience. :)

Up to you to fathom out in'it

You were lying re decking some chav for putting a butt in your pint, no doubt you wanted to deck him but were too scared and it has clearly bugged you hence why you've invented this yarn about it.

[Dave B]

In the recent snow the little cafe in our local shopping centre still had outside tables so that the hardcore of smokers could sit out in the freezing weather shivering with a cigarette while their food got cold. I felt genuinely sorry for them that their addiction was that severe they'd subject themselves to that weather.

[Bolton Midnight]

Last night in fact I went out for a meal and two women on another table were eating with their children. In between courses the women were taking it in turn's to dash outside for a fag while the other watched the kids. I suppose these women fall into the second category I mentioned, and would probably support Bolton's strong pro smoking views had they been asked. I think now smoking in public has been made so inconvenient, its just become less popular. Its no bad thing IMO.. :)

And were they dog rough?

But for youngsters smoking is on the up so the ban has clearly failed to deter folk.

[Roamy]

I used to smoke cigarettes but quit many years ago. One good thing about cigars is that you smoke less and don't inhale unless you have iron lungs. I detest the smell of cigarette smoke and don't go around it much. I can't complain however because some hate cigars more. The other nice thing is I go days without smoking and plan my cigar breaks. However as I was chastised for condemning the "fat" family at the golf outing, I think in the open non smokers also have the responsibility to move away from the smoker they don't like. Meaning the non smoker is on the beach and demands the smoker moves off. Because of the laws the non smoker views themselves as having all the rights. And you know what I say to that !!! Pushing the envelope of freedom again and again.

[MrJan]

Never heard of a Raleigh Burner- Chipper, Tomahawk, Chopper and Grifter yes - seems like you've got a lot to learn about life in general, kids eh.

You get more and more interesting over time. Now I need to learn more about life because I can't name the full list of Raleigh bikes? You're doing fantastically well at making yourself seem like an idiot.

Oh and just incase you were wondering:
http://raleigh-bikes.net/models/raleigh-burner/attachment/raleigh-burner-1/

Learn something new every day, eh old man ;)

[henners88]

You were lying re decking some chav for putting a butt in your pint, no doubt you wanted to deck him but were too scared and it has clearly bugged you hence why you've invented this yarn about it.
You can't prove either way whether I was lying or not, you're just repeating it over and over because I haven't accepted your opinion as fact. You don't know me, you've never met me, you have no idea what I look like, and know nothing about my life. Stop TROLLING and stick to the topic rather than clinging to something you can't prove! And before you say it, I have nothing to prove to you.

[airshifter]

I used to smoke cigarettes but quit many years ago. One good thing about cigars is that you smoke less and don't inhale unless you have iron lungs. I detest the smell of cigarette smoke and don't go around it much. I can't complain however because some hate cigars more. The other nice thing is I go days without smoking and plan my cigar breaks. However as I was chastised for condemning the "fat" family at the golf outing, I think in the open non smokers also have the responsibility to move away from the smoker they don't like. Meaning the non smoker is on the beach and demands the smoker moves off. Because of the laws the non smoker views themselves as having all the rights. And you know what I say to that !!! Pushing the envelope of freedom again and again.

This is the point that bothers me, is that the government wants to create laws that favor one group over another in some cases.

Though I smoke, I was considerate of non smokers well before any laws existed. Even in my own car I won't smoke if non smokers are in the car and could have driven themselves. At any outdoor function I make a point to get clear of any non smokers if I want to smoke.


Here in Virginia the laws work differently. Bars must have non smoking sections that are well ventilated and isolated from smoke. Many bars have chosen to make this a very small area, which indicates to me that those owners would prefer a larger smoking section. Others that had small smoking sections before the laws just got rid of the smoking sections. This tells me that getting rid of it doesn't ensure the place closes down.

But in the long run what bothers me is that the government is forcing something upon an individual (or corporate) business owner. The choice should IMO be up to the owner of the establishment, with the only requirements being to properly post whether that establishment allows smoking or not.

But doing it that way wouldn't allow government to make decisions for us, and might prove or disprove some theories about why certain places are closing down.

[Retro Formula 1]

JD Wetherspoon pub chain announced that it would scale back its plans for expansion after a fall in lager and spirits sales, blaming the ban.

:confused:

I think you will find that JDW pioneered no smoking and banned smoking in their pubs up to 2 years before the legal reqyirement. The excuse they gave at the time was declining smoking numbers making no smoking pubs more attractive to their customers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4201053.stm

They also used the excuse of the smoking ban in Scotland for falling sales although it was a temporary blip that recovered.

JDW will use any excuse they can ;) I think the reason that skanky old boozers are going bust is because of the mass mobilisation of the population making it easier to centralise leisure and services. My local town has changed from being a shopping centre to an entertainment in the last 20 years. We still have some local pubs but mostly these days people go into town where we can have a choice of restaurants and nice, clean, enjoyable bars rather than grubby, insular, run down hovels.

Just as a lot of traditional grocers have been lost because of the rise of out of town supermarkets, so must the olt type of rubber dub change to attract clientele that can sustain them or go out of business.

I doubt that smoking has any effect on them at all but that's on my opinion and I'm usually wrong. :)

[Roamy]

This is the point that bothers me, is that the government wants to create laws that favor one group over another in some cases.

Though I smoke, I was considerate of non smokers well before any laws existed. Even in my own car I won't smoke if non smokers are in the car and could have driven themselves. At any outdoor function I make a point to get clear of any non smokers if I want to smoke.


Here in Virginia the laws work differently. Bars must have non smoking sections that are well ventilated and isolated from smoke. Many bars have chosen to make this a very small area, which indicates to me that those owners would prefer a larger smoking section. Others that had small smoking sections before the laws just got rid of the smoking sections. This tells me that getting rid of it doesn't ensure the place closes down.

But in the long run what bothers me is that the government is forcing something upon an individual (or corporate) business owner. The choice should IMO be up to the owner of the establishment, with the only requirements being to properly post whether that establishment allows smoking or not.

But doing it that way wouldn't allow government to make decisions for us, and might prove or disprove some theories about why certain places are closing down.

Absolutely correct. - Wouldn't it be nice if elected officials started getting rid of some laws before they make new ones.

[Bolton Midnight]

You get more and more interesting over time. Now I need to learn more about life because I can't name the full list of Raleigh bikes? You're doing fantastically well at making yourself seem like an idiot.

Oh and just incase you were wondering:
http://raleigh-bikes.net/models/raleigh-burner/attachment/raleigh-burner-1/

Learn something new every day, eh old man ;)

So it's a BMX copy, by the time BMX were the rage I was road legal.

When you grow old you learn stuff, see things for what they really are - when I was at school I had a hammer and sickle badge FFS, thankfully wised up though to realise that communism is inherently flawed.

[Bolton Midnight]

Link, proof?

On previous page, the cancer research link

graphs showing quite a few young groups have increased in smoking since the ban


I'm fairly sure there is no answer.

Fair enough, doesn't bother me either way you know, if it makes you feel better then I'm an unemployed lab beadle who misses his 60 a day.

[Bolton Midnight]

Absolutely correct. - Wouldn't it be nice if elected officials started getting rid of some laws before they make new ones.

A lot of them like to be 'all controlling' though they can not help themselves from interfering where it's not needed.

Thankfully though Labour have gone so hopefully there won't be more stupid infringements like hunting, windermere, smoking, right to roam rules etc.

Like the poster from Virginia said, let the landlord decide, I'm sure there would be a market for smoke free pubs and know damn well there would be for smoking pubs, those that flouted or got round the rules have all without exception boomed (well until the busy bodies stepped in of course).

Must admit I was surprised to see that re Witherspoons blaming the ban for cutting back expansion, as you say they were pro ban, even though all the morning alkies that go there stand outside smoking a hell of a lot.

[Bolton Midnight]

Just as a lot of traditional grocers have been lost because of the rise of out of town supermarkets, so must the olt type of rubber dub change to attract clientele that can sustain them or go out of business.



As a sole trader myself I try and use my local green grocer, butcher, book shop, electrical goods seller etc

As if we don't they will soon all die off, leaving us at the mercy of the likes of WalMart & Tesco.

[MrJan]

Thankfully though Labour have gone so hopefully there won't be more stupid infringements like hunting, windermere, smoking, right to roam rules etc.

You're still allowed to hunt, you just can't let the fox be ripped apart by a bunch of dogs.

[Bolton Midnight]

Do you actually believe that?

[MrJan]

Do you actually believe that?

Do I believe what? That Hunting with dogs is unlawful, or that it doesn't happen?

The Hunting Act 2004 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/37/contents) suggests that hunting a wild mammal with dogs is unlawful, however there is an exemption for "Stalking a wild mammal, or flushing it out of cover", although this limits it to 2 dogs.

I'm not anti-hunting BTW, I'm anti-bull**** reasons that people use to try and rationalise hunting. In truth people wanting hunting because they enjoy the piss up, the company and the adrenaline.

[Bolton Midnight]

As with so much of what Labour did it was badly thought out and poorly implemented not to mention a complete and utter waste of time and money (our money).

Yes of course they enjoy it, but like it or not it proves a valuable service to the community.

Re bull justifications try asking your average town dwelling 4x4 owner why they have one, always good for a giggle ditto why Boxster owners didn't go for a 911.

[MrJan]

Yes of course they enjoy it, but like it or not it proves a valuable service to the community.

See, that is such a bull**** reason. How does ripping a fox apart with dogs benefit the community any more than flushing it out with dogs and then shooting it?

Re 4x4s, tell me about it. The problem with living in Devon is that people genuinely believe that they need them. My MR2 does as much rough stuff as the majority of soft-roaders around these parts.

[Dave B]

Re bull justifications try asking your average town dwelling 4x4 owner why they have one, always good for a giggle ditto why Boxster owners didn't go for a 911.
So after five pages of bleating on about smokers' rights, all of a sudden you're against freedom of personal choice?

How strange.

[Retro Formula 1]

So after five pages of bleating on about smokers' rights, all of a sudden you're against freedom of personal choice?

How strange.

That's a great point Dave but for many on here and not just BM.

I suppose it's fair to say we all have views and opinions we feel obliged to share but it's up to the other members to point out the same and possibly where we might be guilty of hypocrisy.

After all, the forum should be about sharing views and not just stating them. I'm sure we can all do with remembering that from time to time. :)

[Bolton Midnight]

See, that is such a bull**** reason. How does ripping a fox apart with dogs benefit the community any more than flushing it out with dogs and then shooting it?


There's an economic benefit to the community of having a hunt and the recovery of dead beasts for the farmers.

Shooting is a bit hit n miss, a kill is not guaranteed whereas with the hounds it is either fully alive or dead no half way house.


So after five pages of bleating on about smokers' rights, all of a sudden you're against freedom of personal choice?

How strange.

No, read what I wrote not what you thought I wrote, it is the way they try and justify it I find amusing. If they just said they drive an X5 because they want to then that's fair enough but they don't they always try and justify it.

[Retro Formula 1]

There's an economic benefit to the community of having a hunt and the recovery of dead beasts for the farmers.

Shooting is a bit hit n miss, a kill is not guaranteed whereas with the hounds it is either fully alive or dead no half way house.



No, read what I wrote not what you thought I wrote, it is the way they try and justify it I find amusing. If they just said they drive an X5 because they want to then that's fair enough but they don't they always try and justify it.

I'm not going to argue for or against Hunting, Shooting or Fishing. Personally, I don't care if a Fox gets killed. Sorry if people think that's harsh but I really don't care. Also, give me a shot at a Deer or a freshly caught trout and I'll cook up a storm; not create one :)

But, I do think that the reasons most people give for driving off roaders have probably about as much basis in fact than as the claim the smoking ban has lead to pubs closing :)

[Bolton Midnight]

Feel free to find some links that show you need AWD in case there's a Ribenna slick outside nursery or that bull bars are needed in Chipping Ongar.

[Retro Formula 1]

Feel free to find some links that show you need AWD in case there's a Ribenna slick outside nursery or that bull bars are needed in Chipping Ongar.

Ribenna is one of the most dangerous substances on the planet, especially in the hands of a six year old. Sometimes I need a 4x4 to get from one end of my sofa to the other :dozey:

[Dave B]

Feel free to find me some links that show you need to smoke then.

Good lord. You're saying that people should have freedom to smoke should they so wish, then in the very next wheezy breath saying that they should only have 4WD vehicles if they can justify it.

And you wonder why it's impossible to take you seriously? :laugh:

[Bolton Midnight]

Now I know you are fibbing, it's mega sticky and seems to have a shelf/sticky life of roughly 22 years.

[BDunnell]

So after five pages of bleating on about smokers' rights, all of a sudden you're against freedom of personal choice?

How strange.

Mr Consistency, Mr Logical Trains of Thought — call him what you will.

[Bolton Midnight]

Feel free to find me some links that show you need to smoke then.

Good lord. You're saying that people should have freedom to smoke should they so wish, then in the very next wheezy breath saying that they should only have 4WD vehicles if they can justify it.

And you wonder why it's impossible to take you seriously? :laugh:

This is becoming a bit repetitive, I did not say they could only have a 4x4 if they can justify it, I was just saying it is funny to listen to 4x4 owners who feel they have to justify why they have one, rather just saying I want one so up yours.

You don't need to smoke, but I enjoy it and am hooked so will carry on until I decide otherwise and not when some meddling do gooder tries a bit of unsuccessful social engineering.

[BDunnell]

You don't need to smoke, but I enjoy it and am hooked so will carry on until I decide otherwise and not when some meddling do gooder tries a bit of unsuccessful social engineering.

Or, indeed, until the meddling do-badder called 'cancer' tries a bit of successful social engineering.

[Bolton Midnight]

Aye because of course non smokers never get cancer and live forever, oh hang on.........

If you were really that interested in living longer you could always whip your balls off, as that is a surefire way of extended your lifespan.

[Dave B]

Odd.

I've just stumbled upon this thread from 2007/8 in which you sounded quite keen to give up smoking.

http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117725

What changed? Genuine question.

[BDunnell]

Aye because of course non smokers never get cancer and live forever, oh hang on.........

If you were really that interested in living longer you could always whip your balls off, as that is a surefire way of extended your lifespan.

Do you believe, because it seems very much like it, that there is no greater risk of cancer caused by smoking as opposed to not smoking?

[BDunnell]

Odd.

I've just stumbled upon this thread from 2007/8 in which you sounded quite keen to give up smoking.

http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117725

What changed? Genuine question.

Judging by recent threads, I am imagining a frontal lobotomy, but far be it for me to guess.

[Bolton Midnight]

Odd.

I've just stumbled upon this thread from 2007/8 in which you sounded quite keen to give up smoking.

http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117725

What changed? Genuine question.

Put weight on again, so started smoking again as I'd rather smoke than be a fatty.

[BDunnell]

Put weight on again, so started smoking again as I'd rather smoke than be a fatty.

Is this amongst the advice you mete out in the health business you tell us you run?

[Dave B]

Put weight on again, so started smoking again as I'd rather smoke than be a fatty.
Temporary weight gain and increased appitite can easily be dealt with if one has the motivation. I'd say your reason is a cop-out. You state that you'd tried everything from substitute nicotine products to hypnotherapy and acupuncture. If true, that indicates a pretty strong and commendable will to quit - but you flaked because of a bit of weight gain? Something doesn't ring true.

[Bolton Midnight]

I was 5' 10" and 10½ stone, quit in 97 and put on two stone - hardly surprising as I replaced fags with Mars Bars and huge wedges of Edam cheese LoL

But then quit again and started putting on the weight again and felt ill, it depressed me getting fatter and fatter so started up again.

Truth of the matter is I didn't really want to quit, just outside pressure.

[BDunnell]

I was 5' 10" and 10½ stone, quit in 97 and put on two stone - hardly surprising as I replaced fags with Mars Bars and huge wedges of Edam cheese LoL

But then quit again and started putting on the weight again and felt ill, it depressed me getting fatter and fatter so started up again.

Truth of the matter is I didn't really want to quit, just outside pressure.

Forgive me for wondering, but how is the health facility you own running itself while you spend your day making contributions to these forums? I am starting to fear for the well-being of the patients who frequent this alleged facility.

[Retro Formula 1]

Can we stop picking on the poor bloke please. It's obvious he wants to give up but like most smokers is struggleing with doing it. I know that feeling and it's incredibly frustrating.

Who people are and what they are doing on here is up to the individual (and why I try not to give out any personal information ;) )

[Bolton Midnight]

No worries I have thick skin and don't mind what he says, the penny hasn't dropped that I'm ignoring him as all he brings to a debate are insults, not really sure why he hasn't been banned actually, must be pals with Mods.

I don't want to give up, I enjoy smoking, that's the real problem. I did in 97 and found it easier than I'd ever expected but just put on so much weight I decided to start up again.

[BDunnell]

Can we stop picking on the poor bloke please. It's obvious he wants to give up but like most smokers is struggleing with doing it. I know that feeling and it's incredibly frustrating.

Who people are and what they are doing on here is up to the individual (and why I try not to give out any personal information ;) )

I'm not picking on him for being unable to give up smoking — far from it. I know how difficult that is. My criticism stems entirely from the content of his posts.

[BDunnell]

No worries I have thick skin and don't mind what he says

That 'thick skin' the reason you started this thread — http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140606 — in Forum Feedback?

[Dave B]

No worries I have thick skin and don't mind what he says, the penny hasn't dropped that I'm ignoring him as all he brings to a debate are insults, not really sure why he hasn't been banned actually, must be pals with Mods..
The sheer hypocrisy of posting that when in the last couple of days you've accused certain groups of being "tossers" and unsuitable to work with children is breathtaking. :eek:

[BDunnell]

No Dave, it seems we've all made the same mistake. 'Bolton M' has not actually called anyone any names as such, he's just very good at making us think we've been called names. He explained it to me when I questioned him, see below:

Its a very clever technique which originally developed in the tearooms/canteens of pie factories in the North East, I've heard from a very reliable source.

In that case, how come he picked it up? After all, he was at a top public school in his younger days, where I'm sure other techniques are taught.

[MrJan]

Please try not to mention pie, it's the reason that chubbs started smoking again.

[Retro Formula 1]

I'm not picking on him for being unable to give up smoking — far from it. I know how difficult that is. My criticism stems entirely from the content of his posts.

Sorry. I misunderstood and poked my nose in where it wasn't justified.

I'm just a little sensitive about smoking as it's something that's dogged me all my life. I feel nothing but sorry for people that claim they enjoy smoking because the addiction is so strong, it convinces you that it's somehow beneficial :(

Regarding the content of his posts, I agree with you but then we are all guilty of cocking a insult or slapping someone down from time to time. The Mods do a pretty good job in general at leaving a lively debate going until it gets too personal but it is frustrating that the people that dish it out are usually the ones moaning about the injustice when others don't get punished ;)

[Garry Walker]

Shame the smokers can't pile indoors whilst you're outdoors in'it

What a stupid thing to say.



If you were really that interested in living longer you could always whip your balls off, as that is a surefire way of extended your lifespan.
Well, men usually enjoy having balls and the things that result from NOT being CASTRATED.
What is enjoyable about smelling like ****e from smoke, having smelly clothes, yellow fingers and teeth?

In addition to that, having balls is natural for a man. What is natural about smoking?


Put weight on again, so started smoking again as I'd rather smoke than be a fatty.

ahh chubby, so thats where my cakes disappeared.

[52Paddy]

I don't want to give up, I enjoy smoking, that's the real problem.

I'm in the same boat. I know it could kill me but that possibility does not bother me at all :)

[Bolton Midnight]

What a stupid thing to say.

Well, men usually enjoy having balls and the things that result from NOT being CASTRATED.
What is enjoyable about smelling like ****e from smoke, having smelly clothes, yellow fingers and teeth?

In addition to that, having balls is natural for a man. What is natural about smoking?

ahh chubby, so thats where my cakes disappeared.

No more stupid than stopping smoking outside.

Once you've had your kids they are pretty redundant, and taking them away would increase your life expectancy far more than quitting smoking (or drinking for that matter). You'd not go bald either.

No not chubby, sorry forgot I need to do the fuzzyfelt version in here; I was (with me so far) putting on weight when I gave up smoking (not too fast I trust) but then re-started (still hanging in there) and lost the extra ballast.

[Bolton Midnight]

I'm in the same boat. I know it could kill me but that possibility does not bother me at all :)

Same could be said about a lot of things, motor sport for example, doesn't pay for the vast majority of us but could harm us yet we still do it (well some do, some just watch - bit like sex in that respect), guess it depends if you are some kind of dweeb that needs looking after or not.

As a grown up I'd rather make my own decisions and if I want to drive fast, drink, screw, smoke, eat fatty foods, scrap, ski, hunt etc then I will do

[jbaird37]

Yip I smoke and have done for 15 years and im only 27 ha ha ... When am i ever going to stop, hopefully one day the will power for stopping will kick in!!

[Bolton Midnight]

Yip I smoke and have done for 15 years and im only 27 ha ha ... When am i ever going to stop, hopefully one day the will power for stopping will kick in!!

I found it quite easy, but you have to want to quit, not just be doing it for someone else's benefit.

[Donney]

It is official smoking will be banned in Spain in all public places, except on the streets, from the 2nd of January!

[Bolton Midnight]

It is official smoking will be banned in Spain in all public places, except on the streets, from the 2nd of January and ignored by all by 3rd Jan !

EFA

[Bolton Midnight]

Patio heaters - sorted

Just come from my local town and the girls are out in hot pants and micro skirts the lads short sleeved shirts so doubt -8 will bother them too much once they have their beer coats on.

Watch out for neds dropping their dog ends in your pint, you'll have to invent another story where you deck them.

And don't forget the morning after, targets are well down for speeding so plod in wales are on a mission to raise their clean up rates.

[Zico]

What about a 2 year old child who started smoking at 18 months, now on 40 a day?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_te6dLVeqa8

Now that is truely ****** up.. father of the year!!

[donKey jote]

It is official smoking will be banned in Spain in all public places, except on the streets, from the 2nd of January!

looking forward to it, about time :)

[ShiftingGears]

What about a 2 year old child who started smoking at 18 months, now on 40 a day?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_te6dLVeqa8

Now that is truely ****** up.. father of the year!!

Indonesia is a lucrative market for Tobacco companies, because local production is cheap and an enormous amount of people are ignorant as far as health risks are concerned.

The habit of smoking is very bad. Smoking is very injurious to health. Smoking effects very bad to to our health, these are some of it bad effects to our health :
1 Poor breathing
2 Improper digestion
3 Risk of lung cancer
4 Increase the risk of heart disease.

[Bolton Midnight]

REVIEW THE SMOKING BAN - e-petitions (http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/14103)

For those wanting a free debate sign this

For those scared of freedom and liberty - probably best you don't sign it, but pass it on to some of your more intelligent friends as they'll probably see the ban for what it really is social meddling

[Bolton Midnight]

REVIEW THE SMOKING BAN - e-petitions (http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/14103)

For those wanting a free debate sign this

For those scared of freedom and liberty - probably best you don't sign it, but pass it on to some of your more intelligent friends as they'll probably see the ban for what it really is social meddling

This bit is for you

[Daniel]

REVIEW THE SMOKING BAN - e-petitions (http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/14103)

For those who enjoy newborn babies being eaten sign this

For those scared of freedom and liberty - probably best you sign it, but pass it on to some of your more intelligent friends as they'll probably see the ban for what it really is social meddling

[Bolton Midnight]

REVIEW THE SMOKING BAN - e-petitions (http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/14103)

For those who enjoy newborn babies being eaten sign this

For those scared of freedom and liberty - probably best you sign it, but pass it on to some of your more intelligent friends as they'll probably see the ban for what it really is social meddling

That petition doesn't mention eating babies, come on where is that petition I'm peckish

[Dave B]

Oh good, he's back. Jon Gaunt Jnr. Strap yourself in, this could be a bumpy ride.

[Daniel]

Antony Worrall Thompson created the petition it says. I wonder if its that obnoxious TV chef that you wouldn't want anywhere near your cause if you wanted it to remain credible? Probably not but the petition has around 2,800 signatures which not only represents the same amount of people that have bought his cookery books, but is also telling of how popular the smoking ban is in the UK today. :laugh:

That reminds me a little of the Dumbarses Agaist DRL's campaign which comes complete with backing from the BNP and UKIP :D

DaDRL UK DRL Famous Quotes (http://www.dadrl.org.uk/quotes.html)

[BDunnell]

Antony Worrall Thompson created the petition it says. I wonder if its that obnoxious TV chef that you wouldn't want anywhere near your cause if you wanted it to remain credible?

"The other day I bought a packet of sausages that had on the front of them a picture of Antony Worrall Thompson in his kitchen. Below it said 'Prick with a fork'."

(With thanks to Radio 4's 'I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue'.)

[BDunnell]

REVIEW THE SMOKING BAN - e-petitions (http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/14103)

For those wanting a free debate sign this

For those scared of freedom and liberty - probably best you don't sign it, but pass it on to some of your more intelligent friends as they'll probably see the ban for what it really is social meddling

Lest anyone be doubtful of the credentials of the man recommending we support this crusade against the forces of darkness, we must not forget that he is a highly successful medical professional whose private education was so exclusive as to make him embarrassed to name the place at which it occurred for fear of rendering the rest of us unduly inadequate, a counterproductive move as it makes the more cynical doubtful as to whether he was in fact sent to a crappy comprehensive and left with a couple of Ds. To those cynics, whose views they shamefully back up with alleged examples of poor English and a lack of the discerning intellect one would usually associate with the well-educated, I have nothing but contempt.

[52Paddy]

Smoking ban is great. You meet so many new people outside having a smoke :)

[Knock-on]

I just bought a AWT BBQ. Hope it doesn't smoke too much or may have to petition Robert Dyas to refund my money.

As for the smoking petition, I suggest we would get more signatures if we petition to ban Bolton Midnight :D

[Kallis]

Hi there, I am new and I dont like smoking,I was a smoker and almost addicted but I just started the gym work and it is just great way to stop smoking.I am curious to know about my health and nutrition.I have good time consuming as well.

[Bolton Midnight]

Lest anyone be doubtful of the credentials of the man recommending we support this crusade against the forces of darkness, we must not forget that he is a highly successful medical professional whose private education was so exclusive as to make him embarrassed to name the place at which it occurred for fear of rendering the rest of us unduly inadequate, a counterproductive move as it makes the more cynical doubtful as to whether he was in fact sent to a crappy comprehensive and left with a couple of Ds. To those cynics, whose views they shamefully back up with alleged examples of poor English and a lack of the discerning intellect one would usually associate with the well-educated, I have nothing but contempt.

ahh diddums still sore after your regular whuppings

What's your postcode, let me know or are you too embarrassed to say? See how it works?

Glad to see loads of extra signatures on the petition - power to the people in'it

[Daniel]

ahh diddums still sore after your regular whuppings

What's your postcode, let me know or are you too embarrassed to say? See how it works?

Glad to see loads of extra signatures on the petition - power to the people in'it

ROFL

[nigelred5]

Smoking is a filthy disgusting habit more addictive than all drugs but possibly heroin. I simply cannot understand why anyone smokes. My wife smokes and it disgusts me. I don't lecture, but god bless the one thing that politicians have done in this country, essentially banning it's use in public places. Contaminate your own damn air, mine's already bad enough without tobacco smoke.

[Daniel]

Smoking is a filthy disgusting habit more addictive than all drugs but possibly heroin. I simply cannot understand why anyone smokes. My wife smokes and it disgusts me. I don't lecture, but god bless the one thing that politicians have done in this country, essentially banning it's use in public places. Contaminate your own damn air, mine's already bad enough without tobacco smoke.

Weird. I don't like smoking and I pretty much wouldn't go out with anyone who did. Strange that you have such strong feelings about smoking and weren't turned off at the start.

[Bolton Midnight]

Maybe it is just a ploy to keep you at bay.

Never been that big a deal whether flange smokes or not but must admit I avoid employing smokers as don't want pay them to skive whilst having a crafty smoke - that's my job.

[Roamy]

It is good to see smoking banned in public places. However governments should allow private smoking clubs and cafes. I hate cigarettes but love cigars. I can sure understand the non smoker. A filthy ashtray and the stench of cigarette smoke sucks. I can remember when they allowed smoking in restaurants - no very appetizing. Most bars have a outside or private room now for smokers. But if you want to see something terrible go to Salt Lake City airport and check out the smoking cages. The bottom rung of the ladder I would say.

[Bolton Midnight]

Manchester airport has similar, thing that stuck with me the most was how could THESE people afford foreign holidays, surely pooling their Giros shouldn't get them far?

I'm more in favour of freedom, choice, liberty where smoking is concerned - let the landlord decide not the fresh air freaks that never set foot in his business.

[Daniel]

It is good to see smoking banned in public places. However governments should allow private smoking clubs and cafes. I hate cigarettes but love cigars. I can sure understand the non smoker. A filthy ashtray and the stench of cigarette smoke sucks. I can remember when they allowed smoking in restaurants - no very appetizing. Most bars have a outside or private room now for smokers. But if you want to see something terrible go to Salt Lake City airport and check out the smoking cages. The bottom rung of the ladder I would say.

I completely agree. I think people should be allowed to run smoking establishments. I'd forgotten how terrible it was to have someone smoke in a restaurant when you're trying to eat. It was outlawed in the UK shortly after I moved here but I remember going into a restaurant and someone was smoking perhaps a foot from me and I felt like shoving the cigarette up his arse.

[Daniel]

I wouldn't be against pubs having the choice whether they allowed smoking or not as long as it was regulated so people also have the freedom to choose whether they went to a smoke free pub or not. It would be nice if it was set up that only two pubs per town offered this but kept the majority smoke free from my perspective. I would certainly know which ones to avoid and the one or two friends I have that do smoke would be able to branch off on a night out and meet up later after they have done what they wished to do. I suppose with the amount of smokers decreasing in the UK since 2007 the government are happy the way the transition has gone. The price of tobacco has gone up considerably in recent years due to less people taking it up and the government are keen to regain some of its lost revenue and smokers are being hit further. With it still being the main cause of premature death in the UK I doubt the law will return to the favour of the smoker, and its something I would hope would disappear within time. Since I last mentioned my step father in this thread he has now unfortunately been diagnosed as terminally ill. I've been asking him to give up smoking for many years and he now finally agrees he really should have. He's 51 years old and that is far too young to go IMO.

Sorry to hear about your stepfather :(

I support the idea of people having a choice of smoking or non-smoking pubs, but I do wonder if the market would just decide that smoking pubs are a bad idea. I know for a fact that my old boss who is a smoker would rather go to a non-smoking pub with friends and have to stand outside, rather than going to a smoking pub on his own. I suspect most people would be the same. Would you go to a smoking pub with mates just because a few of them want to smoke inside? I wouldn't

[Bolton Midnight]

Why limit then, let market forces & landlords decide. Judging by how busy the smoking areas are perhaps it should be 2 per town that are non smoking.

Smoking amongst the young (pub/bar goers) is on the up so the ban has clearly failed re reducing numbers.

Percentage of tax has increased - hence hike in prices.

My mum smoked but died last year nowt to do with smoking but was cancer, non smokers die all the time, sad but true.

But if you agree in principle that the landlord should have the choice - sign the petition.

[Bolton Midnight]

Why limit then, let market forces & landlords decide. Judging by how busy the smoking areas are perhaps it should be 2 per town that are non smoking.

Smoking amongst the young (pub/bar goers) is on the up so the ban has clearly failed re reducing numbers.

Percentage of tax has increased - hence hike in prices.

My mum smoked but died last year nowt to do with smoking but was cancer, non smokers die all the time, sad but true.

But if you agree in principle that the landlord should have the choice - sign the petition.

[Knock-on]

I don't agree that smoking should be legal at all. I would ban it to Class B status.

[BDunnell]

Why limit then, let market forces & landlords decide. Judging by how busy the smoking areas are perhaps it should be 2 per town that are non smoking.

Smoking amongst the young (pub/bar goers) is on the up so the ban has clearly failed re reducing numbers.

Again, statistical evidence for all of this, please. (I don't expect an answer to this, naturally, but thought it would be polite to ask.)



My mum smoked but died last year nowt to do with smoking but was cancer, non smokers die all the time, sad but true.

Your point being?

[Bolton Midnight]

I don't agree that smoking should be legal at all. I would ban it to Class B status.

Alcohol too I presume as it is far more harmful to society?

[Bolton Midnight]

Again, statistical evidence for all of this, please. (I don't expect an answer to this, naturally, but thought it would be polite to ask.)


Your point being?

Have you been in a busy town centre pub recently? If you had you would have seen that the smoking zone was the busiest part of that pub.

cba I know it to be true, if you need a link to prove to you what most normal people already know then knock yourself out and Google it.

That non smokers die all the time, that is the point; I can't make it any simpler than that, ask someone to draw you a picture if you can't follow plain English.

[BDunnell]

Have you been in a busy town centre pub recently?

Yes.


If you had you would have seen that the smoking zone was the busiest part of that pub.

It wasn't.



cba I know it to be true, if you need a link to prove to you what most normal people already know then knock yourself out and Google it.

No, I want the evidence from you. Except you can't provide it, because there is no such evidence.



That non smokers die all the time, that is the point; I can't make it any simpler than that, ask someone to draw you a picture if you can't follow plain English.

Er... yes, but what is the point you are making in this context? That smoking does not increase one's chances of dying?

To be honest, I don't know why you persist posting in this thread. Everybody else thinks your views are nonsensical.

[Bolton Midnight]

Yes.



It wasn't.



No, I want the evidence from you. Except you can't provide it, because there is no such evidence.



Er... yes, but what is the point you are making in this context? That smoking does not increase one's chances of dying?

To be honest, I don't know why you persist posting in this thread. Everybody else thinks your views are nonsensical.

Well lets agree to disagree then, but every pub/bar in every town I've been to the smoking area was always the busiest part, now maybe just maybe you are lying or live in a really strange part of the UK, I suspect the first.

Do I need to prove night follows day? No of course not because normal people already know it to be true. If it bothers you so much as seems the case Google it, but if I find a link will you apologise for being such a wally as usual?

More people die of non smoking related deaths, yes smoking is bad for you only a complete tard would think otherwise, but non smokers die every day. As soon as you leave a debate it gets more sensible.

When I find the link re young smokers do you promise to never post on a thread I've posted on?

[Bolton Midnight]

If the smoking area's are remaining busy, I can't see a problem with keeping things the way they are in mainstream pubs. There are alot of people who don't want to be in a bar/pub with lingering cigarette smoke and it seems people are happy on the whole to use dedicated outdoor smoking area's. If they are busy then people are still going to the pub and popping outside is hardly a huge inconvenience, and most pubs provide area's to satisfy both parties.

I suppose it depends what you read for that information. If you read the NHS annual report processed by 'National Statistics', then it'll explain smoking has decreased on the whole since 2008. Maybe youngsters are taking up smoking more as its now perceived as a taboo thing to do in public? The ban was brought in for many reason's and I'm sure one of those reasons was to attempt to reduce smoking in younger social groups but it was also to decrease the amount of people exposed to it and that has worked.

Those areas are busiest because the majority of pub/bar goers are also smokers, nothing more complex than that. I have a few mates who run bars/clubs in my local town and they have to cater for the smokers as they know that is what the vast majority of their customers want. And if they had the choice they would revert back to smoking pubs. One has in effect made his entire bar outside to ensure he remains busy and it's working a treat but a lot can't do that.

Smoking on the whole may well be down but it has increased in the young, which is what I said. And once the know it all agrees to shut up and never post on another thread I've posted on I'll pop up the link I have already found, but I doubt he will as he too frit.

[BDunnell]

Well lets agree to disagree then, but every pub/bar in every town I've been to the smoking area was always the busiest part, now maybe just maybe you are lying or live in a really strange part of the UK, I suspect the first.

So because I offered my view and it differs from yours, I am a liar? Please apologise. In turn, I am sorry for not going to the same sort of ghastly pubs as you frequent, and thus for not having the 'evidence' to agree with you.

[BDunnell]

Those areas are busiest because the majority of pub/bar goers are also smokers, nothing more complex than that.

Statistical evidence?


And once the know it all agrees to shut up and never post on another thread I've posted on I'll pop up the link I have already found, but I doubt he will as he too frit.

There is no such word as 'frit'. You, as a privately-educated medical professional, should know that.

[BDunnell]

If the smoking area's are remaining busy, I can't see a problem with keeping things the way they are in mainstream pubs. There are alot of people who don't want to be in a bar/pub with lingering cigarette smoke and it seems people are happy on the whole to use dedicated outdoor smoking area's. If they are busy then people are still going to the pub and popping outside is hardly a huge inconvenience, and most pubs provide area's to satisfy both parties.

Exactly. It is no hardship, nor an infringement of human rights. I would rather not have smoking martyrs in the pubs I frequent in the UK. Here in Germany, the type of place to which I like going is invariably smoky, and I dislike it intensely.



I suppose it depends what you read for that information.

Apparently, anecdotal information such as 'I saw this', 'We all know that' and 'My mate said this' is sufficient nowadays to prove a point.

[Bolton Midnight]

There is no such word as 'frit'. You, as a privately-educated medical professional, should know that.

Yes there is and you are, come on man up, accept the challenge, I post the link you apologise for being a know it all and agree to never post on a thread where I've posted again.

Stop being such a wuss and accept the challenge.

[Bolton Midnight]

Here in Germany, the type of place to which I like going is invariably smoky, and I dislike it intensely.



Well don't go there then, am sure you'll be doing everyone a favour if you stay at home, nobody is going to miss your witty banter.

[BDunnell]

Yes there is and you are, come on man up, accept the challenge, I post the link you apologise for being a know it all and agree to never post on a thread where I've posted again.

No there isn't, and no I won't, thank you very much.

Perhaps while we're about it you could inform us finally as to which exclusive school it was that taught you so well.

[BDunnell]

I can understand why pubs would want the smoking ban lifted because its more money for them.

I'm not sure it is any more.

[Bolton Midnight]

Thats just not true and I don't feel is a fair representation for the whole country IMO. I'm a regular pub/bar/club attendee and I don't get that impression at all. I can understand why pubs would want the smoking ban lifted because its more money for them. People will still go to the pub if there is smoking or not but for none smokers its a more pleasant experience and makes the whole thing alot more healthy.

There won't be any links to 'prove' it either way. But judging by the amount of people smoking whilst out it looks very much the case to me.

Why would it be more money for them unless of course they know that the majority of drinkers are also smokers. And lifting the ban would put them back to how it was before the silly ban.

More pleasant for the minority vs. going out of business mmmmmm tough one that!

More healthy, chucking poison down ones neck, really?!

[Bolton Midnight]

No there isn't, and no I won't, thank you very much.

Perhaps while we're about it you could inform us finally as to which exclusive school it was that taught you so well.


Chicken, all mouth and no trousers. but at least you've learnt something today; smoking is on the up for youngsters, the ban hasn't worked in that respect.

Why are you so interested? There are quite a few folk who know who I am on this forum, so they know I'm telling the truth, I'll leave it up to sad and friendless sorts to make stuff up.

What is your house number, postcode, credit card PIN, NI number, password for in here - see how it works?

[Daniel]

Why do you go to the pub if you don't drink? I take it you don't as you've mentioned alcohol as poison quite a few times here. Having a couple of pints in a smokeless room is more healthy than having a couple of pints in a smoke filled room I would imagine lol.

Agreed. Tbh Caroline occasionally drinks and she's not dead so I fail to see Bolton Midnight's point about drink hurting people. That said I don't drink at all and I'm not dead so I'm sure that drinking would probably kill most people instantly.

[Knock-on]

http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/prod_consump/groups/cr_common/@nre/@sta/documents/image/crukmig_1000img-12876.jpg

I am sure you can understand a graph Bolton. This one seems to suggest that smoking is falling.

There has been a small increase in the amount of young people who smoke in the 16 - 19 age group from 2007- 2009 but all other age groups are decreasing.

Unless you can provide some link which suggests that non-smokers don't frequent pubs, then it tends to suggest that your claim that the majority of pub patrons are also smokers to be wrong.

[Bolton Midnight]

Why do you go to the pub if you don't drink? I take it you don't as you've mentioned alcohol as poison quite a few times here. Having a couple of pints in a smokeless room is more healthy than having a couple of pints in a smoke filled room I would imagine lol.

Oh no I drink like a fish when out (and in sometimes too), but I'm not some pious knob prattling on about wanting smoke free pubs to poison myself in am I?

Having no pints at home with no smoke would be healthier still.

[Daniel]

http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/prod_consump/groups/cr_common/@nre/@sta/documents/image/crukmig_1000img-12876.jpg

I am sure you can understand a graph Bolton. This one seems to suggest that smoking is falling.

There has been a small increase in the amount of young people who smoke in the 16 - 19 age group from 2007- 2009 but all other age groups are decreasing.

Unless you can provide some link which suggests that non-smokers don't frequent pubs, then it tends to suggest that your claim that the majority of pub patrons are also smokers to be wrong.

You can prove anything with statistics that correlate almost perfectly *shakes head*

[Bolton Midnight]

There has been a small increase in the amount of young people who smoke in the 16 - 19 age group from 2007- 2009

Like I said, which Bumdell seemed to doubt, but that figures as he proves time and time again he is a bit clueless.

[BDunnell]

Chicken, all mouth and no trousers. but at least you've learnt something today; smoking is on the up for youngsters, the ban hasn't worked in that respect.

No, I haven't learned anything of the sort. I have seen you saying that it is, which I automatically disbelieve, and one statistic showing a small increase of some kind.



Why are you so interested? There are quite a few folk who know who I am on this forum, so they know I'm telling the truth, I'll leave it up to sad and friendless sorts to make stuff up.

What is your house number, postcode, credit card PIN, NI number, password for in here - see how it works?

That is private info. Where you went to school isn't. The money allegedly spent on your education was, as stated previously, of questionable value.

[BDunnell]

I am sure you can understand a graph Bolton. This one seems to suggest that smoking is falling.

There has been a small increase in the amount of young people who smoke in the 16 - 19 age group from 2007- 2009 but all other age groups are decreasing.

Unless you can provide some link which suggests that non-smokers don't frequent pubs, then it tends to suggest that your claim that the majority of pub patrons are also smokers to be wrong.

Thank you.

[BDunnell]

Oh no I drink like a fish when out (and in sometimes too), but I'm not some pious knob prattling on about wanting smoke free pubs to poison myself in am I?

Having no pints at home with no smoke would be healthier still.

In what sense is your prattling on about wanting smoking in pubs any less pious than the counter-argument? I will leave others to decide whether the other term you use to describe those of us with no desire for pub smoking to return is also applicable to your good self.

[Bolton Midnight]

No, I haven't learned anything of the sort. I have seen you saying that it is, which I automatically disbelieve, and one statistic showing a small increase of some kind.

That is private info. Where you went to school isn't. The money allegedly spent on your education was, as stated previously, of questionable value.

So you automatically disbelieved it despite it being the truth - clueless

No it is no more private, come on spit it out chicken.

[Daniel]

So you automatically disbelieved it despite it being the truth - clueless

No it is no more private, come on spit it out chicken.

Can I have your internet banking details please?

Put your money where your mouth is eh chicken? :)

[BDunnell]

So you automatically disbelieved it despite it being the truth - clueless

No it is no more private, come on spit it out chicken.

If you are going to accuse others of being 'clueless', it might help not to follow that accusation with a sentence reading 'No it is no more private, come on spit it out chicken'.

[Bolton Midnight]

Unless you can provide some link which suggests that non-smokers don't frequent pubs, then it tends to suggest that your claim that the majority of pub patrons are also smokers to be wrong.

As I have already said (is actually reading what is written some kind of no no in here?) there won't be a link to prove it one way or another. But the number of pubs shutting post ban certainly backs my opinion up. Not to mention what I have been told by people who run bars/pubs/clubs - but hey what would they know compared with a few folk on t'internet?

Oh and then you have the small matter of the smoking areas always being the busiest part of the bar/pub.

But hey why let facts get in the way of a rant.

[Daniel]

As I have already said (is actually reading what is written some kind of no no in here?) there won't be a link to prove it one way or another. But the number of pubs shutting post ban certainly backs my opinion up. Not to mention what I have been told by people who run bars/pubs/clubs - but hey what would they know compared with a few folk on t'internet?

Oh and then you have the small matter of the smoking areas always being the busiest part of the bar/pub.

But hey why let facts get in the way of a rant.

Pubs have always shut down. Heck, back in Australia when supermarkets started offering cheap alcohol it started killing pubs off, same has happened here in the UK.

[Bolton Midnight]

In what sense is your prattling on about wanting smoking in pubs any less pious than the counter-argument? I will leave others to decide whether the other term you use to describe those of us with no desire for pub smoking to return is also applicable to your good self.

It doesn't bother me, I just want the business owner to have the freedom to choose, I like freedom, you don't. I don't like some faceless busy body meddling in somebody else's business it smacks of a nanny state but I don't expect you to be able to understand that.

[Daniel]

It doesn't bother me, I just want the business owner to have the freedom to choose, I like freedom, you don't. I don't like some faceless busy body meddling in somebody else's business it smacks of a nanny state but I don't expect you to be able to understand that.

I want the freedom to put you on a spit and eat you, but I somehow suspect you might not be so supportive of my right to this "freedom"

[Bolton Midnight]

Pubs have always shut down. Heck, back in Australia when supermarkets started offering cheap alcohol it started killing pubs off, same has happened here in the UK.

2 pubs a day pre ban, 5 pubs a day post ban

but hey lets not get too sentimental about those 3 businesses going under, probably nowhere near where you live so who gives a flying **** eh?

[Bolton Midnight]

I want the freedom to put you on a spit and eat you, but I somehow suspect you might not be so supportive of my right to this "freedom"

weirdo alert

you into this gay cannibalism stuff then, like that chap in Germany, is that what you and your daisy chain mate Bumdell are into is it?

[Daniel]

2 pubs a day pre ban, 5 pubs a day post ban

but hey lets not get too sentimental about those 3 businesses going under, probably nowhere near where you live so who gives a flying **** eh?

Couple of questions for you.

1 What date did the smoking ban come into effect?
2 What date did the credit crunch hit? You know, the credit crunch which put a lot of people out of work, took the disposable income out of people's pockets which would have gone on things like nights out at the pub. What date did the credit crunch hit?

[Bolton Midnight]

Can I have your internet banking details please?

Put your money where your mouth is eh chicken? :)

No sorry you misunderstand, I'm all for keeping private details private, it's your bumchum Bumdell that is really interested in where I went to school, he mentions it about every 3rd post, obsessed he is.

Read what is written there's a good chap, far better than going off half cocked and looking a bit of a chump.

[Daniel]

weirdo alert

you into this gay cannibalism stuff then, like that chap in Germany, is that what you and your daisy chain mate Bumdell are into is it?

LOL how is it gay cannibalism? If I eat a male chicken is that a gay meal? Should Caroline only eat male animals and myself only female animals? :confused:

Seems like someone has homosexuality on the brain...... nothing wrong with that of course :)

[Bolton Midnight]

Couple of questions for you.

1 What date did the smoking ban come into effect?
2 What date did the credit crunch hit? You know, the credit crunch which put a lot of people out of work, took the disposable income out of people's pockets which would have gone on things like nights out at the pub. What date did the credit crunch hit?

July 07
late 08

Rate of pub closures started in earnest in 07 BEFORE the recession really took hold

[Bolton Midnight]

LOL how is it gay cannibalism?

BBC NEWS | Europe | Man held for German 'cannibal killing' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2569095.stm)

I don't wish to eat humans though do I?

But if you get a kick out of imagining yourself chowing down on some willy keep it to yourself please.

[Bolton Midnight]

Recession was 2nd quarter of 08 not 07. You being a bad credit risk does not mean the nation was in recession. I have never had a problem getting finance, does that mean we've never been in recession - no of course not.

I'm sure it didn't help the situation but the primary factor was the smoking ban.

[donKey jote]

you bored tonight bolton ?
run out of fags?
:dozey:

[Daniel]

July 07
late 08

Rate of pub closures started in earnest in 07 BEFORE the recession really took hold

Credit crunch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_crunch)

Seems henners remembers it a bit better than you. I also remember working for a company in 2007 in the mortgage industry who started making people redundant late in 2007.

So given that the financial crisis hit in August 2007, do you not think that perhaps this may have had just a teeeeeeeeensy little effect on people's willingness to spend their disposable income on luxuries like going to the pub?

[Malbec]

There is no such word as 'frit'. You, as a privately-educated medical professional, should know that.

I don't think that BM has pretended he's a medical professional, he clearly hasn't worked within the NHS.

[Bolton Midnight]

Is there really any need for that?

Every little helps.

But it is true, they are self righteous, meddling, pious knobs it's a fact.

Abstaining from alcohol and/or tobacco of course would be healthier, just find it ironic to listen to the pious knobs prattling on about how it is so much healthier for them to chuck poison down their weedy little throats now all the smokers are outside arranging to chuck one up their missus.

[BDunnell]

Credit crunch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_crunch)

Seems henners remembers it a bit better than you. I also remember working for a company in 2007 in the mortgage industry who started making people redundant late in 2007.

So given that the financial crisis hit in August 2007, do you not think that perhaps this may have had just a teeeeeeeeensy little effect on people's willingness to spend their disposable income on luxuries like going to the pub?

And, furthermore, pubs didn't start suddenly closing as a result of either the smoking ban or the recession. Regular reading of CAMRA's publications over the years has suggested that the trend has been a gradual one for some time, with many other factors involved.

[BDunnell]

I don't think that BM has pretended he's a medical professional, he clearly hasn't worked within the NHS.

That little gem is to be found somewhere, let me assure you.

[Bolton Midnight]

I don't think that BM has pretended he's a medical professional, he clearly hasn't worked within the NHS.

I do, every working day though.

[BDunnell]

But it is true, they are self righteous, meddling, pious knobs it's a fact.

On what grounds is this 'a fact'?



Abstaining from alcohol and/or tobacco of course would be healthier, just find it ironic to listen to the pious knobs prattling on about how it is so much healthier for them to chuck poison down their weedy little throats now all the smokers are outside arranging to chuck one up their missus.

A comment that speaks volumes about your attitudes.

[Daniel]

I don't think that BM has pretended he's a medical professional, he clearly hasn't worked within the NHS.

BM is such a shy retiring fellow, I'm sure he would be fantastic to deal with in a hospital environment.

Perhaps he's one of those Patch Adams type people who heals people with laughter? :dozey:

[BDunnell]

It doesn't bother me, I just want the business owner to have the freedom to choose, I like freedom, you don't. I don't like some faceless busy body meddling in somebody else's business it smacks of a nanny state but I don't expect you to be able to understand that.

I'm afraid to say that your attempts to portray others as somehow unintelligent don't cut much ice given (a) your opinions and (b) the inarticulate manner in which you express them.

In what way does the freedom to choose to smoke override my freedom in terms of not wishing to breathe it in?

[BDunnell]

BM is such a shy retiring fellow, I'm sure he would be fantastic to deal with in a hospital environment.

Indeed, not least through his promotion of smoking helping to ensure a steady stream of customers with emphysema and other similar disorders.

[Malbec]

I do, every working day though.

doctor?

[Bolton Midnight]

The NHS encompasses much more than just hospitals, doh!

We're no longer in recession, yet pubs are still closing at the same rate if not more than before.

See they all mention the smoking ban as main contributing factors

Sky-high prices, flat beer and no fags: how the pub bubble burst | Business | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/apr/09/fooddrinks.retail1)

Pub closures to accelerate - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/3477355/Pub-closures-to-accelerate.html)

Last orders: Twenty-five pubs 'close every week' with the loss of thousands of jobs | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366720/Last-orders-Twenty-pubs-close-week-loss-thousands-jobs.html)

THE FREEDOM ASSOCIATION: Smoking ban is the main cause of pub closures (http://www.tfa.net/the_freedom_association/2010/09/smoking-ban-is-the-main-cause-of-pub-closures.html)

Smoke ban 'is main cause' of pub losses (http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/General-News/Smoke-ban-is-main-cause-of-pub-losses)

Simon Clark - Taking Liberties - Smoking ban and pub*closures (http://takingliberties.squarespace.com/taking-liberties/2010/9/6/smoking-ban-and-pub-closures.html)

But hey what do they know compared with such luminaries as you lot

[Daniel]

doctor?

http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/5125/434291-patch_adams.jpg
:p

[Bolton Midnight]

doctor?

Nope, again not everyone employed directly or indirectly within the NHS is a doctor or a nurse you know?

[Bolton Midnight]

In what way does the freedom to choose to smoke override my freedom in terms of not wishing to breathe it in?

You had the choice whether to go into the smoke filled pub did you not? A simple yes / no will suffice.



On what grounds is this 'a fact'?

A comment that speaks volumes about your attitudes.

Your posts prove it beyond all doubt.

We regularly get girlfriends/wives coming into our smoking area and leaving their dullard partners in the fart / BO zone. Only a few nights ago a black lass with the most enormous wangers (and I mean huge, like two babies heads they were) got a knee trembler in the lav whilst her chap was in the dullard section FaF watching him enjoy his smoke free bottle of Peroni through the window as my mate did his missus. Sod all to do with smoking just a question of personality / charisma. Pious knobs are usually devoid of such.

[BDunnell]

The NHS encompasses much more than just hospitals, doh!

We're no longer in recession, yet pubs are still closing at the same rate if not more than before.

See they all mention the smoking ban as main contributing factors

Sky-high prices, flat beer and no fags: how the pub bubble burst | Business | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/apr/09/fooddrinks.retail1)

Pub closures to accelerate - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/3477355/Pub-closures-to-accelerate.html)

Last orders: Twenty-five pubs 'close every week' with the loss of thousands of jobs | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366720/Last-orders-Twenty-pubs-close-week-loss-thousands-jobs.html)

THE FREEDOM ASSOCIATION: Smoking ban is the main cause of pub closures (http://www.tfa.net/the_freedom_association/2010/09/smoking-ban-is-the-main-cause-of-pub-closures.html)

Smoke ban 'is main cause' of pub losses (http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/General-News/Smoke-ban-is-main-cause-of-pub-losses)

Simon Clark - Taking Liberties - Smoking ban and pub*closures (http://takingliberties.squarespace.com/taking-liberties/2010/9/6/smoking-ban-and-pub-closures.html)

But hey what do they know compared with such luminaries as you lot

Consulting Professor Google does not constitute working in the NHS, you know.

No-one doubts that the smoking ban has kept some people out of pubs. But this argument forgets two things. One is the fact — and it is a fact — that pub closures have been occurring at a steady rate for some considerable time, and that they didn't suddenly begin when the smoking ban was introduced, as you seem to be suggesting. Secondly, new people have been attracted to pubs by virtue of the absence of smoking.

I would add that your citing of an article by the Freedom Association, one of the most bonkers right-wing groups going, loses you further credibility.

[Daniel]

And, furthermore, pubs didn't start suddenly closing as a result of either the smoking ban or the recession. Regular reading of CAMRA's publications over the years has suggested that the trend has been a gradual one for some time, with many other factors involved.

Funnily enough Bolton Midnight's links he posted himself have mentioned a lot of these other factors :laugh:

I don't doubt that smoking is a small factor in some of the closures, I'm sure there are a few people out there who resent having to go outside to have a fag. I also suspect that there are a lot of people like myself who simply hated being in pubs before and never would have gone in, but now will happily go into pubs and have a pint of coke which probably earns the pub more than that pint of lager the person I'm with is having.....

[Malbec]

Nope, again not everyone employed directly or indirectly within the NHS is a doctor or a nurse you know?

The term 'medical professional' does indeed refer mainly to doctors and other clinicians, I'm sure you know that.

But then again from your ignorance of how the developments in the NHS over the past decade its clear you don't hold a post of great importance.

[BDunnell]

You had the choice whether to go into the smoke filled pub did you not? A simple yes / no will suffice.

What you mean is that 'a simple yes/no is all I can understand'.

Why should the choice available be a smoke-filled pub or no pub?



We regularly get girlfriends/wives coming into our smoking area and leaving their dullard partners in the fart / BO zone. Only a few nights ago a black lass with the most enormous wangers (and I mean huge, like two babies heads they were) got a knee trembler in the lav whilst her chap was in the dullard section FaF watching him enjoy his smoke free bottle of Peroni through the window as my mate did his missus. Sod all to do with smoking just a question of personality / charisma. Pious knobs are usually devoid of such.

Do you genuinely equate one's personality or charisma (I am assuming you feel you possess both in spades) on the basis of whether or not they smoke?

[BDunnell]

Funnily enough Bolton Midnight's links he posted himself have mentioned a lot of these other factors :laugh:

Indeed. Posting a list of links does not, according to well-known science, equate to having read them.

[Daniel]

Only a few nights ago a black lass with the most enormous wangers (and I mean huge, like two babies heads they were) got a knee trembler in the lav whilst her chap was in the dullard section FaF watching him enjoy his smoke free bottle of Peroni through the window as my mate did his missus. Sod all to do with smoking just a question of personality / charisma. Pious knobs are usually devoid of such.

LOL. That just makes me laugh.

[BDunnell]

LOL. That just makes me laugh.

In a good way?

[Daniel]

In a good way?

I don't know, I really don't know.

[BDunnell]

I don't know, I really don't know.

Maybe there is a parallel pub universe of which I have no knowledge. Thank ****.

[Bolton Midnight]

Consulting Professor Google does not constitute working in the NHS, you know.

No-one doubts that the smoking ban has kept some people out of pubs. But this argument forgets two things. One is the fact — and it is a fact — that pub closures have been occurring at a steady rate for some considerable time, and that they didn't suddenly begin when the smoking ban was introduced, as you seem to be suggesting. Secondly, new people have been attracted to pubs by virtue of the absence of smoking.

I would add that your citing of an article by the Freedom Association, one of the most bonkers right-wing groups going, loses you further credibility.

Are you unable to deal with two things? The links from Google relate to me saying the ban is a massive contributing factor to the massive increase in pub closures post ban, grasp that yet?

My working within the NHS every single day has sod all to do with the links, got that?

As I have said several times it increased post ban, I never said it started post ban have I?

The non smokers are clearly less in number if any and must spend a lot less otherwise the pubs wouldn't be closing at such a rate, FFS do the maths.

[Daniel]

Maybe there is a parallel pub universe of which I have no knowledge. Thank ****.

Perhaps. I'm glad I don't live in a world where people are shagging each other in toilets and so on :mark:

[Daniel]

Are you unable to deal with two things? The links from Google relate to me saying the ban is a massive contributing factor to the massive increase in pub closures post ban, grasp that yet?

My working within the NHS every single day has sod all to do with the links, got that?

As I have said several times it increased post ban, I never said it started post ban have I?

The non smokers are clearly less in number if any and must spend a lot less otherwise the pubs wouldn't be closing at such a rate, FFS do the maths.

Up until now I thought you were just trolling, but you actually believe this don't you? :confused:

[Bolton Midnight]

Funnily enough Bolton Midnight's links he posted himself have mentioned a lot of these other factors :laugh:

I don't doubt that smoking is a small factor in some of the closures, I'm sure there are a few people out there who resent having to go outside to have a fag. I also suspect that there are a lot of people like myself who simply hated being in pubs before and never would have gone in, but now will happily go into pubs and have a pint of coke which probably earns the pub more than that pint of lager the person I'm with is having.....

I have never once suggested that the smoking ban is the sole reason, primary or at worst secondary reason for the sudden escalation (and all those links seem to agree with me).

Again clearly not enough of them.

[donKey jote]

Up until now I thought you were just trolling, but you actually believe this don't you? :confused:
be nice to him you lot, his missus isn't back from the pub yet :p

[Bolton Midnight]

The term 'medical professional' does indeed refer mainly to doctors and other clinicians, I'm sure you know that.

But then again from your ignorance of how the developments in the NHS over the past decade its clear you don't hold a post of great importance.

No it does not.

wtf are you babbling on about, you're not making any sense at all.

[BDunnell]

Perhaps. I'm glad I don't live in a world where people are shagging each other in toilets and so on :mark:

Quite. Nor in a world where said story is deemed amusing, rather than the behaviour involved being viewed as depressingly vulgar, tawdry and unpleasant.

[BDunnell]

No it does not.

wtf are you babbling on about, you're not making any sense at all.

This has to be the best yet. Keep it up, Bolton Midnight!

[Daniel]

I have never once suggested that the smoking ban is the sole reason, primary or at worst secondary reason for the sudden escalation (and all those links seem to agree with me).

Again clearly not enough of them.

The thing is BM, the vast majority of people don't smoke and I believe I represent most non-smokers when I say that we don't like going out into smokey environments and coming home smelling of smoke.

Tbh I actually agree in principal with establishments being able to be smoking establishments, but you make your points so stupidly and with such ridiculous logic that it's impossible to side with you.

[BDunnell]

My working within the NHS every single day has sod all to do with the links, got that?

By the look of your contributions here, your working within the NHS every day has sod all to do with reality.

[BDunnell]

The thing is BM, the vast majority of people don't smoke and I believe I represent most non-smokers when I say that we don't like going out into smokey environments and coming home smelling of smoke.

Tbh I actually agree in principal with establishments being able to be smoking establishments, but you make your points so stupidly and with such ridiculous logic that it's impossible to side with you.

But don't you realise, Daniel — smoking pubs existed before non-smoking pubs, and never shall the world move on!

[Daniel]

Quite. Nor in a world where said story is deemed amusing, rather than the behaviour involved being viewed as depressingly vulgar, tawdry and unpleasant.

But man, she had wangers which were like the size of two babies heads!!!!!

I've got it! BM is actually James Allen, remember when he said the g-force on a drivers head of a certain corner was like having a large dog (I think a labrador or golden retriever) strapped to the side of his helmet :laugh:

[Bolton Midnight]

What you mean is that 'a simple yes/no is all I can understand'.

Why should the choice available be a smoke-filled pub or no pub?

Do you genuinely equate one's personality or charisma (I am assuming you feel you possess both in spades) on the basis of whether or not they smoke?

No it's just quicker than reading your usual verbal diarrhoea.

Did you miss the bit about it not being smoking related, clearly that's a yes.

[BDunnell]

I've got it! BM is actually James Allen, remember when he said the g-force on a drivers head of a certain corner was like having a large dog (I think a labrador or golden retriever) strapped to the side of his helmet :laugh:

I actually found that line funny, as I did the BBC's John Simpson when he said: 'I think at that point a doubt crept into his mind, a doubt literally no larger than a man's hand.'

[Bolton Midnight]

Indeed. Posting a list of links does not, according to well-known science, equate to having read them.

Read them enough to know that they ALL mentioned the smoking ban as a chief contributor to the sudden escalation in pub closures - which is what I have been saying all along yet some folk seem so pig headed, stupid and glib they refuse to see what is staring them in the face.

[BDunnell]

Read them enough to know that they ALL mentioned the smoking ban as a chief contributor to the sudden escalation in pub closures - which is what I have been saying all along yet some folk seem so pig headed, stupid and glib they refuse to see what is staring them in the face.

And ignored all other factors, as well as those, such as one other contributor to this thread, whose experience of working within the NHS is actually genuine.

[Bolton Midnight]

LOL. That just makes me laugh.

Wasn't your lass was it?

Black lass, long straight hair, Candy or something like that, loads of slap on, bra too small but hardly a surprise re the size of her norks, bright red porn star platform high heels??

[Bolton Midnight]

Maybe there is a parallel pub universe of which I have no knowledge. Thank ****.

Have you ever actually been in a pub/bar?

Just the more you type the more I suspect you haven't. Either not old enough or have no mates to go out with.

[BDunnell]

Have you ever actually been in a pub/bar?

Just the more you type the more I suspect you haven't. Either not old enough or have no mates to go out with.

It just gets better and better!

[Daniel]

Wasn't your lass was it?

Black lass, long straight hair, Candy or something like that, loads of slap on, bra too small but hardly a surprise re the size of her norks, bright red porn star platform high heels??

Yep, that sounds like her :p

[Bolton Midnight]

Perhaps. I'm glad I don't live in a world where people are shagging each other in toilets and so on :mark:

Oooh you should try it, good fun even better if their bloke is in the same bar/club it adds to the excitement.

But when the urge arrives, quicker and easier than doing it a car or finding a travelodge with rooms going.

[Daniel]

Oooh you should try it, good fun even better if their bloke is in the same bar/club it adds to the excitement.

But when the urge arrives, quicker and easier than doing it a car or finding a travelodge with rooms going.

Hmmmm, I'll stick to a monogamous relationship if it's all the same to you :laugh:

[Bolton Midnight]

Yep, that sounds like her :p

Hope you didn't go down on her later on, urgh somebody else's creampie

[BDunnell]

Oooh you should try it, good fun even better if their bloke is in the same bar/club it adds to the excitement.

What fantastic company you keep.

Advise your patients on sexual health as well, do you?

[Bolton Midnight]

Hmmmm, I'll stick to a monogamous relationship if it's all the same to you :laugh:

I'm very happily married myself but haven't always been.

[Bolton Midnight]

What fantastic company you keep.

Advise your patients on sexual health as well, do you?

We have fun, you should try it some time, when you're old enough or find some real pals maybe.

Hell no, not part of my remit, well it is but a very very small part and some other body should have dealt with it long before it becomes my responsibility.

[Daniel]

I'm very happily married myself but haven't always been.

I can't imagine why you'd ever have any issues with your marriage :confused:

[BDunnell]

We have fun, you should try it some time, when you're old enough or find some real pals maybe.

Great repartee, sir!



Hell no, not part of my remit, well it is but a very very small part and some other body should have dealt with it long before it becomes my responsibility.

Ah, yes, these 'responsibilities' within the NHS about which you are so keen to tell us, while somehow never disclosing their exact nature.

[Bolton Midnight]

I can't imagine why you'd ever have any issues with your marriage :confused:

No, I haven't always been married.

[BDunnell]

I can't imagine why you'd ever have any issues with your marriage :confused:

I reckon the trouble started when he accused her of being no 'fun' for refusing to enjoy a tender, romantic moment of intimacy on a bus, in a public lavatory, or similar setting.

[BDunnell]

No, I haven't always been married.

Hold the front page!

[Bolton Midnight]

Great repartee, sir!

Ah, yes, these 'responsibilities' within the NHS about which you are so keen to tell us, while somehow never disclosing their exact nature.

Thank you, maybe you could go to wood work classes and make some friends boom tish

Exactly, it's private like which public school I attended and besides seems to get you all hissy if nowt else.

[Daniel]

I reckon the trouble started when he accused her of being no 'fun' for refusing to enjoy a tender, romantic moment of intimacy on a bus, in a public lavatory, or similar setting.

Well. She's a prude if she doesn't want to with you and a slut if she does it with anyone else....

[BDunnell]

Thank you, maybe you could go to wood work classes and make some friends boom tish

Exactly, it's private like which public school I attended and besides seems to get you all hissy if nowt else.

You do realise other people can read what you're writing, don't you?

[Bolton Midnight]

Hold the front page!

Have you ever had a girlfriend? I'm suspecting not.

What is it; bit fat, bit of a loser, impotent, ugly, greasy etc come on you're amongst friends (well nearest you'll ever get) fess all.

Big user of pornography are you? Wet the bed still? Think you should be bedding a supermodel but only ever seem to meet Susan Boyle types? Peeping Tom maybe, panty sniffer is it?

[Bolton Midnight]

Well. She's a prude if she doesn't want to with you and a slut if she does it with anyone else....

So true

As Jerry Hall said: “My mother said it was simple to keep a man, you must be a maid in the living room, a cook in the kitchen and a whore in the bedroom. I said I'd hire the other two and take care of the bedroom bit”

but Bumdell won't really understand any of that

[Daniel]

Have you ever had a girlfriend? I'm suspecting not.

What is it; bit fat, bit of a loser, impotent, ugly, greasy etc come on you're amongst friends (well nearest you'll ever get) fess all.

Big user of pornography are you? Wet the bed still? Think you should be bedding a supermodel but only ever seem to meet Susan Boyle types? Peeping Tom maybe, panty sniffer is it?

Bwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaahhaa :D

[Bolton Midnight]

Bwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaahhaa :D

Am here to help the poor lamb

follow my advice he'll be fighting them off with a ****ty stick

[Bolton Midnight]

Seems he's gone off for a good cry

[Daniel]

Seems he's gone off for a good cry

Or perhaps I'm just having a laugh.....

[Bolton Midnight]

Or perhaps I'm just having a laugh.....

No I meant t'other dulard

well either that or a description of the black slapper has forced him to reach for the Kleenex and have a ham shank

[BDunnell]

Threads that genuinely make me laugh out loud are few and far between. This one, though...

Blimey.

[donKey jote]

It's certainly turning into a classic :laugh:

[Daniel]

It's certainly turning into a classic :laugh:

You would say that you willy chomping dullard :p

[BDunnell]

Or perhaps I'm just having a laugh.....

Do you think, maybe, that you ought to re-post that somehow?

[donKey jote]

:rotflmao:

that's it! I'm reporting you to the forum PC police!

[Daniel]

:rotflmao:

that's it! I'm reporting you the the forum PC police!

I'm not keen on your namby pamby EU flag wearing types either you know. I bet you've got a rubber fetish too! Oh wait..... that's me.

[BDunnell]

:rotflmao:

that's it! I'm reporting you to the forum PC police!

It's not a police any more. It's a brigade of jack-booted stormtroopers, that's what the PC mob has turned into.

[Bolton Midnight]

No I meant t'other dulard

well either that or a description of the black slapper has forced him to reach for the Kleenex and have a ham shank

spoke to soon he's back

so then Bumdell lets try and get your social life / sex life / personality by pass sorted.

When did you first identify you were socially inept?

Have you been abused as a child?

Were you bullied at school / wet the bed etc?

Do women scare you?

Struggle to get it up?

Are you a stamp collector?

[donKey jote]

I'm not keen on your namby pamby EU flag wearing types either you know. I bet you've got a rubber fetish too! Oh wait..... that's me.

NHS slappers with big black smoking norks... oh wait! that's Bumton.

[Daniel]

spoke to soon he's back

so then Bumdell lets try and get your social life / sex life / personality by pass sorted.

When did you first identify you were socially inept?

Have you been abused as a child?

Were you bullied at school / wet the bed etc?

Do women scare you?

Struggle to get it up?

Are you a stamp collector?

Interested in phrenology are we?

Never mind......

[Bolton Midnight]

NHS slappers with big black smoking norks... oh wait! that's Bolton.

No she didn't even smoke, as so many of those that end up in OUR section, they bleat about fresh air etc then come and join us in OUR smelly part of the pub, defies all logic - but we are dealing with meddling self righteous knobs when all said and done.

[Bolton Midnight]

Interested in phrenology are we?

Never mind......

Think he's gone off for another sob

must have bought back some painful memories for him

[donKey jote]

they must be pretty desperate. Not a nice place to live eh?

[Daniel]

Think he's gone off for another sob

must have bought back some painful memories for him

You don't know what phrenology is do you.......

[Daniel]

they must be pretty desperate. Not a nice place to live eh?

But man, she had norks the size of 2 babies heads she did!!!!

[donKey jote]

and porn star shoes :s ailor:

[Bolton Midnight]

You don't know what phrenology is do you.......

yep



But man, she had norks the size of 2 babies heads she did!!!!

they were mahoosive J cups at least

[BDunnell]

they must be pretty desperate. Not a nice place to live eh?

It must be a nice place to live. Highly-trained NHS professionals live there!

[BDunnell]

yep

Good answer!

[Bolton Midnight]

It must be a nice place to live. Highly-trained NHS professionals live there!

Britain you mean?

Was so much better pre 97, but it'll get good again, a few lightweights apart we're now being run by the proper party.

[Bolton Midnight]

Good answer!

I know, precise, clear, snappy call it what you want. You should try it sometime.

Now then are ready for your therapy session yet?

smoke is not just bad for your health but for your family, your friends living around you when u are smoking. Right? In order to keep hard away from ur daughter or ur son, control u smoke from today throught it is hard to control. My ancle smoked for 40 years and 50 pieces of cigerator perday before while he had already quit that bad habit

[Dave B]

Those areas are busiest because the majority of pub/bar goers are also smokers, nothing more complex than that. I have a few mates who run bars/clubs in my local town and they have to cater for the smokers as they know that is what the vast majority of their customers want.
If (and it's a massive "if") your anecdotal evidence is correct in the face of the actual evidence, then judging by what you say it's not a problem anyway as people are choosing to visit pubs and use the smoking areas. If the market decides that smoking areas are popular - as you suggest - then there's no need for a change in the law.

[Daniel]

If (and it's a massive "if") your anecdotal evidence is correct in the face of the actual evidence, then judging by what you say it's not a problem anyway as people are choosing to visit pubs and use the smoking areas. If the market decides that smoking areas are popular - as you suggest - then there's no need for a change in the law.

What do you mean "actual evidence"? Once you say FACT, something automatically becomes the truth and be used as evidence :p Tru dat!

[SGWilko]

non smokers die all the time, sad but true.

Can't live forever you know. ;)

[SGWilko]

2 pubs a day pre ban, 5 pubs a day post ban

but hey lets not get too sentimental about those 3 businesses going under, probably nowhere near where you live so who gives a flying **** eh?

More to do with current financial climate, pub chains increasing their charges to franchise holders etc and, the killer, significantly cheaper access to alcohol from supermarkets - why would you go to a pub and pay £7 for two pints, when you can buy 10+ cans for that price?

[SGWilko]

In what way does the freedom to choose to smoke override my freedom in terms of not wishing to breathe it in?

:up:

Walking out of my rail station (London Victoria) is like appearing on 'Stars in Their Eyes' with the amount of cigarette smoke billowing around - "Tonight Matthew, I am going to attempt to go the way of Roy Castle"

[SGWilko]

Nope, again not everyone employed directly or indirectly within the NHS is a doctor or a nurse you know?

Porter/domestic?

[Bolton Midnight]

If (and it's a massive "if") your anecdotal evidence is correct in the face of the actual evidence, then judging by what you say it's not a problem anyway as people are choosing to visit pubs and use the smoking areas. If the market decides that smoking areas are popular - as you suggest - then there's no need for a change in the law.

No it is like that because the vast majority of regular drinkers are also smokers, just means that one area is full but the rest of the pub is emptier than it used to be.

[Bolton Midnight]

Porter/domestic?

No, for the hard of understanding, I do not work in a hospital and they are not professional are they, well unless Liebour created a new degree at some ex Poly for thick kids to feel good about saying they have a degree.


More to do with current financial climate, pub chains increasing their charges to franchise holders etc and, the killer, significantly cheaper access to alcohol from supermarkets - why would you go to a pub and pay £7 for two pints, when you can buy 10+ cans for that price?

Read the links I put up, they explain everything.

Yes the recession, breweries, supermarkets etc played a part in the sudden decline but one of if not the main reason was the smoking ban. Last big recession was in the 90s and pubs weren't dropping like flies back then were they? Besides the recession is over and the pubs are still vanishing so clearly nowt to do with that.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

No it is like that because the vast majority of regular drinkers are also smokers, .

No they are not. FACT.

[Bolton Midnight]

Okay all big drinkers are health freaks who and treat their bodies as temples

oh hang on errr

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Okay all big drinkers are health freaks who and treat their bodies as temples

oh hang on errr

Who is suggesting that? :erm:

Out of my social circle that I regularly go drinking with only about 3 out of 20 smoke. All the smokers are women which is interesting.

[donKey jote]

Porter/domestic?

well I guess someone has to clean the ashtrays by the doors ...

[donKey jote]

No they are not. FACT.

They ARE in Bolton at Midnight. And the slappers all have mahoosive black norks. FACT.

[Bolton Midnight]

Who is suggesting that? :erm:

Out of my social circle that I regularly go drinking with only about 3 out of 20 smoke. All the smokers are women which is interesting.

My group of friends the ratio is fairly similar to yours but then I'm not 21 any more, of the youngsters the amount of smokers is more and like your group esp where females are concerned.

But nip along to say Owd Nells or Eagle & Child and clock just how many smokers there are, over 50% easily and that percentage increases if it is something like a working mans club.

[Bolton Midnight]

well I guess someone has to clean the ashtrays by the doors ...

Two local hospitals don't have ashtrays, clueless over paid public sector non jobs did away with them so now the smokers just use the floor.

[Bolton Midnight]

Lovely. It is your human right to smoke and I think the NHS are irresponsible removing ashtrays and sending out a poor message that smoking is not acceptable and they are unsupportive of it lol. I should imagine when you've seen a cancer ward, it kind of hits home the damage smoking can do to the human body and why its good for everyone to have it as taboo as possible.

The majority of drinkers are not smokers and smoking area's are not the busiest parts of pubs in my experience. certainly not in the London, the South, and Wales. Going to a pub and chucking poison down your neck is the choice of the individual and its doesn't directly affect anybody else in the pub. Smoking involves everybody as they breath in the smoke whether they choose to or not. You can be selfish and say 'well don't go to the pub then' but how is that even relevant? Pubs are drinking establishments designed to serve people alcohol, food, and a friendly atmosphere. Smoking is an unsocialble bi-product that a minority of people have chosen to do and that is their business, nobody elses, which is why pubs are kind enough to accomodate them with designated outdoor, ventilated area's etc etc. Cigarette machines used to be in every pub yet are rarer than rocking horse s**t now and when you do find them they usually charge around £7.00 for a packet. The plan seems to be working perfectly.

I don't think they have beer gardens either!

Have seen plenty of folk with cancer, the vast majority non smokers, but hey lets not let facts get in the way of a clueless rant. You only have to look at the likes of Alex Higgins to see the damage drink does far outweighs the nasty tabs, when are we banning booze?

Wind St in Swansea is one big smoking zone, certainly more folk out on the pavements than actually inside the bars, but again lets not let facts get in the way of a clueless rant.

You've answered your own question re the cigarette machines, not cost effective.

I've never known anyone glass someone after having too many Rothmans, have you, no, but again lets not let facts get in the way of a clueless rant.

Or how many deaths are caused by somebody smoking whilst driving, again lets not let facts get in the way of a clueless rant.

But I'd not worry too much re what pubs do as soon there'll be hardly any left thanks to the smoking ban, but who cares if a family loses its livelihood or the local community loses its focal point just as long as your shirt doesn't smell when you're out drinking poison; well apart from the usual smells associated with a night out, I'd rather wash my clothing but I'm funny like that rather than wanting to wear the same shirt for a fortnight!

[Bolton Midnight]

Haha what a clueless rant.

Not completely you were correct about it being a human right to smoke if you so desire. So don't be too harsh on yourself.

[Malbec]

I should imagine when you've seen a cancer ward, it kind of hits home the damage smoking can do to the human body and why its good for everyone to have it as taboo as possible.

Actually the vascular wards are much worse and are filled with smokers. Used to spend a bit of time back in my junior days amputating their legs, they were in so much pain that they'd be begging us to remove them. Still, the poor buggers were so addicted to nicotine they'd wheelchair themselves out to the entrance and smoke some more.... The diabetic ones had it worst.

[Bolton Midnight]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/30/Point_over_your_head.jpg

keep digging

[Bolton Midnight]

Actually the vascular wards are much worse and are filled with smokers. Used to spend a bit of time back in my junior days amputating their legs, they were in so much pain that they'd be begging us to remove them. Still, the poor buggers were so addicted to nicotine they'd wheelchair themselves out to the entrance and smoke some more.... The diabetic ones had it worst.

Saw a chap with one of those holes in his neck outside a hospital having a smoke, had to admire his dedication :-)

[Knock-on]

Haha what a clueless rant.

Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience ;)

BM does a bit of an ioan whereby you throw enough unsubstantiated and unsustainable crap into a discussion in the hope some of it sticks.

Then he comes out with "facts" such as "More non smokers die each year in this country than smokers" thinking this is in some way clever.

You cannot rationalise with this sort of person. I've tried with others in the past. Best just to move on and abandon this thread to the Gods and don't feed the Trolls :)

[donKey jote]

Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience ;)

gorzrm_Ci6A

[Bolton Midnight]

Happy times, when folk weren't so stupid they needed a Nanny State to tell them what to do and where to do it, ho-hum.

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In fact looking at some of those pictures it shows that motor sport can be a bit dangerous and not to just those taking part, mmmm maybe Nanny knows best should look into banning it, just to be on the safe side of course as one needs to protect the tards of society.

[airshifter]

.........mmmm maybe Nanny knows best should look into banning it.........

I agree. Where is Nanny Mark when you need him? And for the record nobody has called you "it"... at least not yet. :)

[SGWilko]

Saw a chap with one of those holes in his neck outside a hospital having a smoke, had to admire his dedication :-)

Dedication - you sure? That's just plain pig headed stupidity. So hooked on the cigarettes that, even though he's had to have a tracheotomy due most likely to cancer caused by the cigarettes, he continues down that path.....

I bet he has NWS written above his hospital bed.......

[AstonMartin]

hate smoking..it makes me sick when i wake up in the morning
and in the bus station everybody smokes.

[Bolton Midnight]

Dedication - you sure? That's just plain pig headed stupidity. So hooked on the cigarettes that, even though he's had to have a tracheotomy due most likely to cancer caused by the cigarettes, he continues down that path.....


Was being slightly tongue in cheek doh.

Have a cuppa then before your first fag Aston.

[Knock-on]

gorzrm_Ci6A

Excellent. That's going on my FB :)

[GridGirl]

I met with the finance director of a major UK supermarket today. Interestingly he told me that the supermarkets biggest weekly spend is on tobacco. It actually quite shocked me when he said that they spend £40m per week on tobacco. :s

[Bolton Midnight]

Aye all that lovely duty, without it everyone would be at least £500 a year worse off, smokers should be thanked and treated like royalty not second class citizens they are helping the nation.

Glad to say I get all my tabs duty free though.

[SGWilko]

Aye all that lovely duty, without it everyone would be at least £500 a year worse off, smokers should be thanked and treated like royalty not second class citizens they are helping the nation.

Glad to say I get all my tabs duty free though.

Without all the smoking related illnesses overburdening the health system, we would not need the duty from the cigarettes......

[Bolton Midnight]

Without all the smoking related illnesses overburdening the health system, we would not need the duty from the cigarettes......

Nope, smoking brings in a massive net profit for the country, treating all its ills is a drop in the ocean compared with the revenue it creates. (there are links earlier in the thread if you are one of these dullards that need a link to show them night follows day)

Nice try but no cigar. Booze costs a lot more to treat than smoking - ban it now along with motor sport wahey ban this ban that

[BDunnell]

Nope, smoking brings in a massive net profit for the country, treating all its ills is a drop in the ocean compared with the revenue it creates. (there are links earlier in the thread if you are one of these dullards that need a link to show them night follows day)

Nice try but no cigar. Booze costs a lot more to treat than smoking - ban it now along with motor sport wahey ban this ban that

Am I alone in thinking that your increased contributions on recent days amount to trolling?

[Bolton Midnight]

Am I alone in thinking that your increased contributions on recent days amount to trolling?

No, why?

Not my problem if you're stumped is it? Why won't you answer any of my questions re your personality disorders?

[Captain VXR]

To be honest, I hate anti smoking nazis, and also militant smokers who think its their right to light up wherever they please
Not a smoker myself, well not tobacco anyway. I've tried cigarettes and roll ups, neither did anything for me and I don't fancy lung cancer, amputations, throat cancer, mouth cancer, an addiction that takes over my life and wallet etc etc

[Bolton Midnight]

To be honest, I hate anti smoking nazis, and also militant smokers who think its their right to light up wherever they please
Not a smoker myself, well not tobacco anyway. I've tried cigarettes and roll ups, neither did anything for me and I don't fancy lung cancer, amputations, throat cancer, mouth cancer, an addiction that takes over my life and wallet etc etc

Do you drink or drive fast? (not at the same time of course)