Korean GP

[Daniel]

Forecast is for 5 minutes of heavy whining from Alonso, Button and Webber then we go racing

[AndyL]

Lewis: "The track is fine, the visibility is good. I have three cars in front of me and I can see"

[Daika]

The sad thing is that I have an excellent campy and ridiculous Star Wars novel about a Jedi fighting Sith Lords from different parts of time. I should have read it and not bothered with the ladies there.

Did they destroy the ring?

[F1boat]

lol, couldn't agree more..
Just had this memory about 2x45min kart race couple of years ago in Moscow, it was -25C, rain tyres, and no additional clothing, just a rain suit. No one complained, most guys said then that it was one of their best experience ever :D

Real men, who race for fun and not for money.

[ioan]

Why not just can the race today and go out on Monday? The teams would still be there, they charter their own planes around the world, it's not like it's that much of an expense.

A Monday contingencyu plan would be far better than the roundy-roundy slow fest wel have now.

Nah, they have to give the spectators a race, a farce of a race that Mayländer will certainly win!

[truefan72]

I am embarrassed to be an F1 fan with this situation
I don't want to hear that crap from Massa and Alonso

let's have a race men and let the boys park it in the pits

[F1boat]

Did they destroy the ring?

In the first chapter they detroyed a populated moon, that was a great beginning for a story. Less is more my a$$. :D
On the other hand, it is sad that I have to discuss Star Wars in a F1 forum.

[steveaki13]

We have Alonso and Massa saying its still undrivable.

All beacuse their cars are not as good in the rain.

How low is F1 sinking if CW and race stewards think these messages are honest.

They clearly want no race and finish 3rd.

Farcical.

[donKey jote]

fastest lap for diGrassi :dozey:

[ioan]

Forecast is for 5 minutes of heavy whining from Alonso, Button and Webber then we go racing

He he!
I have to say that I am pleasantly surprised that so many of you guys are fed up with the crap we are being given by the FIA and some of these so called racers.

[ioan]

We have Alonso and Massa saying its still undrivable.

All beacuse their cars are not as good in the rain.

How low is F1 sinking if CW and race stewards think these messages are honest.

They clearly want no race and finish 3rd.

Farcical.

The cars are very good it's all about these sorry bums and their feather light feet.

[Sonic]

I reckon we can all get flights out to Korea, pull these muppets out of the cars and get in and have a go ourselves. Shotgun on the second McLaren!

[F1boat]

If it was a true torrential rain I would have still been frustrated, but I would understand the drivers. But this is pure farce. In way this rain is the worst in F1 history. And in reality they just have to drive more carefully.

[steveaki13]

Di Grassi awesome in the rain. Ha ha

[AndyL]

This is beautiful:

Lewis: "Are other people complaining? What's the reason why we're not starting?"

Pit: "Lewis we think other drivers don't have the same enthusiasm for starting the race at the moment."

Lewis: "Well it's a wet race? What do they expect?"

[Daika]

i haven't seen anybody in big trouble, so get rid of the SC!

[Retro Formula 1]

This Is A Joke!

[F1boat]

Lewis is right. This is worse than Indianopolis 2005. The race of shame.

[truefan72]

this is why I am a Hamilton Fan,
Say what you like about the guy but on sunday's he dispenses with this political BS and wants to go racing.
He is right, this condition is no worse than any other wet race we have so those complaining should reevaluate their priorities

[TMorel]

LMAO. This is a great comedy show.

I've felt Martin was off his game lately in terms of commentating, but I'm wondering if he was just bored (or bored of Leggard), he's certainly on form today, especially questioning if the safety car has enough fuel to go race distance.

To be honest, Lewis has the most to gain and the least to lose which is no doubt playing on his mind, but despite my view on his scruples and ethics, there is no doubting Lewis Hamilton is 110% pure racing driver

[Sonic]

this is why I am a Hamilton Fan,
Say what you like about the guy but on sunday's he dispenses with this political BS and wants to go racing.
He is right, this condition is no worse than any other wet race we have so those complaining should reevaluate their priorities

:up:

I may be warming up to the little liar ;)

[Daniel]

I've criticised Hamilton in the past, but not today.

[Dave B]

Funny how those with most to lose are the least enthusiastic to get racing ;)

[steveaki13]

Here's my bet.

SC in after 3 corners a collision and SC back out for some more laps. ;)

[ioan]

This is beautiful:

Lewis: "Are other people complaining? What's the reason why we're not starting?"

Pit: "Lewis we think other drivers don't have the same enthusiasm for starting the race at the moment."

Lewis: "Well it's a wet race? What do they expect?"

Pure gold! He's my favorite from now on! (who would have thought!)

PS: Our commentators are getting excited because they can see a few spots of blue sky! What a farce F1 has become. Poor Korean fans.

[Daniel]

Yep. This is a f***ing joke. The track is fine..... DRIVE.

[truefan72]

Lewis is right. This is worse than Indianopolis 2005. The race of shame.

It's getting close. 3:35 AM here and no race
but this is pathetic.
Di grassi easily catches up to the pack and is darn near half a minute faster

Kubica with another pathetic excuse

man, I am so frustrated

[Sonic]

These drivers have a SUPER licence FFS! Not average licences - get the frak out there or get the frak out of the way!

[Daika]

C'mom Hamilton!!!! Only person that want's to drive

[TMorel]

According to Jake Humphrey, Jensons dad, John Button is saying "Get on with it". Must be bad when your dad is telling you to get it on.

Interesting that Kubica is still saying no-go, have got a lot of respect for him, but it clashes so much with Lewis saying you could even go with inters !

[ioan]

Man let them race so I can see Lewis overtake the top 3 and then I am off to my Sunday plans that should be starting right now anyway!

PS: In 1 hour's time it will be dark anyway.

[donKey jote]

bout time !

[Mark]

Here we go!

[Daniel]

Finally.....

[donKey jote]

go lewis :D

[Dave B]

Here we go!

[Sonic]

Luzzi to shunt?

[ioan]

Lewis certainly won a lot of fans today, let's hope he can also win this race!

[Daniel]

Go Schuey!!!!

[donKey jote]

schumi takes kubi

[donKey jote]

barbie takes hammy

[TMorel]

Schumi and Nico are both up for it too !

[ioan]

Lewis losing a place, Rosberg and MS doing great right now!

[Mark]

Now they are racing conditions are fine!

[Daniel]

Go Schumi. Nail Button.

[ioan]

So, they can race just fine, as they could have 1 hour ago too.

[Daniel]

Yep ioan. What a joke.

[AndyL]

Crofty clueless :mad:

[donKey jote]

wettel pulling away from vebber

[Mark]

Webber out!

[TMorel]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
bugger bugger bugger

[ioan]

Webber is no good in these conditions, he also destroyed Rosbergs race! :\

[donKey jote]

OUCH

[truefan72]

drama!!!

[ioan]

SC again.

[F1boat]

here we go again... mark showed that he was under too much pressure.

[Daniel]

Webber you tard, if you didn't want to race you could have pulled off into the pits and not ruined Nico's race.

[rjbetty]

Red Bull must be delighted that Webber has gone out.

[ioan]

drama!!!

We will see today who is WDC material and who isn't.

[steveaki13]

SC out its too dangerous lets run it behind the SC from now on. ;) :p

[AndyL]

So it remains that no current championship leader has won a race this season.

[ioan]

Why doesn't RBR pit Vettel?! They might regret it later.

[Koz]

OMG.

[Daniel]

Wonder who Webber will blame for that?

[truefan72]

poor Rosberg!
man that guy gets no breaks

Webber! come on man, I'm a little sad for him

[F1boat]

I want Michael to win. A man can dream...

[Daika]

Good that Webber is out, he didn;t want to race anyway

[steveaki13]

Inters onto Saubers and Petrov. Kobayashi to win anyone???

[F1boat]

Inters onto Saubers and Petrov. Kobayashi to win anyone???

He is insane enough for that.

[ioan]

Wonder who Webber will blame for that?

Lewis, he was the only one who wanted to race! ;)

[Sonic]

Poor nico. But at least it was a RACING incident.

[Daniel]

I'd love to see Michael win too :)

[ioan]

OK guys I am off, I hope you get to see some more racing.

[Dave B]

Alonso was a lot more than 10 car lengths behind Vettel

[truefan72]

now that vettel has alonso and hamilton behind him, we will see

[F1boat]

Vettel BTW was excellent in the beginning, wonder what he was afraid from, he is a rainmaster.

[Daniel]

Have a good day Ioan :)

[steveaki13]

Bye ioan

[TMorel]

Am sure the gods are out to ruin my weekend.
My bike gets stolen, Mark is out. Am now expecting Vettel to drop it and Alonso to win :(

Any bets on if we'll get enough SC free laps to get the 75% race distance?

[Mark]

SC laps count towards the 75%

[TMorel]

Mark, am thinking more of the time limit and the slowness of laps under the safety car.

[donKey jote]

schumi takes button. Go Gramps ! :p

[Daniel]

Schuey!!!!!!

[Daika]

after BUtoon Schumi goes 2 sec faster!

[Daniel]

Buffoon got spanked

[donKey jote]

sheez toro's look so much like red bulls :s

[Mark]

SC again :(

[Daniel]

This is fun. Shows who's a monkey and who's a man.

[Daniel]

Alonso got boned. YAY!

[donKey jote]

ferrari pit :mad:

[SGWilko]

My goodness, such excitement and derring doo - what what?

[truefan72]

MSC needs to get past Massa who will of course do nothing behind Alonso

[Dave B]

Buemi needs a one race ban, my donkey so far.

[truefan72]

here is massa's chance to stick it to Ferrari
...but that will never happen

[truefan72]

Buemi needs a one race ban, my donkey so far.

not really, he lost it in the wets and that's that just like Webber

[TMorel]

Wow, Lewis's tyres gone already!

[donKey jote]

will massa let schumi past ? :p

[Daniel]

Schumi to get past Massa soon?

[donKey jote]

go Rubens :p

[donKey jote]

sutil earning a few more points for donkey of the race :s

[Sonic]

Jenson getting mugged at every turn. Bye bye championship hopes.

[Daniel]

3 wheels on the front of Petrov's wagon.

[donKey jote]

vettel can't see :p

[Daniel]

Funny that :) I wonder if Alonso can see? ;)

[donKey jote]

lewis says light is fine :laugh:

[Daniel]

Lewis has been eating his carrots :)

[donKey jote]

Yesss

[TMorel]

Vettel "mummy says it's too dark to go out and play"
Lewis "it's fine, all fine"
Alonso "The championship is mine, all mine!"

[Ranger]

Vettel!!! :s hock:

[donKey jote]

stop the race it's too dark :p

[Daniel]

Poor Seb :(

[donKey jote]

let's see your finger now, seb :dozey:

Go Webber ! :p

[donKey jote]

sutil does a turkey vettel :s

[Daika]

Glad that Red Bull are out. They didn't wanted to race anyway.

[TMorel]

Alonso didn't want to race either. Lets hope him and Button drop the ball too so that the racers all benefit (am I really rooting for Lewis here? I feel dirrrty now)

What do the "experts" here think the state of Marks engine will be? The gearbox might be a bit scratched, but will this, his "good" engine be OK or is he now suddenly stuck with the well used lumps?

[rjbetty]

I actually feel pretty sorry for Vettel despite wanting Webber. That was tough.

[rjbetty]

Yeah that's good. Let's have Alonso out so the racers get rewarded!

[donKey jote]

lewis has thrown in the towel...

[donKey jote]

everyones tires are shot :o

[donKey jote]

2 sec in S1 :o

[donKey jote]

Yeah that's good. Let's have Alonso out so the racers get rewarded!

what racers? Alonso is the only one below 1:54 with a 1.51 :dozey:

[donKey jote]

hehe TOMAAA :D

[CaptainRaiden]

Not Alonso! ANYBODY but not Alonso! :mad: God I hate that guy. Well, at least he replaces Schumacher for me as the villain you would love to hate. :p

P.S: Get ready for the chest thumping and "are you with me" dance. :rolleyes:

[F1boat]

Am sure the gods are out to ruin my weekend.
My bike gets stolen, Mark is out. Am now expecting Vettel to drop it and Alonso to win :(


What the doctor ordered... LOL.
I AM DELIGHTED!!!

[Tazio]

:s ailor: Fred Yea Babe!!

[truefan72]

great race
congrats on Alonso, good result for Hamilton

plus it helps me in FGP :)

[AndyL]

Good work by Liuzzi.

[CaptainRaiden]

Alonso a good candidate for the joker laugh in the next Batman movie. WTF was that on the radio? Never seen a guy gloat this much on his competitors' misfortune. Anybody remember the celebration mid race at Suzuka 2006 when MS' engine blew?

[F1boat]

great race
congrats on Alonso, good result for Hamilton

plus it helps me in FGP :)
Yes, Alonso and Lewis were very good, as well as Vettel and M Schumacher.

[truefan72]

I am happy for Korea that they got the whole race in and got some action

Good race, should be even better next year

[RJL25]

So, two races to go, Webber is 11 points behind Alonso, Vettel is 25.

Does RBR have to support Webber now or do they still support both equally and potentially no one wins?

[F1boat]

Alonso a good candidate for the joker laugh in the next Batman movie. WTF was that on the radio? Never seen a guy gloat this much on his competitors' misfortune. Anybody remember the celebration mid race at Suzuka 2006 when MS' engine blew?

Nurburgring 2005 tops all, but it for me when a team puts everything into speed it is OK for a driver with a slower, but more reliable car to celebrate when something like this happens.

[rjbetty]

what racers? Alonso is the only one below 1:54 with a 1.51 :dozey:

I mean the ones who wanted to race at the start. But then Lewis probably only wanted to race cos he had nothing to lose! Alonso has done well today I have to say.

[F1boat]

I am happy for Korea that they got the whole race in and got some action


YES!

[donKey jote]

tititirriiiiiii
pacumpachumpachun
tititiriiri tiriiri tiri

[donKey jote]

at least ioan will be happy... Massa got a podium :laugh:

[RJL25]

Alonso only needs a 4th and a 3rd in the final two GP's to see off Vettel, so again, does RBR need to support just Webber now?

Putting aside the fact that today was Webbers own fault and not Vettel's, he was just unlucky, does RBR need to put emotion aside and back the one horse for the championship or potentially risk neither driver winning it?

I think they do...

[Tazio]

Alonso a good candidate for the joker laugh in the next Batman movie. WTF was that on the radio? Never seen a guy gloat this much on his competitors' misfortune. Anybody remember the celebration mid race at Suzuka 2006 when MS' engine blew?

Plus I'm sure he took this one by cheating
Really sour grapes X what's up with that. When Vettle wins a non eventful race he squels like a little girl. It's ok you'll get over it.
How's Kimi :kiss: ;)

[Dave B]

Lucky for Alonso that the stewards weren't bothered about him dropping more than 10 car lengths back from Vettel during one of the SC periods ;)

4 points in the lead now, plus the other 7 that he gained by cheating.

[Tazio]

at least ioan will be happy... Massa got a podium :laugh:

:s ailor:

[ShiftingGears]

Alonso only needs a 4th and a 3rd in the final two GP's to see off Vettel, so again, does RBR need to support just Webber now?

Putting aside the fact that today was Webbers own fault and not Vettel's, he was just unlucky, does RBR need to put emotion aside and back the one horse for the championship or potentially risk neither driver winning it?

I think they do...

RBR should be about to, after all Alonso just needs to finish ahead of Vettel in Brazil to write off Vettel's championship fight.

However judging by Marko's embrace of Vettel, I don't think RBR are likely to do so!

[VkmSpouge]

A very disjointed race, for once maybe the race would have been better without rain. Still congratulations to Fernadno Alonso for winning and taking the championship lead. Mark Webber blew it and then Renault blew it for Sebastian Vettel. Lewis Hamilton drove well but I don't think his mistake into turn 1 at the restart cost him chance of victory as he was completely unable to match Alonso's pace towards the end of the race.

[CaptainRaiden]

Plus I'm sure he took this one by cheating
Really sour grapes X what's up with that. When Vettle wins a non eventful race he squels like a little girl. It's ok you'll get over it.
How's Kimi :kiss: ;)

Is that you Tazio?

Anyway, who says I like Vettel either when he screams like a little fat girl who sees pork after lent? I won't get over Alonso winning, EVER. :( And it looks more and more likely that he'll take the WDC this year. :mad:

(Off to learn witchcraft to put a hex on the number 8 Ferrari :devil: )

[RJL25]

Webber basically needs to win at least one of the remaining GP's, and finnish infront of Alonso in the other.

I honestly cannot see either Vettel or Hamilton winning it from here unless Alonso DNF's one of the final races.

[rjbetty]

I can tolerate Alonso as champion, as long as it's by +7 points!

[F1boat]

Which is possible. Nothing is sure yet, absolutely nothing. This championship is a thriller.

[fandango]

Lucky for Alonso that the stewards weren't bothered about him dropping more than 10 car lengths back from Vettel during one of the SC periods ;)

4 points in the lead now, plus the other 7 that he gained by cheating.

I don't think he actually dropped back, technically. I think that impression was the result of the safety car telling cars to pass etc. I think the gap was as a result of putting everyone in order. And I don't think there was any advantage gained.

[RJL25]

Out of interest, I'd love to see what the championship standings would be under last years point system, because under this system, everyone seems to get a second chance, or two, or eight!

[TMorel]

Fair play to Button for admitting it wasn't clever tactics to come in for inters when he did as he had no choice as had used up all his wets.

EJ says that McLaren needs Jenson to play support for Lewis and they have to bring in team orders, but is that really necessary as it doesn't seem there is much pressure from Button onto Hamilton anyway.

[donKey jote]

how about championship standings with the medal system ? :p

[steveaki13]

No but if he is ahead of Hamilton in Brazil he needs to move over, or he can hold someone up if needed rather than going all out for his own race.

[F1boat]

how about championship standings with the medal system ? :p

it would have been pretty similar, actually. With Jenson firmly out.

[fandango]

Alonso a good candidate for the joker laugh in the next Batman movie. WTF was that on the radio? Never seen a guy gloat this much on his competitors' misfortune. Anybody remember the celebration mid race at Suzuka 2006 when MS' engine blew?


Actually I thought of that retirement too. Were the blown engines caused by turning it up fend off Alonso's pressure? seems that way to me, but then again I thought Alonso was just laughing because he was happy, not gloating.

Brilliant drive by Hamilton, especially when you look at how Button drove.

[F1boat]

Fred IMO didn't really believe that he can compete with the Bulls for the WDC. He was laughing at his crazy luck IMO. Genuinely happy!

[truefan72]

Webber basically needs to win at least one of the remaining GP's, and finnish infront of Alonso in the other.

I honestly cannot see either Vettel or Hamilton winning it from here unless Alonso DNF's one of the final races.

which could happen right?

If Korea proved anything, it is that DNF's could happen

[Mia 01]

F1 is cruel sometimes.

Can Seb get a new engine for next race whitout penalty?

Marks engine is as new for he last two races.

We will see if Freds engine holds for another two races.

[Dave B]

Sutil & Buemi both given 5 place grid penalties for Brazil :up:

[555-04Q2]

Best race of the season IMO (once it actually started!). Ferrari's tactics are paying off handsomely now, favouring one car this late in the season (beging b!tching about cheating if you have an IQ of 50 or less). The Red Bull drivers don't want the WDC for some reason. Never seen two drivers in by far the best car all season fu@k up so much :( Alonso, WDC #3 is on its way!

[Dave B]

Sutil also fined $10,000 for continuing in the knowledge that he had brake problems.

[Dave B]

Best race of the season IMO (once it actually started!). Ferrari's tactics are paying off handsomely now, favouring one car this late in the season (beging b!tching about cheating if you have an IQ of 50 or less). The Red Bull drivers don't want the WDC for some reason. Never seen two drivers in by far the best car all season fu@k up so much :( Alonso, WDC #3 is on its way!
Guessing that the stewards and WMSC must have limited IQs then. Sorry, but Ferrari were found guilty of cheating - you can't dispute that fact.

[ShiftingGears]

Never seen two drivers in by far the best car all season fu@k up so much

By far the best car all season? :laugh:
Also, 1995.

[donKey jote]

We will see if Freds engine holds for another two races.
yep. We have been seeing if it holds for the last ... how many?

[555-04Q2]

Guessing that the stewards and WMSC must have limited IQs then. Sorry, but Ferrari were found guilty of cheating - you can't dispute that fact.

Yes. Race stewards have shown pathetically inconsistent penalties and decisions all year long. And BTW, just because a court or panel find you guilty, does not mean you are. How many times has the world criminal system got their rulings wrong? Millions of times. Maybe offering 50 was a bit generous...

[555-04Q2]

By far the best car all season? :laugh:
Also, 1995.

Which car has been the best then if not the Red Bull? Lotus maybe? :laugh:

[ShiftingGears]

Which car has been the best then if not the Red Bull? Lotus maybe? :laugh:

McLaren and Ferrari have had a few weekends where they have been the best cars on the grid. A far shot from "by far the best car all season". Hope that isn't too nuanced for you.

[555-04Q2]

McLaren and Ferrari have had several weekends where they have been the best cars on the grid. A far shot from "by far the best car all season". Hope that isn't too nuanced for you.

The pole position and front row lockout this season disprove your post. It's common knowledge that Red Bull have the best car. There have been only a handfull of races where Red Bull has not been the fastest car. The other 75% + has been all Vettel & Webber.

[fandango]

Guessing that the stewards and WMSC must have limited IQs then. Sorry, but Ferrari were found guilty of cheating - you can't dispute that fact.

This is absolutely true. They were fined accordingly. However, it is the job of all teams to get as close to breaking the rules without actually breaking them in order to gain an advantage, and at times they overstep the limit. That's why they get punished, and then everyone can move on.

Is it not also true that Hamilton's qualifying in Canada was cheating, when he did the extra lap without having the obligatory fuel quantity?

It's a valid point that Ferrari's punishment for Germany wasn't much of a punishment, but it's also possible to find other examples of the same thing, like for example Hamilton drive-through penalty in Valencia.

Now, I'm not deliberately attcking Hamilton, but would people please get down off their high horse and have a bit of consistency?

[ShiftingGears]

The pole position and front row lockout this season disprove your post. It's common knowledge that Red Bull have the best car. There have been only a handfull of races where Red Bull has not been the fastest car. The other 75% + has been all Vettel & Webber.

I'm glad you clarified and said most of the season, and not all of the season.

Their strong qualifying performance is aided by their ignition retardation systems, which only provides an advantage in qualifying, not the race.

Blaming the drivers would be overly simplistic, and overlooking reliability, poor strategy, and poor team management.

[fandango]

So did Red Bull turn up their engine because Alonso and Hamilton were breathing down Vettel's neck? Was that the cause of the engine failure, or just luck?

[ShiftingGears]

So did Red Bull turn up their engine because Alonso and Hamilton were breathing down Vettel's neck? Was that the cause of the engine failure, or just luck?

The obvious conclusion would be that Vettel is a carbreaker, for the less cognitive of us.

[555-04Q2]

I'm glad you clarified and said most of the season, and not all of the season.

Their strong qualifying performance is aided by their ignition retardation systems, which only provides an advantage in qualifying, not the race.

Blaming the drivers would be overly simplistic, and overlooking reliability, poor strategy, and poor team management.

I think what we are seeing is that Alonso and Hamilton are great drivers - the two best on the grid - and are punching above their cars competitiveness compared to the Red Bull drivers. I always thought Webber was a good driver, and Vettel is a future WDC for sure, but they have both made too many mistakes this year. This WDC and CC should have been won by now. Thankfully for us, the fans, it is still alive and well!

Red Bull management also needs to take a look in the mirror. A few silly decisons and reliability problems looks like losing them WDC championship. The CC should still be a doddle...though you never know!

[555-04Q2]

The obvious conclusion would be that Vettel is a carbreaker, for the less cognitive of us.

Well he was the one driving it, wasn't he ;)

[ShiftingGears]

Well he was the one driving it, wasn't he ;)

I honestly don't think a drivers driving style has anything at all to do with whether or not it blows up, as overrevving doesn't occur and kerb-riding was not prominent with any driver today. I think it's just a numbers game, with Newey preferring designs that compromise reliability for speed.

[555-04Q2]

I honestly don't think a drivers driving style has anything at all to do with whether or not it blows up, as overrevving doesn't occur and kerb-riding was not prominent with any driver today. I think it's just a numbers game, with Newey preferring designs that compromise reliability for speed.

You do know I was being sarcastic ;) You are right though, it is difficult for a driver to destroy engines these days with all the safety systems.

[ShiftingGears]

I think what we are seeing is that Alonso and Hamilton are great drivers - the two best on the grid - and are punching above their cars competitiveness compared to the Red Bull drivers. I always thought Webber was a good driver, and Vettel is a future WDC for sure, but they have both made too many mistakes this year. This WDC and CC should have been won by now. Thankfully for us, the fans, it is still alive and well!

Fernando's mid-season prior to Germany was pretty ordinary, but he has had excellent results since. Hamilton has been the most consistent, only Singapore and Monza being points of critisism as far as I'm concerned.


Red Bull management also needs to take a look in the mirror. A few silly decisons and reliability problems looks like losing them WDC championship. The CC should still be a doddle...though you never know!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87723

I agree. However if the driver's roles were reversed, I'm sure Marko would have different ideas.


You do know I was being sarcastic ;) You are right though, it is difficult for a driver to destroy engines these days with all the safety systems.

Oops :p :

[ShiftingGears]

You do know I was being sarcastic ;) You are right though, it is difficult for a driver to destroy engines these days with all the safety systems.

Oops :p :

[555-04Q2]

Fernando's mid-season prior to Germany was pretty ordinary, but he has had excellent results since. Hamilton has been the most consistent, only Singapore and Monza being points of critisism as far as I'm concerned.

I think Alonso was still finding his feet with Ferrari early in the season. He now seems settled and driving like the 2 X WDC he is. I think he will be a strong contender in 2011 again if Ferrari have a decent car.

Hamilton is just Hamilton...an all out racer like we used to see prior to professionalism and big business in the sport. He never gives in and his skills are sublime. I rank him behind Alonso only because Alonso has been around longer and is a 2 X WDC with an impressive resume. The future will determine which leaves the sport with the best career behind them.

[Dave B]

Maybe an explaination for MS's sudden turn of speed: Ted Kravitz reports that during the first stoppage Mercedes converted both cars to a full-wet setup, they don't believe that any other team made such a change.

It was great to see the old man get a good result, but there may have been more to it than pure driver ability.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9122188.stm

[555-04Q2]

Maybe an explaination for MS's sudden turn of speed: Ted Kravitz reports that during the first stoppage Mercedes converted both cars to a full-wet setup, they don't believe that any other team made such a change.

It was great to see the old man get a good result, but there may have been more to it than pure driver ability.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9122188.stm

Could be. But The Shoe was good in Japan and good today. He seems to be getting back into his rhythm. Brazil will confirm where he is at the moment.

[ShiftingGears]

It was great to see the old man get a good result, but there may have been more to it than pure driver ability.

I think it's being overlooked how well Nico was performing before he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[555-04Q2]

I think it's being overlooked how well Nico was performing before he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

True. Nico was going very well, as he has all season. He has been a class act this season :up:

[Dave B]

I think it's being overlooked how well Nico was performing before he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Difficult to tell. He passed Hamilton becuase the Brit made a mistake, and didn't really get a chance to demonstrate much else before being taken out. A shame, he an innocent victim today. If it's true that Mercedes alone had a full-wet setup, it could have been fascinating watching his progress.

[Hawkmoon]

Guessing that the stewards and WMSC must have limited IQs then. Sorry, but Ferrari were found guilty of cheating - you can't dispute that fact.

At the risk of flogging dead horses and derailing the thread, that's bull****.

Ferrari were guilty of breaking a rule. Not cheating. By your definition every driver who speeds in the pitlane is cheating.

[555-04Q2]

At the risk of flogging dead horses and derailing the thread, that's bull****.

Ferrari were guilty of breaking a rule. Not cheating. By your definition every driver who speeds in the pitlane is cheating.

Oh man you are farting against thunder !!!!!

[gloomyDAY]

I just got back home after being gone a few days.

Un****ingbelievable!

[wedge]

Best race of the season IMO (once it actually started!). Ferrari's tactics are paying off handsomely now, favouring one car this late in the season (beging b!tching about cheating if you have an IQ of 50 or less). The Red Bull drivers don't want the WDC for some reason. Never seen two drivers in by far the best car all season fu@k up so much :( Alonso, WDC #3 is on its way!

With the "monkeys at the back" I thought I was watching A1GP

[jens]

I reckon in Spain '96, Belgium '98 and other instances it was raining harder than in Korea '10, so the race control decisions were a bit of a joke. But that's contemporary F1 I guess then.

Already how many times has Alguersuari narrowly lost a point, which has seemed almost his either due to an accident, car problem, a penalty or a late-race pass... It's also notable, how Williams, who looked firmly set to take P6 in WCC with a few laps to go, suddenly threw that away due to worn inters and is still trailing Force India in the standings. Williams has looked faster for the whole second half of the season, but still aren't decisively managing to turn the battle in their favour points-wise. But it looks like a matter of time.

[Arjuna]

I honestly don't think a drivers driving style has anything at all to do with whether or not it blows up, as overrevving doesn't occur and kerb-riding was not prominent with any driver today. I think it's just a numbers game, with Newey preferring designs that compromise reliability for speed. Yeah speed isn't supposed to be gained from design at the cost of reliability, they should go simultaneously. I understand the car with aggressive driving style last less longer than those of smooth driving. Over rev may cause great change on valve clearance. :)

[Donney]

I think Alonso was not gloating, he was just extremely happy, especially if we consider his situation in the championship after GB. And his pitstop, I bet it brought back ghosts from the past.....

A shame about the Red Bull misfortunes, but at least hey stil have new engines.

And by the way, even if it was because he had not much to lose, I love racing drivers wanting to race, I like Hamilton much more than I used to like him before today!

[fandango]

I think Alonso was not gloating, he was just extremely happy, especially if we consider his situation in the championship after GB. And his pitstop, I bet it brought back ghosts from the past.....

A shame about the Red Bull misfortunes, but at least hey stil have new engines.

And by the way, even if it was because he had not much to lose, I love racing drivers wanting to race, I like Hamilton much more than I used to like him before today!

Yeah, I think he only seemed to be gloating to those who were listening in English ;)

Domenicalli had just spoken, but it sounded to me that the person who shouted "Avanti" wasn't Alonso, but someone else on the radio, his engineer I suppose, and that Alonso was reacting to that.

[555-04Q2]

I think Alonso was not gloating, he was just extremely happy

Alonso was p!ss!ng himself because he could not believe his luck. I think Alonso, just like the rest of the world, is wondering how the hell he got to the lead of the WDC. I mean, Red Bull should have won the WDC and CC by now!

[Easy Drifter]

Report from a Cdn. businessman who was in Korea and attended the race. It was on CMSHG and I do not have his name.
Grandstands were great.
Very few vendors.
Food was terrible and he got food poisoning.
Closest spectator hotel 1 1/2 hours away.

Food poisoning or somewhat similar is not uncommon if you are not used to a countries food.

[airshifter]

Wow.

I DVR'd the race, and didn't add enough time for all the delays. I got to something like lap 28. So I avoided spoilers for the day, and set to record the re-broadcast on Speed at 4pm, making sure to add plenty of extra time just in case.

Sucks to be Red Bull. Sucks to be Button.

It's great to be Ferrari, and for once Roamy can't joke on everybody about MS! :laugh:


Great to see the season come down to the wire like this.

[Dave B]

Great to see the season come down to the wire like this.
Whoever you support, this is the one thing we can all agree on :up:

[mike.flynn]

Alonso was p!ss!ng himself because he could not believe his luck. I think Alonso, just like the rest of the world, is wondering how the hell he got to the lead of the WDC. I mean, Red Bull should have won the WDC and CC by now!

I'm a Ferrari fan, but completely agree that red bull should have both championships in the bag by now. but this is what makes f1 exciting!

[555-04Q2]

I'm a Ferrari fan, but completely agree that red bull should have both championships in the bag by now. but this is what makes f1 exciting!

I agree 100% Mike.

BTW, welcome to the forum :up:

[mike.flynn]

I agree 100% Mike.

BTW, welcome to the forum :up:

Cheers, glad to part of the community