Rally de Espana

and why Loeb was winning in the xsara when he was not their leading driver during the sainz Mcrae era???

When McRae and Sainz arrived for 2003 season, Sebastien Loeb was already Citroen factory driver since 2001. he was already working with Didier Clement his dedicated car engineer at that time and still is even today. But my point, really is that Citroen wants to make their drivers confident, not only Loeb. Thanks for the question and sorry if i was not very clear at first. :)

[rage82]

Good for Turan, but i think it was a mistake to switch to the >Focus that way, he has surely lost time getting to know the car and learning set up, I guess we would have been even higher with the 307 so far.

May be tomorrow he could impress with much better times at catch teams attention.

I also think that with the 307 he can be much faster, but the focus is prepared by M-sport and maybe he want to try what is to drive a car serviced by manifacturer.

[MikeD]

Anybody knows what Turan has planned for next year? Does he have a budget for the WRC? He clearly looks good enough to be here....

[V.Gatev]

Somebody watch the live broadcast?I only see grey screen and some text in spanish :(

[Salist]

Do you see this?

http://www.elsesports.cat/motorafons/html/directes/

[pino makinen]

Somebody watch the live broadcast?I only see grey screen and some text in spanish :(

Try this: http://www.elsesports.cat/motorafons/html/directes/, though due to legal stuff it says bradcasting is only available in Spain.

Anyway, no live images, only a interview with Moya and Pons.

[Barreis]

Anybody knows what Turan has planned for next year? Does he have a budget for the WRC? He clearly looks good enough to be here....

+1

[N.O.T]

his times are definately encouraging....after one day of testing the car he can be faster than Wilson straight away....

[N.O.T]

Sordo eats the ford kids like nothing.....Solberg is next...

[Motorsportfun]

Try this: http://www.elsesports.cat/motorafons/html/directes/, though due to legal stuff it says bradcasting is only available in Spain.

Anyway, no live images, only a interview with Moya and Pons.

would like to see the live tv coverage from the SS :)

do you have any link to see it from foreign countries?

[rage82]

i think that the broadcasting will start at 16:30

[Salist]

...or spanish webproxy sites?

[pino makinen]

Sordo eats the ford kids like nothing.....Solberg is next...

Still has to push a bit more, Solberg ain't slow either. Tomorrow's 42km stage will decide.

[pino makinen]

would like to see the live tv coverage from the SS :)

do you have any link to see it from foreign countries?

Sorry, no links. Now they are showing yesterday's stages footage. I think stage to be shown is SS12, in half an hour. Try to click "connecta't ara" in this link: http://www.tv3.cat/directes/33.

Or try to find TV33 i some of these webs which show world's channels.

If I find anything else, I'll letyou know.

[AndyRAC]

Try this: http://www.elsesports.cat/motorafons/html/directes/, though due to legal stuff it says bradcasting is only available in Spain.


Anyway, no live images, only a interview with Moya and Pons.

So why isn't it on the WRC website??? It's 2010...., c'mon, get with it!!

[pino makinen]

So why isn't it on the WRC website??? It's 2010...., c'mon, get with it!!

I think it has nothing to do with WRC stuff. It is a local TV that decided to broadcast the stage.

Look for TV33 or Canal 33 Catalunya in some of those "watch on line" websites. Can't do more for you, sorry.

[Salist]

Sorry, no links. Now they are showing yesterday's stages footage. I think stage to be shown is SS12, in half an hour. Try to click "connecta't ara" in this link: http://www.tv3.cat/directes/33.

Or try to find TV33 i some of these webs which show world's channels.

If I find anything else, I'll letyou know.

It's work!!!
Thanks.

[pino makinen]

BTW, tomorrow's stage Priorat has been shortened, from 42 to 38 km (Luis Moya said).

[fmcv]

None of the links is working. We can still watch the initial add but when it comes to the real broadcast it just shows an error message.

[pucky54]

Can anyone from spain see the webstream or also getting the error message?

[pino makinen]

I'm watching it. Probably it is what I said before, some legal stuff and images are not available outside Spain. Sorry guys :(

[pino makinen]

Last chance:

http://www.tvporinternet.tv/es/canal-33

http://tvsonline.blogspot.com/2007/06/33.html

http://vertdtgratis.com/canal-33/

[noel157]

Nothing for me Pino, thanks for trying.

[BVB Rallying]

It's work!!!
Thanks.
How did you manage to watch the SS live? I can't get it working :(
I tested all the links above...

[pino makinen]

Weird, because I thought it was the local TV with their own cameras, but images are from the helico, incar cams,WRC icons&logos...isn't in the WRC web?

[rage82]

Thanks for the efforts mate, nothing's works for me either

[Salist]

How did you manage to watch the SS live? I can't get it working :(

Use a spanish webproxy!

[noel157]

How did you manage to watch the SS live? I can't get it working :(


Think Salist was a bit quick, he saw the advertisement and posted. Pity no feed.

[noel157]

URL please Salist, please.

[blissard]

Loeb 3 sek slower on split 3 than last pass.

[rage82]

give me please one spanish web proxy

[Salist]

http://www.xroxy.com/proxy-country-ES.htm

[Salist]

An other idea:
http://www.iprivacytools.com/

[rage82]

10x

[Northern Monkey]

Anyone else lost Rally Radio?

[pino makinen]

Good 3rd split for Solberg.

[blissard]

Yup, but it's back now.

[dimviii]

wrong

[Halvis]

Petter's not interested in being a moose - really charging!

[nr7wave]

Petter's not interested in being a moose - really charging!

Looks like there will be tapas and a Rioja for Petter :)

[pino makinen]

Looks like there will be tapas and a Rioja for Petter :)

:)

Let's wait for tomorrow's long stage, though it seems he'll have it.

[nr7wave]

Great driving from Petter. Really telling Sordo that he will have a lot of work to do tomorrow...

[Halvis]

Great driving from Petter! Hopefully, there will be no "setup-problems" tommorrow...

[Halvis]

Great driving from Petter. Really telling Sordo that he will have a lot of work to do tomorrow...

Good first sentence - something I could have written :)

Oh, wait, I did! Are you mini-me?

[nr7wave]

Good first sentence - something I could have written :)

Oh, wait, I did! Are you mini-me?

Funny! Wrote it exactly at the same time :)

[N.O.T]

very nice battle for tommorow...

[noel157]

Driver / media code words:

Struggling - driving like crap
Consistent - very ordinary driving
No confidence - driving like crap
Solid drive - very ordinary driving
Still learning - driving like crap
Notes are not right - driving like crap
Good top 10 finish - my granny is quicker

[bluuford]

Kangur/Järveoja had a punctures... and they forgot the jack into the service :-( So, he decided to retire before the stage nr 9.

[rage82]

Driver / media code words:

Struggling - driving like crap
Consistent - very ordinary driving
No confidence - driving like crap
Solid drive - very ordinary driving
Still learning - driving like crap
Notes are not right - driving like crap
Good top 10 finish - my granny is quicker

that's good
;)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/img_news/big/10066_ilustracni_foto_65d14ec171.jpg

More photos from Burkart crash HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/news.php?id=10066) ;)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/799/799_Spanelska_rally_e4e30217e6.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/799/799_Spanelska_rally_040b4906f2.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/799/799_Spanelska_rally_4b83a1913f.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/799/799_Spanelska_rally_0d07865889.jpg

More photos from 2nd tarmac leg HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=799&startpos=0&fseason=&fcat=&fauthor=&ftxt=) ;)

[tmx]

Didn't follow the rally, only look at the stage times. I can't believe Hirvonen is 5minutes behind Latvala and the rest of top drivers.

[Mirek]

Most of those 5 minutes are caused by turbo problem on SS10 ;)

[Barreis]

So good photos..

[ste898]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/799/799_Spanelska_rally_e4e30217e6.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/799/799_Spanelska_rally_040b4906f2.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/799/799_Spanelska_rally_4b83a1913f.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/799/799_Spanelska_rally_0d07865889.jpg

More photos from 2nd tarmac leg HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=799&startpos=0&fseason=&fcat=&fauthor=&ftxt=) ;)

Does'nt the Focus look old now and that hideous livery oh dear!!!

[Barreis]

Maybe if it is on the leading position it should look much better.. :D

[6789]

Ogiers and Blocks off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enau3rHqYH4&feature=sub

[JFL]

Ogiers and Blocks off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enau3rHqYH4&feature=sub

I wonder if Ogier could have saved that one if he did'nt get off the throttle... ?

[N.O.T]

the car was lost from the bad exit of the previous corner...not during the corner itself.

[jonkka]

Does'nt the Focus look old now and that hideous livery oh dear!!!

Nope. And please don't quote entire set of pics.

[nr7wave]

Seems like Petter is on form this morning :)

[jonkka]

No longer, he's begun to lose it...

[blissard]

Not too shabby, seems he'll keep the place.

[BVB Rallying]

Oow Lemes stopped on stage? Damn, what is it exciting the J-WRC this year!
Go Hans Go Hans !!!

[Sulland]

Cool fight with Al Qassimi and Henning on this one - tight fight !

[dimviii]

Τuran out :(

[darkstar]

I wonder if Ogier could have saved that one if he did'nt get off the throttle... ?

if the road had been a little wider there he might have saved it. would have been defenetly some nice drift in good old galli style then ;)

and ogier in problems again...

[ste898]

Another dire performance by Hirvoslow.....and yet (I dont have a clue) Malocolm Wilson will still defend him!!!

[pino makinen]

Morning guys!

Ogier may not be able to arrive to the service park.

Seems like Sordo's attack ain't going to be enough to catch Petter.

BTW, spanish media says (as I understood, probably in the words of Sordo's father) that there was some car problem in the 1st stage (maybe diffs) and that it look very suspicious. They say something similar happened in Finland, when being the 1st Citroen and after the first Service Park his setup was changed without asking so. They said that avoiding a good performance in Spain permits Citroen to negotiate a new program for next year (not the whole championship and the need of an sponsor).

[Barreis]

Τuran out :(

Must be stupid to pay to Mr.Wilson..

[John V]

Morning guys!

Ogier may not be able to arrive to the service park.

Seems like Sordo's attack ain't going to be enough to catch Petter.

BTW, spanish media says (as I understood, probably in the words of Sordo's father) ....
Btw. Do you know Sordo's father was the cause of changing Dani's co-driver? He is the man who's pulling the wires.

[Salist]

Τuran out :(

Grrrrrrrr... :-(

[Salist]

Frigyes Turán went off-road in km 40.2 and his Ford caught fire. Both driver and co-driver were flown away to hospital, as Turán had a broken collarbone.

[pino makinen]

Btw. Do you know Sordo's father was the cause of changing Dani's co-driver? He is the man who's pulling the wires.

I know Sordo's father has been pulling the wires since the very beginning of his carreer, you don't know how much he has done.

About Marc's affair, I don't know the exact cause , if you say it was because of Sordo Sr I believe you, but there also might be some reason behind it (you might know it better, but a friend of mine who's relative to Marc didn't tell me anything strange).

Anyway, I just posted it to let you know, Sordo don't pay my mortgage nor he makes me sleep with more or less women. Luckily, this is not like football, basket, handball,...rally drivers and teams come and go and what remains is just rallying, what I like (what a corny sentence!!!).

[Sulland]

Is the radio ok for you today, or is it in and out all the time ?

[JFL]

in and out yes..

[6789]

BTW, spanish media says (as I understood, probably in the words of Sordo's father) that there was some car problem in the 1st stage (maybe diffs) and that it look very suspicious. They say something similar happened in Finland, when being the 1st Citroen and after the first Service Park his setup was changed without asking so. They said that avoiding a good performance in Spain permits Citroen to negotiate a new program for next year (not the whole championship and the need of an sponsor).

That's a joke if true

[alleskids]

Ford and Citroen both handle their second, and third and fourt drivers as puppits on a string. Maybe Sordo should go to an privateer team, and show his real skills. PSWRT has plans to continue next year even if Petter will be a Citroen factory driver. Any driver with a budget can hire the team.

Non leading drivers in both Ford and Citroen team should hire a bodyguard to stay next near the car with a gun, 24/7, to prevent management sabotaging the car :(

[6789]

What's to stop Citroën playing tactics (mechanical) on Petter if he's under their control next year?

[Barreis]

Manufacturers should give their cars as a promotion to quick drivers and pay them to drive it as it was before.. It's an amateur sport with 4/5 professionals..

[pino makinen]

That's a joke if true

It all can be part of the negotiating proccess, maybe Dani's father tries to get some advantage from it, if it is possible, don't know. But what is true is the change of setup in Finland without asking, Dani said so.

[TMorel]

What ACTUALLY changed in Finland? Which settings were adjusted?

[dimviii]

Hahahahahahha!!
Loeb can t loose!
http://www.wrc.com/video/features/spain-2010-the-wrc-go-karting/?vid=1824

[BVB Rallying]

SS 15 just started... let's see what Sordo can do in 42 km...

[pino makinen]

What ACTUALLY changed in Finland? Which settings were adjusted?

He said something changed since in the morning car was ok and suddenly it become completely oversteering.

[pino makinen]

SS 15 just started... let's see what Sordo can do in 42 km...

Without problems Solberg should keep 2nd place.

[vkangas]

J-M is also really fast... A pity that he had to make the car setup again while race was going...

[jonkka]

Without problems Solberg should keep 2nd place.

If things progress like this, it'll be a real close shave...

[jonkka]

After split 5 Solberg's lead is down to 7.5 seconds

[John V]

It should be pretty tough between Petter and Dani, but think Dani not supposed it before, as he makes fools of Petter in France at final press conference :-)

Pino, my post was not intended against you, I'm pretty far of this kind of manner.

[pino makinen]

J-M is also really fast... A pity that he had to make the car setup again while race was going...

Yesterday Moya said on TV that Ford test days are nothing compared to Citroen's, these last spending much more money. Ford should spend more time in testing (if they can) and probably the championship would be more interesting.

[Sulland]

Lets see what happens a bit later in the stages, on the tire situation.

Petter looks to have control half way through !

[jonkka]

After split 5 Solberg's lead is down to 7.5 seconds
After split 6 Solberg's lead is down to 6.7 seconds

[TMorel]

He said something changed since in the morning car was ok and suddenly it become completely oversteering.
But he doesn't know what was different? So wasn't as if someone had twiddled with the dials, but rather "it didn't handle the same as the day before"

[pino makinen]

Pino, my post was not intended against you, I'm pretty far of this kind of manner.

Don't worry, I knew it. Sometimes writing gives a wrong impression of what we want to say, maybe my post also gave you the impression i got angry at you (wrote it quick), but I didn't.

No problemo.

[dimviii]

It should be pretty tough between Petter and Dani, but think Dani not supposed it before, as he makes fools of Petter in France at final press conference :-)


Can you explain it John?

[Sulland]

Yesterday Moya said on TV that Ford test days are nothing compared to Citroen's, these last spending much more money. Ford should spend more time in testing (if they can) and probably the championship would be more interesting.

This is where the key is, and I am afraid the situation will be the same with the DS3 and Fiesta. Citroen have done far more testing with top spec drivers, and not middle level drivers.

[jonkka]

After split 5 Solberg's lead is down to 7.5 seconds
After split 6 Solberg's lead is down to 6.7 seconds
After split 7 Solberg's lead is down to 6.1 seconds

[blissard]

What a fight... they are driving like crazy.

[jonkka]

After split 5 Solberg's lead is down to 7.5 seconds
After split 6 Solberg's lead is down to 6.7 seconds
After split 7 Solberg's lead is down to 6.1 seconds
After split 8 Solberg's lead is down to 5.3 seconds

[jonkka]

After split 5 Solberg's lead is down to 7.5 seconds
After split 6 Solberg's lead is down to 6.7 seconds
After split 7 Solberg's lead is down to 6.1 seconds
After split 8 Solberg's lead is down to 5.3 second
After split 9 Solberg's lead is up to 5.6 seconds

[dimviii]

After split 5 Solberg's lead is down to 7.5 seconds
After split 6 Solberg's lead is down to 6.7 seconds
After split 7 Solberg's lead is down to 6.1 seconds
After split 8 Solberg's lead is down to 5.3 seconds

Seems that Petter is going to keep 2nd place.

[jonkka]

should be OK for Petter

[John V]

Can you explain it John?
In brief, Petter said after his result in France is encouraging and looking forward to Catalunya, Dani turned to him and asked if he's going there for holidays and then said he's confident to win in Spain.

[pino makinen]

5.1s difference and Sordo's tires probably in worst condition.

[jonkka]

It seems that result between Petter and Dani will be so close that Dani can justifiably say that problems passing Mikko yesterday robbed him of 2nd overall.

[dimviii]

In brief, Petter said after his result in France is encouraging and looking forward to Catalunya, Dani turned to him and asked if he's going there for holidays and then said he's confident to win in Spain.
thanks John.

[vkangas]

J-M is looking a little too fast concidering he has nothing to win anymore... ;) But it's nice to see that he does not suck on tarmac anymore...

[N.O.T]

1 stage to go...very nice drive by peter and sordo...

[6789]

hey Pino, I didn't mean to say what you were saying was a joke more Citroën can be a joke at times.

Only if Loeb wasn't so good, Petter and Dani would be fighting for 1st instead of 2nd. Great battle.

[pino makinen]

hey Pino, I didn't mean to say what you were saying was a joke more Citroën can be a joke at times.

Only if Loeb wasn't so good, Petter and Dani would be fighting for 1st instead of 2nd. Great battle.

I know, my english again. I wanted to say that that change of setup was the joke.

Sorry guys, sometimes I may understand wrongly or seem to say what I'm not pretending. In general spanish people are not good in english, check Dani's (I think my english is better than his, though my driving is far much worst, hehe).

[BVB Rallying]

Hans Weijs stopped??? Oow no !!!

[blissard]

If Kenny from the block keeps from crashing the last stage, this will be his first points in the championship.

[dimviii]

Burkart luck comes back!

WEIJS H. jr. / DEGANDT B. (st. č. 23) Stopped on stage :eek:

and must stopped after last split!!

[BVB Rallying]

Hans Weijs just lost 5:05:5 too much, what a dramatic end of what should be a celebrating weekend for the KNAF team...

[Sulland]

What happened to Weijs Jr - Tech issues ?

[r199]

broken altenator belt

[6789]

Why can't Loeb get any bad luck! Lol. He never has a mechanical failure!! Probably because the mechanics would loose their job if they made a mistake

[muscrae]

Seb wins it, Citroen C4 is unbeaten on tarmac, that's just incredible...! :)

[blissard]

Petter takes second! :)

[Josti]

Gutted for Hans Weijs Jr, he deserved the title with his speed.

[Viking]

That is Petters 2`nd best tarmac result ever :up:

Also his 7`nt podium this season and he is in striking distanse (6 points?) of 3`rd in championship

[Sulland]

Congratulations to Petter and Dani for a great fight, and Petter took it in the end !

4th second, 8 times on the podium, and now 5 point behind 3rd place in 2010. He will take those 6 points in GB !

[6789]

Congrats to Loeb. Bring on GB, massive fight there for the victory please!!

[N.O.T]

main course was paellia instead of norwegian moose stew....

Very nice battle and a very good result for Solberg, i really hope he wins in GB after such a fantastic season for him i think it would be nice to win there, my guess is he will fight with the ford kids and ogier. Loeb i think in such a high risk rally like GB will stand aside and watch the fireworks.

[pino makinen]

Loeb i think in such a high risk rally like GB will stand aside and watch the fireworks.

I doubt it, we'll see.

[6789]

^^ Fords will probably have mechanical problems, Latvala will be on the pace. Ogier will be right up there and have to agree about Loeb.

As for Petter in GB, well everyone can guess :) . Sordo seemed alittle disappointed, gotta feel for him.

[Woodeye]

Ogiers and Blocks off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enau3rHqYH4&feature=sub

Why did Blocks co-driver grabbed his arm when the car started to slide? :D

[Barreis]

I doubt it, we'll see.

When he's normally driving, he's at the winning pace (except maybe in Finland)..

[Rallyper]

I can forecast the outcome of GB already:
1) Petter
2) JML
3) Seb Ogier
4) Hirvonen
5) Loeb
6) Henning
7) Sordo
8) Wilson

:cool:

[Barreis]

Sordo became quicker then Henning..

[tmx]

Congratulation to Ken Block for his first WRC points, he is no longer last place in the driver championship: http://wrc.com/results

[Barreis]

Also I'm so happy that Sordo is infront of Hirvonen in points!!! :D

[Halvis]

Congrats to Seb, Petter and Sordo, great battle between the latter, very strong by Petter to actually win the last stage when under such pressure from Sordo.

Despite Seb winning the crown, it will be very interseting in GB, with three possible runner ups. If Petter wins, he will be third whatever Latvala does, and if Ogier should have a mechanical or off, he actually might loose second to Petter! The same goes for Latvala of course, if he stays ahead of Petter.

Looking forward to this, oh yeah!

[RobertS]

Turan crash >

http://duen.hu/hirek/friciek_jol_vannak

[Mirek]

Ou, that was huge. They are happy to walk from that!

[Salist]

Turan crash >

http://duen.hu/hirek/friciek_jol_vannak

This car destroyed.
The guys came out of hospital.

[muscrae]

What about PSD winners, any news??
I just read form FB that Craig Breen is selected... Others???

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/799/799_Spanelska_rally_8bf225158f.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/799/799_Spanelska_rally_7d74e2d21a.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/799/799_Spanelska_rally_a78f1e4883.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/799/799_Spanelska_rally_98ab5efb2b.jpg

More photos from 3rd leg and podium HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=799&fseason=2010) ;)

[Salist]

Nice photos from Honza.
Thanks!

[Mirek]

What about PSD winners, any news??
I just read form FB that Craig Breen is selected... Others???

Craig Breen, Jan Černý, Andrea Crugnola, Fredrik Ählin, Brendan Reeves and Molly Taylor.

[muscrae]

Craig Breen, Jan Černý, Andrea Crugnola, Fredrik Ählin, Brendan Reeves and Molly Taylor.

Thanks Mirek, I'm so sorry for Bostancı... :(

[morganmilan]

Congratulations to Aaron Burkart, new JWRC champion :) . Sorry for Weijs

[N.O.T]

huge accident... Solbergs in germany martins in argentina and kopeckys in bohemia can be compared...at least fromm those i can remember

[noel157]

What about PSD winners, any news??
I just read form FB that Craig Breen is selected... Others???

http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139968&page=2

[Wasted Talent]

Craig Breen, Jan Černý, Andrea Crugnola, Fredrik Ählin, Brendan Reeves and Molly Taylor.

Shame it is a Fiesta R2.......how much more would it have cost Pirelli to put them in Mitsubishi's or S2000 Fiestas? The R2 is just so slow........

WT

[Mirek]

huge accident... Solbergs in germany martins in argentina and kopeckys in bohemia can be compared...at least fromm those i can remember

That one of Kopecký was in Rally Tatry ;)
http://archiv.autosport.cz/autosport/rallysport/rok2003/aktuality/img/kopejdabum1.jpg

[Sulland]

Turan crash >

http://duen.hu/hirek/friciek_jol_vannak

UUUUUUU, that one was real ugly - they are lucky to walk away from that one !

[Barreis]

Again great photos..

[bluuford]

Turan crash >

http://duen.hu/hirek/friciek_jol_vannak

Well, that looks bad. The history of this car was quite long. Its first start was in 2008 Monte Carlo Rally and 9 rallies in total in the hands of Mikko.
in 2009 5 rallies in the hands of Quassimi and once in the hands of Rantanen
in 2010 7 rallies in the hands of Henning 1 rally in the hands of Duval (maybe even more?)?

So, it was at least 24th rally for that car and it has survived many, many crashes...

[Juha_Koo]

Turan crash >

http://duen.hu/hirek/friciek_jol_vannak

Dear God! :eek:

I think this has to be the most damaged new-body Focus since being introduced back in 2006 when it comes to roll cage damage/damage which is dangerous to the crew...

What excatly happened?

[alleskids]

... how did they survive this???? :(

a compliment for M-Sport for making the car so strong

[noel157]

Dear God! :eek:

I think this has to be the most damaged new-body Focus since being introduced back in 2006 when it comes to roll cage damage/damage which is dangerous to the crew...

What excatly happened?

Yes, anybody know what happened to cause the off?

[Francis44]

I hope they're both ok.

That was a really hard impact from what I can see, I do hope teams keep this level of safety in next year cars.

[xavier]

Turan crash >

http://duen.hu/hirek/friciek_jol_vannak

Wow, i am glad to had heard both driver and co driver where okay, before seeing that car...


on a lighter note, Google chrome translate the article as follow:



Both riders took to hospital in Tarragona, the rescue helicopters. Fricinek broken collarbone and a concussion is, fatty Gabi got away bruised.


Apparently eating well protect you in accidents!

[Robisztar]

huge accident... Solbergs in germany martins in argentina and kopeckys in bohemia can be compared...at least fromm those i can remember
Tamas Turi - Imre Tóth - Mecsek Rally 2009

Picture 1 (http://www.turifanclub.hu/images/stories/20090803110504.jpg)
Picture 2 (http://www.turifanclub.hu/images/stories/20090803110521.jpg)
Video 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBkw1rDYM-I)
Video 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8iWv3roBfc)

Turi "only" broke his collarbone. (http://www.turifanclub.hu/images/stories/20090803111157.jpg)

[Salist]

Tamas Turi - Imre Tóth - Mecsek Rally 2009

Picture 1 (http://www.turifanclub.hu/images/stories/20090803110504.jpg)
Picture 2 (http://www.turifanclub.hu/images/stories/20090803110521.jpg)
Video 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBkw1rDYM-I)
Video 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8iWv3roBfc)

Turi "only" broke his collarbone. (http://www.turifanclub.hu/images/stories/20090803111157.jpg)

Rebuilt:
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2010/mcr/vsetin/ok_a_5_tomastik_3.jpg

[Salist]

Wow, i am glad to had heard both driver and co driver where okay, before seeing that car...


on a lighter note, Google chrome translate the article as follow:



Apparently eating well protect you in accidents!


Shortly before the accident:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C44pYk1JDw&feature=player_embedded

Other video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vFpEj4ub9A&feature=player_embedded

[Fri]

Rebuilt:
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2010/mcr/vsetin/ok_a_5_tomastik_3.jpg

This is another car. Turi crashed JT 56 SRT

Rebuilt (before and after):
http://www.rallysport.hu/info/2010/01/01-26-korda_s12b.htm

[Motorsportfun]

From the coverage I've seen on youtube (ONE HD), the stage riudecanyes was great, with helicopter, etc...

anyone has the video??

[Rallyper]

This is another car. Turi crashed JT 56 SRT

Rebuilt (before and after):
http://www.rallysport.hu/info/2010/01/01-26-korda_s12b.htm

Rebuilt and rebuilt. I guess only the number plate in front is from the crashed car... ;)

[Mirek]

Rebuilt and rebuilt. I guess only the number plate in front is from the crashed car... ;)

No, Fri is right, it's completely different car even the plate is different (and original Prodrive). HT56 SRT is ex-Boland car bought by Korda Racing few weeks a go.

[Osor]

My pics....

http://www.telefonica.net/web2/cochecero/images/CAT10/HI/DSC_2695.gif

http://www.telefonica.net/web2/cochecero/images/CAT10/HI/DSC_2547.gif

http://www.telefonica.net/web2/cochecero/images/CAT10/HI/DSC_2511.gif

http://www.telefonica.net/web2/cochecero/images/CAT10/HI/DSC_2492.gif

http://www.telefonica.net/web2/cochecero/images/CAT10/HI/DSC_2478.gif

[Robisztar]

No, Fri is right, it's completely different car even the plate is different (and original Prodrive). HT56 SRT is ex-Boland car bought by Korda Racing few weeks a go.

Yes.
JT56 SRT is sold, but now it is crashed again.

[Robisztar]

Yes.
JT56 SRT is sold, but now it is crashed again.
Maybe this is(was) JT56 SRT, I don't know.
http://www.velvetmotion.com/firstmotorsport/graphisme/news_71.jpg
First Motorsport
Does anyone know?

[MartijnS]

We got back from Spain this morning, went there for the first time and we really had a great weekend! Excellent stages, we did 7 stages and the shakedown offcourse.

My photos are online, Joost his video will be online tomorrow morning.

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2010/rallydeespana/Hirvonen%201.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/spanje/5.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/spanje/3.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2010/rallydeespana/Sordo%203.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2010/rallydeespana/Villagra%205.jpg

More photos can be found @ --> CLICK (http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2010/rallydeespana/rallydeespana.html) !

[JoostSchouten]

My video of the great rally is online!

http://i51.tinypic.com/14cfha1.png (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TLBZWXI9mc&hd=1)

Watch it in HD at Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nRUG7682HE&hd=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TLBZWXI9mc&hd=1)

[JoostSchouten]

Thanks to Ricardo who sent me a message that the link didnt work.
This is the working one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nRUG7682HE&hd=1

(can't edit my post)

[Barreis]

Really great photos..

[rallyrazz]

Really great photos..

I agree, fantastic photos, MartijnS

[Ciko]

The last moments before Turán's crash:
http://duen.hu/userfiles/image/101027_50_kilometer_hianyzott/50_kilometer_hianyzott_4.jpg

[Josti]

Rally Catalunya aiming to be a 50/50 gravel/asphalt event next year. Good news!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87769
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87770

[Josti]

The last moments before Turán's crash:
http://duen.hu/userfiles/image/101027_50_kilometer_hianyzott/50_kilometer_hianyzott_4.jpg

Wow, looks frightning.

[Juha_Koo]

The last moments before Turán's crash:
http://duen.hu/userfiles/image/101027_50_kilometer_hianyzott/50_kilometer_hianyzott_4.jpg

Pretty strong unspoken communication going on in there...

Google translate didn't produce any good results, are they going to release that onboard video?

[MartijnS]

Thanks Barreis and rallyrazz :D

Outdoor video of the crash of Turan: http://youtu.be/z3xCwh7VcGw

[Juha_Koo]

Outdoor video of the crash of Turan: http://youtu.be/z3xCwh7VcGw

Ouch. Luckily both both remained conscious through the situation... Otherwise that fire after the crash could have been rather dangerous. Once again: Lucky guys.

[Ciko]

Pretty strong unspoken communication going on in there...

Google translate didn't produce any good results, are they going to release that onboard video?
They would like to release it, but the North One doesn't allow it. They are searcing another way to show it.

The camera stopped the recording when they hit the ground first time.

[noel157]

Two very fortunate crew. Thank goodness.

Brake failure? No tyre marks or tyre smoke that can be seen.

[Juha_Koo]

Brake failure? No tyre marks or tyre smoke that can be seen.

Seeing thousands of rally crashes (both live and on video) my educated guess is a slow deceptive corner in the end of some fast section which wasn't marked in the notes properly. Or it was but the driver drove too much with his eyes and not taking into account the info in the notes.

[Rallyper]

Seeing thousands of rally crashes (both live and on video) my educated guess is a slow deceptive corner in the end of some fast section which wasn't marked in the notes properly. Or it was but the driver drove too much with his eyes and not taking into account the info in the notes.

Just the panic breaking when discovering what will happen was heard... :(

[hype]

My photos are also online now :)

http://www.h3x.de/rallyphoto/forum/spain10_1.jpg

http://www.h3x.de/rallyphoto/forum/spain10_2.jpg

http://www.h3x.de/rallyphoto/forum/spain10_3.jpg


Awesome Rally!

[alexlake]

This french guy scored and to celebrate Loebs victory in Spain, jumped in a car as his celebration. different :D
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Real-Sociedad-celebrate-goal-in-a-car?urn=sow-279841

[giangino]

Photos Rallyracc Cataluña 2010 online http://www.vittoriosanguineti.it/

[Barreis]

Thanks Barreis and rallyrazz :D

Outdoor video of the crash of Turan: http://youtu.be/z3xCwh7VcGw

Crash when compared with Latvala's works is nothing special.. PLUS: photos are great..

[Mirek]

Latvala was simply rolling. That makes a lot of damage but isn't that dangerous because energy is absorbed step by step in a long time. Also the speed of movement changes very slowly in terms of crash dynamics so the G-load on crew is quite small.

In case of Turán it was direct hit on the roof which is very dangerous way of crashing as almost all energy of the movement is spent into deformation of roof rollcage structure in a single very short time. Also G-load of crew is much higher. A lot of such crashes ended by fatal injuries in the past.

[OldF]

Maybe the HANS saved them. I remember San Remo several years ago when a crew landed on the roof and both dead with broken neck.

[6789]

Latvala was simply rolling. That makes a lot of damage but isn't that dangerous because energy is absorbed step by step in a long time. Also the speed of movement changes very slowly in terms of crash dynamics so the G-load on crew is quite small.

In case of Turán it was direct hit on the roof which is very dangerous way of crashing as almost all energy of the movement is spent into deformation of roof rollcage structure in a single very short time. Also G-load of crew is much higher. A lot of such crashes ended by fatal injuries in the past.
+ 1.

G force wise Turans was alot worse

[Fri]

My video:
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2010/Video/128-RSHU_rallye_racc_catalunya.htm