RBR MF Cup - S3 - Rnd 1 Monte Carlo

[Bruce D]

Monte Carlo Rally Event Info
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8-10 October 2010
RBR MF Cup Season 3 - Round 1

Rules
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Open to WRC, S2000, N4-N1 and A7-A5 cars
Tyre choice is free for all stages
Pacenotes - Audio only, not visual
One SuperRally per leg, 3min penalty for each SuperRally used.

Stages
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SHAKEDOWN - Cote D'Arbroz II (France) - Mod: Monte - Weather: Clear - 4.3km

Leg 1
SS1 - Joux Verte (France) - Mod: Monte - Weather: Bad - 7.9km
SS2 - Bisanne II (France) - Mod: Monte - Weather: Bad - 5.6km
SS3 - Cote D'Arbroz (France) - Mod: Monte - Weather: Bad - 4.5km

Leg 2
SS4 - Bisanne (France) - Mod: Monte - Weather: Clear - 5.6km
SS5 - Joux Plane II (France) - Mod: Monte - Weather: Clear - 11.1km

Leg 3
SS6 - Joux Plane (France) - Mod: Monte - Weather: Bad - NIGHT MOD - 11.1km
SS7 - Joux Verte II (France) - Mod: Monte - Weather: Bad - NIGHT MOD - 7.9km

Total Distance - 53.7km

Entries
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Send your entries to BruceD by PM or by email to [email:2gi2umou]rbrmfcup@gmail.com[/email:2gi2umou] Entry info as follows: Name, Country, Team, Car.

Submitting times
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Start each stage using the "RSRBR2009" button under the "play alone" section, do your stage. The time will be recorded in the window at the bottom of RsCenter. If its not recorded, you did something wrong. Use "public sessions" tab and "Go" button for BTB stages.

Once you have completed the stages you wish to do, select the File menu and click on "Save times" The times are saved to your RBR directory under the folder "MyTimes". Once you have done all the stages, send all your html files to [email:2gi2umou]rbrmfcup@gmail.com[/email:2gi2umou] to be scored. Please note that more than 1 html file can be submitted so you don't have to do all the stages at one time.

Non-RSRBR users
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Record your time and split times and mail them to the above email address.

PAST WINNERS
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Season 2 - Francis44 - Citroen Xsara WRC 05

Entries open immediately. Rally and entries close at midnight Tuesday 12th October 2010

[52Paddy]

Great to get a new season under way :)

[Bruce D]

Yup, I'm expecting all the missing people to suddenly appear again. Will see how entries go by the end of the week, otherwise I'll send out reminders to people.

[Francis44]

I plan to enter in my old trusty Xsara WRC :) , I've been missing out competition because I haven't had the time I wanted to but I want to fight for the championship again so If everything goes according to plan I should enter all rounds.

[lcd]

Let's have a great new season!!! :)

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1410/rbrmonte.jpg (http://img843.imageshack.us/i/rbrmonte.jpg/)

[Bruce D]

Guys, don't forget as requested there is now a shakedown stage - just post your times in this thread. No need to submit those times to me...

[tannat]

Great to get a new season under way :)

Equipe au Dublin-right, Paddy? :D

[tannat]

Hey guys-lets post the tire used on the shakedown with shakedown times...

Stage is about 85% covered in ice...

[Bruce D]

That should be interesting...

[tannat]

Not wasting anymore time on it-want to get on with recce for the rally proper.

Sector 1.....Sector 2......Final


Run 1)1:01.76...1:57.56....3:10.05 error on hairpin (the only dry one)
Run 2)1:00.22...1:56.68...3:05.55 rough...
Run 3)0:59.24...1:54.36...3:02.45 not bad. Sub 3min definitely possible :up:

I'm driving the Peugeot 206. Times were set with snows, and aside from steering angle, swaybar and gearing changes settings were default.

PS2 controller :D

[Macd]

sec 1, sec 2 , final

1.07:81,1.58:57,3.08:49

including a big spin right at the start. Default settings on wet tar tires.

[Bruce D]

Entry list so far, expecting quite a few more here...

http://i53.tinypic.com/2a98979.jpg

[tannat]

I'll have to see what an S2000 will do on these stages...

[52Paddy]

Equipe au Dublin-right, Paddy? :D

Let's do this thing :up:

Not decided on a car yet though.

[tannat]

sec 1, sec 2 , final

1.07:81,1.58:57,3.08:49

including a big spin right at the start. Default settings on wet tar tires.

Do a run on snows and see what you can do, MacD...

I am confident you will break 3 minutes.... :up:

[Francis44]

Shakedown time: 02:52:81 with snow tyres.

[tannat]

Shakedown time: 02:52:81 with snow tyres.

Nice, Francis :up:

[pettersolberg29]

I'm not sure what's going on here. Can someone please download the Focus from the rallyesim site and run it without using RSRBR because there might be a problem? Either that or I have somehow become incredibly quick without warning, or the SD times so far aren't as fast as you can go.

Mine: 54.57 - 1:40.96 - 2:38.33

I'll get a replay up if anyone wants a look at how this is happening (may take a while as I have Uni stuff going on at the moment).

[lcd]

After 2 passes on snow tires:
3:14.83
3:08.10
Might push some more, for anything around 3:00.xx

[tannat]

I'm not sure what's going on here. Can someone please download the Focus from the rallyesim site and run it without using RSRBR because there might be a problem? Either that or I have somehow become incredibly quick without warning, or the SD times so far aren't as fast as you can go.

Mine: 54.57 - 1:40.96 - 2:38.33

I'll get a replay up if anyone wants a look at how this is happening (may take a while as I have Uni stuff going on at the moment).


A naive question-But how can you run the Monte mod without RSRBR?

[Bruce D]

You can download the monte mod from the rallyesim site as a seperate download which installs and uninstalls by itself.

@ps29, stupid question but you are running the monte mod from rallyesim hey? This is the problem with rallyesim, they mess around with the physics and don't cover it properly.

@LCD, what are you entering?

[NeverKnow]

I have tried out the Monte Carlo mod from rallyesim.fr and came to conclusion that it is only cosmetic mod, no physics changes compared to original stages. Three stages (Cote d'Abroz I & II, Joux Plane) I tried I was using dry asphalt tires and I could get very high level grip even on icy patches. I tried the same stages with RSRBR's monte mod and spun off on the first corner with ice/snow.

[lcd]

Just sent my enrty! ;)

edit: I'll keep using RSRBR10 for this season too!

[pettersolberg29]

That explains it then. I'm simply going to have to try and force RSRBR to work...

[Bruce D]

Hmm, well the only other way to do it would be for someone neutral like say NeverKnow to do a comparison run through the stages and I could work out the percentage difference in speed between the 2 and then ps29 just does the stages using the graphics and I work it out from there. I don't know how else to do it. Any suggestions?

[Bruce D]

Meanwhile here is the updated entry list:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2v8n9df.jpg

[pettersolberg29]

Hmm, well the only other way to do it would be for someone neutral like say NeverKnow to do a comparison run through the stages and I could work out the percentage difference in speed between the 2 and then ps29 just does the stages using the graphics and I work it out from there. I don't know how else to do it. Any suggestions?

That's very complicated just for my benefit though. I'll fiddle around with the Monte mod and RSRBR and when it takes me over 3 mins to do Cote d'Arbroz I know that I have the right mod.

p.s. thanks Bruce for trying to make it easier - maybe it'll be easier in other events without RSRBR.
p.p.s may need a deadline extension if I have to use RSRBR.

[tannat]

I'd be willing to host a non RSRBR championship if the interest was there

[Macd]

@Ps. i would try doing a complete uninstall of rbr, and rbrsr + any related programs, Delete the rbr folder in program files, then restart your pc and try re installing rbr then the patch. then rbrsr and all the updates, then the car pack.

I seem to remember having a problem similar to yours, but I don't have a clue how I fixed it :(

[Macd]

Hmm, well the only other way to do it would be for someone neutral like say NeverKnow to do a comparison run through the stages and I could work out the percentage difference in speed between the 2 and then ps29 just does the stages using the graphics and I work it out from there. I don't know how else to do it. Any suggestions?

There is quite a large margin for error there, I would suggest an average time difference by two or more people, but that's quite a lot of effort.

[MrMetro]

I'd be willing to host a non RSRBR championship if the interest was there

do you mean a mod free championship? if so its not a bad idea, because as good these RBR championships are-they are good, don't get me wrong, but one of the things that holds me back from entering is the messing about with constant mods and having to download massive updates every couple of months. also I'm pretty awful at RBR....

[Blazquez]

I just signed in =D Starting my Mitsubishi lancer WRC05 atm! Lets ROCK!

[tannat]

do you mean a mod free championship? if so its not a bad idea, because as good these RBR championships are-they are good, don't get me wrong, but one of the things that holds me back from entering is the messing about with constant mods and having to download massive updates every couple of months. also I'm pretty awful at RBR....

Cheers, IR.


I'll start a thread soonish ;)

[MrMetro]

Cheers, IR.


I'll start a thread soonish ;)


nice, does this mean players with the ps2 and xbox models will be able to compete as well?

[tannat]

nice, does this mean players with the ps2 and xbox models will be able to compete as well?


:up:

[lcd]

2 rbr championships at the same time, on these forums?
Well, that sounds quite ambitious! ;)

[Bruce D]

Updated entry list, starting to look really great:

http://i55.tinypic.com/ossdq8.jpg

[tannat]

Coffee-then a spin with an S2000 on shakedown..

[tannat]

1:03.25......1:57.96.....3:05.85

A very shaky run. Skoda is an easy spinner.

[tannat]

Methinks SS6 could decide this rally...

..if everyone makes it to that stage :D

[Bruce D]

Latest entry list

http://i56.tinypic.com/2vuhq46.jpg

[Blazquez]

I am gonna try to finish this event w/o crashing! =O guess i aim to high..... lol

[raybak]

Looks like some major teams battles as well this season. Hopefully will my late season form will continue into this season.

Ray

[NeverKnow]

I have finished with my shakedown runs and I did quite a few of them. I tried out different setup tweaks and how snow/wet tar tires behaved on different surfaces. My times were:
1:03,76 1:58,97 3:19,07 - wet asphalt tires, hit side railing with the rear of the car and spun
1:02,50 1:55,77 3:08,56 - tried the limits of wet tar tires on ice, I was pretty much on the brakes all the times and staying on the safe side of the traction limit.

Rest of the runs were with snow tires:
0:59,35 1:51,82 2:58,45
0:58,24 1:49,77 2:56,01
0:57,15 1:46,96 2:52,60
0:57,44 1;46,64 2:52,64 - little sloppy at the hairpins and could possible win a second or two.

Overall the car felt good but seeing how difficult the itinarery is, my aim is to finish in one piece.

[lcd]

This one Is a retire for me... Don't know If the real Monte Carlo rally Is as difficult
as the one In game, but couldn't keep the car on the road no matter what!
I used various tires for the event, but none was capable of giving a right grip.
Was spinning around every once and while, falling down at crests, using call for help all the time!
Really tried hard to finish, but super rally came at ss5 and complete retirement
In the final stage of the rally, wher I lost my temper and got very risky!

2 out of 2 retirements In Monte Carlo (Including last season's event).
Maybe next year wll be better!

edit: Bruce Ignore my Joux Verte II run, as I forgot to make It a night stage!
Did It right after!

[Blazquez]

This one Is a retire for me... Don't know If the real Monte Carlo rally Is as difficult
as the one In game, but couldn't keep the car on the road no matter what!
I used various tires for the event, but none was capable of giving a right grip.
Was spinning around every once and while, falling down at crests, using call for help all the time!
Really tried hard to finish, but super rally came at ss5 and complete retirement
In the final stage of the rally, wher I lost my temper and got very risky!

2 out of 2 retirements In Monte Carlo (Including last season's event).
Maybe next year wll be better!

edit: Bruce Ignore my Joux Verte II run, as I forgot to make It a night stage!
Did It right after!

Strange i retired too... and i drove in the same car.... only after SS1 i had to give up...

[NeverKnow]

Just finished my rally and submited my times. It was really tough one for me and I am happy I didn't retire.

The most eventful was day one. I struggled on all those three stages and battled with terrible understeer. On SS1 hit a stone wall about 7k into the stage. Wheels just locked up at a very slow speed and I hit the wall side on. Didn't do any damage though and I could continue.

SS2 I had trouble with some of the hairpins when the car didn't turn in as I would liked. SS3 I tried to go as fast as I could but unfortunately for me I hit a house wall with the rear of the car and did a 360. No mechanical damage and finished the stage but it took some time to get going again.

Second day was best for me. I took safe approach and didn't had any problems.

Last day went without major incidents but I did battle with some of the hairpins on SS7.

The biggest problem for me was predicting how much grip was available. Sometimes I had lots of grip on snow but next time I was at a similar road texture then I didn't had no grip at all.

Like I said before my aim was simply to survive it and I am happy that I finished. I will not make any predictions but I think I was slow on most of the stages and I think podium is out of my reach.

[lcd]

... think I was slow on most of the stages and I think podium is out of my reach.

Don't think anyone will be fast on this rally... :D

[pettersolberg29]

I have managed to find somebody at my Uni who can get RSRBR to work, so I will be able to complete the rally, but my times will be awful as I will have no experience of those conditions whatsoever. I'm hoping slow and steady will win the race, or at least get me somewhere!

[lcd]

...I'm hoping slow and steady will win the race, or at least get me somewhere!

Exactly! Kept telling myself that too, before the rally, but carried away during race and the results were disastrous...

[Bruce D]

Don't think anyone will be fast on this rally... :D

NeverKnow always says that and then goes and wins the rally by minutes so I ignore these comments. :D

[52Paddy]

I managed a 3:02.22 in shakedown with a 2001 Cordoba. It wasn't the best run either. I'd say I could get it down to 2:58.xx with more practice. For now, I've still to decide on a final car for the event.

[tannat]

A well driven S2000 car could pull one out of the hat on this one (nudge nudge wink wink) :D

[52Paddy]

I've completed the rally and decided to use a 2007 Skoda Fabia WRC. It was absolutely awful. Mistakes everywhere and one use of the SuperRally. I'm just glad to have finished because so many times, I nearly didn't.

[tannat]

I've completed the rally and decided to use a 2007 Skoda Fabia WRC. It was absolutely awful. Mistakes everywhere and one use of the SuperRally. I'm just glad to have finished because so many times, I nearly didn't.

At least you did finish, Paddy..

Go Equipe au Dublin! :D

[Bruce D]

LCD have you sent times? I haven't got anything from you.

[lcd]

Ooops sorry...Just slipped my mind! I can send them to you later, when
I get back home-Is that OK? :p

[Bruce D]

Yeah thats fine. A distinct lack of results coming through - I guess everyone is too busy sliding off the road right now!

[Francis44]

Just finished the rally, it was very ticky but I think times will be ok, I did all stages with tarmac wet tyres as I thought the amount of snow was not enought to justify low traction snow tyres and I think it was a good strategy. But hey well see when times get on :D .

[pettersolberg29]

Finished day 1. All I can say is that I'm still going but uncertain as to my speed. Try and get results to you by midnight tonight Bruce.

[raybak]

I've had to DNS, been called away with family stuff and can't do it.

Ray :(

[tannat]

Finished days 1 and 2 (thanks for the extension, Bruce :up: )

First two stages car felt as if it was slithering on the icy patches, and for the most part the fronts never wanted to steer where I wanted them to. SS3 was sligtly better as the grip felt pretty good.

Day 2 went well. Contacted a tree within the last 1km of SS4 and we putted along to the finish.

Will tackle day 3 tonight.

[pettersolberg29]

I have a free day tomorrow so would much appreciate an extension to the deadline. I'll do my best to get the results sent by arund 5pm tomorrow afternoon. Thanks! :)

[Bruce D]

Thats fine. I hit snags too so I'll only get to do my runs tonight if I'm lucky.

[tannat]

Completed our rally. Our day three times will probably be inspiring to everyone-laugh inspiring.

Both stages were so slick and traction non existent. Really babied it til the end.
Nearly lost it on the final hairpin!

You so badly want to attack, but its just not possible with the low grip...

[lcd]

...You so badly want to attack, but its just not possible with the low grip...

That's why I carried away so much! BTW, my times are laughter-Inspiring too! :D

[tannat]

Did anyone do any major diff adjustments for this rally?

On the ice the understeer was simply overwhelming. I would thing some diff magic could make the car do fairly well on these mixed surfaces...

I used defaults-those diff menus scare the h@#$ out of me...

[pettersolberg29]

Just finished my rally. Used snow tyres on every stage, and somehow managed to avoid any incidents except one jump start! Don't know how good my times are as I have literally never driven on Monte before, let alone in the dark! Having said that, reading other people's comments, I think I may have done OK as I kept it on the road and at least finished the rally.
I really enjoyed the rally - I love the challenge of slow rallies where finishing is hard. Faster rallies are less about skill and more about balls and luck!
First day went well, with good stage times and rhythm. Second and third day not so well as I just pottered along about 3/4 speed. Somehow managed to go slower on Joux Plane 2 in the light than in Joux Plane 1 in the dark!
Looking forward to results.

p.s. my email is playing up Bruce so I will have to PM the results to you. Sorry about that.

[rallyrazz]

I was thinking of entering in some rounds when I've got some more free time. Is the Czech plugin easy to install and use?

[Bruce D]

Yeah very easy, just go to their site. I think it's only 800kb or something too.

[rallyrazz]

Yeah very easy, just go to their site. I think it's only 800kb or something too.

thanks for the info, is it easier to install and use than RSRBR?

[Bruce D]

Well technically you don't even need to install their plugin, just use their cars if you want to use more updated cars. The original cars are allowed too so the choice is yours. Give me a shout if you want to know how to install new cars.

[pettersolberg29]

Will there be results today? Just wondering if I should check again later or not worry about it. Cheers.

[tannat]

Will there be results today? Just wondering if I should check again later or not worry about it. Cheers.

Knowing Bruce the earliest it will be is tomorrow AM..

Not anything against Bruce, but he typically posts in the AM :D

[Bruce D]

I'm working on them right now - got snookered by some damn American dude submitting a S2000 fun result after I had already started. Interesting results, I'll hopefully have them up just after 10am my time (GMT+2)

[tannat]

I'm working on them right now - got snookered by some damn American dude submitting a S2000 fun result after I had already started. Interesting results, I'll hopefully have them up just after 10am my time (GMT+2)

Bruce-if it is any trouble I can simply compare the times-no need for the rigorous processing...

[Bruce D]

Sorry for the delay, had to duck out for work stuff and didn't get a chance during the normal tea break.

[Bruce D]

RESULTS

Although my records show his win tally at 2 now, I can't recall Macd winning an event before. Anyway, he now has! It was tough and he made up the time in the 2nd half of the rally.

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[Bruce D]

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[Bruce D]

Will send out the results book via email just now.

[52Paddy]

At least it's a finish and some healthy points to start my campaign. Well done to MacD, NeverKnow and PS29.

[tannat]

Pleased with our finishing position-about what I expected.

Sorry you didn't make it, Bruce D. I ran the S2000 entry to give you some company...

MacD and PS29-would love to hear your tire selections for the rally

Thanks to Paddy for sticking it out to the end, and getting a valuable 15 points for Equip au Dublin :up:

Can't wait to see the splits on the stages :D

[Bruce D]

Sorry you didn't make it, Bruce D. I ran the S2000 entry to give you some company...

I'll be sitting things out for a while...

[tannat]

My tire choices were

SS1 wet tarmac
SS2 wet
SS3 snows
SS4 snows
SS5 snows
SS6 wet
SS7 wet

[Macd]

Glad to have won again, finally had a rally go my way :) constancy seems to be the winner here I think.
Full OMV podium in the first event is really good. Well done to my teammates :D

@Bruce : I won in finland in season one.

Tire choice was Wet Tarmac for all stages running the default setting on the focus.

[Bruce D]

Well in that case your Joux Plane times were quite something.

[NeverKnow]

I'm very glad that Macd finally got a rally win and I'm happy that ps29 is showing very good pace with WR car. A full podium for the team is a great way to start the season.

I'm also glad over my result, 2nd is a very good for me considering the difficulty of the rally. Six 2nd stage times and one 6th stage shows the consistency is there but I need some extra to get a stage win which I haven't done in the last two rallies.

Looking forward to next rally...

[tannat]

A glance at last years Monte results show some really good pace from MacD.

His win did not surprise me. Good drive, mate :up:

[lcd]

So many DNFs and DNSs...That's Monte! :D

[pettersolberg29]

Great drive MacD - can only echo you in saying I'm delighted to have a lock-out of the podium with OMV Redbull.
Delighted with my pace on a couple of stages - it all went wrong on SS4 and 5 which I expected, but it shows potential! Glad to win Cote D'Arbroz as I spent ages fine tuning set up to go flat out on it. More suprised with the huge gap on SS1 - seemed even up to split 2 then somehow I pulled something out the hat.
Anyway, congrats to MacD and NK and to all who finished! Shame you couldn't take part Bruce but thanks for sorting it out for us.

[tannat]

Great drive MacD - can only echo you in saying I'm delighted to have a lock-out of the podium with OMV Redbull.
Delighted with my pace on a couple of stages - it all went wrong on SS4 and 5 which I expected, but it shows potential! Glad to win Cote D'Arbroz as I spent ages fine tuning set up to go flat out on it. More suprised with the huge gap on SS1 - seemed even up to split 2 then somehow I pulled something out the hat.
Anyway, congrats to MacD and NK and to all who finished! Shame you couldn't take part Bruce but thanks for sorting it out for us.

Did you use wet tarmac tires throughout, PS29?

[pettersolberg29]

Did you use wet tarmac tires throughout, PS29?

Nope-used snow tyres for most stages but don't remember exactly which ones. I know I used wet tarmac for Cote D'arbroz and one other.

[52Paddy]

Looking at the splits, I hadn't a patch on anyone, anywhere. Time to move on :D

[Macd]

Finally have a chance to type on a computer and not a phone :)

Really happy to have won, it was really close in parts, and to get full points for OMV. We've got our title defence off to a great start. First 1-2-3 finish if I remember correctly? Really looking forward to the rest of the season now :)

I'm aiming for consistency as well as speed this season, since that seemed to be my undoing in season 2

@bruce : luckily juex plane had been my testing stage so i knew it quite well. I think I ran that stage in every weather and surface imaginable :O

[rallyrazz]

Well technically you don't even need to install their plugin, just use their cars if you want to use more updated cars. The original cars are allowed too so the choice is yours. Give me a shout if you want to know how to install new cars.

I would consider installing RSRBR, but it seems quite complicated, you wouldn't be able to help would you? i'm on Windows 7 if thats of any importance

[Bruce D]

The easiest way is to download the main installer and then the big car pack and just install both. Not really that difficult. The problem comes if you want to keep it up to date all the time. Let me know specific questions and either me or someone here will help.

[rallyrazz]

The easiest way is to download the main installer and then the big car pack and just install both. Not really that difficult. The problem comes if you want to keep it up to date all the time. Let me know specific questions and either me or someone here will help.

cheers mate, I'll try that out sometime