DS3 WRC launch Sept 30th

[noel157]

Citroen will officially unveil the DS3 WRC on September 30th. Presume it will be at the Paris Salon after that. Is the 1.6T engine ready yet?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFfLom5RZns

[N.O.T]

nice appetizer...

[6789]

Be good to see the full aero package, that wing looks awesome.

Someone should go turn the engine over in Paris so we can hear the 1.6T :D

[Francis44]

They know how to make an impact.

[Xsara Fan]

As I see Total and Red Bull still here.

For the moment Citroen has built 5 cars:
- DS301 - first test-car (now show-car)
- DS302, DS303 - test-cars
- DS304, DS305 - cars for 2011
next car will be ready at the beginning of October.

[Motorsportfun]

As I see Total and Red Bull still here.

For the moment Citroen has built 5 cars:
- DS301 - first test-car (now show-car)
- DS302, DS303 - test-cars
- DS304, DS305 - cars for 2011
next car will be ready at the beginning of October.

I think the sponsors will be the same as the works team due to the contracts. Red Bull, for what I know, will move to Mini next year. ;)

[MJW]

As I see Total and Red Bull still here.

For the moment Citroen has built 5 cars:
- DS301 - first test-car (now show-car)
- DS302, DS303 - test-cars
- DS304, DS305 - cars for 2011
next car will be ready at the beginning of October.
So is Petter likely to be able to purchase one of these cars? or is it Seb 1, Seb 2, Sordo and Kimi, plus a spare car?

[bt52b]

I think the sponsors will be the same as the works team due to the contracts. Red Bull, for what I know, will move to Mini next year. ;)

Or Monster.

One rumour is that Monster want Kimi in a Mini.

[Zico]

Loeb testing the DS3 WRC ? Sounds quite healthy and high reving for a turbo engine but no ALS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=JPCKPtRtG1E&feature=related


What restrictor size do the new 1.6t WRC engines have?

[noel157]

Loeb testing the DS3 WRC ? Sounds quite healthy and high reving for a turbo engine but no ALS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=JPCKPtRtG1E&feature=related


What restrictor size do the new 1.6t WRC engines have?

Think's the test car with the detuned C4 engine.

[Pinto]

Loeb testing the DS3 WRC ? Sounds quite healthy and high reving for a turbo engine but no ALS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=JPCKPtRtG1E&feature=related


What restrictor size do the new 1.6t WRC engines have?

will the new cars run ALS ?

[Mirek]

Yes

[alexlake]

Loeb testing the DS3 WRC ? Sounds quite healthy and high reving for a turbo engine but no ALS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=JPCKPtRtG1E&feature=related


What restrictor size do the new 1.6t WRC engines have?

that is going to be one dam fine looking rally car!

[koko0703]

Loeb testing the DS3 WRC ? Sounds quite healthy and high reving for a turbo engine but no ALS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=JPCKPtRtG1E&feature=related


What restrictor size do the new 1.6t WRC engines have?

Rear end of the car looks bit like Suzuki SX4 while the whole car has similar taste to Peugeot 206. Either way, I like these pocket-rocket hatchbacks :D

[Tom206wrc]

Can't wait for this date :bounce:

[rbatista82]

Photos from the DS3 WRC !!! :) )

http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=193

http://www.supermotores.net/images/galeria/ds3wrc00002.jpg

[N.O.T]

very nice looking car...

But in the video the car looks slow and unbalanced....almost like a s2000 car....

[JTGANG]

very nice looking car...

But in the video the car looks slow and unbalanced....almost like a s2000 car....

Send an email to Quesnel with your remarks....

[RICARDO75]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB5YFONFJEY&feature=player_embedded

[RICARDO75]

Loeb in action with DS3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bCBXth4xuk&feature=player_embedded#!

[OldF]

So there is no centre differential for Citroën. It seems to be the trend nowadays. Also a in hose designed cylinder block and head.

[Frozzy]

gotta say the Redbull livery looks great on the DS3 better than it did on the c4 IMO

[Motorsportfun]

Hope to see that colours in the Mini! It makes more aggressive, IMHO

[Mirek]

So there is no centre differential for Citroën. It seems to be the trend nowadays. Also a in hose designed cylinder block and head.

Both Mini and Ford use production based engine. I'll try to find out about Škoda/Seat.

[dimviii]

]Both Mini and Ford use production based engine. I'll try to find out about Škoda/Seat.

Which skoda :dozey:

[m.lowe]

Nevermind the Rally DS3 WRC I want to see what Kenneth Hansen's Rallycross car will look like when done as the will be a mighty beast

[Mirek]

dimviii: Roomster :D

Anyway here is short video from DS3 WRC test of today (nice sound): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z29UAZx-Dnw

[Karukera]

] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z29UAZx-Dnw

Thx for the vid.
That was pretty quick, short and fast. Even the camera man's bones were shaking.

Any idea who was the driver ?

[Francis44]

Thx for the vid.
That was pretty quick, short and fast. Even the camera man's bones were shaking.

Any idea who was the driver ?

Sebastien Ogier tested today and will test tomorrow, then it's time for Loeb.

[alexlake]

Loeb in action with DS3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bCBXth4xuk&feature=player_embedded#!

i love that car! :D

[dimviii]

]dimviii: Roomster :D

Anyway here is short video from DS3 WRC test of today (nice sound): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z29UAZx-Dnw
sound is amazing,even better from mini wrc.

[Sulland]

Looks very fast, Maybe malcolm need to wake his top-boys early in the morning for a few days to get on with Fiesta testing !!!

[Karukera]

Sebastien Ogier tested today and will test tomorrow, then it's time for Loeb.

Obrigado Francis :up:

[N.O.T]

far better...looks like proper rally speed.

[Woodeye]

Luckily it looks to be fast. It sounds like lawnmover though.

[bennizw]

Does anyone know what kind of power these new cars will have compared to todays 2L turbo? I saw that one engineer was speaking about that they thought it was possible to get the same power from the 1,6 as the 2 some time in the future.

[bluuford]

The white livery looks so awful. I always think why aren't they using their normal livery during testing. Same words about Ford. The testing videos are always nice but those white cars look always like someones dirty shoes:-P

[spyros]

Does anyone know what kind of power these new cars will have compared to todays 2L turbo? I saw that one engineer was speaking about that they thought it was possible to get the same power from the 1,6 as the 2 some time in the future.

the power of the new cars will be the same as the old ones 300-350 bhp.

[sal]

Citroen are apparantley refusing to sell Solberg a car unless he signs a long term deal as they think he will bugger off and tell another manufacturer all their secrets! Ford are just as bad however as they wont sell any Fiesta WRCs until 2012 at the earliest as they think their secrets will get out...

[noel157]

Citroen are apparantley refusing to sell Solberg a car unless he signs a long term deal as they think he will bugger off and tell another manufacturer all their secrets! Ford are just as bad however as they wont sell any Fiesta WRCs until 2012 at the earliest as they think their secrets will get out...

Don't be silly, Papa Wilson refuse money? No way... :)

[dimviii]

the power of the new cars will be the same as the old ones 300-350 bhp.

Spiros this is in theory.
Evo GrA with 34mm restrictor is at 1,8bar already 340 bhp and 640nm.
Imagine now a wrc car with the continously development 1000 rpm more revving,and almost 1 bar more pressure.
Estimated about 370-380bhp and no less than 700nm.

[sal]

Don't be silly, Papa Wilson refuse money? No way... :)

Apparantley all the Fiestas will be run by the factory for "satellite teams" (10 cars or so) with sales to other teams starting in 2012 at the earliest...

[AndyRAC]

Apparantley all the Fiestas will be run by the factory for "satellite teams" (10 cars or so) with sales to other teams starting in 2012 at the earliest...

Why am I not surprised...??

[bt52b]

Spiros this is in theory.
Evo GrA with 34mm restrictor is at 1,8bar already 340 bhp and 640nm.
Imagine now a wrc car with the continously development 1000 rpm more revving,and almost 1 bar more pressure.
Estimated about 370-380bhp and no less than 700nm.

David Lapworth say the Mini WRC has 1.5 bar (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87084), so I assume the DS3 would be similar. Don't forget the WRC's have direct injection, which should be worth alot.

[Karukera]

Apparantley all the Fiestas will be run by the factory for "satellite teams" (10 cars or so) with sales to other teams starting in 2012 at the earliest...

It's sort of logical for a brand new formula.

Spying is in the air.

I'm sure a bunch of Fordies, Minis and Citroënies employees are frantically browsing the videos available on the internet, not to mention every form of "intelligence" activities ...

[dimviii]

David Lapworth say the Mini WRC has 1.5 bar (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87084), so I assume the DS3 would be similar. Don't forget the WRC's have direct injection, which should be worth alot.

Must be 2,5 bar mate.Perhaps a type error? :confused:

[Karukera]

Must be 2,5 bar mate.Perhaps a type error? :confused:

Or 3.5 bars.

1.5 bar being for the road going version ?

[OldF]

It's 2,5 bar.

[OldF]

Spiros this is in theory.
Evo GrA with 34mm restrictor is at 1,8bar already 340 bhp and 640nm.
Imagine now a wrc car with the continously development 1000 rpm more revving,and almost 1 bar more pressure.
Estimated about 370-380bhp and no less than 700nm.

It would be nice to know what your speculations are based on. Already when the restrictor has 1 mm smaller diameter means a drop in the power by about 6%, which means 20 hp. Of course the increase in boost from 1,8 to 2,5 bar will compensate for the smaller restrictor but I don’t think the power will increase with a restrictor in the same manner as it would without a restrictor when boost is increased from 1,8 to 2,5 bar.

The same goes for the torque. The displacement is 20% (340Nm*0,8= 512 Nm) smaller and I think that increase in the boost will not compensate for that.

I know you have more experience about engines than I have and that’s why I would like to hear how you came to those conclusions. My calculations are quite straightforward and don’t take into account for example the temperature changes in the intake manifold, differences in the turbo etc.

I also wonder what DL is saying that the power drop is only 5 percentage when the restrictor area is 6% (6% less air with the same boost) smaller and the boost has dropped from 4 bar to 2,5 bar.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/87084

[dimviii]

Just speculation OldF. ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Photos from the DS3 WRC !!! :) )

http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=193

http://www.supermotores.net/images/galeria/ds3wrc00002.jpg



By the way...does this pic mean Citroën Racing will stay with Pirelli in 2011 even if Michelin is back(it looks like Prodrive/Mini will have Michelins) :confused: :confused:

[Mirek]

No, there will be no Pirelli in WRC next year. This image shows Pirelli because of agreement valid till the end of 2010.

[Tom206wrc]

I thought Pirelli was there next year too with other manufacturers, so OK...thanks Mirek ;)

[Tom206wrc]

End of the C4 Era today at RAC Rally, now let's go back to this thread :D

[Mirek]

Ogier's testing in Wales, very spectacular driving:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx0xc4Nnt3E&feature=related

And a short shot of him testing on tarmac in France (quite crazy):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaWlPniDI2w

[rallyfiend]

He's really wringing the neck of that thing.

And it looks pretty quick. C4 almost....

[cali]

It does look very fast :)

[traxx]

Tests in France :
http://www.wrcisfree.com/posts/2010/12/01/1289-photos-ogier-ds3-wrc-sur-l-ashpalte

[navtheace]

Very impressive video. Excellent stuff, some serious speed.

Shame there is no 4wd turbo 1.6 road car with that bodywork. Would be interesting if that was the rule (aka R4 only for rallying). As we would potentially see a very impressive 4wd road car homologation special by Citroen.

Or will Citroen never go down the route of a 4wd road car ?

The DS3 WRC is looking like a winner already in that video. 2011 is not far away to see what happens on the stages!

[Donney]

Is it me or the DS3 looks like a car which likes to understeer? Especially in the first 3 min. of the video. I guess it is part of the set up for the testing.

[Mirek]

Is it me or the DS3 looks like a car which likes to understeer? Especially in the first 3 min. of the video. I guess it is part of the set up for the testing.

Some understeering goes down to transmission without centre differential. It's exactly same with S2000 cars.

[Gordini]

Some understeering goes down to transmission without centre differential. It's exactly same with S2000 cars.

And this fact is good,makes the cars more difficult to drive.Will separate the best drivers from the nextbest.

[Donney]

ok thanks for the tip. I like the lack of central diff.

[RS]

I like the new cars, they look "looser" than the old WRCs. Also the DS3 sounds nice - very much like the C4 but revving higher.

[dimviii]

nice video!
i didn t notice any understeer in whole video, i just notice oversteer in some slow corners exit.First time i saw a test video of ds3 wrc with antilag.

[ridder]

First time I watched the videos without sound and it most of it didn't seem to be faster than say racing-speed Fiesta WRC passes from its testing vids.

Now 4 hours later I turned on the sound and suddenly they seem extremely fast.

A bit like watching Focus WRC vs C4 WRC, Focus is so quiet and stable that you'd think it's miles behind... and then you check the time and it's the fastest car in the stage (sometimes). Another example would be group N car vs S2000 or even S1600, except the latter look more here, but the sound still makes one think that they are much faster than the group N car.

[6789]

Does anyone have a youtube link to that WRC free linkof Ogier testing in France? I'm getting an error message when i follow that link on my desktop computer. Looked very fast last night on my phone

[Ondra WRC]

Does anyone have a youtube link to that WRC free linkof Ogier testing in France? I'm getting an error message when i follow that link on my desktop computer. Looked very fast last night on my phone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBjuKJsfo-A&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MidK6BzVbk

[6789]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBjuKJsfo-A&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MidK6BzVbk
Thanks alot, i tried searching but couldn't find it

[Ondra WRC]

Video from tarmac test Sebastien Loeb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-m98O0FJI

[dimviii]

Video from tarmac test Sebastien Loeb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-m98O0FJI

Nice video1 Thanks Ondra :)

[J.Lindstroem]

Its fantastic to see how clean Loebs drivingstyle is!

[darkstar]

Video from tarmac test Sebastien Loeb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-m98O0FJI

it´s a shame, the video is blocked in germany because of the music...

[Ondra WRC]

Great video from test Sebastien Loeb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji9k3OVDX98
and Sebastien Ogier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3hpZoJVD84

[wwbroe]

Especially Loeb looks extremely fast to me. Car is performing very well and makes a nice sound. ;)

[dimviii]

Great video from test Sebastien Loeb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji9k3OVDX98
and Sebastien Ogier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3hpZoJVD84
MW would be very anxious after these videos.
This car seems pretty fast already!

[N.O.T]

yes they seem to move in the right direction...

the lack of torque is evident though.

[Gard]

yes they seem to move in the right direction...

the lack of torque is evident though.

Yes! they could have given them more boost.

More boost and no antilag. That would separate the men from the boys

[N.O.T]

this thread needs more bobcat and some ford videos driven by engineers....

[Francis44]

this thread needs more bobcat and some ford videos driven by engineers....

OH NOEZ SOMEONE DROPPED THE BOMBSHELL.

[TyPat107]

Yes! they could have given them more boost.

More boost and no antilag. That would separate the men from the boys


Nice!!! That would be cost cutting right? Anti-lag just adds wear to the turbo correct?

[Juha_Koo]

More boost and no antilag. That would separate the men from the boys

Err... Do you have any idea how terrible it is to drive a turbo car which has no antilag?

Yes, it's difficult, but IMHO it's also pain in the ass for the drivers. No enjoyment from the driving, just pumping the throttle and brakes like Matthew. Not good for anyone.

[Mirek]

Nice!!! That would be cost cutting right? Anti-lag just adds wear to the turbo correct?

Yes, it's hard for turbo, also doubles fuel consumption but still it makes the car reasonably faster.

For me it's ok with lower boost. For spectators more boost brings nothing positive. I would prefer larger restrictor (even instead of direct injection). That's the simpliest solution which costs nothing.

[OldF]

Lower boost means higher revs compared with higher boost which mean nicer sound with the same restrictor size.

[TyPat107]

Lower boost could also mean higher compression ratio which sounds more crisp.

[Loose_Unit]

sounds good. very good. i like the extra revs, just gives it a bit more intensity than the old wrc's, so i think these things will sounds great through the forest.

[TKM]

Looks faster than the Ford or Mini, but I guess what do you expect when they've probably double the budget of the other 2 teams put together. I was really hoping that Ford would be able to take it to Citroen next year, but if this is anything to go by ..... :-(

[6789]

Money buys time, hopefully Ford can still be up there.

[navtheace]

Remember that it is not Ford. It is M Sport which is a private team at the end of the day. They will have a tighter budget than Manufacturer Citroen.

[Bobcat]

Remember that it is not Ford. It is M Sport which is a private team at the end of the day. They will have a tighter budget than Manufacturer Citroen.
That's a lame excuse! Just remember the M-Sport and Ford working together on the manufacturer team.

[Xsara Fan]

Info from Citroen Racing.

There are 7 DS3 WRC`s now:

D301 - ex-test car, now use like show-car.
D302 - test-car.
D303 - test-car. Ogier crashed it last week during tests.
D304, D305, D306, D307 - ready to start.

Also D308 and D309 currently building.

After the tests team made some evolution of the car.

All Citroen C4 WRC`s are in Citroen Racing. They will go to Citroen museum in Aulnay or rent for Italy & France for race.

[nzabevAMSM]

Info from Citroen Racing.

There are 7 DS3 WRC`s now:

D301 - ex-test car, now use like show-car.
D302 - test-car.
D303 - test-car. Ogier crashed it last week during tests.
D304, D305, D306, D307 - ready to start.

Also D308 and D309 currently building.

After the tests team made some evolution of the car.

All Citroen C4 WRC`s are in Citroen Racing. They will go to Citroen museum in Aulnay or rent for Italy & France for race.


D304- Seb Loeb
D305- Seb Ogier
D306- Van Marksteijn Junior
D307- Kimi?
D308- Van Marksteijn Senior
D309- Petter?

Or there is another player in the game?

[Mirek]

One car for one driver is not enough for WRC championship. You need at least two for each works driver who will do all events.

[Xsara Fan]

Sorry guys - the number of chassis is DS30X not D30X
I think that there is only one free car:

DS304 - Loeb Sweden
DS305 - Ogier Sweden
DS306 - Loeb Mexico
DS307 - Ogier Mexico
DS308 - Van Merk family
DS309 - ???

Also there is an opportunity to use DS301 for privateers but I have no info about DS303 which Ogier has crashed. If Seb-jr destroyed this car, then DS301 again become a test-car.

[OldF]

Busy days at Citroen.

http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/citroen_races_against_time_with_the_ds3_wrc/


Citroen races against time with the DS3 WRC
News
27th December 2010
By Giles Wade

Citroen team manager Sven Smeets has admitted the late introduction of technical regulations from the FIA could hamper the early running of the DS3 WRC.

Citroen’s next generation World Rally Car only started running in complete form in the autumn, which meant considerably less testing than for the French firm’s previous cars. The Xsara WRC, which made its debut in 2001 only competed on four WRC events in its first year, eight the following year and a full season in 2003. The C4 which followed ran in development form throughout 2006, when Citroen was officially absent from the WRC, before Sebastien Loeb gave the C4 its debut win in Monte Carlo, 2007.

“It can be difficult because of how late the regulations were from the FIA, particularly on the engine,” said Smeets. “There just hasn’t been the time to test as much as we would have liked. There is more pressure on everybody because of this time frame. It’s not going to be how it was with C4, we had a lot of running time with that car.”

[Rallyper]

In Monte there are several DS3: s in the entry list. Although they are "just" R3T models - seems Citroen have had time to manufact some vehicles after all. No major difference to the WRC-model in my opinion.

Or am I wrong.

My conclusion is:

Citroen has capacity to make WRC-cars to every customer needing one.

[G249XDP]

In Monte there are several DS3: s in the entry list. Although they are "just" R3T models - seems Citroen have had time to manufact some vehicles after all. No major difference to the WRC-model in my opinion.

Or am I wrong.

My conclusion is:

Citroen has capacity to make WRC-cars to every customer needing one.

I suspect the majority of R3Ts will be built by satellite Citroen teams, like PH Sport, etc.
http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/clas/index.php?ct=fsrc&md=details&id=51854

I remember reading an article that Citroen Sport personnel said they could maintain a maximum of 6 customer cars at WRC level, regardless of who runs them (PH Sport, Kronos, etc.). There were large overheads to make new parts & to recondition them and due to the small size of the department and available funds that was the most they could manage. S1600 C2s were/are much cheaper to support than say Xsara WRCs.

[RICARDO75]

In Monte there are several DS3: s in the entry list. Although they are "just" R3T models - seems Citroen have had time to manufact some vehicles after all. No major difference to the WRC-model in my opinion.

Or am I wrong.

My conclusion is:

Citroen has capacity to make WRC-cars to every customer needing one.

The Portuguese drivers that bought the new DS3, are building their cars in Portugal, using a kit supplied by Citroën. So the DS3 R3 should not be mounted at Citroën Racing

[Rallyper]

The Portuguese drivers that bought the new DS3, are building their cars in Portugal, using a kit supplied by Citroën. So the DS3 R3 should not be mounted at Citroën Racing

OK, but the "only" difference between the kit and WRC is just the WRC-kit which I understand only is body-outfits, like bigger rear wing etz.

So why couldn´t the satellite teams build their own WRC-cars supported by Citroen?

Am I wrong this time also...?

[wwbroe]

OK, but the "only" difference between the kit and WRC is just the WRC-kit which I understand only is body-outfits, like bigger rear wing etz.

So why couldn´t the satellite teams build their own WRC-cars supported by Citroen?

Am I wrong this time also...?

It surely isn't only body-outfits, so i guess you are wrong. :D

[dimviii]

OK, but the "only" difference between the kit and WRC is just the WRC-kit which I understand only is body-outfits, like bigger rear wing etz.

So why couldn´t the satellite teams build their own WRC-cars supported by Citroen?

Am I wrong this time also...?

i don t think that except headlights and badges have something else same.
Completely different cars that cant be converted both ways.

[Rallyper]

Well, FIA has put everything into confusion I must say.

I´m a rallyfan since early 60´s, but for now I think everything sucks, rules, drivers, money.

Nothing seems to be taken care of in a propriate way.

[Mirek]

Well, FIA has put everything into confusion I must say.

I´m a rallyfan since early 60´s, but for now I think everything sucks, rules, drivers, money.

Nothing seems to be taken care of in a propriate way.

Actually it's nothing new ;)

Example with Peugeot, every time different cars sharing same looking body:

Peugeot 207 R3T and 207 S2000 (now)
Peugeot 206 Gr.A and 206 WRC (ten years a go)
Peugeot 205 Gr.A and 205 T16 Gr.B (twenty five years a go)

I don't know Peugeot history further but I have even older example with Škoda (thirty five year). 130RS and 110R were same example. 130RS was special competition car based on 110R production car.

[OldF]

In Monte there are several DS3: s in the entry list. Although they are "just" R3T models - seems Citroen have had time to manufact some vehicles after all. No major difference to the WRC-model in my opinion.

Or am I wrong.

My conclusion is:

Citroen has capacity to make WRC-cars to every customer needing one.

All R1-R3 can be purchased in kits and assembled by yourselves except the safety cage which must be installed by the manufacturer or an authorized installer

I think all the S2000 cars are sold as ready to rally cars. At least M-Sport doesn’t deliver a Fiesta S2000 as a kit.

There can of course be an official dealer as Printsport Racing is the Citroen Racing dealer in Finland http://www.printsport.fi/

[Mirek]

S2000 car can be sold as kit. I know about Peugeot bought that way.

[G249XDP]

.......There can of course be an official dealer as Printsport Racing is the Citroen Racing dealer in Finland http://www.printsport.fi/

Total Motorsport Solutions in the UK, or at least it used to be.

[pantealex]

OK, but the "only" difference between the kit and WRC is just the WRC-kit which I understand only is body-outfits, like bigger rear wing etz.

So why couldn´t the satellite teams build their own WRC-cars supported by Citroen?

Am I wrong this time also...?

DS3 R3T is 2wd
DS3 WRC is 4wd
so "Rallyper" maybe you need somethink else also than just body-outfits :(
maybe side doors panels from outside and roof are same, but almost every other part is different!

You can see the differences in Ford´s (Fiesta R2 and Fiesta S2000/WRC), there is almost as many differences in between DS3 R3T and DS3 WRC

[Rallyper]

DS3 R3T is 2wd
DS3 WRC is 4wd
so "Rallyper" maybe you need somethink else also than just body-outfits :(
maybe side doors panels from outside and roof are same, but almost every other part is different!

You can see the differences in Ford´s (Fiesta R2 and Fiesta S2000/WRC), there is almost as many differences in between DS3 R3T and DS3 WRC

Yeah, you´re right about that. But then we have the S2000 1,6T compared to WRC car.

I think I mixed it up and was comparing those two of a kinds. :o

[RICARDO75]

Assembly photos of the DS3 R3 from Paulo Neto in Portugal.
The kit from the DS3 R3 as 7000 parts.

http://www.fotosralis.online.pt/ds3netojaneiro11/

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyKk5SSicwA

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY0t7QVp5AA&feature=related

[N.O.T]

nice video...slow cars...Bring WRCs back.

[Francis44]

Really?! I couldn't tell the difference.

[bluuford]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyKk5SSicwA

Very uncharacteristic conditions for Sweden. There is almost no snow, gravel on the snow and no snowbanks. I hope they did Swedish test on proper conditions as well. Currently it looks like that the snow-cover in rally district ranges between 25 and 50 cm. And due to the mix of the minus and plus degrees, the snowbanks should be rock-solid.

[cali]

N.O.T. is on WRC's Speed Measuring Board, he has better sight then we, the normal people :P

[6789]

nice video...slow cars...Bring WRCs back.

Looks fast too me :)

Loeb talks 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBKI9aTYeAA&feature=feedu

Ogier on 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvz5jvAQuu8&feature=channel

[N.O.T]

for me those engine regulations are a step backwards...lets hope they are a step backwards towards the proper direction...

the less powerful the cars and the less "exclusive", the easier it becomes for nobodys to mix it with the real drivers...which is not good for the sport.

[Donney]

Actually I think it is good, if nobodies are able to mix with the somebodies it means whether they are not as bad as we thought or the so-called somebodies are not that special. In equal conditions is where you should be able to see the good ones rise.

[padWRC]

nice catering...fast cars:
http://www.printsport.fi/printsport-catering2010a.jpg

[Rallyper]

Well, since then it has been snowing maybe 50-70 cm and we also had a period of plus degrees. So it should look much better right now even though I dont live in the area of Rally sweden.

[alleskids]

Kimi Raikkonen will do 10 rallies, skipping 3. I read some were that he will skip Mexico. Italia and Argentina. Van Merksteijn has adapted his program due to Solbergs full calender and Raikkonens program, that is why he starts in Portugal, and he will skip Sweden and Mexico. So Citroen has a spare DS3 WRC in Mexico, and will have a full house in Portugal with all 5 WRCars?

[N.O.T]

why raikonnen just 10 ? according to swiss magazines and forbes and the IMF he earned 45 millions (or was it billions) last year.....so why not 13 ? he cannot afford to pay for 2 extra rounds ?

[tfp]

why raikonnen just 10 ? according to swiss magazines and forbes and the IMF he earned 45 millions (or was it billions) last year.....so why not 13 ? he cannot afford to pay for 2 extra rounds ?

Bloody hell! I bet Petter wouldn't mind being half a quid behind him in the bank balance:-)

[Gard]

Citroen is asking insane amount of money for renting a DS3 WRC. Petters budget last year was app. 4 million € and they have to pay a lot more this year.

[bluuford]

So Citroen has a spare DS3 WRC in Mexico, and will have a full house in Portugal with all 5 WRCars?
Mexico is long haul event and most probably they do not have any additional cars for this event. Maybe only if you are willing to pay flight costs for the car. Cars for Mexico should be on the ship before the end of Sweden I guess. There are only two and a half weeks to repair the car, customs and for transportation to Mexico. Usually ships leave from Netherlands and it is approximately 10 000km long trip. Average speed of the cargo vessel is usually between 30-40 km/h. So, if we take the average (35 km/h), then the trip on the sea takes at least 12 days+ 2days from Sweden to Netherlands (over 1200 km) +2 days for loading/unloading+up to 5 days for customs +1 day for the land transportation in Mexico (it is over 500 km from the harbor to Leon). So, it is 22 days, you can approximately estimate that the minimum is at least 3 weeks, the rally is finished by then.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Photos? New Livery?! Each nation flag on roof on each rally?

[kakus]

Sweden and Mexico :
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs896.ash1/180428_1806056956985_1406751981_2045119_503543_n.j pg
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3010/18042818060569569851406.jpg

[dimviii]

Sweden and Mexico :
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs896.ash1/180428_1806056956985_1406751981_2045119_503543_n.j pg
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3010/18042818060569569851406.jpg

like the sweden one! Did they show all the liveries?

[Daniel]

I like that. Reminds me of the Corolla WRC days

[alleskids]

maybe a strange question.. but what is the Mexican roof representing? Sweden is the frost sign in Swedisch flag.

[Daniel]

maybe a strange question.. but what is the Mexican roof representing? Sweden is the frost sign in Swedisch flag.

It's someone in a sombrero I think.

I saw this on my phone this morning and only now see it's a photoshop. I do hope it happens for real, though I think if it was on the side it would be better.

Finland
http://cantinhodoscarrinhos.com/autoart/AAT%2080020%20Toyota%20Corolla%20WRC%20Rally.JPG

New Zealand
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_C9rga4wEbVc/SidIJXIu6aI/AAAAAAAAAQk/0iG41Z79hzc/s320/_Paper_Craft_Model_Toys_COROLLA_WRC_1998_NEWZEALAN D_Race_Car.jpg
Safari
http://www.diecastxchange.com/forum1/uploads/post-1015-1158836872.jpg
Acropolis
http://www.diecastxchange.com/forum1/uploads/post-1015-1158838259.jpg

Some of the best liveries ever IMHO

[kakus]

I saw this on my phone this morning and only now see it's a photoshop. I do hope it happens for real, though I think if it was on the side it would be better.


Yes for Mexico it's a spéculation (from who I don't know) but for Sweden it's true :
http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/pictures/2011/wrc/pres-ds3wrc-24jan/008.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

why raikonnen just 10 ? according to swiss magazines and forbes and the IMF he earned 45 millions (or was it billions) last year.....so why not 13 ? he cannot afford to pay for 2 extra rounds ?

I think Raikonnen has large personal sponsors due to his name, coming from the f1 and just te fact of who he is!

I personally didn't know who this guy was before entering the WRC and took no interest. To me Petter is bigger but only due to the WRC. If he (Petter) had big, well paying sponsors outside of te WRC or played a different sport I think he'd bring himself more money!

[Andre Oliveira]

Change the name of the topic.

[Daniel]

Change the name of the topic.

No thanks

[Sulland]

No mentioning of the homologation process here either.

What about the S2000 part of the homologation, or do they only have to have a S2000 based chassis, but no engine and no complete 2000 na or 1600T class 1 car ?

[OldF]

Citroen did it as Martin Holmes explains in gpweek issue 110, page 36, and column 3. http://mag.gpweek.com/?iid=47032# (http://mag.gpweek.com/?iid=47032). This article is worth reading.

”They designed their World Rally Car, took one example and converted it back to a theoretical super 2000 form, principally by removing the front body work and rear wing. Voila! There was the regulatory “Super 2000” car. There was no need to do more”

[Sulland]

So they basically homologated a computerbased S1600T (S2000) model ?

[OldF]

No, they had to have one physical unit for homologation purpose, which could be scrutinised by FIA.

[Mirek]

No, they have to have 10 sets of all homologated parts. Also all homologated parts must be available for sale.

[OldF]

Yes, I suspected something like that but wasn’t sure. Remember reading somewhere that also a complete car must be available for homologation.

[Mirek]

Yes, but I meant that just one car is not enough ;)

[Sulland]

Yes, I suspected something like that but wasn’t sure. Remember reading somewhere that also a complete car must be available for homologation.

So they have S1600T parts for sale, but no chassis to put them on you can buy ?

But then again Citroen is not in it for the money, pity really !

[Mirek]

No, everything must be for sale.

[Bobcat]

Citroen? They don't have to do anything.

[Sulland]

So what team/driver will be the first to have the balls to go to Citroen Sport and buy a S1600T regional car ? Would be interesting to see the result from such an inquiry !

[OldF]

So what team/driver will be the first to have the balls to go to Citroen Sport and buy a S1600T regional car ? Would be interesting to see the result from such an inquiry !

"Sorry, but we are temporarily out of stock. Come back next year."

[mousti]

Tsjoen informed during the meeting in Paris with Citroen Sport (when he sealed the deal about the C4) about the DS3 s1.6t and they answered they don't want to make one because they don't want to compete with Peugeot 207 S2000.

He wanted also to start with a DS3 in Germany, but none available. Pity because he's a gentlemen driver, yes but very fast! He had top 10 stage times in WRC Elzas last year when he was driving in national field! He'll probably buy or rent a DS3 next year.

[Barreis]

Lucky guy.

[Andre Oliveira]

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384898_302930436415169_113087855399429_830735_1315 284377_n.jpg

From Neuville (http://www.facebook.com/thierryneuvillerally) facebook page

[N.O.T]

worst photoshop ever !!

A yellow DS3 will be great though.

[Andre Oliveira]

Can someone help me with these plates and/or chassis numbers?

Argentina 11 - Loeb: BK 317 DW Chassis:???
Argentina 11 - Ogier: BK 359 DW Chassis:???
Catalunya 11 - Loeb: BK 317 DW Chassis:???
Catalunya 11 - Ogier: BK 359 DW Chassis:???

[Andre Oliveira]

BF-854-XB is chassis #1 or #3?