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garyshell
9th September 2010, 21:37
The Glen Dropped From 2011 IndyCar Schedule
Sep 9, 2:46 PM (ET)

WATKINS GLEN, N.Y. (AP) - The IndyCar Series has ended its six-year run at Watkins Glen International, dropping the race from the 2011 schedule.

"We just finished it up. We've been working with them for a long time, but we've moved down the road," WGI president Michael Printup said Thursday. "They're trying to juggle a schedule, we're trying to juggle our schedule, and it was just a matter of trying to put it all together.

"I don't think it was any one thing in particular, it was everything combined," Printup said. "Unfortunately, we couldn't make it all mesh."

The IndyCar Series also dropped Homestead-Miami Speedway from the 2011 schedule, which will be released Friday.

"IndyCar is entering a new exciting era," IndyCar CEO Randy Bernard said in an email to The Associated Press. "Fortunately, this brings opportunities with new venues and promoters that are fully aligned with our strategy moving forward. We have chosen to move away from a few venues at this time."
Printup said that when evaluating events there are a variety of factors that must be considered, including cost of competition, paid attendance, both sponsor and market support, and future growth potential.

Both Homestead-Miami and Watkins Glen, along with Chicagoland and Kansas, are owned by NASCAR-affiliated International Speedway Corp. The underlying theme under Bernard has been that the business relationship with ISC wasn't working.

"It'll be played that way, but it is truly a business-to-business representation of what we do at the tracks. It was just a matter of coincidence," Printup said. "The four tracks, we all sat down at the beginning of the year and talked about what we wanted to do. Every business has a model. They have their model, we have ours. We've got to make our decisions."

NASCAR began racing each summer at Watkins Glen in 1986, and its August weekend has regularly attracted crowds estimated at around 100,000.
Before the stock car series took hold, The Glen was a mecca for open-wheel racing. It has hosted Formula One's U.S. Grand Prix from 1961-80 and CART IndyCar events from 1979-81.

That exposure helped give the track a stellar reputation, and drivers in every series that has raced around its high-speed curves have raved about the layout. ISC has spent millions to upgrade the facility in the past decade, and many of those changes were made specifically for the return of major open-wheel racing in 2005. The inaugural IRL Indy Grand Prix was the venerable track's first open-wheel event in 24 years.

Printup said he was hopeful the series might return in the future.
"We're not going to stop. We love the IndyCar Series," Printup said. "They belong at this track. We miss a year? That doesn't mean we're going to be off it (forever)."

One of the most visible upgrades ISC made was the installation of a huge bank of grandstands along the front straightaway. Despite picture-perfect weather, those stands were virtually empty when Will Power cruised to victory in the Camping World Grand Prix on Fourth of July weekend.

At a press conference at the track before the race, Bernard said the open-wheel sport had lost 15 to 20 million fans in the 1990s, and it was his job to find a way to get them back. He also said he had asked for increases in sanctioning agreements.

"Attendance is always an issue, but these have been tough economic times, too," Printup said. "It doesn't take a scientist to figure out that there's been some attendance decline. We spent a lot of effort, time, money, everything into promoting those races and we hope that we can get back to them in 2012 and see if maybe we can fit back on. That's the best we'll be able to do. We'll keep on plugging. Hopefully, we can find some common ground."
The 2005 IndyCar Series race was held in September and then moved to June. It had been run on Fourth of July weekend the past four years, and Printup didn't think that was the best fit.

"It works for you and works against you," said Printup, who prefers an event in late June. "This past year, the forecast was beautiful for 10 days straight, never wavered, and people made plans to be on the beach, be on the lake or in a park somewhere. That had an effect on us."

Road racing in America came of age at Watkins Glen in 1948 when Cameron Argetsinger obtained a sanction from the Sports Car Club of America for a race that was run on a 6.6-mile course in and around the village using mostly paved roads with a short dirt and gravel stretch.

WGI officials never forgot their roots. They honored Argetsinger by making him grand marshal for the 2005 race and named the trophy given to each IndyCar Series race winner in his name.

Argetsinger died two years ago. News of the demise of the race was bittersweet for his family.

"I'm sorry to see it go," Michael Argetsinger said. "My father's memory will be maintained, certainly. I'm glad it was done in his lifetime. Racing, unfortunately, also has to be business. If you still lose money, it's not a good deal.
"My father always said business was business and you have to make a profit, and I think the position that WGI was in, they simply were pushed into a position where they had to lose money on it. That's not a good business model."

No surprise here other than the lip service about not being able to make it fit. Ya right, wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with the ISC cartel's agenda now would it.

Gary

Lee Roy
9th September 2010, 21:52
No surprise here other than the lip service about not being able to make it fit. Ya right, wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with the ISC cartel's agenda now would it.

Gary


What agenda would that be? Getting rid of money losing operations?

DanicaFan
9th September 2010, 22:46
Why do we keep posting an individual thread on each ISC track dropped ?

beachgirl
10th September 2010, 02:07
Why do we keep posting an individual thread on each ISC track dropped ?

Simple solution - don't read them if you don't like them.

call_me_andrew
10th September 2010, 02:40
Why do we keep posting an individual thread on each ISC track dropped ?

Because everyone of us is unique and ****ing special!

SoCalPVguy
10th September 2010, 04:37
Why do we keep posting an individual thread on each ISC track dropped ?


Maybe we need an "ALL Former ISC Tracks All The Time" thread.

BTW weve missed you over at the "ALL Danica All The Time" thread. Stop on by !!!

Back on topic, dropping ISC tracks should have been done a long time ago and it is a good future positioning strategic move.

DanicaFan
10th September 2010, 05:07
Maybe we need an "ALL Former ISC Tracks All The Time" thread.

BTW weve missed you over at the "ALL Danica All The Time" thread. Stop on by !!!

Back on topic, dropping ISC tracks should have been done a long time ago and it is a good future positioning strategic move.

I dont read the All Danica thread, nor will I post in it. It's all bashing on her and me most likely. Im not interested. If I feel the need to post a thread on something related to Danica, I'll start my own thread. But thanks for the invite though. ;)

Mark in Oshawa
10th September 2010, 06:59
I dont read the All Danica thread, nor will I post in it. It's all bashing on her and me most likely. Im not interested. If I feel the need to post a thread on something related to Danica, I'll start my own thread. But thanks for the invite though. ;)

I don't bash you man......but hey...I can understand ya not feeling the love!!!

Mark in Oshawa
10th September 2010, 07:04
What agenda would that be? Getting rid of money losing operations?

Ah yes...but when the track owners (ISC) and the competing racing sanctioning body (NASCAR) are more or less owned by the same family, one can argue, with some evidence that it wouldn't be good for ISC to turn around and try to help the OW get BACK to where they were before the rise of the idiot grandson now would it?

Not that They are anywhere close to it, but in any real world evaluation, part of the reason ISC tracks are not making money off the IRL is partially their own reluctance to promote them as heavy as Bruton Smith has in Texas or Infineon. I find it ironic that Bruton Smith can see value in the IRL even TODAY whereas the ISC tracks are showing not much interest.

I will grant you that the Glen race wasn't making money, and moving it about the sched was likely stupid, but ISC isn't the world's smartest promoters if you judge them by their lack of effort to get Canadians not 3 or 4 hours up the road down to the Glen. No real campaign, no media blitz..and yet there is a major urban center that supports this form of racing 4 hours away and I remember a few lame ads and one or two commericials on NASCAR broadcasts......

I tell you this much. Bruton Smith owns the Glen, I am going to know when the IRL guys are at the Glen and he is going to roll out the red carpet when I get there...

Been to the Glen...Must say they are run by people living in the past.....

DanicaFan
10th September 2010, 08:47
I don't bash you man......but hey...I can understand ya not feeling the love!!!

Thanks Mark. :)

nigelred5
10th September 2010, 13:23
I hate to see an open wheel series that races on roadcourses NOT racing at the GLEN or Road America. It's a travesty, but it is what it is. At least I'm fairly confident I'll actually have a race to attend 30 minutes from home next season!

Otto-Matic
10th September 2010, 17:15
I was lucky enough to go see the 2005 IndyCar race at The Glenn. had a great time and I loved the open atmosphere and accessibility of the paddock (although not nearly as great as the ALMS race at Lime Rock :s mokin :) . Too bad IC wont be back but if this these are the sacrifices that need to be made to build a stronger series than I guess so be it.

SoCalPVguy
10th September 2010, 19:30
I dont read the All Danica thread, nor will I post in it. It's all bashing on her and me most likely.

Don't flatter yourself... while is is *possible* that there has been some danica bashing... your name NEVER comes up. It is mostly discussions and a few articles.. NEW article posted today FWIW... Unfortunately Danica's popularity is waning and sometimes the thread gets ironically hijacked with subdiscussions of better drivers... Come on by and share the love !!!

Back on topic: I agee its a shame that Watkins Glen and its long history of Americal open wheel racing wil no longer be, getting rid of ISC is a startegic smart move by Randy Bernard. ISC and Nascar make sure those events lose money by lack of promotion and soemtimes tieing in Indycar tickets into packages that require stockcar tickets and those two deomgraphics dont mix plus in a down economy its a lot of money for a big $$$ seasn package.

NY2IA
10th September 2010, 19:40
The crowds were huge at the Glen this year, despite what the grandstand looked like. It was extremely hot on July 4th, and sitting in stands was unbearable. I bet it won't be so hot in October...lets do what is right for open wheel race fans rather than worrying about who gets along with who. Bring the race to Watkins Glen in 2011.

Easy Drifter
10th September 2010, 20:12
I used to go to the US GP at the Glen as a spectator, crew on an FB/Atlantic team and visiting VIP from the Cdn. GP, in late Sept. Frost was not uncommon and a least twice it snowed!
We also used to race at the 'Fun One' a SCCA regional after the Cdn. season ended in Oct. Both frost and snow happened.
At the 'Fun One' there were usually anywhere from a dozen to two dozen Cdn. teams in various classes and we usually hung out together even if we never talked at Cdn. races.
The most common words at the after race party were 'Quick, hide the beer here come the Cdns.' :eek:
Being used to our much stronger beer we did consume a fair amount!
Quite a few of the area drivers used to come up to Mosport so they were used to Cdn. beer and we all knew each other. It was a fun race but often cccccooooold. :D

Lee Roy
10th September 2010, 20:43
. . . . . and soemtimes tieing in Indycar tickets into packages that require stockcar tickets . . . . .

That's for sure. Look how the Indy Car race attendance improved at Chicagoland once they stopped requiring people to purchase season tickets.