New Stratos

[Daniel]

I know this isn't strictly rally news but lets face it the Stratos is a piece of rallying history so I think it fits in ;)

http://www.new-stratos.com/
http://www.italiaspeed.com/2010/cars/lancia/08/stratos/1308.html
http://www.italiaspeed.com/2010/cars/lancia/08/stratos/gallery/gallery.html

As a fan of Italian cars and a lover of the original Stratos I really do like it, perhaps it's just a carbon copy of the Stratos with some modern bits added but when they got it soooo right the first time why play around with it?

The front looks a bit strange without popup headlights but the back is lovely
http://www.new-stratos.com/img/content/a3_3_b.jpg
http://www.new-stratos.com/img/content/a3_4_b.jpg

[sal]

For once a story about someone extremely priviledged putting their wealth to good use! I'm a major Stratos fan, and whilst the new car is very similar as you say Daniel, it was so right the first time why muck around with the shape etc. Am glad the strange split windscreen seen on earlier mock ups has gone.

[rallye-vid]

i love it! :eek:

[Daniel]

For once a story about someone extremely priviledged putting their wealth to good use! I'm a major Stratos fan, and whilst the new car is very similar as you say Daniel, it was so right the first time why muck around with the shape etc. Am glad the strange split windscreen seen on earlier mock ups has gone.

Well the split screen was always just a concept thing and they always like to throw in slightly strange things when it comes to concepts. One thing I think looked a bit nicer on the Fenomenon concept was the headlights which look a little small on this prototype IMHO :)

[Mirek]

Beautiful reminiscence!

[sal]

Yes I agree the front looks a bit "bare" with those lights!

[Allyc85]

Porn! :D :D :D

[Drew]

You're all gonna hate me, but I'm not that impressed. I didn't think the old stratos was that amazing to start with. The new one looks like a mix of other cars. From the front it's a Fiat Coupé, from the side it's a Toyota MR2 mk1 and from the back it's a new Corvette :p :

[Daniel]

You're all gonna hate me, but I'm not that impressed. I didn't think the old stratos was that amazing to start with. The new one looks like a mix of other cars. From the front it's a Fiat Coupé, from the side it's a Toyota MR2 mk1 and from the back it's a new Corvette :p :
First of all it looks nothing like a Fiat coupe although this wouldn't be a bad thing. Secondly it looks nothing like a Mk1 MR2 :p Corvette? Huh? :p

[Captain VXR]

Love it
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/08/stratos-1-copy.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/08/stratos-2-copy.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/08/stratos-3-copy.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/08/stratos-4-copy.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/08/stratos-6-copy.jpg

[N.O.T]

the car looks fotoshoped in some of the pictures....

[maxter]

I agree, but my guess is it's just down to some bad compression or such.

Beautiful car anyway!

[GridGirl]

How much are they going to cost. Stratos's make me loose all sense of being sensible. I could sell my old house and blow it all on a Stratos...or I could just keep my old house and have a decent pension. Booooo!

[Daniel]

How much are they going to cost. Stratos's make me loose all sense of being sensible. I could sell my old house and blow it all on a Stratos...or I could just keep my old house and have a decent pension. Booooo!
and you still wouldn't have enough believe me ;) This won't be cheap, in fact you will probably almost be better off looking for a real Stratos.....

[Mirek]

It seems that the car was built for Michael Stoschek by his company Brose KG. If it's the same Micheal Stoschek, than he also drives historic rally events with Porsche 911.

[Daniel]

]It seems that the car was built for Michael Stoschek by his company Brose KG. If it's the same Micheal Stoschek, than he also drives historic rally events with Porsche 911.
Yes it is the same person

http://www.new-stratos.com/#a2

I still quite like the Fenomenon Stratos concept of 5 years ago though
- the split front windscreen I think it looks very nice but I have to say they've got the rear end absofrickinlutely perfect on the one that looks like it's going to go into production :facelick:
http://www.babez.de/2005/03/fenomemon-stratos/

Another thing that I've noticed is gone from the new one is the louvred rear window :( Also not quite sure I like the modern take on the coffin spoke wheels as much as I would like a carbon copy of the original

I have heard a lot of details about the car, what the protos are based on and suffice to say it does look like it's going to be a really good car and I'd be pretty annoyed if I'd put a deposit down on something like a 458 Italia :D

[cardy]

:s mokin: love that car

[BDunnell]

As a modern pastiche of the original, it's far more effective than the 'new' Beetle or Mini, that's for sure. But I'd far rather see a proper new design becoming as undeniably iconic (what an overused word) as the original Stratos.

[Azumanga Davo]

Front end reminds me of this...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QL5TW79Q30Ny9M:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i9/mrmattson/Picture1-6.png&t=1

The rest of it looks great though.

[Daniel]

As a modern pastiche of the original, it's far more effective than the 'new' Beetle or Mini, that's for sure. But I'd far rather see a proper new design becoming as undeniably iconic (what an overused word) as the original Stratos.

Whilst I agree with you on the Beetle and Mini, if the original was so perfect then why should they change the bits that make the original so perfect? :) The Stratos still looks pretty futuristic which helps.

[AndyRAC]

It looks surprisingly good. All we need now is the FiA to allow Sportscars in the WRC.......(OK I'm dreaming.......)

[N.O.T]

they are allowed...

[wedge]

:up:

Freaky deaky!

Looks like a contemporary facelift than a silly, trendy, retro-mobile

BTW, the pillars definitely reminds me of the MR2! :p

[Caroline]

I think it looks great. It was a stunning car all those years ago and here is another classic.

[sal]

I'd be pretty annoyed if I'd put a deposit down on something like a 458 Italia :D

As much as I love the original Stratos and the look of the new one I dont think I would be sweating too much if I was in the enviable position to be able to buy a 458!

[Daniel]

As much as I love the original Stratos and the look of the new one I dont think I would be sweating too much if I was in the enviable position to be able to buy a 458!
From what I've heard this may be a good deal faster than the 458 ;)

[I am evil Homer]

and quicker to fall apart i'd imagine ;)

[veeten]

... which makes it more GT than WRC, sad to say. In this present age of pasenger car-related rally racing, especially with 4WD/AWD systems, this is a poor attempt to try to revive olden days.

Nostalgia is nice, but we all have to see things for what, and when, they are; charming period pieces.

[Daniel]

and quicker to fall apart i'd imagine ;)

Well the base which the prototypes were built on doesn't have any noted reliability issues so why should the Stratos have issues? ;)

[cut the b.s.]

You're all gonna hate me, but I'm not that impressed. I didn't think the old stratos was that amazing to start with. The new one looks like a mix of other cars. From the front it's a Fiat Coupé, from the side it's a Toyota MR2 mk1 and from the back it's a new Corvette :p :

check this out ;-)

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=specsavers+devon&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=specsavers&hnear=Devon&view=text&ei=D0tpTLulCsyl4QbQoo2ZBA&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CC0QtQMwAA

[Captain VXR]

Sportscars should definitely be the main WRC category
Imagine GTRs, TT-RSs and so on, a modern group b :s mokin:

[Daniel]

Sportscars should definitely be the main WRC category
Imagine GTRs, TT-RSs and so on, a modern group b :s mokin:

And just like ye olde group b a deathtrap for driver and spectator alike.

[gloomyDAY]

Stunning!

Numbers?

Peace.

[MrJan]

And just like ye olde group b a deathtrap for driver and spectator alike.

If I'm going to be killed out on the stages I want the car to look as good as that Stratos :D

[HFAlex]

very nice. I look forward to see it live!!

[Daniel]

Meant to mention as it's been made public now, that the proto is based on a 430 Scuderia

[Daniel]

Can't remember which site it was on but basically it says a few things I knew before. 1 that it's based on shortened 430 scuderia aluminium spaceframe, it's got a full carbon fibre body and the engine is a tuned version of that found in the 430 Scud. Considering that the 430 scuderia is no slowcoach this has the potential to be bloody fast and fricking expensive.

[Viking]

I think it looks stunning! can I have mine in white, yellow weels and an Alitalia sticker set? thank you :)

[J4MIE]

I love it, but wish it had pop-up headlights like the original....

[Barreis]

Any Lancia should be great..

[Daniel]

I love it, but wish it had pop-up headlights like the original....
OUtlawed now apparently :(

[Mirek]

I love it, but wish it had pop-up headlights like the original....

It's not possible today if You want road homologation. There are different standards about pedestrian safety etc.

Daniel was faster :)

[Daniel]

]It's not possible today if You want road homologation. There are different standards about pedestrian safety etc.

Daniel was faster :)
Yeah but if I am going to be killed by a car I want to be killed by a stylish popup headlight ;)

[J4MIE]

What??????

I don't care about any pedestrians, they should be getting out of my road anyway ;)

[gloomyDAY]

Any track numbers? I'm dying to see some comparisons.

[Roamy]

Pretty interesting - About everything the Italian's touch either "looks good" "tastes good" "feels good" Gee I should pass on this and move to Finland :)

[Daniel]

Any track numbers? I'm dying to see some comparisons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F430#430_Scuderia

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/210200/ferrari_430_scuderia.html

There's your yardstick, now think how much lighter it'll be with a full carbon fiber body (the scuderia only has cf doors) and a bit of the wheelbase chopped out then think how much quicker it's going to be with that considered plus a bit of extra power? ;)

[MrJan]

I love it, but wish it had pop-up headlights like the original....

Apparently pop up headlights are no longer allowed. I was told that this is why the MK3 MR2 doesn't have them (and presumably MX5 and many others)

[Daniel]

More details :)

http://www.italiaspeed.com/2010/cars/lancia/08/stratos/1808_official/1908.html

Better power to weight ratio than a 458 Italia which is 364bhp/tonne and better than the 599 GTO which is 418bhp/tonne. 444bhp/tonne!!!!! :D Ordered a 458 Italia lately? Boohoo! :D

[Daniel]

I appear to have soiled myself......

http://www.italiaspeed.com/2010/cars/lancia/11/stratos_gt2/3011.html

[MrJan]

I appear to have soiled myself......

http://www.italiaspeed.com/2010/cars/lancia/11/stratos_gt2/3011.html

Nursing a semi here :eek:

[ToughMac]

Would be nice if this could be homologated to fit in with the FIAs new GT championship. Retro is the way forward, first Mini now this.... would be nice if Audi could get their new Quattro out onto the stages!

[RICARDO75]

The New Stratos has 540hp and the maximum power allowed on GT class must be on the 400hp level
http://www.new-stratos.com/en/#/article/a10

[jonas_mcrae]

beautiful car

[Captain VXR]

The New Stratos has 540hp and the maximum power allowed on GT class must be on the 400hp level
http://www.new-stratos.com/en/#/article/a10

Which is why many GT cars use heavily restricted engines with LESS power than the showroom variant

I highly doubt the Aston DB9 and road Maserati MC12 have under 400bhp
I also doubt GT1 regulations require a limit of only 400bhp

[Mirek]

GT1 cars have around 600 Hp in my opinion. 400 Hp limit is only for rally use.

[Bob Riebe]

I believe that 550hp has been mention often, but by the time they are done with the spec. bs, they might be slower than Formula Vee.

Road racing has become cess pool of regulation, run by god wannabes.

[Daniel]

I believe that 550hp has been mention often, but by the time they are done with the spec. bs, they might be slower than Formula Vee.

Road racing has become cess pool of regulation, run by god wannabes.
Allowing dismals to rein supreme for as long as they have is a ****ing joke......

[TheFlyingTuga]

GT1 cars have around 600 Hp in my opinion. 400 Hp limit is only for rally use.

Mirek, GT1 cars from track have 600 bhp, regulamented. GT2 cars have 450-500 bhp, and the GT3 have 500 bhp!

I don't know why FIA limited the GT rally cars to 400bhp! For example, the Porsche 997 GT3 from Team Beta here in Portugal have 420 bhp, and the Vallejo one should have even more!!!

[Donney]

I want one of those!!!!! Red if possible but any other colour would do!

[Cooper_S]

It looks fine but then that was not hard... this trend in using motoring icons as a template rather than being cutting edge like the Icons they emulate were, is rather disappointing... it's lazy.

But it a popular band wagon at the moment, why critique Lancia for leaping on it, it will be in good company.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Cooper...I agree, but fans of the Stratos will love it....I told a buddy of mine about how I saw the new Stratos and it is basically the old car in appearance..and he got visibly excited and started sweating...lol

I don't get it, to me it was a neat car...but I wanted more....but I wasn't a hard core Stratos fan.....

[Daniel]

What should a new Stratos look like though? Its so unique that its successor should look just like it. I own a Fiat 500 and if it didn't look like the original it wouldn't be a 500. I don't like the Mini because IMHO in some ways it's too true to the original (to its detriment) and in some ways it's far too different.

[Mark in Oshawa]

What should a new Stratos look like though? Its so unique that its successor should look just like it. I own a Fiat 500 and if it didn't look like the original it wouldn't be a 500. I don't like the Mini because IMHO in some ways it's too true to the original (to its detriment) and in some ways it's far too different.

That is the nut of it right? How much evolution is too much? The Mini and the latest 500 like yours do strike the right chord with me.....just like the Dodge Challenger and Ford Mustang give you that 60's appearance but they are clearly modern versions. The Stratos to me didn't change AT all in the modern version....

[Daniel]

The thing is with a stratos, if you weren't a car person and didn't know when it was built you wouldn't know how old it was. Its a timeless design.

[Mark in Oshawa]

The thing is with a stratos, if you weren't a car person and didn't know when it was built you wouldn't know how old it was. Its a timeless design.

I am a car person, but I found the design a little over the top. That is just me though....you and my friend who were hardcore Stratos fans no doubt love the fact it is back.

I like the idea of a mid engined sportscar that can do rallies.....but I never quite warmed to the Stratos...

[Daniel]

I am a car person, but I found the design a little over the top. That is just me though....you and my friend who were hardcore Stratos fans no doubt love the fact it is back.

I like the idea of a mid engined sportscar that can do rallies.....but I never quite warmed to the Stratos...

I'm not trying to say that you're not a car person ;)

I was merely saying that if you got my nephew who is 2 in a few days and he grew up never seeing a Stratos and then you asked him in 20 years time when the original Stratos was made then I think he'd struggle to say when.

The fact is a Stratos is a Stratos. The new one is different in some minor ways but it is in my mind what Bertone would have done back in the day given the ability to build in modern materials.

To me some things are too perfect to be tampered with.

[odykas]

Lancia http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~siochos/smilies/bowdown.gif

[Daniel]

Lancia http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~siochos/smilies/bowdown.gif
Alfisti and also Lancisti? If you weren't an AMD fanboi I'd say you had good taste ;)

[sollitt]

If the new Stratos didn't look something like the old Stratos, it wouldn't be a Stratos would it?
I'm with Daniel here. Bloody good looking car in my view.

Last time I saw a Stratos in the flesh was 1976. I attended San Remo Rally this year hoping to see another one in the Classic section - alas no.
This'll do me for now.

Now where was that piggy bank?

[pino]

I like the idea of a mid engined sportscar that can do rallies.....but I never quite warmed to the Stratos...

If you had been so lucky as I was of getting a ride on an official Stratos (Waldegaard Sanremo 1974) you would **** in your pants everytime you saw a pics/video of any Stratos :p :

[AndyRAC]

In the UK, Steve Perez has a Stratos, in a Alitalia inspired VK livery – and at the recent R.A.C Rally, when I was specatating in Ae forest a whole load of Escorts had been through, then the sound of the Stratos got louder and louder, a Scottish girl behind me said, “now that’s a Rally car”. I have to agree!!!

[pino]

...the sound of the Stratos got louder and louder, a Scottish girl behind me said, “now that’s a Rally car”. I have to agree!!!

If I were there...I would've married that girl :up: :p :

[odykas]

I would love to see a new version of Beta Montecarlo http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/%7Esiochos/smilies/bowdown.gif

The only problem is that we will probably see only some re-badged Chrysler 300c :down: :mad:

[Daniel]

I would love to see a new version of Beta Montecarlo

The only problem is that we will probably see only some re-badged Chrysler 300c :mad:
Ody, you should sign up to the italiaspeed forum ;) You'd love it there, plenty of opportunity to slag off Fiat management and their recent offerings :p You just don't say anything bad about the Fiat 500 because I own one :angryfire :p

[Mark in Oshawa]

If you had been so lucky as I was of getting a ride on an official Stratos (Waldegaard Sanremo 1974) you would **** in your pants everytime you saw a pics/video of any Stratos :p :

As a performance machine, I am a HUGE fan. The look of it just doesn't suit my taste. Hey, it is one of the greatest rally cars ever, I cant knock it for what it did on the stages....

[Daniel]

As a performance machine, I am a HUGE fan. The look of it just doesn't suit my taste. Hey, it is one of the greatest rally cars ever, I cant knock it for what it did on the stages....
Pino, please ban Mark :p

[Jordib]

If the new Stratos didn't look something like the old Stratos, it wouldn't be a Stratos would it?
I'm with Daniel here. Bloody good looking car in my view.

Last time I saw a Stratos in the flesh was 1976. I attended San Remo Rally this year hoping to see another one in the Classic section - alas no.
This'll do me for now.

Now where was that piggy bank?

I remember 2008 Rally Costa Brava when there was a record of 7 Lancia Stratos on the Entry List, including Sandro Munari in the Alitalia ex-works car!

I recommend you to attend this kind a FIA Historic rally if you want to see an old Stratos in action and in real competition in a real rally (not regularity or short rally for showing cars). In 2010 the rally included one Stratos and two 037 for the first time allowed in the FIA Class, all included in FIA Sport category and it was so funny, Bianchini won the event in his Lancia 037.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Pino, please ban Mark :p

It is alright Daniel, I didn't say it was UGLY. That would be the Audi Quattro Sport's that Michele Mouton made famous....

[Daniel]

It is alright Daniel, I didn't say it was UGLY. That would be the Audi Quattro Sport's that Michele Mouton made famous....
Pino, please ban Mark :p

[Mark in Oshawa]

Pino....Daniel just has this deluded sense of what makes a car look good. Italy has created some of the most gorgeous cars ever, he just is offended I think the Stratos is just ALRIGHT...lol

[Daniel]

http://www.italiaspeed.com/2010/cars/lancia/12/new_stratos_media_day/1412.html om nom nom nom :D

[wedge]

Pino, please ban Mark :p

including his IP :D

[odykas]

http://www.italiaspeed.com/2010/cars/lancia/12/new_stratos_media_day/1412.html om nom nom nom


http://www.italiaspeed.com/2010/cars/lancia/12/new_stratos_media_day/gallery/121.jpg

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[Daniel]

http://www.italiaspeed.com/2010/cars/lancia/12/new_stratos_media_day/gallery/121.jpg

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Love the OLIO FIAT bits though technically it should be Selenia these days ;)

[N.O.T]

nice car....i wonder how it will brake without any callipers....

[Daniel]

nice car....i wonder how it will brake without any callipers....
I suspect it doesn't go very well considering it'll have no engine :)

[N.O.T]

yes...usual italian stunts...all show and nothing to offer.

[gloomyDAY]

yes...usual italian stunts...all show and nothing to offer.Uh oh! Someone is a little cranky.


http://www.italiaspeedcom/2010/cars/lancia/12/new_stratos_media_day/gallery/121.jpg

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[Malbec]

http://www.italiaspeed.com/2010/cars/lancia/12/new_stratos_media_day/gallery/121.jpg

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Why are they getting Peter Mandelson to promote the car?

Lovely car but so much power in such a short wheelbase is going to be a handful...

What I want to see from Lancia though is for them to bring the new Fulvia concept to market. At least I could afford that.

[Daniel]

Fulvia concept is a bit old now, buy sadly dead :(

[Malbec]

Fulvia concept is a bit old now, buy sadly dead :(

Good excuse to buy a classic one instead then :)

[Daniel]

Very much so!

[Mirek]

yes...usual italian stunts...all show and nothing to offer.

Sometimes Your posts are not funny. Really...

[N.O.T]

it wasn't ment to be funny...

[Donney]

Gorgeous beast!!!!!!!

[Daniel]

New Stratos (http://www.new-stratos.com/en/#/article/a15)

Seems in typical Ferrari fashion they don't want something which is potentially better than their products being built. Gotta love that...... what a bunch of c words.

[AndyRAC]

New Stratos (http://www.new-stratos.com/en/#/article/a15)

Seems in typical Ferrari fashion they don't want something which is potentially better than their products being built. Gotta love that...... what a bunch of c words.

Completely unsurprising though, and utterly predictable!!

There was a time when the FIAT group had more than one World Motorsport outlet: Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Fiat, Ferrari, etc in Rallying, Touring cars, DTM, WSC, F1. Now it's just Ferrari in F1....and that also makes me angry....and another reason why I dislike Ferrari.

[focus206]

Completely unsurprising though, and utterly predictable!!

There was a time when the FIAT group had more than one World Motorsport outlet: Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Fiat, Ferrari, etc in Rallying, Touring cars, DTM, WSC, F1. Now it's just Ferrari in F1....and that also makes me angry....and another reason why I dislike Ferrari.
You absolutely got the point... this is one of the reasons why I dislike FIAT...

[N.O.T]

what do you want them to do ?? go bunkrupt because you want them in motorsport ??

[AndyRAC]

what do you want them to do ?? go bunkrupt because you want them in motorsport ??

No, but it seems all resources are required for Ferrari....it hasn't always been like that.

[N.O.T]

i think its normal....you put the resources on the one thing that sells the most and currently the biggest flock of sheep is the oversized cart championship one....

[Viking]

I think it looks stunning! can I have mine in white, yellow weels and an Alitalia sticker set? thank you :)

I see they are considering my order :D