SchM is under investigation

[Bagwan]

:s ailor: :s ailor: :s ailor:
Bags'.... I rate this comment three Swabs' out of a possible five :)


Yarrrrrr , only three ?
YARRRRRRRRRRRRRR !

I'll try to do better next time , me cap'n .

Yarr .

[Tazio]

One swab is very good. Five may only be attainable by “The Bard"
And last time I checked he was still dead.
Although I believe it is possible that someone could channel him!

I can give the gist of it a little more concisely

Mike and Rubens were slicing ham.

And bob’s your uncle!!!
T

[Bagwan]

One swab is very good. Five may only be attainable by “The Bard"
And last time I checked he was still dead.
Although I believe it is possible that someone could channel him!

I can give the gist of it a little more concisely

Mike and Rubens were slicing ham.

And bob’s your uncle!!!
T

Well , swab me decks , I feel better about it then .

And , Rubens's yer aunt .
He got the crap scared out of him , and it must have been uncomfortable drawers full for the rest of the race .
That must have been why he was all cranky , waving that black flag at Michael .

Excellent job of driving through that hole , and then he had to go all poopy drawers about it .

Drop the pout , and it just looks like great driving from both , but especially the big nuts that managed to fit through that needle .

Yar .

[Saint Devote]

Rubens did the same thing. He got on with it and completed the pass on the first move. Unlike Mika he didn't let the attempted intimidation of MS make him back out of a pass that he knew he could make.

Both Mika and Rubens made a strong argument that Schumacher was making a dangerous move. Considering the fact that Mika was pushed onto the grass and Rubens was pushed towards a concrete barrier it's actually surprising that Rubens didn't complain much more.... grass tends to be much more forgiving than concrete.

MS simply discovered that intimidation only works with some drivers, not all of them. And unlike some if not many drivers, MS at least admitted it was too hard of a move but also made it clear he wasn't trying to kill Rubens or anything of that nature.

Unlike Jackie Stewart in 1973 at that Paul Ricard like circuit called the Nurburgring ...... when Cevert triedg to PASS him, dear Jackie BANGED WHEELS and the Frenchman backed off.

Afterwards, JYS declared how wonderful Francois was because he could have passed him at any time but was the wonderful teammate and followed the Scot home.

Cevert told teh real story a while later and added that you do not try passing Jackie TWICE when he bangs your wheels!

The who furore over what happened in Hungary has more to do with that it was Schumi who defended strongly rather than the action itself.

The attacks on Schumi by ALL PEOPLE remains hypocrysy and despicable because it is a selective morality.

[Saint Devote]

I agree. Simliar to when you defend Jenson stating that he is within points of Lewis, but ignore the fact that Lewis has had two car failures while well into points paying positions.

As for Kobayashi and Jenson, Kobay moved while in front of Jenson, where Jenson had plenty of exit room on track. MS moved while alongside Rubens, where Rubens had a concrete wall next to him. It's a complete apples and oranges comparison, only brought up because Jenson had issues passing a driver that you don't rate as worthy enough to bother racing for position.

I wish that Lewis would have MORE car failures. Its not enough.

If you defend Kobayashi's actions towards either Jense or Nakajima and attack Schumi - then you seek tohave your cake AND eat it - Aristotle has demonstrated it is not possible.

[Valve Bounce]

I wish that Lewis would have MORE car failures. Its not enough.

If you defend Kobayashi's actions towards either Jense or Nakajima and attack Schumi - then you seek tohave your cake AND eat it - Aristotle has demonstrated it is not possible.

This guy is in denial, but I have to admit that he is fully entitled to what he believes in. That's what this discussion forum is all about.

The point I wish to make in this thread is that we had ex F1 drivers commentating at the track, and they not only directly saw what happened, but were able to watch numerous replays from different angles to form their opinions. From what they saw and with the benefit of their racing experience, they were able to come to a certain conclusion.

Then we have certain armchair viewers and they analyse what happened from a limited number of replays and their limited knowledge of F1 from their armchair racing experience.

OK! so I know whose interpretation and views I would rather believe. And no! its not the armchair brigade's. And I doubt Aristotle ever watched an F1 race.

[Saint Devote]

This guy is in denial, but I have to admit that he is fully entitled to what he believes in. That's what this discussion forum is all about.

The point I wish to make in this thread is that we had ex F1 drivers commentating at the track, and they not only directly saw what happened, but were able to watch numerous replays from different angles to form their opinions. From what they saw and with the benefit of their racing experience, they were able to come to a certain conclusion.

Then we have certain armchair viewers and they analyse what happened from a limited number of replays and their limited knowledge of F1 from their armchair racing experience.

OK! so I know whose interpretation and views I would rather believe. And no! its not the armchair brigade's. And I doubt Aristotle ever watched an F1 race.

I realize the reference to Aristotle was "Swiss Air" to you so we overlook that.

You may slavishly rely on the conclusions of others - which mostly include drivers who have had racing careers with little to remark over and nothing to look back on - and the self-righteous hypocrites who raced when tv cameras were absent and journalists did not seek sensationalist attraction.

On the other hand I stand by my view which is less popular because I am supportive of Schumi - but you see on MY side I have Michael Schumacher the man who has won more world titles than anyone else, more grands prix than anyone else and more..... well you get the picture.

These same people who have railed out against Schumacher I recall are the same ones who voted Senna as being the best driver ever ............

Double standards and hypocrysy once again.

[ShiftingGears]

I wish that Lewis would have MORE car failures. Its not enough.

Because Button isn't fast enough?

[Valve Bounce]

I realize the reference to Aristotle was "Swiss Air" to you so we overlook that.

You may slavishly rely on the conclusions of others - which mostly include drivers who have had racing careers with little to remark over and nothing to look back on - and the self-righteous hypocrites who raced when tv cameras were absent and journalists did not seek sensationalist attraction.

On the other hand I stand by my view which is less popular because I am supportive of Schumi - but you see on MY side I have Michael Schumacher the man who has won more world titles than anyone else, more grands prix than anyone else and more..... well you get the picture.

These same people who have railed out against Schumacher I recall are the same ones who voted Senna as being the best driver ever ............

Double standards and hypocrysy once again.

Sorry to read that you have such a low opinion of Niki Lauda, Eddie Irvine, Martin Brundle, David Coulthard, and Mark Webber, but you see, even SchM doesn't support your view. So you don't have SchM on your side. You are just making up a story all by yourself, the armchair expert.

So there, Aristotle, you are correct, and all these guys are wrong.

[Saint Devote]

Because Button isn't fast enough?

Eh?! No. Lewis is one of the enemy.

Even if he were 26th and Jense was 1st during a race I would want the same thing. I like to see Lewis' car breaking down during a race - Hungary was just so sweet :D

[CNR]

http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=24029:f1--jos-verstappen-not-impressed-by-michael-schumacher-hungarian-apology&catid=1:f1&Itemid=157

[Saint Devote]

Sorry to read that you have such a low opinion of Niki Lauda, Eddie Irvine, Martin Brundle, David Coulthard, and Mark Webber, but you see, even SchM doesn't support your view. So you don't have SchM on your side. You are just making up a story all by yourself, the armchair expert.

So there, Aristotle, you are correct, and all these guys are wrong.

I wrote MOSTLY - I do not include Lauda. I disagree with him and he is defintely not one of the hypocrites. The other drivers you mention I really dont care about. Mark Webber is one of the biggest hypocrytes - just ask Alonso what happened in Germany in 2009.

But its not about right or wrong - it is about different approaches to racing.

I happen to agree with the way Senna and Schumacher have led their racing careers with an attacking and vehement defensive style.

Its not that Schumacher agrees with me - I approve of HIS style of racing - so I guess my English was a little back to front there.

[Valve Bounce]

I wrote MOSTLY - I do not include Lauda. I disagree with him and he is defintely not one of the hypocrites. The other drivers you mention I really dont care about. Mark Webber is one of the biggest hypocrytes - just ask Alonso what happened in Germany in 2009.

But its not about right or wrong - it is about different approaches to racing.

I happen to agree with the way Senna and Schumacher have led their racing careers with an attacking and vehement defensive style.

Its not that Schumacher agrees with me - I approve of HIS style of racing - so I guess my English was a little back to front there.

OK! I have the picture: YOU are right, and all these guys are wrong. And you are a Saint, and all these other guys, except Niki, are hypocrites.
Score one for the armchair expert.

[Valve Bounce]

Maybe if all the top drivers Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, Webber, Kubica, Schumacher etc dropped out of each race through mechanical failures and paved the way for Button to win, you'd have the race of your life.

I'd rather watch a race where Button/other wins against the best in the world and on merit rather than through the misfortune of others. To be honest I think your stance is rather desperate and not a stance of your average F1 fan. Its pretty clear you watch the sport for very different reasons than nearly everyone on this forum. :mark:

Agreed!

[Sonic]

These same people who have railed out against Schumacher I recall are the same ones who voted Senna as being the best driver ever ............

Double standards and hypocrysy once again.

I think I'm right in saying Schu himself also voted Senna the best driver ever, yet held a very different view in '93 I believe when he remonstrated with Flav that Senna had tried to kill him and that "somone needs to do something about him" (aprox quote).

Schumacher has always shared Senna's driven desire to win, which is why both were loved and hated in equal measure, and however much I admire Schu for still having the same fighting spirit down in 10th as he did fighting for championships somewhere deep down he has to realise what made him "special" is gone.

He is being hammered by Rosberg, and as you yourself pointed out in another thread, only the championship result matters and the rest is BS. MS hashalf Nico's points and no podiums. If any other driver on the grid were so under performing and getting into silly scrapes as well they'd be gone - but for a 7WDC excuses are made. I for one wish to change my vote to see old man time retire for good before he really hurts himself.

[Saint Devote]

Maybe if all the top drivers Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, Webber, Kubica, Schumacher etc dropped out of each race through mechanical failures and paved the way for Button to win, you'd have the race of your life.

I'd rather watch a race where Button/other wins against the best in the world and on merit rather than through the misfortune of others. To be honest I think your stance is rather desperate and not a stance of your average F1 fan. Its pretty clear you watch the sport for very different reasons than nearly everyone on this forum. :mark:

No, just a Lewis mechanical destruction derby now and again is great - he is the UBER enemy and I just cant stand him :D

[Saint Devote]

I think I'm right in saying Schu himself also voted Senna the best driver ever, yet held a very different view in '93 I believe when he remonstrated with Flav that Senna had tried to kill him and that "somone needs to do something about him" (aprox quote).

Schumacher has always shared Senna's driven desire to win, which is why both were loved and hated in equal measure, and however much I admire Schu for still having the same fighting spirit down in 10th as he did fighting for championships somewhere deep down he has to realise what made him "special" is gone.

He is being hammered by Rosberg, and as you yourself pointed out in another thread, only the championship result matters and the rest is BS. MS hashalf Nico's points and no podiums. If any other driver on the grid were so under performing and getting into silly scrapes as well they'd be gone - but for a 7WDC excuses are made. I for one wish to change my vote to see old man time retire for good before he really hurts himself.

Lets get to the real world - just because somneone objects to something being done to them, does not imply that they will not do the same to another.

I disagree. That so-called "special" quality never had anything mystical about it. Schumi relies on his ability and his technique of logic and reason - as does Ross Brawn - they always did.

The testing ban and the tyre situation makes it that much more difficult to develop a car in the current environment. Given a RB6 Schumi would have won easily.

Schumacher requires that a car be exactly to his liking.

He will win again because he has not changed.

[Mia 01]

Lets get to the real world - just because somneone objects to something being done to them, does not imply that they will not do the same to another.

I disagree. That so-called "special" quality never had anything mystical about it. Schumi relies on his ability and his technique of logic and reason - as does Ross Brawn - they always did.

The testing ban and the tyre situation makes it that much more difficult to develop a car in the current environment. Given a RB6 Schumi would have won easily.

Schumacher requires that a car be exactly to his liking.

He will win again because he has not changed.

Perhaps this is why he wont win again.

[Sonic]

Given a RB6 Schumi would have won easily.


Or perhaps he would have his ass handed to him by Vettel or Webber as he's hardly the leading light in the team he's currently in.



Schumacher requires that a car be exactly to his liking.


Never used to. That 310 was a dog and yet he hustled it along just fine. Schu used to be devestating when the car was to his liking, but it was never a requirement before.

[Valve Bounce]

Or perhaps he would have his ass handed to him by Vettel or Webber as he's hardly the leading light in the team he's currently in.



Never used to. That 310 was a dog and yet he hustled it along just fine. Schu used to be devestating when the car was to his liking, but it was never a requirement before.

Please do not argue with the armchair expert - it is pointless; sorta like feeding fillet steak to your goldfish.

[ioan]

Never used to. That 310 was a dog and yet he hustled it along just fine. Schu used to be devestating when the car was to his liking, but it was never a requirement before.

Exactly.

[airshifter]

Unlike Jackie Stewart in 1973 at that Paul Ricard like circuit called the Nurburgring ...... when Cevert triedg to PASS him, dear Jackie BANGED WHEELS and the Frenchman backed off.

Afterwards, JYS declared how wonderful Francois was because he could have passed him at any time but was the wonderful teammate and followed the Scot home.

Cevert told teh real story a while later and added that you do not try passing Jackie TWICE when he bangs your wheels!

The who furore over what happened in Hungary has more to do with that it was Schumi who defended strongly rather than the action itself.

The attacks on Schumi by ALL PEOPLE remains hypocrysy and despicable because it is a selective morality.


You apparently seem to think I'm a Schumacher hater, which I'm far from. As a matter of fact I was one of the ones who thought he would be on a podium by now, though I've been proven wrong. I'm also one of the few forum members who took great joy in MS passing Alonso at Monaco after the green lights came on after the safety car. Though he took a penalty for the mistakes of the FIA people at the track, Alonso was obviously trying in vain to defend and fail.

As for your nonsense comparison, really it makes MS look worse. He failed to intimidate Rubens, as Rubens made the pass the first time. So he made a dangerous move attempting to block, yet still failed.

[Eunos]

Penalty seems fair to me :)

[Saint Devote]

Or perhaps he would have his ass handed to him by Vettel or Webber as he's hardly the leading light in the team he's currently in.



Never used to. That 310 was a dog and yet he hustled it along just fine. Schu used to be devestating when the car was to his liking, but it was never a requirement before.

Schumi's setup was always oversteer to the point that the rear of the car is extremely loose - the essential problem is that there is still too much understeer in the Mercedes.

I reckon too many people - and British voices of criticism other than Ross Brawn's are always suspect because it is well known that Schumacher is hated there - WANT Schumi to fail.

Remember the Mercedes Board are not completely supportive of a works f1 team. It was really the influence of MB CEO Dieter Zetsche that swayed the decision and set it for three years.

They are the best place to judge Schumi as is the German driver himself. So far the Mercedes people have been strongly supportive.

And Schumi himself is not someone that would be in f1 if he concluded that it was a useless cause. If he ever does, then he would retire again immediately.

Schumacher has beaten Rosberg on several occasions. I think the best assessment will be in 2011.

[Saint Devote]

You apparently seem to think I'm a Schumacher hater, which I'm far from. As a matter of fact I was one of the ones who thought he would be on a podium by now, though I've been proven wrong. I'm also one of the few forum members who took great joy in MS passing Alonso at Monaco after the green lights came on after the safety car. Though he took a penalty for the mistakes of the FIA people at the track, Alonso was obviously trying in vain to defend and fail.

As for your nonsense comparison, really it makes MS look worse. He failed to intimidate Rubens, as Rubens made the pass the first time. So he made a dangerous move attempting to block, yet still failed.

How can anyone know an outcome before it is tried?

What amazes me is how many are pretending that such tactics are so very strange to motor racing and further pretend that f1 drivers are somehow pure angels. Its pathetic really.

Its because it was Schumi and there are many with antagonistic intentions.

[Saint Devote]

Never used to. That 310 was a dog and yet he hustled it along just fine. Schu used to be devestating when the car was to his liking, but it was never a requirement before.

This is a different era. The ban on testing aggravated by control tyres and all the other drivers with three years start cannot be compared.

And yet he has still outqualified and outraced Rosberg a few times.

This is an amazing rush to judgement drawing subjective conclusions.

It reminds me of how people were towards Jenson for so long. I am right about Schumi as well.

[Saint Devote]

Perhaps this is why he wont win again.

I recall a prominent British motor racing journalist writing after Alonso left Mclaren that the Spaniard would never be signed by another top team again and would also never win another grand prix.

Like most people you underestimate the make-up of a world champion racing driver - especially such a unique driver as Michael Schumacher.

[ioan]

Like most people you underestimate the make-up of a world champion racing driver - especially such a unique driver as Michael Schumacher.

In order to understimate him Mia first needs to to start doing something he/she obviously doesn't do before posting.

[Valve Bounce]

In order to understimate him Mia first needs to to start doing something he/she obviously doesn't do before posting.

See a soothsayer? :D

[ArrowsFA1]

Its because it was Schumi and there are many with antagonistic intentions.
No. It's about what he does, not who he is or what he has achieved.

[Sonic]

And yet he has still outqualified and outraced Rosberg a few times.


Er, twice to be exact. Other drivers being so soundly beaten have either lost their drives or are under serious pressure by now.



This is an amazing rush to judgement drawing subjective conclusions.


There is nothing subjective here. Rosberg; 94 points, Schumacher; 38 points. I also believe iit is 9-2 in qualifying in favour of Nico. On top of that just how many times has Schumacher been passed on track this year? I don't have the statistics to hand but i'd wager he has been overtaken more times this season than any other.

As for your suggestion that this is a national hatred of Schumacher from the British, well of that reallt is your opinion of the world I pity you.

[Valve Bounce]

No. It's about what he does, not who he is or what he has achieved.

I think you are arguing with somebody morphed from a previous persona who didn't really like SchM that much. But now he considers it avant garde to take the opposite stance just to puff his chest out.

[ioan]

No. It's about what he does, not who he is or what he has achieved.

Sure sure, suddenly the stewards are 100% objective (only when it suits your POV)!
What else?! :\

[ioan]

People here are also pretty fed up with your flamebaiting in nearly every thread you take part in, so join the club. :rolleyes:

I am not a fan of SD's way of posting but he has the right to post whatever his opinion is, all you can do it try to answer him in a civilized manner.

[Saint Devote]

No. It's about what he does, not who he is or what he has achieved.

You do not even notice how out of proportion the reaction is?

What we have seen since Hungary is not criticism of Schumacher but the release of a rage that simmers and is constantly seeking explosion.

The comments by once great publications - now only usefeul - such as Autopsort and supposed "fans", are just outrageous.

Take a look at how people on pitlane have reacted. Reasonable comments - although I so not agree of course - to his fellow drivers who have said nothng.

Eben Barrichello has calmed down although I think the crux of his argument - one of role model - is erroneous.

[Saint Devote]

Er, twice to be exact. Other drivers being so soundly beaten have either lost their drives or are under serious pressure by now.



There is nothing subjective here. Rosberg; 94 points, Schumacher; 38 points. I also believe iit is 9-2 in qualifying in favour of Nico. On top of that just how many times has Schumacher been passed on track this year? I don't have the statistics to hand but i'd wager he has been overtaken more times this season than any other.

As for your suggestion that this is a national hatred of Schumacher from the British, well of that reallt is your opinion of the world I pity you.

Outqualified by Rosberg but that is the face of it. The difference is approach to quaifying. There is a great ignorance how Schumi does this. The media with is pop culture nature and the rise of the low attention span Blackberry and sound bite culture makes this a very different world for Schumi.

In Hungary for example, neither of the Mercedes cars were doing well. Rosberg merely tried adjustments and looked to set a time. Schumacher in the short space of time tried to figure out a good solution not merely attempt to dial around it.

This involved adjusting weight distribution. You see this is quintessential Schumacher and why he was able to make Ferrari not only win again but destroy and dominate the opposition.

This is a driver who understood that he could not win so instead lets try and move forward with the car. Schumi understands a high level of engineering and this is vital to a team.

There is so much misunderstanding of this driver and the disgrace is that generally the English media do NOT care or want to. All they want to do, along with his many detractors is bay for his blood.

Same as his driving. Have you tried to understand the quintessential Villeneuve or Senna for that matter? For if you do and you watch what happened with Barrichello in Hungary you would not shout at Schumi but understand his level.

You know who understood what Villeneuve was doing while all those around him criticized? Enzo Ferrari.

Today in f1 if you do not push to the limit - and a limit that will frighten many and especially in these days of psuedo morality - aka political correctness - you cannot win.

So where is the limit? A driver such as Schumacher has a limit of proportion not fathomed and makes people frightened including a man that is indeed a legend in his own mind, Barrichello.

Just look at the Hungary move - at all times Schumi is watching what is going on. He knows where the wall is, he knows where Rubens is and he completely understands how far he can go and broke it off because on new tyres Rubens was already 2 seconds quicker than Schumi on worn ones. This is magnificent racing at the highest level that few can get to.

Whats the difference between Senna going quicker and quicker at Monte Carlo and then stopping because he though he was going TOO quick and what Schumi was doing? Nothing.

Just that the limit risk involved only Ayrton and in Hungary it onvolved another driver that became very frightened - Barrichello.

Emotions ran high and unfortunately Rubens is Rubens as we also saw in Spain 2009 has complexes.

I think we are going in circles now on this thread - but I have tried to expalin why I view this differently and how you have to realize that amongst drivers there is indeed a hierachy.

Mansell when asked, said he was "prepared to die" to win at Silverstone. Understand Mansell and you will understand Schumi too.

[Saint Devote]

Firstly how do you know what the overall opinion of Michael Schumacher is here when a) You don't even live in Britain, and b) you don't even properly read the majority of the posts on here anyway? Select memory I fear.

You often state how you hate people with any form of national pride when supporting a driver and how you think a drivers nationality should not come into things, yet you continually bring up the subject with lines like the 'the proud Scot' and 'the German' when addressing drivers in your posts. You mention nationality on here more than anybody!! So is it really British fans hating Michael because he is German or is it YOU having a problem with British posters in general?? Having an opinion that what Michael did in the last race was potentially dangerous is based on the action itself, not because people are just seizing the opportunity to lynch Michael. Thats pretty obvious and the fact you choose to ignore that aspect is your prerogative.

People here are also pretty fed up with your flamebaiting in nearly every thread you take part in, so join the club. :rolleyes:

I use nationality as a description and from how I know it is viewed by the person. Hamilton is VERY proud of his Grenadian heritage and so is Coulthard who frequently has worn a kilt.

I never use the word hate here - you did - I disapprove of those who used nationalism to power themselves because that does not make them who they are. We make ourselves who we are.

T think I have read the British press compared to the Italian and French to know exactly where too many Vrits stand regarding Schumacher.

And what are you saying? You like Schumacher and hope that he succeeds and that is the way you were when he was beating up on poor Day-mOn?

You talk about me not knowing how the WHOLE of Britain views Schumi - then you immediately place yourself as being representative of this board - that is very funny :D

You constantly accuse me of being of "flamebaiting". You may view the world that cynically but I do not. These are my views and I do not have to apologize for them to you. What club?

No smiley face at he end of your post? A little gwumpy then?

[airshifter]

Well this annoys me. And I cant stand the Schumi-haters at the best of times.





I reckon too many people - and British voices of criticism other than Ross Brawn's are always suspect because it is well known that Schumacher is hated there - WANT Schumi to fail.




No, St D would never use the word "hate" here, ever! :laugh:


It's amazing that a person claims to know what all of us think and why, when even a professional meeting that person face to face often struggles with the task. It's even more amazing when that person disregards the track record of that persons postings here. Sure I would agree there are some biased opinions here, mostly ALL of them. And actually some "haters" too. But the vast majority of posters, while maintaining at least some small amount of bias, will admit when their favorite drivers or teams screw up.

And, at the end of the day, the vast majority of posters see through the BS laid down by some and realize that there will be differences in opinion. And all but a few will understand that their opinion is no more or less valid that anothers, even when that other person claims to be the all knowing of all things motorsport.




Mike once again proved why his history often comes back to haunt him, and I can say that without hating Germans, or without being biased towards the British.

[Saint Devote]

No, St D would never use the word "hate" here, ever! :laugh:

Mike once again proved why his history often comes back to haunt him, and I can say that without hating Germans, or without being biased towards the British.

Use of the word in a personal description - Of course I used it generally.

Schumi's history, as Senna's is not determined by several incidents - but by their achievement on the race track and their level of ability.

[Valve Bounce]

I am not a fan of SD's way of posting but he has the right to post whatever his opinion is, all you can do it try to answer him in a civilized manner.

I agree. He can post whatever he wishes, and we can either answer it or ignore it. BUt I have to admit, the guy is funny.

[markabilly]

thought the investigation was over and the only thing to argue about was the nickname?

personally I go with Schuie rather than Schumi, because Chopschumi sorta sounds weird

[wedge]

I suspect that pressure from Mercedes forced Michael to make some kind of apology given the negative publicity the incident has caused. After all, we are told that he is a great asset to the manufacturer in PR terms.

He was forced to do a similar thing after Jerez '97 but then, as now, you get the sense that they're just words...unless he has changed, but his actions on Sunday suggest he hasn't.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8903535.stm


Rubens Barrichello says Michael Schumacher did not personally say sorry to him after his widely-criticised move that nearly forced the Brazilian into the pit wall in the Hungarian Grand Prix. Initially unrepentant, Schumacher eventually issued an apology on his official website. "I did not receive a phone call," Barrichello told reporters during a karting day in his native Sao Paulo. "I have no regrets. Now we move on."

Full story: F1SA.com

[Saint Devote]

Rubens moves on?

Who is he trying to kid here? The Brazilian, is no more over this than he is over Schumacher as a teammate.

Complex City, USA!

[Robinho]

Use of the word in a personal description - Of course I used it generally.

Schumi's history, as Senna's is not determined by several incidents - but by their achievement on the race track and their level of ability.

you missed the crucial words "ONLY" and "ALSO" out there, it really should read

Schumi's history, as Senna's is not determined only by several incidents - but also by their achievement on the race track and their level of ability.

you can't re write history to blank out the bits you don't like any more than any political regimes have tried in the past.

[Saint Devote]

Abit like your view of Ruben's and Hamilton in that case then. I wonder if Ruben's still goes on about a triathlon which happened three years ago? Some move on and some don't.

I mention it only when detailing why I have a low regard for Hamilton's character.

But he is relatively young, has always been mollycoddled and perhaps one day will change.

[call_me_andrew]

Schumi is accountable now? I guess the Schumi is on the other foot.


Oh yes, I made a pun.

[Saint Devote]

Schumi is accountable now? I guess the Schumi is on the other foot.


Oh yes, I made a pun.

Brazil is not well served by two drivers that cannot let go.

Massa perhaps realizing that 2008 is the best it will ever get for him [after Ferrari it is not probable that a top team will sign him] blames Nelsinho Piquet for his loss of the WDC in 2008. THAT is ridiculous.

Barrichello bears a grudge against Schumi ignoring the FACT that Schumi put that Ferrari team together and if Schumi had wanted it, he [Barrichello] would have been OUT.

Next time Rubens flies in his private jet to Brazil or to a grand prix he should spend time reflecting that he was EXTREMELY well paid by Ferrari and that he could have stood by his principles instead of accepting the money.

[Valve Bounce]

Yeah! the guy should be on both knees thanking SchM for trying to run him into a concrete wall. Some people don't have any sense of showing gratitude, especially Brazilians.

[Big Ben]

I think you should put a Hamilton biography on your wish list this christmas because you show a stunning lack of knowledge in that particular field.

Come on... don't say that. I really don't understand why should anyone read the biography of Hamilton... or Rooney.... or Beckham

[Valve Bounce]

Come on... don't say that. I really don't understand why should anyone read the biography of Hamilton... or Rooney.... or Beckham

I think Mark Latham's biography is far more interesting. :p :

[Saint Devote]

It is about time a driver stands up and tells it like it really was and that there was NOTHING that Schumi did wrong - he defended and knew exactly what he was doing and how far to go. Without any reason to apologize. New Age crap. Maybe its time for Pedi-Chanello to retire.

Thanks to Gerhard Berger the pretense and self-righteousness of those critical of Schumi at the Hungaroring is illuminated.

I have been around f1 since I was a kid and remember VERY well personally the tactics used by many of the drivers who point a finger.

And anyone that remembers f1 since the mid-70's right up to and including into the 90's knows it.

Right on Gerhard - the white cloud cotton candy view of f1 drivers driving is such BS!

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=381889&FS=F1

[Saint Devote]

I think you should put a Hamilton biography on your wish list this christmas because you show a stunning lack of knowledge in that particular field.

I dont read fairy stories - I observe what Hamilton does - the triathlon "challenge" and subsequent avoidance and his betrayal of Davey Ryan are sufficient evidence of moral cowardice.

[Valve Bounce]

Yeah! and Niki Lauda knows ??? Like what???
Personally, I'd take Niki's assessment rather than Gerhard's, but there are also other drivers and ex drivers who share Niki's viewpoint.

[Saint Devote]

You could have made your post even more sensational by name dropping someone like Radovan Karadzic in comparison and perform a complete character assassination of the cowardly Lewis. You obviously have inside information from Mclaren and know more than you are letting on. Please tell. ;)

Your post is rather hysterical.

All I do is judge Hamilton by his actions.

Did he whimp out of the triathlon challenge he made to Jenson? Yes.
Did he get his "daddy" [his words] to make the excuse? Yes.
Did he lie TWICE to the FIA and then along with the others point the blame at Dave Ryan? Yes. And those of long standing in pitlane and the racing press were appalled.

I dont like that type of mawkish character. My post is not "character assassination" - its what happened.

You may not care that the driver you support is lacking moral courage. I do.

[Saint Devote]

Yeah! and Niki Lauda knows ??? Like what???
Personally, I'd take Niki's assessment rather than Gerhard's, but there are also other drivers and ex drivers who share Niki's viewpoint.

Its not an asessment - Berger is at last reminding people just what it was like and how there are those who point fingers at Schumacher now, but conveniently ignore the truth of the past.

I remember that past. It has been extremely disappointing to see certain ex-drivers point at Schumacher considering THEIR past.

And in my view, Schumi did nothing wrong and compared to how f1 was even into the 90's the hysteria is laughable.

I reckon Senna would have been disgusted at the hypocrisy. But thats f1 today - the pretense is everything.

But there are bright lights - Alonso publicly refused to turn his back on Briatore and Webber refused to abandon him too. Good strong guys.

[Valve Bounce]

You could have made your post even more sensational by name dropping someone like Radovan Karadzic in comparison and perform a complete character assassination of the cowardly Lewis. You obviously have inside information from Mclaren and know more than you are letting on. Please tell. ;)


The inside information comes from the Golders Green Weakly. :D

[Valve Bounce]

Its not an asessment - Berger is at last reminding people just what it was like and how there are those who point fingers at Schumacher now, but conveniently ignore the truth of the past.

I remember that past. It has been extremely disappointing to see certain ex-drivers point at Schumacher considering THEIR past.

And in my view, Schumi did nothing wrong and compared to how f1 was even into the 90's the hysteria is laughable.

I reckon Senna would have been disgusted at the hypocrisy. But thats f1 today - the pretense is everything.

But there are bright lights - Alonso publicly refused to turn his back on Briatore and Webber refused to abandon him too. Good strong guys.

Yeah!! you are right!! why don't you write to Niki and tell him how disapointed you are. :p : :D

[markabilly]

Your post is rather hysterical.

All I do is judge Hamilton by his actions.

Did he whimp out of the triathlon challenge he made to Jenson? Yes.
Did he get his "daddy" [his words] to make the excuse? Yes.
Did he lie TWICE to the FIA and then along with the others point the blame at Dave Ryan? Yes. And those of long standing in pitlane and the racing press were appalled.

I dont like that type of mawkish character. My post is not "character assassination" - its what happened.

You may not care that the driver you support is lacking moral courage. I do.

You forgot something.....
He is also lacking a "born in the USA" pedigree...and goes racing on sunday instead of church





Its not an asessment - Berger is at last reminding people just what it was like and how there are those who point fingers at Schumacher now, but conveniently ignore the truth of the past.

I remember that past. It has been extremely disappointing to see certain ex-drivers point at Schumacher considering THEIR past.

And in my view, Schumi did nothing wrong and compared to how f1 was even into the 90's the hysteria is laughable.

I reckon Senna would have been disgusted at the hypocrisy. But thats f1 today - the pretense is everything.

But there are bright lights - Alonso publicly refused to turn his back on Briatore and Webber refused to abandon him too. Good strong guys.


Yeah, but if the guys had "moral courage" and were "good strong guys", they would step up like your hero of natural justice, ole el luca loco, and say, "we did it, so shut up, you whinging whiners..... :rotflmao:

but no, old chopschuie is writing on his website "sorry" for scaring poor Rubino

and worse, old flavio is still hiding in the closet with his thong, and If I were Alonso, I would "publicly refuse to turn my back" for fear of what I might find in my back or a little lower :eek:

[Saint Devote]

Yeah!! you are right!! why don't you write to Niki and tell him how disapointed you are. :p : :D

Its not him I refer to.

I would never include Lauda in any criticism I make. It was Niki Lauda that intervened in the pits directly when as a kid, a friend and I were on the verge of being thrown out by a very angry Daniele Audetto immediately after the race - which Niki won - we managed to get ourselves locked in the garage with the team.

At most I disagree with Lauda on certain issues - NEVER criticize or attack, ever. He is for me on the same level as Jody, Nigel and Jense.

[Saint Devote]

You forgot something.....
He is also lacking a "born in the USA" pedigree...and goes racing on sunday instead of church

Yeah, but if the guys had "moral courage" and were "good strong guys", they would step up like your hero of natural justice, ole el luca loco, and say, "we did it, so shut up, you whinging whiners..... :rotflmao:

but no, old chopschuie is writing on his website "sorry" for scaring poor Rubino

and worse, old flavio is still hiding in the closet with his thong, and If I were Alonso, I would "publicly refuse to turn my back" for fear of what I might find in my back or a little lower :eek:

I never understand what you are writing. It is such a random walk - not chaotic - as a pattern in that case can be discerned.

Your style is more like downed power lines that bounce around and come into contact with puddles of water every few seconds.

[Valve Bounce]

Its not him I refer to.

I would never include Lauda in any criticism I make. It was Niki Lauda that intervened in the pits directly when as a kid, a friend and I were on the verge of being thrown out by a very angry Daniele Audetto immediately after the race - which Niki won - we managed to get ourselves locked in the garage with the team.

At most I disagree with Lauda on certain issues - NEVER criticize or attack, ever. He is for me on the same level as Jody, Nigel and Jense.

Well, did you read what he said about SchM (shoeiiiii) 's forcing Rubens towards the pit wall? or are you selectively ignoring those who you admire but disagree with your version of events?

[markabilly]

I never understand what you are writing. It is such a random walk - not chaotic - as a pattern in that case can be discerned.

Your style is more like downed power lines that bounce around and come into contact with puddles of water every few seconds.


Double thanks.

First, I would worry if you did understand.........and explains your problem understanding the deal about schuie and some other things as well

and second, as to style, thanks again, I did not know it was so electrifying--- :up:

be careful, as electricity can burn and kill... :hot: ...Henners and Valverino Bump would hate to see you any more sparked up and burned then u are already, and no doubt would be whining about me again

[Daniel]

I'm glad my previous post provided you with a rib splitting laugh, and I'm glad you now know how it feels to be on the receiving end lol ;) .

Some rather questionable choices with your words however and dare I say 'sensational' once again? I'm really not going to go over the triathlon thing again because it is pointless, childish, and off topic. I probably care as much about it as Jenson does, and thats not alot.

So have we reached an agreement over a suitable nickname for Schuey guys? :p
Oh now you're just being morkish for the sake of it!

http://renchin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/mork.jpg

Nanoo nanoo!

[Saint Devote]

I'm glad my previous post provided you with a rib splitting laugh, and I'm glad you now know how it feels to be on the receiving end lol ;) .

Some rather questionable choices with your words however and dare I say 'sensational' once again? I'm really not going to go over the triathlon thing again because it is pointless, childish, and off topic. I probably care as much about it as Jenson does, and thats not alot.

So have we reached an agreement over a suitable nickname for Schuey guys? :p

As it is said in the great State of Texas: it don't make me wrong boy ..... - just that you dont have an answer.
Uh-huh.

[Robinho]

STD you twist and turn like a twisty turny thing.

you've recently commented on how Schumi and Senna are judged on their acheivements not the few incidents they have been inviolved in, but here do not afford Hamilton the same luxury.

On the Newey thread you were keen to press home your point that today F1 is a very different sport than it used to be and that the corporate body should not tolerate the idea of the "gentlemen race" amongst other things, but then criticise drivers for not acting more like the drivers of yore.

You absolutely cannot have your cake and eat it

You mention how long standing members of the paddock and press were appalled by Hamilton, but reject the opinions of the same "long standees" who criticised Schumi, or the Ferrari team for the Nurburgring debacle.

[markabilly]

As it is said in the great State of Texas: it don't make me wrong boy ..... - just that you dont have an answer.
Uh-huh.
they never say that in the great state of texas, except maybe in some yankee yonker's dream by someone who don't know no better :rolleyes:

[PSfan]

So have we reached an agreement over a suitable nickname for Schuey guys? :p

Can I nominate a few new ones?

How bout "Seven"? I suspect that will be the number of wdc's he'll have when he retires... again...

Or "Killer" that ones for the RB fans

Or "Hero" though I'm sure nobody else remembers the thread... or his $1 million donation...

[PSfan]

Oh, and strangely, I find entertaining to compare this thread, and one from last year:

http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133120

I have no problem with the grid penalty, if its applied to all offenders in the future, but sadly I don't believe the FIA are capable of being that consistant...

[Saint Devote]

they never say that in the great state of texas, except maybe in some yankee yonker's dream by someone who don't know no better :rolleyes:

OMG its the downed powerline again.

Well you would say that - next time show some respect for the state at least by spelling with a capital T. Jeez!

Yankee yonkers - thats funny :rotflmao:

[Saint Devote]

Can I nominate a few new ones?

How bout "Seven"? I suspect that will be the number of wdc's he'll have when he retires... again...

Or "Killer" that ones for the RB fans

Or "Hero" though I'm sure nobody else remembers the thread... or his $1 million donation...

I like the name "Killer". So that girls like Pedi-Chanello will stay out of the way.

[PSfan]

I like the name "Killer". So that girls like Pedi-Chanello will stay out of the way.


Oh I would so love to see the look on MS' face if a journalist came up to him and asks "Hey Killer, plan on squeezing anybody into a wall this race?"

[Saint Devote]

Oh I would so love to see the look on MS' face if a journalist came up to him and asks "Hey Killer, plan on squeezing anybody into a wall this race?"

Well the classless "journalist" would deserve a punch in the mouth because he would be rude and wrong.

[Valve Bounce]

Yeah! give him a knuckle sandwich. :eek:

[Retro Formula 1]

STD you twist and turn like a twisty turny thing.

you've recently commented on how Schumi and Senna are judged on their acheivements not the few incidents they have been inviolved in, but here do not afford Hamilton the same luxury.

On the Newey thread you were keen to press home your point that today F1 is a very different sport than it used to be and that the corporate body should not tolerate the idea of the "gentlemen race" amongst other things, but then criticise drivers for not acting more like the drivers of yore.

You absolutely cannot have your cake and eat it

You mention how long standing members of the paddock and press were appalled by Hamilton, but reject the opinions of the same "long standees" who criticised Schumi, or the Ferrari team for the Nurburgring debacle.

I noticed that STD has missed responding to this post in favor of ones more complimentary to his views.

Mr STD, will you not answer this argument and give us some indication on where you really stand? There are many, many examples on here where you change your mind to suit you point at every opportunity. The hypocrisy of your revolving stance is breathtaking and personally, I find it rather immature.

Do you have an original viewpoint or are you content to flimflam this forum of reasoned debate?

Please have the audacity to explain your philosophy of Motor Sport because to mere members like me, it appears you are just using contradictory logic from post to post in the vain hope of winning some theoretical point.

Surely you have some beliefs, some original thought, some principles or are you just trolling.

[Valve Bounce]

I noticed that STD has missed responding to this post in favor of ones more complimentary to his views.

Mr STD, will you not answer this argument and give us some indication on where you really stand? There are many, many examples on here where you change your mind to suit you point at every opportunity. The hypocrisy of your revolving stance is breathtaking and personally, I find it rather immature.

Do you have an original viewpoint or are you content to flimflam this forum of reasoned debate?

Please have the audacity to explain your philosophy of Motor Sport because to mere members like me, it appears you are just using contradictory logic from post to post in the vain hope of winning some theoretical point.

Surely you have some beliefs, some original thought, some principles or are you just trolling.

Give him time!! he needs to consult the Golders Green Weakly. :D

[Robinho]

Well the classless "journalist" would deserve a punch in the mouth because he would be rude and wrong.

Yeah, that would fit in with todays highly professional corporate governed F1, as you delighted in telling us, F1 has moved on a lot since the 70's, to the point where team members shouldn't be allowed to have hobbies and Drivers should be sacked for showing up their team.

I assume in this case you would advocate the public flogging of a driver who acted like it was 30 years ago and disgraced his employer by committing an act of assault in public, maybe even on camera?

[Daniel]

I noticed that STD has missed responding to this post in favor of ones more complimentary to his views.

Mr STD, will you not answer this argument and give us some indication on where you really stand? There are many, many examples on here where you change your mind to suit you point at every opportunity. The hypocrisy of your revolving stance is breathtaking and personally, I find it rather immature.

Do you have an original viewpoint or are you content to flimflam this forum of reasoned debate?

Please have the audacity to explain your philosophy of Motor Sport because to mere members like me, it appears you are just using contradictory logic from post to post in the vain hope of winning some theoretical point.

Surely you have some beliefs, some original thought, some principles or are you just trolling.

:up:

That's the posting equivalent of one of Saint Devotes mythical knuckle sandwiches

[Retro Formula 1]

:up:

That's the posting equivalent of one of Saint Devotes mythical knuckle sandwiches


Nay my friend. Merely a flick on the bonce with a feather duster; Ken Dodd style.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedymap/img/ep5/ken_dodd_512.jpg

[Daniel]

Stop being so mawkish ffs!

[SGWilko]

Nay my friend. Merely a flick on the bonce with a feather duster; Ken Dodd style.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedymap/img/ep5/ken_dodd_512.jpg

But don't forget your tax returns, eh?

[Dave B]

Bloody hell I'll be glad when there's some racing to talk about. :\

[Daniel]

Bloody hell I'll be glad when there's some racing to talk about. :\
You watch you don't get a knuckle sandwich with words like that Dave! The F1 forum is a dangerous and violent place these days! :p

[pino]

Please once again keep it on topic and quit personal comments thank you ! :rolleyes:

[Dave B]

Pin, what's the deal about using derogatory names for drivers, as opposed to commonly accepted nicknames? That seems to have gone unchallenged.

For example one could debate the provenance of Schumi / Schuey, but both are in everyday use and simply contractions of his surname; whereas the pejorative name for his former team-mate used in this thread seems to be entirely the invention of someone with an axe to grind.

[Valve Bounce]

Pin, what's the deal about using derogatory names for drivers, as opposed to commonly accepted nicknames? That seems to have gone unchallenged.

For example one could debate the provenance of Schumi / Schuey, but both are in everyday use and simply contractions of his surname; whereas the pejorative name for his former team-mate used in this thread seems to be entirely the invention of someone with an axe to grind.

Common, be real - we are talking about a really dull axe here. No need to get excited.

[Valve Bounce]

I can confirm that the nickname "Pedi-Chanello" is not widely used in Brazil at all. I asked a couple of Brazilian guys on another forum who happen to be Ferrari/Massa fans and they had never heard this phrase and Ruben's in the same breath. Looks like it is either a figment of someones imagination, or was made up on the spot to support a rather lame arguement. It has also been mentioned that there is virtually nothing on google that supports this claim, and how often is it that you can type something in there and nothing but this forum comes up? :p

:)

Well, did you check the Golders Green Weakly? :rolleyes:

[Daniel]

I can confirm that the nickname "Pedi-Chanello" is not widely used in Brazil at all. I asked a couple of Brazilian guys on another forum who happen to be Ferrari/Massa fans and they had never heard this phrase and Ruben's in the same breath. Looks like it is either a figment of someones imagination, or was made up on the spot to support a rather lame arguement. It has also been mentioned that there is virtually nothing on google that supports this claim, and how often is it that you can type something in there and nothing but this forum comes up? :p

Anyway, relating this back to Schumacher, I was reading a book on Tommy Byrne and Eddie Jordan mentions 'Schuey' in it on more than one occassion. Since Eddie gave Schuey his debut drive, could it be that Eddie gave birth to 'Schuey's' widespread nickname before he became popular with the masses at Hockenheim? I doubt it, but it sure does make the point that no nickname is totally correct IMO. :)

A quick search reveals that no other sites show this nickname either :rotflmao:

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Pedi-Chanello+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=805c3727f54cac78

[pallone col bracciale]

It is "Rubinho Pé-de-Chinelo", and means Little Rubens Slipper-Foot.

"Due to bad results (which were more a cause of car unreliability than poor driver performance), Barrichello was earned the nickname “Rubinho Slipperfoot” (Rubinho Pé-de-Chinelo, a pun with his surname)"

http://theartoff1.wordpress.com/f1-information/drivers/rubens-barrichello/

Common old nick-name in Brazil for Barrichello.

http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=Rubinho+P%C3%A9-de-Chinelo&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB :o fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=3cZrTOPcBceOjAe02JzvAQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CEMQsAQwAw&biw=1024&bih=554

http://www.contaoutra.com.br/tiras.asp?pagina=75

So why laugh at a man for having more knowledge?

[Big Ben]

It is "Rubinho Pé-de-Chinelo", and means Little Rubens Slipper-Foot.

"Due to bad results (which were more a cause of car unreliability than poor driver performance), Barrichello was earned the nickname “Rubinho Slipperfoot” (Rubinho Pé-de-Chinelo, a pun with his surname)"

http://theartoff1.wordpress.com/f1-information/drivers/rubens-barrichello/

Common old nick-name in Brazil for Barrichello.

http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=Rubinho+P%C3%A9-de-Chinelo&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB :o fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=3cZrTOPcBceOjAe02JzvAQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CEMQsAQwAw&biw=1024&bih=554

http://www.contaoutra.com.br/tiras.asp?pagina=75

So why laugh at a man for having more knowledge?

Well, that's not what he said and it is a great sin to use incorrect nicknames :p :

They are laughing for a different reason and I would explain it to you but I don't want to get banned.

[Dave B]

Ah, now I get it.

So let me get this straight. It's insulting to affectionately contract Michael Schumacher's name to "Schuey" instead of "Schumi"; but perfectly acceptable to completely and utterly mispell a slightly unflattering name for Rubens to the point where at least three posters were unable to find any reference to the nickname on the entire internet.

Have I understood this correctly?

[Big Ben]

Ah, now I get it.

So let me get this straight. It's insulting to affectionately contract Michael Schumacher's name "Schuey" instead of "Schumi"; but perfectly acceptable to completely and utterly mispell a slightly unflattering name for Rubens to the point where at least three posters were unable to find any reference to the nickname on the entire internet.

Have I understood this correctly?

Four... I too have tried to find it and found just the one not so bright reference to it.

[pallone col bracciale]

Can I suggest that you try "Rubens Barrichello Nicknames" in Google?.

It is easy to find if enough intelligence is used. That somebody who is not a native Portugeuse speaker does not know the spelling is no surprise....it is not an easy language to write from the spoken word.

[Dave B]

Apologies. Us scum who watch through the fence at Silverstone aren't used to using our brains ;)

[pallone col bracciale]

Apologies. Us scum who watch through the fence at Silverstone aren't used to using our brains ;)

Again, I do not understand?

[Robinho]

it also doesn't mean what STD tried to say it did, he said it was something to do with plodding though fields, not to do with slippers and as a result of car reliability. so it was mostly bull, with a sprinkling of reality in that there was a name that was similar being used that meantsomething different as was used in a different context. other than that right on the money!

[pallone col bracciale]

As my memory remembers from an Autosprint article after A1Ring, the explanation for the name was that Rubens was like a Cinderella story, hoping that one day he would be allowed to go to the ball.

This could be an Italian journalist interpretation, not the original Brasilian meaning.

I do not want the criticism if it is wrong information, grazie!

[Valve Bounce]

Can I suggest that you try "Rubens Barrichello Nicknames" in Google?.

It is easy to find if enough intelligence is used. That somebody who is not a native Portugeuse speaker does not know the spelling is no surprise....it is not an easy language to write from the spoken word.

This gave me an idea so I looked up the nicknames for SchM in google and guess what: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=Michael+Schumacher+nicknames&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
....basically we are correct and STD is wrong. ;)

But before I go, may I please correct your spelling - it is Portuguese. It's just that the spelling is very close to home for me. :)

[Valve Bounce]

Again, I do not understand?

You have to try to understand this from the viewpoint of the audience who used to sit in the pits for the Shakespearean plays. Shakespeare used to include a few lines to humor the guys up front.

[Saint Devote]

I can confirm that the nickname "Pedi-Chanello" is not widely used in Brazil at all. I asked a couple of Brazilian guys on another forum who happen to be Ferrari/Massa fans and they had never heard this phrase and Ruben's in the same breath. Looks like it is either a figment of someones imagination, or was made up on the spot to support a rather lame arguement. It has also been mentioned that there is virtually nothing on google that supports this claim, and how often is it that you can type something in there and nothing but this forum comes up? :p

Anyway, relating this back to Schumacher, I was reading a book on Tommy Byrne and Eddie Jordan mentions 'Schuey' in it on more than one occassion. Since Eddie gave Schuey his debut drive, could it be that Eddie gave birth to 'Schuey's' widespread nickname before he became popular with the masses at Hockenheim? I doubt it, but it sure does make the point that no nickname is totally correct IMO. :)

Personally I could care less whether you want to belive me or that you spoke to a couple of Brazilians or that you call me a liar.

Pedi-Chanello is a nickname that he has been given in Brazil.

[Saint Devote]

As my memory remembers from an Autosprint article after A1Ring, the explanation for the name was that Rubens was like a Cinderella story, hoping that one day he would be allowed to go to the ball.

This could be an Italian journalist interpretation, not the original Brasilian meaning.

I do not want the criticism if it is wrong information, grazie!

You have to remember that you are dealing with English-speakers on this forum. They are not likely to be cosmopolitan, probably speak only one language without the breadth that speaking more than one or two languages gives you and are not European in attitude.

And definitely they do not have the sophisticated sense that is so Italian.

It will explain a great deal of what you encounter here.

Its like small town America versus Manhattan! :-]

[Valve Bounce]

Personally I could care less whether you want to belive me or that you spoke to a couple of Brazilians or that you call me a liar.

Pedi-Chanello is a nickname that he has been given in Brazil.

In your dreams. You have been contradicted by Google, and pallone col bracciale; nobody is calling you a liar - you are just plain mistaken in your lack of knowledge. :p :

[Valve Bounce]

You have to remember that you are dealing with English-speakers on this forum. They are not likely to be cosmopolitan, probably speak only one language without the breadth that speaking more than one or two languages gives you and are not European in attitude.

And definitely they do not have the sophisticated sense that is so Italian.

It will explain a great deal of what you encounter here.

Its like small town America versus Manhattan! :-]

I sense you are disillusioned by the members here who speak English as their first language. Their sophistication escapes you. If you don't like it here, well, you know what the answer is.

[Saint Devote]

I sense you are disillusioned by the members here who speak English as their first language. Their sophistication escapes you. If you don't like it here, well, you know what the answer is.

Disillusioned? This is an internet forum - its not real life. How can it influence anyone in such a way?

But that silliness aside - I have spent enough time in my life in English speaking countries to assess people that are English speakers and, what I say is valid. It's just the way they are. Clearly it embarrases you otherwise you would not have attacked my comments so.

I just say thank goodness for the Italians - they make Europe such a pleasant place and if you want sophistication then visit Milan.

Such a pity Schumi is not still with Ferrari.

[Valve Bounce]

Disillusioned? This is an internet forum - its not real life. How can it influence anyone in such a way?

But that silliness aside - I have spent enough time in my life in English speaking countries to assess people that are English speakers and, what I say is valid. It's just the way they are. Clearly it embarrases you otherwise you would not have attacked my comments so.

I just say thank goodness for the Italians - they make Europe such a pleasant place and if you want sophistication then visit Milan.

Such a pity Schumi is not still with Ferrari.

Perhaps an Italian speaking forum would suit you better.

I wish you "Bon Voyage"

[Saint Devote]

In your dreams. You have been contradicted by Google, and pallone col bracciale; nobody is calling you a liar - you are just plain mistaken in your lack of knowledge. :p :

OMG I have been contradicted by Google!!! How can that be?! Woe is me!!! :rolleyes:

Henners called me liar - he just does it in a round about way with that slly smiley face always at the end.

Pallone col Bracciale merely had a different interpretation of the nickname

Barrichello does have that nickname - not everything on earth can be found in "Google" Valve - get with the program.

[Saint Devote]

I think this thread is decending. Ciouw!

[Valve Bounce]

It is "Rubinho Pé-de-Chinelo", and means Little Rubens Slipper-Foot.

"Due to bad results (which were more a cause of car unreliability than poor driver performance), Barrichello was earned the nickname “Rubinho Slipperfoot” (Rubinho Pé-de-Chinelo, a pun with his surname)"

http://theartoff1.wordpress.com/f1-information/drivers/rubens-barrichello/

Common old nick-name in Brazil for Barrichello.

http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=Rubinho+P%C3%A9-de-Chinelo&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB :o fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=3cZrTOPcBceOjAe02JzvAQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CEMQsAQwAw&biw=1024&bih=554

http://www.contaoutra.com.br/tiras.asp?pagina=75

So why laugh at a man for having more knowledge?

Here, STD! read it for yourself.