Nationwide Series - Dollar General 300

[DanicaFan]

The Nationwide Series is at Chicagoland Speedway this weekend. Danica is also in this race as well. Here is some of the race information..

Race #18 of 35

Race - Dollar General 300

Location - Chicagoland Speedway

Date - Friday, July 9th

Time & TV Schedule - 8pm Eastern - ESPN

Course Type - 1.5 Mile Oval

Distance - 200 Laps / 300 Miles

Practice Sessions - Friday, July 9th - 9:30am-10:30am Eastern & 11:00am-12:20pm Eastern

Qualifications - Friday, July 9th - 4:05pm Eastern

[DanicaFan]

Here is the current entry list at this time..

Entrant / Car# & Driver

1. #1 Ryan Newman
2. #01 Mike Wallace
3. #04 Jeremy Clements
4. #05 Willie Allen
5. #6 Ricky Stenhouse Jr.
6. #7 Danica Patrick
7. #09 TBA
8. #10 David Reutimann
9. #11 Brian Scott
10. #12 Justin Allgaier
11. #13 Jennifer Jo Cobb
12. #15 Michael Annett
13. #16 Colin Braun
14. #18 Kyle Busch
15. #20 Joey Logano
16. #21 Clint Bowyer
17. #22 Brad Keselowski
18. #23 Robert Richardson Jr.
19. #24 Eric McClure
20. #26 Brian Keselowski
21. #27 TBA
22. #28 Kenny Wallace
23. #32 Reed Sorenson
24. #33 Kevin Harvick
25. #34 Tony Raines
26. #35 Jason Keller
27. #36 Kevin Hamlin
28. #37 Stanton Barrett
29. #38 Jason Leffler
30. #40 Mike Bliss
31. #42 Parker Kligerman
32. #43 Brad Baker
33. #49 Mark Green
34. #56 Kevin Lepage
35. #60 Carl Edwards
36. #61 Matthew Carter
37. #62 Brendan Gaughan
38. #66 Steve Wallace
39. #70 Shelby Howard
40. #73 TBA
41. #81 Michael McDowell
42. #87 Joe Nemechek
43. #88 Jamie McMurray
44. #89 Morgan Shepherd
45. #90 Danny O'Quinn Jr.
46. #91 David Gilliland
47. #92 Dennis Setzer
48. #98 Paul Menard
49. #99 Trevor Bayne

[Mark in Oshawa]

Of course Danica is there. If she wasn't, you wouldn't be giving us all this great infomation. DF, I respect the fan you are fan, but you don't need to point out Ms. Patrick is racing. We know when you are seen on the NASCAR board she is racing....

[TURN3]

Early predictions for The Danica this weekend? I actually predict this will be her best showing (for whatever that is worth). Chicagoland is a pretty easy track to navigate with wide sweeping turns in and off each corner, nearly full throttle if you're set-up is close to good. I'm thinking if she doesn't end up in the wall again, she's likely to finish only 2 or 3 laps down this time. Funny thing is the closer she hangs onto the back of any pack, the bigger the target will become on that car when you can't get out of the way. In other words, positions mean more when you're not laps and laps down so there will be less patience with other drivers dealing with her inept line and "racing" tactics.

[DanicaFan]

Danica runs great on these kind of tracks. I know she will do well. I can see her get a top 10, top 20 easily.

[beachgirl]

Danica runs great on these kind of tracks. I know she will do well. I can see her get a top 10, top 20 easily.

Can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking?

[wbcobrar]

I admire the pride you have in your favorite driver DanicaFan, I really do. And don't take this as a shot, but Chicago is the average NASCAR drivers best track, with good reason. This track is whats known around these parts as a cookie cutter. There a ton of tracks that resemble this one and all the teams run hard here because if you don't run well 1.5 mile tracks, half your season is shot. Also with Cup running with Nationwide you may have noticed this field is stacked with good drivers from the big leagues. Those gyes don't give any slack to Nationwide regulars, and the top ten is clogged full to start with there. Further, this race should have some long green flag runs in the first half, during which time anyone not driving it like it's stolen will go a lap down. Please keep the faith, just realize she has a looooooooooooooooooooong way to go before the top 10's and 20's start to appear.

[TURN3]

Danica runs great on these kind of tracks. I know she will do well. I can see her get a top 10, top 20 easily.

While it is great fun to laugh at you on a regular basis, it really is getting old. Root for your driver but please don't say things this stupid, it isn't funny any longer.

[muggle not]

Danica Fan, you are entitled to cheer your favorite driver on regardless of their performance. If everyone only cheered the best driver then Jimmie Johnson would have had many, many, more fans the last 4 years than he did.

I have many drivers that I like including Bobby Labonte (who hasn't done squat recently). Their performance doesn't keep me from being a fan of them.

[beachgirl]

Danica Fan, you are entitled to cheer your favorite driver on regardless of their performance. If everyone only cheered the best driver then Jimmie Johnson would have had many, many, more fans the last 4 years than he did.

I have many drivers that I like including Bobby Labonte (who hasn't done squat recently). Their performance doesn't keep me from being a fan of them.

But you're not touting that Bobby Labonte is going to be top 10, top 20 every race. Or, if over in the IRL Forum, top 5, or ready to win. That's the difference. You live in the real world in your fandom. Just like 999.9% of fans.

[DanicaFan]

I admire the pride you have in your favorite driver DanicaFan, I really do. And don't take this as a shot, but Chicago is the average NASCAR drivers best track, with good reason. This track is whats known around these parts as a cookie cutter. There a ton of tracks that resemble this one and all the teams run hard here because if you don't run well 1.5 mile tracks, half your season is shot. Also with Cup running with Nationwide you may have noticed this field is stacked with good drivers from the big leagues. Those gyes don't give any slack to Nationwide regulars, and the top ten is clogged full to start with there. Further, this race should have some long green flag runs in the first half, during which time anyone not driving it like it's stolen will go a lap down. Please keep the faith, just realize she has a looooooooooooooooooooong way to go before the top 10's and 20's start to appear.

Yeah, I was really looking hard at that entry list. There are quite a few more Cup drivers in there. It will be tough but I still think she will do quite well.

[slorydn1]

And say she may...key word is may...finish p23 at Harvickland Speedway
I say that based n what I saw with her improving lap times thrughout the the loudon weekend, even after her car got damaged.......yes she was laps dwn, but she lost those early..I also say that because of the top shelf equipment she has.

But that would p23, maybe 2 laps down.

[Mark in Oshawa]

She may do ok at Chicagoland based on it being an easier track to master, but that really doesn't mean much when it is that much easier for the other guys right.

My cheesehead friend from the Dairy state has it right. Anyone not driving like they stole it will be down laps in a hurry at Chicagoland, and that isn't the Danica Patrick way of doing things in the IRL, much less the world of Nationwide.

Until she learns loose is fast, and how to keep the car fast loose and not wrecking loose in learning on what to ask for, she wont be competitive. She will at the very best be in the 20's, but most likely in the 30's. Too many good guys will be in the field this time around....

[00steven]

Well if the other races are an indication, she will crash by lap 5.

[harvick#1]

Of course Danica is there. If she wasn't, you wouldn't be giving us all this great infomation. DF, I respect the fan you are fan, but you don't need to point out Ms. Patrick is racing. We know when you are seen on the NASCAR board she is racing....

:up:

I agree Mark.

I for one can careless about the info of track statistics, I just need the start times and those normally are easy to find :laugh:

I'm hoping for a good race, but I'll be boycotting it as usual as I'm not gonna watch the race where all they are gonna focus on is Danica and not the 42 other drivers in the field.

plus the win will come from either the 18 or 20. so why really bother watching, then we will have several members say how great Kyle is again winning another AAA race

[TURN3]

plus the win will come from either the 18 or 20. so why really bother watching, then we will have several members say how great Kyle is again winning another AAA race

So when full-time Nationwide driver Kevin Harvick wins it is somehow more relevant? Your logic on this topic doesn't equal what is otherwise normal for you, historically speaking.

[wbcobrar]

The 18 and 20 show is starting to get old. I think the Penskie Mopars will have something to say about that. I just hope Carl gets enough track time to fix the junk they unload off the truck before the race starts. The weather has been sketchy here in the midwest lately.

[harvick#1]

So when full-time Nationwide driver Kevin Harvick wins it is somehow more relevant? Your logic on this topic doesn't equal what is otherwise normal for you, historically speaking.

I dont give a crap about the nationwide anymore, in my personal opinion, it was destroyed after 2005.

Cup drivers should not be allowed to run more than 10 races a year if they wanna make the rule. its just a sad state to see what the Nationwide series has become

[slorydn1]

its just a sad state to see what the Nationwide series has become

Yep, real sad..It's only the second most popular racing series in the country :rolleyes: :D :p : :beer:

[harvick#1]

Yep, real sad..It's only the second most popular racing series in the country :rolleyes: :D :p : :beer:

yes, because most Nascar fans are blindsided by this type of racing, instead of exloring there are other very good racing series' in America.

ALMS is the by far the best fan friendly series you can ever think off, the events are cheap and you get to go just about anywhere and everywhere on race weekends, as well an autograph session and a walk onto the track for pre-race festivities. something like that in Nascar would cost hundred's-thousands to be allowed on pitlane and being allowed in the paddock.

[Mark in Oshawa]

:up:

I agree Mark.

I for one can careless about the info of track statistics, I just need the start times and those normally are easy to find :laugh:

I'm hoping for a good race, but I'll be boycotting it as usual as I'm not gonna watch the race where all they are gonna focus on is Danica and not the 42 other drivers in the field.

plus the win will come from either the 18 or 20. so why really bother watching, then we will have several members say how great Kyle is again winning another AAA race

So if Harvick wins, you will of course just say it was a AAA race too right??lol

I think Nationwide races are fine for what they are, but how they are the 2nd most popular form of racing in North America is based purely on the NASCAR brand label and all the Cup guys moonlighting.

Take those away, and this series is back on short tracks a lot more. I think I would like the series more, but NASCAR is all about the $$$$$ and they can sell this as a pro product in markets they wont give a Cup date to..

Banning the Cup guys from NW will hurt all of this...

[harvick#1]

So if Harvick wins, you will of course just say it was a AAA race too right??lol


yep, I just dont think its right for the cup guys to be racing in the Nationwide series

[Easy Drifter]

Evveryone considers the Taxi Cabs the biggest draw in Canada too. Certainly enough cars and trucks with stickers along with Tee shirts and jackets.
Yet viewer stats show F1 with more viewers, even with the early morning shows and TSN's abreviated BBC coverage than Sprint Cup on TSN.
Even if we Cdns. tune in to a US channel we get TSN if we are on cable or satellite and most are.

[Mark in Oshawa]

yep, I just dont think its right for the cup guys to be racing in the Nationwide series

They have always run there, just not in the dedicated fashion to try to win the championship. The problem lies tho that they are the draw that gets the gate on the Saturdays or at tracks like Nashville or Montreal. Part of the attraction for NASCAR having all the Cup regulars doing these races is the fact you have a series that has more name recognition with these guys cross promoting. You take out the Cup guys, you first off better find some lawyers, because no series really can do this without some legal changes to their constitution. Restraint of trade and all that stuff. The other thing is the gate will suffer. Will Montreal sell out if Harvick, Gordon, Edwards, Ambrose and the boys don't come in? Yes...but Montreal isn't your typical NW date either. Does Nashville lose support? Yes...is there people in the stands on Saturday on a Cup weekend to see a series with no Cup guys? Well, when most didn't care about the old Busch series, the reality was no.....they didn't draw that well and they didn't have the TV contract.

Ban the Cup guys? It can be done....but there is a price to be paid for it, and NASCAR has to find a way to make that price "affordable".

[DanicaFan]

1st practice session is over. Kyle Busch the quickest. Here are the results of practice session 1..

Rank / Car# & Driver / Lap Time / Lap Speed

1. #18 Kyle Busch / 30.49 / 177.084
2. #33 Kevin Harvick / 30.63 / 176.292
3. #60 Carl Edwards / 30.63 / 176.275
4. #6 Ricky Stenhouse Jr. / 30.73 / 175.724
5. #1 Ryan Newman / 30.73 / 175.701
6. #20 Joey Logano / 30.74 / 175.695
7. #22 Brad Keselowski / 30.77 / 175.479
8. #12 Justin Allgaier / 30.77 / 175.479
9. #10 David Reutimann / 30.78 / 175.461
10. #32 Reed Sorenson / 30.83 / 175.177
11. #91 David Gilliland / 30.85 / 175.052
12. #11 Brian Scott / 30.87 / 174.927
13. #98 Paul Menard / 30.88 / 174.853
14. #16 Colin Braun / 30.88 / 174.842
15. #42 Peter Kligerman / 30.89 / 174.808
16. #88 Jamie McMurray / 30.90 / 174.769
17. #92 Dennis Setzer / 30.92 / 174.633
18. #90 Danny O'Quinn / 30.94 / 174.548
19. #66 Steve Wallace / 30.94 / 174.531
20. #38 Jason Leffler / 30.99 / 174.272
21. #26 Brian Keselowski / 31.08 / 173.723
22. #09 Jason Bowles / 31.09 / 173.700
23. #70 Shelby Howard / 31.10 / 173.617
24. #99 Trevor Bayne / 31.11 / 173.578
25. #35 Jason Keller / 31.13 / 173.472
26. #62 Brendan Gaughan / 31.13 / 173.466
27. #24 Eric McClure / 31.20 / 173.066
28. #04 Jeremy Clements / 31.27 / 172.706
29. #56 Kevin Lepage / 31.28 / 172.645
30. #15 Michael Annett / 31.29 / 172.574
31. #40 Mike Bliss / 31.30 / 172.507
32. #87 Joe Nemechek / 31.30 / 172.502
33. #49 Mark Green / 31.35 / 172.265
34. #89 Johnny Chapman / 31.38 / 172.101
35. #28 Kenny Wallace / 31.39 / 172.035
36. #27 Justin Lofton / 31.39 / 172.029
37. #01 Mike Wallace / 31.49 / 171.505
38. #36 Kevin Hamlin / 31.50 / 171.445
39. #7 Danica Patrick / 31.53 / 171.244
40. #34 Tony Raines / 31.53 / 171.244
41. #05 Willie Allen / 31.55 / 171.151
42. #37 Stanton Barrett / 31.61 / 170.827
43. #23 Robert Richardson Jr. / 31.88 / 169.412
44. #81 Michael McDowell / 32.22 / 167.593
45. #13 Jennifer Jo Cobb / 34.46 / 156.703

[TURN3]

How did Danica do this morning? My screen only scrolls to 35...LOL...Hysterically!

[DanicaFan]

Colin Braun & Ryan Newman were tied for the quickest this 2nd session. Danica found quite a bit of speed and cracked the top 20!

Here are the results of practice session 2..

Rank / Car# & Driver / Lap Time / Speed

1. #16 Colin Braun / 30.46 / 177.253
2. #1 Ryan Newman / 30.46 / 177.253
3. #99 Trevor Bayne / 30.47 / 177.206
4. #32 Reed Sorenson / 30.59 / 176.551
5. #22 Brad Keselowski / 30.64 / 176.234
6. #6 Ricky Stenhouse Jr. / 30.64 / 176.211
7. #98 Paul Menard / 30.72 / 175.758
8. #60 Carl Edwards / 30.75 / 175.627
9. #11 Brian Scott / 30.76 / 175.570
10. #33 Kevin Harvick / 30.81 / 175.245
11. #27 Justin Lofton / 30.82 / 175.228
12. #38 Jason Leffler / 30.85 / 175.023
13. #18 Kyle Busch / 30.86 / 175.012
14. #42 Peter Kligerman / 30.88 / 174.882
15. #40 Mike Bliss / 30.90 / 174.763
16. #66 Steve Wallace / 30.94 / 174.554
17. #20 Joey Logano / 30.94 / 174.526
18. #10 David Reutimann / 30.95 / 174.458
19. #7 Danica Patrick / 30.96 / 174.402
20. #35 Jason Keller / 31.00 / 174.177
21. #62 Brendan Gaughan / 31.01 / 174.132
22. #70 Shelby Howard / 31.02 / 174.087
23. #05 Willie Allen / 31.08 / 173.723
24. #12 Justin Allgaier / 31.10 / 173.645
25. #90 Danny O'Quinn / 31.10 / 173.628
26. #24 Eric McClure / 31.11 / 173.594
27. #92 Dennis Setzer / 31.12 / 173.494
28. #88 Jamie McMurray / 31.16 / 173.299
29. #15 Michael Annett / 31.22 / 172.972
30. #89 Johnny Chapman / 31.28 / 172.662
31. #36 Kevin Hamlin / 31.34 / 172.331
32. #87 Joe Nemechek / 31.39 / 172.018
33. #81 Michael McDowell / 31.40 / 171.991
34. #04 Jeremy Clements / 31.40 / 171.985
35. #34 Tony Raines / 31.49 / 171.483
36. #26 Brian Keselowski / 31.49 / 171.478
37. #56 Kevin Lepage / 31.55 / 171.141
38. #01 Mike Wallace / 31.60 / 170.897
39. #49 Mark Green / 31.61 / 170.843
40. #37 Josh Wise / 31.63 / 170.713
41. #13 Jennifer Jo Cobb / 31.95 / 169.009
42. #23 Robert Richardson Jr. / 32.20 / 167.707
43. #43 Brad Baker / 32.57 / 165.787

[TURN3]

Colin Braun & Ryan Newman were tied for the quickest this 2nd session. Danica found quite a bit of speed and cracked the top 20!

Uhh huh, remember what I pointed out after New Hampshire? The way the teams use their tires for practice, there is no relevance to speed in practice 2. She's followed the same pattern each time...now she'll qual around 25 (+3 or -1) and run 2 or 3 laps down if no incidents.

[Mark in Oshawa]

The key to how Danica is doing is to know what is being said between Eury Jr. and the seat holder in the 7. If you are hearing she is feeling "comfortable"...she likely will be slow in the race. If she is saying "it is wrecking loose", chances are she actually might have a fast car but isn't smart enough or brave enough to utilize it.

I think if she truly dedicated herself to being a race driver and dropping the ego driven publicity stuff and kept her mouth shut, she might have the raw talent in there somewhere, but the reality is she wont put the effort in and it will kill her in NASCAR. The engineers and her teammates cannot help here here like they can in the IRL......

[TURN3]

I think if she truly dedicated herself to being a race driver and dropping the ego driven publicity stuff and kept her mouth shut, she might have the raw talent in there somewhere, but the reality is she wont put the effort in and it will kill her in NASCAR. The engineers and her teammates cannot help here here like they can in the IRL......

I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion though Mark...assuming the "raw talent" may be inside somewhere? When has this ever been on display? Atlantics - No...Barber Pro - No...FF - Nope. The fact is, she's NEVER shown any talent indicating she's fast. To me, she's just like any of the rest of us but with lots of time and money dedicated toward giving her a chance. She has no special ability that actual professionals do have.

[DanicaFan]

Ok guys, not to make a wild prediction but we will see. Danica has raced here many times. She knows this track. She will do very well. :)

[harvick#1]

I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion though Mark...assuming the "raw talent" may be inside somewhere? When has this ever been on display? Atlantics - No...Barber Pro - No...FF - Nope. The fact is, she's NEVER shown any talent indicating she's fast. To me, she's just like any of the rest of us but with lots of time and money dedicated toward giving her a chance. She has no special ability that actual professionals do have.

well Texas sure showed that, when it was time to go, Briscoe absolutely just put the hammer down and said bye!!!!!

[wbcobrar]

Wow the Fords are fast off the truck! They are, in general, good at cookie cutters, but given the problems they have been experiencing lately I am pleasantly shocked. As for Danica, I am impressed she bested teammate Jamie McMurray in session #2. (I don't know if 88 was on scuffs and The Brand was on stickers, but that's still progress.) Harvick#1's assurtion that Cup drivers(competing for the championship) is a bad thing, I just don't understand on any level. The series in my mind has never been a AAA series. True the Cup series has has higher horsepower, bigger purses, bigger stars(pr. field) greater promotion $ behind it,the list could go on. But the racing this series has provided over the decades (In my eyes, and I assure you many others,)often enough, has been better than the racing the Cup series provides. This wish that the cup stars be limited in their freedom to race may be the most troubling thing about your position. Kyle Busch has been getting a lot of heat from me about a lot of things , but the coolest things about him is EVERY DAY THAT KID IS SITTING IN A RACECAR. Maybe the reason everyone thinks he is so talented is that he just works harder than everyone else(other than 48 team). I don't like the idea of anyone being told when ,where,how,and HOW MUCH they can work. Another thing to think about is the most important NASCAR race to me is the Road America Busirus 200.(and before that the Milwaukee 200,250,whatever). The only NASCAR race I can afford to attend with my family along. If the big gunns never ran this race it would suck! With a California date apposing it a shot at the championship, how many of the three cup regulars would have raced? I would be in favor of limiting Cup drivers by starting in the back at every race, but never their ability to run. :hot:

[beachbum]

I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion though Mark...assuming the "raw talent" may be inside somewhere? When has this ever been on display? Atlantics - No...Barber Pro - No...FF - Nope. The fact is, she's NEVER shown any talent indicating she's fast. To me, she's just like any of the rest of us but with lots of time and money dedicated toward giving her a chance. She has no special ability that actual professionals do have.I may quibble a bit at that description. Danica has shown the ability to just hold down the throttle and hang on, so she is fast - sometimes. That does take some talent - basically quick reflexes, and car control. I don't think anyone has claimed she is seriously lacking in those areas. Not at the top, but decent. But IMHO, she remains seriously lacking in racing skills, set up skills, and certainly situational awareness. If she is by herself, she doesn't have to be precise and can just stomp on it and let the car go where it goes. But when exact placement of the car is needed, or a driving strategy is required, she is out to sea.

When Marco was just starting in the IRL his driving style was described as "see car - pass car". I think Danica's style is more "see car - chase car" or just "drive where I want to go and get in the way of everyone else".

Racing has had a long history of failed drivers who were pretty fast by themselves, but were lousy racers. In 10 years of racing, Danica hasn't shown me anything to suggest that she doesn't fit that description.

She seems to be doing better at Chicago - in practice. But it took her an awful lots of laps to find any speed. I suspect she will end up in the 20's in qualifying, which is pretty good. But if history is any judge, she will pass a lot of cars in the wrong direction in the race.

[TURN3]

If I quote myself from earlier it would look like I'm arrogant...not true...just right all the d@m time!

Danica = 30th.

Sorry DFan...just the way it is. As a parody to a quote from Top Gun, it is hard work to be the right all the time. :D

[DanicaFan]

Kevin Harvick wins the pole. Danica takes 28th. I'll take it. We will see her move up pretty quickly.

Here is the starting grid..

1. #33 Kevin Harvick - 177.696
2. #22 Brad Keselowski - 177.509
3. #99 Trevor Bayne - 177.439
4. #60 Carl Edwards - 177.328
5. #20 Joey Logano - 176.980
6. #6 Ricky Stenhouse Jr. - 176.650
7. #1 Ryan Newman - 176.638
8. #18 Kyle Busch - 176.217
9. #88 Jamie McMurray - 175.901
10. #70 Shelby Howard - 175.787
11. #12 Justin Allgaeir - 175.735
12. #56 Kevin Lepage - 175.553
13. #90 Danny O'Quinn Jr. - 175.450
14. #05 Willie Allen - 175.217
15. #81 Michael McDowell - 175.205
16. #98 Paul Menard - 175.160
17. #91 David Gilliland - 174.916
18. #11 Brian Scott - 174.842
19. #38 Jason Leffler - 174.836
20. #32 Reed Sorenson - 174.814
21. #16 Colin Braun - 174.786
22. #24 Eric McClure - 174.729
23. #66 Steve Wallace - 174.689
24. #37 Josh Wise - 174.419
25. #42 Parker Kligerman - 174.289
26. #49 Mark Green - 174.053
27. #89 Johnny Chapman - 174.003
28. #7 Danica Patrick - 173.885
29. #10 David Reutimann - 173.712
30. #35 Jason Keller - 173.684
31. #40 Mike Bliss - 173.566
32. #27 Justin Lofton - 173.466
33. #87 Joe Nemechek - 173.066
34. #01 Mike Wallace - 172.800
35. #62 Brendan Gaughan - 172.772
36. #15 Michael Annett - 172.772
37. #34 Tony Raines - 172.276
38. #09 Landon Cassill - 170.562
39. #28 Kenny Wallace - 169.982 - Owner Points
40. #21 Morgan Shepherd - 168.914- Owner Points
41. #23 Robert Richardson Jr. - 168.460 - Owner Points
42. #43 Brad Baker -167.452 - Owner Points
43. #92 Dennis Setzer - 173.986

[beachgirl]

Kevin Harvick wins the pole. Danica takes 28th. I'll take it. We will see her move up pretty quickly.

Only if everyone else in front of her crashes.

[DavePI2]

while I agree with you harvick #1 that the alms is very fan friendly(also my favorite series) I have to admit that the rolex series does everything that they can to make the experience for fans at their races as good as it can be. Really enjoy the prerace grid walk and the chance to meet the drivers. Too bad everyone in racing isn't as nice as Scott Pruett. Always a highlight of the midohio season.

david

[TURN3]

Only if everyone else in front of her crashes.


I think in all his confusion BG, when the leaders are putting her another lap down every 30, he thinks that's forward.

Can somebody explain why she qual'd 30th and is 28th? Attrocious either way but I'm guess she was out qual'd by a couple of go or go homers?

[slorydn1]

Only if everyone else in front of her crashes.


:rotflmao:

[slorydn1]

I think in all his confusion BG, when the leaders are putting her another lap down every 30, he thinks that's forward.

Can somebody explain why she qual'd 30th and is 28th? Attrocious either way but I'm guess she was out qual'd by a couple of go or go homers?

that would be correct

[TURN3]

Have to correct myself, Danica is only getting lapped every 35 laps...not 30 like I said earlier. She is improving!

[harvick#1]

wow caught the end of the race, WTF was that Nascar, you let Kyle go from 4th to 2nd on the final restart, that was not fair for the entire inside line, especially Reutimann, the restart should've been delayed a lap to reorder the lines.

as Logano said "here we gonna, they gonna fix the race again" :rolleyes:

pathetic

[slorydn1]

And say she may...key word is may...finish p23 at Harvickland Speedway
I say that based n what I saw with her improving lap times thrughout the the loudon weekend, even after her car got damaged.......yes she was laps dwn, but she lost those early..I also say that because of the top shelf equipment she has.

But that would p23, maybe 2 laps down.

only off by 1 :p :

[DanicaFan]

Congrats to Kyle Busch for the win. Danica ran a great race, if hadnt had been for bad luck with the first pit stop and the tire there late, she had a top 15 car.

I still think that yellow flag before Trevor Bayne's yellow was a BS Yellow that cost Joey Logano the race.

[harvick#1]

only off by 1 :p :

she only moved up after the 4 cars in front of her all crashed

[DanicaFan]

Here are the final results..

1. #18 Kyle Busch
2. #20 Joey Logano
3. #11 Brian Scott
4. #10 David Reutimann
5. #38 Jason Leffler
6. #60 Carl Edwards
7. #33 Kevin Harvick
8. #32 Reed Sorenson
9. #88 Jamie McMurray
10. #12 Justin Allgaier
11. #98 Paul Menard
12. #66 Steve Wallace
13. #43 Parker Kligerman
14. #15 Michael Annett
15. #87 Joe Nemechek
16. #40 Mike Bliss
17. #16 Colin Braun
18. #62 Brendan Gaughan
19. #6 Ricky Stenhouse Jr.
20. #70 Shelby Howard
21. #22 Brad Keselowski
22. #01 Mike Wallace
23. #34 Tony Raines
24. #7 Danica Patrick
25. #21 Morgan Shepherd
26. #27 Justin Lofton
27. #05 Willie Allen
28. #28 Kenny Wallace
29. #24 Eric McClure
30. #35 Jason Keller
31. #23 Robert Richardson Jr.
32. #99 Trevor Bayne
33. #09 Landon Cassill
34. #43 Brad Baker
35. #81 Michael McDowell
36. #1 Ryan Newman
37. #56 Kevin Lepage
38. #49 Mark Green
39. #91 David Gilliland
40. #37 Josh Wise
41. #90 Danny O'Quinn
42. #89 Johnny Chapman
43. #92 Dennis Setzer

[00steven]

Well as B.S. as that was at the end you can't blame Kyle. He took advantage of an obvious flaw in the rule book. I am really upset though because my favourite driver (Reutimann) got screwed at the end. Harvick#1 is right on the money, they should have waived off the restart.

And Danica didn't do horrible I will say that, but definite room for improvement. I couldn't believe that she was the first ESPN decided to interview, to me it should have been David but whatever.

[beachgirl]

Danica ran a great race, if hadnt had been for bad luck with the first pit stop and the tire there late, she had a top 15 car.

PLEASE tell me what you're smoking.

[DanicaFan]

PLEASE tell me what you're smoking.

You know she would of been in the top 20.

But nothing against Kyle, I like Kyle but Im sick of all these BS Yellow Flags that NASCAR throws out there with thier "phantom debris".

[beachbum]

You know she would of been in the top 20.

But nothing against Kyle, I like Kyle but Im sick of all these BS Yellow Flags that NASCAR throws out there with thier "phantom debris". She may have had a top 15 car, but she isn't a top 15 driver. When the track was green and she had no problems, she got 2 laps down by the first caution - all on her own. Without the "phantom" cautions, she would have been even more laps down as she got the wave around both times and got a lap back each time. She ran with the same people all night - Mike Wallace and Tony Raines, both of whom are very low budget and one step up from start and park.

[slorydn1]

she only moved up after the 4 cars in front of her all crashed

I didn't say how, now did I? :D

[slorydn1]

wow caught the end of the race, WTF was that Nascar, you let Kyle go from 4th to 2nd on the final restart, that was not fair for the entire inside line, especially Reutimann, the restart should've been delayed a lap to reorder the lines.

as Logano said "here we gonna, they gonna fix the race again" :rolleyes:

pathetic


Well as B.S. as that was at the end you can't blame Kyle. He took advantage of an obvious flaw in the rule book. I am really upset though because my favourite driver (Reutimann) got screwed at the end. Harvick#1 is right on the money, they should have waived off the restart.

And Danica didn't do horrible I will say that, but definite room for improvement. I couldn't believe that she was the first ESPN decided to interview, to me it should have been David but whatever.

Amen to both. I was cussing up a storm about this when it happened. Logano was so pissed he just walked off....

[Jonesi]

wow caught the end of the race, WTF was that Nascar, you let Kyle go from 4th to 2nd on the final restart, that was not fair for the entire inside line, especially Reutimann, the restart should've been delayed a lap to reorder the lines.

as Logano said "here we gonna, they gonna fix the race again" :rolleyes:

pathetic

While the two across on restarts has only been around about a year, they been doing that way on the race start for... well forever. If the 2nd place qualifier changes engines, misses the drivers meeting, etc, they pull out of line and the row they are in moves up one.

[Shifter]

While the two across on restarts has only been around about a year, they been doing that way on the race start for... well forever. If the 2nd place qualifier changes engines, misses the drivers meeting, etc, they pull out of line and the row they are in moves up one.

Man, I must have missed something for all those years...I was like whoa how did Busch get ahead of Reutimann under the caution?

A visor tearoff is NOT debris. It isn't debris in club racing, and it shouldn't be in NASCAR.

[TURN3]

You know she would of been in the top 20.

But nothing against Kyle, I like Kyle but Im sick of all these BS Yellow Flags that NASCAR throws out there with thier "phantom debris".

She didn't crack the top 20 the entire race so tell me how she was going to amazingly hit the nitrous button at some point? EVERYTHING was exactly as I predicted with regard to our little untalented average person pretending to be a race car driver. On probably the easiest track NASCAR runs...she got the waive around 3 TIMES!!! and still finished 2 laps down! She was literally lapped 5 times in this race and was saved another by the phantom yellow that hosed Logano. When everybody agrees she improved and that's what you have to show...holy crap...if I was that bad and my job I'd shoot myself in the eye socket!

[harvick#1]

She didn't crack the top 20 the entire race so tell me how she was going to amazingly hit the nitrous button at some point? EVERYTHING was exactly as I predicted with regard to our little untalented average person pretending to be a race car driver. On probably the easiest track NASCAR runs...she got the waive around 3 TIMES!!! and still finished 2 laps down! She was literally lapped 5 times in this race and was saved another by the phantom yellow that hosed Logano. When everybody agrees she improved and that's what you have to show...holy crap...if I was that bad and my job I'd shoot myself in the eye socket!

I wouldnt say she improved, the Nationwide series is so bad that really 10-15 cars are almost start and parks and at atleast half the field are all underfunded and without a sponsor, and Danica was racing with "who" Mike Wallace and Tony Raines all night that had a white painted car with no sponsor, yet, lets show how great Danica is when she chop-blocked Kyle almost everytime he lapped her.

[muggle not]

Bottom line, Reutimann got screwed. DW must have told Nascar to favor shrub and move him up. :rolleyes:

[beachbum]

Bottom line, Reutimann got screwed. DW must have told Nascar to favor shrub and move him up. :rolleyes: Agreed that Reutimann got screwed, but the rules are specific and clear about moving the whole line up. He is just lucky the caution came out when it did or he wouldn't have even been on the lead lap after he made a late pit stop for fuel. You win some and lose some.

[beachbum]

I wouldnt say she improved, the Nationwide series is so bad that really 10-15 cars are almost start and parks and at atleast half the field are all underfunded and without a sponsor, and Danica was racing with "who" Mike Wallace and Tony Raines all night that had a white painted car with no sponsor, yet, lets show how great Danica is when she chop-blocked Kyle almost everytime he lapped her.All very true, but I did notice something else that you could only catch out of the corner of the screen (hard to see the very back of the pack from most camera angles). When there was a restart, all of the cars around Danica dropped back - even cars laps ahead of her. After about a lap, some worked their way by. On one restart, she was in the outside line with cars below and behind. When the camera panned around the next corner, she was right on the bottom by herself and cars were scattered all over the track behind her. How did that happen? It sure looked like no one wanted to be near her. She ran alone most of the night.

Not much was said about the cut tire at the end, but normally a cut left rear is from contact. Early in the race she slammed into the side of Mike Wallace when he tried to pass (actually, he was well alongside). She sure has a habit of running into people. First Carmichael in ARCA at Daytona, then Shepherd at Loudon, now Wallace.

Allgaier was right behind and backed way off. Then when Allgaier tried to pass her a lap or so later, she blocked him and ran him hard even though she was 2 laps behind him. At the same time she had the cut tire, Mike Wallace was running right with her and then dropped behind Raines. Coincidence? She wasn't making any friends out there and Wallace is good enough to tap just enough to cut the tire without hurting his car. But I doubt we will ever know what really happened.

[harvick#1]

Agreed that Reutimann got screwed, but the rules are specific and clear about moving the whole line up. He is just lucky the caution came out when it did or he wouldn't have even been on the lead lap after he made a late pit stop for fuel. You win some and lose some.

no cause in the Sprint Cup, I've seen the cars all move up the one spot and change the order the correct way, I think Nascar just dropped the ball again on screwing over people they dont want to see win.

but these bogus debris cautions need to end, its getting pathetic

[slorydn1]

Agreed that Reutimann got screwed, but the rules are specific and clear about moving the whole line up. He is just lucky the caution came out when it did or he wouldn't have even been on the lead lap after he made a late pit stop for fuel. You win some and lose some.

No they're not specific and clear for restarts. As someone else stated above, it has been that way for the initial start for as long as I can remember. But for restarts Nascar set a precedent earlier this year (I don't remember which series or race) where they waived of the start and made the drivers re-form the field by switching rows. If memory serves, in NASCAR's defense, the car with the issue dropped out of line earlier in the "1 to go" lap and NASCAR had time to react to it.

I can understand it on the first lap of the race. What's the big deal for 2 spots when there are 400-500 miles of racing to go. But on the final restart of the race (especially a GWC) is it fair that the guy in p4 is all of a sudden on the front row, after he pitted and took 4 tires, while the leader stayed out or took 2 for track position? What if it was the p3 car, and the leader was the one who dropped out? Who controlls the restart? Do the drivers even know? The driver who is now p1, shouldnt he have lane choice as the leader? I have been watching NASCAR for over 30 years, and if its not clear to me, how could it be clear to anyone?

[beachbum]

but these bogus debris cautions need to end, its getting patheticTHAT is very true. Even the TV coverage worked really hard to show something, anything on the track. But most are totally bogus. You can almost count on a GWC at most races


Who controlls the restart? Do the drivers even know? The driver who is now p1, shouldnt he have lane choice as the leader? I have been watching NASCAR for over 30 years, and if its not clear to me, how could it be clear to anyone?I think you may have hit the nail on the head. No one seems to know, including apparently NASCAR. But what can you expect with manufactured "entertainment" from the all too common GWC. I think last night everyone was relieved that Kyle had gotten the white flag before the wreck so the circus wouldn't be prolonged.

[Jag_Warrior]

Well as B.S. as that was at the end you can't blame Kyle. He took advantage of an obvious flaw in the rule book. I am really upset though because my favourite driver (Reutimann) got screwed at the end. Harvick#1 is right on the money, they should have waived off the restart.

And Danica didn't do horrible I will say that, but definite room for improvement. I couldn't believe that she was the first ESPN decided to interview, to me it should have been David but whatever.

I can't stand the punk (to me he's Fernando Alonso's long lost American brother), but I have to admit that Kyle Busch in truly one helluva race car driver! I felt bad for Logano and Reutimann too - especially Reutimann. And I hate NASCAR's continuing habit of throwing these phantom yellows. Why can't they just let the racers race?! And then whatever happens, happens. I can't remember the race, but it was a yellow thrown because of a hotdog wrapper that caused me to ease off on watching as much NASCAR as I used to. Ease up on the cautions, NASCAR!

As for ESPN and Danica, I know that since she's famous for being famous (and not any other reason), ESPN will do whatever it can to boost the ratings by shilling for her. But enough is enough already. I have to agree with you though. She wasn't horrible in this race. She was pretty horrible in the previous races. Now she's worked her way up to bad. Before the end of the season, maybe she'll make it all the way up to average. But considering that she's in what should be a Top 10 car, she's got a LONG way to go before she can be considered average. Anybody else beginning to think that The Danica Experiment will get called off before she can make a Cup start?

[NickFalzone]

I can see Danica eventually, say within the next 12-16 months, becoming an OK Nationwide driver. This is assuming she stays in top equipment. I could see her being a regular top 15-20ish finisher, with a rare 10th or so. I do not ever see her making it up to Cup regularly, or getting a top-5 in Nationwide. Top 15s might be enough to sustain her sponsorship for a few more years...

My career prediction is another 3-6 years in Nationwide and in that time possibly getting between 2-6 starts in Cup (something like a D500 or other restrictor track). In that time she will also continue to run Indy 500s, and an Indycar oval here and there.. and be raking in more bucks than u can imagine. So we're looking at someone that over the next 4-6 years is going to continue to coast on average to below-avergage finishes while making herself very, very rich. I guess that's the American dream right?

[beachgirl]

I can see Danica eventually, say within the next 12-16 months, becoming an OK Nationwide driver. This is assuming she stays in top equipment. I could see her being a regular top 15-20ish finisher, with a rare 10th or so. I do not ever see her making it up to Cup regularly, or getting a top-5 in Nationwide. Top 15s might be enough to sustain her sponsorship for a few more years...

My career prediction is another 3-6 years in Nationwide and in that time possibly getting between 2-6 starts in Cup (something like a D500 or other restrictor track). In that time she will also continue to run Indy 500s, and an Indycar oval here and there.. and be raking in more bucks than u can imagine. So we're looking at someone that over the next 4-6 years is going to continue to coast on average to below-avergage finishes while making herself very, very rich. I guess that's the American dream right?

That's what it appears to be nowadays.

[TURN3]

I can see Danica eventually, say within the next 12-16 months, becoming an OK Nationwide driver. This is assuming she stays in top equipment. I could see her being a regular top 15-20ish finisher, with a rare 10th or so. I do not ever see her making it up to Cup regularly, or getting a top-5 in Nationwide. Top 15s might be enough to sustain her sponsorship for a few more years...

My career prediction is another 3-6 years in Nationwide and in that time possibly getting between 2-6 starts in Cup (something like a D500 or other restrictor track). In that time she will also continue to run Indy 500s, and an Indycar oval here and there.. and be raking in more bucks than u can imagine. So we're looking at someone that over the next 4-6 years is going to continue to coast on average to below-avergage finishes while making herself very, very rich. I guess that's the American dream right?


That is one theory and it could happen that way but, I personally think the circus side show will wear thin on NASCAR fans and teams much more quickly than it has in Indycar. The sponsor dollars will likely outlast the tolerance of a team like JR Motorsports to continue to be embarassed. Think about it, if JR doesn't take her back next year, what are her other options? Certainly nothing in top equipment like she has now. Maybe a mid-pack team would take the money...but she's "too good" for that her mind.

[Mark in Oshawa]

If JR Motorsports takes her on next year, they do so losing me as a fan. She isnt going to produce the results they need to justify the time of someone like a Tony Eury Jr.

She needed three wave arounds and some lucky dog's to get to where she got. It aint racing when you end up 24th and need a lot of chicanery and stupidity to get there.

She might make it up to a bad driver some day, but I fail to see how. She doesn't learn.....

It is one thing to be an ignorant and obnoxious driver. IT is another thing to do all of that, AND give off the pretension you have a clue when it is clear to anyone who understands the sport you really don't have any idea.....

[beachbum]

She might make it up to a bad driver some day, but I fail to see how. She doesn't learn.....

It is one thing to be an ignorant and obnoxious driver. IT is another thing to do all of that, AND give off the pretension you have a clue when it is clear to anyone who understands the sport you really don't have any idea.....For your edification.

Link (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nascar/2010-07-09-danica-patrick-language-barrier_N.htm)

The word clueless comes to mind, followed by intellectually challenged. She needs to spend less time worrying about her broken sandals (check her twitter) and worry a bit more about racing.

The effort JR Motorsports in putting into her is more than I have seen for any other development driver. They admitted early in the year they had a very limited budget, yet that have run the car every race to keep it in the top 30. On one NASCAR broadcast, they explained why when talking about start and part teams. Apparently there is a little known rule that the car has to attempt every race to be able to get the top 30 pass. So unless that wanted to allow her to try to qualify at every race, they had no choice. Since other than Daytona, she has yet to run fast enough in qualifying to get in on time, this experiment would already be over without that investment.

In a way, I feel sorry for Tony Jr. Here is a championship winning crew chief who is saddled with a driver not fast enough to qualify on time and seems to hit something or someone at every race. The win with Junior at Daytona had to feel very good as it validated that the 7 problems weren't the crew chief. Even Junior mentioned it was a good win as JR Motorsports has had a very difficult year with little success and they needed to show they still knew how to win. Sad to see a team of that caliber having to prove that.

[DanicaFan]

Give the girl a break. She is going from 1 car to the other 1 from week to the next. I think she is doing a fine job.

I follow her on twitter, Danica is also big on fashion too, and what I want to know is that if you dont like someone, why do you follow them on twitter ?? Most people, myself included, if they didnt like someone they sure wouldnt be following them on twitter or any other social networking site. I would care less what they are doing.

[beachbum]

why do you follow them on twitter ?? Most people, myself included, if they didnt like someone they sure wouldnt be following them on twitter or any other social networking site. I would care less what they are doing.I do care less about what she is doing in her personal life. But there are a number of diverse sites I check from time to time when I need a laugh.

[TURN3]

Give the girl a break. She is going from 1 car to the other 1 from week to the next. I think she is doing a fine job.

I follow her on twitter, Danica is also big on fashion too, and what I want to know is that if you dont like someone, why do you follow them on twitter ?? Most people, myself included, if they didnt like someone they sure wouldnt be following them on twitter or any other social networking site. I would care less what they are doing.


A fine job as compared to what?

By the way, since the beginning of the year, there quite a few young up and comers with tons of talent that are now out of rides. Most of that is due to budget and/or sponsorship. I noticed that James Buescher wasn't around at Chicagoland...just one example of a 19 or 20 year old kid sitting around after running circles around the Danica with a team that can't even answer the bell all year. THAT is sad...Danica needs to go.

[Easy Drifter]

Good drivers can jump from one type of car to another with no problems. Tony Stewart does it all the time.
Mario Andretti, A. J. and company would be in a dirt track car one day a pavement sprinter the next, a Can Am car the next weekend and then a rear engined oval car followed in Mario's case by a F1 car and winning in all.

[muggle not]

A fine job as compared to what?

By the way, since the beginning of the year, there quite a few young up and comers with tons of talent that are now out of rides. Most of that is due to budget and/or sponsorship. I noticed that James Buescher wasn't around at Chicagoland...just one example of a 19 or 20 year old kid sitting around after running circles around the Danica with a team that can't even answer the bell all year. THAT is sad...Danica needs to go.
Fact of life. What do you propose for the up-and-comers that are out of rides?

[I am evil Homer]

Give the girl a break. She is going from 1 car to the other 1 from week to the next. I think she is doing a fine job.

I follow her on twitter, Danica is also big on fashion too, and what I want to know is that if you dont like someone, why do you follow them on twitter ?? Most people, myself included, if they didnt like someone they sure wouldnt be following them on twitter or any other social networking site. I would care less what they are doing.

But that was entirely her choice. If she wanted to do NASCAR she should have made that clear to Andretti and told him she was outta IRL and going to Nationwide to ply her trade and eventually get into the main series.

Instead she's tried to have her cake and eat it ruining her chances to do well in IRL (if she could) and not really aiding development in stock cars.

Plus I bet if you gave Montoya her IRL car he'd be doing a hell of a lot better, assuming he could fit ;)

[Mark in Oshawa]

Give the girl a break. She is going from 1 car to the other 1 from week to the next. I think she is doing a fine job.

I follow her on twitter, Danica is also big on fashion too, and what I want to know is that if you dont like someone, why do you follow them on twitter ?? Most people, myself included, if they didnt like someone they sure wouldnt be following them on twitter or any other social networking site. I would care less what they are doing.

DF, I appreciate your like for the lady, but you have to grasp a few salient facts:

1) As it was pointed out, she is making this choice. I of the opinion had she stayed in the IRL and worked 100% of her mental focus on learning, she could be a decent driver in the IRL, That said, she didn't.


2)You follow her on Twitter. That's great. How many tweets in a week are actually about racing if she isn't at the track after practice or whatever. Mid week, what is she going on about? Not racing. FASHION, THIS...THAT....and I suppose most of the drivers have other interests, but you NEVER, EVER hear of Danica hanging with the engineers, the mechanics or other drivers discussing setups, learning the nuts and bolts of knowledge a driver needs to have to be a success. She doesn't do this stuff DF....and it is showing in her results.


3)Danica's high dislike quotient is coming from constant attitude that she is above those she races with. Many of her detractors on this thread and others all support drivers like Sarah Fisher and Simona DiSilvestro. I used to support a local driver who ran sportscars up here; Terry McDonald-Cadieux. Terry is Randy McDonald's sister (Randy owns a NW team now) and Terry was all about racing when she was the track. She is a great looking lady, but she would be elbows deep working the car if she had to be on a weekend. Sarah Fisher I have no doubts would do the same. Simona may not have, but I suspect would do so if asked. Danica????? You kidding me? She might break a nail!
Danica has never once given the knowledgeable race fan that she would rather eat glass than NOT race like ladies like Sarah and Simona or my friend Terry.


4) the hype of the Danica brand is the last factor that is creating this issue. All the threads on here with Danica usually refer to ESPN's more rampant cheerleading, but the Fox guys on Speed did their share of it too. We don't need to be sold on a great driver, yet the media has spent gallons of ink and miles of tape telling us all about Danica. Sorry, Danica's dismal finishes in the last 6 months proves she isn't worthy of this attention.

So there will not be a giving the girl a break. I am sorry you can take it personally but it is what it is. You are a fan, and I get that, even if I don't "get" it if you catch my drift.

I grew up on racing, seeing my first race as a 6 year old (and the Canadian GP at THAT) and spent 25 years timing and scoring it as an official. I have seen the rise of women in racing, and I have always been a fan of the ones who want to be in the sport and pay their dues. The car doesn't care what sex you are, it only requires that it be treated with respect, and be set up, maintained and tuned properly to go fast. Danica is more about the show than the substance and That is why she doesn't get my respect, or the respect of most knowledegable racing fans....

The sad reality is, Danica may well have some talent in there somewhere, it manifests itself at places like Indy, but she wont pay the price to do what it takes to be a success at the race track.

[Jag_Warrior]

I don't feel the least bit sorry for JR Motorsports... or Andretti Autosports. Both organizations have either signed or stuck with a media created "racing star" in order to get the checks she brings. It's no different than when F1 teams (including Williams) would take on some hack Japanese driver in order to get free engines or a fat check from Honda or Toyota. As Williams GP found out, deals with the devil seldom end with everybody smiling.

From what I've read about Danica, while she seems to believe a lot of her own press, she's also laughing all the way to the bank as people hammer her now. Her management team probably knows what they've actually got: a mid talent in the IRL and a no talent in NASCAR. But as long as they can run this out a bit longer, they can collect some fat management fees for themselves and a fat paycheck for The Danica for several more years to come.

The sad thing is that some real fans of the Nationwide series may get turned off by all of the Danicamania hype and stop watching. I think that's part of the IRL's (and Indy's) problem. When someone that doesn't know what the switches on her car does, and is finishing 2-5 laps down, gets as much press as the person who wins the race, if I was a fan, I probably wouldn't be for long. I do like the truck series, but I'm basically just watching Nationwide for sh__s & giggles... at Danica's expense. I'll go away when she does. But I wonder how many real fans are getting turned off already?

[harvick#1]

why are we still caring!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

we all know Danica is average at best, thats just the way it is, if super stalker wants to continue thinkin she is amazing, let him. who really cares, just look at the results and finishes and just laugh, its actually a good stress reliever :laugh:

[TURN3]

A day of truth surrounding Danica always puts a smile on my face! Today is one of those days! :cool:

[beachbum]

But I wonder how many real fans are getting turned off already?Quite a few I suspect. The NASCAR forums are not exactly giddy with excitement.

I once watched Nationwide whenever I could (I like all racing), but when the anointed one is in the field, I use the mute button and often switch to something interesting, like golf.

I can finally watch the IRL again most of the time because they don't pay much attention to her. Still the poor mute button gets a workout.